Michael Ruppert

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03:33I wish I could say it without irony. The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. Just to clear things up, there's a lot of people in the MMA world that are saying "Hey man, Nick Diaz no-showed to a match with Braulio Estima. They were supposed to have a jujitsu super fight and Nick Diaz no-showed." And they said, "Are you going to take him off your opening your podcast?" And I was like, "How dare you? How dare you suggest that I would ever take Nick Diaz off the opening of my podcast? That was one of the greatest greatest moments of my life, sir." I love it. It's my one of my favorite parts. And I don't know why he no-showed. I'm sure he had his reasons, you know? I don't I don't know what the happened behind the scenes. I don't know who pissed him off. You can't piss that dude off. All right? If you want If you want that dude to fight, everything

04:23has to be smooth as silk. Like the UFC, there's no everything's handled, every everybody's smooth and professional and it goes off without a hitch and he has no problems with anybody. But you can't be pissing that dude off and then expecting him to show up. He'll just He'll just vanish on you. What was there Was there some controversy? Like was there a reason that he got pissed off? a weight issue, apparently. They were supposed to fight at They were supposed to weigh in at 180 lb, 185 lb the day of the match. Like he had two weigh-ins. And apparently Braulio Estima didn't know this and then he he weighed in in the morning. He lost the weight. He had to cut weight. He had to cut like 9 lb. So he cut the weight. in the morning and then he then he rehydrated. And but the confusion of him not being on weight or not knowing what the weight is or when to weigh in, it's real That's That's

05:10where it gets confusing because it's it seems like it's the fault of the organizers. It seems like there was there's a a big confusion as to like when this was all supposed to go down. And then of course with Nick Diaz, like I said, you can't piss him off. If you piss him off, he's just not to show up, you know? And they they up in that regard. They should have had everything working nice and smooth. But I don't you know, I you can't excuse it. It was a I would have loved to seen it, man. Nick is a bad you know? And for him to have the kind of confidence to get in there with Braulio Estima. Braulio is one of the two or three best jujitsu guys in the world. I mean, he's amazing. And as a pure grappler, I mean, he taps out other amazing pure grapplers. Very smart guy, you know? And you know, it's it sucks for him more than anything cuz you know, he came over

05:59here from England for this. This is like a a big moment for him as a representative of the best jujitsu that's currently available to have a grappling match against what is a representative of the best, you know, martial artist, mixed martial arts we have available. I mean, Nick Diaz is in the elite of the elite, you know? He's right up there with the top guys in the world as far as MMA is concerned. As is Braulio in jujitsu. And so that would be so fascinating to see them go at it. And it sucks that it didn't work out. I I don't know why it didn't work out. But uh It seems like that all these guys have weight issues. So like that's a huge problem. Why don't they just have like like four girls on staff that just have to like focus on weight issues? They seem like they would be pros at that. Well, they won't you know, you got to leave that up to a fighter, you

06:41know? And this is this is a different sort of situation because there was a lot of confusion apparently as to when they were supposed to weigh in and different people like Nick Diaz weighed in one day and Braulio weighed in the morning of the next day. So there's obvious confusion. I don't I don't know exactly what happened. You would have to sit both guys down and sort of piece the argument out, but it sucks. I was just trying to get Nick Diaz to have some girls on staff. I was just trying to help the guy out. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Rupert's here and he's going to get down to the bottom of things. I am. Michael Rupert's been I am. I've I've heard that fox magic is particularly strong this type of month. Fox magic been working since the month, yeah. Fox magic is it's working. Fox magic been magicking all over the place lately. Yeah, yeah. But as far as

07:28what's going on, that's what I came down here to find out. I had to talk to you to figure out. I don't know if I have any answers for you, sir. I have a feeling anything that will be coming out of my mouth is pure speculation. Good. But from someone who's completely unqualified. Well, let's speculate all over the place. Well, you don't just a ton of shit's going on. And there've been some major changes and every and and as far as my life goes, things are changing for the good all over the place. I've left Collapse Net. Um Now, explain for the folks who are uninitiated, what is Collapse Net? Collapse Network, uh collapse net.com, not collapse.net. Uh it's it's a it's a company we started 2 years ago uh after the movie the doc Collapse came out. And it its purpose was to help people to prepare for the collapse of human industrial civilization, which is well underway right now. And uh

08:25over the 2 years we've grown to 60 members in 68 countries and we got really busy. We specialize in bringing uh really accurate news reports from all over the world that gives a real picture and telling people what's really going on, but also connecting them through a directory uh with 1,600 handpicked entries. That's free, the Lighthouse directory for. So you it's the lights are just going on. Maybe it's a good idea to grow food or maybe there's going to be more blackouts or maybe this that. So how and a lot of work has been done over the course of a couple of decades by a lot of people. So we bring all that data together so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. And then we bring a lot of great feature writers and stuff. So um it got to be big and we had some big challenges. We got massively cyber attacked this year. Man, they just Oh, they just laid into us twice

09:14this year and we had some big struggles, but the way it the way it all evolved and one of my lines is like evolve or perish, you know? Grow up or die. And one of my big spiritual lessons now is about letting go. It's not It's you know, it's letting go that really gives me more options. And so anyway, Isn't it funny that you figured it out like later in life? Everybody does. Oh yeah. When you're young, it's like the big problem. I spent 21 years in 12 step and and I lived that program. So letting go came to be something you practice when confronted with, you know, So letting go of Collapse Net turned out to be perfect. I gave the ownership back to the you know, and out completely, but now they don't have to pay my salary and they're all on their own and they're just so energized and they're just so on fire. And now I get to step back a little bit cuz I'm a tired

10:09You know, I've been at this a long time. Do you ever put nice stories on like happy stories? Like someone found a box of kittens and they were purring and they all of them had beautiful smiles and everybody went home and they had a great day and the new episode of Game of Thrones was on and we watched it and it was awesome. And they had Fox magic. Here's you What kind of music is that, Brian? It's Fox magic song. Oh, okay. Okay. We have a we have a a sound for it now. Um do you think uh it's possible that civilization won't collapse? Is it possible that we're just stumbling and that we'll uh we'll balance out? Is that possible? Absolutely, totally. That's one of the reasons why I'm going through this big change. I mean, we not only did I in in in two books and the movie and everything else kind of predict all of this stuff based upon a model that said that that means

10:59civilization is collapsing. So, if you see these symptoms, there's a pretty good chance that's what the disease is. Uh but now just recently, Fukushima is so totally out of control. Reactor number two is so hot that any robots they send to the reactor get fried. And and so they can't get into work on this melted core that's lying at the bottom. And and and then they said no machines that can handle that radiation have even been designed yet. Oh, okay. That leaves a reactor two out, building four with all the rock That's I think it's amazing that someone made nuclear reactors in the first place. I think it's amazing. You know, I I did a joke about it in my act, but it it really is fascinating that you you can build something like that that you can't shut off. That someone allowed them to build something like that where in some unmeasurable event where the

11:52power gets shut off and can't get back on in time, it's forever. There are 450 more reactors around. San Onofre just had a major uh breakdown. Where's that? That's in San Clemente on the way to San Diego. Really? And They had a major something? What did It's down all season. So, you guys in Los Angeles are going to be having some some humongous blackouts this summer. Really? And brownouts. Yeah. I'm surprised See, we had that on CollapseNet, but they hide it from you in the mainstream news here. That's why CollapseNet so good at what we do. Whoa. So, because of the What's wrong with the reactor? That's the one that you see when you drive down to San Diego. two at San Onofre right by Camp Pendleton on It's so it's it's a weird feeling to drive by and see a nuclear reactor. Reactor two, there was problems with the cooling pipes and then I think they were

12:41checking another reactor G the X-ray showed some faulty piping, but now so so so the the reactor is offline indefinitely. It is such a stupid idea. The idea that you can make something you can never shut off. That that that you would do that. That's so arrogant. It's so incredibly arrogant because if it up and people like, "Well, most of the time it's clean and safe." What are you banking on? If you look at the permanence of any with a massive amount of time it takes before that area is not deadly to to go near. If you look at the that's we're talking about thousands of years. Japan is dead. Japan is mortally wounded and I've been saying so in and it's clear. Japan's economy is imploding. They they they are now a net importer. Their debt is like 280% of GD and How are they getting their power now? Ah, very good question. Japan has replaced uh Was that a Japanese impression, by the

13:49way? No, I can do better one if you want. Oh, don't forget. Don't do that. Okay. So, Japan was What happened? Um what They're running emergency diesel uh widely uh which is uh diesel's a whole separate issue worldwide. But they're running diesel. They're burning now fuel oil and and and coal oil which excuse me, two grades of oil, but and they're importing liquefied natural gas. Now, that's where you build this 450 million dollar floating gigantic bomb of liquefied natural gas and you float it across and you know, one of those things would is almost the size of an atom bomb if it goes off, you know. So, this is energy desperation, but when and when you talk about diesel, you know, don't buy diesel now and here's why diesel shortage all over the world. In India, they got 30,000 generators to to to handle blackouts at the Taj Mahal. And and the city that's around there. We ran

