Annie Lederman

00:03Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY What are the odds that you and I are wearing the same shirt? It's so weird. And it's a shirt I drew and I'm putting up on my website to sell. Yeah. I just don't have the midrift showing. Did you cut yourself? I did trim it myself. I cut all my shirts. Oh, all of them? Yeah. Yeah. I had a girl come up to me who's very skinny who goes, "You've really given me like a lot of inspiration." Like how you'll just wear a midrift no matter what. And I was like, "Oh [laughter] my god, what does that mean?" I was like, "But yeah, I like to I'm loud and proud muffin top around this town, baby." Wow. You don't give a [ __ ] No. Good for you. I like cropping it. I think they land weird. I have hips, you know, so they land weird on my hips. They get tight on

00:51my hips, so I just crop that [ __ ] Wear hoist my my sweatpants up high, which is what you wear most of the time, right? Yes. When I came to Austin last time, by the way. Nobody warned me about about the [ __ ] swamp ass situation here. [laughter] I was wearing I was wearing sweatpants. All I have is sweatpants. I listen I I gained a little weight over COVID. Loud and proud. I don't give a [ __ ] But I'm I refuse to buy new clothes. So I'm a size four till the seams pop. I don't know what that is. Is that a lot? A size four is like What's Jamie? Jamie if he was a girl would be a size. He might be a girl. Why don't you not be rude? Look at his hair. 33. I know. Jamie, what's going on with the hair? I'm trying to get him to shave his head. He won't do it. You have to find somewhere to cut it is all. Well, it's impossible to find

01:32somewhere to cut it is above the ears. There's no way. No one No one cuts hair anymore. That's like going to a blacksmith. I know. You have a low pone, which is so upsetting. Like up. I thought I hated man. It's just Do you ever do man bun? Not up top. No. Sometimes he does like a samurai. He should give him one of your swords. Yeah. Jamie, this is an intervention. All right. What's up? Why did you get your haircut? I don't understand. I like meant to do it this weekend. I did other stuff instead. I don't know. I would have been so happy. I would have priority. Do you ever wear it down? Can you take your hair down for us? Yeah, sure. It's confusing. It's long. I think he's transitioning. Okay. I think he's definitely trans. I want to do Transatch. You look like Abraham Lincoln. You think so? I think he looks like uh like a rock band from Yes, you do.

02:17Well, that's the third time I've had long hair. And that was the first time why I had long hair when you were in a band. Was this like a co reaction? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just couldn't find a barber shop. You couldn't go anywhere. There's so many barber shops. It's so dumb. There's like scissors. I got scissors. I was able to cut this shirt. Okay. On while I was traveling. You can cut that hair. Is that easier to cut a shirt than hair? It was actually kind of hard. I would say it's easier than hair though, don't you think? Yeah. I don't think that's a good comparison. [laughter] I want to go back to the skinny girl. The skinny girl who's like that you have such confidence to wear that like that's girls do [ __ ] like that to each other, right? I like it. I listen, I'm all about I've been dealing with I realize I've been really judging a lot of people

02:56and wasting my time judging others. So, I'm just taking everything people say and I'm just enjoying it. And I laugh my [ __ ] ass off when she said that to me. Really? Yes. Do you know her? Well, not that well, but but it enough that I I send her love and light. Oh, okay. Like love and light, [ __ ] That should be your next shirt. I'm happy. Listen, I gained weight because I wasn't giving a [ __ ] [ __ ] over this damn pandemic. So, well, I think it's cuz you ate a lot of food. I did eat a lot of food. I was, you know, I was eating a lot of noodles. Ah, that'll do it. I got into My boyfriend is um half Asian. I got into a lot of the the cuisine. Ah, what kind of food? A lot of fur. I mean, he actually didn't. It was just I like how you said it right. Fu, of course. Most people are all foe. I know. But f does sound upsetting. It

03:44took me many years to It's weird. I don't say it correct. What do you say? You say foe. I mean, I just don't say it. You just say, "Can I have those noodles?" I wait for my family to want to order it and [laughter] then I go, "Yeah, we'll eat that." My kids love it. They f I always thought like, "It's rice. It's not like regular noodles." So, you kind of convince yourself. But then, you know, it's about this much big ass bowl stuff. There's a great place in Woodland Hills we used to go to. Oh my god, it was sensational. I don't remember, but it was really good. Oh, you guys almost got such a good advertisement. Sorry. Sorry. You should had a better name. I go to a place called Absolutely Fobulous. And if those [laughter] p if those people had had a good name like that, that's in on Latiana guy. I love them. Yeah, that is one thing. Um LA had a

04:30real good scene in terms of like variety of food, you know. Actually, for a small city, cuz Austin's pretty small, there's a lot of variety here, you know. There's a lot obviously a lot of Texmex, obviously a lot of barbecue. You're like, they have so much variety here. They have Tex, they have mechs. It's amazing. No, but [laughter] you have you can get Korean food here. There's a lot of sushi. There's a lot of Japanese. There's Indian food. There's a lot of different There's it's a you know, because it's a college city, you know. There's a all kinds of different folks come here and stay here, you know. Yeah. I've only eaten I went to What was the barbecue place I went to? You go to Terry Blacks? Yes, I went to Terry Blacks. That was the first place I went to. You don't need to go anywhere else. It was so good. Everywhere else there's places that are

05:11as good like Franklin's and La Barbecue and there's some killer places, but they don't get better. It's It's not possible. Yeah, it was great. It was so good. It was fast. It was easy. Yeah, you did go through the uh But we [ __ ] it up by talking about it too much. They were there. It was a giant ass [ __ ] line. Well, I when I went there there it seemed like a really big line. The parking lot was full and it still went fast. So, I was like, "All right." Well, it's a cafeteria style and they're on the ball. Do you do cafeteria when you go? Yeah, you got to. Are people like hovering around you? You can. Sometimes when it's too crazy, they'll they'll just bring us over what we want. But yeah, I like going in line. I like doing the thing. I didn't get to do a pit tour. I like doing the pit tour. Oh, the pit tour is the [ __ ] They make

05:50their pits themselves. They use propane tanks. They have someone weld them and [ __ ] Would you ever bring them elk you killed to barbecue? Yes. I definitely would. Yeah. But but you know when they barbecue stuff, it's like a 12-hour process. Like they they took us on a tour of the the brisket making and the guy was explaining to me how he does it. He has like a piece of paper and he writes down which which ones went in at which time. They don't use thermometers. They just know. They just They just know like what the temperature of the meat is and they know when it's ready and they know when to wrap it in butcher paper. It's a art. It really is the slow smoking art. Offset cooking. Yeah. It's a real art. Fat dripping off. Really good. All the different sauces. I went there. I went to another place that had like tapas. I had some bone marrow, which

06:38I've decided I hate. I never have been able to decide whether I'm disgusted by bone marrow or I like it. I hate it. Bone marrow on garlic bread at a restaurant in town called Red Ash is [ __ ] sensational. Don't you laugh. I'm not laughing. I'm just saying it's one of those things. It feels like I'm on Fear Factor, honestly. Every time I eat it, I'm like, it's mental. It's mental. It's mental. I'm smearing that [ __ ] I'm scraping it off the bone, which you're not going to eat it when it's not on the bone. You [clears throat] It has to come out on the bone, right? So, you can't pretend it's not coming from where it's coming from, right? Yeah, that's true. And it's just And you want to get it clean like right when it comes out of the oven, too. Yeah. when it's still like and I and I take a couple bites and I go I think I

07:15like this and then I'm like kind of gagging. Yeah, I don't think it's everybody's thing. Yeah, I've tried. I'll try again. I love it. I like to try things like if anyone brings me any weird thing I like to try it. I used to before I knew you I used to um pretend I was on Fear. I'd be like I'd like take a thing like all right take a bite. Here we go. Here we go. I watched an episode recently. I told you. Yeah. I watched like a couple's episode. episode. It was like couples championships. They came back and you had married a couple. You had gotten you were adained and married this couple. Yeah, they were from Dallas. Yeah. Nice folks. Wonder if they're still together. They were really nice. I mean, I hope they're still together, but you know, with these marriage rates, I I can't Well, what is it like? It's not even 50%, I don't think. Right. That make it.

08:02I don't know. Are people even getting married anymore? [laughter] They did. Yeah, people get married. I think that it's going to be around forever. I don't I don't think they're going to stop getting married. You know, when when people have children and you want to protect and keep everything together and like lock it down, that's when it makes sense, you know? Yeah. It seems like a crazy institution though, you know, like getting other people involved in your relationship. Well, the wedding is so weird cuz the wedding is like you're calling all of your your closest family and friends to like like hold you accountable for this promise you made. Like everyone's there like you promised. You promised. Is that what it is? I thought it was like to celebrate. Listen, now you look at it. You look at it in a terrible way. I guess I feel like really embarrassed

08:54like sharing like my deepest heart in front of everyone. I don't know. That seems like very vulnerable. Well, if I'm like up there and I'm like you complete me or whatever I'm saying that I mean, but I don't know. I guess it's I feel different. I feel like I'm growing. We did a non-religious wedding and the lady was very nice, but she had the corniest [ __ ] vows that you know the thing that they do, your love is two streams that will become a mighty river. I'm like, oh my god. Like as a comedian, you know, like to sit there and listen to that and not mock it. It's like, oh god. Should have mocked it. I would have mocked it. I was holding it together. I was making faces that way. Did you cry at your wedding? No, I did not. You didn't? No, I did not. I cried when my kids are born. Yeah, I cry. But that wasn't a like I mean I

09:42love her. She's awesome. [laughter] I've definitely seen you cry. I cry. You're a good boy. I cry. Yeah, I'm a I'm a very emotional person in a lot of ways. But I that was like a fun It was like I wanted to just get it over with. Let's just do it and then kind of cuz it seems stressful. Did you guys have like a really big one? Was it Did your Was your wife into wanting it to be? No, she's not very high maintenance. She's pretty cool in that regard. You know, it's a small group of friends. And you had your stepdaughter. Mhm. And then you didn't have your daughters yet. No, one of them had one of them. It was uh it's one of those things where it's like you're doing in the middle of you doing it, you're like, "Okay, is this happening? We're really doing cuz it's like hopefully you only do it once." Yeah. So, why are you doing it? You're like, "Okay, is this real?"

10:26Can you imagine planning a second [ __ ] wedding? Some people do it even for no reason. They just to say, "We're going to go to Tahiti and have a second wedding." And you're like, "Oh, fuck." And then your friends have to go. No, I mean like your next marriage where you're just like, I have a lot of friends that have gotten married three, four times and they do the same amount of effort into each wedding. It's got to dilute each time. What happens is when you find a new gal and she finds out what you did for the old gal, she's like, "Listen, [laughter] You may have lost 50%, but you're going to be doing 50 extra%." Yeah. We ain't doing this one in the park when your last one was in the [ __ ] Bahamas. Yeah. Can I tell you? Go. How cool it is that there's shooting stars in your [ __ ] sky. How cool is it that it's 180 degrees in

11:09this room? I'm sweating so much. I'm so glad I chose black shirts. Yeah. Something happened to our AC over the last couple days. You think a guy with a ponytail would really want to keep it cool in here? I know. That's what I'm saying. It's not who made it to his pony. He has a ponytail, too. True. [laughter] Well, it's not even his fault. It's obviously one of our units is [ __ ] up. But that's a common thing here. We were at the creek in the cave the other night and it was [ __ ] sweating like dripping into my eyes on stage. And it's hard. I've said this before. When you're on stage and you start to sweat, that's a symptom of bombing and it's hard to my body goes into like save yourself mode. When I start sweating and it's like, well, you're not comfortable. Yeah. And I'm like, you have to be comfortable on stage.

11:51You're pull like my I can't see. Well, with you too, you got eye makeup, so it's like that shit's going to get in your eyes. I remember I actually don't wear makeup. This is what I wake up. I'm so pretty. You are so pretty for like natural. I remember one time I came straight from Fear Factor and I had sunscreen on and I didn't realize I had sunscreen on and I'm on stage and I sweat and the sweat got in my eye and then I was in pain. So I was I was trying to do my act like while my eyes were tearing up. That's terrible. I also That's why I can't surf. Oh, I've tried surfing and I I'm like it's so embarrassing when I'm doing something everyone else is doing fine and everyone seems like not and I'm like my eyes are burning. I'm like is there something wrong with that? How come some people could just open their eyes in salt water

12:33and swim around? It doesn't bother them at all. Can you do it, Jamie? It's I haven't tried for a long time, so I don't know. I don't think you have surfer hair. You should get out there before you sound like a surfer. We need to make an excuse for this hair. Well, you know, in Texas, there's a place down in Waco where it's uh an indoor surf place. I know about Waco. Yeah, that's a different thing. That That's They [laughter] don't like to talk about that anymore. Now it's like a home a home improvement spot. Do you know that? Like there's a family. They're really good at punch putting up holes. No, there's like a famous family. They're like settled in Waco. They're on like one of them fix them up TV shows. Oh, the couple. Yeah, the fixer upper couple. Yeah. Well, um that's that's Waco. That's like everybody's in that. But in Waco there's a um

13:21Waco is not very wo if they're pretending that thing didn't happen. Oh, I don't you know you're going to have more of these jokes. I don't think it's that they're pretending it didn't happen. But I just think they don't talk about it that much. I guess you don't need to. Well, I mean, uh, everybody knows, you know, the FBI lit those [ __ ] people on fire, whatever, whatever. It's like their home improvement is like, oh, got a bulletproof walls. Apparently, someone was explaining to me that it wasn't just that the FBI lit that place on fire, but that Caresh knew that. So, they they put bales of hay in the hallways and lit them and filled them up with gasoline. Like, he it was kind of like a suicide thing. M and he was also he'd already been shot so he had like a bullet hole in him and some wild [ __ ] you know. Well cults like that it's like

14:08how the [ __ ] right? How does it get to that? Like how does how does someone like all of a sudden you find yourself in a fenced off you know 10 acre I don't know how many acres the place was but where you have guns and you're [ __ ] everybody's wife and I know once a guy's like I'm going to [ __ ] your wife that's when you got to go I think I need to exit. Don't think you're working in the name of Jesus. Yeah, Jesus does not want you to bang my wife unless that's what you're into. But that area has an indoor surf place. And my friend uh Kenny Fong, shout out to Kenny from uh Dark Side Motors. Uh he's a guy I used to go to get all my car stuff from in LA. And Kenny uh [ __ ] flew to he lives in California, flew to Texas to surf at this place, [laughter] which is kind of saltwater. It's an indoor place. It's a wild ass

14:52indoor surf place. I think I' seen It's outdoor, I think. Oh [ __ ] Is this uh Waco? Oh, it is outdoor. Mhm. Oh, on the app, guys. Look at this. Why did I think it was indoor? Is this where the Kesh place was? They just built this. They leveled it and the bodies of the people are underneath the Sometimes when you go under, you see a skull. It's [ __ ] badass, though. I mean, that's what a great place to learn how to surf, right? Cuz you don't have to wait for waves. It's like if you had the only way to learn jiu-jitsu was wait for someone to grab you. It would suck, right? You have no one to roll with. This is like you have training. I have not done jiu-jitsu since before the pandemic. I am now so grossed out. I was thinking about all the ball sweat. I was thinking about the smell of sweat. Yes. The smell of And listen, I'm no

15:44I'm not Mr. Clean over here. I got my own smells going on. In fact, when I [gasps] When I would go into class, when I would go into 10th plan, I would go to whoever my partner was. I go I did yoga before this, so I'm sorry or thank you, whichever. Or I'm sorry or welcome, whichever you're into. I'm not sure what you like. [laughter] Now, you would go yoga and then straight into gym. Well, I would try to wash off a little bit. But that's crazy. That's a lot of exercise. Oh, I was ripped before. I was doing I was not like Well, I wasn't ripped, but I was shredded. I was pretty good before the pandemic. And then that's a lot of exercise in one day though is what I'm saying. Yeah, I would do that. And then I had a meditation class I would go to. Damn, look at you centering. And I was still [ __ ] psycho, dude. I was way more psycho then than I am now. Really?

16:29Yeah. What do you think that's about? I think I did a lot of work on myself over this quarantine. Well, people are forced to like think about themselves or think about other people. There was a lot of that. Oh, I went through both and I I really I'm telling you this week specifically, I've been working on it. I'm just really focusing on like myself and what what I like. I was talking to Jamie earlier. I'm I'm writing a movie with Bonnie McFarland. Oh, I love Bonnie. I love her so much. I just worked with her a couple years ago. I know. I was here. I was I was working with her, too. And we're at the Creek in the Cave. I'm telling you, I watched Bonnie's full set. I [ __ ] went up to her afterwards crying. Like, I'm so glad I'm friends with her. She's so funny. She's just the real deal. There's no [ __ ] She said some of the funniest

17:14[ __ ] I have ever [ __ ] heard in my life. Her crowd work. I mean, she's like unmatched. And I'm just so I've known Bonnie for 20 like 27 years, I think. Something crazy like that. It's like something really It might have been more. It might be more than 27 years, which is wild. Yeah, she's just she's such a [ __ ] killer. If you go back and look at her specials, too, like her HBO special from it was like right when I started comedy, I think she did it. It's still like from beginning to end. Amazing. She's just a really smart person. Period. You know? Yeah. Her and Rich, I don't Are they still doing their podcast? Yeah, they are. They're [ __ ] great at that, too. It's so funny. She posted a clip where Rich was talking about his lisp and he was like, "No, people make fun of my lisp, but if I was missing arms, they

17:58wouldn't make fun of it." And Bonnie's like, "Rich, your like lisp has never gotten in the way of your life." And I commented, I was like, "It has gotten in But it's just they're just so funny. They're just calling each other out. Like Bonnie and I were talking about it today. It's like Rich is such a a good dude. Like he just has a person that challenges him on every angle and they just That's why they're so [ __ ] funny, dude. They just have two people that are just bop bop. Well, he can take it better than anybody I've ever met in my life. Like when we used to do Be and Anthony. No, not anymore. Oh, okay. after the [laughter] after the thing it all ended. Um, but when uh we used to do Opie and Anthony together, he could [ __ ] take it better than anybody. When everybody was piling on, Rich was the best. Yeah, he's so funny. He can fight his

18:43way out. He's like It's like that scene. And did you watch Game of Thrones? Yeah. Do you remember the fight scene where they were all piling on him on Jon Snow and he like got out? It's like that's how I imagine Rich when people are making fun of him. [laughter] Well, he just he it doesn't seem to bother him. Like he'll fire back, but it doesn't seem to hurt his feelings. He doesn't care if he like if one fires and it doesn't go. No, he takes wins. Yeah. But he I used to sit next to him. We would do Judge Roast Battle at the stand in New York and I always sat next to him. I I was like I love sitting next to Dum Dum. He would ask questions about like what the rules of the show were. I'm like Rich, we've done this 5,000 times together. You don't know the rules of the [ __ ] show. He's just such a ding-dong. I just But he's so smart.

19:23Show though. I think half of it is like No, we I was talking to Bonnie about it. He is he something happens on stage like he can pull facts that he doesn't know offstage on he like becomes a thing. He's like brilliant on stage and then he's just like [laughter] well he has to be because he could work the crowd so well. He's so good at working the crowd. Yeah. He's a wizard at working the crowd. You know what else he's [ __ ] this is how fearless that guy is. They used to do this thing on Open Anthony where he would like grab a microphone and walk into like a [ __ ] laundromat and just start doing standup. It was cringe. Like people be waiting in line at a deli. He would go, you know, the other day I saw and he would just start start doing stand up and people would be like, "What the [laughter] [ __ ] is going on?" He

20:03would just and and bombing and didn't care. And they would air it. They would air it on the radio. Of course, we used to do this thing in the old days of Opie and Anthony. They were on uh terrestrial radio and satellite radio. I forget which one was first. I think terrestrial was first and satellite was second. But we would do one radio show and then we would walk down the street to the second place and while we were walking they were broadcasting. Wow. So we were broadcasting with wireless microphones walking down the street to the next place. That's so funny. I always want to do a podcast where I'm like on the street where I just do like a it's just an hour of me walking around talking [ __ ] to the camera and then like [ __ ] with people on the street. You should do it on Sixth Street. On I should Well, I'm going to wait for things to cool

20:50down. They have cooled down more security. The horse has How many How many different mass shootings are you going to have on one street? I mean, that's a good point, but I think we just put it in I think we might have just put it in the universe. The odds are I keep missing all of these crazy events. I was I I went I was in Nashville right the day before that bombing and before the truck drove into Oh, I'm sensing a pattern. I I don't want to say it's me, guys, but I have a lot of power. 's truck. What happened there? The guy just left the truck and forgot to put the brake on. I never found out the story. But I I was supposed to do a show the night before and I canceled cuz I was tired. And that was a lesson. Never cancel a show. Do a show. The [ __ ] Yeah. Well, you never should cancel a show because you're tired. Yeah.

