Suzanne Santo & Gary Clark Jr.

00:15we're live we're rolling now don't don't clam up let me tell you what are you telling me about acid tell me right into it yes because it was very and i stopped you because it was too good it was like it was very interesting well you were saying that you did it once and you you were in a bathtub and it was interesting but then you did it where were you the second time you did so the first time i did it i was with uh three other people and we like you know it was celebrating someone's birthday and all my friends are like pretty spiritual in that way like meditative and annoying you know no it's good stuff i love it i think i'm kidding i know it can be annoying i agree that can be really really long people 100 when it's inauthentic it's super nice oh yeah yeah no i i think there's it's like any other area of you pick up on it you're like no i had two different yoga

01:06teachers that did the same thing and with one of them it was amazing or the other one it was so annoying yeah well the guy would like chant and class and he would sing and i'd be like let get me away from this he was just a artist it was like a fake spiritual guy but then another guy who did it his classes were all donation based you didn't have to pay to come and you would see ladies pull up in mercedes and not pay i'd be like you dirty they just wouldn't pay was that the good one or the bad the good one yeah the good one he did the exact same thing yeah you can tell there was no pretense yeah so i'm sorry no i'm i'm with you though i feel the same way i have spiritual friends and it was more of like a we i laughed for like eight hours it was just like laugh therapy and just around like wonderful people just good energetic and i i was so i was high for like two days

01:56but i found myself wanting to like go in and i kept going into his bathtub and like he had like this glass door so when you shut it the sound was really and that's what i wanted and but i didn't really get to go there because everyone's like come back let's all like hang out you know and so uh last week i went with my best girlfriend to celebrate her mother's birthday and her mom passed away five years ago and we went out to joshua tree it was beautiful i mean first and foremost the the thing that i admire most about the process is like setting an intention when you want to heal from it you know like you can party like i did the week before you're just like hanging out but i wanted to go somewhere else and we did and you know there was this moment too where we were sitting just the two of us we were sitting around a fire and my friend's been through some crazy crazy in her life like

02:58dark stuff and there's this like space of sacred pain where like she told me things that no one she doesn't talk about and she's like it comes out and vice versa and it was just this like that's the place where we put it that's the place where we had love for each other and was like i see you i respect all your you've been through and then we went to like the next phase of it of the trip and at one point you know we were laughing too going in and out of like laughing hysterically and having like the best time and then having this like intense spiritual moments and and and therapeutic as such like that's why i love it but at one point i don't know how to describe it like we first of all the stars like were there was like galactic geometry like you can just see all this crazy in the sky and it feels alive and at one point we went up it was like this cabin and

03:58then you had to walk up the hill for the bathroom in the kitchen so you're really in the middle of nowhere and at one point like the frequency changed and it went and the only other time i'd experienced that was when i smoked dmt like a decade ago and it scared me because i was like there is there is something there is like there is an energy that just presented itself and and my friend and i experienced it at the same time which i don't think is a thing that happens for people often i don't know like i've never had like we were visited by like it felt like another star system i mean it sounds like hocus pocus but i i don't think it's always pokey it was amazing that's why i wanted you to talk about it i think yeah i think we're uh we have a limited idea of what's possible in terms of like what reality is and when you do psychedelic drugs you experience this

04:53thing that you can't experience naturally right you have this these wild visualizations and you feel like you're being visited by entities and things are communicating with you and some people say well it's hallucinations your mind is playing tricks on you and all these things it might be that for sure but also it might be possible that there's a frequency that you can tap into with these things that's not available to you right and that these things are always here so like there's a lot of people that think when when when they're talking about like the ufo phenomenon there's a lot there's a lot of people that think these things aren't just visiting from other star systems they're visiting from other dimensions right and that they're there all the time and they can come in and out and they can go and we we were like oh we're like trying to grab ghosts like

05:40we're like i just need to bring it home and show everybody proof right you're never gonna you're never gonna have proof it's like it's not it's not available in this plane but when you do mushrooms or when you do acid or when you do dmt you get these windows into like what's around you all the time yeah i think if you pay more attention to energy in that way too it's like this is going to sound super weird but i it's it is the truth like my my friend you know her mother was this like incredibly like spiritual mystic woman and she collected uh gemstones from all over the world and jewels and one day uh kp my friend was like she's like suze i really want you to have some my mother's jewelry and it was like a great honor and i was like well yeah i would love that and i'm wearing some of it right now and um i started having dreams about her mom and it felt

06:34very like visited and it wasn't like it was really beautiful so like that stuff when you are taking psychedelics and you have an intention of like settling things you know it i believe in that like the fact that we both experienced this frequency change at the same time and i was like are you are you hearing that and are you seeing that because it was like it was like the the whole sky like it flipped it was like a photo negative it was so crazy i'm missing out man i'm not having done lsd dmt none of those things let's go i've done mushrooms and i don't know how you can like hang out and be with people i always kind of i start laughing a little bit and then i start to find myself like disappear and i'll be like hanging out with a tree or something that's awesome but that's great that's the best part yeah i mean that's the the best part of mushrooms is nature right yeah

07:31yeah but there's something you definitely get from that you know feeling re-energized and you know kind of like a reset that's kind of what i get from that it's phenomenal for people with ptsd yeah people with ptsd a lot of soldiers experience uh these mushroom trips and just relaxes them relieves them of a lot of the pressure right that they have yeah you know it's um but like per your point like it is important to make sure you're in good hands with whoever you're doing it with like and it could be like when you're good buds but like sometimes like you know when some some folks don't quite have a handle on their darkness you probably don't want to do acid for the first time with somebody like that you know and that's no disrespect to people you know that have to deal with it's just like because there's no um there's no seatbelt you know like you're just

08:19going yeah that was my first my kind of first trip was hanging with a bunch of folks and we hadn't done it before all of a sudden you know the guy's hospital he was like y'all need to get the out of my house right now no i'm in high school i was skipping high school i'm like i'm skipping high school and so we spent the whole day with like tripping balls right and then all of a sudden he freaks out and so i got to go home and i'm skipping so i'm just kind of standing out walking around my neighborhood staring at me signing with nowhere to go i finally go back to my house tripping ball my mom's there my little sister's there my grandma's there no i just went up to my room and just curled into a ball i remember one time tripping and it's only happened to me once but one time tripping where i i felt like i could see the patterns of of existence that aren't available within the naked

09:10eye like i could see that there's like some weird like grid to everything yes the grid you've seen the grid yeah i've seen you know we're talking about yeah it's like the matrix it's so weird it you kind of like you feel like you can almost step through it sometimes you can you can in meditation too no it's for real i have seen the grid as well i think that's what the photo negative was this time too it's like presents itself differently but it's like i love this i felt so good ever since too i think when you have these alternative states of consciousness these altered states of consciousness and you enter into this different frame of mind and your your brain tunes into this it's like a fleeting but completely different frequency like you can't hold on to it for very long but when you get there you'll it it seems more real than regular life that's the weirdest part about like tripping

10:02is that a lot of times when you're tripping it's more vivid than regular life and you you come back and you go wait wait is this the yeah and is that yeah that that is that like what's possible but i can't tune into it because i'm too connected to the monkey brain oh that's real that it is so real but i think i think every time you do it you're gonna be served something differently depending on where you're at in your life like like my friend who has been through profound trauma and is like on top of her game like she's she's like kind of a media mogul and she works so hard and she has a beautiful family and she's she's just a good person but she like handled her and continues to do so and i think that like when you because you know those phases like i don't know about you but you haven't gone into this area of psychedelics but like i always have this like at some point

10:55usually like a deep deep cry of like recognition for things like you know like stuff that hap like my my dad pain and being like okay like there's this wound of like bad sad stuff and then i'm like well this has also shaped who i am so this is like where i get my warrior strength and i got that during one of my journeys and i was like cool thanks for uh reminding me and it sucked to go there i didn't want to go i don't want to remember just like painful memories but then i acknowledged them and then i went to the next phase of you know then it then then it got galactic you know but i think you have to you get access to that stuff when you get past your personal books yes that's what i think yeah for sure yeah i think you understand it more i think there's there's a bunch of different altered states of consciousness that people achieve that we take for granted and i

11:50think music is one of them and i was really thinking that after your show last night i haven't seen a live performance in so long to be able to sit in anton's and just take it in man it was it was amazing first of all you killed it killed it and those brothers who are those brothers peterson damn those guys are good yeah out of backdrop texas right now shout out to the peterson brothers yeah man they're they're amazing i'm amazed at seeing them since they were like nine and eleven yeah they're still early twenties yeah they seem so young and uh the guitar player had this effortless style uh it pisses me off he was so fast i was saying that last night i hate watching musicians that make it look easy because i'm struggle-faced like all day there they are right there yeah man there they are yeah like he has like this sweet smile he's a smile sweet smile and he's glenn on the guitar that's

12:52my guy john dee's back there on keys brandon temple on drums oh my god that dude glenn when he shreds he just has a smile on his face and it's crazy yeah it's real sweet to watch we we've we've done a lot of shows out with them on tour running around look at these hippies look at the things hanging from the wall and full-on hippies you went over their house like oh they have weed that's what my studio used to look like you're like actually that's your studio gary the uh the vocals last night too well aside from your voice sounding so amazing do the dudes normally sing with you that much that many voices well i i um suzanne gets sensitive to that i loved it well yeah did i oh my nose itches from the test no i was like my eyes watering it was beautiful um yeah but i switched up my band right before everything got locked down right now and um and so yeah it was really important i i grew up

13:50you know being a choir dude and loving like r b groups and all that type of stuff so i love those harmonies that curtis makes it seem like you're in your element like for for real it was beautiful i was i mean we been in the house for months i mean yeah setting up the studio we got so up like i went and bought a light system and i'm running a light show in there just because i miss it so much it looks like lights flashing just for yourself just because i missed the energy oh my god yeah but yeah man about live performance it takes you to another place it really does and i i think by the time we got there i was pretty sober you know yeah like it wasn't being high it was just sitting there and and you're you're hearing these sounds and and you experience expression and creativity from the people that are playing and it like puts you in this place that you don't get to without music

14:43that's a very it's a very interesting place that you get to particularly see live music and then there's the other factor the crowd vibe yeah like there's this vibe of the crowd like in between songs it's like this good feeling yeah this is great i missed it thank you thanks for coming out here sitting in sorry we up yourself it was so good you know what i love about that it was so real and like that's the thing like goes wrong on stage and i'm so used to it it's like well this guitar is crapping out on me so i'm just going to put it down and and move around and yeah it was fun it was awesome it was awesome it was beautiful it was i mean that was the first time we've been out this this week doing stuff you know and i was really inspired by seeing you guys you know come down and do stuff i was like i gotta get back out yeah well i got inspired by doing by

15:31first of all i i took a long time off i did uh one weekend in july and then i got weirded out i was like where was that in the houston improv okay but i was like i don't want to get anything it was inside yeah i was like i don't want to get any sick i don't want to get sick but then after a while like i gotta live my life like i can't this is a part of my life and then tony was in town yeah and tony was doing this place called vulcan gas company and i dropped in and did a set and then immediately i was like okay i'm back cool like right away and then dave was here the next week and dave's like come come do a set so i did a set and then after the show dave grabs me he's like let's do a residency joe rogan he was loving it he's like this is so much fun come on let's have some fun and i was like let's have some fun it so we're doing a bunch of shows in december and then we're gonna

16:19probably do some more uh in the upcoming months too i mean that's why i'm here like that's full circle it's so crazy because i told i know i've told you both the story but like to explain it it's like i was sitting in the studio telling my producer about this new song that's on our on my record that i love and i was like i wrote this in one sitting after watching sticks and stones for the fourth time because i've seen it so many times but it it's such a powerful work of i mean you call it art yeah but like it's so much more than comedy and the way that dave like what he's doing is is so powerful and it it speaks to a greater uh area of thought that we need to acknowledge and also makes you laugh and he weaves it in this way that it's like i can't put it to words and i was so and i don't write songs in one sitting like i'm lazy so like i i couldn't i just couldn't stop and i

17:17was telling uh john spiker my producer i was like god i just love that guy and then i opened up my instagram and it was like joe rogan and dave chappelle doing it residency at stubs and i was like what the and i texted you and i i was like i shouldn't go i shouldn't that's not safe i shouldn't go and then i texted you and you're like well let's jam and i was like oh my god now i have to go but gary already beat the cooties yeah yeah so glad you're better we got two cootie virgins in this room and then two cootie veterans i'll tell you what if i get cooties from your show last night worth it yeah you're welcome i just don't want to give it to anybody else yeah yeah that's it yeah yeah i'm doused the i don't see anyone i live alone and i'm single so i'm just gonna go home after this at the end of the day like we all gotta live our lives like i envy people like

18:06jamie and you that have got it and kicked it and don't worry about it now because now you can just kind of wander around you know you don't have to be worried about it like wander around a little bit but i mean i'm still don't i don't know yeah you don't know but only like i think worldwide some less than 10 people have ever got it twice a friend of mine pretty crazy friend of mine wife's friend who's a nurse got it twice within like four weeks being a nurse she might not have ever kicked it if it's within four weeks she might not have ever kicked it you know the the thing about nurses is they're just the i hate this term viral load it sounds dirty but they they just get a lot of viral load you know it's like they're don't i know it does sound pretty gross no they do they're on the front lines man my sister's a nurse she's she works with the babies though

19:00she's in a nicu unit but it's still like you gotta watch yourself it's rough yeah yeah yeah when yeah that's wild stuff friend of mine his his wife is a nurse and she was pregnant doing this whole thing it's still going to work jesus that's gangster absolutely straight up g damn that's as gangster as it gets because you got to think about this little child inside are there studies on how it affects babies anyone who's pregnant who gets it is there any like information on them i don't think they know you've got to think about this is an a pandemic it's like there's so much information that they need to compile after all this all said and done right it's wild we're living through but it could be a whole lot worse you know it could be yeah i think that like it's a nice wake-up call that it's not nice that's not the right word but like it's a wake-up call that

19:55i i'll speak for myself it's like shape my life for the better because like you know there's no touring there's no like i can i can do like night after night after night like day after day after day of travel and be exhausted and like maybe not tend to some of the emotional things that i've had to tend to during quarantine and i have deep gratitude for it because i face that down that's real well sometimes you need your schedule to get thrown off just just so you recognize like listen you're not in control of anything yeah this is good for you it's good for you to know you gotta you gotta be adaptive yes all the time and this this is throwing i mean some people have thrived through this i know people that have lost weight created new comedy specials right like there's just people that have like worked really hard through it and said listen i'm going to use this time

20:49and there's other people that are just falling apart they're on twitter 12 hours a day yelling yeah man now this this thing has been it's been a real reality check for me i mean touring has been everything for me and i was touring for the last 10 years and hadn't been able to move around you know and i was like oh that's all i got you know this is it and uh but it's been cool man because you know i'm fortunate like i i haven't been home i've missed a lot of things with my two older kids you know i missed the first steps i missed the first words i missed all that kind of stuff and so i got you know my little one-year-old and this time i've seen everything i've seen the teeth you know pop up i've seen my oldest teeth fall out you know and all that kind of stuff and just been around for those things and watch their brains work every day and pick up something and put it back out

21:39there so that's amazing i've really taken this time to just kind of be there and thank god my wife she's got like three businesses and jewelry stuff and got this uh thing called bump suit you know she's selling clothes to pregnant women and so she's been holding this whole thing down for a while i've been able to just kind of re-evaluate yeah what am i gonna do you know because it's touring like you know doing another hustle i just been barbecuing man i've been in the house on the smoker like trying to make the best brisket i can't smoke too that's good that's what i've been doing yeah we went to uh what's special we went to terry black's and they showed us these grills that they made themselves these smokers yeah they well they had made with like uh propane tanks yeah you know they had the giant propane tank crazy things and then you know the offset with the box and the problem

22:27with that is you you look at that and go okay i think i need one in my life yeah i think you need to start you would build in yeah i need to start welding do you have like a grill selection in your at your house do you have like i'm not sure which girl i want to use today kind of thing i have two but okay one of them i just used to see her but the main cooking i do like traeger which is like the easiest is that the one that looks like an egg no no i got rid of that one that one uh it triggers like uh it looks like it is a smoker but yeah the box has pellets in it right you know it's all electronic yeah you can set it on your app i'll set it to like one the out of here yeah i got one of them too though it's the i love it i go back and forth between like analog and digital which is the same way i am with my yeah right music life but it's like you know i like

