JRE MMA Show #93 with Alexander Volkanovski

00:00Love not okay. No, here we go. Three two one the champ is here. How are you, sir? I'm good. I'm good How are you? Sucker up about closer? Yeah, like a fist from your face. All right. Is that good? Good to see you brother What's happening? Oh, not for much mate. Not for much. Just has it settled in that you're the champ? Yeah, yeah, it's it's settled in You know what I mean? Like it's weird. It's a hard explain. Look, I'm on the top of person that You know as soon as I'm home, I'm daddy. I'm the regular bloke that everyone knew me 10 years ago But at the same time, obviously you got you know the the media obligations and everything needs to be done So it's uh, you know, it is different You're gonna get recognized a little bit more on the street, but what is it like in australia now? Do people get excited to see? You know, yeah, yeah, australia, you know, obviously that's where i'm from

00:43So that's a you know, the supports are big especially where i'm locally like, you know, every time I fight Literally, uh, you know Our city stops, you know, just to watch the city Wollongong the gong say it again Wollongong Wollongong the gong the gong the gong Where's the gong? Yeah, we call it the gong just south of sydney Oh, okay, so you're close so you go to sydney when you want to get crazy? Uh, yeah, yeah You know, not really. I don't I don't do too much uh partying and that except for a couple of days ago when we were in vegas So vegas got me got me good. Did it get you after is you won? Got me before and after So yeah, I mean i'm on real struggle street, but uh, we're good Well, we'll get you some water. We got water Oh, yeah, we got some uh Bring in some of those uh liquid ivs Just bring the whole box of it in there. Oh, okay

01:32Yeah, liquid iv is great. Have you ever tried that shit? It's good. It's real good. All right It's uh It hydrates you twice as fast as regular water alone It actually tastes good salt electrolytes all kinds of shit in it All right, and we got this uh coffee turmeric coffee Yeah, the laird hamilton superfood coffee Yeah, i'm addicted to these little uh, i'm addicted to the coffee, but i'm addicted to these fucking All right, there we go. Look at that Rip one of them bad boys. Okay Chuck it in your water. Well, yeah, well now we're Got to do that I guess So, you know, I mean there's becoming the champ and then there's becoming the champ the way you did Because you beat the consensus greatest featherweight of all time in his prime, you know Yeah, that's uh That's a big deal my friend Yeah, exactly right. You know, it's it was huge, you know huge for me

02:16Obviously, I love being the underdog as well, you know, I have been in my last three fights and You know, I love sort of proving that the doubt is wrong, you know, I mean and then obviously again to beat him like I did as well To you know out fight him you know out strike him and and stuff like that again He's a great champion nothing but respect to him but For me to go out there and and do it like that, you know, that's something i'm very proud of Oh, you should be you should be proud of your whole run man I mean you haven't been in the ufc that long Yeah, it was you know, I mean how many years you've been in there now? That's the two I think it's uh two and a bit or two and a bit to three Oh is it okay? Yeah, yeah closer for a year, but it feels like well since the chad mendez fight That's when people started really paying attention. That's where yeah, things went quick

02:57That's when people were like holy shit. Well before that I wasn't even ranked right and that's why I wanted that for Oh no, no, I think I was ranked 10th maybe sorry So that's why I wanted that fight, you know, I knew if I took him on that'll get me straight to you know fifth rank And then that's why I wanted to call out, you know Aldo after that because I knew that would put me in a position where I could you know fight for a title Yeah Shoot for them ranks as I always said What is going on at city kickboxing? You need to tell me man Yeah, well That's another thing that a lot of people don't realize i'm actually based in wollongong like yeah, but I go there for my camp Right, so I go there a lot and man Do you go to one in new zealand or do you guys have one in australia? No, no, no we go to new zealand So how far is that flight? About two hours two and a half hours

03:38Yeah, but what made you decide to make that trip? Well, i've known the guys for a long time, you know, eugene easy even and brad riddell brad riddell was actually When I was in thailand, you know tiger muay thai, you know, I do a bit of training out there And he was a striking coach for a while So I was working with him a fair bit And you know, that's when they bring eugene and israel And that's when I started like and I got to know them and stuff like that And just ever since then we've we've always, you know sort of got along And now we're just you know, we're a part of a part of team me and joe lopez is my head coach But we go there to you know to city kickboxing and train with the boys or every camp We'll go there, you know, we'll go there, you know a couple of times each camp

04:17So i'll do like two three weeks get back to the family and train and then go back there again for the last couple of weeks And then I head head to my fight usually and where do you train when you're home? I train a freestyle fighting gym So that's uh locally where I am. That's where I first my first day ever in the gym was at that gym So that's still where I am today as well. That's awesome. So what made you need to make a shift though? Well need a higher level of competition to train with? Well, yeah, that's always going to be a big part, you know, again, it's not a massive right where I am You know what I mean? We've got some some people but it's just you know We're starting to get a team in that now but that competitive sort of training partners is is a big deal And my coach is always you know, joe's always been a strong believer of you know training with so many different levels of you know

04:57Styles, you know everything, you know, that's a great coach Great coach is not worried about you going to another camp and training is a great coach exactly right So and it works, you know like no surprises come fight time because i've seen so many different body types So many styles, you know, I put myself in that position Every time like you know what I mean? Like every every fight camp I am doing as many different bodies as I can Yeah, just so I you know, there's no surprises come fight time. Is that your phone? Yeah, it was my phone No worries So, um When did you start training? What year did you start? I started uh, I've been doing it for about Yeah, not even 10 years nine years. So I actually started uh, mma training as just a kit to keep fit while I was playing rugby league So I was uh, you know, that was when I was 214 pounds

05:43So that's something that uh, obviously, uh, when we're when you when I'm fighting and you say 240 and it'll slow Oh, it's your language. You guys have that australian language. Yeah things different Yeah, exactly Yeah, exactly So it's out 214 That makes more sense Yeah But still it's ridiculous amount of weight 100% you know, I'm five foot six on a good day, you know, I mean Give me a good stretch out do some yoga sessions I might make five foot six, but you know what I mean? It's just a yeah I was a you know a lot bigger and I wanted to stay fit in between Yeah in in between uh Like sort of the season preseason So that's why I went and started and Just loved it ever since so that was about yeah again nine years ago So and how old are you now? Uh 31 Look at you fucking gorilla Oh, yeah, there you go see Look at the size of you Jesus Christ You're 31 Look at that head