14:55that story twice on on CollapseNet. And there's so many blackouts in India and Pakistan, they're all burning diesel and they're short of coal. I mean, it's happening all around the world right now, but diesel's in really short supply. What are they going to do with all these nuclear power plants? They can't shut them down, right? There's no way you can you can't like it's not you can't shut it off. Well, if you combine that, let me just take you a little bit further ahead to where the point of all this is going, okay? Because from four different directions, they ain't going to shut the nuclear power plants off. They can't control what they got. Uh and because electricity is industrial civilization. You don't have industrial civilization seems so ridiculous to put something like that in an area where it's close to humans. It's it seems the idea that you can completely contain that insane

15:46amount of energy. It's like it's so arrogant. Okay. That that's one prong of a fork. Yeah. Fukushima. Here's the second prong. One of the AIDS No. What happened AIDS? AIDS just petered out. AIDS came out of the gate like Tyson. You know, AIDS was killing people left and right, but now you hardly hear about AIDS anymore. It's the best diet in Hollywood right now. Yeah. It also generates a lot of medical money in the in the medical business. ever read like that Peter Duesberg stuff? Uh long time ago. Yeah. He's the guy he's the biologist from the University of California, Berkeley and his claim is something along the lines of that HIV is like a weak virus. I may be paraphrasing here and that when you're seeing it in people, most likely it's because they have a weakened immune system that in order a strong healthy immune system fights off HIV fairly easily. That it's not the culprit of

16:37AIDS, but rather a symptom of an a depleted immune system that's from a variety of different things. And you know, it it's a it's a crazy argument because if it's true, it's like how could this only this guy be figuring that out? This one biologist and all these other guys, they haven't noticed that. I don't trust Is that tricky? I don't trust any of the science behind But is that impossible? That's that's not possible though, right? I mean, it's not possible that that AIDS is a hoax. That's not possible. Oh, it it is definitely possible that it was man-made. Right, but it's a real disease, right? possible that that it was intentionally released. You really you think you feel like that? Yeah, I've seen This was goes way way back to like the '90s when I saw these, but these were WHO documents showing the first outbreak of AIDS. Uh and and no and superimposed were WHO

17:26vaccination programs and there was a like a perfect match. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I don't Yeah, obviously I'm no biologist, but I don't see how one guy could be out there saying something like that and all of his peers disagree. I mean, is that how it works? I mean, obviously people think that HIV causes AIDS. But in this guy's mind, he's like these people were all doing I think it's it's that it was drug abuse and you know, partying and he was that's what he was attributing to their their depleted states. That they were doing like crystal meth and poppers and amyl nitrate and stuff and that apparently is immune were doing. big in the '70s when I mean when I was a cop, I ran into amyl on the street. What were they What they do? Just pop it and then they smell it or something like that? Uh I'll Sam Kinison had a bit about it. story of the funniest dead body I have

18:20ever seen in my life. You want to hear the funniest dead body I've ever seen in my life? Yes. All right. And this is I swear this is true. I was working Wilshire Division and I was a P3. I had two stripes. And every Christmas, cops from one division will go cover for another division when it has its Christmas party, you know? So, we were covering for Hollywood Division's Christmas party. So, I'm I'm driving up around in Hollywood and we get a call 6842 meet the RA dead body such and such address and maybe on Cherokee some. So, the RA is a rescue ambulance. So, we pull up and it's a it's a three-story standard California really bare-bones interior courtyard open about, you know, balconies. And it's up on the third floor and and so me and my partner, we go walking down and I notice that the paramedics are just outside laughing their asses off. They're down on their knees. They're

19:15laughing so hard, okay? And I'm going Okay, guys, this is the dead body call, right? They go, "Yeah." And I said, "What?" They point and I said I I go in. And there's this dead guy on the floor. And he was I would say young 20-ish light-skinned African-American guy um in a Frederick's of Hollywood negligee. Hollar. And and he was laying on the floor and and kind of spread eagle and I looked and there is a broomstick pool protruding from you know where, okay? But there's only about a foot of it protruding from you know where. And and uh so uh the table had been pushed up against the it was easy to figure it. He I guess this was before a man could buy a sex toy or something, I don't know. But he had been up masturbating on the table with the broom and the purpose of the amyl was to strike it right as you come. Right. But what it does is it gives you an involuntary back spasm.

20:25And Oh my god. That's my amyl nitrate story. And the broomstick went up his ass and killed him. He looked satisfied. What a what a way to go, man. Yeah, there's been a bunch of dudes that have gone um asphyxiation style, right? That's like the INXS guy. Um And that's actually David Carradine. Yeah. That's actually cuz like the a real guy would do it the other way with the broom coming at you from like the bristle part side. That's that's the real way to do it. Wow, like a man. Yeah, like a man. West Hollywood That's how like I'm talking gay gay Samoans handle it. That's how you right of passage. You got to use a broom the other way. Humor was good. But you Yeah, that's a dumb way to die. Do you think I one of the things I heard is like the the big uh ho the big uh conspiracy would be that if you wanted to shame a person, you would kill them and make it look like

21:26they had died masturbating like an idiot. I mean, that's like in couple NWA songs, you know. then just leave a bunch of gay porns around. Like That would that would be the ultimate joke if you found your buddy dead. You're like, all right, he's dead. So, listen, there's nothing I can do about that, but what I can do is put his dick in his hand and put a bunch of gay porns all around him and then take pictures of him and then put it online and let's cold you the last I got the last one, I got the last one. Come on, that would be high hilarious to Like with lipstick on and Like cuz if you knew, you know, if you knew that guy and you loved him and it's like the one last joke you can get out of him. That's so up. It's so up. It's so up, but it would be hilarious. You got to have a good sense of humor. Come on, man, it's hilarious. All right. I remember that.

22:15think that you remember that. Yeah, I remember that too, That sucks. Why do you even release that into the that There's already photos of you out there with dicks in your hand and your mouth and and that's the golden rule of the internet. imagine a real life conspiracy against you. Neo's back. Oh, Neo, it's not real. Michael Ruppert went with the sunglasses on. That's when he's going to get deep. Isn't that a weird thing like that that's a cool guy thing to wear your sunglasses? Isn't that a weird weird thing? I'll tell you one thing. that new meme with the sunglasses come down and you go do do do do do deal with it. I love it. What is what is that? Where did it come from? Where did it I love it too, man. Where did it originate? I don't know. What is that from? I don't know. The deal with it it's everywhere though. I see it all the all over the place. Sunglasses drop

22:59down, deal with it. It's beautiful. But how did sunglasses get to be I don't even know what that means. I think what that means is whatever, you know, you have issue with, why don't you just deal with it and leave me alone. Okay. You know, deal with it. Get out of my face. Well, he's a cool guy. He's got his sunglasses on. Like he's just super cool. Yeah. Well, how why how does that make you cool? Well, how did sunglasses become something that makes you cool? Because you look different. You have your eyes or you look like now you look like a a fly. You look like a bug. And and you know, I've been wearing wearing sunglasses right there. Those are actually pretty dope. These record HD. No, these record HD. But those are Oakleys, right? No. No, they're not? No, they're just they're video camera glasses. That is amazing. That's HD. What a world we live in. Yeah.

23:47How long before you get a chip in your eyeball that just does that? You don't have to have like 7 days Well, well that's probably going to be we're going to be inserting into our bodies eventually. They're going to give you something that just works way better. Like this all you need is this one little microprocessor in your body and you will never have a disease again. Yeah. It's just being you have like this microprocessor that regulates your body. They put it right in your pituitary gland and it regulates your body like a little micro messenger. And then that shit's going to start getting viruses. But every 10 years they have to give you brain surgery and open it up to change the battery. What do you think? Yeah. Yeah, but imagine if that that computer Hey Joe, imagine that computer inside you. That computer inside you fixes all the disease and all the And then

24:27that computer gets a virus. That computer gets a virus and then so you have to start making medicine to help that computer. So, you put more inside that computer. And it gets a virus and it turns you gay. Yeah. Imagine that. They had a virus and all of a sudden you just could not stop your gay urges. That that would probably be the first thing virus, right? The gay What if John Travolta had that and all this time people are just being mean to him and they don't know that he has a disease. He has a a genetically designed like a disease from like the Russians maybe. If you know, if you wanted to do that, make some like super aggressively gay. The government has worked on this, right? This is not a joke. Michael Ruppert would back me up. Remember in during Iraq, they were they were trying to figure out how to make a gay bomb. This is not a joke. They have using God's own