21:35Cuz you just once you get there, you'll fire up. Yeah, you're right. I've never had the hiccups on stage. I've never [ __ ] I I do believe I will [ __ ] yourself. [ __ ] myself on stage. I've never [ __ ] myself on stage, but I've come close. I've come very close. Oh, you have those sets where you're just crap dusting the audience [laughter] and you're just like, I hope this mic is loud enough for them to not hear this [ __ ] Oh my god, I forgot I I've been talking about this on stage, but I've never told you this. I had a opener once. I wish I knew her name. I was doing Dead Crow in North Carolina. Do you know that place? It's a It's a club. It's like a small club. It's cute. Um I'd love to go back. Um but next time, warn me about my opener. If my opener does this, if my opener is an

22:16actual opener, let me know. So, there was a girl who was she was Canadian and she was really funny. She had um she did her set. No, Bonnie's Canadian. Yes, Bonnie is Canadian and she's amazing and I she's my dream friend. I love her. But um so the girl finishes her set, she pulls the mic stand down to her crotch. That's never a good sign when someone pulls it to waist level. Not only did she queef, she pulled a pulled her skirt up fully vagina out. No underwear. No underwear. And it was a nice vagina. And um she showed the audience her vagina. She Yes. And she pulled a kazoo out of her jacket. She put the kazoo into her vagina and she queefed Adele's Hello. [laughter] Really? She was my opener. I had to go on stage. The whole audience saw it and it was like I I'm not knocking. It was literally the most amazing thing I've ever seen. if you're closing a

23:10show. I then had to go on stage and be like, "Smells like tuna fish." Like, I was like, "I have to either shove this microphone up my [ __ ] or [laughter] I just have to eat a dick for [ __ ] 45 minutes to an hour after this." Every show was just like, "Um, [laughter] but that's if you're in the audience and she's showing her [ __ ] like that's assault. It is assault. You're right. It should be illegal." Honestly, it was well it wasn't well-groomed, but it was it was just very interesting. Did I ever tell you about the story where uh Joey Diaz hid in the backstage? There was a woman on stage. It was not very funny. And Joey hid backstage and took his pants off. And whenever she would hit her punch line, she he would open up the curtain and shake his balls and then close the curtain. And she was murdering. She

23:56She This is like in the 90s. Oh, that's actually sweet. He gave her an experience she would never have. He gave the audience an experience It was so ridiculous. Was he just doing like the chicken heart or was this dick he was holding his dick up and just putting his No, he just [ __ ] he he I I don't remember if he was naked or if he had his pants off and he was just like [laughter] shut Oh, I thought he was just exposing just the heart. No, no, the curtain in the O. You know the curtain in the O. He was pantsless behind it. I've never even I didn't even know you could go behind that. You can go behind it apparently. [laughter] Yeah, I think I've tried and almost fallen backwards. There's not a lot of room. I don't even know how you get there. And especially when you take up a lot of room. Joey, no offense. Lol. [laughter] I don't know how. LBS.

24:43How do you get there? How where how does one get there? I don't know. I guess he must have just had to hide there through a couple acts. That's so funny if he had to he had to stay there. I don't think he hid. I think he snuck in while she was on stage. But uh Oh my [snorts] god. It was like the in the 90s the shows there were so it might not have been the 90s. It might have been like maybe 2000. I don't remember. Anyway, the shows there were so bad. Yeah. That sometimes someone would get on the lineup and they would be on the lineup like quite a bit and they were It was death. It was like this was the death moment. And you knew that if you had to follow them, [ __ ] Like you have an 11:30 spot, they go on before you, you know, that room's going to clear out. Yeah. I've been I've been that spot. Yeah. The spot after the spot after.

25:25I've been maybe the spot the dead spot a couple times, too. But those [ __ ] shows went like that when that does happen. Like those give you an opportunity to like to really like dig in and find out what's actually funny. Yeah. And it's also it's like a you're to have to pick the whole room up is wild. But I would I would go on after someone who would just always clear the room. I mean, and it would be like a packed like it would be a night you were on. So it' be like [ __ ] sold out main room. And I'm watching everyone get up and leave. So I would always go, "All right, you guys can leave if you want, but if you did, I'm going to tell everyone you raped me, so [snorts] it's up to you. I'm a white woman. I can do whatever I want." But it was just like I always had to do like a save line, you know, cuz it was like so awkward that

26:11everyone was leaving. But what I learned, this is something I taught myself over the pandemic, too, that my time on stage is my time on stage. I don't have to bring up what anyone's done before. I just need to reset. Yeah. And just do my thing. And I can call back if I want. Yeah. It just takes a little time. It takes a little time to shift them over to your style. Like that was something that I learned really from watching people in Boston like uh D learned to watching Domrera in particular cuz Domera was the only guy that I ever saw that went up at Nick's Comedy Stop and did well after the local headliners because they used to do this really sneaky thing where they would take the local headliners, guys like Steve Sweeney and Don Gavin and Kevin Knox and they would murder I mean just murder murder murder three guys in a row doing like 20 minutes of

26:53death. Yeah. And then they put up a national headliner and a lot of guys just died up there and guys quit midweek and like big names like guys in movies and [ __ ] and Domrero went up there and just owned the room just cool, calm, collected, just went on stage and had a big smile on his face and it's like what a nice round of applause for all these guys like no nerves and just slid into his material and then eventually took over and was murdering. Yeah, because if you're if you're thinking about this at before, you're not being in the moment. And I feel like I learned a lot. I used to go after Rick Ingram a lot. And Rick just slaughters with crowd work. Like, yeah. And I I used to be scared of that spot. And now I'm like, [ __ ] bring it. I don't care. I'm not scared of any spots. I'm This pandemic was, no offense to the

27:34people that had a bad one. [snorts] Very good for me. Was it? Well, you worked. You worked at it. Yeah. It was good. It's good for anytime like there's a change. [snorts] Obviously, it's not good for people that lost their businesses. I was watching this thing today. I was reading this thing today. 37% of all small businesses in America are gone for good. That's [ __ ] crazy. Yeah. [snorts] And it's like how the [ __ ] did they ever come back if they do? Imagine if you worked for 30 years of your life for something and you built it up and you know you're getting by and you're doing well and you know you're making a good living and then all a sudden it's gone. Yeah. But you know what? Life is unpredictable and we got to just take it. Yeah. But this is because of regulations. This isn't really unpredictable. This is this is just

28:20foolishness because Walgreens was open, you know, Target was open, all these different places were open and they told small businesses they couldn't be open. It's not really weird. It's idiotic. And there's a lot of people that think that I don't want to get into it. It's it's people that think that it's like a an effort that that it was on purpose and that like they recognize that this is an opportunity to get rid of these small businesses and build up these bigger businesses. Yeah, that's what the the most cynical and conspiracy-minded amongst us think. They think that they recognize this as an attack on small businesses and an opportunity for big corporations to to thrive because that's what happened to them. A [clears throat] lot of big corporations thrived, you know. Yeah. Well, this is a great Speaking of corporations cliff.

29:09Well, I'm Listen, I didn't take Adderall or anything today because I'm so excited to be here. I don't want to. Do you take Adderall all the time? No, every once in a while I do. But, you know, I got ADD math. It is. Yeah. I call I call it homework coke. [laughter] I'm like, who needs a paper? But, um, you know, it's good to help you get up and stuff. But, it is. Yeah. I'm sure I I I can't stand behind Aderall is not a It's a It's an amphetamine, you know, but I as someone that knows that I'm projecting an Adderall vibe right now. You're not. I am just You'reited so excited to be here. The first time I did your show, I was so [ __ ] nervous. Do you remember that? I was like, you were a little nervous, but you loosened up. I had so much fun. I had such a good time. Whitney was like a dream. That was so fun. The Whitney episode was like

29:57that was three hours of my life that pretty [ __ ] So fun. And [clears throat] then this one I'm just like I just couldn't wait to come. I'm wearing your shirt. I know. Um Andy Letterman.com. This uh this black rifle that has 300 milligrams of caffeine. Don't [ __ ] with this. I'm so scared. Mocha. This might It's really delicious. Do I get rich if I drink it? No. It's got a rich flavor. You've taught me so much, my king. The days not too long ago when you were slapping hundreds into my hand. Well, you were broke. I know. No, I really appreciate it. Do But do you remember when I was going to I liked when you told me if I got people away from you that were annoying you, you would give me 100 bucks. [laughter] And then I was slamming people and you're like, "That's my friend." And I was like, "Oh shit." I like misread it.

30:43I was body slamming people into [ __ ] [laughter] Yeah. [clears throat] The old the old parking lot days. I know. It was fun. It's Listen, it's getting it's an in an interesting place right now because it's not like full capacity the comedy store, but it's really fun. Are you going to come back and visit us soon? Yes, for sure. Yeah. When I'm in LA, I'll definitely come back. You got to come back cuz it's we miss. I'm on a plan. I want to plan like a weekend. Do a weekend there. Just take a a trip and and see the homeless shelters and [ __ ] Well, listen. You're the You lied to me about the homeless people here. They cleared out uh town hall today. Uh well, today I didn't drive. Yesterday they weren't cleared out. I saw a woman bottomless. Okay. Congratulations. Here. And by the way, our homeless people, Could I just say no?

31:23Our homeless people in LA at least are cute because they were trying to be actors at one point. They were trying to be actors. Yours, how are you fat and homeless? How are you obese and homeless? Because there's a lot of food out here. The TexMax is really fatty. [laughter] But they um there's a lot of services out here, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending upon, you know, whether or not you want We got to figure out that Listen, it's like I don't want to look at homeless people like they're the enemy or anything. Obviously, it's they're not the enemy. It's unfortunate, but it's also it didn't used to be like this. And you got to think, is it really like that many more people are homeless or is it that they don't go to shelters anymore and now they're camping? Right? Because that's the argument about it in here. I don't know. I haven't really

32:02done any research, but the people that I know that are paying attention say a lot of what happened was when they lifted the ban on camping, the outdoor camping thing, all these people that used to stay in these shelters decided to just camp and they could do drugs. They're not they could do drugs, nobody [ __ ] with them. And then they go back to the shelters if they want food, right? I mean, yeah, my neighborhood I just moved out. I used to live near the Grove and I had to move out of there because it was so [ __ ] dangerous cuz it's like meth addicts. It's not just like people that are hard on their luck. Like it's drug addicts who are like violent. My I had the Citizens app which just pops up with all the [ __ ] horrible things happening which is like what a nightmare. But I'm glad I saw it because

32:43there was one one time I'm out walking my dog and a [ __ ] homeless guy went into some guy's backyard. Just random dude. He goes out. He's like, "What are you doing in my backyard?" Stabs him in the [ __ ] neck. That homeless guy was like on the run for the whole day just with a knife. Assaulted one other person, but he killed that guy. Yeah, he totally That was my street. Yeah, that's [ __ ] Like I'm just walking my dog. Well, and cops don't do anything. If someone jumps into someone's backyard, they don't arrest them. Like you have to do like $900 worth of theft before they'll even arrest you. Really? And if they do arrest you, they just put you right back on the street. And has it always been that way or is this after the defunding? After the defunding, that's the defunding of the police in Austin's been

33:22a disaster, too. And New York New York's been a disaster. It's It's terrible everywhere. It's a terrible idea. The idea that you're going to Also, the idea that you're going to send social workers to handle someone's domestic violence case is [ __ ] bananas. And there's a lot of people that don't understand violence that think that's okay. And you know, and they have this like utopian idea of like, we don't need the police, man. We're talking about defunding the police. We're talking about defunding the police. That's what we mean. And then guess what, [ __ ] When there's crazy gang lords roaming the streets controlling everything like certain parts of New York and then people get murdered. And you made it sound really cool. These gang lords, they're Yeah. wearing their pimp jackets. But people in gangs are Look, this is what's

34:10happening in Mexico could easily happen here with no police presence. People have to understand that diarrhea when you drink the water. I'm not quite familiar what's going on. No. Um uh cartels. Oh, okay. Cartels. Violent cartels. [laughter] Yeah, cartels. Reminds me of cartoons. My shirt. I don't think it's the same. It's a different word. Okay. [laughter] I Yeah. No, it was really weird because I was in the area that I lived. Um that's where Tony lived, too. They burned Yeah, they burned cop cars like in very near my house. He could He used to love that area. It was so beautiful. It was so nice and now it's all full of tents. It was really It was really rough. Do you know that they're spending [ __ ] Oh, you ready for this, Jamie? How about this? I'm going to send you this, Jamie, cuz this is [ __ ] crazy. Um,

34:50but as we're talking [ __ ] on Los Angeles, there's still homeless people here. Well, there's a thing. There's It's nothing in comparison. It's a smaller town. What's this? Instagram account. Yeah. Oh, this street people of Los Angeles were all like street people of Los Angeles is good. Gutter people of Los Angeles is better. That's my favorite. Oh my god, you guys. This is sad. Well, this was the video I was looking at that when you're talking about this like activist lady is trying to I guess help. But there's also a guy with a machete to stand Jamie. When you watched this the first time, what part did you come? He comes all the time. He just comes multiple times. Not as much as Tom Cigarette, but [laughter] yeah. Not like Tom. I'm gonna send you something, Jamie. Um this is uh you remember how Kolon Noir was on and

35:34he was talking about how uh the reason why the homeless situation never gets fixed is because so many people um are working on the homeless situation and they spend hundreds of millions of dollars. LA spent I thought it was there was no money. That's not the case. Hundreds of millions of dollars get spent on the homeless and thank you for your contribution to that. But you know where it goes to but you know where it goes to goes to the salaries of people working on the homeless. Oh wow. So this uh someone posted all the salaries of all these people. Look at they're all like six figures and more. Look at that. 254 $263,000 $198,000 $264,000. Like they make a shitload of money. You would think it is like it is a job you would want to pay people a lot cuz you want them you want like great money. This is a result. This is a puzzle. Like

36:20this is a puzzle someone needs to solve. But you you want results. When you get no results, you shouldn't get that much money. Exactly. And there's too many people. There should be like a committee of five people that are experts. You you need a lot of people to deal with the homeless situation in LA. It's 100,000 homeless people. You have you have Boulder, Colorado in LA in homeless. Like take the entire population of Boulder and make it homeless and then put it in LA. Boulder. So the opposite of that. Boulder's just these gorgeous fit hikers. Hikers. They're like they're hot but they're wearing those like toe shoes and like teas so you wouldn't bang them but you're like I understand they're taking like a yoga mat to the top of them. They got a yoga mat. They're wearing Joe Rogan. This is a story I heard in on the LA news that uh they had these they bought

37:07these things for the homeless shelter situation and they were just hanging out near Dodger Stadium unused until someone found them with like a drone one day. You know what? That's not going to fix anything either, man. I want one of those. They spent a bunch of money on it. Right. But here, so then you're going to get homeless people and they're going to live in these things. They're going to make it so however the way they want to. This guy's talking about they're going to live however the way they want to on in those things up there just doing drugs and lighting things on fire and and it's like nice living in LA. Like it's like the weather's beautiful. It's pretty nice. Well, that's why they like to go down the beach. It's very, you know, it's very maintained. The ocean air comes off. I think what they're doing I know they have beachfront uh property. They do.

37:48They're putting decks on. I'm like, you guys, this is crazy. You guys are living a better life than me. Venice is bananas. But Venice is um I think they did something where they're you can't loiter or litter or something. So now the homeless people are like cleaning. It's like cleaner. What the [ __ ] Or they can arrest them. So now you can't camp. How about that? Get the [ __ ] out of here. Yeah. And you know what I noticed the other day? There's people that are not quite homeless yet. That's how you know it's like these are drug addicts. Like it's like people that are not you see them like leaning into that life where you're like if they weren't allowed to camp they would probably it's just get their [ __ ] together. The whole thing is dumb. You can't allow people to camp on streets in the middle of nowhere. You just can't you just

38:30can't in the middle of your streets put tents up. You just can't allow that. You know they passed a ban on it here and today is supposed to be the day that the second phase goes into effect. I was going to say cuz I've been I can't allow my king to tell me there's no homeless people in his No, there's homeless people. There's just not a lot. Yes, there are. No, there's 2,000. 2 to 3,000. It's a small place. I see them everywhere. Well, there's a lot. I mean, in terms of like I'm telling you, I saw this obese homeless woman bottomless running across I mean, the amount of vaginas I see in this goddamn business, but she was running across wearing a mask. I was like, I was promised no mask and no homeless people, and I'm getting a mixture of both. Well, this is the most progressive air quotes city in Texas. So, you you'd get a lot of people that are still scared of the

39:14rona. They could double mask up when you go outside. You know what I will say about the masks though? What I I'm ready for them to be done, but on an airplane, I used to get sick all the time traveling. I might be one of the people that wears that mask cuz I judged the Asians back in the day for wearing the masks on the plane. I don't know if that's what it is. I think you were traveling a lot less now. And I also think you're probably taking care of yourself a little bit better because you're worried about the rona. Like most people now are starting to take vitamins and most people are really aware of vitamin C or vitamin D rather. They just did a study that showed that that vitamin D deficiency is a bigger comorbidity factor than even being obese. Now the vitamin D you're talking about is that the same you get from the sun?

40:01It's better if you get it from the sun. Yeah. But you can supplement and it's it's adequate. Am I noticing a tan on you or am I making that up? I go outside. Crazy. I go outside with my phone. Now, last night when I was talking to you on the phone and you were yawning, is that because you had been in the sauna? I was yawning on the phone. You seem tired and I kept going. I didn't I did not read the room. I don't I probably just yawned. Really? But yeah, but I was in the sauna cuz I saw the sauna picture. Did I talk to you after the sauna? I don't remember. I think so. I think I got out of the sauna when I called you. Yeah. I'm not I don't remember though. Not sure. It's just I do it every night. It's like a thing that I do. I just [ __ ] It's fine for the la until the last 10 minutes. The last 10 minutes when I write these sappy posts on

40:41Instagram like I am almost dead. I love when you're you're emotional roy. [laughter] Well, I've I'm very uh introspective and I feel very vulnerable when I come out of that place and I feel like that's like it's a good thing to express because I think a lot of people feel vulnerable and I think a lot of people also see people that are doing well and they think they're never vulnerable. Like I make myself vulnerable, you You know, I make myself vulnerable through workouts. I make myself vulnerable through jiu-jitsu and sauna and all kind and you know, stage creating comedy and all that [ __ ] too. But everybody's vulnerable. It's important. It's important to express and it helps people understand their own thing better. Yeah. When you do jiu-jitsu, you train with like you're not in a class, right? Sometimes. Yeah. But I've been doing out

41:24here, I've been doing a lot of privates because I'm trying to learn the leg lock game. I'm trying to uh because when I was doing jiu-jitsu regularly um it wasn't the leg lock revolution really happened about five years ago and I missed it. Yeah. So I understand it in in like a crude sense but I don't understand it like I know the rest of you you know like like I'm a black belt in jiu-jitsu but I'm not a black belt in leg locks. Yeah. We always did like a leg lock warm-up every day in every class. But honestly I'm like do I want to go back? Do you want to go back? I don't know. I have to think about it. Did you enjoy it? I did very much enjoy it. It's fun cuz it was There were a lot of girls, right? There was a lot of girls. Yeah, there were girls. I didn't feel like that was an issue, but it just was um it's dirty. It is dirty. Nobody washes their um rash guards.

42:14Well, they're mildwy. Yeah, they smell. Yes. That's the worst when you're rolling with someone and they stink. It's rough. And it's like I I know it's not about that. So, I'm trying to like, you know, mind over M. It's like, again, I'm on fear factor. Um, but it's just like and this ball sweat and all of it. It's just a lot. And you get someone that's the most sweaty. I bet you're [ __ ] sweaty as [ __ ] when you I sweat like crazy. Yeah, I'm sweaty, too. I mean, that's cuz I put in effort and I drink a lot of water. You know, you're supposed to sweat. I've been drinking mad [ __ ] water. Mad water. What is that? It's a new type of water. Um, sponsored by Mad TV. No. Um, just a lot of water. [clears throat] It's so good. It's Oh, did you pause? I coughed. I coughed. It made it louder on mine. No, it didn't. [clears throat]

42:57I thought like move it. I thought you were going to be like, "Move it along, [ __ ] Nobody wants to hear about your water." [clears throat] [laughter] See the difference? That's That's the cough button. We're like a regular I don't like that you stupid [ __ ] uh tone. What's that? I don't like that you stupid [ __ ] tone. What do you mean you stupid [ __ ] tone? I didn't know I had this. What? What are you saying? Your stupid [ __ ] tone. You saying I had a tone with you? No, I'm like just explaining it to you. You How [ __ ] sensitive are you? I'm wearing your shirt. You know I love you. Jesus Christ. No, I know you love me. I do. [laughter] I was telling Jamie I use your Tumblr. Oh, do you? I drink my JRE out of your Yeti tumbler. My Yeti. Nice. My Yeto. So, you're back in in doing shows.

