Female Psychopath Explains How She Manipulates Men - Kanika Batra
Guests: Kanika Batra
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§01Diagnosis, credibility, and emotional simulation
The conversation opens with a credibility challenge: Kanika Batra says she has been diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder, while also warning that she can manipulate and lie. She distinguishes what she calls factor-one psychopathy from factor two: the former is described as emotionally cold and socially controlled, while the latter is associated with impulsivity, aggression, criminality, and social disruption. She presents a brain scan and her claimed ability to recognize but not internally share other people's feelings as evidence for her account, then describes crying on command at a friend's funeral. The interviewer also clarifies that “sociopath” is a colloquial term rather than a DSM diagnosis, so the exchange is framed around her self-report and clinical labels rather than an independently established conclusion.
§02Interview analysis
This segment develops the interview's account through concrete claims, examples, and tensions. The speaker presents the following material as evidence for the discussion, while the exchange itself does not independently verify every claim: Factor 1 and Factor 2. So Factor 1 completely lacks anxiety and has no fear response, which is me. Factor 2 is they do get a lot of anxiety. They get very violent. They're very aggressive. They do not have a conscience. They are unable to feel guilt for anything that they've done. But they are hot-tempered, whereas I'm cold, essentially. I can plan over months and months if I'm trying to achieve something. They, if you said, for factor two, if you just say something that they find it, they will blow up. They will. More impulsive. Yeah, way more impulsive, way more chaotic, more likely to go to prison. Interesting. More dangerous or less dangerous? It depends, because a factor one psychopath, let's say, I don't know, a good representation would be Hannibal Lecter. Like, he, I think he's a bit of a threat. But then... Sort of more chilling than terrifying. Yeah, exactly. So factor one is chilling. Factor two is, this guy's going to set me on fire right now. What about the antisocial personality disorder? What's that consistent? So antisocial, the basic traits that you need is like a lack of remorse, lack of guilt, lack of empathy. Being, having anti-social crimes, so anti-sociital norms. So this can include, Hirting animals, hurting children, hurting other people around you, those are sort of the hallmarks of antisocial personality. And then when you combine antisocial and narcissistic and put them together, you get either a malignant narcissist or the kind of psychopath that will absolutely ruin your life. What was childhood like for you? It was fine. I used to witness a lot of domestic violence. So my father was aggressive towards my mother and my brother. I was never treated badly by my dad. He bought me anything I wanted. He essentially never said no to me. Like we had just flown to Australia from New Zealand and I was five or so and I said I wanted a specific Barbie doll. And he walked three kilometers to go get it. Even though he was jet lagged, you know, because we had to pack up all our stuff and move. And so that was, something that I had. My mom would beat the shit out of me though because... So dad beat mom and mo
§03Interview analysis
This segment develops the interview's account through concrete claims, examples, and tensions. The speaker presents the following material as evidence for the discussion, while the exchange itself does not independently verify every claim: How old are you? 14. Yeah, so pretty early on I had conduct disorder and I had callous unemotional traits. I guess that's why I got the antisocial personality disorder. It kind of is a pre-cruly. to that. But I would say in terms of the rest of my childhood, I also had thalassemia. So it's a blood disorder where my bone marrow can't produce its own red blood cells. So I have to get transfusions every three to four weeks. And so because of that, I got so much attention constantly. Like people were always around me making sure that I was feeling good, you know, not sick. It's kind of center of attention. Not necessarily for a reason that you want, but you still did get a Exactly. And then also because of that, also on top of that, I should say, is I did child modeling. So I got a lot of validation from there too. So I always got validation from everyone around me, just not for the things, but it was always for the things that I do, not me as a human. So I feel like that kind of shaped how I saw things and how I made everything very transactional. When did you realize that you were different? probably four or five. What did that look like? It was just that I couldn't understand why people looked so happy and how they could be friends with each other and they didn't really do anything. I couldn't understand what was so attractive about a person and wanting to be their friend. I was sort of forced to deal with other people. Like, I think it was my fourth birthday or my third birthday, I had a friend who was a really fat girl. And I told my mom, like, do not let her ride my new Barbie bike. and she's too fat and it will break and she let her use the Barbie bike and it broke. So I'm just saying. But outside of that, I was like, how are people, like, how do people react like normally to things? How, like, what's wrong with me? It just started to crystallize more around like, I think 10, 11. It just felt like there's like this glass between a wall of glass between me and other people. Like I can watch you. I can observe you. I can study what you do. see what's successful about you and I will emulate that. But I will never feel it.