23:13smelling like you know do you ever get into those digital pedal boards that's that was it yeah i cut the line there yeah i i'm with you on that what is that you want to see the pedals with digital pedalboard is like instead of standing on it you would some nerd it's just like it's it's press a button it's like a whole interface of like like when like gary's pedal board last night there's all these different pedals and they're different colors and sizes and they look like that oh there's the helix yeah yeah yeah is this not as much fun how do you go up and down because i see you you guys use your feet to one of the things i love about music is i don't know anything so i love watching like wow how they're making these crazy noises like but i notice you're moving your feet up and down like how would you do that that's a volume pedal that's different oh that's or why is that a huawei pedal

24:03or what i was using yeah yeah it's probably why it's going up and down yeah yeah so how would you do that digitally i don't know how this stuff works i don't like yeah that's stuff i don't know whatever yeah i was showing them both they like the alternative of having everything all together guitar pedal orgy wow with the digital and you step on these things chad yeah you see the torgy like you know like the green one will give you like a kind of a boost a little distortion you know how do you know which one to grab jesus a lot of time at home alone just making noise just just yeah oh what does that do smoke one like trip out for a couple hours it's fun yeah i'm not very good at it it's fun to watch other people crush it i learned a lot last night music is a trip it really is because it's kind of like a drug in some ways like there's songs that you hear when you're working out that

25:01just juice you up like like a legit jew like if you could drink a shot doesn't it jump start my heart was that that's good yeah kick start my yeah heart a good one yeah dude don't you worry about a thing that is my opening song of my workout playlist dude you show me some love and yeah my phone always blows up when you get stuff like yeah when you played that last night for your final song it was like yes with the peterson brothers too that was amazing and that was like a 10 minute version of it it was incredible i know man and i was thinking about that too it was like people hadn't heard music in a long time and i'll go for two two and a half hours is this too much no it was perfect it was perfect it was perfect we enjoyed the out of it we had such a great time but did if you could get in a shot form like what it does when you hear a great song when you're working out like yeah

25:52you know i mean that yeah that's that's it's a drug it does something to your body it changes molecules and it does it does it really actually does the more good music you have in your life i gotta think you're gonna have a better life it's a more enjoyable life that's why it's weird when people don't listen to music when they're like no i don't really you know who the are those they're out there doug stanhope doesn't doug stanhope hates music that's weird but i like him a lot you know i guess because i love it so much i wouldn't i don't know how you could just like turn that off yeah part of my whole life yeah yeah i mean i can't imagine i was saying last night like i just playing in my living room by myself is super rewarding like i just it's like medicine you know and i do miss shows for sure but i still like at its core just picking up a guitar and singing in my living room alone

26:50actually discovered the other week that i i live in like a house kind of apartment the top of this old house there's wood floor under the carpeting and i ripped it up and i refinished it and stained it i did like 30 hours of work it looks beautiful yourself yeah i like projects like and i don't like idle time so when i have like like something to do like that that's just like labor i'm all in but i will tell you the sound in my living room is so awesome now like just even as soon as i took it i could i'll text you what i did as soon as i ripped it up i was like clapping and it was like you know like just the acoustics were so great but it like meant the world to me to do it during this and then because that's i mean i'm not really going too many places i'm not playing music so out other than in my living room upgrade yeah i'm almost done almost done with the record

27:45there's there's so many songs and they're not going to fit on a vinyl so i got to make some gotta kill your babies no i'm not going to kill them i'm going to put them on ice in a little chamber time capsule and then they'll whatever happened to big man big man it's on if you guys own that is that now we own the song but it's well big man's on honey honey's three it is oh not big man talking about kid punk kids oh yeah uh we own it it's just never been released i don't know why we've been we should just put it out on spotify it's a great song you're holding on to some stuff i think that the thing with honey honey is we're just like disorganized and that's the truth we have lots of cool we were doing a podcast for a minute uh and we'll probably do it again it was it was on patreon it was really fun we would it was like our wayne's world we would just like play some songs and then just

28:43it was really a therapy hour where we would talk about how we'd recovered from a toxic relationship and how we love each other as friends so much that was pretty much it but a lot of people really liked it um but yeah i mean he ben's like scoring a film he has his own music i've got my music i'm um producing a television show that we're selling i told you about that and it's just like there's a lot going on man moving yeah but i want to do it all tearing up carpet yeah sanding down floors yeah i kind of broke my body on that one though that was that was a tough serious work that's like real labor did you use all the chemicals and too no i had well yeah my my good buddy is a furniture maker and i had a festool sander which is like a top of the line and it has a hepa filter so it sucks up all the sawdust so i didn't have to like you know um uh what's the word i want to use uh die yeah

29:40i didn't want to die well i did you know i polyurethaned and i like i have two kitty cats that i love to death and i i locked them in my kitchen for a couple days and when i let them out bootsy collins did like puke for a few days and i was like oh god did i just kill her but she's fine she's cool cats are adaptable they are soaking those chemicals names bootsy collars she's the best she doesn't have a tail they had to cut her tail off because somebody heard her when she was a kitten and yeah but she's cool man she's so she's one of those like she's she's a cat with trauma but she's so happy all that like she purrs all the time and she's a good girl yeah you're a cat lady i am you know i got shamed for it recently and i was like really i thought that was interesting because i have a lot of love to give and i got him because i was lonely and i was like i and i love animals like i'm

30:32i want i realized recently i do want babies and i want a big house full of animals babies and like music and a revolving door of just like incredible guests with food on the table and we're just like feasting and loving life that's what i want this is what you've been thinking of during the quarter yeah yeah because i didn't think i wanted to give you babies or you got to get go yeah he's around he's coming i don't know where he was i don't feel it he's out there yeah yeah when the vibration changes yeah well because i'm so happy like alone so it's like gonna take like a warrior king you know like i'm not gonna like i'm gonna throw up it's true because any guy who calls himself a warrior king yeah that's kind of up it's just he he can't he can't call himself that only i can call him that that's the rule you shouldn't even call him that maybe think it thank you can i call him

31:29thor can i call him thor gary how long would a relationship last if a woman was calling you a warrior king nick calls you that doesn't she this is gonna be yeah my wife she calls me king yeah there you go that's kind of cool put a warrior in front of it warrior's the the thing that makes it douchey though yeah okay can i just say king then yeah help me refine my vision board warrior king it's like okay king sounds like a tv show yeah it does and i think it is one actually i feel like i've seen that on netflix i'm so embarrassed oh can i get it this is your you're honest with your fantasies there's nothing wrong i just shamed you it's my fault no it's okay i can handle it but like i got shamed for the cats my uh my neighbor made some comment about like because i was like oh man i think i want to foster a dog too because i love dogs and he was like whoa suz you're really pushing it

32:22with the cats already and i said what do you mean he's like well bros aren't into that and i was like i don't want a bro and i was like who said bros aren't in account i don't want to get into who it was but i was like oh no i can't beat that guy i can't date that guy that's like some red and fair what if what if the guy was perfect but he was really in the cosplay and everything else about him was great i know that's like that's like the nightmare but no no there's i'm oh i'm fine i'm having a good time flying solo like i'll pass what about everything else was great you're just really into dressing up that would take some time that would take some time i was like she was just should i have to tell you about i need you to put on this bunny suit really important to me i know it's gonna sound crazy but i'm going to dress up like conan and you're going to be red sonja

33:14you got the hair for it right now you're not in yeah i mean it depends it depends no now i'm scared you should be going back to king just king so uh your douchebag neighbor said the guys aren't into cats yeah he shamed me for having too many animals and being a single woman i was like okay so let me let me just add this up so like i have things that i love and i take care of and that is a negative reflection of my person as a dateable per like entity i'm like that's dumb that's dumb that's super duper your neighbor um a happy person well then he i like i like kind of neutered him i got mad i was like what the wrong with you dude and then he went you know well i am pretty lonely so maybe you have a point and then i was like well yeah step up i was so mad i was like how dare you wow yeah i don't i don't like making people feel bad but the susanna don't make fun of my cats

34:14sometimes the people are sad they lash out at other people you know yeah that's another expression hurt people hurt yeah there you go that's the truth that's what it is it's just laughing but i don't want to hurt the people that hurt the people i i'd actually like to be kind to them and too late it was too late people get like super sensitive about their pets though because it's a part of your life you know someone talks about a cat or a dog that you love you're like man well a lot of people don't like cats it's interesting like people that don't like dogs they don't like dogs people that don't like cats hate cats like it's like you know this weird attitude and that's fine it was more the like attacking my person thing i was like hold on yeah i get it i mean some people have like ferrets and you know rodents as pets i'm not into that snakes yeah i'm not into that that's that's

35:06when you know you got a real problem like you're you're willing to take some serpent into your house and pretend that thing gives a about you it's an interesting energy you know of the people that like that stuff too they're just trying to be interesting there's some guy who who's living here and he had a pet cobra i think that got out and yeah in his car or something and like that's just god damn right killed him in this car no here in austin well something like this i'm not sure but like some dude had a cobra and he killed him people like whenever someone gets a pet alligator it usually ends up like in ohio out in the lake like you can't have a pet alligator here it is autopsy to use cobra to commit suicide oh wow well that's different that's dark that is dark that's dark oh he had multiple separate bites on each arm the bite showed no evidence that he

36:04tried to pull away from the snake as it struck the autopsy said the bites appeared to be intentional injection sites and thompson had a history of suicidal ideation oh that's rough okay well imagine your kid carrying the kids just really in the dark be like yeah he'll be fine he's got a cobra to keep him company that's how i'm not having a damn snake that specifically thought out way to go like damn well anyways i think you're good with your cats yeah thanks gary snake got out and they couldn't find it for a little while oh my god yeah that's like oh jeez austin police searching for cobra believed to have killed a man you know what this is interesting on that note gary and joe rogan there there was this is not funny uh in ohio i think it was in zanesville jamie do you remember when that guy had all the animals yeah and they he committed suicide but before he did he

37:02let them all out and they were bears lions tigers wolves and the saddest thing is that they killed all of them the cops had the cops killed but they were like they had to shut down the schools because they were trying to get a cat there was like like 70 animals or something that this man had but it's interesting like the psychology of it of like the people that are doing that it's like you're not supposed to have those animals let alone in ohio well people didn't want to kill themselves too like they their whole vision of what life is is off right they're just ready to end it so they're like let the cats they're not even thinking about what's gonna happen to these cats yeah 18 tigers 17 lions eight bears three cougars two wolves one baboon one macaque and one man dead in ohio wow yeah man well i mean how many people watched tiger king and decided they need a tiger in their yard that was

37:57tough during good ones here you can get a lot you can there's more here in captivity than all the wild of the world in texas in private collections there's more tigers in people's yards in texas than of all of the wild of planet earth what yep there's a bit i had in my act 2016 triggered available now on netflix damn right i mean i get first of all that's up but but also like you know um environment from the environmental standpoint like is that a like do they thrive here like just being outside no you can just get them because me like wow that's why we saw gary last night you're gonna go see a live show like people can do things here you go we ate at a restaurant yesterday was the last time you did that it's been a very long time i i've gone to outdoor restaurants in l.a but not not inside yeah you can go inside here it was so fun texas is a different animal and they let you have zebras

38:51right yeah i knew it dude the other day i met a dude who was getting some zebras he was talking about getting remember that guy he's talking about getting some zebras like why are you getting what's he gonna do with the zebras have him just wander around his yard what are you doing there's like made him i was like well all right yeah you're gonna mate zebras was he trying to sell you a zebra no no but i would think of it the problem is if someone offers you one you go how much room do they need what do they eat okay you can't zebras can't be tamed you know they're in the horse family but sure no one rides a zebra no not happening baby doesn't seem right wow i'm thinking about it the first time i left to go out on tour heading out west towards around like schneider texas i looked out somebody had a ranch and i was like is that a zebra yeah it's like a zebra sure there's a

39:40shitload of exotic animals there's that are here that are in either endangered or almost extinct in the wild yeah they thrive in texas oh man i mean a neighbor of mine he's got an ostrich got llamas yeah the other day i drove back to my crib and this had a buffalo bison and i was like how where do you who's dealing those right here you can get a lot of those you could order them yeah there's a lot of again like the psychology of it like wow i mean i get the like i want a novelty pet which sucks because i think sometimes there's a lot of negligence with that where you're like you don't need a tiger or there's a lot of negligence in people that have cats sure some people 40 30 of them 30 of them in a one bedroom apartment just all over the place that's different i only have two but people are crazy like some people are crazy with zebras some people are crazy with cats

40:35yeah that's true god what are we going to do now i'm trying to hang on to my chickens i just lost the chicken the other day coyote coyotes i got a fat coyote in my neighborhood they're out here yeah dude took a picture of it and showed it to me i was like that looks like a wolf that's the fattest coyote i've ever seen he's so fat gnarly and they'll surround you yeah they'll like i have them in silver lake on my street and i got in my car once and there was one kind of behind the car and two up above and i was i did not like it i did not like it they're sketchy as if they're really hungry and no one's around they'll make it go at you you think so they've killed people before oh man really i've gone out to go close the chicken coop at the other night and there's been one like 10 feet away and he's like i'm not moving yeah i'm i'm getting something yeah

41:24all right yeah i lost all my chickens to coyotes lost the whole 22 of them 22. yeah my dog killed a couple are they free range or they they got into the pen this is what happened i had this dog named johnny cash and he was a mastiff i had one named frank sinatra too that's pretty good johnny cash was he was huge it was a powerful animal and this coyote honey potted him this coyote tricked him to thinking that she was his buddy yeah and uh he that's so sad the gate was open i think the pool guy left the gate open and so he went over to where the chicken coop was and he's so big that the we have what happens when a chicken um if you've seen what happens when uh i forget what it's called brooding where they decide that they're the egg that they laid they're going to turn into a chick even though there's no rooster yeah yep yeah so they they start plucking their feathers out

42:21and they sit on this egg and they won't that's not fertilized yeah it's not a fertilized egg well they get crazy they're like you know they think that they're supposed to breed and then these chicks never come and so like a flip of a switch flips in their brain and so then they start plucking their feathers out and the only way to cure them of that you have to take them out of the large chicken coop and put them in a small one and make them put their their paws on this uh their claws on like a rail so they just hang on to the rail and they sit there you know like they would normally you know when the way they go to sleep is they sit on these rails so you just put them in a small box that they can't really go anywhere and they just have to sit on this rail so they can't sit down and brood they can't sit down and like think that they have an egg under them okay and so once they're

43:09on that for a couple of days they let it go they forget and then they go back and they act normal again well when they were in that little small cage the coyote tricked johnny cash into smashing the small cage no because johnny cash is a tank and you know in the coyotes like pawn at the thing and john he's like oh i got this boom he just wrecks it tears it apart is this on video no but me and the family are playing some game like monopoly or some i see a coyote run across the backyard with a chicken in its mouth and bounce over this six foot fence like it didn't exist oh my god like a gazelle like you can't believe how agile those little are oh it was crazy with a chick in his mouth so i i'm red i'll open the back door you and i ran and then i i go over and i see johnny standing there next to this wrecked cage i'm like what the dude and then i put two and two together he

44:02didn't even bark i'm like oh he that's his friend that coyote is his friend because we've been seeing the coyotes come around he's way too big for the coyotes to eat right so the coyotes are probably like hmm i think you tricked the stupid and getting that cage open they're smart you can't beat them just they're not dumb so that was one and then when he realized he likes killing chickens then he realized also that that chicken wire is not strong enough to stop him so he plowed through the chicken wire and made a hole in there and went on a rampage and he killed a bunch of them that day he killed him did he eat him or just kill him oh that's so sad it's just dog instincts they can't help it they just don't they don't know what's going on they just think that's what i'm supposed to kill that's in nature a dog's supposed to kill a small bird like that especially if it

44:50can't fly like that's just what you do you get one cornered it's your lucky day so he went on a little killing spree so then we saved most of them and then there was a fire and the fire burnt the chicken coop down and then there was a bunch just running around so then we had to take the bunch that are running around and we had to put him in a temporary coupe while we're rebuilding the other coupe and the coyotes got into the temporary coop and killed them all they killed like i think 11 in a day oh my god yeah not good those they're smart they're smart yeah they're sneaky and smart mm-hmm that's what's so interesting about living in los angeles is that like even in like when you're like calabasas was a little like you had a little more like nature around but like there's so much wildlife there yeah in the middle of the city and you know i i love it i'm i'm ready for some