43:40I'm doing shows. I'm having the most fun on the road. I'm on the road. You can check out my tour dates. I'm Do you bring anybody with you or do you go I'm trying to find the right person to bring with me cuz it's such a vibe, right? Like it's you need someone that's like cool to hang out with that knows boundaries like if I don't want to hang out too much or cuz I found like the couple gigs that I've done even though my openers are really nice. I'm there's I I can't handle that. The questions the energy is like something I'm not interested. Sometimes it's rough when you're trying to get ready for a show and they want to talk to you about stuff and ask questions and you're writing notes and you're like, "Hey man." Yeah. I don't want to be rude but and it's like I'm I don't want to be one of those people that's like no one's

44:13allowed in the green room, but it's like no one's allowed in the green room. I can't unless you know I find the right person. Well, the worst is when they bring friends. Like you have an opening act and they bring three friends in the green room and you and they start taking pictures. You're like, "Hey, hey, hey. What are we doing here? This is work." I know. And it's always up my feet. I'm like, "Those can't get out." Oh, don't you pixelate them all? I do. I've been pixelating quickly. [laughter] So, I um I'm doing two like really incredible shows that I'm really excited about. I'm doing my main tour is going to start in the fall, but I'm doing like I have a bunch of shows. I'm going all over the place. So, go to my website. You trying to do like small places? You trying to do? I'm doing clubs and then I'm doing like Carolines, which was where I first

44:52started where I That were your first It wasn't my first spot, but it was my first weekend. I worked with Jim Norton. Was my first um weekend working. Oh, that's nice. It was so fun. And I did their March Madness contest where I like waited in line like it was last standing, you know, and I did one minute in front of Lewis and I got passed on to the next round and I got really far. And that was like very early in my career. And then they kept my my stuff and then Norton wanted to likes to have a female opener so it like balances his act and so he picked me and I I opened for him and then I would went on the road with him for about a year or two. That's awesome. And learned so much but I'm finally I'm going back to headline for the first time in August. I'm so excited. That's your first time ever headlining in Caroline. Caroline. Yes. So it's like this weird

45:39full circle. I'm just having this such a good time coming back. I'm going to all these different places. My my thing will be coming out. I'm also doing a show for the Eagles. Not the band. No, not the band. Philadelphia where I'm from. So, I'm going back to Philadelphia at the Lincoln Financial Field. I'm doing the stadium that they play in. Yeah. It's through the Eagles. It's for this charity called Laughter Heels. How many people are going to be there? I don't know. I mean, that's like 50,000 people. It's going to be It's going to be so fun. But it's like a lot of Philly acts. It's going to be Big Jay. You going to say [ __ ] in front of 50,000 people? Of course, I'll say [ __ ] That's weird. Uh Eleanor Carrian's gonna be there, so she'll say [ __ ] Maybe if I'm bringing her up, I'll be like this

46:17[ __ ] Um Steve Simone's gonna be on it. It's really Craig's uh Craig Shoemaker's putting it together, but it's be so fun. Wow. And so it's just all comedy show or it's an all comedy show in a stadium. Jesus. And it's all like it's a charity through the Eagles for, you know, kind of bringing back like the excitement of being back on the road and everything coming back. And how long did you take off? I took off a lot of time, Joe. A lot. Like, how many months was it before you went on stage again? Um, I did some shows in Whitney's backyard, which kind of got me back into I don't think those count. You don't think those count? No. Okay. I felt like they did cuz it really did feel it was people I didn't know in the audience. No, they definitely count. Oh, it was so fun. I love my queen. She's awesome. I love her. She's a wild lady. That lady never stops

47:04working. She's always grinding. It's really unbelievable. It's really end. My boyfriend does clips for her, does like edit stuff for her. And so I see I mean this is a 247 job. This lady is her brain is gone. It's always it's always like it's always [ __ ] 50 different directions, 100 miles an hour. And I can always count on her. If I need advice, if I need help with something, she will always find time. Well, she's crazy, but she's wise. I love her. She's very wise. I love her. She's got work. I mean, I love the hustle. I I I respect work ethic more than almost anything in this life. when someone just always out there grinding, not making any excuses, just always hustling. That's her. She's never there. She's never like, "This business doesn't care about me. I don't get the breaks I deserve. I don't Bob, they want me to

47:51prove myself." There's none of that with her. It's with her. It's go go go. And once you get rid of that [ __ ] which is the stuff that I've like really worked on getting rid of over the pandemic, you just fly. I'm just feeling so good. Like I feel like a ray of light. Like I just feel so good. It's energy. Yeah. It's energy whether you look at it that way or not. Like people love to make excuses for why they're not as successful as they think they're they are. But when you do that and there's all these other people around you that are killing it. Do you really think there's some [ __ ] conspiracy against you? No. You're wasting energy. And that same kind of energy that you waste saying, "Why? What about me? What about I don't all these other people putting towards Exactly. It's a 100% energy waster. It's all it

48:33is. Doesn't do you any good." Just the like waiting for Hollywood like all the cancel culture [ __ ] all that stuff is you expecting Hollywood to pick you or something. Do you know what? It's just negative energy. It's negative energy for no [ __ ] reason. Is it It's like And it's also when people see someone like you who's doing well and they'll attack you. The only reason they're doing that is out of jealousy. That's it. That's it. Like if you don't someone doesn't like you or like your act, who gives a [ __ ] It doesn't matter. There's a lot of people that I don't like. I don't [ __ ] talk about it. If I work on like loving myself and guys get ready, can you do like a fake tear? I very much do and I did not before. I didn't realize that. When did it start? Over this this pandemic. I really

49:11love yourself before the pandemic. I mean, I liked myself, but I was I was really mad at myself. I was like being hard on myself. For real? Yeah. In what way? I just What was bothering you? I think that I just had this subconscious belief that I was just bad. It was just from childhood. just like this message that I got as a kid that I how I perceived how I was treated or something and I just clung to that. And I look at everything like the way I wasn't making money, the way I was like I felt so like I needed things, you know, and it it was because it was low self-esteem. Well, here's what's important. That's most of us. Yeah, that's most of us. Even me. Yeah. Yeah. That was me for a long time. Most of us feel inadequate. And then when you become successful, um we a lot of us have imposter syndrome. Yeah, you know, when things start doing well

49:59and even though you know you've worked hard and even though you you know like oh that was that show went well, you still you feel like an imposttor. But I've I've really worked on not doing that anymore because I would have so much anxiety even performing. This is something I've done every single night, multiple times a night for 12 years and I'm going to the show going like [gasps and sighs] I hope they like me or whatever. It's all external validation instead of going like I'm proud of my work. I love what I do and I can't wait to get on that stage and do it. And it's just changed everything and being like, I'm here to like entertain these people. We're going to have this experience together. And it's been insane. I just sold out Brea. I'm just starting to sell shows out. That's awesome. Yeah. I'm really It's been really amazing. Did you read books?

50:40I've been taking Okay. So, I've been listening to this podcast uh by this guy Jim Foron. The Jim Foron show. Foron like Norton before. Yeah. But with Foron? Yeah. And I I signed up for a coaching course of his and it's changed my life. Really? I've never in my life. It's just it's a 14-week course and each week builds on the next week and it's just starts with subconscious reprogramming. So he used to be a hypnotist and he works with a shaman. So it's like brain science and um ancient with like spiritual wisdom and it's just been like I just can't believe it. How did you find out about him? I randomly was listening to a podcast. I went to um on the this podcast the adult chair that's this really amazing woman Michelle Shaunt that I listen to and then she had him on and it led me to him and this just it's like I really feel like the universe gave me this this

51:32curriculum and this it's just like so cool. It's just what his it I I just the program is just amazing. It's like no excuses. I'm 100% accountable for my life 100% of the time. And now that I have that that view and I do these uh I do meditations every night. I do um what do you call it? Visualizations. And I'm reprogramming this subconscious thought of like I'm not worthy. I'm not good enough. And I now am approaching things. I mean you can get it anywhere. These are all things I've heard before, right? You know, I've gotten advice from people. I've read a lot of self-help and stuff, but for some reason, the way he does it for me is like at this very moment in my life is exactly what I need. Wow. So, just a big shift. A huge shift. And I feel Yeah. I just money has just come your way. Just come my way. Oh, interesting. Congratulations on that.

52:26I was listen to this. So, I was living in this I was living in this uh I mean, it's maybe a laughable amount to other people, but to me it's huge. But um I was living in this apartment building when the pandemic hit that got bought by another company and they started doing construction. They were like buying people out. For some reason they didn't offer to buy me out. I just wasn't home the day they were knocking on doors. So I was living in a construction zone where they were doing construction around my apartment bottom next to me. I'm just like in hell. I got an ulcer. I was for I just was like in so much stress. Why didn't you call somebody to see if they'll buy you out? I did and they refused. Really? But I thought you [ __ ] everybody else out. Exactly. And I thought like, oh, I'll just wait it out. Eventually they'll buy

53:13us out. And so I was waiting and waiting and waiting in this terrible environment, miserable, like really like suffering. And my boyfriend and I went to see visit our families for the first time after the pandemic. And I just had this like loving wonderful place. I was taking this new course and the one of the things that Jim talks about is like do not be a victim of your circumstances. So my circumstances were bad. You know, my circumstances were that I was living in this shitty apartment and I was like I'm too, you know, the past me would have been I'm too broke to move. We came home and they had boarded up like it was a Black Lives Matter r like rally like boarded up the entire front of our building. There was just this little narrow hallway to go in to the It was insane. It's like I can't live here. They took our laundry away.

54:01They moved our mailboxes outside so that homeless people could just take our mail. Really? And then Yeah. It was just so many crazy things cuz I think they were just trying to get us to leave, right? But I was in this like fight with them. Is that legal? I don't think it's legal, but I you know, I don't care because I got the [ __ ] out of there. I went, we were walking up and I said to my boyfriend, I go, "This is the last month we live here. I don't give a [ __ ] how we do it." I open up my mailbox. I get a there's a check from the IRS or not a check from the IRS, a letter from the IRS. I start to go to my normal panic like, "Oh [ __ ] I owe the IRS money." Instead, I like took a breath. I'm like, "I'm paying money for this course. Let me use this course." I go, "I'm not like, you know, money is

54:41not a thing I'm scared of or whatever." I open it up. It's a check for $6,000 for a year that they forgot to pay me. So, we moved out immediately, got a new lease in a beautiful place near the beach, and it was like done. And my life has been Do you think you made that happen with your mind? I don't think I made that happen with my mind. You think you might have? Maybe. Do you think maybe? Maybe. Do you think Jim would tell you you made it with your mind? I don't I think maybe maybe he would say male shaman mind with my girly shaman mind. I know. I maybe you know what I've been using too? What Duncan told me this when he did a episode of my podcast, Me inspiration, which I'm coming back with my solo podcast, rebranding it soon. You're not going to call it Me Inspiration? I think I'm just gonna call it the Annie Letterman show. I like that better. Yeah. Yeah.

55:25And so, subscribe to Annie Letterman YouTube because that will be coming soon. And um when are you gonna start that? I want to start it as soon as possible. Maybe when I go back um I got some, you know, maybe in July. Okay. But I want to get I have like ideas for my set. I have a whole vision of what I want to do. And you're going to have a a set in LA. Mhm. Do you know where you're going to do it? Don't tell anybody because they'll [ __ ] stalk you. But do you have a spot? I had a spot I was looking at, but the room's too small and I'm just open to looking at other studios and but I'm really excited and um what was I saying? Oh, Duncan came on my podcast. So, if you guys do go to my YouTube watch, look up the Duncan episode. It's my favorite thing I've ever done. It was me and Duncan for like two hours. Just I cried like we were just in it. I

56:14just love him. He's the best. He is just this sweet ray of light and I just these things out in you. He's just an angel. And I honestly feel like, you know, when I look at him, when I look at you, those are the things that I love about you guys that I'm like, like I want to that's what I aspire to be is someone that's like a light, you know, not I don't need to go up there and be mad at an audience or there's no reason, you know? No, this is too much fun. And it's so fun. But he said this thing to me on the podcast where he said, um, I don't remember the name of the guy whose theory it is, but it's the idea of proya. Did he mention that on your podcast? So, it's instead of paranoia where you're assuming that the universe is conspiring against you, you just assume they're conspiring for you. So, that whenever anything happens, and

57:01that type of thought process has helped me because even if you think about it, if I'm thinking, okay, something horrible happened, um, oh no, what am I going to do? But if I look at it and I go, oh, this is a shift now, and now I'm moving on to something better. And then I'm looking for the positive and the good opportunities. So, so you're looking at things with a healthier perspective and that in turn leads to more success. Yes. Yeah. And then you're not wasting time doing that woe is me [ __ ] or being why her, why him, what about me, why they. Yeah. Well, non-binary. Got to cover the non-binary folks. Yeah. That's um that's a really good way to look at things. And everyone has their own challenges. Yeah. Yeah, as much as you like to think that they don't and you like to think that it's all, you know, that's the thing about

57:49narcissists, right? They always want to think they're the only ones who are struggling. So, they always want to talk about their struggles. But everybody struggles. We're all struggling. It's hard. Life's weird, you know? And even if you're doing well, like financially, you probably have emotional struggles. There's always things going on. Well, nothing's like there's no control in this world. So, it's like, you know, if there is, it doesn't last. You you you're renting time here. Yeah. you know, but I feel really Yeah, I just feel really good. I had a really amazing time with my family this weekend. I posted a video of I always surprise my nieces. I don't know if you've seen it on my Instagram. No, I'm always like popping out of boxes or something, but I hadn't seen them in a year and a half. So, my brother and I made this video. Do you want would you

58:31play it, Jamie? It's on my Instagram. You're going to die because you're going to laugh. There's some things I want to talk to you about what I did not think through. So, when we did this, I was like, um, they hadn't seen me in so long. I was like, I'll wear my leopard print jacket to help them like so they know it's me ahead of time cuz they know me by it. She thought I was a [ __ ] tiger. Look at her stance. Look how she's But they're excited to see you. They're so excited. You don't have to They then go inside and see my family and stuff, but it's just so funny because they go, "We thought you were a tiger." And I didn't even think about this. They were at soccer practice and then they were in the [ __ ] Jungle Book. Like, oh, dude, last night, okay, last night on my security camera, there was a big black cat, like a 60, 70 lb

59:33[ __ ] something or another. Well, I don't know what it See, the thing about Texas is this is a real issue. There's more tigers in captivity in Texas than all of the wild of the world. Really? Because of like rich just people just have a [ __ ] fence. I want a tiger and you could just have a tiger here cuz because of freedom. Freedom America. Like zebras. Like my wife saw a zebra once. She was driving down the road. She saw [laughter] a [ __ ] [ __ ] zebra. Zebras just get out, right? Like people have zebras and they just get out sometimes. Well, whatever [laughter] this thing was, it's like a Panther. No, you cannot. Are they short? No, they're horse-sized. They're It's a [ __ ] horse. A wild horse that cannot be tamed. No one has ever been able to tame a zebra. It's like trying to ride a

60:15wolf. Like, get the [ __ ] out of here. I relate. Maybe my spirit. Anyway, I'm in the middle of this. Sorry. Outside of my [ __ ] house, there is a a a big black cat. Like a black panther. I'm like like as big as my dog, you know? My dog's like 80 lb. This thing is like that size. probably like a little less than him, but it's a big [ __ ] black cat. You see its eyes on the security camera walking down. And then my neighbor who walks his [ __ ] dog at night, his dog is like on death's door, right? It's like sweetheart of a dog, but And he's got a head lampamp on the dog. No, the the neighbor. [ __ ] This dog's like trying to tell a story and you're [ __ ] up my flow. [laughter] This guy punchines. Excuse me. This guy is dragging his [ __ ] dog, right? He you know the dog walks slow

61:03and he's kind of pulling him along on the leash. The cat runs towards them. I'm thinking I'm going to see a murder. Were you a little excited to be honest? No. No, because I had found out about it after the fact. I know he was okay. But it like it ran towards him and then decided last second to dart off into the woods. But like it heard the footsteps, turned the tail, and it just goes running towards him like it thought he was a [ __ ] deer or something. But it was creep. It was a big black cat. Yeah, I'm like more concerned. How are these people able to walk their dogs so close to my king's home? I don't like this. Wow. They live in the neighborhood. They're walking around. But it's uh this [ __ ] cat is wandering around in like a residential neighborhood. Crazy. And it's because it's from someone else's house.

61:49I don't know what it is. When I looked it up, I just typed in uh black panthers in Texas in the wild. And what comes up is from not that long ago. It says the wildlife officials say they don't exist in Texas and what you probably saw is a black hog or otter. I'm like not possible. I thought you were going to say it was like a black I have a video. It's a black cat. There's no doubt about it. No if ends or but I know what a hog looks like. They look totally different. A hog is a big bodied thing with with little tiny ass legs. I'm right here. Okay. And I'm still wearing my half shirts. I don't give a [ __ ] Black Panthers did not exist in the Lone Star State. That's not true. I don't like Lonear. It's not so sad. It's not. It could have been back up. Yeah, that's my whole point. Go back up. Listen, that's what it looked like. No

62:37[ __ ] [ __ ] That is 100% gorgeous eyes. That is a hot sexy animal. If I was a girl, I'd want to get [ __ ] by that. Listen, my dad might be upset, but if I was a girl cat, see those things, black panthers, what they are is um it's uh the spots, but the spots are all over their whole body. Oh, really? Yeah. So, what that is is like a jaguar. Is their skin, if you shaved it, is their skin dark? I don't believe so. I don't know, though. Might be. Um, show me uh like Google Jag black jaguar spots. Well, there's this thing. Jaguar unundies. The mystery of the Texas Black Panther sighting solved. The year before that. I don't know. I mean, I saw this, too. Jaguar undies. Those sound hot. Do they come in thongs? One of my security guys said he saw one in the woods and he was I think he said he was walking his dog, too. And he saw

63:31one in the woods, a black panther. He said it was just like that. And he was the one who spotted this thing on the camera. So, they're [ __ ] Listen, I have a video of it. It's 100% real. So those [ __ ] from Texas Wildlife need to shut the [ __ ] up. I got a video. This thing is real. They're probably saying, well, they probably are saying there's none like just in the habitat, but it's because here's here's why they don't know that. Jaguars in particular have been spotted in the wild in Arizona. And they didn't think they used to exist in Arizona. They thought they were extrapated. Pull up pull up Jaguars in Arizona. It's going to be the cars. There's a lot of retired people. I can't help it, Joe. They're new cars. Jaguars. They still make them. They're not. What's the car? Okay. When I make it

64:14when I make my big bucks coming up here. What's my car? I think you need a convertible. Look at you. Really? I want a Tesla first. See, these are Jaguars in uh in Arizona. Pretty. Beautiful. Gorgeous animal. But you know, I want to just wear that jacket. Just get a fake one. Of course. I would never get a real one. Don't murder the jack. I would never. So, someone killed that one. The lower leftand corner. That was the that they killed it in Mexico. That was like a famous jaguar. It was one of the two remaining jaguars in the US. It says two remaining jaguars in the US, but I'm pretty sure they killed it in Go. No, no, no. Go back. Go back. Um Well, that's really sad. See the lefthand corner and right above right below related images. See known Jaguar shown as right there. Yeah, click on that one cuz that article um it explains how they know it roamed

65:06southern Arizona 2016 but they killed it in Mexico. Interesting to wear a matching dress with the background. Does she have a matching Jaguar dress? Let me No, I'm just saying no. She was wearing a blue Oh, where the background was blue? You're such a girl. I can't help it. I tried not to be. I do. H doesn't say. Anyway, I I'm 90 90% sure they killed it in Mexico, but they live in Mexico. They live in Mexicoish. Yeah, it doesn't look Look at those slides. Um, they live in Does it say killed by a mountain lion hunter? It's a rumor that it was Oh, he heard someone trapped or killed one in Mexico. In Sonora, Mexico. Yeah, that's what I heard, too. Um, but my point is that in South America they're plentiful, right? They live in the jungle like in the Amazon. They're very dangerous. Like they jack people all the time. They're big. It's a big animal. What do they do to them?

66:01They eat them. Oh, they kill them. They eat people. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know when people do Iwasa and they do it in the Amazon, they have all these images of jaguars and there's jaguars and snakes are like a big part of the the natural imagery. Yeah. I did mine in Chicago. I was just thinking deep dish pizzas and they think they're taking on the spirit of the jungle and that this is like you like all the things you're afraid of in the jungle and all the things that are in control and the wild and the powerful forces of the jungle. I don't know. Are you going to do Iawaska? Yeah, I'll definitely do it. I did it. Yeah, I did it with a shaman that came here. I literally did it in San Diego and Chicago. [laughter] Jamie and I are planning on doing DMT together soon. I can I do it with you? When are you going back home? When are you leaving? Are you leaving today?