25:12pretty much guarantee that with all of the hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars that the black ops community has had to work with in the secret budget all these years, they have tried every stupid thing in the world you could think of. This this idea was that they were going to be able to spray something down like something blows up over these guys. It sprays all over them and it makes them gay. I mean, they were really like looking into the possibility of that. They thought it would like demoralize them. Did they ever hear about the Greeks and the Romans? Yeah. Some of the greatest soldiers of all time, they were boning each other constantly. Yeah. The samurais boned each other too. Dudes boned dudes back then and they were cutting heads off every day. It was a it was a wild time. You know, you can't think that, you know, making these people gay is going to it might make

25:59make them better fighters. They're going to fight for their boyfriend now. That'll you up, man. That's what the system does with pretty much everything. It takes something and it bends it. It twists it so that you accept a way to look at it that is a basic fundamental lie anyway. Yeah. You know, I don't think gay or non-gay has to do with how good a warrior you are. Exactly. You know. There's a lot of gay dudes who can beat the out of you. No doubt about it. kicked once by a dyke as a cop. What? I did. Yeah. I mean, Christ, she was 6'2" and she could bench like 260 or something. god. Did you underestimate her? Did she charge you? Like what happened? It was we just called it was a 415 fight at a bar and it was What what does 415 mean? That's a place called for disturbance, you know. Is 420 really pot? No. That that had nothing to do with police No? What is that? That's a that's a

26:48colloquialism. It's it's it's it's a native you know, but as far as LAPD, no, I never heard of 420. How did 420 become pot? Anybody? There's probably a good history behind that. It might be a code in some county in northern California. Okay, so I'm sorry. So, a 415 comes out. You go to visit. It's it's a it's a lesbian bar. We go in and you know, and there's a fight and you know, she and she she was fighting somebody else and I go to step in and she and she I'm going what went flying back across the room. Man, you got to be really careful cuz big women can knock you the out. That's that's for for real. There's some big women out there that can knock you the out. I know a chick that's only like 130 plus pounds, maybe like 140, my friend Tommy Jr.'s girlfriend, Katie. And she can punch a hole in your face, man. This chick knows how to punch. Like and she's a strong girl.

27:39There's girls out there that can you up. You got to be careful. Especially if they sucker punch you. Oh, that's terrible. There's a great video though of some who's yelling and screaming at this woman and she grabs him by the collars and headbutts him and knocks him unconscious. It was a like a security camera in front of a bar. The guy was just being a drunk douchebag and the girl it it was the girl was badass, man. She was like a character in a movie. I mean, she wasn't a big girl, but she grabs him by the collar and just headbutts him right in the chin and the dude goes out. It was hilarious. Yeah, it's a beautiful video. Have you ever seen it, Brian? Pull it up because it's it's there's not even any audio. It's uh probably girl headbutts guy KO. Yeah, maybe. I don't know why I'm asking you to find it. It's probably a billion of those, right? How many how many

28:26videos online there are about girls headbutting a guy and knocking them out? Uh I can find it. Well, you know, I am the only guy in the history of the Los Angeles Police Department. No, this isn't it, man. to have been bitten in the left testicle in the line of duty. Really? Oh, Jesus. The only guy ever? Was it a slow bite? Is cuz you right had your hand on it and you were massaging it and you were No. No. No. Why why did someone bite your ball? Uh we got a call this was in a day when angel dust was on the street. PCP Oh my god, it's the worst thing I've ever seen drug I've ever seen in my life. What is what is the effects for the un unwashed masses? Oh my god. Well, uh it it was supposed to be it was designed as an elephant tranquilizer. That ain't the way it works in humans. It's it's a it's it's a powerful hallucinogenic, but it gives people a feeling of superhuman strength and they

29:18have it. They they display it. You got a real thin sheen of perspiration and you get this glassy eye look just like this. And That's how I look all the time. And and and and these guys would, you know, throw five or six cops around. They would pull fire stupid strength things and quite frequently they had to be shot cuz the there was just they wouldn't stop. Um I have a friend who got his finger bitten off when he was on PCP. So so we got a call a Wilshire sergeant was requesting a backup. It was just south of the station, south of La Brea and Venice there, a few blocks. And we go rolling up and here's this sergeant Tim Wright was 6'5". He's just backed into a corner in this apartment. And here's this little bitty black guy about 5'8" like Sammy Davis Jr. But he's holding like a 35-in color console television set above his head. Those things were heavy. I mean, he's

30:12And right away you know it was it was done. And and and I was I was known as the fire sergeant sergeant says, "Rupert, get him." So, like five of us went in there and you know, it was just like one of the cartoon melee things. Oh god. We finally got him handcuffed and then flexicuffed around his ankles, you know, the the plastic cuffs. Called an ambulance, put him on the gurney, two canvas straps on the gurney, one over like torso and one over thighs or knees. Mhm. All right. So, we figure we got him. We take him out to the ambulance. Now, I stand up, but you know, when you're lifting the gurney to raise it into the ambulance, you pull it up to Oh no. Oh no. So, he broke Oh my god. He broke the canvas strap over his legs. Oh my god. And everybody went back to his legs and then went wow, he went like that. Oh my god, he bit your ball sack. Holy How What is the

31:11recovery on something like that? Well, I it hurt a lot. Nothing was damaged, but the fear Jesus. It must have been horrific. Like just like looking down for your first time. Like hoping hoping it's Yeah. It must have been horrific. Yeah, so yeah. I I wound up having the nickname of Inspector Clouseau. Not now, okay, though, you know. I got need in the dick once in jujitsu and I didn't know how bad it was. It was before I used to wear a cup. Now I wear a cup. Smart man. Yeah, and I didn't realize how bad it was till after I was done training. It hurt like hell, but I I figured it's just me being a cuz I got hit in the dick, you know, you're like, "Oh my poor dick." And that's how you think like it's like it's extra sensitive. It's my baby. Are you wearing a dickie? I wasn't wearing anything. I was wearing a jockstrap. And then deep down I mean, I was wearing

32:01clothes. I should kind of wrestling you doing, boy? And my friend Einstein was passing my guard and he slammed his knee and you know, he's trying to pass his knee through my legs and he just miscalculated and caught my dick and I didn't realize how bad it was until I was taking a leak after training and blood was all over my jockstrap. My jockstrap was like filled with blood. I was like, "Oh great, my dick's bleeding. This is awesome." So, like a I didn't even go to the doctor. Instead, what I did was I went to see if I could beat off. I'm like, "Well, if I could beat off, my dick has to be good. It can't be broken if I could beat off." And I I beat off successfully and it wouldn't even hurt that much. And when I came it was like blood and together like I like I had a chicken like a little chicken egg. So, I said, "All right, well, let's see if this heals up. If it feels even a little

32:50bit funny tomorrow, I'm going to the doctor." So, I peed blood for like two or three more days, but I felt great. So, not it didn't didn't I was just checking for any information or feeling of irritation or I think, you know, you just heal up. I like It's like would I go to the doctor if if I did that with my nose? And I'm The answer was no. I would just I've done it with my nose a hundred times. I would just drink a lot of orange juice and try to make orange pee or you know what I mean? Try to make lemonade. Yeah. It would be like pink lemonade. No, but seriously, that's something that you probably you probably didn't want to get it checked out cuz you didn't want them to like have to put something in your penis hole or something like that. No, I didn't want to be I didn't want to be a I mean, if I if it was my ear, I wouldn't go to the doctor. If it was my

33:32nose, I'm Why am I going to the doctor if it's my dick? I wouldn't want to go to the doctor if it's like infected. What are they going to do? How are they going to fix it? What are they going to do? They're going to put a splint on it? Like Joey Diaz take two popsicle sticks and send it back in like a wounded soldier. Um I don't I don't know what the they would do. I It was nothing wrong with it. It was just hurt, you know what I mean? Just needed to heal up. But if it was hurt if it was more than that, I would have noticed after a while. I would have felt I was pretty sensitive. That's a great physical metaphor for what happens emotionally a few times in your life. When you get kicked in the dick, yeah, you you heal up hopefully. Yeah, you heal up hopefully. That's a good physical metaphor for that. Yeah, it's very difficult for people to accept the idea that sometimes

34:15people don't want to be around them, you know, and that some people aren't meant for each other. Their personalities clash and that some people have different ideas. It's very difficult to find someone that you can hang with for any long period of time. We just got to learn to be nicer about the whole process, you know? It's the getting kicked in the dick emotionally. You got to figure out how to Don't worry, we'll put some ice medicine on that for you. You know, I had a party recently at my house, a little kids party and a couple friends came over including two friends that are exes. They're ex-boyfriend and girlfriend, married to different people now, but still great friends. And it's so cool to see that when people can can act like that and keep can actually really be close friends. Like their kids play together, they go out to dinner together, you know, they they go on

35:03double dates together. They're genuinely friends. So, it's it is possible, but god damn for the most part, most of them end up like like those air shows where they touch wings and just go into the crowd in a ball of fire. Well, you ever go to an air show, man? You ever go to an air show? I yeah, I I grew up in an Air Force family. And I've been to quite a few. Have you ever seen a wreck like that? No. Thank god. What what kind of jets did you fly in? I didn't. My father did. You've never been in one? Not not in a fighter jet, no. I did I did a thing for the Blue Angels. They would take celebrities up and we went to Yeah, we went 7.5 Gs. Yeah, and they don't wear suits, either, man. You know, when they do their they don't like there's most places they wear like some sort of a compression suit that allows you to deal with the pressure, but they don't they don't wear them.