45:42some wide open spaces though i'm definitely move to texas that's what you're saying i'm thinking about it i just like hanging out with you guys and some of my other good buds here i was like this is nice time to move to texas i like it here yeah i i was talking to michael your uh road manager yeah yeah and i love him michael weed and and he's not a pothead and i was like good because that'd be too literal dad as a doctor is dr weed yeah yeah he's but he was he was talking about that's dr weave his dad's a doctor yeah dr wheat is amazing yeah man you should have a website is for losers that's pretty good yeah right that's pretty good damn no no i interrupted you dr wheat what kind of area of medicine uh i i don't know family prac general practice i don't know exactly takes care of everything all right there's everything yeah well i mean i'm gonna need a doctor when i move here so i'm like

46:40might yeah yeah he was a man for a minute um but anyway we were talking about fishing last night and he you know i think he i don't know if he did it but he was like leaving the show last night and was gonna get up early and go hunting yeah and he was just like the thought of living in a place where i could you know build my career play music do all the things that i need to do to survive and that i love to do but also be like i'm gonna go fishing tomorrow morning an hour from here or what that is like that's the dream and you can't really i mean you can do that in la but it's not it's like a limited you know it's it's not a lot of uh the best nature choices like stops on the center of the country like when touring starts again you can go everywhere yeah yeah from here yeah that's something i love about it we just hop on the bus and go east or west yeah figure out

47:36you know yeah and there's a lot of places to go just in texas it's a pretty dope spot san antonio right down the street i'm already looking i'm already looking at the whole rental market okay i've been i've been taking a peek new orleans is close too is very close very close i'm a salesperson for texas i'm trying to convince everybody to move here because look la's dead whatever it was it's not the same thing anymore i mean it's still alive right but it's not la it's different i love it i've been there 17 years i i think it's a beautiful place but you know upon further review just in terms of like like i might have to move soon and my rent is so cheap like i have one of those diamond in the rough really great artist spots but if i have to move i'm either gonna have to downsize which will break my heart or pay double and i don't want to do that like it makes like i don't i'd rather own a

48:33hat like i'd rather move back to cleveland you know like i i would but then austin just popped up and i was looking i was like oh my god it's actually pretty affordable here for somebody like me you guys have a hub here a music hub this is like a real music spot like there's a lot of musicians here you know there's no they're nice too yeah i've been getting that i'm like oh there's lots of nice people they're nicer yeah like legitimately nicer there's less of them today when i bought a coffee and i told them they're like name and i always say santo because if i say suzanne they say susan and i hate it and then i was like santo and then and then he said oh milk latte for santa and i was like ho ho ho and i bet everybody was laughing and i was like well see you later i was like well that was fun love you too austin santa that's great there's when there's less people i think people

49:24value people more you know i think la's just it's too many people people are just a they're a nuisance they're in the way you know also people are you know they move there for a specific reason and it's it's usually because they're broken um and then and then there's like well it's like it's that or you have your craft and you know there's some folks that are like really honing in on the craft and there's some folks that are you know exploiting it for broken purposes but it's like you know this kind of thing yeah and i'm i'm i've never been into that yeah it's so it's all about me town in a lot of ways yeah it's it's also it's like do you need to be there like what's so great about being there like for comedians it was always our hub but then when they killed that it doesn't seem like that's coming back anytime soon there's a great music scene there i mean i but a lot of people moved

50:14like that's the thing it's like a lot of people moved um to a place where they can work exactly yeah it's the same thing with comics they're leaving la in droves just because they can't work there yeah like a lot of guys have gone back on the road like there was a lot of guys that were terrified of kovit for like the first six months and then like i got to make a living i can't do this and then they started going on the road and then they realized like oh i could go to nashville and and perform i could go to houston and perform and they just started touring yeah i was like it i'm going to go all the places that will have me yep it makes sense well it's it's weird there's a whole restructuring of a lot of things and i think you know hollywood is one of them and the entertainment industry obviously um and i i have a lot of gratitude for la it's it's where i cut my teeth

51:00and i and i really like it it was hard you know and it still is but like i feel like i i you know took its temperature it's good i'm i'm good and now i think it's time to try other things did i send you that video the other day of the guy fishing in the l.a river yeah i thought it was i just watched that did you watch that wasn't it crazy the guy's fishing and eating fish out of the early river yeah just like fry it up on a refrigerator yes exactly exactly it was it was innovative i mean but it was also like what i can't think about the la river without thinking about you guys about thinking about that song oh yeah i love that i love that song too ben wrote that one he wrote that when we were in the studio recording our second record billy jack and he like was sitting at the piano and i remember hearing him like start the chords and then he went home and wrote it and came back

51:52and it was like well we got to put that on the record wow that's a beautiful song that is the la river song you know because it's yeah it's everything about how up the l.a river is but you know that used to be like a a prime steelhead river no she used to fill it used to be filled with steelhead and trout yeah and then they decided to cement it in because the army corps of engineers went in there and cemented it in that was in the video when the the video with the guy fishing they kind of explained it right like they cement they it up because everybody's houses would get flooded you know because you know l.a when it rains it's like no there's no irrigation no one knows what to do right like when it rains it just floods everything because nothing is set up for rain and so when it did that it was flooding all these houses so they go i don't know what to encase it on cement oh i

52:42didn't know that was a but it's a man-made river isn't it it's a real river yeah didn't mulholland though or he damned it right there was some damning yeah a lot of weird went on with the whole uh water like going out to the ocean but it was always a real river you know i'm thinking of the silver lake reservoir that is obviously yeah that's awesome but it's really cool to look at photos of what it was like los vilas was all farm country yeah and and there's photos when you walk around the silver lake reservoir of like it is same there's like horses and carriages and it's like it looks so much shorter because there aren't houses on the hills or in these tall trees it's just like it's amazing i love that you used to go to uh jerry's famous deli in woodland hills and it would have all these farms out these photos of farms from like the early 1900s all in that area it was all just farms

53:36and then you know i would sit there with my kids and we'd look at these pictures of like like what it used to look like wow that's crazy this is right here this is what it used to look like and uh and i remember saying this is gonna happen to this place like what you see right now yeah take a picture of this because come back in a hundred years it's not gonna look anything like this because nothing stays the same things just get they grow and they get crazy and then they expand and they fill up and i remember my my daughter's probably six at the time she's looking like what the is wrong with you i'm sick it's crazy i'm just i'm just trying to achieve some stability in my little six-year-old life yeah talk to me about unicorns talking about that in 10 years don't talk to me about the world changing constantly and there's yeah right but one thing we're learning

54:22now from this pandemic is that that is true that you could think that everything's going to be what it used to be this is going to it's going to stay the same things are not staying the same new york is l.a is you know it's it's interesting i i think it's like the good part of that the silver lining is like people got to work you got like not like work a job but like you you got to figure it out you know like we are such a like i want to use my words carefully like where people are so precious you know and that's not to say there isn't real struggle because there really is but for the most part like the things that a lot of folks yammer on about it's like we don't have it that bad it's really not that bad it can be for certain areas of the country certain demographics and those things do need attention um and there there's there is real effort that that will involve but like a lot of the

55:19of just like our you know social media stuff it's like it accentuates mental illness people that have what you would consider a mild mental illness where they're obsessive and they're constantly checking their phone and they're reading their tweets and then arguing with people it's a mental illness it's no different than people who jerk off all day or people who can't stop gambling it's a similar kind of thing mm-hmm and people that get tigers yeah they start collecting accentuates it with these people this this covid thing is ramped their mental illness up in a big way because now there's no job to go to not just sitting at home just just dealing with whatever weirdo obsessions they have and then a lot of their their mental interaction with other human beings is coming from an impersonal digital right text-based way where you don't have any connection to the person on the other end

56:15and people are nasty to each other because of it because they don't feel it they don't there's no person in front of you it's like this numb exchange i had a thought uh not that long ago that really made me check myself and i was like oh i haven't so-and-so hasn't you know been on social media in a while they're probably not doing well and then i was like oh my god maybe they're doing great exactly i was like they're probably amazing and how what a weird way to try to measure someone's you know uh state mental state or whatever and i and i like like you know i need social media for my career but i hate it and i my my like version of success is when like someone does all that stuff for me and then i can i can go read more books and but i delete it all the time so i'm just not not looking at it i'd rather you know spend that time in the bathroom reading

57:07than flipping through my phone you know but it's true i i really thought about that i was like i cannot believe you just had that thought suzanne that's the word we live in today back to reality but i i'm i think it's interesting how we measure how people care about things if they don't post something or they you know that stuff's like that is real it is real you know people need real experiences you you can only go so long without real experiences and this sitting at home for people for a lot of people it's it's terrible for them just terrible for their their emotions terrible for their they don't have the ability to communicate with people anymore that they get crumbles it falls apart you know it atrophies yeah that's why like last night was so fun like to go to a place where everybody can just experience like a fun thing together like you can see at the end of the show when we got

57:59up like all these people were smiling yeah everybody was smiling that's the thing man you hit him with the good you missed that yeah feeling something together and yeah people need each other i got like i know i sat in on one song but it like knocked me out like i had to go sit down for a couple songs upstairs because i was like like i was just one not used to performing and two i mean probably i got up early in l.a on a plane but i was like it was more the intensity of how i just i just like you know i just took all the energy i was like i'm gonna yeah no holds barred but i hate you performed live before that in front of a crowd the jam and the van show in october i did uh they did an outdoor show with a socially distanced crowd of 20 people but they i told you this but their sponsors um they have all these like weed and booze sponsors so every like they're like 20 people and it's two

59:00tickets at a time so they're like grouped off by twos and each section everyone got a cooler two bottles of wine and a bottle of vodka and people were annihilated and at the end of the night when i settled with the house manager he was like well it was a good night nobody puked that's hilarious and then i was like well was it a good night then sir maybe i didn't rock hard as well when i had a complex about what was the last time you had performed inside um march and i was in new york march 10th yeah it was one of those shows where i was supposed to it was like a showcase for me and there were like a bunch of like labels and publishing companies that were coming in i'm gonna hear the new music and one of them showed up and i like flew my whole band out and it was the next day or so that um it was get we were together like a week before that weren't we when we did the podcast last time

59:55and we were like ha ha ha wouldn't that be weird but i i was i was i was also in new york for 9 11. and it felt similarly there was this like ominous i want to get the out of here feeling and i i have my dad's minivan because i borrowed it for the tour i was on because i didn't want to rent a car and i wasn't getting paid that much money it was it's a great van it's a chrysler hell of a van um but i went back to my parents house in south carolina from new york and uh couldn't i could not wait to get out of new york it was such a weird feeling but yeah nobody uh it was like some of the people at the show were like you could just see it coming it was like half as many people showed up that bought tickets and then some of them were like i'm scared but i'm really happy to be here you know i remember shaking a dude's hand on an airplane i went to uh vegas for the ufc there's a dude in

60:52front of me we started talking and then afterwards uh he i go hey man real nice to me and i go to shake his hand he's like not sure should we shake hands yeah yeah he was like the first dude i saw with the mask on too he's the only guy on the whole plane with a mask on yeah and then we decided to go with the fist pump yeah yeah which doesn't give any cooties i guess you can't get a cookie from the fist bump they don't even think you're getting it from the handshake elbows right a lot of dudes are doing elbows i uh i totally don't know what to do i want to hug them and make out with them when they do that did you tell me smelled good you're like you smell good so might as well smooch it down i don't think you're getting it from hands i don't think they think you get it i hope not because i had this moment today where i took an immune shot and it had like beet juice and it was all over

61:32my thumbs and i i licked my thumbs and i was like oh no standing there i was like excuse me sir do you have a napkin unless someone sneezes in their hand and then gives it to you but i think most of what you're getting is just from the air well i had a choice to go down the rabbit hole of of terror because i was like well it's a juice shop anyone who doesn't feel good is going to go to the juice shop and get an immunity and then i was like you know what if i can deal with it i already made the choice i already licked my thumbs i think i think you're going to be okay i think so too yeah are you going to be lining up to take the vaccine that's scary everybody feels that well you don't have to you have the immunity yeah um you have some i'd like to see it like go around a couple times you know uh spiker uh i don't know if i think i'm allowed to say this his dad uh got the vaccine back in

62:26september and it's he's been like feeling great i guess this dad's one of those people that loves likes to be on the like test panel for new pharmaceuticals yeah yeah he's like one of these is going to turn me to spider-man it i mean i i have no doubt that we could start seeing superpowers at some point maybe not oh they're definitely going to be doing something in other countries they're probably already on it what about you in the vaccine um i'll probably take it yeah yeah if i'm if i can be assured by people who are doctors if i if i can get an assurance like tell me what's the possible negative side effects will you share that information with your other friends for sure yeah i have a friend who's already taken it he's taking the russian one really he's a doctor he took the russian one recently and i said what was the side effects it was none i had no side effects at all wow

63:15yeah but the i think the pfizer one or the modern one 80 percent of the people when they took the second dose got really sick oh no yeah the second dose so you take one they took another one like was it three weeks later jamie do you know and then uh they got sick so it's a series it's not just one and done you've got to get it banged up twice it's a commitment yeah and then four people in the uk got bell's palsy from it oh that's right you did really yeah but they don't know if it's from it they just know four of the people in the trial got bell's palsy uh you see you'd have you feel like well it was probably the vaccine maybe but when you're dealing with twenty thousand people four of them might have got bell's palsy anyway sure i don't know what the number of people that get bell's palsies could have been totally unrelated they don't really know how soon is this supposed to be

64:03happening it's rolling out they're they're delivering them now right as we speak the next batch is like three months away yeah i don't know i mean they're delivering some of them now you know i guess first responders and you know doctors and things along those lines they're gonna get it first nurses yeah cool cool cool we went down a dark road everything was so we started out with acid and aliens we can go back to acid yeah maybe that would cure it that'd be something did you say the weed who say the smoking weed is supposed to be good for it did you say that i mean when i was sick i was smoking through it oh there you go i heard yeah tequila i heard tequila and smoking is is the cure that's the gary clark jr version hey best gal and splits even when you were how sick did you get how bad did you get banged up i i was um i got it real bad i got it worse

65:04than anybody maybe it's because of my lifestyle but um the whole family had it i i was physically down for a few days but the thing that was really weird to me is is i just couldn't handle any noise like people talking to me and light was really really super bright oh wow like a concession almost kind of like i'm sitting in the house like eating breakfast with sunglasses on really yeah it was really it was i've heard that really like migraine kind of like yeah it was just i never had headaches like that before and then i was walking i was trying to do stuff and still had sessions to do so i was walking back and forth from the studio to the house and there was a couple of times where the sharp pain would just hit me and i would just fall out and i was just like what is that you know and i'm a healthy dude and i'm nothing really so i'm just walking all of a sudden just like

65:51it's a jolt and i'm just laid out on the floor like damn the people that got that i know that got it bad said it's it feels like an alien virus it just feels like the weird like it comes and it goes you think it's gone then it comes back stronger and then it was like this tinny like smell there's like this weird thing it was it was like a flu on something it was it was weird you know i made it through but it definitely wasn't fun it was uncomfortable for us jamie breeze through that how did the kids thc and marijuana could help avert fatal covid19 complications smoke them if you got them boom there you go there we go were the kids this like because i heard it like the kids it's sometimes more digestive than like respiratory yeah my kids were fine i mean my son was like making fun of me and i was in bed and he was like you got the virus that's hilarious yeah that's hilarious

66:53so they they weren't really affected by it do you take vitamins at all yeah i took a bunch of vitamin i take vitamins my wife is always hearing me vibing just let her dole him out hey if she wants me to be here and wants to hang out with me like give me what you got i like that attitude so were you guys going to record something together while i'm here no were you like yeah i mean are you doing so we were talking about is it 209 it's 205. oh five you have to go through yeah uh well we were talking about doing a live version of fall for that but we didn't i don't we didn't have time yeah but i guess i'm just gonna have to move here yeah yeah right yeah you have to move here yeah i got some time you want to play should we play i'm right down the street actually so oh i'm good bust out some i don't know he was making fun of you for the virus maybe he's going to have to wait oh you're

67:51going to pick your camp that's right here's why i'm late today son all right i was thinking about you talking back in june how old was he he's about to be sick there's something funny about five and six-year-old kids talking oh man it's hilarious yeah he's blowing my mind with it up what the did you say to me that's hilarious well we talk a lot of in my house so my no kidding my kids are really good at talking they they cut me down i bet all the time my daughter i was driving the other trying to pay attention to directions my daughter's hitting me with math problems she's like come on dummy tell me what this is i'm like whoa she did it 12 year old yeah that's great yeah she's like she's like how much older am i doing my sister ready go quick quick how many months quick i'm like hey i'm driving she's like come on dummy wow it keeps you sharp man but it's just fun it's fun