06:30So you were you know early early 20s and no martial arts training at all before that? Um I wrestled so I wrestled before I even done rugby league I wrestled for about Probably a year. I can't even remember was you know, honestly, I was I done it for about a year And uh, you know, I done pretty good or something that I was actually pretty good at but You know, I wanted to play football with my mates and I got over wearing the tights, you know wrestling and stuff like that So, uh, you know, it was just something that Yeah, I ended up just playing football with a mate So I sort of gave it up and I was actually pretty good at it So we won the I won the nationals like, you know, obviously it's the wrestling's not as big in australia as it is over here But you know, I still won like the australian championship twice and stuff like that But then I just I just gave it up and started playing football Yeah

07:13So that's crazy. So you won the australian nationals twice Yes Wow Yeah, so that was a yeah, they'd have them every year And you'd only been training for a year? You'd only done it for a year? Yeah, honestly, I remember we used to have a game night we call us at a PCYC, Police Boys Club It's just a local club usually they'll have like games nights and they had wrestling there And I just went there one time and the, you know, the trainer was just like Oh, you should come and do training because I was doing all right So I just started doing it and then I was actually pretty good Again, I was always like I literally, you know, come out the mother's womb like this, you know what I mean? So I've been this big since I've been this big or, you know, this high and look this old like for, you know, since I was like 12 So I was always So I was always versing guys twice the size of me and you know what I mean?

08:01So I was, you know, older, much older as well And I used to do well So that's why a lot of people, you know, thought I was mad, you know, when I gave that up Because I was doing so good And then the same was at rugby league when I played rugby league Even people thought I was mad giving that up as well Because that was something I was pretty good at as well So what made you decide to make a switch to MMA professionally? Just my last year of football, rugby league You know, we won the comp, you know, I got player of the match I scored a 40 meter try So you can imagine that guy running 40 meters Yeah, so it was just a, you know, it was just, yeah, a good year to finish on You know what I mean? I had a couple of fights as well that year So I was training at MMA and having a couple of fights while I was playing rugby league Oh really? Yeah, so that was a lot of training So during the season? Yeah, yeah

08:46So during the season you were having fights? Yes So you'd have a game and then you'd have a fight? Yeah, yeah, pretty much Wow So it was pretty full on and still working, still concreting Really? So, yeah Jesus Christ It was pretty full on So a lot happening, you know And I guess that's probably where I get some of my fitness today as well You know what I mean? I've just always been a bit of a gamer And, you know, that's just something I've always done But maybe from back in them days as well Well, I would imagine that just the sheer tenacity and cardio that you would get from rugby Rugby is a tough fucking sport I mean, that's what I think Americans should play I really do I look at American football, I'm like, take off the fucking helmets What's up with the shoulder pads? And honestly, I think it's safer I think rugby's safer I don't think it's safe It's obviously a very rough combat sport Yeah

09:31I mean, it's kind of like a team combat sport, almost But you were at least not under the illusion that you're protected Like American football players have been for so long with the helmets and the pads And that's what's causing a lot of the brain trauma Yeah, with them hard helmets and all that Yeah I get what you mean Slamming into each other, you know Yeah, I guess I can see what you're saying there as well But, you know, then, again, then you're looking at that, you know, someone running at, you know No helmet as well But I get what you're saying I actually think, you know, I think you're right I think you hit the nail on the head Well, I think they've considered this But people are so accustomed to football helmets, football pads So the idea is to just make better helmets and better pads But according to the guys who really study traumatic brain injury That's not really going to help

10:18Because it's the impact The head, the brain swashing around inside your skull That is just so The amount of mass that you have These guys colliding into each other It's almost unavoidable Yeah, it's like what they're actually when you're talking boxing And that as well And a lot of people, you know, obviously we've got the smaller gloves Right But then the boxers, they have more padding But it's just so many more strikes to the head Yes Day in, day out And they reckon that's actually, you know, can be actually worse for you Yeah, I imagine it is And then also there's nothing else You can't, you're not even allowed to clinch I mean, if you clinch, they separate you You know, whereas in MMA, if you get rocked You could at least protect yourself Yeah And if it goes to the ground, you could hang on You could try to submit someone You could try to wrestle with them There's not a lot of options in boxing, you know

11:03Yeah, definitely So what, so you, you did well in rugby And you had a couple of fights while you're playing rugby What was it? Was it just a one-on-one aspect of it? Like what made you decide to focus entirely on that? Man, I've always loved martial arts You know, always loved it And I love the fact that, you know You're in there by yourself You know, I've always been a hard luck worker Yeah, so you could play the best game of your life In, say, rugby league And still lose Yeah, you could do everything right You know, make thousands of metres Whatever it is And someone else fucks up Well, yeah, again You know, I don't want to put it out Put it out Yeah, well, exactly right That's sort of Even, even It could be vice versa I could play a bad game We could win But I love, you know The fact that I'm such a hard worker And, you know, I'm always putting the hours in the gym You know, I'm so dedicated to this sport

11:49So if I lose in that cage That's on me You know what I mean And I love that I love the fact that You know, if I am half-arsing it You know, in the gym You're going to see that come fight time And I've got no one else to blame but myself So, you know, that's I've always loved that And, again, I've just always loved martial arts Even boxing UFC Even, you know, before I even started, you know Training MMA I'd like, you know, listen to music And I would, you know Just picture myself winning the world title Really? Yeah, I've always loved it Even before you were training? I wasn't even training You know, it was just something that I've always loved I actually started watching it Back when, I think Because we had a box You know, you get the chips And you can watch whatever channel you want And the pay-per-view I probably shouldn't say that But anyway So the pay-per-view was on And I remember watching Tito Ortiz and Ken Shemrock