35:56They they just do it all with their their body. You know, they have to be like really in shape. Yeah, all kinds of crazy man, gymnastics, lifting weights. You have to like really strengthen your body just to deal with the G forces. incredible, man. The feeling is it's amazing how much pressure it is. When you realize that like going fast doesn't just it doesn't come free. Like you if you want to really go that fast, you have to move your body in a way that it's completely unaccustomed to moving through the universe. Like the amount of pressure that comes from that kind of speed, it's like monumental. It's hard to even wrap your head around. Dude, 7.5 Gs is insane and it feels like consciousness feel literally feels like an elevator door. You could see black on each side. It's It's a crazy feeling, man. But when they wreck, they wreck hard. I remember

36:48my my dad was a radar intercept officer in F-89s and F-90s. That's those are two-seat interceptors. He used to fly up over the North Pole waiting for the Russians to attack during the Korean War. That was his mission. And he saw a few UFOs and some strange things. Anyway, but so the worst that did and it was all Air Force. So, it was in late '70s, early '80s, the the Thunderbirds the were were doing a a five formation loop ground loop and something went off and all five flew straight into the ground simultaneously. And that was like that was just go my god. Oh my god. Holy that's crazy. You know. What happened? How the does that happen? Something I'm not going to say. It wasn't a combination of pilot error and mechanical failure cuz everybody follows the lead. Nobody else is paying any attention to anything except the lead. Oh my god, that's so crazy. That is so crazy. Yeah.

37:59That's hard to even think about. That's one of those things that's hard to wrap your head around, you know, what that must have been like to be a part of and know that it's happening like right before the plane hits the ground. Yeah. They didn't even you know, they they might have had a microsecond to know. The guy that took me on the Blue Angels flight was a bad I wish I could remember his name. I have it at home. It's on a a signed photo. But we went through these canyons and we were going it was so fast. It was ridiculous. And we're only like a couple hundred feet off the ground. And it just And you realize what those things can do. And just think about if you were on the ground and one of those was looking for you. Holy Goddamn, that's scary. One of those fighter jets looking for you while you're on the ground would have to be one of the most frightening

38:48things ever. Well, they fly too fast. I mean, this is this is where I have some expertise because of the life I've led hanging with some green beanie guys and you know, They can't see anything. They fly too fast. They fly too fast. So, you need helicopters. Yeah, well, you you would want a a helo with a fleer. Forward-looking infrared radar for night. That's a third-gen night vision where where you can pick out the heat moving very easily. Could they use like a blimp or something? Just float it up above the sky and get a big view of the sky. They're doing all that They really They're They got little microcopters and they they got all the money. It's like Jack Nicholson in Batman. Where do they get all the toys, you know? They just That's what they do. Why do they feel like they have to control things so much? Why is that? Why is there have to be so many so much

39:37resources spent on this aspect of society? It's the infinite growth monetary paradigm, but it's also uh people who who have control, if you will. We Some will call them the powers that be. I'm getting to call them the powers that were because they're failing monumentally. Uh but they must maintain control. Uh otherwise, all of the crimes that have been committed for eons will come starkly clear to a lot of people all at once. Uh That's like the awakening of the hundredth monkey. Like, holy We We human beings really have been farmed by the that expression, the awakening of the hundredth monkey? Cuz I've heard it more than once. Well, that was in uh That was in uh the doc uh collapse and and it it after the Second World War um and they were playing with the atom bombs, they wanted to uh see how long it would take to repopulate an island. So, they went back to this island and uh

40:364 5 years after and then they introduced trees and they got things growing. Then then they brought in like 10,000 monkeys to see how they would survive. Uh there was enough for everything, but the the coconuts were slightly radioactive on the husks. So, the safe way to eat the coconut was to wash it in the stream. And they taught like 10 monkeys to wash the coconut. And you know, so they and then then other monkeys looking and pretty soon there's 15 and then 47 and then 200 or excuse me, uh you know, 88. But when they reached the hundredth monkey, all 10,000 got it all at once. Everybody just went, "Oh, yeah. Okay." So, then they all started washing the the coconuts. Yeah, and and that's a that's a parable about You didn't tell me this story the last time you were here, what did you? No. No, it was in the movie. That's what it was. Okay. Um but uh so, uh

41:32a metaphor that's a parable about a radical shift in consciousness. And right now, a radical shift in human consciousness is the only thing that can possibly save us. Mhm. And there's a part of me for all of the stuff that I've done bringing the bad news, uh which was my mission. That was my duty for like 30 years. Was like to warn. And now this now the fox medicine spiritual message says, "They've had all the warnings they're going to get." But now I I'm also very aware that this change of consciousness is happening. And and and I'm seeing enormously encouraging signs of that. One day, we won't have to think about how we suddenly try to get governments to be honest or you know, you you One day, listen, this government right now, one day is going to be embarrassing. It's going to be embarrassing. They're going to look back. It is. I agree. All of them have been. It's We're going to

42:26look back on this time with shame. Because the people that are running this country, this very small percentage of the people, they're not going to be able to maintain it. It's just this too There's too much access to information these days. It's not the same animal as it was when this whole monster was created. If you look, Joe, um anywhere in the world, every government is failing. There is not a government anywhere in the world that's succeeding. Because the way they're set up is ridiculous. The whole thing is ridiculous. And after a while, people just they they can't take the inequity of it. They just The people snap everywhere. They This even this one, the best one there is. Without a doubt, I think America's the best setup there is. I love it here. It's the greatest country in the world, but god damn it could be better. It could be better by a

43:10millionfold. It could easily be better. I don't think America can be fixed. That doesn't mean that I'm an American. What I mean is I think the United States of America as it's operating now is not fixable. Well, it's set up on a financial system. That's that's a real big part of it. It's utterly corrupt. I'm Thomas Jefferson here. I'm I'm I'm saying this Thomas Jefferson said you need a rev rev revolution every generation. Have you ever thought about just moving to Hawaii and saying, "Fuck you." Have you ever thought about doing that? No. No, I I spent 4 months in Venezuela. That was a an unusual story, but no, I'm I'm where I'm I'm up in Northern California. That's where I'm staying. Staying? Yeah. Till the asteroid comes. I'm planting my ass in there. They're going to have to come with a bulldozer to take me out of there. Wow. You're out there making it happen, dude. Well, I think

44:01sure that this is all going to fall apart, though? It is falling apart. the What are the But what is the possibility that something can happen that can pull us out of the fire? Something that's going to keep us from The only slamming into the mountain. The only thing that can keep us from slamming into the mountain is for the human race collectively to see it slamming itself into the mountain and decide to do differently. It's got to be a change of consciousness. It is This is not going to be a message written in a letter, put out in a broadcast, put out Everybody's got to get it. I personally think the the internet itself is very psychedelic in the fact that it's responsible for a massive expansion of human consciousness. Not from a a drug form, but from an information form. The fact that you're The access to information is so spectacular and so the the whole viral aspect of it. I think

44:53that that human beings right now This is a This is a very rare time. We're in a balancing act right now. But I think the information that we're getting from the internet is expanding consciousness as much almost as a drug would. You know, as an influx of If you look back on like, you know, 19 between like 1994 and now, what a massive change in our society has come about because of YouTube and Twitter and Facebook and the interconnectedness of society, the massive extent of it. It's so much different than it was. The evolutions of on via the net are amazing. Amazing. But I think that that's going to influence the the way the government works. I think it's going to influence who are the people that are in the positions of power. I think it's slowly going to root out the old. The old system that's in place was all all these were around before the internet. All of them. Except Obama.