68:44yeah man i love having those little ones yeah i'm talking to you i just i like it when they get me like when they get me one i'm like oh you got me yeah it's good to be friends with your kids yeah yeah that's a that's a real thing it's hard it's uh you know i i'm not a 12 year old girl it's like she wants to talk to 12 year old girls yeah it's gonna get weird the next couple years it's yeah yeah it's weird right now but it's it's cool but it's weird it's like you need time where you just do stuff together where you separate from everybody else like you like kids need one-on-one time they don't yeah they don't just need whole family time like everybody needs whole family time but they also need like uh so what do you think about this and what do you think about that and like what's going on with this and you got to like listen to them and let them let them feel like real

69:32comfortable talking to you it's but you also have to be the one that says no it's 9 30. you can't watch tv you got to go to bed like go to bed you're going to be awake man yeah right why you get because i'm grown yeah get your ass in the bag go lay down because i bought that tv yeah it's my tv yeah like shut up amazing that's real yeah i do whatever i want yeah i was my parents they they disciplined you know what i mean like we listened and then like you know but i also like definitely got uh definitely got like i don't want to say beat but you know my mom broke a wooden spoon on my ass chasing me up the stairs that was like real but like i definitely like really respected their authority like when they went you know i got in trouble once because i signed my own detention and then the principal called when i came home they were both sitting like sit down and i was like oh i remember

70:23like your blood runs cold and you're just like oh this is not funny my parents were pretty strict man i remember this is one of the funniest things is you know my mom was like i had enough of my little sister she's like i've had enough you i'm gonna drop you off in the park and i'm just gonna leave you there yeah yeah yeah no yeah my mom had enough pulled up my nine-year-old sister dropped her off at garrison park down here in south austin called my dad from a pay phone was like i've had enough with this kid she was done done like done how long do you leave her there for five minutes yeah yeah yeah still five minutes that's a long five minutes for a little kid oh she never forgot that oh yeah but she she came back and behaved herself yeah you know what i mean you don't get to talk to me like that you don't get to do it you don't get to throw around the house

71:14listen to what i say it's a privilege to be here yeah so that was a little too far me and my sister were gone my parents weren't strict at all no my parents were hippies really yeah my mom and my stepdad are hippies yeah they weren't even a little stressed so you just did whatever you wanted yeah we were allowed to swear in the house yeah yeah yeah yeah i smoke weed for the first time when i was eight holy that is very step dad was smoking weed i'm like what is that he's like try it out let me try it you're like i love this stuff yeah i mean i didn't start smoking weed right but i did it i went when i was eight yeah damn yeah we lived in san francisco it was weird you know it's like the world was like when i was a little kid i was a latch key kid right so i would just go out i did the magic show on fisherman's wharf when i was eight years old nobody was

72:02like yourself just by myself wandering around i can't imagine my 10 year old wandering around by herself like but i was doing that yeah i just would go outside and no one knew where the i was or just go uh go someplace it's weird it's like there's different energies in kids and then clearly you know you're here you are you know as as this i don't know what you are joe did it make you think it made you more aware as a youngster like being out on your own i experienced danger you know early on you know we got robbed some kid stole my ball with a with a screwdriver he threatened me with a screwdriver and then you know i got almost molested a couple of times uh i got rescued by a uh librarian because this guy was trying to molest me in the library and start screaming my name and the guy ran away and i started crying yeah i was looking at um monster books and this guy came up to me

72:57that's ironic yeah i like monster books no i mean i know it is he's a monster um and he uh goes do you like monster books i have some monster books in my car and i'm like oh okay yeah like you know i was eight i didn't know any better and so i started following this guy and the librarian luckily i would i would go to the library all the time after school because my parents worked you know like that's how it was back then they both worked so i would get off at school at like two or three or whatever the it was i would just go someplace and so i was going to the library all the time and uh this guy had just gotten out of jail for molesting kids this luckily this librarian knew that this guy was a child monster crazy i mean who knows what would happen if i got in his car he probably killed me who the knows you know just so keep my mouth shut people could do things back then and get

73:43away with stuff too there's no phones there was no you know the world was a wild place it was different and then you got to think how my parents grew up and think about how their parents grew up i mean we're just like a couple generations removed from savages you know my grandparents came over on a boat yeah they didn't know what they didn't watch a youtube video they just heard that this is the place to be yeah they just get out they came over from italy yeah i heard this is the place to be like yeah zillow huh nothing nothing man i mean they had uh neighborhoods that you know corresponded with wherever you were from like irish neighborhoods right right neighborhoods and and people just took chances were we just talking about this let's just talk about this with somebody not me i don't think so it's so weird feel deja vu a little bit yeah it's so it's interesting because we're

74:34going to look back on our kids and we're probably getting the i think the thing that we're going to really go what the are we thinking is social media you know i think i think that's the thing i think that we're going to think about that with ourselves and with our kids yeah i think we're going to like it's like it's the it's the new smoking you know it's the new like cocaine and coca-cola it's like it is well it's like you know i know you had that the one dude from tristan harris yes from the social development and you know and i watched this did you see the social dilemma i started watching a little bit oh my god it's it's playing out really well like all the all the like ceos the people that like you know created the algorithms and things on twitter and instagram they don't let their kids use it yes yeah like i mean that's if that doesn't tell you like this is like a monumentally

75:25dangerous thing i don't know what does like it's just it hijacks our brains it just it feeds into all the reward systems that the human mind is wired for but it does it in a way that's like very unproductive and and damaging to a lot of people and also like the polarization of this country this country's never been more divided in my lifetime yeah in terms of like red and blue and i just it just it's not even really that there's like two clear different ways of thinking there definitely is but it's also that it's just a team and you could decide you're on this team or decide you're on that team and it's not necessarily that you've thought it through because i know a lot of people particularly i hate to say this particularly people that are uh right wing that they haven't thought this through at all they just think freedom trumps freedom like they have this like

76:14mindset where they and then i know a lot of people on the left that are like that too like we just got to get biden in office like oh yeah that warmonger guy who passed the 1994 crime bill and he's gonna fix it right the are you talking about oh that guy that's filling up his cabinet with swamp creatures like what are you talking about dude this ain't gonna be any better this is the normal this is what you want to people not doing the work like the real work like on themselves it's like this is a form of escapism like you throw yourself into this rhetoric and you get real mad and you keep throwing yourself into over and over and over but like you're not fine finding peace no you're not changing the world with your tweet you're actually doing bad i think what you said is really important the way you do change the world is by changing yourself 100 and encouraging other people to

77:02change themselves and the more people do it the more it becomes almost contagious becomes like a way of life and then people realize like you can just be a nice person you can be compassionate you can be understanding you can be friendly it's totally possible and when you're like that and you cultivate a group of like-minded friends then you live in a great community you have a great group of loved ones people that you you care about your life is infinitely better that way right but if you're just one of those people that just looks for arguments all the time on on social media and you're just looking to be pissed off and you're constantly you know like you feel like you're in some battle you're calling yourself the resistance or you're calling yourself a patriot or whatever side you're on right it's like oh my god just a human here trying to be cool just a human trying to be cool yeah

77:49and i i you know i have to admit though i've fallen into it too and it's like a constant understanding with myself of like you know my uh like viral belief systems and how they affect people and and like people i really respect saying things and then i'm going home like oh my god yeah that's right that's right and then i'm like but i didn't really do the work i was i'm just you know regurgitating something and i really want to figure out where like my truth is in this and and speak appropriately and accordingly because the thing is whether you're joe rogan or you have a platform or you're in your living room your word holds weight so what you say is is important yeah if you're talking to a person it matters that ripple effect is real even if you're talking to one person what you say to that one person can affect the way they talk to another person and then it'll make them feel good and

78:41they'll be nicer to someone else and literally it has this this ripple effect that just goes on infinitely to all the people that get in contact with all the people that you meet and you think it doesn't like everybody thinks that they're helpless but together we're not and it's that's another viral police belief system too it's like you have so much more within your control than you know and if you subscribe to that you're in trouble man you have a lot of impact yeah we all do everyone does you have a lot of impact because the way you impact other people impacts the way they impact other people we're not individuals really we are but we're really a part of this gigantic super organism known as the human race sure you know and you could find diseased parts of that super organism you know you can find places where there's just no hope and there's a lot of crime

79:32there's a lot of drug addiction like that's the saddest like when you go to a place like um you know my sister lives in florida and there's spots around her that is just filled with pill heads yeah just pill heads these people that just got caught on oxies and they're just stuck and it's young kids and older people and it's just yeah it's you're there if you're stuck in that spot and like you're trying to have a conversation with your neighbor and he's a pill head and he's lost you're like oh my god like you you will feel like a person without a country florida's such an interesting energy too my uh i have florida plates on my rental and i'm like oh god i hope everybody doesn't think like florida florida's great people are moving to florida yeah a lot of people are moving from california to florida a lot of silicon valley people are moving to florida what's going on taxes

80:22okay and they'll just the rules like you could do things they're like i'm gonna trade out these wildfires for hurricanes got it yeah real hurricanes yeah no and they're getting worse and worse those florida hurricanes are no joke florida is nice though there's a lot of nice spots yeah i like their beaches this it's but florida has the echoes of people escaping like of shattered life on the east coast like the people that up their life in new york and new jersey they all went to florida yeah so you run into these people that are just like well there's also like old snow birds like from the midwest and stuff and my we used to get shipped off to florida for weeks at a time when i was a kid because my grandparents lived down there and you know my grandfather is a world war ii vet his pow for two years he had like crazy stories and he had his old war buddies down there and uh yeah

81:14two years as a p.o.w yeah man he got he was a waste gunner he you wanted something kind of cool gary i just want to check on you because i know you have to pick up your kids are you how you doing when you're going to leave how much time i got i got 20. oh why don't you guys play something yeah and i'll tell you about my grandfather but it's a it's so you can tell me about your grandfather when gary goes to get his kids yeah i just don't want to like you know i care about your schedule last time you guys were here we didn't play anything right no we played bad bees but we didn't play the song that we released together like we should play that one you want to yeah i do it'll be fun let's do it okay so are you going to wing it or you want to do the bridge a little bit and then we can do it yeah so from that okay and we're back ladies and gentlemen really yes no rehearsal

82:06all right do you want to rehearse no you're about to like you can rehearse who you want no i don't know what do you what do you think so i think i think i got it we go into your shred fest and then we have the you know kind of break down then i'll just say this i didn't mess it up last night i i did i was here up front from my guys who decided to back you up it wasn't me oh i'm not first of all you're amazing that was fun and it all went it went how it was supposed to go when how it went and that's all it does yeah it always goes how it all goes you wanna do this yeah rage on the wind tonight man i was laying low by the but i see them creeping on a sneak attack trying to smoke me out trying to make me mad and i won't fall for them make me believe i'm the only one when you press yourself right up against my back you talk too damn loud and too oh over its banks with your bad news

84:46raining down all day i don't want to hear you yelling trying to bring me to my knees with that coal you're selling let you hold my help just out of my grass living in your health out my back i will fall all right yeah you're rocking that 12 string you know i feel like i should have gone for the i should i like pumped it up on the acoustic but you crushed it you know i'm here to support i do what i can that was so good always fun rocking with you oh my god likewise you make me want to practice more that's all i've been doing in this pandemic i went back to i've been getting away with playing blue stuff my whole life straight up so i went back to like the 13 year old me like there's this fork in the road i went blues or shred yeah and i'm trying to bring them together bring them together you know that's why they're singing a lot i've been just practicing a lot just

87:38theory and making it all really make sense because i haven't really i've been getting away with it honestly yeah get away with it how funny is he one of the greatest guitarists alive oh i just been getting away with it no i mean i mean there's there's i mean that's why i i do i do what i do but you know there's a you can always learn more yeah and i think being being on the road and practicing for the performance and doing those same things and it's time to sit back and have my own thoughts and like what i want to do next and just be free to yeah let's liberate receive things and you know put them on my own you know my own way so it's it's been good i'm glad i didn't mess that up for you no you crushed it i'm glad i didn't mess it up for you i love hearing all these stories about people that have used this time and and used it to their benefit yeah i'm gonna bring you a guitar i forgot

88:26this time oh are you doing this are we starting to band how dope with that big dope band probably one of us doesn't have any talent and it's not you guys oh man that's a thing that is a a dark hole of attention like if you want to learn how to play a musical instrument like there's no end like if if like i wanted to start at 53 start to learn how to play guitar yeah oh my god how much time would that eat up i did that with the violin this this time and actually this is funny so phoebe hunt who do you know phoebe hunt absolutely that's so funny i went to high school with her she asked me if she was i don't know if gary would would remember me so she's an incredible violinist from nashville well she's from here but she lives in nashville and back in september she was like sue's i'm doing this fiddle camp for the next two months i think you should do it it'll be fun well like every friday

89:29uh we zoom and every sunday we get a new piece of music to learn and it first of all i went up to another level that i've always wanted to be at to be honest and i've never played this much violin in my life like like one day i was like four hours just went by and it hurts like you have to like your my neck like everything but i had to really get back into shape with it but she is she's incredible but it was literally me and like a 14 year old and a 12 year old and it was like the three of us and the girls were so good like they're like virtuosos and phoebe told me that so she's she's just one of those like go-getters like start a movement kind of person and she organized a regional battle of the bands here and she got like she's got the radio station involved and everything but you won i do you won i believe i'm almost positive and i said she said gary won

90:31some battle of the bands from high school it's possible you forgot or it's possible she she's not right i might though texas weed is underrated in high school i was i was i was kind of mushrooms i was experimenting a lot so i don't remember a lot of those things so you might have won while tripping i might have could have happened it's one of the funniest things somebody sent me a picture that's funny but yeah somebody sent me a picture yeah phoebe i've known for a long time and then um then shaky and stephanie yeah so crazy we all went to school together that's so funny yeah i love her she's great man i hate to do it guys we get it you gotta go i gotta get these kids you gonna hang on that guitar may i get it back to you if i'm gonna maybe play one more tune for you absolutely you need anything else i'm just sad you're leaving are you going to be at the show later i hope so

91:35come on down i hope so albright let me ask you this how many more shows are you doing at anton's because i'm i'm gonna be popping back in next month i think why do you ask because you know i know you had done a series of them there and it seemed like it just seemed like you were really in a flow like you had done a bunch it seemed like you had got real comfortable like you had done a bunch of shows there like how many have you done in that run that we just did four just four just four was this the last one last night last night he seemed so loose man i i i think i i think i missed it yeah i think i really missed it and by the fourth night i was like man here we go yeah the band was was tight and i feel uncomfortable about being in front of people again because i forgot how to do it i was like yeah yeah what's up you know it's weird right but it's like riding a bike or whatever

92:32whatever other thing that you do that you know how to do as soon as you start doing it again exactly yeah this is so much fun to watch man it's good to have you and good to see you dude coming back for sure you tell me when you're doing it again i want to come back i'll bring some more people likewise well i'm gonna come see you guys when i came right i'll see you thank you here yes yes for sure suzanne's time to make plans i know i was literally like i had this thought and i was like do i take my houseplants and my cats in the car how does this work do i get a pod like if you guys do the house plants and the cats in the car it's gonna take you like three days to drive right yeah thank you joe my pleasure gary thank you brother good seeing you i'll see you later i'll see you soon take it easy um i'm gonna set this down for a minute um yeah man i've never like when i moved to

93:28la when i was 19 i didn't have anything is that when you moved to l.a yeah well you lived in nashville briefly while i knew you yeah briefly didn't like it no did not like it weird well aside from just some of the vibes not being for me i was also like always uncomfortable my allergies were really bad there oh uh it's interesting i have a problem with this place the valley yeah well you know what i had to buy clairton today because i was all sneezy they say the cedar the cedar fever gets to people in january cool cool cool yeah but you can get it go to an hour just to get shot up i mean i'm gonna it just happens you know you'll get it i'll get allergies anywhere it's whatever i'll take care of you get them in la as well i do i do and you know fire season is a nightmare for my voice too it usually cuts out certain frequencies and i feel like and um like crazy we have a fire season

94:23you know isn't that it's that season it's so sad i remember the first time i ever got evacuated i was like man i hope this doesn't happen a lot right but it was like 10 years after that to when i got evacuated again yeah well at this point you know people that have lost their houses twice yeah you know what i mean yeah and it's sort of like yeah but you know you have a job and you're in this area you've been here a long time you've got friends it just becomes a part of your life but you don't you don't want to abandon it yeah but now everybody it's what's so fascinating about the pandemic is like there's no business as usual and lots of people are making really huge changes i was my really good friend in santa monica his family owned a restaurant uh for 25 years that closed and you know it's sad but they are also kind of relieved because his parents are older and they're tired and