66:47I am leaving today. Can I do it next time I come? 100%. I really would love to do it with you. I did it. Yeah, let's do it. It's so funny. I was talking to Jamie about this guy we know that he would always be hitting the pen and he's like, "I think I broke through." And I'm like, "Dude, that's like an odu." Like, you don't know what the [ __ ] You wouldn't think you broke through. Yeah. There's no idea. It's not You don't question whether you had No, there's no this experience. But yeah, I most people take take little baby hits. That's No, I was like I did this whole ceremony. I took three cups. I was I was out for about eight hours. Did you uh see things? Yeah. What' you say? I saw Well, it was right after Brody died and I I It was Thank God I did it right then. Honestly, it was really helpful because I was really having this like moment of

67:28like hugging him and feeling like how sad he must have felt and then I purged like a egg out of my mouth. Whoa. It was like an egg and then it it got like pushed out and then a bird flew out of my mouth and I think that was like my guilt about surrounding the Brody stuff, you know. You had guilt about Brody? just I had just talked to him like that like that Wednesday before he passed away, you know, and we had been talking about he was like, "My meds are weird. I'm just not feeling right." And I just didn't, you know, it's not an appropriate thought like that's not my responsibility. I couldn't have stopped it. But I just I think I just was, you know, I was just It's always that way whenever someone kills himself. It's always that horrible feeling. Well, you could have done more. Yeah. But it was really Brody. I remember Brody had talked to me about

68:14his meds years ago and then he was okay. I remember there was one time where he got off his meds and he was he's he was acting really strange and he would get like real angry on stage and everything and then a few of his friends reached out to me and said, "Hey, you know, don't engage with Brody. He's off his meds. We need to figure out a way to get him back on his meds." And then he got back on him. He was fine. And he was like, "I got to dial him in. I got to dial him in." Yeah. He was definitely having to manage a lot. What was he on? Do you know? I don't I don't know. I think it was Lexro, but I don't know. I don't want to say because I don't know for sure. But um yeah, that was like it was it was an interesting time for me to do it. I did it with Curtis Nelson. Yeah. Our boy. Where'd you guys go? We went to It was like No, the Chicago one I did um without

69:06Curtis, but it was the same shaman. It was uh we went to this place outside of San Diego. It was a in the desert. It was a really beautiful like yoga center, retreat center and it was really it was really amazing. I'm really glad I did it. They need to open up centers in this country. They really do. There's so many people that have PTSD. There's so many people that are emotionally damaged that could be helped by this, especially if they did it with like real professionals. Yeah. And they could regulate it with them. They could make sure they're not Make sure they give them the right dose for their body weight. make sure that they give them real stuff, make sure they're in a protected environment with counselors and so they don't have to worry about being That's what I was thinking too. I was like, you know, after it would have been

69:48really cool if I was able to touch base with someone after my experience with IAS because I do think a lot of the things I learned are now kind of falling into place two years, three years later. But it would have been interesting to be able to like record all my thoughts right afterwards and my experience and then have someone that was trained and there to kind of go over it and kind of touch base and integrate back in. Is IWAS like DMT in that when you have the the experience like afterwards it's so vivid but it goes away quickly like the memory of it. It's almost like your brain is trying to protect you from the memory of the experience. I I remember it. I do remember it and I think that you know what I really and I remember Curtis being like you should write everything down and I'm like I'm too like I can't. I was like so

70:33like just in this experience I just had such a beautiful hard but gorgeous experience, you know? It was like so disgusting and beautiful. I always think when people say write things down, that's a good idea. A better idea is recording. Yes, I should have done that cuz that I did a recording of one of my DMT experiences. Yeah. Well, yeah. It's when you just catapult out of the DMT thing. But I um Yeah. No, I really cuz it's extended over so many hours and and then the next day it was this whole weekend process. But it really I do remember a lot. I I dealt a lot with this with my fear of my own dad's death and and which he's not my dad is still alive, but I was always kind of this dealing with this inevitable future pain now. And I was bringing this negativity into my experiences with him. And I had a whole like eulogy for him. And I could feel his like body in my

71:28body. I'm always like that's the only time it's okay for your dad to be inside you. But it was like I could feel and I was like he is me so I'm never going to lose that. Like I we are each other. You know, we're all the same tribe. So I really kind of got that that feeling. And uh but it was great. It was really beautiful. And the fear of loss, of potential loss can be really crippling. It really [ __ ] people up when you're worried about losing things. I was having a conversation with this comic and uh in Austin, he was like, "The Austin scene right now is so amazing." He's like, "I'm just I'm worried it's not going to last." And I was like, "But it's here right now, right?" Like what are you thinking like that for? Yeah, but man, how long is this going to last me? It's so good. What if it goes away? I go, "Hey, hey, what is this what if shit?"

72:11You know what that is, though? That's living in the past because that's that's you going back to an experience where the other shoe has dropped. Do you know what I mean? Well, it's because you're waiting for it. It's because he's coming up. You know, he's on the way up, right? And so Tony Henchcliffe, one day he's going to make it. That's not who it was. He's on his way up and he's not totally confident that, you know, this is re, you know, sometimes when people have uh like a path, a career path, and then they divert to try standup. They always have this feeling feeling like they have one foot on the other base like well I could always go back to being a lawyer and they're like stretching and they're like but I want to be a comic and the saddest [ __ ] in the world is when they never commit and then they never make it.

72:51Well I always look at that too like sometimes those people that have had success in another career are they think they're they have a different type of entitlement. There's a lot of entitlement in comedy. I I've suffered from it. I'm very guilty of it. Entitlement how? Well, just like you you want it you want something. You're not at a place yet and you want it and you go like why don't I have this? Like what we were talking about earlier when you're like these people have this, why don't I have this? Like I've changed that because I have my path is going to be like no one else's. Your path is like no one else's. We don't there's no like pre-written thing. This is like, you know, this is an ocean job. I always say it's like you're either getting sucked under, you're up on the wave. It's like moving all the time. You have no clue.

73:31We don't have these land jobs. Yeah. Exactly. And for you to think that you were supposed to have something means that there's a specific path that just doesn't exist. But anyway, so um so these people that have these jobs that have success in them then come into comedy and it's almost like they want this rollover success like because I was here there. So then they have this like anxiety of not being like at that level that they were at this other thing. I' I've experienced it just with people coming up and um you know it's like you just got to you got to start over and you got to just take the hits but you don't it's how you get good. Well, you have to just look at what you're doing and improve upon what you're doing and don't look at it like you have these expectations. The problem is you know when people have expectations often times they're either

74:21unrealistic or they're not grounded and centered in the reality of the circumstances you find yourself in and you wanted things to be better. Like people have like [ __ ] vision boards. In three years I'm going to be on Showtime. Like listen [ __ ] just [ __ ] get better. Yeah, in three years if Showtime's around, good luck. Showtime will be around. I'm just [laughter] kidding. How dare you? You're still bitter about the Comedy Store documentary. No, I love the Comedy Store doc. What? Could I have had a better most? That episode with us was beautiful. It was beautiful. Very happy with it. Yeah, the one on the rooftop. Yeah, it was great. No, the rooftop one I wasn't didn't care for. So edited. It was very edited. We had these long conversations. and they took like these tiny little snippets of it and I was like,

75:00"Yeah, that was a long fun weird night on that roof." It was fun. I got to get to know Paul Rodriguez. I never really hung out with him before. Yeah, Paul was on fire. And we found out that Paul had CO. Oh, really? He didn't even know that day. No, no, he had had CO. Sorry. Oh. Oh. Cuz he got the Yeah, we we brought in we brought in um uh uh the um tests. We brought in nurses to test everybody cuz they were worried about everybody being up on the roof together. And I'm like, "Well, just test everybody." And then Paul had the [ __ ] antibodies, which is kind of crazy. He He goes, "Yeah, I was sick. I didn't know." He goes, "But it wasn't that bad." Yeah. You know, Paul was like [ __ ] hardcore partyier for like 45 [ __ ] years. He's still sweaty. He's still up there with his hat all sweaty. Yeah, he was a little sweaty. But Burr

75:44was up there with us and Jay Leno. It was a good time. Imagine you're me on that rooftop. I mean, that was amazing. That was so funny. It was the first time I was meeting Jay Leno. Jay Leno was like, "I love your stuff." I was like, "What?" Oh, it was like just was so It was really incredible. That's wild. And that um the the piece that they did on me on that for on that same episode with you was so I mean I am really touched by it. I really was very very validation, right? It's like you're you're on the path. I was getting texts from like Lou. I was getting texts from all the It was just like It just felt so good. That's cool. That's very cool. And uh yeah, it felt great. It was really nice. Yeah. I felt like um you know whenever there's things like that that have like uh like these conversations to impose a time limit on that that's the that's the

76:28beautiful thing about podcasts right as opposed to like a regular regular television show where you have to you know has to be 44 minutes long or whatever it is with showtime an hour I guess but it's you you get you you miss stuff you have to kill some of it. Yeah, like it's all about context, right? Like these conversations that we had on the roof where we're going over road gigs and material and you know and Jay Leno was all into being clean and we were That was a very interesting debate. Like the world missed that. Well, did he keep it in? I didn't watch that episode. No, it's he removed it. But Jay Leno is from a time where it mattered if you were clean or dirty because if you were clean, you could get on television. Mhm. If you were dirty, you could not and you would have to work the road. So, he his mindset cuz he was talking about financial

77:20success, which was the most bizarre conversation of all time because he's sitting next to me who's super [ __ ] dirty [laughter] and I'm like, "Okay, I I want to be nice cuz I love Jay Leno." I'm like, "This is so crazy." Like, you're right. I'm right here. Like, this is such a dumb conversation. Like, he maybe doesn't know what is going on with you. He might just not know cuz he's paying attention to TV. He knows cuz I know that him and Binder were talking about me selling out arenas and he didn't believe it. He's like, "What?" You know, cuz he's he's just he's not on the internet, you know? He's in he's under the hood [ __ ] turning monkey wrenches and [ __ ] I know he thinks things are going well, but I just don't think he understands, you know? It's like he's from a different time. There was no arena sellers.

78:02Think about how upsetting that would be if he really got that he had to do all of that stuff and you got to just be yourself. I mean, that's got to suck. He's himself when he does the car show. Jay Leno is so good on that Jay Leno's Garage. He's [ __ ] excellent at it. From coming from someone like me who's a total gear head, I [ __ ] love cars and he loves cars and I love doing that show with him. I don't I never enjoyed doing late night talk shows cuz I always felt like it was fun, but it's not fun like hanging out at the store. It's not fun like hanging out with a friend. Doing Jay Leno's car show is fun because you're hanging out with something. You have a common interest. You're chatting. He has it. He has it. He's so plugged in. When you're doing a car show with that guy, he loves it. So, I I was on

78:49his show with my 65 Corvette. So, me and him are talking and we're all like, "Ah, like the engine and the [ __ ] the shapes of the cars back then and look at the interior and a manual shifter and all this stuff." And it's like we're totally on the same page and synced up and he's 100% himself. Like who Jay Leno is off camera, that's how he is on camera when he's talking about cars. He just gets to be himself. But when he's doing the Tonight Show, he's got to be the host of a television show and it's all buttoned down. It's kind of stiff and you know, you're waiting for the next thing and I just feel like that would be so much pressure. I know all the I've known people that have written on those shows and they're you see the the life leave their eyes. They're just like the work load is insane. You have to write a whole new monologue every day.

79:32You barely get to test it. Jay Jay used to go on um he used to do Comedy Magic Club in Hermosa every Sunday night and he would run over like a week's worth of material. Like you'd have to practice it in front of the audience. And so people would come to see it and then hope that they would see those jokes that week on the Tonight Show. But it's like that world is people that don't understand the world of podcast. It's a different world now. Like it's changed. It's like the difference between radio and TV and then there's TV and podcast. It's that much of a monumental shift. Do you think Jay would come on and talk to you about it? He has been on. Oh, really? He's been on. He was great. He told a [ __ ] story about being at a mob club. He told a story about doing a gig for a mob for a mobster and the mobster screaming at a priest about having

80:19already I gave you your [ __ ] money like screaming at this like like dangerous mobsters. He told some wild road stories. It was really fun. Yeah, I really that was a very I didn't even know I was going to love him as much as I loved him. I mean, I've always been a fan, but it was really He's great, but he's just from that weird world where they worry about clean or dirty, you know? I was on stage with her and everyone I'm like, what are you who are you talking to? Is dirty, too. It's like it's so crazy like the most successful people here are dirty and Brit Whitney's [ __ ] dirty, too. And she's right there, too. But it's like I mean, her [ __ ] special was called Can I Touch It? Yeah. I mean, but also he loved my piece in the comedy documentary, and I did like a period [ __ ] joke. Like, you know what I Like

80:57I just think in his mind that was his world when he was coming up, you know, and in in his world, he was correct. Like his decisions led him to be much more financially successful. You know, all that stuff that he has, like if you see Jay Leno's garage, he has like 11 garages filled with millions of dollars worth of cars. He bought all that with standup money. He never touched his Tonight Show money. Never touched it. All of it's in a bank. Does he have kids? No. No. That's why he's got that much [ __ ] time to do that kind of [ __ ] But he's that was his world back then. His world was you got to be clean. If you want to get on television, the only way to be get to get famous is to be on television. Nowadays, that's not the world. The world is a different place. I had a booker tell me once, um, I was really happy with my set, too. It was

81:45like maybe like five years ago. I had just gotten into this stride where I was so happy with my set and it was dirty, but I was just so happy with it. And this booker was like, "You're great and everything, but you really like you need to appeal to a Christian audience." And I was like, "What?" Who said that? Don't say it. I won't say. I'll tell you later. Yeah. You might not know him, honestly. And I forgive him for that, honestly, cuz I really did hold on to like being so pissed at him about that. And I'm like, why did I He's just trying to help me. It was just his idea of it was so off from what was true to me. And what I'm thinking about like even with this movie I'm writing with Bonnie, my agent, who I do really love, I finally have an agent I love. I can't believe it. Ryan. Um, but he he was like, "Oh, I'm going to set you up with these people that are

82:26going to tell you like what the what the different studios are looking for." I'm like, "I don't give a [ __ ] what the studios are looking for. I'm going to make what I love, and then if they want to get on board, they want to get on board. But I'm not I'm no longer here to serve other people. I'm here to like make what I love, and that's how I would like to serve other people, you know?" Well, that's the best way to do it because if you do make what you love, it will resonate with people. But if you don't, if you try to make what they love, maybe some people will like it, maybe some people won't, but you won't like it, right? And if I like it and everyone else hates it, I can take that hit cuz I believe in it. But it won't. If you like it, other people will like it. Again, Bonnie and I are like crying laughing writing this movie.

83:01Yeah. I'm telling you, it's going to work. It'll work. Yeah. I'm just so There's always going to be people giving you [ __ ] terrible advice like that. That's just always going to happen. But also, it's such a weird because the industry is changing. Nobody really knows, you know, and the the industry folk are really just trying to find their way in. I got yelled at once by this really mediocre comedian when I was an open micer. He was the host of the open mic night [snorts] and he was so mediocre. He was just so like, you know, he was a local middle act that was like barely passable. He would get a couple of chuckles on stage. He was nobody's favorite comedian. He just wasn't that good. But when he would see comics doing well, he would give you all kinds of advice and tell you what you were doing wrong because he hated talent. It was

83:47really weird. Like you could see like when there was sparks. So he was he told me to stop swearing. Oh god. He told me try to make all those jokes work without swearing. [laughter] And I was like what are you talking about? Like but isn't that how you talk normally? He goes yeah but this isn't normal. You're on stage. I know. It's like uh okay, you are [ __ ] terrible. Some people do do acts. Like some people are a character and they heighten themselves and that's I'm totally cool with that. That's not what I do though. I've been spending my entire time while I'm doing comedy trying to be more myself on stage. That's just how I like to do it. Yeah. It's wrong. Yeah. Listen, there's nothing wrong with an act, but to tell someone that they have to do an act is stupid. This tastes good. It's pretty damn good, right? Yeah. Killcliffe pineapple jalapeno. I'm

84:33drinking this [ __ ] and so then I need this stuff to count balance you out. Yeah, this has got vitamin B in it. This is why this is why I I'm about to [ __ ] myself on stage every day. 300 milligrams caffeine. I'm always just like caffeine then. Yeah, but this stuff is so delicious. These uh black rifle espressos, they're so good. Triple shot of espresso. I'm not getting paid for this. It says natural caffeine. Like anybody gives a [ __ ] if it's natural or I mean isn't all just it's all just molecules. Like what's natural? comes from the ground. I will naturally have hemorrhoids from this, but it's okay. You get hemorrhoids from [ __ ] If I from [ __ ] No, from if I drink I could blast my ass out with coffee. Why? It It's like a dehydration. Drink water. Here, have some water. Oh my god. Here we are back again.

85:18Have some water. What the [ __ ] are you doing? I don't understand. I don't understand how. [laughter] Don't do that. I have to drink out of that. You [ __ ] selfish. You think I'm dirty? You might be. You said I smell good. You do smell good. I'm selfish. It's a little weird to drink out of the pitcher. I was doing a bit slobery mouth. I was doing a bit. Yeah, but you spit in there now. Now I'm going to have to have Jeff bring out another picture. Hey, bring bring on the pictures. [laughter] Dude, you can spit in my mouth. You catch your picture. Oh, thank you so much. And CO's over. Yeah, we can spit each other's mouths again. I'm so glad I wasn't single during co trying to [ __ ] during co all the kinky [ __ ] You can't even like Well, some people they put masks on and [ __ ] Really? Yeah.

86:00I I have a joke where I've been starting to use I've started using condoms over the pandemic. Yeah. Call them dick masks, but I'm like these are crazy. But there's a punch line. But you have to come see me to go to Andy.com to see my tour. Have you seen the helmets that we have out there? Are they penis helmets? Oh, yes. The ones with the Yeah. Reggie Watts sent me that. Oh, those are Reggie. I was wondering. I was like, is this He told We ordered it, but Reggie Reggie told us about it. He was uh he was going to travel with them in the early days of the pandemic. So funny. How does his hair fit in? I [ __ ] love that dude. Oh, he's amazing. He's a true artist. He's so sweet. He's such a true artist, but he's also so smart. He knows so many things. Like, just talk to him about He's a gearhead, too. And so, we start talking about cars

86:43and he takes it like many levels past me into like suspension geometry and the way they use their torque vectoring system to I can't even imagine him in a car. I can only imagine him in like one of those giant like the the wheel What are those called? Hamster wheels. No. You know those like bikes that have like a little wheel? Oh, no. He loves cars. He He rented a Ferrari when he was here. Really? Yeah. He show Ferrari. He should. Next time I'm renting a Let everybody know you're a boss [ __ ] That's what your license plate should say. Boss [ __ ] Boss [ __ ] Oh my god. I don't want people to know. You know Tony had his eye roast. Yeah. thing. You don't like that? I don't want people to know it's me. I want Right. Don't you want like anonymity? But I do I also want a Tesla that's like leopard print, but I don't.

87:27That's what I was gonna say. You need a leopard print. I need a leopard print Tesla. You need a leopard print something. You see Kim Kardashian's car she had like in fur? It was the whole thing was red. No, but I do want to say this. There was an article in Time magazine yesterday that I saw on Twitter where they were calling out t Kim Kardashian for black fishing and appropriating black culture because she had braids on. That's all she was doing. Yeah. with this. You know where I stand. But anyway, the comments in the Time magazine post were 100% against Time magazine for saying that. Oh, really? They're like, "Cut the [ __ ] [ __ ] All she did is have braids. They got to stop." And this is also white people writing these things like to try to get rile up a thing so they can sell more stuff. It's like clickbait. But it's just trying to get

88:14people outraged for no [ __ ] reason. It's It's a strange It's such a strange time when it comes to that stuff. There's so much of that going on right now. I know. But I think it's going to come to an I'm just not engaging. I'm not There's just so many people that that's their thing. Their thing is calling people out. I mean, there's so many weasly non-talented little [ __ ] and that's what they do. They just try to find people that they can call out and exaggerate things and distort things. And if they're not comics, I don't care as much. You know, when comics do it, it's like, come on, guys. No good comics do that. Every comic that does that sucks. All of them. They all suck. The reason why they do it is cuz they suck. Yeah. Otherwise, they would be concentrating on themselves. Or if they don't suck, they're definitely not at their full

88:56potential. If they if they were at their full potential, they wouldn't even think like that. I just Yeah. I just tap out of it. I'm not good. Good for you. The people that concentrate on other people like that, they almost always suck. That's just a fact. I've gotten off of Twitter. I just go on Twitter to like I post a few things here and there, but I don't ever read it and stuff. My twin brother's always on Twitter and he seems to love it. He works at um at uh NBC Sports in Boston. So he does like the Celtics. It's good for sports. It's good for news. So he he likes it. But I just don't I mean the most I hear about Twitter is from him pretty much. It's a terrible way for human beings to communicate when they're communicating in text with no context, right? It's just like this little this little thing. Then other people communicating in text.