12:36That was the first time Their first fight So that was the first time I ever started watching, like, UFC And that's when I just absolutely started loving it So I've always, you know, watched it And loved it And, you know, picture myself being in there And all that And I wasn't even training at the time That's it Well, Australians are tough as fuck It's like, it's a tough fucking place There's something They're men You know what I mean? There's a lot of I mean, I'm sure there's some pussies over there too But they're men You know what I mean? Like, that's like One of the ways that people look at Australia It's like, it makes sense Yeah That great combat sport athletes Would come out of Australia Yeah, exactly right Especially Prison colony Well, now, yeah I mean, that's really what you guys started off as Exactly right, yeah You know? Especially, you know Well, as you were saying You know, obviously me being

13:20Been looking like this since I You know, since a young age Like, yeah, obviously you're gonna I'm not the type to brag that You know, I get into fights And all that sort of stuff But when I was younger That would happen And so I've always Been known to fight And been able to fight Type of thing I've always had to Sort of defend myself Never been the one to start it But, yeah There was times where I had to finish it But, you know So it's just always something That I guess I've had in me So, I mean, Australia You guys have John Wayne Parr Jeff Fennich You guys have had some Great combat sports athletes Come out of Yeah Well, that's now It's UFC so big in Australia So we've always had As you're saying Very talented guys You know, we've got a lot of Very good athletes over there But they were always in your rugby leagues And AFL or whatever it is Now UFC and MMA Is getting so big That, you know We're getting these athletes

14:08Starting to, you know Train MMA And you're only gonna see it Grow even more And we're gonna get a lot More champions from our From our region I believe Oh, I'm sure Have you ever trained With John Wayne Parr? I haven't I've met him I've met him at a UFC event I think that's the only time I've ever met him To be honest He's actually gotta get A hip replacement His hip's so fucked up From all his years of kickboxing His last fight He retired on his last fight Which is a boxing match Yeah Mundine So that was a Yeah, blowout Like, you know Mundine can actually Box really well To go And he's achieved a lot John Wayne Parr's A fucking savage Oh yeah He's a straight up savage I mean, that guy's I mean, he's been fighting Muay Thai since he was A teenager Yeah You know Spent a lot of time in Thailand I think I watched him actually This was a long time ago This was when my My cousin was a Kickboxer And I went and watched him Like this was

14:57I was very young Oh wow And I'm pretty sure It was John Wayne Parr That was I need to actually hit him up I need to hit up my cousin And be like Was he Was John Wayne Parr The main event of that Because I remember watching I'll connect you and John Wayne If you'd like Yeah Yeah, alright Yeah, I appreciate that Yeah Sweet, for sure But again, like I've always been a fan of him too Like when I got a little bit older You know But yeah, again Like it's something that I've always Been fascinated about All combat sports So you decided to make the leap Was it The rugby season was over And you're like You know what I'm done Yeah Well I was While I was fighting Again, my last year I had a couple of fights How many fights did you have Before you quit? I think I had two I think I had two fights And that was enough? Yeah, I think so You know I'm a pretty competitive type of guy And the fact that You know I wasn't at the highest level

15:44In rugby league yet You know I was 22 And you know At that age Usually You know If you're not In You know Not NRL That's the highest If you're not in the NRL By like 22 You pretty much You ain't getting in Like sort of Sort of like that And that's how I was And again I'm competitive So I was like I don't know if I'm going to make it Even though I was pretty good You know Made a lot of rep sides And stuff like that But I was just Nah You know I'm going to take this on I reckon I can go the whole way And again I've already pictured myself Winning world titles And stuff like this And I even told people Like before I even started That I'm going to be UFC champion one time And they're probably thinking Where are you even getting this You know I'm sure a lot of people say that But I'm actually going to do it A lot of people have said it Yeah exactly To actually go out there And do it though It's pretty cool It's pretty amazing

16:28Because I remember even Having conversations With like friends And watching the UFC Again I wasn't even training And I remember saying I would have sounded cocky To be honest The way it would have come out But I'm like I reckon I can do it I reckon I can do it How many fights have you had total? 20 and 1 20 and 1 21 21 and 1? 20 and 1 I don't even know We're 20 and 1 I think When did you have your first loss? That was my third fight Or fourth fight Oh so it was right after You decided to go pro I mean right after you decided To make that your life Oh no it was actually Because I had two amateur fights Oh okay No that went before When I started So the amateur fights Were when you were doing rugby Yes So I had four amateur fights Then went pro So I didn't have the That was against At the time Corey Nelson His name A little shout out For Corey Nelson But he was He was pound for pound Number one Obviously it was that Welterweight this was

17:16And it was very early In my career And I should not have Took that fight But we won a tournament And I had him first So I had the favourite Straight up And again It was in a division I probably should never Have been in But I took him on And I don't know I held my own But things didn't go well But that was We always talk about That really Things really It went a lot better For me after that Because I realised That he was too strong So I thought I have to go down Or I have to start grappling As well So that's when I actually Started grappling After that My coach was like Alright You got controlled A bit too much in there Let's just do jiu-jitsu For the next Three, four months Or whatever it is Just straight jiu-jitsu I had a jiu-jitsu comp And you know I was just there Again That's when I started Dieting as well But I remember doing That jiu-jitsu comp And I was on the podium I ended up getting the gold So I was on the first podium

18:03They're on the second And third And they're still taller than me So these You know what I mean So these are the guys That you know I'm so familiar That's why now I fight at featherweight And I really do look at these Even though they still Tower over me Because I'm still short In my division But I look at them And they're like You know I'm used to footy players Big front rowers Right You know props And fighting middleweight And all these Different divisions That you know I look at these You know Featherweights I'm just like They're puny Compared to what I'm used to But That does make sense though I mean You fighting at 170 Is crazy I mean that's 25 pounds heavier Than what you're fighting at now And that was at pro And again Fighting the top guys So I fought at Anton Zafir before that And he was a UFC Fighter as well In you know Welterweight So what did you do To drop the weight down And what do you walk around at? Now I walk around