95:15uh we did a zoom face call or you know zoom the other week and my friend was like he and his wife were like you know we're thinking to move they want to move to las vegas which you know whatever but you know what they said was they're like we're just like ready for an adventure and they have two beautiful young boys and they were they just had this like look of uh excitement for a change and i think that's that so important for all of us is to be like keep that open mind if you can you know because like you could actually like the possibilities could be amazing yeah you know if you play your cards right and you sort of follow the breadcrumbs because and that's why it's like so weird because when we talked the other week and you brought up austin i have never thought about moving here and also i hate the heat like i'm just like but especially after last night i was like

96:12man it's a great town it is it's got a dope vibe it is i've always loved it here i just never thought about moving here until now there's almost like an agreement to be cool here you know what i mean that would make me feel pressured i don't i mean like i don't know that's not true yes you are but i mean i remember when gary moved back you know like he was telling me it's like ellie just is not right for me it's just not my thing and i'm like hey you don't need to be there yeah it's not necessary yeah you know yeah i feel that and this was before i was thinking about moving to austin my my thoughts of moving to austin happened pretty quickly i felt like it did you were talking you didn't talk about it in march you talked about in june when honey honey was on the podcast and i was like no way i didn't think you're gonna do it yeah a lot of people didn't think that

97:03you moved pretty fast though yeah good job i like to do fast me too i like to take chances i think it's very important yeah it stimulates a different part of your brain like all of a sudden you're driving down different roads you live in a different house yeah you got different neighbors like hey man you know like yeah yeah it's good good it's good for you it's sort of like it's the ability to let go and then sort of have that trust of the what's ahead thing you know like um because you know you let go of los angeles a place you've been for a long time and the comedy store and a community that's like really hard to sort of uh corral right now and now you're like literally reshaping hollywood and bringing it to texas well the hollywood comedy scene is definitely gonna there's gonna be a lot of people coming here okay a lot of friends that are making plans

97:57right now they need it yeah we need a spot yeah and i'm in a position where i can help everybody have this awesome so i'm i'm making a spot super cool yeah i'm just i'm excited to like be able to just go to shows you know exactly well once we get set up i mean i want to do something special here i want to have it also um not just a hub for comics but a hub for wannabe comics like people that are thinking about starting i wanna i wanna have like a very structured open mic night situation right where because a lot of clubs don't do open mic nights because you don't make any money right so the the open micros a lot of times they don't drink very much and you don't get much of an audience for the most part but i think it's integral to the community it's it's you got to give back to the community and they need stage time and at least one night preferably two

98:49they should have two nights of just amateurs and the one of the beautiful things beautiful one of the beautiful things i don't know how it came out like that about the comedy store was they would have uh open mic night they would potluck would go to 10 p.m and then after 10 p.m it would be pop ends so what's poppin's like oh sorry um potluck is their open mic night so basically i was like is that like a food thing because that sounds delicious so good i love a good potluck yeah we do um it's like there's a bunch of names in a hat and they pull the names out so it's super random right that's cool you have you know x amount of minutes on stage usually it's i think at the store it's three uh back in boston it was five damn since you'd get five minutes three minutes it's not that long no but it's enough okay you can tell if someone sucks but if they're not sucking do they get to

99:38keep going are they just done no no it's very important it's also you learn how to do your time you learn like listen this is there's a lot of other people here you're just starting out you know you're not you're not eddie murphy you can't just pop in and do a half hour right you gotta do your times three minutes and so the they would do that until 10 p.m there would be a host like i hosted it once um like a professional comic will host it and bring people up and say their names and you know have fun with whatever's happening in the crowd and then at 10 pm then it becomes a regular show and at 10 p.m real comics start coming by cool and they and then a lot of times the audience shows up at like 9 30 watches the last part of the open mic night and then they you know then by the time the professionals are there at 10 it's kind of packing in cool yeah so you get both things you get to

100:26see amateurs and then after the amateurs you get to see you know like a couple hours of pros did you ever get into like groundlings like improv stuff no no not your thing never did that yeah yeah um well i i could have you know but i got obsessed with stand-up and um it just was so overwhelming there was so much to do it was so hard to get good at stand up it was so hard to work it was so hard to write jokes so hard to you know to come up with an idea and then structure it and figure out how to turn it into like a big chunk that i didn't desire to do other stuff like groundlings right but i know a lot of people that did they started out with that and that led to them doing stand-up they just liked doing it but they didn't they necessarily like doing it with all these other people they're going i need to do this by myself and then they figured out a way to do stand-up

101:15yeah i think that would be my jam if i were ever in that yeah just the like the back and forth thing and like you know back when i i was an actor for a while and like when i studied when i was a teenager in new york that was my favorite thing to do in class was just like bounce back and forth you know it was i don't know you kind of get in that flow with people and is that like a duet too do you like doing duets do you like doing i mean i like collaborating across the board i think that especially now that um you know i'm secure with myself you know like that's a thing that like it you'll torpedo the whole thing if you're not comfortable with who you are like period and and i feel really you know at this point in my career and the people i work with in the studio i was sitting and talking with john speicher about this the other day every every single person that's played on this record

102:07has been wonderful we haven't had one ego in the room and i and i was like that is a huge accomplishment how is that because you knew all these people coming in um it's a little both it's my drummer paulie he he's he's sort of like the like the nucleus in that because he knows everybody and he brought in this incredible guitar player dylan day oh my god it was like it's such a rewarding experience because i get to learn from people too you know it's like it's my record but like i am like it's an honor to have like when gary came in she's it's like you know you're watching this nice is he he's the best he's so nice i know you know what's so great about him is like he has gotten through his success and maintained being a wonderful person yeah he hasn't moved like like who he is hasn't wavered yeah i think i told you that like for years i would always reintroduce myself to him and i'd

103:04be like hey gary it's suzanne from honey honey and he's like yeah i know like i know and i was because i never expect people to remember me because like i just i've that's happened to me when you feel awkward and you're like hi i'm so i'm so sorry like you know sometimes you're just like i don't i don't want to put anybody in that position it's hard when you meet someone you're a fan of theirs too right yeah yeah well it's funny i met gary gary and honey honey played at the sunset marquis it was like an acoustic night and we were babies i mean we were like early 20s and he was singing playing acoustic guitar and i was like oh my god that guy's voice is amazing and then later i was like and he's a shredder like what like no you know no idea but i think there's something to be said too about how like gary remembers except for high school battle the bands gary

103:53remembers things like he's very specific and it's i don't know i think that's a very um special quality yeah well he's just an unusual guy for like who he is like he's so unassuming yeah you know but then he owned it last night though it was like yeah yeah he like was like unleashed it was great i was so happy closed with uh don't worry about a thing yeah cause that's that's the first song i listened to on my playlist yeah it kicks off your workout yeah that song yeah that's my hit the bag workout tape cool because i've got like this series of like very energetic songs yeah yeah it really does it's very necessary for me as well i don't know how people like run without headphones david goggins says it's cheating i say i used to say it's cheating whatever david i know that he has like the perfect body but like well it's he's got a bulletproof mind that's what he has

104:52yeah and he's like you know that music is not always going to be with you that's what he says you got to be alone with your thoughts the darkness i don't run because i have bad feet but uh the only time i run is when i'm really mad and when i like i work out i'll run for like five miles and i haven't run in a year i'll just keep bad feet like what's wrong with your feet oh they're flat and i have bunions well there's a couple things you can do tell me what to do okay one is a thing called yoga toes you ever use those it sounds familiar yoga toes are these uh i have them i use them they actually spread your toes apart okay and they the thing about bunions is right your your toes start turning right towards your other toes and they you get arthritis they they they get like painful right knobby so that's yoga yay yeah so they spread your toes out and it counteracts

105:46the i get that on amazon see you see how that person has a bunion yeah and then it turned into no bunion yeah you can you look your soft tissue is very pliable that's what's important to know yeah and that those patterns that you get might be at the point of no return no i don't believe you are i've had them since i was 12. it doesn't matter i've also my other like does your toes move like this oh yeah yeah then you can fix it all right i one of the measures of like i've succeeded other than i don't have to run my own social media is i get to have a double bunionectomy and watch the sopranos start to finish because like i've i've done all the work that like my career won't suffer when i'm convalescing for the two months it takes to recover from bunion surgery so are you going to get the surgery i mean i can't i've got to work right but if oh so one so like if i i'm at the top

106:35when i have the luxury i knew a girl who was a dancer who had that done and she had this crazy scar across her toe yeah like they have to like really well there's two ways what do they do they can either hack it off at the side where that's probably the propensity for it to grow back is high or they cut your foot like here and then they reset it yeah i know bro oh no actually i don't want to get surgery yeah there's some people with some up feet they probably needed this so yeah i mean for for instance i hope you don't have a foot fetish folks yeah yeah that's bad oh god why are we doing this to ourselves maybe what happened to his left foot that just made it through the war that's something else i think right yeah that seems like some guy kicks i'm doing the nuts with a steel cup on it those are five toes there's just one hidden behind the other three

107:29yeah so look at that before and after bunion pictures that guy got it fixed they're so painful they're the worst but go go the full so you get this yeah look at that you got it like a normal foot now how the did they do that that's crazy so they must have hacked that part off and then did something to straighten out his toe i love that but this uh lady that i knew she had it on her toe like her pinky her big toe her big toe had like this line down the center of the big toe i've seen a couple people with it actually yeah it's a it's like if you are a martial artist like martial artists get up toes too yeah yeah well yoga does really help with it because you have to like distribute your weight on your feet a certain way and then it helps sort of strengthen even though i don't have an arch it helps strengthen the middle of my foot but even the arch thing

108:19there's a there's a school of thought now that what is the there's a company that contacted me about this because i have flat feet as well and they do yeah but they said but my flat feet have gotten better weirdly enough in my late 40s 50s no i just wear no shoes and i work out i do all my weight lifting and stuff with no shoes yeah and uh yeah then you can kind of i'm conscious of it that makes a difference yeah i haven't worked out in a minute but when i do stick with it my feet feel so much better like yeah i think it's a muscle thing it is because like uh one of the things that i found when i first started doing yoga is it would kill my feet they'd be so sore and i was thinking like but my feet are they've got to be strong from all the kicking stuff right but for sure they're really not because there's a difference between kicking things and then holding a static

109:12like being on the ball of your feet and holding like a static position right like that would kill my feet and i realized like oh my feet are just good at exploding off the ground slamming into things it's not the same as like holding positions and holding positions really strengthens up all those supporting muscles and it's like trying as your feet are trying to balance out your body yeah all those little like when people get really good at that it becomes effortless and it's so envious like you watch them do it like oh wow they just pick their foot up and enviously stretch themselves fully out and they really like their foot is strong like the base is everything the foot being the base being strong i mean yeah it's literally what we're what we stand on it's it's an underestimated um appendage sometimes hugely and especially when you're like oh i want to wear these shoes because

110:03they make me look good yeah you know uh that's my wife yeah we were just talking about jessica i get it there's so many people that do that they torture themselves with funky shoes i met this incredible shoe designer named marion park who is a podiatrist and these are her shoes actually and i love them and they don't hurt and they're cool and she makes these um i i wear her shoes on stage and i can feel good and i'm not like killing myself because like she's like the diamond in the rough i wear her heels too but they're designed in a way that like the weights distributed you know evenly so you're not like totally i mean obviously if i'm like i stomp my feet a lot when i play so it's all it's weird you know that's how maynard from tool ruined his hip yeah i've been told that someone's like good luck later in life yeah man had a hip replacement yeah yeah yeah well i'm you know

110:57i'm dealing with it i'm taking the yoga i'm trying to i'm trying to counter it with the other things you know that's uh those are the luxuries of you know the also the the things i want in life is like being able to like regularly have cryo and infrared sauna and just like body care as i get older i care so much about investing in those things and like the right supplements like for my body not just like what's trending because everything is so specific and you know the big luxury is time like today i had to i worked out before i came here and i realized towards the end of my workout i don't have enough time to stretch properly so i only got like 10 minutes of stretching in and i'm and i'm like how long do you normally stretch for at least an hour what yeah you stretch for an hour yeah wow what what do you listen to for your stretch music i watch movies most of the time

111:52or watch fights yeah well that's great yeah because two birds or sometimes i just sit in silence and stretch sometimes just like to stretch but you don't maintain flexibility you know unless you stretch and you also develop weird imbalances that's not david goggins does two and a half hours every night stretching but is that all he does is exercise uh talks a lot of kiss on instagram what else does he do and not i'm not i'm not a weak ass judge you i'm not judging you david goggins i'm just asking questions no it's funny i yeah that's the one i cheap out on is the stretch you gotta stretch and i and i i'll like pull things often mm-hmm oh man when i was expanding my floors i definitely had like a uh thing that's probably like a repetitive use thing though i mean yeah and it was like and so i i couldn't play music for like a day or two but my floors look beautiful

112:51stretching is important for your back too believe it or not a lot of like back injuries start out with hamstring tightness yeah yeah like everything it's all connected the whole thing all the way down to your heels are connected yep yeah you get massage therapy i do but i haven't since i've come to austin i need to find a good spot but i have one of those thera guns that i'd slam myself with those are great we gotta be like i've known i've had friends really hurt themselves with it too like what are your friends doing well you know what my friend's girlfriend was doing on his back and she did it right on his spine and it like really him up he already had an injury anyway joe doesn't buy it i love when you're gonna make fun of me like for saying warrior king or something like and i really regret it i wish i just said king but i can't take it back it's already it's already out there no

113:42the problem is not you saying it the problem is a man saying about himself oh no that's up i'm your warrior king imagine a guy sent you a text i am your warrior no that would not be like these things need to be so specifically yeah girls have funny things that like that end it no i'm pretty i'm pretty generous in that way but you know it would i don't know it's hard it's so i haven't it's i've just been so off the map in that way that i have no perspective anymore like i'm just like yeah okay you know i did um i did a dating app thing for a minute and it was horrible i got so sick of it because like there were like three dudes that like just told like like they they all wanted to lick my butthole and i was like i've never even met you and you're telling me these things like i'm scared of you i don't like it's so weird when someone tells you what they want to do to you

114:44it's very predatory to be honest because like it's one thing to talk dirty with somebody that you're with and you're comfortable with but someone you've never met it's like a lot of pressure like what if i meet you and i don't like the way you smell i'm not gonna let you lick my butt sorry you know like it's that's the that's the truth and also i'm just like it's and i no no disrespect to people that are on the apps because i know it works really well for people but i'm just i got too much energy for that and i don't want to be measured by in in that way i don't know how to present myself to you in a photo with a bio yeah a complicated soul i mean you got to think about the guys saying they want to lick your butthole this is my thought it's like does this guy just have like a copy paste i want to lick your butthole just throws it out there in the abyss like

115:3150 times and that like fishing right the ocean's big the fish aren't everywhere right well you got to put out a lot of lures right and so maybe this guy just like throws it out there 50 times then bing bing bing here's my address come lick it like whoa jesus christ no i think i think it comes from dudes being super repressed during the pandemic and just being aggressive and being like oh god and like that's cool but i'll pass yeah maybe maybe but i think there's something impersonal about like uh the social media apps or the uh dating apps rather too but you know you don't know the person i don't think i'm complicated i think i'm pretty clear-cut and dry you're very complicated you think so yeah how what you're very emotional you you think a lot you talk a lot about your feelings and your thoughts and you have uh there's a lot going on there you're not like a one-way hot

116:24one-lane highway copy that okay yeah there's a lot happening yeah that's true that's true but i'm yeah okay and i would imagine you require like a lot of conversation with a person to sort of i definitely don't want to date anybody who's boring they are they sure are not so much boring but mostly lazy which is boring yeah so yeah basically the same thing yeah it's a type of boring yeah but it's the worst type of boring like lazy is like if you're boring but you're like really super obsessed with something like there's a channel that i watch on youtube and uh all the guy does is take old things and restore them like old lighters and like like old lighters from like vietnam and like cleans them and restores them there's no talking there's no talking you just see this guy like obsessively refurbishing these things and taking out the old screws and putting in