45:52The old system Obama, you know, he should have been just a little bit old He's a little bit older than me. So, he was a grown man while the internet came out. And he should have Maybe maybe it was too late for him, too. Maybe maybe it's one more generation after this where they they realize you can't lie anymore because there's new technology that lets you read thoughts. And then everything has to be done transparently. I don't think it's going to take anywhere near that long. This this this old system is going to collapse cuz it will be satisfied with nothing less. It's seeking its own death. It's doing everything to kill itself. Intellectually, anything running this world right now is being defeated. Do you think that's because the current people are greedy and they're just looking out for themselves? They're trying to just score short-term and just

46:30get out cuz that's where the money's at, Michael Ruppert. I think that they're trying good, right? That was good. I think that I think that they're trying to do anything they can to hold on to put what power and what information they have because they do not want the power or the information that they have to be shared and it's a it's a total desperation move and they're going to fail. If I was a doctor for the world and I looked at this problem and I was like, "Hmm, well, I see what you got. This is This is a bunch of that haven't done mushrooms and they're running things." That's what it is. You have a bunch of old greedy heads that are that are just un-psychedelically inclined. They've never had consciousness-expanding experiences. They don't know the beauty and the love that you get from a psychedelic experience with friends where you you realize how much of the way you behave

47:20and live and interact with people is just a insecurity. It's just It's just stupidity. It's nonsense. I'm not sure that I'm not sure that would cure everything, but It would cure it all, baby. I'd like to give 7 billion doses of DMT, you know? Yeah, I think I think it would kill the ego. I mean, that's that's really what what you have to do. There you go. That's the ego. That's the dilemma. That's the issue. The And and that that's why I'm writing a third book now because uh Well, that's why everybody hates a chicken hawk. You know, the idea of someone who wants to send people into battle that's never been in battle themselves. Well, of course you're so confident. Of so course you're so aggressive about this. This is not yours to risk. You know, it's the the the the ego has not You don't understand what war is. If you Maybe if you had been there, you would have a

48:06completely different sort of appreciation of it. You wouldn't be so callous and it wouldn't be such an an easy option. I've I've come to a darker conclusion than that, Joe. And and and that is that these people literally look at us as cattle, expendable cattle that have been farmed for millennia. This is real Orwell. This is This is This is what it really is is all about. Human beings are born and bred to be slaves and consumers to generate wealth. And that's the way it's always been roughly since there was since we started doing money this way. Who are they? Is it a they or is it just a a series of choices that have left us in a situation where people are copying things. You know, with There was a thing we talked about really recently on this show about the Salem witch trials. So, at the Salem witch trials, there was a a woman who wrote a a paper for a history class that

48:57sort of solved one of the major puzzles of the Salem witchcraft trials and it was that um there was an ergot poisoning of food. It was causing people to have uh LSD-type effects and that they thought that this was responsible for the original murders, but then they kept it up as a tradition for years later. Then it became a hysteria. And then even though people weren't even ergot poisoned, it would actually become learned behavior. And I think that in situations like where you have greedy business people and they set up corporations and there's patterns of learned behavior that come about from the way these corporations interact with their consumers and the environments they have their their businesses set up in and that this momentum gets carried away to a point where the greed and the bottom line supersedes human nature. It supersedes the idea that you are a group

49:50of people. And you know, in the documentary the the corporation they went over this that a corporation tends to act as a sociopath. Well, I think we just have to make everyone aware of the accountability of their actions in that situation and remove that. Remove that as a design. Remove that that that diffusion of responsibility that you can get by being a part of a big group that does something really up, but you don't feel responsible cuz you're just one piece. perspective and let me just add that my DM my DMT journey my my cans just went crazy. What did you do to my headphones? What happened? What happened? My cans just went I went into an echo chamber. It's cool. You're all right? You're all right? You hear it now? It's sounding right now? I don't hear anything. Okay. It's Fox magic. Never It's Fox Yeah. That's my That's That's my dog Lance. For the folks listening on iTunes, there

50:43is a photo of him Michael with his dog and he's got the glasses on and it says deal with it. DMT trip His dog has a fox face. That's brilliant. That's very funny, dude. That's That's awesome. It's very funny. DMT trip on the message I want a copy of that. What is his name? DMT trip? DMT DMT_trip. Thank you, buddy. I don't know if you made it, but whatever. What was I talking about? Uh Fox magic? No. That It somehow or another came up. Um what were we talking about? Oh, uh DMT. I approach that very spiritually. I I I do medicine journeys as part of my spiritual practice and and it's very important for me that I always approach medicine with a clear intent and and and it's always to seek and learn something. Uh but You better. Yeah. You better respect that. Yeah, you have to respect psychedelic trips. If you think you're you're the and you can handle it, it'll you up.

51:35No, no. There's a lot of people that I noticed that they don't do that. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of people that Well, listen to man, if you left hammers around, a lot of people are going to use them to build houses. Some people are going to break car windows with them. Some people are just going to hit trees. Some people are of ours it's like it's like they they go do it and go to the UFC and I'm like, man, that's not That's That's That's crazy. Like I I You don't want that. Do you really want that? That's You do if you with Joey Diaz. You do. I would say yes. I would say if you didn't do it, what are you a If you're a real Hunter S. Thompson fan, you're a fan of Hunter S. Thompson and Joey Diaz wants to do mushrooms with you at the UFC, do mushrooms with him. What are you, crazy? I Of course. That's not respecting the spiritual trip to me. it isn't. What a a grand

52:18opportunity that is in life to do mushrooms at the UFC with Joey Diaz. God damn it, that's the best seat in the house. I thought I had the best seat in the house as a commentator, I don't. The best seat in the house is the dude who gets to eat mushrooms next to Joey Diaz at the UFC. Cuz you know how funny Joey Diaz would be on mushrooms? He would himself. It would be a non-stop chuckle fest. Everyone would just be howling laughing and you'd get to watch the UFC at the same time. Sounds like the Sounds like the greatest day on earth. You might have a panic attack. I I I think that it's just too many people. I like I like being with nature. If I'm going to go on any kind of spiritual trip, I want nature. I want to be able to I like how you're talking about spiritual trips where you're smoking a cigarette. a spiritual trip. It's just not as It's a shitty one. It's a tobacco trip.

53:01It is if you're a native. Yeah, sure. Tobacco holds a There's a strong ritual for it. is a part of the ayahuasca ritual for some reason. Like a lot of ayahuascaros, I think that's how they say them, they they they they blow tobacco smoke on people. It's part of the whole thing. Yeah, I mean nicotine or the tobacco in of itself and even nicotine is proven to have some really positive health effects. And there's something about nicotine that actually is like good for your heart. And I don't know some like it's not nicotine that's really the problem. It's like caffeine. Caffeine's not bad if you have just a little bit. If you're you're crazy, you're drinking Red Bulls all day and All right. Check this. I'm I'm 61, okay? I smoke Everybody knows that, okay? My I just had a physical. Resting blood pressure was 60. Blood pulse rate was 60. 60. That's incredible. Resting. That's really good.

53:53Blood pressure was 120 over 70. good shape. Do you do a lot of exercise? Uh That's pretty low. I eat really really really good and and then I exercise as much I'm weed whacking 2 and 1/2 acres now, so that's that's work. That is work. and Yeah, I mean, you know, George Foreman when he was training for fights used to chop wood. It's a well-known fact. You know, it's like real work. Real work is hard work. No That gets you in shape, man. That's a pretty low resting heart rate, though. Yeah, so you know, uh what I'm saying is I'm I'm just real sick of buying into all the propaganda I'm sold about everything. Mhm. Because the way the people that run this world operate is they do it 90% truth and 10% And because you're not trained to separate the the winds up steering you. One of my favorite articles came out during the time that the Patriot Act was administered was It was

54:48on CNN. They were talking about how the CIA has announced that it's going to leak fake news stories in order to uh send terrorists in the wrong direction. And I I I I I remember reading that and I was like, wow, that's like game over. Like they just came out and said, we're going to lie to you. That was That was That was right at the same time that CNN let it be known that the Department of Defense was permanently stationing military intelligence personnel in the CNN newsroom. Well, I screamed about that at From the Wilderness. That was my newsletter for 8 years. We had some great people there. We were just kicking Bush Cheney in the balls every chance we could get. it From the Wilderness? Why did you call it From the Wilderness? Because for my personal story I had, you know, I'd been trying to expose CIA was bringing drugs into the country for like

55:3918 years and nobody would listen to me. Then Gary Webb stories broke and I confronted the CIA director at Locke High School and the game changed a little bit. Uh so I started FTW like a year and a half after I confronted John Deutsch and I was a voice crying in the wilderness, but I was the guy from the wilderness that nobody would listen to and and then, you know, and so that came to stand for over the course of my career many hundreds of people and organizations who were all voices in the wilderness and nobody was listening to. And damn, we got it all right, you know, and there's some just amazing people I've met along the way. It's an interesting name. I remember when I when I first found out about it I was like, what the is What's that? From the Wilderness? I was like, sounds very Unabomber-esque. Sounds like you know, like you're out there staring at the diseased society

56:35out in the distance. Yeah, no, this this was just Hey, you know, pay attention. We We were pretty successful. We got to have 60 members of Congress and we broke the Pat Tillman the whole the whole cover-up with Pat Tillman was was a seven-part series we did at FTW and uh uh that's one of the good things now for me about giving Collapse Net over to the employees. I didn't get a chance to do that with FTW cuz our computers were smashed in the Tillman series. I mean, police falsified reports uh leaked to editors who were having sex with my children and defrauding and they really threw everything but including the kitchen sink at me up in Ashland. Leaked to editors that what? What was that? Uh there was uh my computers were smashed in part five of the Tillman series. That's right when we were nailing Donald Rumsfeld and he was eventually forced to resign.