89:40You're not seeing the person. You're not looking at them. You're not having a conversation. It's just this abbreviated blurb. And uh this guy Allan Levvenovitz who was a guest on my podcast in the past had a great statement about that. He says it's processed information the same way processed food is bad for you. Processed information is bad for you. And if you think about all these really unhealthy people that are eating processed food cuz your body's like what is this? That's the same thing with these people's minds that are just digesting processed information all the time. You're not getting a real nuanced balanced perspective. And one of the [ __ ] best things about podcasts is you have conversations with people like onetoone conversations where most people don't get those anymore. You know what I've noticed though about

90:28with when when you get under fire for things they never print the next day if you say something else. Do you know what I mean? Like they'll catch like a a segment of what you say. They run with it. And then if you're like, "Oh, I didn't even think of that part when I was saying that." They won't. It doesn't matter because they're not the people that know me know me, right? The podcast is huge, right? So, the the millions of people that listen, they heard the whole thing. They get it. And then the the clickbay people, all it ever does, and this is what's [ __ ] it makes the podcast bigger because every time one of those clickbay things happens, my numbers go up. Yeah. And you're you're right. It's not people that like already you're not losing anyone that you already have. You're just not it's the people that already didn't like you.

91:09But if you had a television show, that would work. So if they wanted to cancel you and you had a television show and they could take something out of context and get you cancelled, it would work because people wouldn't know. Yeah. Right. Because they wouldn't. It's not like you have these opportunities to express yourself in these long form podcast. But because I do it doesn't work. Yeah. Right. But it would work if I didn't like if because they could take something from you. Yes. Well, they could take something out of context and they could change who you are based like if some like I've done regular podcasts and then on top of that there's been like I don't know how many fight companions and MMA podcast. It's a lot of talking. You could go through it and find stupid [ __ ] I've said, but it doesn't mean that's who I am. Who

91:58you are is who you are all the time. Yeah, it's like it's we are a weird nuanced creature that has a lot of conflicting ideas and if you take things out of context and with the doing it to try to get the least charitable interpretation of who that person is, you're doing that in bad faith and if you do it enough times, people figure it out and they get it. Yeah. And I also feel like with on Twitter and stuff when whenever if you've noticed the pattern, it's like people who cancel get cancelled. Everyone that points a finger immediately they find some other thing they said. People start looking at you. Yeah. They start looking at you and you go, what have you done? Oh, oh, look. Look at the nword in your tweet. Look at this. I know. It's like you're like, I cannot believe you came after that person with that stuff you said. Well, that guy that went after Tony

92:45and he had Yeah. Oh my god. He's got his whole So much [ __ ] his whole but that was the thing when Tony put up his whole act like his whole act was racial like that's literally his whole act. So when Tony was going on and saying that after him in context especially since the guy opened for Tony the guy was on Kill Tony even his like that was a thing in his resume that he was on Kill Tony and they open up for Tony on the he just took a chance because this is what people think they can do today and it almost worked until people saw the whole set and some people don't care. They still think Tony, [ __ ] Tony, you know, even though I saw the whole set. But that is what they do to each other and that's their choice. Like whatever people want. I mean, it's like we can't control. Did you see what Lewis and Ari did? Oh, yeah. Hilarious. [laughter]

93:31They they they literally made their version of it afterwards when Lewis called Ari a dirty [ __ ] Yeah. I mean, it's like that's what Listen, this what comics do, especially roast comics. They they say things that are shocking that the audience knows they don't mean. That's why it's funny. The audience, first of all, the other thing you see about Tony's video is he [ __ ] killed. The reason why he killed is cuz everyone there knew he was [ __ ] around at first and then he's got a smile on his face and it's just, if you know Tony, this is the kind of comedy he does. And for him to do that after that guy is just he's being a dick inest. He's not really a dick. I know. And then you you cut it down, you caption it and everything. And I don't want to like that guy did his thing. I'm not even He did his thing.

94:16Well, he's [ __ ] now. He did his thing. But it's like then you're giving it you're putting it in another in a you're taking it out of context and now you actually are hurting people, right? Like it is there are people watching it that are going like he said that, you know, and now it's like what is the point of it? Now more people are hurt. I don't think he should have. But it's a when you're on stage, you take a chance and you he definitely didn't think it was going to get out of that room. Yeah. But then it's sad. It's like, so then all these people are, you know, like my boyfriend's mom is Asian. She probably would have been so hurt. She's not on Twitter. And then that sucks. You just heard like now, but you know, well, Tony's longest relationship that he ever had was with a Chinese girl. Yeah. I mean, it's not he's not racist. He's

94:57just trying to be funny. And sometimes you miss. Patrice had the best line about that. And he said that whether something kills or whether something bombs and offends everybody, it all comes from the same place. You're just trying to be funny. you understand it and I understand it because this is what we do. We take swings and sometimes like you're about to say something you're like I don't even know I should say it but I'm going to say it anyway and you're like yikes as it's like rolling out like oh no yeah but it's not like a carefully crafted statement that it definitely represents all of your feelings on the subject. It's just talking [ __ ] and that's what bits are until they're formulated. That's that's the other dirty thing. That's when I got really upset at people that were going after Louis when that leaked set came out.

95:37Oh yeah, it's a leaked set. Not is it not only is it a leak set, it's not just a leak set. It's a leak set when the guy hadn't done standup for almost a [ __ ] year and he was clearly working something out. And if you just left it alone, that bit probably would have been monster. It would have been monster. So when people were looking at it go, "Oh, that's offensive. He made fun of the the people survived Parkland." Yeah, he did. But if you left him alone for four or five months, he probably would have made it work. He would have found a way to make it work. And this this is the thing that happens with really controversial bits. You start off with this idea and you bring it on stage and someone will be like, "Oh, you shouldn't have said that word." Or, "Oh, you should have said this word." You're like, "Okay, how

96:17do I make it so that it reaches the most amount of people and doesn't piss people off but but gets my point across or or how do I maybe I can say that, but I have to say something else first?" Like you it's all about crafting it so it enters into your mind the best way. It's almost like foreplay or something. It's like you're trying to get in there with the the the least amount of resistance and the most amount of impact, right? Does that make sense? Need a little lube, too, though. Oh, maybe someone's getting old. [laughter] I was thinking anally, and I don't know why I was thinking of two men in this. Jesus. Two guys. Both holes. No, I'm not there. Or one hole. I'm not there. I'm a voyer. Oh, you're watching me watching. Two guys [ __ ] each other. Yeah. Missionary. Whoa, that's a rough one. It's a weird one, but their lives are flexible. Some guys are

97:02I used to watch Queer as Fog. I used to love that show and they'd always be That's a [ __ ] show that I forgot about. It was good. That was a good That was like the first gay show. Yeah, that was good. The L Word. I You know what I've been thinking about? You know how Ellen got like is got cancelled or everyone was going after her. It's so weird. And she's I've heard stories about her. I'm sure she's terrible to people, whatever, all that stuff. But then I also think, do you remember that she was the first [ __ ] lesbian to come out on TV and she was monumental? And not only that, but she's like had that show where she got like she's just this butch lesbian dancing into these the lives of these straight women. Well, I feel like when you look at what happened to her when she had her sitcom, right? So, she had her sitcom, she came

97:47out, and then basically her sitcom went away. And it went away because she came out. It was a very successful show. it was doing really well and it went away because at the time people weren't willing to accept it. And when you've experienced that and you've also experienced what it must be like to be a gay woman and to try to get some traction in Hollywood, you probably build up a lot of resentment and a lot of anger. And one of the things that definitely happens to I've seen it on um sitcoms where someone's the star of a sitcom, right? And uh they all their life they wanted to be the boss and all their life they get shut down. They go on auditions, [ __ ] you, go home, you're not going to make it, you know, we didn't book you, we canceled you, someone else is coming in this and all that stuff happen. Then finally they get something, they have

98:38all this builtup resentment and then once they have everybody kissing their ass, they lean into it. They lean into it. Like I remember um it was uh Brett Butler. Do you remember her? Yeah. Everyone told me I look like her. You're much prettier. and [laughter] and funnier, but we both were drunks. Um, she was on Grace Under Fire, right? She had that sitcom. She was funny as [ __ ] Her stand up was really She had a thing and she blew up at that Chuck Lori guy, the guy who is uh the Mad about the Two and a Half Men guy. The guy's done everything, right? He's like the biggest sitcom producer slash writer guy in really in the history of the business. And I think it was that kind of thing. And Roseanne told me she had that kind of thing, too. She goes, you know, when she was on the podcast talking about, she's like, I lost my [ __ ] mind. She's like,

99:23I know some people are triggered. People are not well, things are going crazy. But it's also being in that position is nuts. Being in the position where you are like, imagine showing up on the set and you got like a [ __ ] 150 people that depend on you and you walk in, Rosanne, can I get you anything? Can I get you a bagel? Can I get you a coffee? Can I get you this? Can I get you that? And you're on meds. You're like, YOU'RE LIKE, I THOUGHT YOU WAS WHITE. YEAH. AND YOU'RE [ __ ] Tom Arnold. [laughter] There's a lot going on. A lot of confusing [ __ ] And um she did think that lady was white, by the way. Yeah. I mean, the lady looks white as [ __ ] That clip was so funny when she was like, "Gosh, that was that on your show?" Yeah. She goes, "I thought that [ __ ] was white." [laughter] Like, whoa.

100:04She go, "I thought she was Jewish." That's what she thought. Yeah. It's um And Roseanne's all into the Cabala, too, so she likes Judaism. Well, she's she's a Jew, but Roseanne is also one of the greatest stand-up comics that's ever lived. If you go back and you watch Roseanne's early days, and that was some and all, not only that, like the big thing with Roseanne when she was getting cancelled and I had a I I reached out immediately cuz I'm like, you [ __ ] people have no idea that this lady got hit by a car when she was 15. She had severe brain damage. was on. She had to go on Oprah and apologize for accusing her parents of like molestation or something because she got false memories. Memories through trouble. She was she was in a mental institute for 9 months at 15 years old after getting hit by a car. She used to be excellent at math. She

100:54got hit by a car. She couldn't even count anymore. Like she got Do you know the whole story? M some lady couldn't see because the the sun was on her windshield and she had a dirty windshield and she drove right into an intersection and hit Roseanne and sent her to wash my car. She was 15 years old. Damn. And that changed her whole [ __ ] life. And from that moment on, she's been mentally ill. She's all [ __ ] up. She's on all kinds of pills and stuff, but she's a sweet lady, but she's just tormented. She's got demons in there just bouncing around inside of her head, and she's insanely impulsive. Yeah. You know, you remember when she did the national anthem and grabbed her [ __ ] and spit in the ground? Everybody went crazy. They were so mad at her. Just screaming. She's nuts, but she's also brilliant.

101:36Like, her comedy is [ __ ] amazing. And, you know, they cancelled her off that show. They killed her off. And then the show was never good. It also was a show that was showing both sides. It was like something [clears throat] that was really cool. Well, that was another part of the problem with the show was that she was a Trump supporter for who knows what reason. I mean, she might think he's communicating through to her through winking. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, [laughter] it's like you gota But on the show in the first season, it [ __ ] worked. And all those premises and all the different things like she wrote all that stuff. She was explaining to me how the they they started phasing her out of the writing. They didn't want her to write anymore. And she's like, "What? Like, what do you do? Like, this is my show. Like, they're

102:16like, "You don't have to come to the writing room. Like, I don't have to come to the writing room." Like, what? And then all that [ __ ] happened. And then they just killed her off. Is that show still on the air? The Connors. I think it is. Is it? How many shows are on the air? There's a lot of shows. I don't know. I only watch reality TV. Jamian knows. I watched The Challenge. This is This is an MTV show that's been going on. It was like real world road rules and then they put all of these these crazy heightened reality stars together and they do like they have to do some like eating nasty stuff. They have to do all these different physical challenges, but it's really hard. Jamie and I were talking about at the creek in the cave that night that I saw you. And people were coming up to try to talk to us. Like Tony came up. He's like, "You know what?

103:00I got to tell you." And I go, "Tony, do you watch the challenge?" He goes, "No." I go, "I'm going to need you to remove yourself from this conversation." I When you find a Kindred person, I mean the How many years has the challenge been on? The the 36 seasons. [laughter] We're just It's like Wait, wait. What? Yeah. And I've seen all of them. That's how I feel. Survivor and the Challenge. I've rewatched all of them over the pandemic. How am I just hearing about this? You never told me about this once. It's something I don't like to talk about. It's like that secret show I watched by myself. I was like, "No, listen." And also, Jamie, you told him not to watch the movie Midsummer, and I I need you to watch the movie Midsummer and talk to you about it. You told me to not watch the movie. We talked about before. I was like, "Ah, it's fine. It's like a sex cult horror

103:40movie." It's the best representation of a bad mushroom trip I've ever seen in my life. Like, they have the stuff moving and stuff. It's really It's a horror movie. I mean, it is horrible. I mean, it's but it's so good. And the reason I brought it up is you were talking about Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, [clears throat] how they had that violent scene at the end. You don't see that anymore. There's some violent [ __ ] up [ __ ] in this movie. Well, the violence scene in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, what's crazy about it, it's a star doing horrible violence to a woman, and you're like, whoa. Like, this is shocking. Obviously a a cult murderer woman, a bad woman, but it's like Tarantino can get away with [ __ ] that no one can get away with. A lot of foot stuff. He's Yeah, he's in her foots feet.

104:21I always want to know. I've always I've been asking on stage. I'm like, are you guys one of these or one of these? Which way do you where you like? Do you go through the toe? Oh, do you [ __ ] the toes? Does guys [ __ ] the toes? I don't know. I'm just trying to learn about I'm trying to like I'm trying to be curious. And some guys are into foot jobs, right? Where the girl like rubs her feet. That's got to be exhausting on your hamstrings and calves. But it may be good for you. You got to work on that core. If you're using your core, you're fine. I bet it' be really good if you're lying on your back and you got your feet up in the air. Dude, this is like Pilates and you're doing this like this is hard. Like 100 or whatever from Pilates. If you're jerking [laughter] off a guy like this, that's a lot of work.

104:57But sometimes your jaw hurts. I got TMJ. I get it. Got to do what you got to do. Yeah. You got to take a break. I got My hands are getting dry, you know? Right. Yeah, I get it. [laughter] And you you need to do some core work. I listen I got I'm in the gym all the time getting in that position if you're lying on your back with your knees up like that and you're going back and forth. That would that's a serious You know what you could do too? You could put some bars on the ceiling. Oh [ __ ] Okay. Get a full body and you're just kind of going up and down. That's really hard to do though. You can only hang for so long. Listen, I I I think anything's possible. Yeah, anything's possible if you set your mind to it, [laughter] you know? I mean, I've seen some I've seen some people do. That's the thing about uh Instagram is like a lot of those uh

105:39fitness influencers you see people do doing stuff. You're like, I didn't even know you could [ __ ] do that. So crazy. Like I'm There's so many people now that start off with dumbbells on the ground with doing a dip where they lift their leg off the ground and then they pull it all the way up and then go into a handstand. And you're like, how many [ __ ] people can do that? That's I'm just working on push-ups, you know? I can do a pull-up. I'd like to do pull-ups is my new pullup. Yeah. Well, you know what you should do? You should get one of those uh like uh rubber bands. Do you know those like how you can kind of Yeah. give you like a little little lift? Cuz I used to I I used to rock climb back in the day and I used to go to the gym and the gym had a pull-up machine and they would take the weight off you, right? Yeah.

106:20And so that was really helpful. Life cycle, I think it's called, lifestyle fitness. Maybe I'll start rock climbing again. Whitney's boyfriend rock climbs with him. But he's really good. You You don't want to go with people that are too good. Well, he could probably show you what to do, but their problems are just going to be they'll be doing like V6s or something. I'm doing like a What's a V6? It's like goes V0 to I think it can go I don't know how high it goes, but Oh, like uh that's the level of difficulty of the problems. Yeah. For bouldering. Yeah. I've had quite a few rock climbers on the show and it's just like the [snorts] people that like free like Alex Hnold, the people that do that [ __ ] It's like Jesus Christ. That was I remember the guy I was dating when we were watching that. He was like couldn't sleep. He was like too much

106:58anxiety. I'm like, "Why'd you watch that before bed?" It's hard. [clears throat] I can't even watch look at pictures of him. I watched an incredible documentary last night. By the way, I was going to bring this up to you. It's called the anthroposine. How do you say that word? The with the the it's the we're we're in the era, the epoch, the era, whatever it is, of um human beings affecting the earth in a radical way. And there's a documentary that um highlights it with these incredible visuals. And I watched it last night before I went to bed. and it really kind of freaked me out. That's it. Anthroposine, the human epoch. And uh it's incredible. It's one of the most visually stunning movies I've ever seen in my life. It's just so wild when Where is that picture? Well, it's it's it takes place in a a shitload of different places. There's I

107:48don't know where that that mine is, but there's so many mines that it's it takes place in Russia and in Germany and in China and in Nigeria. There's a church in Nigeria in this movie that seats a million people. Yes. You super spreader. Dude, you can't you cannot believe what this church looks like. And it and the the point of bringing it up was that the church was having a negative impact on the land. No, it's just the the massive amount of people in this area and how it went from having 200,000 people in this area to 20 million in two generations. And the impact that it's having on the environment is just staggering. Just mountains of trash. And they show these people in I think it was Kenya that were navigating these giant hills of trash. And they showed all these um uh people uh working in mines like digging into the ground and coming out with all this

108:46material and [ __ ] and how it's getting into the rivers and getting it's [ __ ] crazy cuz they shot a lot of it with drones. So you get this visual of the the the the actual scope of it all and the scale of it all as they fly over these enormous um like um treatment plants and uh the these enormous oil refineries in Houston and all these different things. You're like holy [ __ ] Like you get to see like all the crazy [ __ ] that people are doing to the earth. Take action. Well, I don't know what kind of action you could take quite honestly. Do you think the problem is the stack? Well, not necessarily. Here's the thing about a Tesla. Teslas are awesome and I love them and it's If I had one car that I could only drive ever, I think it'd be a Tesla. Would you Which one? The Tesla that I have. I have the Model

109:36S. It's [ __ ] incredible. But what's incredible about it is the technology and the performance. And it's like an iPhone, right? Like it updates, too. It does update. Yeah. But it's just they're so fast and they're so comfortable and smooth and but they're also made out of batteries. Where are you getting the batteries? You're getting them out of the [ __ ] ground. You're tearing them out of the ground. And these strip mines and these uh Russian dudes that are drilling into the earth and creating these, you know, like these huge tunnels like this is this is the Kenya. So scary. Yeah, that's in Kenya where they have these mountains of garbage. It's I mean I'm telling you this film is amazing. I wish I was the population. No, you don't think you would have gotten paranoid? I don't I don't mind if I get paranoid. I don't

110:21I stopped smoking weed recently, but I might start again. I always smoking weed. No, I don't want to. You can smoke. Okay. I don't feel it. It feels like it's like um my friend, do you know Deborah DGI? I don't believe. She is [ __ ] hilarious. I'll send you some of her stuff. She's so funny. She's Canadian. She um did not put a kazoo in her puss. But she um she was telling me cuz she had quit smoking weed. She was like, it felt like she when she looks back on it, she felt like she was like trudging through mud and she just felt like she like got ankle weights off. And I was like, I do feel like that. I do sometimes I'm okay with weed, but I do sometimes feel like that. But I also I it's how you use it, right? I use it for my I use it to write. I use it to like put myself in a different mindset. But I go long periods of time without it. I go

111:07weeks without it. I think that's my once I can get over the sort of because I think I was smoking it like addictively like I was like, "Oh, I want a thing." Yeah. Rather than it's time to smoke weed. But I definitely It's funny like using the stuff I learned through through Jim Forton, I don't get paranoid anymore. Like I know how to not get paranoid. Well, that's good. This is um a definite paranoia inducing movie, but not paranoia. Put some more visuals up there. Let it play out a little bit. I wouldn't say paranoia as much as it's just realization of the scope. Yeah. Go full screen with this because it's [ __ ] bananas. The scope of the impact of human beings on the earth when you look at it the way they're showing it and the real be see how it's all so much drone footage and then and they they really did an amazing job. The

111:56cinematography and the direction, the editing, it's it's an incredible documentary. I mean, it really is incredible. Now, the place that you said the population grew that much now, is that because of I don't know. It's probably industry. I mean, I'm sure they do know why, but I don't know why. Um, if if they show that's when they were burning all the uh the poached uh elephant tusks. Oh my god. Those are elephant tusks. Millions and millions of dollars worth of elephant tusks. Yeah. Um they showed that you know these people that are trying to fight off poachers and but the this to me the wildest thing was you know the the drone footage when you see it from from the sky and you get to see the scale of some of the things they've done. There's this farm they were in Germany and they were uh knocking down people's houses and and

112:46knocking down these old churches to make more room for strip mining. And you see it like you see them knock down this wall church and then you see as they go up into the sky, you see how much land they've destroyed and how it just keeps pushing deeper and deeper and deeper by creating this strip mining. But they're like whatever used to be there is now dead and devastated and they've they've like like they peeled the skin back on an orange and you just had the flesh underneath. Where did the people go? They [ __ ] have to move out. They're buying people out and you know there's a lady in it that was showing how you know she was like the last house on the street and then they're pointing to this house. This is the last one down the road. They just bought it and they were tearing it down. But they tore down this

113:29old [ __ ] church and these people apparently locked arms over the church and they were trying to stop them from doing it and they're like [ __ ] you tearing it down. They're tearing it down to make everything gross. Like the church is beautiful and the area is beautiful, but it's this like shortsighted thing that people do. When they can extract resources, they do. When there is a profit to be made, they make that profit. They go after it. What do we do? I don't know. It's it's really weird because this is a recent thing, right? In terms of like the history of the earth, it's the impact that human beings are having is really only been the last few hundred years and really radically the last 150 or so. But when you watch it in these films, it's [ __ ] nuts. These machines that they have that they uh bore into the ground with these

114:17enormous excav excavator machines. I mean, they're they're giant apartment buildings with like huge teeth that dig into the earth and scoop up all this [ __ ] and and and cut away the mountain. It's [clears throat] wild. It's a weird movie because you're like, "Whoa, we're [ __ ] up." Yeah. Yeah. You don't think about how [ __ ] up we are while you're being us. Yeah. But if you get to look at it like on a in a film that's really well done like that, you know, you know it in your heart, you know, and but that that church with a million people. I've never seen a building like that. It's so big. It's like a hundred. That's it right there. Oh my god. This 200 This is hundreds of thousands. It's designed to fit a million people apparently. If this is the same place, I just This is from uh 2006. I was trying to find that and got close. But

115:05I thought it was in Go back to that please. I thought it was in Nigeria. Can I PP and come back? Yeah. It says [clears throat] there's articles about uh these mega churches is a booming business in Nigeria. Oh, is Logos a part of Nigeria? I'm gone. Okay, go ahead. Um, look at the size of that. Go back to that picture. Look at the size of that picture, dude. That's insane. Do you imagine how hard you would kill on stage in front of that many people? Imagine murdering on stage in front of like a half a million people. What the roar would be like. They need to lower that ceiling though. Make it tighten it up. Yeah, it's crazy. As you're scrolling down, you get to see. But the amount of money they must be pulling in, too. I mean, it's a lot of [ __ ] people. But it also must cost a lot to keep it open. Bring in cash.