117:22the news it's called you know what amsr is you know it's a sound thing like people are really into what does that stand for what is that automated sense autonomous sensory meridian response wow so there's a thing on youtube in particular where there's videos that are just labeled amsr there's another one is it i think the guy's name is the beer the wooded beardsman or the bearded woodsman so this is the guy this is exactly the guy zippo lighter restoration vietnam war repair okay this is the one that i saw 19 million views out on my glasses on does that say 19 million yeah yeah yeah literally 19 million views and it's from a year ago like i don't get it i don't know why but it's i mean what i'm saying is i don't get why it's so uh interesting to me but it's very interesting to me it's passion and it's effort and it's like that's cool and i want to see the process

118:21yeah so this guy's not boring at all and he doesn't say a word right yeah it's really like a studied trait or craft yeah that's what i'm talking about yeah someone who's really into something is interesting you know phil hartman said that to me once a long time ago about when before uh foreign he was uh thinking about getting a divorce and one of the things he said to me goes uh he goes the next girl he goes she's got to be into something goes i don't give a what it is if it's rock climbing yeah she's got to be into something i'll never forget that thought like like this this this guy who was just like i don't want to be with this person like just like and then thinking that he wants to be with someone who's into something and i remember like thinking like wow that's a that's an interesting desire i want to be with someone who's really into something it's funny how that lack

119:17of like you know passion deficit is is a thing because you know we spend so much time on our phones like hours a day people are normally just on their phone hours and then it's an energy drain and if you're someone who doesn't already have like a built-in skill set or passion and you're searching you're already leading with a handicap you know and it is it's hard because that that's where like the dating stuff is weird that's where people get obsessive and attached because their souls aren't being fed and like that's huge that's everything to me and i've i've really really honed in on that during covey 2 is like i am so excited about like my coffee in the morning they were there's this one matcha donut that i get at dinosaur coffee and silver like that i literally i'm so pumped about it yeah i don't know it's delicious it's like it's green yeah but like the thing is like i i i find that

120:15you're able to access those those things when you recognize the benefits of of you know passion and and like taking care of yourself and like i think we were talking about this last night about being inspired because tony tony was talking about like man i after gary's show he's like god i want to go home and write and you know and i and i that is uh i feel the same way when i when i see comedy uh it's so inspiring and i just i love it and you know i i realized that you know keeping your brain active in general right like i i was um like when i'm sad if i if i'm like getting depressed for whatever reason which is is kind of rare to be honest like and when it is it's because i have to really focus on something that's like causing me pain but um i've found that when i feel that like atrophy when i just start reading books and like make myself read a book like

121:14like start the day turn the phone off and i set a timer for an hour and i'm like you have to sit down and read that book for an hour and every time without fail i feel better i feel smarter i feel i just whether it's a fictional story or non-fiction i've i've just absorbed something and i most always want to share it afterwards yeah your brain is stimulated yeah but we forget that yep you know yeah people can get you can get really dull like a dull life like boring boring patterns nothing unique nothing interesting nothing stimulating yeah and that's a choice the great thing about a book is you're exploring the another person's way of looking at things you know whether it's fiction or non-fiction you're exploring another person's views particularly like it's it's an opinion book you know you're exploring another person's perspective on and it helps you go oh he sees things the way i do

122:09right oh well she's got a totally different perspective right you know it's like you're firing cylinders you're getting those pistons moving like there's so many people that just don't they just don't yeah and you know that's again that's like i don't know i think it's laziness but i also think sometimes our our self-worth is wrapped up into a lot of this collective and you gotta know how to like step out of it and do some work you know and literally like do that work is like sit with yourself and like it's funny how that is such a hard thing for people but it really doesn't have to be no it shouldn't be but people are terrified why i love acid well you sit with yourself people are terrified of being alone suzanne not anymore i was at the beginning of this i was of wreck i was so scared and now here's the problem yeah will you be terrified of not being alone

123:02i think that's smothered oh no that's never gonna happen again i've been there that's that's a that's another you get you rule out these frequencies of like energy and stuff and you know when it's time to uh i can sniff that out and it's it's just a balance like you like don't get me wrong i want someone to be um my champion that i can be a champion for them as well you know build a life together but um yeah being worshipped is like a whole other thing that's never good for anybody you know being smothered is kind of like the same thing it's like usually it has a corresponding negative effect too like the once they don't worship you anymore now they hate you oh my god yeah it's it's a long way down from that pedestal yeah and you and you have to but also like you you get used to it too it's like not good for anybody yeah been there done that no more that's why i don't like meeting

124:03people at shows if i ever met a dude at a show a fan it just feels not real to me for some guys that's all they like they like uh like comedians especially they're like girls that are fans yeah i mean whatever butters your scone you know well the last thing a comic would want is someone who doesn't think their act is good right someone doesn't like them i mean i guess it would don't get me wrong like it would be tough to date someone who's like hey i'm in love with you but like i don't like your music that would feel discouraging yeah yeah i think you're amazing yeah yeah i mean i'd still want them to like be into what i'm into that that would be good is it a smart move to date musicians or a bad move depends if they have their together or not you know like they'll know what you do at least at least if you date a musician they'll understand the business they'll understand the craft

124:59understand the the yeah i mean i haven't uh dated one that i didn't break up with so all i could say is i'm i'm open to it and and i love musicians and you know i i feel all the things that you know any audience member feels when they see somebody amazing on stage you know but um yeah again it's just like stand on your own two feet bunions and all when you write do you sit down and say okay i'm gonna write today for x amount of minutes or x amount of hours or do you just like let inspiration catch you both suppose yeah but when so so i'm just like time fourth quarter of this record that i'm tying up and i did a lot of writing for it and now i'm in the more practice the instruments phase of like wanting to kind of level up in that way but when it's time to write a record and you're like so like this record when it comes out in a couple months um hopefully i will be

126:09working it in the way that if you know when i get to start touring or like you know do at this point doing digital stuff to to keep the momentum but at some point it's you know during a record cycle you have to start preparing for the next one and i i do both i have to really get get in the routine of flexing the muscle and sometimes i'll set a timer and write for an hour and not come up with one goddamn thing that sounds good but you know same time like i'll write a couple songs that might be shitty and then i get to the good ones or you can frankenstein them like they sort of like i record everything and um kind of bounce around sometimes but you know and then sometimes like i have to stop what i'm doing because i can't not write like i'm it's like this crazy it's rare it's only happened a couple times and that that song that inspired me after watching dave

127:02chappelle show was like or not the chappelle show but sticks and stones um it was like i i couldn't wait to get home and sit at my kitchen table it was so weird yeah that's the beautiful thing about inspiration it's like you got this little gift of creativity this little seed you gotta run run run get to the dirt get the water on it quickly quickly because if you go to sleep yeah that will go away it's weird it's weird and you know what sucks is usually when i'm in that writing phase i stop sleeping like my brain does not shut off yeah and and i i don't know i i don't take that though that's i do take it i do take it and i've gotten a really good relationship with that stuff too especially with the sarasat sleep stuff that i told you about but um i've also like i don't feel like it's like you're a martyr to your craft i don't feel like that but i do uh honor the process

127:55and so when when my body's sort of conflicting with my my spirit and my mind i just kind of have to roll with it and i can still like enjoy my matcha donut and still be pumped even though i'm exhausted you know i now know that those things are valuable and a lot of them are false seeds like the seeds i think they're seeds and then they turn out to be but when i get one i i get up i write it down and most of the time i either go upstairs and and start typing and start writing or i'll at least flesh out what i think the idea is before i go let myself go back to school that's good yeah cause i've gone back to bed i'm like i'm gonna remember that no you don't i don't remember just it feels different in the morning when you try to visit it too it's like some magic has gone out yeah you betrayed the gift yeah yeah you betrayed the muse yeah i think like it's like

128:48you know i think it's part of that breaking out of the cycle right people get uptight like if i don't get my eight hours every night you know blah blah blah but like sometimes you have to go like follow the buffalo like you're being led somewhere right you know like your brain is like coming up with an idea and like when you shut that down it's like are you gonna be better for it the next day when you wake up because you got your eight hours or because you uh kind of um excavated an idea that was coming up that might be brilliant we got to think about how many songs are in an album it depends 12 sure okay average yeah so that's 12 gifts right 12 gifts of creativity even if you've done the work they're gifts of creativity and uh you might get you know a lot of inspiration that doesn't go anywhere but the 12 ones that wind up making their way on an album how long what does

129:46that process a couple of years no a year some people some people take their time like that uh and i that's cool um but i mean it depends like a year six months it's hard to say i mean i my first record my ruby red record i did really fast i we recorded it in a month and i was like writing songs in the studio and finishing them like then oh wow and then there were some that i'd started a while back and uh i'm trying to think about this record yeah this has some oldies some old uh seeds that i you know replanted yeah i've got a bunch of old seeds sitting on my hard drive that's cool yeah that's fun to go back and look at like where you were in time i should probably make a folder called old seeds hmm that's good this is really what it is yeah but the the point i was getting at is like you don't get them every day you get them every now and then so when the day comes and one pops in you're

130:40like oh you gotta run somewhere and write that down you gotta get away from everybody i'll jump out from the dinner table i'll be i got an idea and i just said oh that's so cool i got an id and i run away yeah well comedy's different because like you're constantly performing and like i mean i get like when you're on the road you st you obviously stick with a set right like but i'm sure like give or take adding some stuff into yeah but like and how what's the like cycle on that two years usually from a netflix special to a new netflix special so two years from coming up with the ideas writing them out or fleshing them out on stage doing a lot of showcase sets like that's one of the things we need in austin we need a plus a place to work out because you can't just do regular shows like these chapelle shows i'm doing you need a place where you can around and just

131:36be loose and not have a lot of expectations yeah you want like 15-minute sets that was one of the beautiful one of the beautiful things about the comedy store so you'd have a lot of 15-minute sets and you'd be sandwiched in with 10 other people that are doing the same thing so like um you do that for a while and then you start touring comedy clubs so you tour comedy clubs with this new kind of 45 minutes and it becomes a real hour eventually as time goes on and then you go to theaters and then once you go to theaters you you then you feel like all right this thing's bulletproof and then you polish them down in theaters and then at the end two years later you're ready to rock and then you're ready to put it down on film damn yeah and then you abandon it so like uh you can see so like do you have like a vacation time where you're like i'm just gonna chill for the next usually i had two

132:28trucks yeah oh fun yes i need something to re reinvigorate my mind or i think about things or i do um i don't have an isolation tank out here i got to get a tank get a tank i mean this is isn't this a tank this is something different this is cool this is the texas spaceship you made the walls like this right it wasn't like it was like this was curved it was a conference room what were they uh conferencing about nonsense this is not the end form of the studio this is what we decided to go with with the time we had and we've got jamie and i have had some confidence i like the language what to do differently lamps came from hawaii i bought them in hawaii i was like one day i'll use this and it was a part of a big thing but we took it apart and turned it into this and then where where'd you get this guy got that guy in thailand ganesh he's the remover of obstacles

133:23that's why that was uh the thing i really touched on during this whole experience of like unsubscribing to the suffering it's like oh well that's an idea and like suffering is an obstacle in so many different ways it's like unsubscribing to the suffering so you were committed to the suffering before i wouldn't say that i would just say like it was around you know and like re well just recognizing that in in certain ways like career stuff money relationships like it's all you know all sort of like coming from the same cup that i kept drinking from basically and and then you know just facing that and being like oh here's where i can just pivot and also um i feel like suffering is such a you know back to the what did you call the brain the human thing you had a really cool word for it earlier we were talking about um like the ripple effect kind of oh the that there's a super organism

134:33human super organism yeah i think that that's like a collective suffering like there's so many things that we are just sort of used to that aren't necessary and that like you can outsmart it you know i've been doing that in a way that doesn't i'm not like um like i've metabolized it and been like does that make sense and and now like i'm recognizing things like anxiety are the same as excitement like the same feeling oh and so instead of like thinking negatively about that feeling of excitement right and feeling dread yeah whoa yeah now you're like whoa yeah things are exciting yeah yeah like coming on the podcast it's like i can be anxious about feeling like i don't belong here and like unworthy how is that possible it's totally possible but i've known you for so long i know we've known each other almost 10 years yeah well this is my suitcase i'm showing you

135:27so like that like that's the thing and then i have to be like but i'm excited i'm excited i'm excited and like i literally just like take that and i'm like here's where i'm gonna you know rearrange that feeling and then i'm just excited you know yeah instead of being like dread yeah filled with woe yeah yeah same thing with last night playing with gary you know like the song kind of got messed up by the guitar but i was like no one noticed great by the way no no one in that audience had a name but i could have freaked out like i feel like old me a little while ago would have freaked out and like gone like oh god oh god you know really yeah for sure it didn't seem like that at all it didn't no one even knew there was a up until you talked about it on the podcast like the people that were at that show that's something that was listening to this podcast i thought it was so obvious

136:15damn it no no not at all not that but again like i st i don't feel bad about it i still had a great time and like you're a musician did you notice the up he noticed he did yeah yeah i could tell she was having trouble with the guitar from the beginning like she put it on couldn't hear it that well yeah yeah but it handled it like a pro hey thank you i didn't i didn't see any up i i just saw you adjusting the amp yeah no it was all the thing is like again thanks for saying that jamie i've been doing this a long time and like rather than like suffer from a like a malfunction just be like oh oops that was fun though you know and it was i had a blast yeah well it's i think the thing about live performing is it's so different than anything that most people do in their lives most people never get to rock out in front of an audience you know it's such a wild thing to do

137:10it's so unusual and then to go from that to not doing that at all and just walking around and being like a normal person like i'm i assumed it's probably a very because there is with comedians there's a a very large period of readjustment and and now what's happening with most my comic friends they've given up on the readjustment like i'm going on the road i don't give a i'm i'm doing this i can't do this like they just get to a certain point in time where they're like i can't just not do comedy yeah i'm sick like ron white was talking all this crazy well i'm a retire i give up i had a good life i have plenty of money i don't give a and then uh we had him do one show a tony show at a vulcan gas company in town and grabs me by the shoulders after he gets off stage whatever the we got to do to do this again we're going to do it yeah yeah you're going to open up a club

138:01we're going to make this happen i'm like okay okay okay okay ron good to see you're back ron's back ron is back ron's back runs back it's nice to have that perspective though yeah you know if you do it all the time and you're like mainlining it you don't realize that it's you know how much you do yeah it's a lovely thing to do and it's like you know i was saying about uh gary's show last night it's like it changed the way i felt like i sat down i was like it changes the way you feel you're like yeah this is like i'm getting sucked into this thing you know these sounds and all this creativity and you realize this guy put all this together and all these sounds are changing the way everybody feels in the audience and you hear all the woos you know the claps and yeah and then the fact that everybody's in it together yeah i love it i love it yeah i don't see live music enough i really

138:52don't i really i need to see it more often i think he moved to the right town yeah yeah are there a lot of shows going on i don't know i don't know um jamie said he saw some shows on sixth street there were some people that were playing on sixth street right cool yeah i think people are just way more relaxed about this virus yeah you know it's like they're treating it like it's a bad flu instead of treating it like it's uh an alien invader that wants to kill everyone you know right it's weird i vacillate between like not knowing what to do and then like like i get back to la and i have work to do with people but i don't know if we should do it over zoom or if they're gonna you know wait five days get a covid test i get them all the time i go to dodger stadium it's amazing oh yeah yeah i drive through you have to get it the next day you get the results next

139:35just about it's it's kind of slowed down a little like it was i mean you're getting it same day in the summer it was so fast and like you go in being like hey everybody just so you know so yeah you do it for other people you know that kind of thing and um yeah now it's like 36 hours 24. that's not that bad it's not bad especially if you don't do anything between the test and then meeting the people just say hey we'll meet on friday go to dodger stadium on thursday yeah or wednesday and then you know you're good yeah yeah and when i get back i have to uh i did this i think i told you this i opened an etsy store to sell handwritten lyrics with a watercolor and i'm getting pretty good at watercolor all right but i have like over 100 orders and it's i've only done 20. it's a lot of work so when i get back if i'm gonna get everybody that order by christmas um man it was so cool because

140:30one i really needed the money and two every order comes they like you know they tell me what song they want and every order comes with a story and it's been so it's really intimate like people being like hey this is like my wife and i walk down the aisle to this and there's this one where uh this the daughter of these two people that she emailed me and she was like i just want you to know that both my parents bought the same song for each other they think it's a surprise but they don't know that they both like bought the same song and i'm like trying to figure out how to with them um i actually might i might do like two and put them together which would be cool but like it's just like the whole process of like it's a lot of like labor like i'm into that sort of line of work but also incorporating the creative part but aside from it paying my bills having this experience with people