57:26He He was forced to resign because of the Pat Tillman incident? Yeah. That was what did it? Yeah, he just resigned real suddenly right when Henry Waxman's Committee on Governmental Affairs was getting ready to call him. What was the issue that he had created? He First of all, if you wanted to have a bad guy like a Batman movie that was like a bad government guy that was actually evil, would not Donald Rumsfeld be the perfect guy? Oh, Dick Cheney's right up there. up there, too. Both of them. Yeah. But so what what exactly took place? Well, uh we eventually nailed it. The series was being written by Stan Goff, who was my military affairs editor at From the Wilderness. Stan's a retired master sergeant from US Army Special Forces Delta. Stan taught at West Point. Stan is just one of the most amazing writers and human beings and really cool people I've ever met in my whole life and uh

58:16brilliant guy and Pat Tillman's mom, Danny, contacted me trying to get in touch with Stan. Uh and and I immediately said we'd publish anything and I I drove down to the Tillman house in uh south of the bay. And uh copied overnight 2,200 pages of Army records that she had been given, all redacted. You know, all blacked out in pages and stuff, but I They were in files and sections and all this stuff. So I returned the papers and drove back up to my offices and I flew Stan Goff into Ashland, Oregon. And we Stan did most of the work, but absolutely cuz Stan knew it all. So he decoded the documents and figured out who was who and what was what and where was where. Uh I caught some things that helped, but Stan wrote the seven-part series uh that proved that Stan uh that Pat had been uh killed by friendly fire at close range. Uh and the Silver Star awarded him was I

59:24think that that was probably the most offensive thing the for many in the in in the military was that that Silver Star was fake. That just destroys the value of the Silver Star. Uh uh and so we broke that story and and this is the to what they I mean it's been the Jessica Lynch story they they changed that story around too. It apparently any story that gets released any big story gets doctored up favorably. And so this one was an unfortunate incident. It wasn't a murder, right? No one's claiming it was a murder? Oh no, I I think claim that it's murder. I think Danny believes that it's possible that that that that that her son was murdered. I think she said so. She said so to me. Um I it could not have been premeditated uh because it was in a FUBAR situation. That It was not really combat. It was an exaggerated stage play in some respects. Uh there had been some incoming fire but it

60:21was like 3 400 yd away. A couple of muj fired a couple rounds and ran away and and and here a whole lot of Rangers just start opening up on a lot of everything all at once. This basically the way that played. Uh and but Pat Pat Tillman's last words when he stood up before he took a three-round burst from a saw squad automatic weapon right here. I mean it just took his head off. Or I'm Pat Tillman. And that's not disputed. That that's fully in the record. Oh, who is the guy that pulled the trigger? Uh it was a sergeant in his serial. What was he just Was he on edge or was he trying to kill him? I can only speculate here. If you had to speculate Pat was a really smart guy and he was honorable. He had seen that that the war was all up. It was all lies that you know and he was disheartened. Now here he was a pro football star, right? And and uh Quit the NFL a huge move to join

61:28the army to defend his country because he thinks that you know everything that you see in the movies is how it works out and you're supposed to rise up when your country gets attacked as as a patriotic American. He wanted to do his part. Well well let me just continue with that a little bit. Um and he kept a diary and so there would naturally be fear that he would come back rejoin the NFL and start badmouthing the government. But that didn't really factor into it. That that could have been controlled in many other ways than that. Pat hung around frequently with special forces and and that's that's kind of a no-no in theater. Um because one group does what they do and and anyway that's just the way it works. Um and I I think he was something of a grandstander you know a little bit. Um and uh So you're saying he was making a lot of noise and he was pissing some

62:24people off and he was complaining about how up things were and somebody might have put it to him. Y- yeah. And and I think he became a Ranger before he became a soldier and maybe only Rangers would understand that or SF would understand that but uh uh it's it's a it's a totally Shakespearean tragedy. I mean it's just like so up all the way around for everybody. Yeah. Did you ever hear the eulogy the brother gave? Mhm. It's pretty intense too. I think it was something to the extent of Pat you know Pat's not in heaven Pat's dead. Something along those lines. You know he's a an atheist or something. Well I'm glad you didn't know him because then he would have like lipstick all over him and he had pictures like I don't even want to joke about this. I don't even want to joke about it unfortunately. But you would joke about it with I almost I came close to But you would

63:23joke about it with me and you didn't even know Pat that well. got blown off. If your head got blown off I I wouldn't put a big dick like damn should have tried to suck a smaller dick. It blew your head off That'd be the last thing I would do for you. But you know Pat Tillman's like an American hero bro. The whole thing was sad. It was very It was you know it was sad that he he you know he chose to jump in and it was sad that it wasn't what he thought it was. The truth is is that everything about those wars the the the post 9/11 wars everything about those wars is up. And when when when you start off with everything on the on the floor you're building on that up the war that takes place on top of that field can't be anything but more compoundedly up. Right. How do you have a just war when you go into it with you know ulterior motives? And lies. Yeah. It's amazing that

64:22there's a lot like a army of people in jail right now. You know it's it's amazing. It's amazing that they can get away with that level of corruption and not be accountable. It's it's really But but they do in the world of ones and zeros you know the Cartesian world measurable matter. And of course we know there's such a thing as spirit. There are things other than matter but they operate as if everything is matter. That's what we got to do man. We got to bring them into the light. That's what we got to do. That's the solution to all of it. It's not It's not even fight them. It's like these they are us. They're just us in the the worst case scenario in the worst possible position doing the wrong thing exactly. I think that we are at one of the most epic all times in human history. Of course we are. Perhaps all of human history. And I really believe that what I said in the movie

65:11is happening that that our species is being forced to choose whether to evolve or perish. perish. Right. To grow up or die. Well it's obvious when you look at like what we're doing as far as like sucking fish out of the ocean and depleting resources and polluting things. It's like we're we're certainly not doing it in a sustainable way right now. And now I don't I don't think it's impossible if if I if we kept the population exactly how it is it is right now it might even be possible to run the world the way it is and use the resources it might be possible. As we move along if if it's not how we doing it right now. We we are overextended. But we're doing it right now. no no. We are about to everything is imploding right now. Right but right now we're doing fine. Right now we have electricity. I'm on the internet. We have food. It's not everybody. This is this is this is the ego bomb

66:09because this is where I I have the hardest trouble getting through to people but because they'll say how how long do we have? When is it going to happen? Right. And subconsciously all they're really saying is how long before it with me? Yeah. How long before I'm uncomfortable? Exactly. When are we going to be by candlelight? Like here we are but you know that's why collapse net exists because we bear witness to the fact that uh all over Pakistan cities are having blackouts for weeks. That was very authentic. Pakistan? Pakistan. Yes. The blackouts lasting weeks at a time same in Mindanao. Uh India major power blackouts. Right. Civilization is collapsing all around the world and just because people choose not to hold it in their consciousness don't mean it ain't going on. So you recognize it as an inescapable trend that only a shift in consciousness can

67:05alter. So if the shift of consciousness occurred how would that alter? What would What would be the correct thing to do if the the human population was brought into the light and everybody sort of figured it out and said hey we have to act responsibly and stop being a bunch of greedy what would we do? I think it would all spring from a fundamental overriding awareness not a conviction belief just awareness. You you know you're living it you know you know. Uh of the oneness of everything of the connectedness of everything. Uh that's the place where you start. And once you you do that among other things you overcome the pairs of opposites. Good bad rich poor fat thin what whatever you know. Uh this world of duality. Um and uh and I think there's some amazing work being done in quantum physics that is totally bearing this out. Uh there's some amazing research out Amit Goswami is a is a

68:18quantum physicist and great book out by David Wilcock and other stuff that a lot of stuff that I kind of became aware of along the way. So there's I think the awareness of that once it once it comes or it flowers in the species and pray pray God's God of spirit it does soon uh we would just won't we will just automatically stop doing all the stuff that we're doing that's turning this planet into a living hell. Come on. The Gulf of Mexico is totally destroyed. They got shrimp with their guts hanging out and one eye and an eye in their ass and crabs with half a shell. I mean we we've been running the photos of this on you know on collapse net. So climatologically there's there are plumes two one two kilometers across 20 30 of them of methane venting directly up from tundra in Siberia. I mean it's like methane is 20 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than CO2.