115:54Oh, of course it is. But you got [ __ ] millions of people, man. That's That's a smaller one. I mean, how many of these mega churches do they have? I don't I There's a list on the top of Google gave me just there's Wow. Oh my god, there's quite a few. They're all 10,000 or more. And these really? Yeah. Well, 10,000 is like Joel Olstein. I say this that makes it like an arena. But then you get over 30,000 and there's not really arenas bigger than that here how many of the ones that they're like hundreds of thousands plus? A couple, three, four. See, it's like Okay. The Glory Dome. So, they're in Nigeria and then one of them is in Brazil. Huh. Interesting. Salvation Ministries, Hands of God. Let's see what that looks like. Whoa. Oh, Annie's back. Just in time. Salvation Ministries, Hands of God Cathedral. So, there's a few of these that uh have

116:58close to, you know, have hundreds of thousands of people in them. [ __ ] crazy. But, I mean, where the where there's money, if you think about like those Joel Olstein type characters. Yeah. How much money is that guy making a year? Let's take a guess. Oh, a lot. And he doesn't get taxed, right? He's working for the Lord, baby. [laughter] Why would you take his money? Take his taxes. Come on. That's [ __ ] up. What do you What's wrong with you? Listen, I love the Lord. You don't love the Lord as much as I do. I love the Lord. No, no. I wanted him to get that money, all that money. And you you wanted him give some of it to the government. I wanted to give some to me. The government didn't preach. He preached. This one's live on YouTube right now. Is it really? How many people? It doesn't say. I was trying to show the

117:45picture, but it is one of those mega churches. I like how the how long the thing is. And where is this one? It's uh somewhere in Nigeria. I don't know the exact Go back to that video. See that guy rocking it? Can we get a little volume on here? I want to hear hear fast to the end. It's never over with anyone engaging with God. See, perfect timing. That's all I need to hear for the day. It's never over for anyone engaging with God. That's true. Woo. I always respond to his comments. That guy. No, I'm just saying engaging. Sounds like to me it sounds like internet engagement. Oh, I get it. Right. Like if God leaves comments, keep it together, [ __ ] Imagine if God said that to you, you'd be like, whoa. I'd be like, you're right, sir. Thank you. So much um responsibility being God. If you were leaving comments, you know, because it's such a shallow

118:33way to talk to someone, it could be misinterpreted. There's got to be an account. You know how like you send someone a text message and you know, you know, like they say something, you just go, "Thank you." Period. And they go, "Are you mad at me?" Yeah. Like what? Why would you think I'm mad at you? Well, all he said was thank you. Like it seemed a little passive aggressive. That period was really Yeah, that period was heavy. No, I that was a really that was a heavy flow. I was saying to I texted Bonnie something and she was like oh I was like can we meet to talk about the movie and she was like, "Yeah, well um let me know. I'm building a shed with Rich. Um and let me know when and I'll see if I can make it." And I went in all caps. I go, "You better not be mad at me." She's like, "I'm not mad at you." There was just something about that

119:16boundary she set where I was like, "Oh, no. Sound like you're crazy and needy." It was No, it was a I was having a weird week with that. Was this u when you were reading Jim's book or following Jim's courses or No. Listen, I'm doing great and I'm a new person. I'm not even that person. I was reinventing yourself on the spot. Yes, it's How long ago was this? Last week. You know, yesterday. Tuesday. Yesterday, was it? [snorts] No, but you're right. Like I know we're joking. Yeah. Sing to me. All my troules seem so far away. What's this? What is What? Oh, it's a lighter for cigars. But it looks like a car. Or no, that doesn't look like a car. Oh my god. [laughter] I mean, I guess it kind of looks like a car. It does a little, right? But no, it's just a wire. See this part right here? That's where the And this part And that's for cutting cigars.

120:08Yes. And this part right here is um one of these things like trims a cigar. I'm not sure how it works. It's a new one. H. Interesting. And what's this? This trims the cigars, too. Yeah, that's just just trims cigars. That's all it does. Oh, here it goes. You cut your finger off this thing. See this here? Put the cigar thing in there. It goes like that. Oo. See? And then Oh, yeah. That's very So, you have two things in one. It's amazing. And it's [laughter] a car. It's ergonomic. Do you smoke cigars, Annie? I you know, to be cool and fit in. I sometimes I try during when we were on that rooftop. I was trying and I'm like I don't even know what I'm doing here. But I have brothers. I'll always try something. Did you like it? I thought it was okay. I would never go by myself and do it. Maybe just if you wanted to be one of the guys.

120:56I did want to be one of the guys. I have brothers. I I don't pretend that's not my life. That's a weird thing, right? To want like to like if you wanted to like go to a cigar bar, be one of the guys, sit around, talk about show up. I'm like, "Listen, grow up out my mustache." Probably get a lot of attention. Yeah. But, you know, I feel like I just like to try things anyway. So, instead of maybe judging the trying to be one of the guys, I would I try to be one of the girls, too. Just Just give it a shot. I like to just try [ __ ] out. Do you uh ever sit down and say, "Okay, the this is some things I'd like to try. I'd like to try bungee jumping. I'd like to try race car driving. I'd like to try Do you ever do that?" Not really. I'm more just I'm just open to when opportunities unfold because I I have gone skydiving.

121:44I went with my friend Aaron and we would go on the date. She used to go with her dad and her dad passed away so we go on his like his pass away date and this year we Did he die skydiving? He didn't. Wouldn't that be cool? No, but it was just they used to always go skydiving and then he um it would be gangster of us to keep going. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But um no, he passed away. um he had Parkinson's and yeah, but he um so we would go for that and then this time she has kids now and I remember feeling the first time we went I did only go once but the first when we went I remember feeling like my whole life I've been waiting to go skydiving like this was going to be this amazing experience and then I wasn't scared to death like the re I was looking for that fear of death moment you didn't have it really I didn't because I was attached to the

122:31guy and I just knew that they did it so often I was like this guy's not going to want to die, so he's going to do it right. So, I used to do Sometimes you think they get a little too casual, maybe. But then on stage, I was doing a joke about how I was I was like underwhelmed by it and how um you know, next time I want to go up, I want to go to a place with one star that has like and I want the guy to be like, "There's two parachutes, one works pick, you know, like really." But then this guy in the audience came up to me, him and his wife, and she goes, "Oh, he's a skydiving instructor and he'll he'll take you out and really scare the [ __ ] out of you." And I was like, um, maybe I don't mean that. And I never took him up on it cuz I was like, you know, what if he tried hard to scare you and wind up dying? Those guys die.

123:12Um, Brian Redband, one of his dad's co-workers was always trying to get him to skydive. Like, you should come skydive with me. Skydiving is awesome. Skydive is awesome. And then one day he showed up at work and they're not there. No. He's like, "What happened?" They're like, "Pachute didn't open." Yeah. My dad's friend is a skydiver and he heard his he went into the hospital. I think he shattered a bunch of stuff and he stole skydives. Jesus. What happened? It didn't deploy or deployed [ __ ] I don't know. I don't know the story. But also on the challenge Mhm. you saw um what's his name? Um with the hand Jordan. Jordan. There's Seasons. Yeah. 36 seasons. There's this guy Jordan who is a [ __ ] gangster. Okay. He was born with like two fingers on his hand. Okay. So, he's he competes in all these things with one well, he can still

124:02use it, but like pretty much one hand, but he did a they had to parachute down. They had to skydive down and his parachute didn't open or he came down too fast and he [ __ ] himself up, but he still ended up doing the challenge, which is like three days I think they do it where they barely sleep and who it's just these it's TJ Lavin hosted. Are you friends with him? I don't know who that is. Oh, he's a uh he was a BMX dirt bike rider or dirt bike. My jiu-jitsu instructor John Machado, he was born like that. He only has one hand. Yeah. I mean, one of his hands only has a thumb, dude. And these are the people that you see the [ __ ] they can do and then you're like, "Okay, I better get off the [ __ ] John, who's one of the greatest jiu-jitsu players of all time." Like, he won Abu Dhabi with one hand and he just he can do that.

124:44Strangles the [ __ ] out of people. He gets that arm, the the left hand, the one that only has a thumb. He slides that thing right under people's [ __ ] necks. And you can't break his cable grip. Gable grip. Gable grip. I mean, well, you you the way you gable grip is you only really need one good hand to gable grip. Yeah. You know, I mean, you could you could easily grip someone like this, but but he's, you know, choking people like this where he's sliding it under the arm and then gripping his hands, but he's also, you know, it's been doing jiu-jitsu since he was a baby. Now, would you compete in in jiu-jitsu? Not at this stage of my life. Just asking to get hurt. And do you you like spar and stuff still? Yeah, sure. [clears throat] Do you ever get hurt? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I got hurt a couple weeks ago. What happened?

125:27[ __ ] something up my back. Is it still [ __ ] up? It's a little weird. It's okay. But you don't. But you know what it is? No, it's I think [sighs] there's a certain amount of risk that you're going to take if you do stuff that's fun. That's uh physical, you know, physical things like especially like jiu-jitsu or or running hills or kettle bell workouts or anything crazy like that, kickboxing, that's [ __ ] you're you're putting a lot of stress. You're exploding. There's a lot of energy, a lot of explosive moves. They test all your tendons and muscles. But one of the things that uh I've realized [snorts] is like I can't not get massages. I have to get massages. And I didn't get one for a year because of the pandemic. I basically didn't get Yeah. And then my back was so knotted up. But I I uh I got two serious deep tissue

126:17massages in a week and it just kind of straightened up. How long are they? How long did you go? 90 minutes. They beat the [ __ ] out of you, too. You don't enjoy a second of it. Yeah. No, I've never I hate massages that feel good. Really? Yeah. I don't like a soft massage. I've Nothing is more upsetting. I'm always like, "Give me the elbow." Nothing in the world. Wow. And I know about Waco. I know what happened there. [laughter] I'm not talking about the surfing. But yeah. No, I really Yeah, I like a deep [ __ ] massage. But do you know the Dr. Cerno thing? Oh, that's that guy that the back pain guy. Yeah. Like it's all repressed childhood rage, which is so funny. Nonsense. But listen, that listen, that [ __ ] drives me [ __ ] crazy because I'm going to just explain this right now. Saying that as an open general statement

127:03is so [ __ ] stupid because people have bulging discs that push on their nerves and their [ __ ] arms atrophy and their hands stop working. That shit's real, okay? It's not childhood memories. Some people Some people have back pain that's just stress and tension. Some people, but a lot of people have [ __ ] serious spine injuries. The idea that, oh, it's all like, somebody tried to explain it to me. I'm like, shut the [ __ ] up. You should have him on here and have him try to explain it to you. That's the type of [ __ ] I want to see. No, I'd like to have him on with an actual spinal surgery. Do it. Do that. A guy who talks about, okay, let me explain. This is a [ __ ] metal cage we had to put on this guy's back cuz his spine was crumbling. And this is another guy who lost all use of his left calf

127:47because his his nerves were pinched off. Like he's right in some ways, and this is how he's right. He's right that some people carry so much stress and so much tension and that they sort of almost distract themselves with back pain. But then there's also legitimate significant injuries. And I've dealt with a lot of those [ __ ] Looney Tunes because I had a bulging disc for like a long time. And I was going to a chiropractor before I knew that was nonsense. And he was, this is how he told me that I did have a bulging disc. He pushed down on my head. No, I hate that when they do the thing. They do nonsense. He was like pushing down on my head like, "Nope, definitely if that doesn't hurt, you definitely have a bulging neck." So, I'm like, "Man, I need to go to a real doctor." And I finally went to um a guy who deals

128:30with neck injuries and he he took me in for an MRI and he's like, "Look, this is how your your your disc is bulging out and pressing and you have disc degeneration, which means all the cushioning in between my spine. All of it was it was shrinking and my height I'm shrinking because these little discs are shrinking and so it makes your your back more irritable because there's no cushioning. So it limits your mobility. shrink anyway. That's why old people shrink. What what's going on is their spine like the the juiciness in between your discs, it all goes away. So over think about like here's your spinal cord, right? You have all these bones and in between the bones you have these discs and these things if you do especially wrestlers. Wrestlers their backs are all [ __ ] up and a lot of jiu-jitsu guys like I have four friends with fake discs in their

129:20back. Yeah, I know so many people that have their backs fused and necks fused. It's really [sighs] It does kind of for now, but it's all for now. It's like it's just letting you know the end is near. But my point is like anybody that says that it's all in your head is [ __ ] crazy. That's a crazy thing to say because like my friend Travis Lutter who was in here with uh Kevin Holland who's his coach, he's a an infamous jiu-jitsu guy like f very famous. Travis is like a world class, like top of the food chain. He had to get his neck fused. He's got like these bolts and screws in his neck. Can he turn his neck? It's kind of stiff. It's like this. But he still trains. It just he loves training so much that he just It really is so fun. Like I didn't really learn that much about the sport. Like I didn't know I don't know any of the

130:08fighters really. But I just went to class as the exercise and learning the things. And just as it is like doing math problems on a body is how it felt. It was really such a fun [ __ ] workout. Yeah. And the risk of getting hurt makes it a little bit more exciting. It is a little exciting in that regard, but there's ways to mitigate it. There's ways to mitigate it. And that's one of the things that I work really hard on is like strengthening my neck and strengthening my back and strengthening all of the the different muscles that protect all that area. Like I have this reverse hyper machine now from that I use. And then I have like this iron neck thing that I do. Well, got a [ __ ] halo on my head with a bungee cord. I'm doing this [ __ ] And that's why my neck is so thick. It's all these kind of exercises.

130:54This is a new This has happened over the past what 10 years. Yes. Your neck popped. Yeah. Well, that's when I really got into Well, it was more than that when I really got into jiu-jitsu, but I really got into strengthening my neck after the neck injury. So, that was like I really [ __ ] it up around 2009ish or 8ish, somewhere around then. It was bad. Like my hands were going numb. It was a real problem. And I didn't understand why. And it just that's the thing. You can't go to chiropractors for these things. You have to go to a real doctor who ex But you can't let them. Here's the other thing cuz real doctors always want to cut you, right? They're like, "You need surgery." They always say the worst thing. Well, not all of them. I should I don't want to generalize, but I did. Too late. [laughter] Some doctors are awesome. I got really

131:37lucky that the doctor that I went to, one of them wanted to do surgery. The other one was like, "I think you should try biological treatments like stem cells." And then I found out about Regenicine. And then I had this Regenicines treatment done and that cured me up. That fixed my bulging disc. And how do they do it? It's an injection or what? It's your own blood. They take your own blood and they spin it in a centurfuge. It's like plateletri plasma but they add a bunch of uh stuff to it. I forget how you're going to catch me like spinning a tampon like is this how it works? I don't think that's And then they inject it directly into the areas because it produces this incredible anti-inflammatory medicine from your own blood. How fast does it work? For me, it was two weeks. I had this bulging disc and it was like it was painful. Like my

132:20elbow would hurt out of nowhere. But it was because my disc was pushing against the nerve. And so the stem cell like regrows the Well, that wasn't stem cells. That's not stem cells. That's uh regenine. Regenicine again. It's like a platelet rich plasma thing. The stem cell [ __ ] that I've gotten I've gotten that in my knees. I've gotten that in my shoulders. I've gotten that in my back. I'm just like a science experiment. But it works. I mean, I'm 53 and I still work out pretty much exactly the same way. Like, everything I do, I do pretty much the same way I did when I was 25 or 35 or even 45. And I'm almost 55. I'll be 55 in a couple years, which is crazy. I thought I was going to catch you on a weird lie that you were 54. I'll be 54 in August. It's not not that far away. I'm basically 54. When's your birthday? August. What? 11.

133:07I'm going to come up with a really good present to get you. I'm excited. What do you get the king? I'll come up with something really good. a hug. Um, but anyway, the point is not everybody has access to all this stuff, right? It's like it costs a lot of money to do all these treatments. How much can you tell how much it is? It's a lot. Like tens of thousands of dollars for all these different things that I'm doing for each like injection type thing. Yeah, it's it's [ __ ] expensive. The Reenikine's expensive and it's multiple treatments, too. Mhm. There's pictures of me getting Regenicine like all on my back online with these [ __ ] like these needles in my back and then they squirt the blood into these little How long does it take? When do they take the blood to when they put it back in you? I think it's like a 10-hour process

133:50and do you stay at the place? No, you go the next day like so they'll draw your blood and then they'll do it either the next day or you know following days whenever you have the time. So interesting. I really like the thing I always think about is I have TMJ. That's like a thing I've had since I was a kid. And whenever you go to a doctor, they're like, "Oh, it's stress or whatever." And you're like, "It's [ __ ] st What do you mean it's [ __ ] stress?" What exactly is TMJ means? Now, TMJ is actually the name of it. It's the tri No, I'm the trigeminal. Yeah. It's I I don't I can't pronounce I should know what it is, but Jamie, if you were too much jizz. Yeah, it's Yeah, it's too much jizz. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. [laughter] Tempormandibular. Temporal. It's it's the name of the joint, but it's actually a TM. It's TMJ D, which is the disorder

134:36temporal mandibular joint. So, TMD. So, you make that smaller, please. Smaller so we could all read the whole thing. What are you doing, Jamie? What the [ __ ] I'm zooming out and it's not going. Oh, what the [ __ ] What the [ __ ] bro? Uh, TMJ disorder is a type of temporal mandibular disorder or TMD. Can cause cause pain in your joint. Let's find out what the treatment. Let's see. How do you relieve it? Let's see the treatment. I bet uh I've tried like uh acupuncture. Imagine if it was just sucking dick all day. Well, that's the only way. I would, you know, they tell you not to. There was like a list when I went to this one TMG TMJ clinic and they were like, "Don't chew gum. Don't do this. Don't do that." And I posted it and added, "Don't suck." Mayo treatment. Go to male. You add it. There are times I've had boyfriends that

135:21where it's really like, "I'm so sorry, we're not compatible because of that." I my jaw will start clicking. Oh, okay. Listen and feel your jaw. Uh, observe the range of motion. Okay. This is They're not saying anything. It's They really It's It's one of those things. Scroll down. There's nothing down there. Doesn't say anything. There's really It's like Sorry. Pain relievers, anti-depressants. What? Because it's because it's like a a a tension. For me at least, it was like I grind my teeth at night. It's bxism. So, it's a tighten jaw at night. I do uh exercise with my jaw. You do? have this rubber thing that I bite down on. I put it in my teeth and I go like this like Yeah. No, I've seen those. I think because I already have it out of place that that's bad bad for me. I think I need to get like um uh I've been looking into um what do

136:09you call them? What kind of doctor? Cranial sacral doctor. Like voodoo. Is that voodoo? They do voodoo on you. Is cranial sacral not a real doctor? No, it's like these chickens. [laughter] I don't know. I'm like I thought you know everything. I've never heard of that. But like I think I need to do something where they expand my pallet and my teeth and kind of like can adjust it. But you know what worked for me and I got to get back into I did breath work and that is the only thing that has gotten my my tense like depression just tension things. I think it is. Well, I used to get so pissed when the doctors would say it's like you're it's your tension. I'm like [ __ ] you. It's not. And I'm like oh maybe it is. [laughter] To answer your question because there's even a question if it's legitimate. It might not be. I don't know. Oh, maybe

136:54says there needs to be more evidence. Oh, okay. What? Plenty of anecdotal evidence that CST, what what is CST? Craniosacral therapy. Oh, okay. Effective treatment, but more research is need to significant scientifically determine this evidence that it can release stress and tension. Some research suggests that it may only be effective in infants, toddlers, and children. Does um does CBD work for you? Does that reduce inflammation? I never really got too into but maybe now with my Kill Cliff CBD 25 milligrams. Yeah, that's not enough. I mean, this is great for, you know, just overall to If you have any CBD advice, let me know. I do. Yeah, I'm a big believer in CBD. I believe I'm a big believer in anything that you can do that red reduces inflammation. Inflammation is inflammation is the cause of a lot of ailments in people. A

137:42lot of sicknesses and disease comes out of inflammation. And a lot of is the the diet that people eat, the bad foods, but but inflammation in your jaw like that. I wonder if there's exercises that are good. Oh, Jamie's got something. CBD oil can relieve the pain caused by TMD by easing muscle tension and reducing inflammation. The best benefit of CBD oil is its direct pain relief. By applying the oil directly to sore areas, you can experience pain relief in just minutes. Some patients also choose to vaporize vaporize the oil during inhalation. Yeah, there you go. Um, see exercises TMG. What is that [ __ ] thing that I use? That jawser size. Yeah, it's called jawser size. I've seen those. Those are cool. But I have big ass jaw muscles now. These things are Oh my god. Imagine I come back like looking more like Brett Butler each day.