18:47I'm a bit heavy After Because I obviously Broke my hand And stuff like that But You broke the hand In the max fight? Yes I did Yeah I broke that in the max fight Which round? I'm not too sure I remember feeling it And throwing it And being like Oh that hurt I think From watching back the tape I wanted to watch back And see where I noticed it I noticed in the fifth round That's where I think it happened Because you start seeing me Obviously on the offense I was only using my left hand And stuff like that Obviously if he comes at me as well In the heat of the moment I'd throw it You know So that's Right But So I think it was Early in the fifth round I think So you were Walking around at now Yeah I'm about 78 kilograms So what's that? That's over 170 So what's that 170 something I guess Jesus Christ That's heavy I'm usually around Yeah maybe A couple kilos Less than that usually But the way it comes off I hold a lot of water 65-ish

19:41Yeah I guess you could say that But yeah I took holidays I went hard in it Wow You should celebrate man That's it One time in your whole life You get to be champ For the first time Yeah exactly right Exactly right This is your time But again I didn't Having the broken hand I want to train I'm the type of I try and be I'm a professional So I'll do what I can I'm still doing As many things as I could In a strength condition Building them legs Being able to just throw You know a shitload Of left hooks and jabs So I should have a good Left hook and jab Come next fight So I got to work a lot on that Well that's great Now when you decided To diet down You were even heavier Than you are now What did you do To get your weight down From 214 To a manageable weight Where you could make Featherweight Yeah it's Obviously dieting Is just absolute key You know what I mean Even now Like even when I train so hard If you're not dieting well

20:33The weight won't come off So that's how But you know Starting early Again I didn't know much I don't know what I know now Having dietitians and that I was never doing that So I just literally Ate next to nothing And I'd train Like I told you I was playing rugby league I was fighting Training And then concrete And when I was Getting close to fights I was eating next to nothing Jesus Yeah When I say nothing Did you get sick a lot? Yeah 100% Staff infections all the time And all that It's crucial Like diet You know Obviously there's science To it all And where now It's an absolute game changer So I just Yeah pretty much Lost my weight that way So I used to be A little bit You know bigger Obviously From eating like that as well You know You lose muscle You lose You know You're probably losing strength And everything like that Obviously You lose health Yeah exactly right So you know It probably makes me Make 145 a bit easier now

21:26But because I don't have As much muscle as I did But again It wasn't healthy And it put me in Again I had to miss out Fights from bad Staff infections And you know MRSA And you know All that Oh you got MRSA Yeah Jesus Christ Yeah Mercer scares the shit Out of me Yeah That's terrifying It rattles you How long did it get you In there for? What's that story? How long were you In the hospital for that? I was Yeah I was in the hospital The first day But then they just had a nurse That come to your house Every morning and night To give you everything Jesus So it was pretty full on And then obviously You know about When I got Well I got cellulitis After the Brazil fight With Aldo Well cellulitis Is a form of staff Yeah Yep Yep So that got in my leg So it was I was a rattle man So it was crazy Like we always talk about How you know MMA Is such a rollercoaster ride You know what I mean So many highs and lows And that's a perfect example You know

22:16You go over to Brazil And then beat You know One of the greatest Furtherweights of all time And then you get put in hospital And I was there for like a week You know In Brazil No that was in Chile So I was on my way home Where it just absolutely rocked me And I was struggling I was really struggling I really was It was a You know I had like 40 plus degree Temperatures And all that 40 plus Celsius Yes Yeah yeah Sorry yeah And Translate that We should all just Why the fuck don't we just go The rest of the world Is on the cellular system Yeah Yeah That's what I'm trying to get Today I was like even Wearing the clothes I ended up dressing up I was like What is 40 Celsius What is that Let's guess I'm gonna say 104 Yeah That's a high one Yeah So like 101 102 Because whenever my Canadian friends say Oh it's 40 degrees out I'm like What the fuck does that mean That's cold as shit Get on Was it Really Oh good stuff There you go

23:12I'm pretty happy with myself But kilos Between kilos and Celsius I have no idea What I'm talking about Yeah well I gotta I'm trying to keep up with that Because obviously Every time I'm alright now I always say 145 You know Every time I'm like 145 champ You know So I'm 214 When I'm talking about that But again my Aussie accent Everyone gets that wrong I think it was just me Yeah right here I think I fucked it up It's funny You know you always go On your social media And there's always Like these things Like you know They just roll on With like certain things Like you know Whenever I'm posted Everyone will try and say I'm a New Zealander And like they just start Like banter Like that And like everyone's Into each other on there But there was one that The same as Oh yeah I got told that he was 240 And it's like They're just sort of Trying to quote you And they're like And just keeps growing And growing and growing So it started off

23:57Even when you say 240 I can't distinguish that Between 240 and 214 That accent Yeah 214 It's a cool fucking accent though Australian's a straight up Cool accent Australian and New Zealand Those are both Very cool accents Some accents Are just ridiculous They need to stop But you guys You got a cool accent I appreciate that Thank you New Zealand's a dope Place to be too man I want to go visit there Just the beauty of it all Man So green Man I love that type of stuff I'm all about You know The landscapes And all that type of stuff But I'm never actually Every time I'm in New Zealand I'm in Auckland In the city there Just training That's it So I never actually Get to go see the place I did for the last event Where the boys fought In Auckland The Dan Hooker Paul Felder fight Yep So I was there Great fight Yeah it was Yeah that was unreal What a fight Yeah man That was good Good fight For sure And I was there Because I was at a wedding

24:49The night before So yeah The night before And that was Like five hours north So I had to drive Five hours I remember In Australia And that Like the UFC's In the morning So I had to get up Like three in the morning Three third in the morning And drive all the way there To watch the fight So while I was there For the wedding I got to see a bit more You know I went fishing And stuff like that So I love all of that Beautiful trout fishing In New Zealand Yeah Supposed to be some of the best In the world Yeah yeah Some beautiful spots up there So it was a good drive At least it was a good drive On the way back down The word is In New Zealand When it's really good Is during mice season Mice season? Yes Okay Ready for this? Yeah So something happens Where there's more seeds And when there's more seeds There's more mice And when there's more mice The mice get into the water And when the mice get into the water The trout eat the mice