69:26This mess is out of control. It's going to come crashing down. The only thing because by calculation I had a guest on my radio show. Great guy. Um uh professor from Arizona State is I'm having a brain fart on his name. It'll come up in a minute. Thank you very much. Um uh but climatologically that there's an incredible study that says you have to stop all economic activity now or else all of everything dies irreversibly as a result of temperature rise. I It's It's hard science. So, you know, on all these fronts with all that stuff happening, I just stood back reason and I went The this train wreck cannot be prevented at this level of consciousness. The only thing that can save us now literally is a miracle. Right. A miracle, a revolution of human consciousness. But if that does happen, if there's a revelation, there's a revolution, whatever you want would want

70:25to call it. If that did happen, what would we do? How would we fix everything? That just seems to me that the the we have to ship things, okay? We have to move we have to manufacture and we have to move it around places because people need stuff. You know, you got to get food to supermarkets. You got to you got to keep growing it. You got to keep it keep a good cycle going on. So, you got to burn something. You got to use something's got to run those engines. And then on top of that you have to have at least public transportation. And then people are going to want to have cars. Okay, how you going to get all this Drives Drives you crazy thinking about that, don't it? amazing that we got so out of hand. We got out of as a society we're like it's like someone who was just out of college and you gave them an unlimited MasterCard and you don't have to pay for the first year. And they just

71:07went bananas. You know, they went bananas to the point where it's completely unsustainable. And then you realize you have this debt of the the way you're living. It's just it's so disproportionate to your resources. Here's the ultimate kicker to all of this. There are not enough resources in the world to pay off the the debt that has been printed since 2008. All the bailouts are debt. So, all the resources in the world like as far as all the gold, all the diamonds, all the oil Well, how about iron and copper and and food? But energy is the first resource because without energy you can't use anything else. So, that's amazing. So, how is that possible that we have an economy that's not based on in entirely what what anything could be worth? That that just shows you how completely full of the whole idea of the economy is. If there the whole all the resources of the

71:58world and you owe more than that, someone got Someone Someone Someone you out of the whole world plus. Think about that. Think about how strong the is in this economy. That is so bad that literally we owe more than there is value in anything in the world to pay off. It costs more to make a penny than a penny's worth. Same thing. I mean, it's seriously. That's that pretty much explains everything. Here's the Here's the Here's the catch, too. All of that is found founded on on a premise of infinite growth. Wow. Infinite growth on a finite planet is not possible. resources. Yeah. Have you ever read Black Gold Stranglehold? Do you know the the premise behind that? No. That was who was that? Was that Jerome Corsi? No, that was That was a Disinfo book. Was it really? I had it on my Disinfo show. Really? Yeah. So, it was a book that was It was It still sounded completely ridiculous.

73:00I was like, well, how do you Is he the only guy that knows it? Uh the the premise was that gold that oil was um not a byproduct of fossil fuels. Oh, abiotic, yeah. Yeah, that it was a a process of the the It's like literally the blood of the earth. Earth has an endlessly filled creamy nougat center that will satisfy your every desire for as long as your kinky ass should crave it. What dirty evil vampire people are. We just sucked the oil out of the earth until it's dead. That's what we're doing. We're running our entire crazy business on the blood of the earth. We're like the craziest what it is, too. Yeah, it is the blood of the earth. Oil is life. All we're doing is burning ancient sunlight that was stored in It It's all solar energy in one form or another on this planet. That's so crazy when you really stop and think about it like that. It is. God, it's amazing. It's amazing

73:49when you really think about what it is. Why do you Why do you think the natives call it Father Sky? Cuz they were dumb. They didn't They didn't know about planets. lot of they didn't know. Oh, yes, they did. even have horses, man. We had to give them horses. Settle down. May magic That might be all fake. Listen, man. Those are the people that came across the Bering Strait and it was proven recently actually when this Mormon dude tried to tried to flex cuz he in the Mormon Book of Mormon, whatever the that nonsense that Joseph Smith character wrote when he was 14 years old and everybody followed along with. Uh it was said that they believed that the American Indian was actually the lost tribe of Israel. And that he was going to prove it with a genetic test. So, he ran a DNA sequence on the American Indian and most most of it is actually Asian. Most American Indians are

74:44actually they came down from the Bering Strait. Siberia. Joseph 1860s running a DNA test? What? No, no, no. Recently ran a DNA test on American Indians to find out the origin. Thank you. If they were Israelis, he could like, "See, this is the lost tribe of Israel." If they were Semitic and, you know, he could I guess they could find that out. But it was not. It was the most likely that they were Asian. Religions are business and and and I really think overall Christianity had the best business plan. That's what it boils down to. Yeah. Uh but what's happening now is people are also beginning to understand that uh part of this great awakening is that many of us are returning to wisdom that existed before the the word religion even existed. It was It was the knowledge of the ancients living in direct connection with this planet and everything on it. You can absolutely

75:36You can absolutely learn from other people's revelations that are written down and recorded. But the moment the people start attaching gods to them Sorry, that you're talking about a bunch of You don't really know what the you're talking about. If you're a human being, then you really don't know what you're saying. You're saying You're saying a bunch of nonsense, you know? Either you learn something or you didn't. But the When you when you start thinking about things like Mormons or Scientologists or any anything where it's like just even a whiff of crazy, it's like, how do you address that? How do you do you allow it to happen? Cuz I'll tell you, I've never met nicer folks than Mormons. Some of the nicest people I know are Mormons. They have a great sense of community in the Mormon church. Um I've actually been to services before cuz I had friends that

76:17were Mormon and I've been to a Mormon funeral before. They're very polite and nice people. And if you wanted to find like a religion where you said, "Well, here's a religion that looks like it enhances family life a little bit. They do a lot of things together. There's probably a lot of benefits to it when you get past the fact that it's based on some nonsense fairy tale written by a young con man." are also very very very smart in that they have focused on food storage and food preparation for a long time and that is the single most critical factor for who's going to make it and who's not. And you go dude, you can't You have to bring everything back to the end of the world doom and gloom. Well, no. We need to take you to Disneyland. have a wake-up before last time you were at Disneyland, man? Oh my god. Uh You know, it works today. But you should you go to Disneyland before like

77:05the Planet of the Apes style collapse of civilization happens and you're out there Mad Maxing it in your biodiesel truck and you pass by the Disneyland when Anaheim is a ghost town and you have to get in the car cuz the zombies are coming. This sounds like a movie. Yeah, it is a movie, bro. movie. Woody Harrelson would be It's like What was that? Zombieland? Zombieland Zombieland. Deuce. Zombieland Deuce. Go to Disneyland. Bring some man. Yeah. Yeah, just up some zombies at Disneyland. Actually, you know, if there were places to party I I can think of a couple more I'd rather party at. Disneyland's beautiful. Disneyland's fun. It's a great place. Did you Did you end up going the other day? was awesome. Yeah, I want to go there. Yeah, you go during the weekday, man. It's great. Did you use the app? Did you try the app? it was really the lines were easy. Well,

77:46I get on I go on little kid rides. It's totally different experience. I'm not waiting for Space Mountain. I'm waiting like 10 minutes to go on the submarine, Yeah. The submarine and I I like the teacups. that you spin Yeah, kids love teacups. Those are fun. Those are fun. Disneyland's fun. When you when they're your kids, it's really an amazing thing that happens when you have kids is that you get the actual joy of them having joy. It's really strange. Like I used to see kids having fun and I'd go, "Aw, that kid looks like he's having fun. That looks awesome." And it would make me feel good. But it doesn't make you feel good like you're a little kid experiencing the happiness. Well, when you have a kid and they're happy like jumping around and laughing and having a good time, you actually experience that feeling. It's like you live through it. It's amazing. You know what's amazing?

78:27You know what I don't like? I don't like when kids have that that thing where they out of nowhere they just like start grabbing on your leg like like like holding on to you and you're like a random stranger kid. You're at the Olive Garden or something like that and they're just grabbing it. Yeah, it's uncomfortable. You're like, "Um get your kid. What do I do with it?" Do Do I start documenting like Nothing happened. Nothing happened. Does it bite? Yeah, well, I don't want to pick your kid up and have you weird out, too. Cuz some dude just picked up your kid. You'd be like, "Hey, man. What are you doing with the baby? What's up?" God, see That What a commentary on this world. Well, yeah. You know, people would go automatically there. It's like But there's so many of us. There's so many of us that the the amazing spectrum of human behavior. It's It's There are

79:08possibilities you can run into people that are completely crazy. We all have in our day. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, in the world of martial arts and fighters and I've I've run into some crazy people. I'm sure your world takes that to the next level times 10, You know, being a police officer in Los Angeles and all the that you've seen, I mean, your your like douchebag to nice people ratio that you saw in your line of duty is Oh, yeah. It's hard to hard to keep a a cheerful profile. Well, that's one of the There's a a Jesuit mystic named Anthony De Mello and he has a great line. He says, "There comes a point in your life when your options are to either go stark raving insane, commit suicide, or become a mystic." Hm. I want to be a mystic. Yeah. Well, you are, man. Really? I think. I wouldn't want to be like the Silver Surfer, dude. Yeah. I want a Silver Surfer reboot.