138:36But these these muscles have 100% gotten bigger. But I have like one is stronger than the other. I go I sometimes I get massage. Have you ever gotten anyone to give you a jaw massage like on one side? That feels [ __ ] weird. Wild. It's wild. Yeah, it's really weird. They put those little finger cuts on. I know. They're in your mouth. I'm like, while you're in there mouth down while you're in there, I I'd like to Can you help me with my gag reflex? [laughter] Help me out, Doc? I'm like, hey, that's not your finger. Yeah. Um, I was reading about this guy that got molested by his uh um massage therapist and he didn't realize that he was getting molested by a male massage therapist, but he thought it was normal for the guy to put his fingers in his [ __ ] Yes. My friend just had that happen. Yeah. Like what? He's like, "Listen, you

139:22got to trust me. Um, I'm just going to put my fingers in your ass. It's [ __ ] crazy. Massage your prostate and everything." And and he was like, "What?" And so this guy just was letting this guy basically just Yeah, probably good. It probably did feel good. And that's like, oh, I do feel a release. Imagine if he got hard and then he just he probably [ __ ] Maybe. He's like, "My mouth will actually help with the Ah, that's your your mouth will help me. We'll help [laughter] each other." Why are you Mark Norman? Oh, I'm not. I'm gay. Hey, I sucked his dick. Hey, and that's what I did. [laughter] I had to do it. But yeah, no, I've gotten I whenever I've gone to just these like whatever massage places, you know, that cost like 20ucks. Exactly. I mean, when they go for your butt cheeks first and your [ __ ] is

140:11getting like cold air going into it, you're like, "Oh no, I'm getting one of these [ __ ] massages. My asshole." Why? My [ __ ] should not have cold air coming into it. [laughter] Clean cold air. And then you smell their breath on your [ __ ] Oh my god, it's unbelievable. Yeah. Oh no, they're warming it up. But there was one I got where this guy left the room and he you know how they're supposed to just like expose one body part at a time. There was just no I go, "Dude, you got to put the [ __ ] blanket on me." And it's such a weird thing. It's such a like um I don't know if it's like PTSD or whatever, but it's like I you just I just get quiet and like don't say anything. I like tip the guy. I'm like, "What the [ __ ] am I doing?" Girls do it. Well, that's what I've learned. But I

140:47wanted I always wanted to get the guys because they would do it harder than the girls. You can get just get a thick gal. I got to get a thick gal. be like cross jaws are size. [laughter] Have you used the thing? I'm going to grab your [ __ ] with my teeth, but trust me. I'm going to put my whole hand up your ass. Did you see? I'm going to bring you Nirvana. Jesse May did like she repeated it. Someone else had already done it, but she was doing like a fake kettle bell workout and she was like doing a squat with the kettle bell and then she had like her she edited so that it was like her hands were in her pants like it was like labia or something picking up the kettle bell. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. It was so gross. It was so funny. Women do do that, you know, in real life. Yeah. They have There's a world record

141:31[ __ ] clamp lady from Russia. She carries plates with her [ __ ] [laughter] Yeah. So, she's got like a ball on a string. She shoves that ball into her snatch and then clamps down with her [ __ ] muscles and the string hangs down and she clips weights to it and she's there squatting. She like has it in her [ __ ] and she's like she's just letting all the men know I'm here to make you come forever. [laughter] You never you'll never stop coming with me. Angelica has the [ __ ] I just went to her page. Did you see this thing she posted? Yes, that guy. I've seen that in the past. And by the way, you can see that Russian lady opening for me at Dead Crow. This guy um had bolts stuffed into his ass cheeks and then Bungie jumped from them. I like those pants. But [snorts] I mean, what kind of a person?

142:19It just What's the point of this? What happened to his life? That look like like they're hanging from the ass meat. Oh, look at this. I mean, how does it not rip off? First of all, I mean, he's hanging from the meat of his ass. I did it. Look at that. Look how it's like connected to his ass cheeks. I when I used to live in Santa Fe, there was this whole kind of like circusy type crowd there. And there was like a guy who had like traveled in the circus. I wish I could remember his name, but he um hung a cinder block from his I went to this party up in the like in the mountains like these rich people in Santa Fe. I was probably 20, 19. He hung a cinder block from You stopped. I'll tell you because I want to tell you the whole story. So the whole party was do you remember the show Real Sex on HBO? Yeah. So they had done an episode where

143:06they came there were these like oil these like lesbian oil wrestlers. I think they were lesbians. I think they were um oil wrestlers that would that they came and did a piece on. So then it was the premiere of that and I somehow like had a fake ID and met all these people and they invited me up to this house. How old were you? Like 20 maybe 1920. And then I had some fun in Santa Fe. God damn I love that town. But so I went up to this party that they were having which was the premiere of their episode of Real Sex. And I remember I was like topless on a they had a bed of nails like does anyone want to do it? And me and my gay friend were like sure and we were just up there having fun and um so I laid on this bed of nails and then this guy came up and he he hung a cinder block off his dick. He had a I think a piercing [screaming]

143:50and then they did they pierced people's backs and they were like suspending them. Oh Jesus. Yeah, it was really weird. That's uh like right out of the the used to do that in what Native American tribe was it? There's a movie A Man Called Horse with um God, I forget the old dude's name. Famous Scottish guy. Oh, Richard. No, Richard uh Richard Harris. It's amazing movie. But um they would go I believe it was the Lakotas. They would they would put a a cut in their chest plates. Yeah. And they would uh hang them. Is this a white man playing this? Did they whitewash this character? No, it was supposed to be a white man in the movie. It was uh Richard Harris, a man called horse. So, it was um basically a movie. I forget what the ritual's called. It's not the ghost dance. Ghost dance. Are they doing that as a punishment to him or he's

144:50No, no, no. It's a right of passage. Men would do it and they would proudly show their scars, like really [ __ ] up scars. The the really tough guys wanted it to rip through their muscle tissue, so you'd see these huge scars on their chest. Sounds like a boob job to me. I'm I'm really pretty sure it was a Lakota thing. Yeah, but this is the movie. But um suspension, just go uh just Google um Native American suspension ritual. See, also dances with wolves. American western to portray the Sue as a protagonist. Oh, okay. So, that was the Sue, I guess. But the Sue or the Lakota. I'm sorry. What am I [ __ ] [ __ ] That That's what it means. Sue means sketch there. Lakota. What? Say [ __ ] Yeah, I try to say it is I try to mean it when I say it. Um the uh Wait, what is this? [laughter] That's the girl that holds weights for

145:44their [ __ ] Look at that booty, too. She's got really strong ass muscles because of it. Well, she likes to have a tight tight booty grip on the [ __ ] as well. [laughter] Look at her. A cutie. She does kind of look like the girl that opened for me. I don't like that. That's not even impressive. Either go hard or go home. Okay. If you see like a guy who's a powerlifting champion, but he's got a little pink dumbbell in his hand. I'm not impressed. But here she is. 31 pounds is You should get her with one of those. Like this is my record. 31 lbs of [ __ ] power. One of your um kettle bells. You should get her in. Yeah. Look at her. That's amazing that she can do that, though. Look at those weights. She's getting it right up in the old cooter. Oh, pop. There it is. I was going to say, what does it smell?

146:29I know. What does it smell like? Like, ma'am, I think you might have bacterial vaginosis. Ma'am, you should get that checked out. Did you have a fish fillet? What is this? Well, not only that, it's probably like an unnatural amount of sweat and strain. Wait a second. your when you did the um election thing, you were eating a fillet of fish. Is that your move? That's your McDonald's choice. I like for McDonald's. My favorite, too. It's a [ __ ] fish. It's really good. Tastes good. I like it. It's terrible for you. It's probably barely fish. It's probably something that knows fish. I know. It's like like trimmings and [ __ ] all mushed out into that weird square. It tastes so good though. But was that like that was just you did timbering? How did that happen? I think we had someone go out and get food.

147:13[ __ ] it. Let's do McDonald's. [snorts] Well, I think we were drunk and so Tim wasn't. Tim sober, but when we're Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's very sober. Really? He used to go hard in the paint. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was uh I never heard in the paint that line, but I understand. You never heard in the paint? Yeah, I never did. It's a very common term, [clears throat] but uh Tim used to go hard. He used to party way too hard. A lot of coke. Yeah. And then he go, "Okay, can't do this anymore." Yeah. Yeah. But we uh we indulged in some terrible food. And [laughter] that's my move. When I would come home from the store, if I was feeling really like like [ __ ] it, I would go to McDonald's. Yeah. Get filt of fishes. I watched that episode with Whitney in her gym. We were working out in her gym watching you guys. And she was like,

147:57"Who won? I still don't understand." She kept texting. She's like, "What happened?" Whitney's like doing content. She's like, "Joe, who won?" No one knew who won. That was the thing. Do you know they're still contesting the election? So crazy. I was watching something about it today. They're still contesting the election. Apparently, there's some some recount going on right now in Arizona. Is that real? Like in some audit of the rec No, I'm telling you, I think it's real. Here we are in [ __ ] What is it? June. I have no clue. It's June. I'm a comedian. I don't know what month it is. June. Yeah. June 14th. How Oh, it's my niece's birthday. Flag day. Happy birthday, Reese. She's not watching. She's a child. One of the girls. Nine. Yeah. Nine years old. One of the girls that was in that video. Hi, baby. Oh, that's cute. I love her. I love them so much. I'm so

148:42And my nephews are so cute. I'm just so lucky. I'm just so grateful. I love them. That's awesome. That's a great attitude. Did you learn that from your friend Jim? No, I knew that ahead of time. Okay. But I do I'm very easily able to get into a peaceful spa state if I imagine my nieces and nephews hugging me. You spent a lot of time with Whitney over the pandemic. Oh my god, it was so fun. You were basically living at her place for a while, right? I wish. Oh my god. I was living in a construction zone coming to her house. You were just going over there. Oh, I thought you were living there. No, but it was We were there a lot. It was so fun. God. And then I got a puppy and she loved my dog. It was just We just had such a fun time. You guys did a few podcasts together, but you never did a group podcast together. That is a missed opportunity. I know.

149:21You two together would be a [ __ ] amazing. I would love to do it. I mean, she's just Listen, she works so hard on her on Good for You and I think it's such a good podcast. It's amazing. And I I I will reapproach her about doing a podcast, but I do think she might be too busy for it. But I would love to do one with her. I think you two together have a special chemistry. You're both so ridiculous and the two of you together would be so funny. You know what it is? We're not worried about being like humiliated. I think we will just like do whatever. Yeah, for sure. But it's just the chemistry. It's like just like you two as friends. It's a fun friendship. like having you two on the podcast together was hilarious. It was so fun. Well, that was kind of the beginning of of us getting really close. Really? Yeah. No, like we were friends and I would call

150:05her about stuff and she would call me, but it was it wasn't We got really tight after that. That's crazy. Yeah. And now we have our chat thread which we talk every day. Yeah. All three of us. A great chat thread. So fun. [laughter] Yeah. We're at least on my Patreon. Just kidding. Can you imagine? Jesus. Can you imagine? THERE'S SOME GOVERNMENT official reading those things. We should move it over to Signal. There definitely is. Yeah, we definitely should move it to Signal for some of the more risque. When I found you on Signal and the first So, that's crazy that you guys became close after that podcast, but we were we were we were friends, but it really I mean I just she's like my soul sister. I just really [ __ ] love her. She's a very unusual person. I I appreciate her. I really really do. But I just think to you, the two of you

150:59guys together, it's a [ __ ] wicked combination and you definitely should do something together. Yeah. If she has the time, I mean, I don't want to be the guy that tells, "Oh, you got to do this." But I just think like you guys together [ __ ] some like when I'm with Duncan, all right, Duncan is my Whitney in that regard. Like when he was here the other day, I was like, "Dude, you and I together are so much better than I am by myself." It's like me and him together, it's a it's a magic thing. I go, "Let's do one a week." HE'S LIKE, "I CAN'T I can't live in Asheville, man." But he's coming out here and he he's going to come out here for a month. Wow. What? And he's going to look around. I can't tell you. You might tell me. But whenever you tell me, I'll come out for that month, too. Um he wants to come out here and look

151:38around. I go, "Dude, move here. Sell your [ __ ] house. It's too cold in Asheville." Yeah. Get out of there. Asheville is so beautiful, though. It's gorgeous. God, is that a beautiful place? But I'm telling them like like you should live here, too. Just Just live here most of the time. You don't want to be there in the in the winter time, right? But that's how I feel about this place, too. When you were like moving out, I'm like, I'm I just plan on being here a long time. Like Tony was like, you're not going to do Kill Tony. I'm like, Tony, I'm going to be out here all the time. Yeah. Like, I'll be back. You'll be back. Yeah. I love it. Well, I'll have news and I can give you some news after the podcast about the opening of the club cuz I have I have some solid [ __ ] options now and things are coming together finally. I I

152:15it's a long story and one day I'll tell the whole thing, but the nightmare of uh trying to get a building and put together a club. It's been crazy. But a lot of monkey wrench stuff. It's like some parts I can't tell because I'm a nice person and I don't want to uh throw anybody under the bus because it'll be super obvious who I'm talking about. But uh I'll tell you. Yeah. [laughter] But once it's up and running, um, you know, once it's up and running, I'm going to, uh, do my level best to make it the most accommodating and comfortable place for comedians. I will tell you, I know you had told me some stuff, some of your plans and and after Tony's incident, everyone's now bagging phones. What a heavenly situation it is to do a show with people's phones bagged. I mean, it really does feel so fun. People are so much more paying attention. Yeah. It's just it's so it's

153:16great. And I, you know, I saw on Dig the other day, some guy was getting roasted because he was using his phone while his his wedding vows are being read. He's literally being married. The priest is saying his stuff and he checks his phone. That's me and Whitney. [laughter] And people are like, "Bro, that's me and Whitney at our wedding." But people are [ __ ] addicts. I'm this close, this close to getting a [ __ ] flip phone. I think I'm going to take this and just leave it all day and just have a flip phone where you have you have to call me and if you text me I'm going to call you back. I'm not I'll read your text but I'm not I just I feel like we're too [ __ ] vulnerable. It's too easy to get sucked into these things. If I'm sitting here and I'm bored for 5 seconds, I go, "Hm, let's check YouTube." And I'm watching

154:00some stupid [ __ ] video that I don't really care about. And then you're sending it to me and Whitney and making us [ __ ] watch it. Yes. Did you see that video that I sent you of the girl? I didn't watch it yet. Some of those are great. Some of those are great. But but also what's great is just living. One time when I was in Hawaii, I broke my phone. It was weird. It was a crazy break. I dropped it and just started randomly calling people. And I would I should have made a video of it because it was kind of crazy. I'd be like, "Look," and I I would hold it up. I held it up to my wife. I go, "Watch this." And it just beep. It just starts dialing. And I'd hang up and then it just beep starts dialing someone else. People were so excited. They're like, "Joe Rogan's calling me." It was people that I knew, [laughter]

154:38but I don't think they were that pumped. But it was uh it was just randomly going through my my contacts and dialing people. And then I would swipe out of it. It's like, "Nope, [ __ ] you. We're calling people." It was just calling people. It was wild. And so then it eventually just stopped working altogether. And I just shut it off. But I couldn't get it to stop calling people. So even when I was calling people, it was trying to hang up. It was it was going nutty. So I got a new phone. But I ordered it online and then I had to pay for it to get shipped. But I was in Lai and or Lanai if you want to say it the way they do. Thank you. I don't want to culturally appropriate their language. So it took three days to get it to me. And during that time I was in bliss. Yeah. There was no phone. I was just wandering around just existing. And I was like

155:19this is better. This is a better way to live. Like this whole checking Twitter all day and checking, you know, Instagram and checking YouTube and what's going on the news. I would check the news app. Oh. And then that happened. Oh my god, the news app is a nightmare. It's a nightmare because it sucks you in. And if you curate it, right? Like I want all news about, you know, I'm into technology, so it's all like technology news or car news or sports or like fighting. It's like it's like that's all it's giving me and it's just like you're just feeding your [ __ ] Yeah. Because it knows what you want and knows what's going to distract you. It knows what's going to get you sucked in. Just feeding your mind with nonsense. But it also is fun. I'm always like, I'm gonna figure out one day a schedule where it's like I just post my stuff and then I

156:05I think my I think my move is to have that as like an extra phone and to have a flip phone as like a real phone. How many phones do you have? I'll tell you off off the air. I have quite a few numbers. [laughter] Like I have email addresses and a lot of other [ __ ] I've wide variety texting Whitney like okay by the way. So first of all, everyone's always like stop name dropping Whitney and John. I'm like I talk to these people every day. Sorry, they're not your friends. Um, but so Whitney Joe changed his phone number. How didn't Am I allowed to say that? Mhm. Okay. Changed his phone number and he goes, "Delete the old number." [snorts] Um, just use this number. Whitney, that [ __ ] [ __ ] She texted your old number every day for like 12 weeks. I blame the ketamine. [laughter] It could have been the ketamine. That

156:50was her ketamine phase. Ketamine phase. And then she goes, she goes, "Joe, we have she goes, "Oh my god, we have to stop." I go, "Bitch, I will have your back on a lot of things, but I have not texted that number once. Cannot go out on the phone." She, for whatever reason, didn't delete it. And I said, "Just I gave her the number." I'm like, "Get this is the number. Go to your phone. Delete that one. Don't don't use that one anymore cuz I don't carry it anymore. That thing's in a drawer. And I pull it out once a week to see if [laughter] there's anything really important." And it's just always Whitney. Uh, it was Whitney like 30 times. [laughter] I was like, "Jesus [ __ ] Ken." Because I know Kenamine is like I think it's a disassociative. It is a disassociative. Yeah. Which is like she's disassociating my number and

157:29just [laughter] [ __ ] just making random phone calls. She was on that [ __ ] a lot. She offered it to me. She's like, "You want to try it?" She offered it. I was on it for a little while, too. Then I got a ulcer. I was like, "I think I'm good. [laughter] Jesus Christ. I don't need this. I don't need to disassociate anymore." There's a place that's opening up out here that does ketamine IV drips. No, I think that's I I'm not knocking that. I think that's something that could really help people. It can really help people, but you need it regulated. But apparently it's mindblowing. Apparently like Neil Brennan did it. Yeah. He said uh he because I go, "What is it?" I go, "You're gonna" Because he was doing a lot of other things, right? Cuz Neil's had some issues with depression. He's pretty open about it. And he was doing a

158:07bunch of different stuff. And then he said to me, he goes, "I'm going to do ketamine therapy." I go, "That's legal?" "You're going to Whitney's house?" [laughter] This was years ago. I go, "Is this legal?" He goes, "Yeah, apparently." I mean, I go, "Well, how much they dose you up with?" He goes, "I can't imagine it's a lot." Oh, wrong. They they strap him to a chair like he's a mental patient and shove a [ __ ] needle in his arm and they gave him an IV drip of ketamine and apparently it was like a fullblown psychedelic dose. And he goes, "Dude, I am in this doctor's office and I am [ __ ] tripping balls." I go, "Like like real tripping." He goes, "Like gone." Like I was g I couldn't believe how strong it was. It's an insane dose they give you, but they're monitoring you and watching you and then they talk it through with you

158:53and everything. I mean, but I don't know what ketamine is like. Did you have a blowout experience? I never No, I didn't go into a K-hole. Maybe when I was in high school when I was doing it. I mean, I used to do it at parties. It was like a rave drug. But what does it do to you? What does it make it feel? It's like I feel like a cloud. Like the night we did the rooftop thing, Whitney gave me some of her. I was I was like Whitney, she was like just do two squirts in each nostril. I'm like two squirts when you talking to Jay Lento. [ __ ] high as [ __ ] I was trying to get off that [ __ ] roof. I was like I'm a cloud. I'm a cloud. I'm a cloud. I just was like everything was just soft. I was like oh my god. I mean it felt great. But remember when Jay Leno's fixing Whitney zipper? There is a picture. I got a video.