141:24has been so nice so when i get back to la i'm gonna literally do that for like three days straight and then you're gonna pack your bags and i'm gonna pack my bags i was also out joe i was also like god i gotta get fishing gear like it makes sense yeah like holy changes well i think changes are good for me too they really are they're weird they're always weird but those weird patterns shifting those patterns making yourself do something uncomfortable something different it's very important yeah yeah i'm into it start taking yoga fix your feet i do i yeah i should take it more but i mean you should google like how to fix flat feet too well you told me about the yoga toes well that that's the do you wear them while you take yoga no oh no it's like i haven't taken yoga in a long time yeah i do some yoga activity at my house you know i stretch and do some of the yoga moves but

142:25i i haven't found a good place out here yeah i like it hot i like hot yoga like that like yeah like 105 yeah i get so distracted i like that like i start to not feel good it's suffering i like the suffering i think that's cool i got into it when i was i'd rather like sit in a sauna and then do yoga i do that too yeah you know i started doing the ice cold shower thing yes love it it's great right i feel amazing after you get out of there yeah just like i well i do it for i do it for like a minute and then i take a regular shower and then i do a minute on my way out but it helps to set the timer and then i'll like you just like it changes your whole day like i noticed when i didn't do it as opposed to when i did there's a distinct difference in my stress level yeah your body releases something called norepinephrine when you're you're in uh like extreme cold

143:20right on your butt like freezing right your body releases this uh chemical it's so crazy makes you feel good like um that's one of the things about cryotherapy that people love so much when you get out it's incredible you're like oh there's a high yeah so oh my god i would do that cryo healthcare in woodland hills when i would leave they have cryo here do they have full body cryo though yeah we step in when i did it my head was out yeah because this was the only place i did cryo was in austin oh really yeah yeah i bet they do i bet they have it where you can walk in the walk-in one's a big difference because your head gets cold like there's according to his doctor is explaining it to me he's like you get a great benefit from doing the neck down no doubt he goes but the benefit that you get when you do your whole body it's like your body's not confused like

144:10if you do the neck down your body's like why is everything from the neck down freezing and my head's normal it's all the heat's like oh god oh god it's a weird yeah but when your head is under two your body's like oh this is real somebody dropped us off on the dark side of the moon oh yeah cause that's what it's like it's literally the temperature of the dark side of the moon it's like 240 degrees below zero and you wouldn't get your own cryo at home that's a that's not a good way to die yeah i was gonna say i'm gonna do it i thought about it was like not a good idea yeah if i don't want to kill myself with a cobra i was just gonna say oh you missed it that was so good yeah cryotherapy is uh only dangerous though in that way where it blacks you out if you do the below the neck kind see the below the neck kind is liquid nitrogen and you're not supposed to inhale that

144:58the lady that died in vegas what happened was she was short and she didn't adjust the height of the machine correctly and her face was like here and so she's breathing in that liquid nitrogen she just fell asleep you black out because you're not breathing in air anymore did she work at the facility is that what happened oh look at this i have it here i think we talked about a few weeks ago it's really big because like two or three people can get into it well we can have a party up in that you and jamie getting cry all together don't tell him he smells good dancing jamie and i danced together in the cryotherapy box yeah it's um that's my favorite kind that yeah the whole body kind of how cold does that one get though some of them out to get it to like 180 below like let's get both you know what i'd like is just a good polar bear swim you know give me a cold lake

145:45yeah jump in that thing especially if it's like through the ice if you can smash the ice and jump in yeah go to go to iceland they do that well the russians have it right they do the banya where they have they set up a sauna right next to a hole in the water so they cut a hole in the water and then they get in the sauna they they beat each other with the leaves yeah they do that like eucalyptus leaves and then they jump in the cold water and then they go back and forth and back and forth oh yeah yeah we talked about it with emily harrington here uh-huh they have on their instagram they have you talking about their oh minus 170 or something like that there you go look there you are oh man they're thank you that's a black ruffle coffee coffee or die well now we know so we'll go big one all right it's a good spot good beautiful cryotherapy so you set up for that

146:36yeah okay great we gotta find you some yoga while you're here in a good apartment and we're go i want a house though okay yeah do you want a little bit of property there's a lot of deer out here too you'll have like little animals coming in your backyard well i don't know if i want to be too remote because i i i don't know enough that many people here so i kind of want to be i'm moving near us close where's well we'll talk a little bit yeah tell me later i'll tell you exactly where i live yeah there's plenty of spots my address is i like um that idea though of a house because yeah me too got a yard and peace and quiet and birds chirping and and i like i like to cook and like i like to have friends over and you know the apartment is it's cool i'm just i'm good and i also making music too when i feel like people can hear me i hate it oh right right like to hear you practice

147:29hear me playing music or crying i don't want anyone to hear me you want to be able to scream me six months ago during covet when i was like just bubbling up with just stuff that i had to you know face down i it was i i would take drives through malibu and then go to the beach and i was driving through old mulholland drive wailing crying and it was felt so i went home and i felt amazing but i realized that i don't do that at home because russell downstairs can hear me so the guy hates the cat oh i know he's great i love him i do love him a lot he's my friend i don't want him he's sad he's just sad he's gonna get there he's gonna be russell's gonna be okay he's a great dude though i i wanna be clear he's good dude i get it yeah i feel bad for outing him from there funny about the cats what is that i was gonna smoke dad i was gonna smoke it after i sang another song

148:23grass yeah i brought this on last time it's and duncan really loves it too it's cbd you would you can make fun of me it's fine but it's it's gives me like the perfect high because when i smoke regular weed i get too high and i can't i wouldn't be able to talk to you right now oh not in the way that i would like to well you've done it before we got too high and you pulled it off i don't know man you know our last podcast with honey honey i uh we had to pull over i was puking behind a citibank in the valley and i lost my earring that was booze i hadn't drank for a month oh i hadn't drink for a month it was and i remember ben being like looking at me being like sue's you okay and i was like oh good dude we went all in it was fun i drank someone's whiskey with a joint in it it did yeah you did we partied like college kids and it was fun i wouldn't i wouldn't have it any

149:15other way but i definitely yeah man that was intense it was a fun return too because you guys had split up for a while and you're back together again we're so good too like i i just met his girlfriend and i'm just like he we we had we met over zoom because he's on the east coast um and afterwards i texted him and i was like i really like her a lot and he was like look at us suze and it was beautiful it was awesome that's awesome that's a risky move to be romantically involved in someone that you're in a band with we're so he's on like the same we're on the same soul branch like he's i'm a lifer with that dude and yeah we that was risky it works for some people like shovels and rope are this incredible husband and wife duo shuffles and rubs that's how they're going to kill each other after it doesn't work out music i know but shovels and ropes jesus christ

150:09what do you want to call it shovels maybe that's what it has to do with this thing doesn't work i wonder what the story behind you with a rope and then i'm digging a hole i would i would actually wonder if that has something to do with 100 the name yeah that's great now shovels and rope god you're so quick come on they're amazing look he's going to kill her no way that's what i see in his face and the bulging veins their music isn't i'm kidding shovels and rope i'm sorry i'm a community when they come on here one day they do look like they're having a good time oh they're one of my favorite bands they're some of the best live performers out there them and shaky graves it listen it can 100 work out with comedians with singers like anybody says like don't do this like stop people you you can't generalize like that people are so they vary so much like my good friend tom segura and his wife

151:00christina positsky they're they're they're great together and they're both comics and they're both really good yeah they're both hilarious they're obviously you know taking care of each other yes that's the thing they also know that particular kind of crazy like they understand the stand-up comic kind of crazy yeah they get each other i think the more you this is okay the more you take care of yourself because at first when you said you called me complicated i took that as a negative thing not like you were insulting me but like oh does that mean i'm like a handful but really the more you cultivate your person and your passions and the less basic you are the harder it is to find a partner yeah for sure but like it's also um dumb people find people all the time i like you or like you when they just get together and just rub ugly parts they uh that's normal god it's complicated you're i am

151:59going to move out to the woods in texas you're fine creative person if you're a creative person there's no way you're not going to be complicated you know all those weird energies rolling around inside your head yeah i'm reading this book called women who run with the wolves and it's about like cultivating your like wild self whereas like a lot of women are you know your your d program you're programmed to be like polite and like like i curse like a sailor and like peop some people hate that you know and like a woman shouldn't talk like that and that kind of thing and it sounds archaic but it still holds weight like even just genetically like in that familiar way like knowing like when i got tattoos on my hands i remember going to thanksgiving dinner that year and this was back when like we'd have these like big dinners and everybody was together and i was so scared of like oh my god my

152:50aunts and uncles seeing these tattoos on my hands and then i was like but why why am i not just being myself you know because it's not proper and all that so anyway um that's part of it is like being in in good relationship with the wildness of yourself and i'm i'm wild i am like i'm i'm gonna you know try stuff and and be messy and like you know not be cool i don't feel cool a lot of the time but there's going to be someone out there that that's exactly what they're looking for yeah cool well there's someone out there that thinks like a woman shouldn't do that a woman should do it yeah some rigid it's tough man farts are funny i get it they are yeah you know don't overdo it but like be cool with it don't overdo it don't hurt anybody's feelings yeah you want to bust out another song yeah i do it's already 3 30. um definitely before four i gotta go over my notes and

153:56kelly i'm so excited to see you guys i'm like it's this other stuff is just extra you know like i was ready to just hang out and come to your show tonight because i haven't seen you perform in like at least over a year a year and a half at the store was that the last time yeah i don't miss that place ugh so what what's happening with it nothing they got they can't even have a outside bar anymore really because they had like an outside bar and everything they shut that down that would have been perfect they had the outside bar going on for a while and then they they wouldn't let them do outside shows like there's just so much horse that's such a bummer because they actually could have had small shows there you got there what is that that's capo what is capo jamie you want to take this one um it changes the base notes of the guitar the bass notes so well it changes all

154:54the it's basically like raises you can raise the key you can't like it not raise the key so the sound from the microphone is registering on that that bar no well how's it the sound from her guitar is registering on the microphone she was doing that for tuning yeah that's what i'm asking yeah sorry that capo on the neck is what we're talking about no that's something we're talking oh you were talking about this you're talking about the app oh yeah it was a tuner yeah how does it work so it's registering it's seeing them it's hearing the sound from the microphone and it's registering on that yeah that meter yeah and it's showing you exactly where each string should be is that what it is oh yeah you know i just saw this new app so that's not a capo no i would've got looking for the capo app oh my god i'm looking for a cable what are you talking about there's this new thing my

155:47friend told me that is called decibel meter and it measures the frequencies where they're not going to go deaf like last night's show yeah but i this is where i want to like like if i had the no if if i had the wherewithal to have brought this out when i was visited by aliens the other day and realized like you're a negative number what frequency is that i'm not like i could have actually seen my phone just for real that's what it's doing it's tuning it to the exact frequency okay oh interesting so each string has a very specific frequency oh and a lot of times people just do it by ear right you just kind of know no i wouldn't say a lot of times if you have perfect pitch my my friend has perfect pitch he's like i can tell you i can't tell you the name of the of the note but i could tell you if it's sharp or flat and when it's perfect and he does it's crazy it's so crazy is that just a

156:46rare ability i think you can well they say we're all born with perfect pitch they say all babies are born with perfect pitch and it's just something you lose apparently but i think sometimes it's just naturally there and then other times you can like cultivate it fox notably has perfect pitch i believe that's why you can recreate people's voices so well i believe that that makes sense i feel like my pitch has been changing since i haven't been singing that much but we'll see but i okay so yeah this tune is like i haven't really written anything like this and it's um yeah it's kind of like has to do with everything we've been talking about just like a summary pretty much okay all right it's called save for love light that pipe make it burn red make it hiss like the storm that sits your window fill up those lungs honey it won't be long before the moment's gone and you're

158:03dealing with your sorrow take what you can get count all of your blessings cause that hurricane ahead might be never ending rain in hell fire no one's gonna sleep through this one there ain't no shelter ain't no walls it's gonna hold it all together safe for love oh and then those busted bridges hold yourself accountable give that soul deep within you a voice like a parable and make room for the hateful sea don't match your table give them bread for their broken hearts and kindness if you're able cause it's raining in hell no one's gonna sleep through this one there ain't no shelter ain't no walls it's gonna hold it all together save for love um when there's to carry don't be angry that it's heavy honey no you're not alone there's arms here at the ready to help you bear the load no it ain't a one-way road we gotta do this thing together and grow cause it's raining in hell

160:50no one's gonna sleep through this one there ain't no shelter ain't no walls that's gonna hold it all together safe for love um it's beautiful hey thanks man it's probably one of the truer hippier ones i've written but i'm it's like it took me a minute you you look like a hippie today you got the full jean outfit on i felt like i was just going into your spaceship so i needed play a space suit my jumpsuit yeah yeah that's like a 1970 spacesuit yeah there's something about jean jackets right like jean shirts and jean jackets it's like whatever it is about that cloth i don't do that casual it's a jean jumpsuit but is it jeans yeah it's denim yeah paige denim she's great chambray is that a person i think it's a color i'm not sure oh i said it and then i was like chambray chambray it's like i think it's like this blue color oh you know you learn new thing every day

162:32it's it's important to know this one isn't it i guess so that's apparently not no jumpsuit yeah that's the thing that a guy can't necessarily wear no guys we're really cool like dickies like jumpsuits all the time it's sexy as do they yeah you like guys in jumpsuits but like when you get them you have to take the whole there's that thing that's weird maybe you need a mechanic in your life possibly you like dickies jumpsuits i mean i i like uh carhartt that kind of things i mean i i can't say like i'd like them to wear other things do you feel like you're born in the wrong era hmm i feel like you would fit in in like the 1960s very easily no definitely not the 60s really no because i would i feel like the adverse effects of my wildness would just be like i don't know man it depends your wildness would be more damaging in the 60s to myself how so because the 60s are like

163:37okay so you know you have the 50s right of all the returning world world war ii vets and like they're starting families and they're you know they're probably in their teens when they went to war and it's like the don't talk about the war just go home and make babies and yeah pick up and then all this ptsd and trauma and stuff and like and then and now i can smoke um the 60s was like i think this the crumbling of that of being like that stuff doesn't come without consequence like you have to deal with it you have to deal with all of this trauma and you know also like i know just like the women's place in the world oh yeah that yeah you don't realize how bad it is until you're watching movies from the 1960s the guys are smacking women around pretty normal it's like a handmaid's tale have you seen it i didn't watch it i watched one episode i was like this shit's too depressing

164:32it's tough it's eye-opening it makes me feel like visceral uh anguish because you're just like these women are like they're you don't get it it yeah yeah well it seems like i think i would have hung out in the 70s maybe the 70s you'd have been fine yeah i i did don't you think that's the same with women the way women are treated i always go with movies go with this good stevie queen movie steve mcqueen was the hero okay he needs to smack the out of girls in these movies that's so messed up yeah yeah there you go you fit right in there different guys come on like i can see you with that blue one with the how dare you how about the orange one that is way too foo-foo for me okay black on the left is all you yeah yeah what about the bell bottoms could you rock a bell bottom it depends if i'm in shape or not because you know i got them hips and like those are meant for women with

165:31very narrow hips otherwise you really get a weird pear shape and then a whole another shape at the bottom of the pear girls have so much hit to worry about nah guys basically other than the bell-bottom thing guys don't dress much different that's true the the male uh fashion trends are really they stick within the same revolving stuff yeah collars get longer collars got long for a while i don't think those big long collars are back though 70s no no they'll never come back i'll tell you who dresses amazingly as gary clark jr he does always looks good he does he he uh john varvatos is like he did his campaigns really yeah i when i was playing with hozier i was backstage at the beacon theater in new york and i was talking to this really nice guy and his wife and their midwestern they're telling me about their kid's pet turtle and i was like wow these people are cool and then

166:29i was like uh well how do you know andy who's here and he's like oh he was in my campaign and i was like what's your campaign he's like oh i'm john vervedos and i was like what he was the nicest guy and then i was also like hey why don't you get a women's line doesn't he look good yeah he does well the way he dressed last night i could never wear those clothes on stage well he has his ankles exposed like his coughs are rolled up you can expose your ankles yeah those big boots why can't you expose your ankles on stage well i mean i just can't roll my pants up like that i just can't that's fair it's just it requires too much effort yeah yeah yeah it's like i'm it's a look yeah you know there's a lot of things i can't do as well like what else no you're bad uh what can't i do um i can't do high-waisted pants like mom jeans look i don't get that it gives me a stomachache every time