25:35And so they catch These enormous trout That have just dozens of mice In their bellies Yeah Mate You know all these Sort of like I know weird shit Yeah man I don't know why I know so much weird shit That's good though It's good I know a lot This is actually Shout out to Jay Scott Listen to the Jay Scott Outdoors podcast Where he's talking to It's a hunting and fishing podcast Where they were talking about They were talking to a guy Who's a guide in New Zealand Oh okay And they were talking about You know like When's the best time To go over there But they just have An enormous brown trout All right Over in New Zealand Yeah I've never done Trout fishing though I've done a lot of fishing But I've never done Like the freshwater fishing That's fun Yeah They do fly fishing too Which is a little bit More skillful Okay yeah I wouldn't mind giving that Giving that I thought I could fish Last time I went fishing I went there

26:25And we would try to get kings And we had to What do you call it Like when you're King salmon Yeah like that You've got to reel it in And like pull it up Oh jigging Yeah jigging I was useless at that Like I thought I'm pretty coordinated But I just couldn't do it I couldn't get it right I didn't know what it was But I thought I could fish But you know Maybe little You know small fishing That I'm alright with But the big fish I need to work on that Well it's a skill Like anything else And fishing is The guys are really good at it They're consistently good at it It's not an accident Yeah I do a lot more spear fishing Do you? Yes That looks fun Yeah Yeah that's a You know again As you know Under the water It's just a whole other world Yeah You know what I mean So it's unreal It really is And I love it So I go with a mate And he's like a professional Spear fisherman And you know He's an abalone diver He does all that

27:11So he takes me to pretty crazy places Like in the middle of the ocean Just where there's a buoy You know like a I don't know what you would call it Here Just a you know a chain And there's like a You know a floaty buoy We call him And they're just there And then we'll go there Fish off there And like go for like dolphin fish And stuff like that Yeah You literally just see a chain That goes down to And it just disappears It's pretty scary When you know what I mean You're out there And sometimes you're on your way And you'll see a shark On the way over there And then you've got to jump in And you're like far out Yeah I've had friends That were hunters That got into spearfishing They say It's basically like hunting Yeah But you're hunting underwater You know Yeah And also the element Of holding your breath Yeah exactly And so there's an athletic element to it Yeah And then the fucking predators Underwater They're way scarier

27:55Than predators on land Because you can't get away There's not a goddamn thing you can do It's not our world You know what I mean It's not our world at all It's unreal So I get to watch him Like you know My mate Jack Lavender A little shout out to him as well So I get to go down there And watch He can hold his breath for forever Like five minutes He'll be down there And like sometimes When it's murky He'll go down And he'll just disappear And I start getting nervous So I'm like Oh now I feel like I'm by myself You know what I mean And then you'll just You'll hear a So you'll hear that Oh yeah And then he'll just come up I'm like where is he And I'll see him come up Like a hundred meters away And stuff like that But you know It's unreal It really is It's something that I think you should Have you So you haven't done it Never No I haven't done it I need to get in there Yeah My friend Bert just got back We've had Valentine Thomas

28:39On the podcast before And she does it Basically professionally Oh okay Yeah She's always spearfishing And her whole Instagram Pull up her Instagram Her Instagram is all Like her spearfishing She was a lawyer She was training to be a lawyer In Montreal Okay yeah And she was like What the fuck am I doing Like I don't want to do this So now you know Against her family's wishes She's out there Spearfishing Jacking tuna and shit Alright yeah That's cool But yeah her Yeah this is Oh there you go Yeah All of her Instagram Is all dedicated to Her catching wild fish Oh far out And she's hot She spear that That helps Yeah Looks like she did Yeah Man Matt's trying to pull that Still got the fucking spear in it Holy shit Yeah yeah When did she get that Far out God damn That's huge Is that a swordfish Or a marlin That's a marlin Looks like a marlin Yeah Yeah How do you even How does that even work You know I don't know I mean What Yeah Pull that

29:37Pull the trigger Pull the trigger And then just Lock your spear gun To the boat Or something like that I mean that's Some serious line On that thing How do you even Get close to that I caught one marlin Once It was a small marlin And it was like 70 pounds And it was so hard To pull in It was It's kind of a fucked up story It was with my My oldest daughter And she was I want to say She was 12 at the time Or 13 And she was a vegetarian Because she loves animals And I'm like Let's go catch a fish It'll be great You know You'll catch a fish And you eat it Because she had like Started eating Like a little bit of meat Yep So I take her We catch a marlin Five minutes into the trip They pull it on board Beat it to death With a club Right in front of her She's like And it's big Right Like the size of a dog Right And they're beating This thing with clubs You see the look At her poor face She was like Oh We'll come back to the It didn't die quick either

30:28It kept making noises It'd flop around Every now and then It would like Come back to life A little bit And flop around Did she go back to Vegetarian after that No She eats meat Oh okay It was a bit traumatic Yeah I could imagine To put it lightly Yeah But I love fishing man It's just one of my Favorite things to do I love it Yeah well watch Because I get into the I do a bit of hunting And stuff myself So I've watched A meat eater I've watched A meat eater A couple of times Yeah that's cool Do you hunt in Australia? Yeah yeah yeah Australia's a great place To hunt Yeah Shout out to my friend Adam Greentree Yeah yeah I've watched a bit of him Yeah That's his skull Oh there you go That came from Australia Alright oh wow Yeah okay Asiatic water buffalo Dangerous motherfuckers Oh yeah they're big Far out I've never done like that Top of them They've been right up there He'll take you Don't go If he offers Don't do it Yeah I don't know man

31:17You guys drag me out there There's nothing but Mosquitoes Exactly Mosquitoes and crocodiles They drank water That they filtered out It still tasted like Buffalo piss Yeah Because the buffalo's Piss in this water And all you do Is just filter it Like fuck you Well actually it's funny You say that Because I wanted to You know I gave you That kangaroo hat Yeah Oh is it there Okay There was a Oh there we go Cheers Is there a right way To wear it I think this part's On the front right Yeah I'd say so I don't know actually Come on how good Does that look There you go I belong over there I fit right in If I didn't live In North America Australia's where I'd live Yeah Yeah I love it there I don't go there very much Because the fucking flight's Too long Oh right yeah You need to fix that So How do we fix that So what was I say I was going to actually Get you They even had Crocodile belts And stuff like that But I wanted to actually Get you a knife