§04Interview analysis
This segment develops the interview's account through concrete claims, examples, and tensions. The speaker presents the following material as evidence for the discussion, while the exchange itself does not independently verify every claim: And I think with both of us, like both factor one, both factor two, we have equal levels of loneliness. So we sort of channel it a little bit differently to them. Is there a history of mental illness or anything in your family? I would say my paternal side is extremely psychopathic. I know on my mom's side there's one person who would... Is there anyone worse than you? Yeah. Okay, so this is a pretty dark story, but, okay, so my aunt, when she was 17, she had pre-marital sex with a guy who promised to marry her, and then he refused to marry her, and because she had been tarnished, they weren't very happy with her in the family. So she was found burned on a stove. she had third degree burns all over her body and she asked for a red sari to be buried like not buried but when she was in the hospital fighting for her life she asked for a red sari because she believed like she was going to get to marry the guy that she slept with her. Or to red sari sorry? So you'd wear that your wedding. You know a sari like the Indian, yeah. And so yeah she asked for that and I asked my dad like because I didn't even know this happened because burned on a stove. Yeah her head was put on the stove and then they put kerosene on her. as well for the rest. Who did? My grandfather. Because she'd had sex before marriage. And he refused to marry her, yeah. So she's tarnished. Did she survive? No, she's dead. I didn't know she existed. Like, I saw a photo of four little kids in my dad's, like, there's like this old box that he has. And I was like, okay, but you have two siblings. Who are these other ones? Like, which one's you? He's like, no, that's Raju and that's baby. And baby was the one. who was killed and she was only 17. Raju died from, I think, some sort of kidney problem. Okay, yeah, that might be a little bit of a history. Yeah, and then on my mom's side, this one's crazy. So my uncle, he got married five times, different women, swindled all of them, took all of their money, took all of their happiness and sanity, and then he ended up selling my grandparents' home, which is worth a lot, a lot, to... three different people. So he took the mo
§05Interview analysis
This segment develops the interview's account through concrete claims, examples, and tensions. The speaker presents the following material as evidence for the discussion, while the exchange itself does not independently verify every claim: And I'm like, I don't know if I knew I wouldn't be in this position. What did that look like? It was just, I guess, because I was. I've hurt other children. So it's not always like something you can discuss, but I would say it's more like, apart from pushing the girl down the stairs, like I've burnt people, like I've done some things. And my parents had to cover for me a lot. So that was a problem. But because I did so well academically, the teachers would always side with me. Everything was like kind of copacetic. for me. And yeah, but my mom used to call me Satan. My dad said, my dad calls me Gria, which means little doll. And so I got like unending affection from my dad because my first word was Papa. And yeah. Do you think that there's something around the tension between dad seemingly being coddling and enabling and mum being the disciplinarian that created a bit more tension? Yeah, I'd say so because anything. time I would cry or cause like any stress in the family, my dad would always, always take my side and that would mean that he'd have a fight with my mum. And so I guess I weaponized that a lot. So it kind of created a triangulation that I didn't know was a thing back then because like, I'm like, I don't know, seven, eight, nine. When did this get most extreme or intense? Because I don't know, you haven't walked in here, at least yet, you haven't attacked anybody or burnt anyone or, you know. It seems to me you're now married. Yes. You've got a husband who's come with you. That seems relatively domesticated compared with the person that we're hearing about from childhood. Yes. If you're sort of tracking over time when the most intensity of this... Rage. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk me through the timeline of sort of where that got to and where it fell off. Absolutely. So I would say the worst worst was in my teenage to early 20s. So I stole from people, including my parents. I was very violent in my high school. I would cause not only physical damage. Like I used to push this girl off her stool every morning. And the stools were pretty high. They're up like here in the science lab. And so I would knock her down e
§06Interview analysis
This segment develops the interview's account through concrete claims, examples, and tensions. The speaker presents the following material as evidence for the discussion, while the exchange itself does not independently verify every claim: But luckily, other women are easily, like other female children, are easy to neutralize when you know what to go for. If you go for the eyes, if you go for the throat, if you go to certain areas of the body, it's like no matter what your size is. You sound like the New Zealand Bas Routen, if you know the guy from the fucking UFC. Oh, go on. Yeah, that's brilliant. So that was bad. But then in my early 20s, it was like fraud. I would steal people's credit cards. I would go, like, have a competition with my friend who I believe also has antisocial personality to see what we could take from different stores. And there was actually a fair bit. There was, I was pretty awful to people. Like, I would break up with them on their birthdays, create, like, create drama in terms of smearing their character because I know how to do that very well. But because I was like sort of shift. a little bit because I was seeing a psychiatrist. So when I got diagnosed, do you want to know about that? Yes. Okay. So I got diagnosed at 21 and this was after I tried to kill myself because I tried to kill myself because I was getting migraines every day. And I was thinking I don't want to live with this kind of pain daily. And the doctors weren't taking me seriously. My GP told me to stop calling. My neurologist said it wasn't a big deal. And I'm like, yeah, it's not a big deal for you, bro. You're not dealing with it. And so I was like, okay, fuck it. I'm going. So I took the pills, woke up in hospital, realized I'd failed. Disappointed about that. What did you do? What did you try and do? I took 15 end-depth pills, so 15 amatryptylene, which really is actually lethal. So I don't know what happened. And so I woke up and they said, do you want to be in an inpatient facility or do you want to go outpatient? And I was like, yeah, outpatient. I'm not going to live in that house. I'm sorry. And so when I went, I was evaluated for over 16 months by a forensic psychiatrist. I've actually been on TV with him. And he told me that I had antisocial personality disorder. He told me I had narcissistic personality disorder. He would talk about ways because, oh yes
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