80:04If you could Yeah, yeah, man. it to be like digital like Tron style like where it's like like when he's flying there's like digital I enjoyed the first Silver Surfer. It's good movie. Yeah. Reboot that. Who owns that? Marvel or the other company? I don't know. Silver It was wasn't it a part of the Avengers? Or no, not the Avengers, rather um Fantastic Four? No. Fantastic Four. Where was Where was the last Silver Surfer? I want to say it was a in one of the Fantastic Four movies. I think it X-Men. X-Men? Maybe it was that. Yeah, it is X-Men, yeah. You sure? Yeah, yeah. It's in one of the X-Men movies. Mhm. We got to find out which one. Fantastic Four was just that brick dude and that stretchy dude and that was like Silver Surfer wasn't involved in that? I don't think so because I I think I think I think Silver Surfer was straight, wasn't he? I think he's I think he's like a god or

80:51something. Wow. remember the story behind it. You thought you were going to come on for a serious discussion about the end of the world, didn't you, silly man? No, that's all right. It's okay. This This is This is like a download. I'm just checking what's going on in the universe around here and well, Listen, I just think it's possible that uh a lot of people, okay? Here's Here's Here's a funny thing. When you're worried about the end of the world, you're worried about the collapse of civilization. Mhm. And in the meanwhile, people see a smoking cigarettes. And they go, "If you want to stay healthy and happy, why are you poisoning yourself?" Deal with it. Yeah, that's right. That will now be a meme. That will now be a meme that will spread spread across the internet. It's beautiful. But I mean I was talking with my friend Duncan about this. We were talking about people

81:46who are like looking for chemtrails while they're smoking cigarettes. They're poisoning me from the sky. Um you you're poisoning yourself, too. Doesn't matter. Enjoy it. I I am what I am. I you know, at at 61 years of age after all the that I've done in my life and then I'm alive and healthy. I got wounds and scars and I I don't Don't go there. And it's like needs that cigarette. He's got a pack of smokes on him, man. If civilization falls apart, do you have a stock pile of cigarettes or are you just going to quit? I I don't have a huge stock pile. I'll ration up if I have to. Would that be the biggest thing that you would miss about civilization or would it be the internet? Oh, oh, I I would not. I'm tired of the internet, dude. I I need a break. of the internet? I'm getting there. I'm You're tired of the internet, too? Well, both you guys are You should go

82:34get go in a room together and make out. I'm taking a break. you talking about? I love the internet. It's the greatest thing that human nature has ever invented. Well, that's what you're clicking right now. But see, I'm I'm starting to click in a different direction. I'm I'm starting to click I'm moving more to to live in my spiritual my inner life and and building my own lifeboat. Uh cuz you need you need a night on the town. You need hookers and tequila. That's what you need. You need a limo. Yeah. And a and a and an Asian driver who knows how to weave through traffic. No, I think I'd rather just have a big party at my house where we cook leg of lamb and all sit around and eat and Sounds awesome. smoke a little herb, eat organic food, and then And then Bigfoot makes it to the party. anybody wants to go off and make love to you just do it. Don't you live up in Bigfoot country?

83:22There's Bigfoot sightings up there, aren't there? Northern California? I don't think so. Have you ever been to a swinger party? Uh Kind of yes and kind of no. It was like Yeah, I guess I have. know going in, but then it turned into one kind of thing. It broke out in the middle of it. Wow. Yeah. I want to go to one. Yeah. You think that till dudes are trying to you. No, I wouldn't do that. Come on, man. What's the What What's the hang-up, man? Let me put it in your butt, man. No, man. Let me your wife. You're like, "What? Um let's get out of here. Whoa!" Is that a broomstick? Try to have Burbank style. Yeah, Burbank style. I got a feeling that broomstick story's going to spread. I would imagine it would get on the internet now. Yeah. That's a ridiculous way to die. Well, I have another one. Okay. good. Um Get a call to a dead body in in in ambulance suicide in uh

84:20in in in the jungle in Wilshire division there. And we roll up and here's here's this dead guy in a easy chair. It's kind of like this. And I walk up and look and wrists are slashed, bled out. But then I look up and his throat's also slashed. Think about that. His wife was saying she committed suicide. How you cannot slash your own throat and slash your own wrist. Can you do wrist then throat? She went to jail for murder. He had been beating her for, you know, for so many years and she just lost it one day and you know, 8 million tragic stories, but he was definitely not a suicide. Why can't you do that? Why can't you slash your own throat and then cut your own wrist? Why can't you do wrist then throat? You'll bleed out too fast. You'll bleed out too fast? Yeah. Whoa. They make the movies make it seem like you could like actually play a piano song before you die.

85:16She must have been a badass though if she could pull that off. Yeah. Cut a guy's wrist and his neck. It's amazing People get tired of you kicking their ass. It's amazing what rage can can do. You know. It's out there. Well, We have to What if We have to stop that, Michael Ruppert? Cuz that's my number one goal in life lately is to figure out how to diminish the amount of in the world. It's possible. I became the internet. Get off the internet. Yeah, that's the secret. I became a cop trying to do that and then and you know, clearly that's a losing battle. That was your motivation to become a police officer to try to make a difference? Absolutely. Do you remember when you started to realize that the system was almost like unfixable? Well, you you acquire that in stages. I mean, I pulled one worm out of a can, CIA bringing drugs into the country. I said, "This is wrong. As soon as I get get

86:08this to the right people's attention, they'll stop it immediately." Wrong. Of course, that was before Iran-Contra and and so that worm turned out to be all of human industrial civilization. It It turned out to be the whole economic paradigm. It turned out to be everything was crooked. Everything was a lie. Everything was manipulated. I had a CIA friend recently who I was talking to, a former CIA guy and and and he had been in a meeting. Uh the the first briefing of Bill Casey as a DCI under Ronald Reagan, Director of Central Intelligence. Bill Casey wore the glasses. Start ran around Contra. He had been a stockbroker before he became CIA Director. There's a clue. And Bill Casey took uh US domestic cocaine consumption from 60 metric tons in 1979 to 600 metric tons in 1987. And that money went to Wall Street. Uh so Casey had his first briefing as DCI and he said, "Gentlemen, we will know

87:11that everything that we are successful when everything that the American people believe is true is false." Whoa. Jesus Christ. I've been around, you know? I I kept good notes. That's why I'm alive. I took a really good notes. And I left a good solid record, you know? So, you think you're alive because you've said too much already and there's nothing they can do about it and it's just like it's it's out there. No big deal. Let them live. I also think I'm alive because spirit wants me alive. I've I've had I've had spirit intervene so many times in my life and that's part of what the story is now that I have to tell uh in my next book because uh there is something powerful and and I think wonderful afoot here. And all I can do is tell the truth about it, but it would be dishonest of me as a journalist to leave that out of the work that I've already done. When you exposed all this, when you

88:04exposed the CIA, when you stepped in front of the What was the man's designation? The guy you in in Washington? John John Deutsch. He was DCI, Director of Central Intelligence, appointed by Bill Clinton. That was an incredibly courageous thing to do on camera. You know, to step in and and not just say that you were a former Los Angeles police narcotics officer, is that what you were? That had caught the CIA doing this, but you named operations. You I mean, you you you gave out information. It wasn't just it wasn't just uh a blank statement. a lot of Yeah, that must be the worst case scenario for the the the creepy industrialist that run the world, some dude who wants to be a superhero, some dude who wants to save the world, some dude who wants to I I'm just pissed off, man. Just righteously pissed off. For a good reason. And you don't you don't want to

89:03recognize this, but that's a hero move, okay? When a guy does that and stands in front of a like that and you say what you said, it's Brian, do you have that clip? Pull that Pull that clip up cuz for the people who don't know, who haven't heard this or seen this, this is pretty intense stuff, man. Going to make me smoke? Yeah, go ahead and smoke. Well, it's it's a it's a courageous move, man. I mean, it it takes a lot. I know you couldn't help it. courageous, you can't help it. You just It's What I What I wanted to get at was Sorry. What was What was your thought process and what was it like when you finally got that information out, when it came out of your mouth? What was it What was it What did that feel like when that whole courtroom was cheering? Oh, that wasn't a courtroom. That was a high school auditorium. There were 12 1200 people in there and uh uh uh

89:50it was high I was it was unbelievably high. It was like super peak awareness. You know You know how it is when You know how it is. And and it was like, "Whoa." It was like One of my favorite maxims is don't shoot unless you got a head shot. And I had John Deutch in a head shot. Right. And I pulled the trigger. Wow. And that cost him his appointment as Secretary of Defense. Really? Yeah. And Cuz you clowned him like that? Oh, he didn't have anything to say. was stammering like a zombie. He was wringing his hands and Yeah. you know. He looked like the typical evil white dude that's exploiting Yeah, that's it. Back Back it up so people can see it. This is November 15th, 1996. Los Angeles police narcotics