32:11A custom made one With luck And I was going to get Like maybe crocodile skin But I just ran out of time Well thank you Next time Next time Hey thank you very much For the hat Look at all these Fucking crocodiles Oh shit I watched that Actually watched that video Yeah look at this Man Fuck you Adam Green Tree This is probably in Australia Oh shit They're the Everglades I don't know but What I mean I couldn't find out No those are crocodiles bro That's not alligators If you look at their snouts They're long and thin Crocodiles have a long Thin snout Whereas alligators Have like a blunt snout I mean I could be wrong But I don't think I am I only think that Yeah those are crocodiles bro And the fact where You could be going past Little ponds Or not even just A little puddle And there'll be a big croc Laying in it And stuff like that This is so ridiculous That's so ridiculous This is scary Yeah Hold my beer While I go for a boat ride So many

33:03It's so many I mean that's insane That doesn't even make sense I don't know where that is Maybe that's Africa But if it's Australia Fuck you Adam Green Tree Yeah man I don't think I don't think I could do that That'll be The snakes and all that When I was younger I used to be Pretty wild You know what I mean Like I'll do anything You know I'm not one Give me on a snowboard I'll try to backflip Off a cliff And you know Cliff jumping And I'll do it all Like I was silly But now that Obviously I can't afford To get injured And having kids Having kids That really Really does throw you off Doing some of that Sort of stuff So now I'll be way Too scared up there I wouldn't be able to do it You shouldn't We need you You're very important You're very important So your position now Where you are The UFC champion What is next Is it a rematch With Max Holloway Look we're Right now we don't Really have anything Locked in Obviously I think

33:51They were waiting For clearances And stuff like that Is the hand clear now Yeah How many months ago Was the fight now When was that It was December 15th So yeah A few months So it's a I just had like My first like Wrestling sessions And grappling sessions It held up well So you know I told my doc that And you know He's happy to They're more than happy For the June Obviously there's a Perf card in June And yeah So that's something that You know Do you have a pin in there Or anything I've got a couple of screws Yeah So I've got a couple of Screws in there And done a bit of Ligament damage as well We don't know if that was Before the fight Or during the fight But you know Again I'm back into training And it doesn't take me Long to get fit And I try to do Again I'm professional I try to keep training But nothing's locked in Nothing's locked in We haven't even really Had that conversation yet But all You know Everything's pointing to

34:40You know Perf And even Max being The rematch You know That's what Dana White Keeps bringing up But we haven't had That conversation I think for The division And for me I think that That probably is still The biggest fight It's a big fight Yeah you got what I mean It's a big fight There's nothing else That makes sense In the horizon That's the thing You know what I mean We've got so many Ortega is gonna fight Korean Zombie And I don't know What the fuck Happened this weekend Were you there When he smacked Jay Park I just missed that So I knew that That could have happened Because when When yeah Korean Zombie Done the interview Like where Where they had the translator Where all that sort of happened I was like watching it So I knew I knew what happened And Ortega said That he was gonna slap him Like he actually said this He was going I'm gonna slap you When I see you Or something like that Why was he saying that? Because Jay Park

35:28Was translating For Korean Zombie And supposedly He said things That you know Insulted Ortega And Ortega didn't like it So he said he was gonna But did he say things Or did he translate The things? Yeah that's what A lot of people are saying But I think You know He didn't translate fully And then he just sort of Had his opinion as well Like so Maybe So I think You know Jay Park Might have just said That he was ducking Ducking zombie When he got injured How you know They were meant to fight And that happened So I think He said that himself As in I don't know It was weird So I was away though So I wasn't away I was backstage With Easy You know So we go out there And you know Watch the boys And then we all Huddle up and do our thing And then I went back And then it just happened So it was Joe My coach ends up Telling me He's like going Oh there was a fight Just there And he didn't really Know who it was But And then I got told

36:16By a couple of people And then I'm like Oh man I bet you it was at That Jay Park Because I didn't know He was there You can't do that Yeah I know You can't smack He's a tiny little guy Yeah You can't smack that guy Even if you want to I mean if you want to Point at him And get in his face And make him nervous That's fine Yeah exactly But you're a goddamn Professional killer Yeah exactly You know I mean Brian Ortega Is a killer You can't be smacking Some guy who's a rapper Yeah that's it Well if he wanted To get that fight again I think it worked Because there's zombies Well he was getting That fight again anyway Wasn't he Wasn't it scheduled I don't know if that was I don't know if that Because it was scheduled And then it didn't happen Ortega's gone through A series of pretty Significant injuries They just keep happening I heard I heard him And Zabit as well I don't know if that's happened So I don't know But Oh that is what I heard

37:04That's right You're right It was Calvin Cater Jeremy Stevens And Zabit And Ortega Okay Those are the things That I heard But After Chan Sung Jung Knocked out Frankie Edgar Who knows I mean maybe they would Make that fight now But I don't want to Reward people For smacking people You know what I mean I mean they shouldn't Make a fight Just because he smacked Jay Park Yeah I'm hearing you So that's Again like when you're Talking about the division And like what's next For me I was While I was injured I thought There's so many people That are probably One fight away From a title shot I believe You know what I mean You've got your Ortega's Zabit You know Korean Zombie You know Yeah I think any of them Fight each other And win I think they're Clear number one I think you know what I mean Obviously people are going to Always say you know Max deserves that Immediate rematch And things like that And I understand that But I mean I think

37:55They could have had a You know A case there To actually But no one did anything So right now You know I'm not I'm not going to wait around Especially when there's Aussie card You know And I think they've been Talking to Max I don't even know Again we haven't even Had that conversation I just do my thing I let my team do Do theirs And I just do my thing But nothing's happened yet It's a hot division I mean that division Is hot You know Just like Calvin Cater Who's another guy Who's on the up That's a dangerous guy There's so much talent In that division Yeah It's an amazing division Really Yeah 145 is one of the If you look at Stack divisions One of the most Stack divisions in the sport Yeah I think so I think so for sure So a lot of killers In there And now they've all Got their eyes on me So Well I was so impressed With the fight You fought against Max Because To fight your style For five rounds You have to be In tremendous shape