167:24because i can't once you sit down there's like this pressure on your gut yeah and i always end up like really gassy i mean some people wear it well yeah some people wear it really well and they look beautiful so is this this weed is like calm weed it's like not you're not getting really up no i love it give me one of them yay dad grass minor league up because people don't share joints anymore you take the whole thing no we don't share john cena right now but we're both free i know well if you want to share but have your own it's okay um yeah it's it's lovely i oh my god this is so funny joe this is so funny a couple weeks ago i it was a sunday i had all this stuff to do and i i think i was reading i was reading something i don't know i was like hanging out and i was like i'm gonna smoke a dab grass and i smoked like the whole thing and then i realized it was joe rogan

168:32weed and i didn't i did it by accident oh no and normally i just take two puffs of that weed before bed and it knocks me out and i was like and i was hallucinating i mean i took i took a shower and i think i was in there for 45 minutes and i was like i i called ben and i was like ben i drugged myself and he was like i think it was meant to be and i was i was so high for the rest of the day and i and then i i just gave myself the day off and i watched like rick and morty and i laughed and i was like i guess the universe wanted me to get super heavy it's good but i was incapacitated yeah it's a good reset sometimes yeah but after it's over you feel good yeah i did i i think yeah i was given a a luxury i didn't know i needed that's one thing that texas needs is legal weed i was gonna ask about that it's ridiculous out here they'll throw you in the gulag do you have to worry about the um

169:28authorities or anything with them you're gonna find out they'll probably love you i think the the cops think it's nonsense it's the problem is it's the way people are voting but then part of me says yeah but that's also keeping this state read which is keep keeps people free you have freedoms in terms of like freedom the second amendment freedoms and and then just freedoms to go to restaurants and the things they allow they allow you to make your own choices here which is california is not into california is not allowing people to make their own choices and i think there's there's a balance to be well you can't go to a restaurant you can't open your restaurant you can't go to a gym you can't open your gym like all the that you can do here it's really backwards too like you can um you can get your nails done but you can't get like one of my best friends is

170:20an esthetician so she does facials and but they like shut her down but like you can do it's like it's really it's it's really imbalanced it doesn't make any sense no it's not scientific and it's not done by people that are smart it's done by people that are so stupid they wanted to be mayors and they got they got put into that position and we didn't think it was that big of a deal what kind of powers the mayor have no big deal turns out a lot when hits the fan local corruption is really underestimated i remember asking my dad years ago i we went to pittsburgh for something and like pittsburgh was thriving and i was it was such a beautiful city and i you know cleveland's supposed to hate pittsburgh but um and i asked my dad i was like dad why how come pittsburgh looks so evolved and in this at the time i was like cleveland does not and cleveland's done a lot better since and he was like

171:11corruption honey he's like ha like our like i think at the time there were like several city council members in jail from embezzling and like it's just they just got hoed so hard and i think that people they got hoed yeah they got hoed and i think that people people underestimate thinking that they're always out for your best interest and that you're being taken care of and you don't have to worry about a thing like you got to get active if you want to make like changes in your community period mm-hmm and that's it but but also you still love cleveland you can be in a place here so up that even being active is not going to bring it back like you're going to know when to abandon ship and that's kind of how i felt about l.a like i remember reading some articles where they're calling elon musk and i cowards because we were leaving la instead of staying and fixing it

172:02and i'm like listen you you're not fixing this that's interesting like you don't understand like it falls on your shoulders it's ridiculous i'm a the idea of me fixing the politics of la is hilarious but you don't it's not sustainable for people like me at least like it's not i i want a comfortable lifestyle and between you know just the cost of living there and where everything's at and i again i love i think it's one of the most beautiful places in the world california is stunning it's pretty cold it's it's pretty awesome there's a lot of great things about it you go from the ocean to the mountains in like two hours right the climate's incredible i was in ohio a couple weeks ago or last weekend and i was like there's a thing that happens with liberal politics apparently when things go south when things go bad like like what we're seeing here there's this with this pandemic there's this

173:02at least with the way new york runs and new jersey runs and now california they want to tell people what to do and what what you can and can't do and they had eight months to to do something about the hospitals they had eight months eight months they had eight months to figure out how to test people better they had eight months right they had eight months how to encourage people to strengthen their immune system they didn't do any of those things right they just told people what you can't do and it's just poor poor vision it's like the people that are in charge of doing this and setting up the rules and regulations you would never listen to them in real life right you ever listened to garcetti talk no like seems like a wonderful guy a little bit he's not my boy i'm not calling him up and hanging out with him he's a dork right and newsom is just a like clearly a like naked ambition

174:02as wanting to be the president yeah he's got this political naked ambition and you know when guys like him get exposed like he got exposed when he went to that restaurant you realize like oh i was right yeah like this is what i saw yeah i saw this horse yeah and here it is there you go you're horse i get it it's this is this is true every time i go to dodger stadium uh there's i i don't can't really hear him but there's like garcetti like sitting at a desk talking and every time i look at it i get a sick feeling and that's all i could tell you is like i don't actually i'm not listening to what he's saying in a like um uh logical way or anything i just like the way it feels like a fake weird way of communicating that you only can get away with when you're doing it for a lot of people yeah yeah i don't i don't like any of them it's like i don't like the decisions anymore thank god

175:00yeah but i don't the decisions they're making is ruining the place where i live for the last 26 years i mean it's it's it really is um it's uh oh it's still hot yeah that thing's awesome it's insulated look at that yeah yeah i think that that's where um there's a lot of people i really really love that are in california that i i want to be able to see so i think the best of both worlds is like that's going to be like the place to visit and when i have work there just you know tend to it but interestingly enough i can live here and get probably a lot more done so i mean it kind of feels the vibe here is more relaxed like i feel better here i used to feel tense in l.a like much more tense yeah i feel more relaxed here and you know doing this thing doing this podcast is weird knowing that there's millions of people listening is a weird thing and the more i can do to be relaxed the

176:01better off i am yep yep no it's a lot of energy coming at you and you're doing great well thank you you're handling it very well thank you very much yeah it's like everything you get better at it you know you get better at handling things yeah i mean again like full circle like all the like work you know you ca you have the opportunity to do during this time is like just that like how to handle whatever energy's in your life and yeah it's it feels really good when you figure out your formula for yourself yeah so you felt like that that's like the biggest change about this pandemic because it's giving you this opportunity to kind of like enjoy being alone enjoy like little rituals like your matcha cupcakes or donuts or whatever and those kind of in change the way you look at things enjoy things more like choose to be happy choose to be excited instead of be you know filled with anxiety

177:01you choose to be happy about it something i discovered about myself and like my new um uh detail is that i've like i said like like oh my god i had to reassess calming down before i came here like i i feel like one of the things this is pretty narcissistic actually but that like i'm in the way i feel like i'm bothering people a lot of the time when i'm just being myself it's yeah it's a really weird feeling and like what makes you feel that um i think it's childhood stuff you feel like you're bothering people when you're just being yourself yeah like i'm too much for a lot of people but the thing is if i'm too much for those people they're not gonna be my friend or or my lover or my boyfriend or husband you know what i mean you're not too much for your friends like i don't think you're too much no you're fun thanks i enjoy your company it's weird it's almost like imposter

177:56syndrome stuff it's like been i don't know how to describe it very well right now everybody gets that yeah but it but when you're alone it's debilitating because like you know i was processing my last relationship and like oh my god like it's what did i do wrong you know but at the end of the day it was just like two people that weren't right for each other and like stuff like that that like you can just take a good hard look at but also you know celebrating yourself is like a weird thing to do but it's such a good thing to do when you're like kind of crawling out of a weird hole yeah it all depends on where you're at in life right the problem is when you're killing it and you're celebrating yourself people want to just smack you like you really shouldn't be celebrating yourself when everything's going great that's when you really should probably be a little harder on yourself and a

178:39little more scrutiny and little more humility and it's a balance because you should enjoy it too but like enjoy it with the people like share those things with people that matter of being like wow i've never felt better about blah blah like that's cool it's one thing if you're like yeah don't be an i enjoy very little of my success i enjoy other things yeah i don't enjoy it too weird okay i enjoy other stuff you enjoy the fruits of it i enjoy like i enjoy doing things i enjoy like hard workouts i enjoy archery yeah i enjoy things that require they don't give a what i do or who i am that's awesome things that require they require a certain amount of effort but and those are like byproducts of the success kind of like sorta i mean i enjoy the fact when shows are over they went great i want everybody to have a good time i enjoy that i'm happy with that but i always feel

179:29like back to work yeah that's like the moment i get off stage and everything's great i always feel like go back to work i don't know if that's healthy or not but it's the only way i have of us maintaining some sort of balance through this weird life that i live yeah i mean like you can't really compare yourself to anybody else so there's like you're also like pioneering this this enormous amount of energy that like yeah you could be a lunatic but you're not so you know and that's really cool really yeah it definitely would lend itself to if you were a lunatic or if you didn't have a lot of uh self-introspective thing like if you weren't inclined towards introspection and inclined towards uh self-analytical thinking you know if you weren't like ruthlessly analytical about your own self it would you well here's a question are you good at saying sorry when you up

180:25yes that's better than i've ever been in my life everything yeah i go out of my way it's a that's a important thing to do it's really scary when you get because i've seen it other people when they they get really successful and then the people around them start catering to them in a way that is so damaging and they lose their perspective and like it's scary yeah well it happens to people you know um they were talking about that gentleman who ran um zappos who wound up dying recently yeah well he was doing a lot of drugs and then there's something with a fire he got caught in a fire i don't know if they were related or not but jesus um one of the things that i read that he was friends with jewel the singer you know she said i got a piece of trivia do you know the jewel is from the same family that is on that uh alaska last frontier show no yes but i know

181:23she's from alaska they're the f that's the her family that's crazy yeah it's crazy like one of the most talented singers ever yeah i hear really good things about her yeah how could she be wait have you had her on no i'd love to have her on but how could she be anything other than wonderful she's got an amazing voice yeah but um she was friends with that dude from zappos and she said to him listen when the only people that you're talking to are on your payroll like you're yeah and that's a great yeah she would have a perspective too because i mean she was wildly famous in the 90s and like you know you see it you see it like like look at britney spears i mean like my god look at her like it's bad but i think she's got some mental issues yeah but also like she can you imagine no one of your kids at 15 parading around millions and millions and millions and

182:14millions and millions of people millions i had miley on you know oh my god yeah i listened to half of that when i was getting a covet test that made me sad yeah she's so talented yes but what made me sad is thinking about her as a 12 year old yeah doing stadiums yeah in arenas and just a lot it's crazy she's remarkably together for someone who has grown up with uh without a real life you know her life i don't think anyone i first of all think fame for anyone is a weird drug it's weird you know it's weird if you're 50 it's weird if you're 12. it's weird it's dealable yeah if you understand who you are but if you're growing up and you're evolving while you're getting famous that seems insane oh my god it's impossible but it's also contingent upon like what you're famous for you know the thing is like miley is wildly talented and deep and she's an artist and you know

183:14you hear her sing jolene you go holy yeah yeah and and it's like thank god for that you know because she's able to save herself and all the ways that she's done all this work which i'm sure was no easy feat and then she also has that to keep going and work with and those tools only get sharpened when you have that perspective you know the thing about famous people when they you know start the whole like payroll concept is like they're they're so they're so lost you know and like you know narcissism is a real thing and and that can spiral into other like probably cluster b personality disorder stuff it's like oh yeah you know people are getting like infected almost and it's very sad you know well you if you see like a person who's crazy narcissistic and then see their employees that are like stumbling around trying to serve them and get them things and holding a clipboard and taking notes

184:12with everything they say like that kind of weirdness makes me sick i've been i've been uh employed on in areas of that and and like i'm not drinking that kool-aid like and it's it's a tough one i don't like to be around any of that it's weird because it's the same that happens with kings it's the same that happens with royalty if there's a weird thing that happens with people when they have ultimate power you know it's the old adage you know uh ultimate power corrupts ultimately no absolute power corrupts absolutely you know there's something about it having that ability to just tell everybody what to do like how how could you be a king and not be out of your mind you know like imagine only if you are able to incorporate the balance like the rest of us and we all have different formulas for the balance and it takes constant cultivation period it's not like you did good and

185:11you're like you got like because everything's always changing and the people around you are always changing and like those are the qualities i look for in my friends and i look for in my partners and it's amazing when you start taking a hard look at that like my whole social circles really changed during this in a really healthy way and i and i have love for everybody on their journey i really do but like at the end of the day the folks that are like they've got their balance dialed in and even when they're off balance but they they want to get back to here like i respect that so much like it's everything it is those are the type of people that you need to be around yeah because then you also set those same standards for yourself you can spend your time and your energy um being the the dictator right if you were a guy that runs a movie studio or if you're uh

186:04some famous singer or whatever you could you could be the dictator for everybody around you or spend that time working on yourself yeah the same energy you you could use to make sure that you never become a tyrant right make sure that you never become that that crazy person yelling at all your employees well you know i know we have to go in a little bit but like kind of bringing it back to the beginning you know this uh you know psychedelic experience i had with my best friend like when when we got through that point of like her deep pain and trauma and mine as well like we aren't victimized we're like acknowledging this thing that we've worked both in our separate ways really really hard and efficiently so to to find a place for in our lives and balance and like in that like i keep calling it sacred pain you know because that's how it felt because i was also honored that she

186:58would share the things that she did because she knows that she's safe with me and vice versa but like the people that turn into tyrants never did that they never dealt with their pain and like they would never admit their flaws they would never admit those those painful fears that they have and that's really sad you're like missing out on on like real reward in life but there's like it's celebrated in life right like to be a diva is celebrated right um i think that's changing yeah it's like that's like celebrating an it's like oh that guy's such a piece of like why it just doesn't well that was uh you know those characters have always existed right like the producer like someone was telling me the other day about this uh television producer they had to deal with who was a real and uh i said that that was an archetype like that producer was something you aspired to be

187:53like those guys that like produce television shows and films that yell at everybody get this shitty script out of my office so you're fired call up my wife and call this up and get this and tell that guy to go himself i'm like that that guy was the man like that well that's why the pendulum's swinging so you know uh just uh pull like so dramatically because like then you have the other side that it's like everybody's so goddamn sensitive you can't say boo without someone falling apart right you know like no don't get me wrong there are things that need to change 100 percent but like where's that middle ground there's over corrections but that's how things get fixed i mean listen that's what when when you were talking about the producer right harvey weinstein is the archetype right that right i mean everybody was terrified of that guy and look what happened to him they just

188:43locked him in jail like he's he's forever yeah you know and then you you see that the world is not the same place it was when he was telling people what to do and screaming at people and whatever horrible he did to women that's all gone it's changed the world's a different place now and so but like people still need to be able to take a dick joke without being like you know i was assaulted wait what that was just a sick joke you know like i mean there's there's just yeah but that's just a lot of idiots that have the access to social media the problem is there's so many people that don't have their own worked out but they want to control other people right they want to tell people what they can and can't do and they want to enforce it and they want to try and enforce it by getting you fired or they want to try to enforce it by you know getting your shame deep karmic consequence well

189:34you're the one yeah definitely especially if somebody exposes it also i don't know how one would sit with themselves like deeply sit with themselves because they don't sit with themselves they're just tweeting no i think that i think that like you can't avoid that eventually maybe not right away right maybe there's that like oh i just got off on destroying somebody or something but i don't know well there's levels of development like there's levels of everything like there's levels of guitar playing right like some people can kind of strum a little bit um some people can shred yeah like gary right there's levels to how to be a human too there's levels to how you judge and communicate with other people a lot a lot of people suck at it i know but you know what's really cool is uh i think i think we're on a trajectory right now i really do yeah it's good

190:28yeah there's bad moments but bad moments always give way to better moments almost always unless you have to hit with an asteroid or some crazy i don't know are there a bunch of asteroids in texas isn't this like um no there's asteroids in space they come slamming down and they hit various parts of the planet depending on the rotation of the earth there's some of them i'm sure you could find them a lot of them are in antarctica for whatever reason cool yeah suzanne it's always a pleasure seeing you oh my god thank you so much i really do hope you move here we can hang out more oh my god i just want to go fishing in your backyard yay let's um let's uh hang out tonight how about that sounds good yay four four four how about that crazy all right oh cool it's some q is that good is that good luck i think so okay we'll deem it good luck yeah um when is the album gonna come out

191:21i'm gonna i'm gonna say the next two months or so i've got some uh i really have to like corral the the stuff but it's almost done yeah would you let me know i will and i'll sound the alarm thank you thank you my friend always good to see you goodbye everybody see ya