159:33There's [laughter] a video. Whitney's crotch zipper broke. And then and Jay was She's like, "Jay, can you fix this?" And Jay's like, "Okay." His face is just in her crotch. That is so funny. But in all fairness, it was not his idea. It was [laughter] It was K Academy and Whitney. But she It was her She first had her pink hair. This was the beginning. It was the beginning of the end. [laughter] It was when she was first starting to trip. Yeah. God, she really But it was a She was laughing so hard. Now I know she's on Ketamine. She's I mean, honestly, I know. I thought I was killing. I was like, I just thought it was funny. You were funny. [laughter] It was funny. That was a fun time. anytime comics can get together like that and just talk about what we do because it's so it's a weird thing to do and it's like nobody no not everybody approaches it the same

160:16way and and it helps to have like one of the best things about the store was it helped to have all those other comics around that were our peers that we could hang with you know like that back bar I know the back bar is not open yet it's not open yet what why isn't it open it just isn't open yet is it co Yeah they still I don't know what they're I don't pay attention to any of the those rules. How does that make any [ __ ] difference? Well, it just kind of feels like if people wanted to get vaccinated, they got vaccinated and now let's just move forward. It's people's choice. It like the the rates of transm or the rates of uh people getting it now are so low. The rates of hospitalizations are so low. You're worse off if you have the flu now. It's like there's so few people that are getting it now. I just tapped out on my

160:56and they understand how to treat it. And then then there's treatments like Ivormectin and if you understand vitamins and I just hope more people Go ahead. Sorry. Just I just I hope more people use a preventative approach from here on out and take care of their body. Like just god damn it. Like a big part of what happened with this so many people I know that are really healthy got it and it was nothing because your immune system is [ __ ] strong. That's not outside. Look, for some people it is. Some people obviously have pre-existing conditions and medical issues and I'm not talking about them and I feel for them and I get it. But the rest of the people that are just normal, healthy folks, this is your chance. This is your wakeup call. Get your [ __ ] body together. Take care of it. Stop pump pumping shitty food.

161:42Laura bites this [ __ ] All right. What a Look at what she did. I was like a monster. Did we just do Freaky Friday? [ __ ] I gained weight. You lost it. What the hell is this? She's a monster. She's so [ __ ] disciplined. She's like ripped now. She You know what? She did always have it in her cuz she is so structured with her comedy and so like she works so hard. I remember going I I was like laughing with her about this because we I was helping her go shopping for her David's paid outfit two years ago or whatever and it was before she lost the weight and I was like, "Oh, you should wear this outfit." And she goes, "I can't show my arms." She goes, "Annie, uh, my arms um have never looked like that, like yours." And I went, "Yeah, but mine have looked like yours and now they do." [laughter] I was like, "You know, I work out." This

162:23was when I was doing this is when I was doing yoga and jiu-jitsu every [ __ ] day. So, I was like I was working. Yeah. Well, you can get back to that. Yeah. I started doing yoga again. I'm doing hot yoga again. Yeah. Hot yoga is awesome. They allow that. You have to do it with a mask on. You have to do it with a mask on, but it actually doesn't. It's not bad. It actually helps you breathe. It's not bad. Do you smell farts with that mask on? No m farts, but you do smell your own nasty ass breath. It's very early that I take. I know, right? You get it in the mask and it just bounces back at you. That's why you got to have a fresh mask each time. You don't want to be smelling that [ __ ] Do you use the paper ones? Those are the best. Yeah. Well, I was using Yeah. I don't You know what I like about them? You

163:01know, it's [ __ ] It's like people with bandanas on. They're just playing a game. Oh, the bandanas are really like hilarious. You're just playing a game. I'm a bandit. [laughter] And then I like how keep people keep them around their neck so they look stylish and then they pull it up and they have to. Well, it's like all the bike messengers were always wearing them. Some people get mad at you though. You can't wear the bandana. It's not good enough. Like airplanes wouldn't let you have the bandana. Are people still mad though? I don't know. Some people are some people are just looking for an excuse to be mad. They're excited about it. You know, I just I'm excited that this is coming to an end. We're getting back. Being on the road is so fun. How amazing are the shows? It's been great. It's so amazing. But I feel like I'm just getting my

163:44stage legs under me over the last few weeks and then like I did a show uh Friday night in Arizona and it felt normal, but it still feels like I got to work. Like it's like not having those 8 10 months of like steady work. It's like you got to get back in shape again. You got to get your stage legs back. It's fun though. I feel like a new fresh start. It feels great. I do too. But a lot of my material is not new. So a lot of my materials from the last, you know, year and a half or so before the pandemic. Do you feel like weird saying it? Is it hard to resonate with it now? No, it just needs to be um I wrote about it last night. I need to overhaul some stuff, get rid of some stuff. Some stuff is just like having the wrong impact. It's like I'm doing this bit about about offensive words and I'm like I feel like I need to restructure it. But there's a

164:32lot of things like that. It's like comedy is like so many of the bits that turned out to be some of my best bits. There was a point where I was like ready to give up on them. I was like this is not having the right it's not coming across the right way or people are misinterpreting it or I'm not doing a good job of expressing it. And then you just got to kind of step away and then I like to like take it and put it down on index cards and just like look at it and just stare at it and think about it like what am I doing? What am I trying to say? Like what how am I how am I what's a what's a like maybe I just maybe I need to rewrite the whole thing from scratch like it never existed. Like this this version of the bit doesn't exist. I know I already have that that's already written. Let me rewrite it. Rewrite the whole thing. Maybe there's a better way

165:15to do it because sometimes it's like you're losing a certain percentage of the crowd with uh the way you're saying something that you don't have to lose and you you can get them all or you get a lot more of them if you just restructure things. Try a different way. For me, like I know the discipline of like knowing where each word is is good, but I also feel like I get very like robotic when I do that. So if I just go this is the joke, this is the premise, and then I just redo it. Yeah, for sure. Then I'm saying it in a new way. I'm fresher. The audience is kind of hearing a new thing. Well, I don't even though when I restructure things, I still give myself the ability to freeball on stage because, you know, you have a feeling when there's too many words to something and you don't know until you're up there or maybe a feeling that like maybe you need more words

166:01or, you know, or maybe maybe you need to look at it from other people. You know, Stanho said something to me once that's like really resonated. It was always a great idea. He said, "I look at my bits like I'm a prosecuting attorney. Like I'm going after those bits for being [ __ ] up or I'm going after those bits for being lazy or something like that." It's like, "Oh, that's awesome. That's a great Yeah, great perspective." Yeah. Well, it's like how science is trying to prove themselves wrong. Yes. The good ones. Yeah. I love Doug Stan. You guys talked about me on this podcast and it was very, very nice. It was so sweet. I haven't met him yet, but really? Yeah. I met all his friends. He's the nicest. I Yeah. I want to go to Bisby. Would you go with me? No. Not into Bisby. That place is Let's bring him here. Ridiculous. Yeah, I'll bring him here. Do a show.

166:43I'll fly him out. Be so fun. Yeah. He um When do we get to fly private, Joe? And when do you want to? I don't know. Where can we go? What can we do? Oh, we'll figure it. Want to work with me on the road? Yeah. Want to do a gig? I would love to. Okay, we'll do some gigs. Can we go to Hawaii or Vegas? Um, well, I'm booked in Vegas already. I'm doing um I'm doing the MGM with Chappelle and Siguro. Wow. Oh, all three of you. Yeah. Nobody knows the cigura until now. I spilled the beans. Whoopsies. There you go. Yeah. July 8th and 9th. Oh, cool. We're doing the MGM. That's cool. And Donell is going to be there, too. And I don't know who else. I [ __ ] love Donnell. I love Donell. I told you he got me in my start and got pretty much like he put me up when I was fresh. Like I had just done like two open mics. I just quit drinking. My uh

167:27my friend went to school with Esther Coup that I was living with. And Esther Coup was like, "I forgot about Esther. You want to be a comedian?" She goes, "I'm going to Ashley Larry's party." So, I went to a Super Bowl party at his house talking to one of his friends. One of his friends was like, "Um, oh, you're funny. Are you a comedian?" And I was like, "Well, I just started or whatever." And he goes, "Darnell, put her on your new show." And he goes, "Are you ready this Monday?" And I go, "I'm not really ready." And he humiliated me in front of everyone. He was like, "Go hard or go home, bitch." Like, he would just like and I was so embar. And then I went and then he started putting me up every Monday. I went on the road with him. I love him. I saw him. I saw him when I was here last time. He was at the Vulcan and I waited till

168:04after set. I was like, "Hey," and he's like, "Bitch, why did you not come on stage when I was on stage?" I like didn't even think about it, but he's like, "You should have come up." He and I and uh Dave and all the [clears throat] people that opened uh when we did these stub shows, that was a real bonding moment because that was the height of the pandemic when everybody was freaked out and we were testing, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people for every show. Like every show we did, we tested the entire crowd and we did it outside and they all had masks on. But it was at the point of time where people were really freaked out and we put it together and we had a good time and a bunch of them [clears throat] wind up getting CO [laughter] but I didn't I know. I'm so happy I didn't get CO. Yeah, you you made it through. I'm really happy about that. I'm happy

168:45no one in my family got it. But you're a healthy person. You take care of yourself, you know. Yeah, but who knows? I mean, if stress gives it to you, then I could have gotten it. Yeah. If you don't have any sleep, you know, and you're not taking care of yourself. I mean, I got a [ __ ] ulcer. How? But I don't think that I think that one of the things they think about ulcers I think they think it might have to do with gut bacteria. Well, I think I was having like I was definitely have having acid reflux. I was having gird which is so gird. Gird is is there a dirtier name for anything? Gird. Did you just fart? Gird. No. Did you hear fart? That was probably me like laughing a little bit. Jamie farting is trying to pretend he was laughing. I don't smell it. [clears throat and cough] Maybe it's gird. Maybe it's some gird. It's like when you're you have acid

169:29reflux when you're sleeping and it wakes you. You choke on your own bile. It's horrific. That's what gird is. Yes. Okay. Gastro esophagal reflux disease or gird is a digestive disorder that affects the ring of muscle between your esophagus and your stomach. This ring is called the lower esophagal sphincter. Oh, you got a sphincter in your mouth. Yeah, that mouth sphincter heart. I've had a sphincter in my mouth. Um find out is uh are ulcers caused by uh gut bacteria? I definitely was eating bad. This was like in the height of the pandemic. I was like stress eating [clears throat and cough] and ulcer gut bacteria theory. Here it is. It's a type of bacteria enters uh live in your gest after many years they can cause soores called ulcers in the lining of your stomach. So, it's a type of bacteria that causes ulcers, but it doesn't mean that all ulcers are caused

170:24by bacteria. I I got tested for the H pori and I didn't have the H pori, but I was [ __ ] black. I was [ __ ] [ __ ] black. Look at this. So, it is bacterial species. Good. Click on that. [clears throat] Okay. Helcoacttor [laughter] pylori commonly called H pylori is a type of bacteria that infects the stomach and small bowel. It was discovered in ' 82 by Australian researchers who also found that it causes peptic ulcer disease. Peptic ulcers are often sore or open source in the lining of the stomach or the upper part of the small intestine. Do you take do you take kombucha or probiotics or anything along those lines? Yes. Do you? No. [clears throat] Yes. No. Do you want to? Yeah. Yeah. It's not I mean anybody can. Okay. I can do it. Yeah. Do you like kombucha? Kombucha's. Yeah, it's good. It's the only alcohol I drink.

171:21Yeah, if you get the real [ __ ] like the GT's kombucha, the ones that you have to have an ID to get. It's like, is that a relapse though? Quit drinking. I don't think it can be. Get wasted on kombucha. That's so hilarious. What an LA way to get drunk, right? You'd have to drink like a a gallon of it to catch a slight buzz. I mean, how many I think it's like one half of 1%. [clears throat] Like the amount of kombucha you'd have to drink to get drunk. Like what's the strongest kombucha you can get? I bet they have like beer kombucha where you get it. It'll actually get you lit. Definitely. Right. They do. Yeah, I was already typing that. I was going to type that there's like weed kombucha, too, which you can get high instead of I'm I am not eating any of that [ __ ] There's a place that I found in Arizona that serves weed pizza. I'm like, you

172:07can eat [ __ ] I'm not eating weed pizza. I don't know what I know they have the weed chefs that come in, but the thing is it's like who knows what dose that is. You know, you you get [ __ ] crippled with paranoia. Yeah, you're in an ambulance. [ __ ] If you don't expect [clears throat] it and you get hit with some crazy weed. Yeah, there's a hard kombucha that says it's 4.5, which is that's like average beer, I think. [clears throat] Is that average beer? I mean, I think even higher. No, no, no, no. Canadian beer's like nine. Like [clears throat] more. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What's the limit in Utah? That's like four something. Yeah, it's like Utah beer. Okay. It's [ __ ] ass beer. In Utah, they used to have it where if you bought alcohol in a mixer, you had to buy them at separate spots. You had

172:51to buy your alcohol there because it's hard kombucha, so it's made to be alcohol. It's like gluten-free [clears throat] beer when you're like, "Come on now." No, the alcohol I mean, um, alcohol in in Utah is weird because it's like they want to make money and have commerce, but they also want to uphold their weird Mormon rules. Like I I had a friend who was a Mormon and uh he's like you can't have coffee, you know, in in my religion. But meanwhile, this [ __ ] would carry a Monster energy drink everywhere he went. They are delicious. They are they are good. But he would drink like four or five of them in a day. I go, "Dude, you know how many [ __ ] milligrams of caffeine you're taking in?" And he was like, "Hey, well, they're just finding like loopholes, right?" Because it's whatever. It's exactly what it was.

173:28Well, I've never been to Utah, but I am going to be at in Salt Lake City. Utah's awesome doing shows, which I'm excited about. Why are you there? I'm there uh next month in July. The dates will be on my andyletterman.com. Letterman.com. They're up there. Can you get those on your um Instagram, Annie Letterman? You know, uh you you can you will be able to tomorrow when this airs. Oh, you will have them. They will be in my um stories in the What are those stories when they're the circle and you keep the stories? Oh, you save them. Save stories. Yeah, I'll put them in save stories. So, they will be up. But do you have a schedule of where you're going that's up on your actual Instagram so people can see you should get a graphic made so it shows You know what I found that when you have the graphics it doesn't go out? What do you mean doesn't

174:12it doesn't like it doesn't when they see the words on it in the algorithm they don't give it to you because they want you to buy ads. What? But I'll make one up if maybe one of my really like successful friends wants to Yeah. But it's post about it. But you have hundreds of thousands of followers. Yeah. But it just will only get seen by like a few thousand. What? Yeah, that's real. Yeah, I mean that's how they control the feed to make money. Yeah. Explain that. Uh I mean it's built towards small businesses, but because you are a small business, you know, self a comedian promoting yourself, they don't want I've had to cuz I had to deal with these uploading them. It'll notice if you have it's not the amount of text, it's where the text is and how big it is. So, if it's taking up 10% of the picture, it will just not go out into the feed

174:56unless instantly, you know, 10% of your people like it, comment on it, share it themselves, bookmark it, do all these things. They want you to pay to to set for ads. Yeah. Oh, so if you do that and you want to promote it, you'd have to like a promoted ad and then it would show up as a promoted ad. But people get grossed out by those. Yeah. And I don't want to do that. I mean, if I have to, I'll do it. But, you know, who knows? Maybe people repost But if you just put it there, at least people that go to your page will find you trying to repost it. No, no, no. I would never do that. I'm not desperate. That's It seems like I'm not see I'm not a desperate person. Yeah. Okay. Andyman.com. Go there. No, but I'll post it. Yeah. No, I will post it. I'll have it up and I can put if I put it in the stories with links and then I can put it in the one of my saved things.

175:43Do all that [ __ ] I will do all that [ __ ] I will. Annie Letterman on tour. I'm just so f It's so fun. I'm just like loving it. I'm excited for you. It's so nice cuz I mean when when we first met, you were in the [ __ ] the heat of the struggle, kid. You know, I was living on my car and [ __ ] for the second time. Now you're balling. I feel great. I'm very excited. It's so fun. It's just such a different experience when you do weekends. And are you coughing because I drank the water and you can't drink No, I drank coffee before this this stuff and it's got um like a lot of like flem stuff in it. Like this must have some sort of milk or something in it [clears throat] cuz I keep doing that. But god damn is this delicious. Black rifle coffee, your espresso 300. But there's such a difference. Like do

176:26you even remember when you would perform and they didn't know who you were? Oh yeah, for sure. It's so hard because I'm such a specific, you know, I'm myself. So, it's like a lot of people aren't going to like me, which is totally fine, but it's to do to do these shows where most of the audience is just people that are like, "Let's take the family out to a comedy show and then I'm like they're like, "Oh god, it's just such a different experience when people know who I am." It's just so fun. I don't think it started happening to me. Well, when it happened to me, it was actually a trick because they knew me from Fear Factor. So, it's really kind of a dirty trick. Like some people knew me for my standup, you know, like I was doing I was selling out some clubs. Like I would do really well in some places back before Fear Factor, like when I was

177:10on News Radio, but even maybe then they liked me from News Radio. Maybe some people saw me because of that and then maybe like my comedy. But it wasn't until after Fear Factor that people started coming to see me specifically knowing what I did and that took took a while. It was during the beginning of the podcast days like in 2009 that it [clears throat] really started to take off. That was when that was when I started doing big theater and people start to really invest in like who you are and they're just excited to Well, you get you know this from doing your own podcast and doing all the other podcasts you've done. People you're in their head in this weird way like they know you like people come up to me like dude and I'm like hey what's up? Yeah I know. And then I slam them into a wall and asked for 100 [laughter] bucks. That was one of the funniest things.

177:59Honestly, our little thing. That was every time I would see you like, "Hey, keep a little something for yourself." Joey's like, "What are you doing?" And I was like, "Joe, do not laugh at the [ __ ] joke, Joey. It's a funny joke." It was a funny joke we were doing. No, thank you so much. I'm very grateful. That was very helpful back then. Yeah. Well, I'm so happy that I don't need that anymore. No, I'm happy you don't need it. I knew you weren't going to I knew it was like There's certain people that you just know. you just know if you're you already had the most important thing. You were already funny. It was just a matter of the rest of the world figuring it out and you putting in the time and developing a real act. You know, that's all it was. It's like I [clears throat] always say that to like people that are struggling in the

178:37beginning. I always go way out of my way to tell them that. I'm like, "You already have it. You got the thing. You're [ __ ] You know who's [ __ ] hilarious? Brian Simpson." Oh yeah. He really is. Holy [ __ ] Is that dude funny? Holy [ __ ] He has something coming out. I don't think I'm allowed to tell, but you will be you'll know who he is. You'll know who he is soon. He's a [ __ ] monster. We did a bunch of shows at uh Creek in the Cave and at Vulcan. He's one of those guys. I told him, I go, "Dude, you're going to be [ __ ] huge. You're going to be huge." Cuz his premises are so clever. His delivery is fantastic. He's He murders. And he's got the most important part, which is like some people are really good at marketing and they're really good at like putting

179:18He's He's just a murderer on stage. just a murderer and it's just time. It's just time before everybody figures it out. And honestly, that's what he's one of the products. I think him, Larites, I would say myself, too, like those late night spots of the comedy store where you just get to kind of perform to so few people, but you really get to figure your [ __ ] out. Yeah. And you really The comedy store process actually really does work for you. Oh, yeah. And then that you just start getting like now they're giving me such good spots. It's so fun. the the the process works, but also what also works is that that boiler room of all those other comics around you that are killers, like and you you are doing a show and Jessel Nick's on the show and this person and that person, all these killers, you're you're just bang bang

180:02bang bang bang all these people that are murdering and you go on stage after them and you know, you have to kind of keep that same energy. Yeah, it's a big big factor. It's really fun. It is. Well, when Tommy was doing it, he used to put me in between like killers when I was very new. I want to do it. He'd go he'd go. He'd go, "I'm gonna catapult you up." And then um and then Adam came in and then I was right back to the bottom. But I worked my way up. A little bitter. Sound a little bitter. I'm not bitter. That's okay. No, I'm grateful. I really honestly I feel like very happy with my trajectory. Well, you should. You're [ __ ] hilarious. And I feel like I got time to figure it out. You'll You'll be on the top of the food chain in just a couple. I guarantee you 100%. [ __ ] hilarious and you're awesome and I love you. I love you, too.

180:45Thank you so much. I might have missed my plane, but it was worth [clears throat] it. [ __ ] your plane. All right. Um, Andy Letterman.com. Annie Letterman on Twitter. Annie Letterman on Instagram. Instagram is my favorite. She don't show my butt too much. Sometimes it peaks. Goodbye everybody.