38:47Because you have Such an explosive style Your style is so Movement Leg kick heavy And then power shots I mean you're throwing So many power punches Like just your sheer output And you're not touching people You're smashing You know I mean It's like It's a very It's a very difficult style To maintain for five rounds Yeah Well it is But you know Again I've always been A hard worker And we train hard We definitely train Yeah We all Putting out I don't know if you've ever We call a workout We do the We call it spider It was named after someone But yeah spider So it's just literally Fight gone bad And it's just the hardest Whatever you're fighting If it's a three rounder You'll do the three rounds If it's a five rounder You do the five rounder It's like the hardest Five minute rounds That you can think of And like they just put you You versus everyone Like the atmosphere Is absolutely crazy And like If you'd just seen the workout

39:42You'd be like wow You know Okay that explains why he's fit You know what I mean It's crazy It really is So we put the hard yards in And you know Obviously to have a style Like that Like you said You know You've got to put the work in But again As you were saying Like you know Obviously They're not just touching Like there's a lot of big shots But you know I always try and break the rhythm So a lot of times I am You know There will be a couple of touches And then a couple of send them Right through And I just try and mix it up Really well And I think that worked Really well with Max Obviously it gets real deep But I won't get a Dude there might be a rematch So I can't give too much away What was the Well you could give away this What was the game plan Coming into that fight And was anything unusual for you Like when you actually Wound up fighting Max Was there anything Once you were actually In the octagon with him

40:24Was there anything unusual Not Like everything Pretty much went to How we thought It was going to go So he made adjustments During that fight We both were adjusting So you know I don't know if many people Would have seen it But even when it come to Just the way Like you know I would go And then he would try and counter And then he would be like Pretend to counter Then pull back Then counter You know what I mean We were sort of Just having these little battles But always leg kicks Were going to be a big part Not just to hurt his leg But just to really break his rhythm And you know And make him You know obviously He loves that jab And he stays pretty heavy On that front leg Yes And whether that's You know making him Adjust you know His stance And just putting him In a position That he's not comfortable And he's been Fighting forever In this style And it's been so effective For him So you know Him even being A couple of inches back

41:11You know So he's not so heavy On that front leg That just throws His whole rhythm up You know what I mean And that's why A lot of people It's funny A lot of people Are going to go He's going to make adjustments And he's going to Check the kicks And all that But you've got to remember He's a volume fighter If he starts adjusting So much You know what I mean Starts worrying about all that Then he can't stick to a game That's been so successful For himself So I don't know I'm expecting the same thing I'm expecting to Go out there and do my thing But again We'll mix it up But I can't give too much away Right You saw some adjustments Where he switched to southpaw Did you guys anticipate that as well Yeah Yeah We anticipated that So that was Again You're going to hit Smack the leg that many times I'm sure But again It was just Even though He does switch stances a lot So we were ready for that But I mean For him to actually Do the whole round

41:55In southpaw I think that was The third round Or later in the second He sort of switched But in the third He was like southpaw For a while And that was probably My biggest round That's where he copped a lot So then he tried to come back To orthodox But you know I just again I'm so good at playing What's in front of me So he did make adjustments And I adjusted again And it's just Again I think that goes back To training with so many Different bodies And styles And you know what I mean No surprises Come fight time That's how I look at it Yeah I mean you guys have A crazy crazy team You really stop And think about it You know Dan Hooker Israel Adesanya And you just alone And I'm sure you guys Got a bunch of killers Coming up right Man I'm telling you There's some guys In you go there And you train And there's guys That do it as a hobby They just train there As a hobby And they could be In the UFC I'm sure It's a blowout There's always guys

42:42Like that There's always those guys In gyms You know In jiu jitsu There's always a guy Like why aren't you Competing You know Like you roll with them And they're like Elite black belts There's always these guys That just really love it But they don't feel like Doing it for a living Yeah man It's a blowout Like again I've trained with a lot of people And I'll go there And I'll have this guy That hasn't even had An amateur fight And he's giving me problems And you're like What's going on here You know what I mean But it's cool Again That's what makes A great gym Right I mean it's not just The main stars It's all the supporting Talent that you have In the gym as well Yeah Yeah Well that's again No one's Even in our gym You know We've got a couple of guys Even amateurs That fight You know We're all treated the same You know what I mean When it's fight time If they're doing that Spider workout Everyone's here You know Even when you're

43:29At City Kickboxing Or at our gym Like you know The champions Will still be there Supporting the other guys That are doing their spider You know what I mean So everyone's It's just one big Family sort of feel And like again We're obviously A freestyle fight And you But we've been welcomed As a part of the family And I think I think that's a big part Of you know Why they're so successful As well Just that sort of Team camaraderie You know what I mean For sure Yeah man When you see it When one of you guys fights Everyone's there to support It's a big factor Yeah Yeah definitely So yeah again You know I mean I just think Obviously it's working well We're doing good things And I think therefore Yeah City Kickboxing 4-0 at the moment And we'll just keep Getting them wins up What did you think About Adesanya Versus Yo Romero Yeah it's a tricky one You know what I mean So obviously A lot of people You know Are knocking it And obviously

44:19It wasn't the most You know It wasn't so many Exchanges and stuff like But I guess You've got to Look at why that happened And I think Yo you know Obviously he was just Standing there Waiting for For Izzy to come in Every time You know Izzy did commit to something He just come out Like he literally Was down to wait Till you come in And I'm just going to Throw bombs Obviously Izzy knows that So he's trying to touch him Trying to get him to react And you know You know Waiting for him to explode And things that just didn't happen So it was It's just a tricky one man That's why a lot of people Are going to say whatever But you're never in there You don't really know What it feels like Till you're actually in there And someone like Romero He can take your head off Like that You know what I mean Yeah I didn't like the criticism There's not much else Adesanya could have done And Yoel Like I mean I guess he's He's selling

45:05That Izzy didn't do anything That he wouldn't fight him Man to man But that's not true Yeah Because he didn't come forward Yeah Like he's He's selling as if He was chasing Izzy And Izzy wasn't doing anything But that's not what happened Like Izzy was trying To get him to engage And he didn't want to engage He was literally standing there At the beginning of the fight Standing still Which is kind of crazy It was like a solid minute Or something or more Standing still And then he would switch stances A little bit Choop choop Yep Stand still Choop choop Couple little But he's lulling you to sleep And you saw that when he He did land a couple Good left hands Yep When Izzy did try to connect When he did try to get close Bought into it a little bit And Yoel threw that Fucking left hand Yeah It's crazy how fast that guy is Yeah man So again When you're just You can sense that As soon as I do commit to anything He's just going to come

45:57Guns blazing So obviously You know Fair enough Obviously there's going to be A lot more opportunities If he started trying to do stuff As well But the fact that he'd done Nothing till he was just Ready to explode It makes things How it is You know what I mean Again if you want to fight smart If you're trying to fight smart As well And he should fight smart And I think he did fight smart I think he did I mean this is what Fighting is all about Some fights like Zhang Weili He and Joani on Jacek Is super super exciting But that's styles Those styles matched up I mean not every fight Is super exciting Robert Whittaker Fought Yoel In a very exciting way But I mean That's a bad way To fight with that guy Yeah Yoel's a fucking beast Man Even just Even just hitting him Even like I reckon he's He throwing the leg kicks Obviously that would have been Hurting Romero But it's probably hurting yourself Kicking him You know what I mean

46:48He's just solid rock He's a solid dude You can imagine Frowning stuff And hitting just a brick Well that's what Rockhold said He said every time he hit him It hurt him Well there you go I mean it's just He's a freak man And the fact that he's 42 It's like what in the fuck man Crazy Yeah Absolutely crazy I really felt like That was how Izzy had to fight him I really didn't think That he could fight him Any other way I mean I expected that Use his length Use his reach Use his attributes Stay on the outside Use the He's a higher level kickboxer Use that You know Yeah And try to lure him into You know attacking And counter those Those attacks But it's one of those things Where it's like If you see like When Tyron Woodley Fought Wonderboy Kind of the same thing A lot of people were saying Oh those are boring fights Well that's how you have to fight that guy Yeah exactly That's how you fight him You wait on him And you gotta remember

47:38You know what I mean Like obviously Oh let's just go out there And let's just be You know really exciting But you lose Everyone forgets about you Everyone forgets about you You know what I mean So you gotta have that Sort of Especially if you're champion You gotta fight the fight That's gonna get you to win And you only have so many holes That can get punched in your card Right Those punch holes are valuable And you let yourself get cracked When you didn't have to There's no need for that Yeah You should always fight smart It's dangerous enough To fight smart Hit and not get hit You know Yeah That's such a You know That's how I believe as well You know That's why It's just styles It's just styles The way styles match up Like here's another example Paulo Costa Paulo Costa and him That stylistically Is gonna be fucking crazy Cause that guy That guy fought Romero The way Romero Wanted someone to fight him And he still fucked him up

48:25Yeah Didn't fuck him up I shouldn't say that He still won And even whether or not he won Was you know Close Yeah It was close Very close fight Some people saw it the other way But I mean He hit Romero With everything but the kitchen sink There's a picture That I put on my Instagram Of him head kicking Romero I mean it's I think I remember that Fucking clean Yeah man And Costa's a knockout artist And he's He's shinning him Right upside the head And like Doesn't even budge He's not even moving Yeah Well Romero has a huge scar Down the back of his neck And I think His neck is fused And I think that's part of One of the reasons Why he kind of moves funny Okay yeah Yeah Like look at this Look at this photo Oh yeah I mean bro It even looks like He's went into that as well Oh I mean It looks like he's Ducking into it He's catching it Right in the face And nothing happened That's a big dude Kicking you in the head too His neck There's a big scar

49:25It's really big I've never seen A neck surgery scar That's that large And it's He said He almost died You know He said he had Some sort of Serious neck injury And you know I mean When you're a silver medalist In the Olympics In the Cuban national team The fucking wrestling practices Those guys must have And the wrestling Actual matches That he's had I'm sure The wear and tear On the body Is unbelievable Oh 100% I reckon it's one Like wrestling Is going to be One of the hardest sports It's one of the hardest In the man By far Like you know You obviously do an MMA You've got to do a lot of wrestling And just seeing them scramble Like there's nothing like a scramble And to see the scrambles They have to train for Yes Like imagine the training You've got to do To be able to Just do a two minute scramble Or something like that It's just Man it's crazy Yeah And the test of wills And they're like They relish in being uncomfortable You know

50:17In a lot of ways Exactly right They enjoy it They like being really fucked up And uncomfortable Well that's That's a big part of how You know You've got to be comfortable When things get uncomfortable You know Could have worded that better But that's something That I'm all about You know I put myself in Uncomfortable positions In the gym You know Day in day out Or you know Obviously Obviously you're going to have structure To how you train in a week But I put myself there And then How do you adapt to that How do you You know How do you sort of Go from there So that's what Again with that spider workout That's what you're meant to do You are going to go to breaking point Right Like we put you there And I'll be in that position But are you going to shy away from it Or are you just going to get up And just do whatever you can It might not be the best Because you literally can't move Right But it's how do you adapt

51:00To that sort of position Of being in such an uncomfortable position So you know If it gets there That you know You're always going to be able to At least push yourself At least get you to that Whatever you need to do to win That's where a great team And a great coach comes in handy That's where it really comes into play Because a fighter You know Especially some fighters They want to be the hammer all the time They don't want to be the nail Yeah They don't They want to be dominating in practice They don't want to feel like You know They're getting smothered and swarmed And they don't want to fuck with their confidence But you have to trust in that process You have to And there's many Many fighters who don't They don't They train with guys Who are not as good as them And everything goes great Until it doesn't go great Yep And then they're not used to that position Exactly right So I think I've I've always done that

51:46I've always been Even from the first day of Doing MMA You know what I mean I'm the type of person When you're always doing that When you're always Like Putting yourself in uncomfortable positions And then you know You always got to figure ways out Yeah So if I'm Versus in heavyweights Because that's the type of guy I'll train with heavyweights And you'll be losing But you know You can just sit there and accept that Or I'm going to find a way to get up And you're constantly doing that Over the 10 years you're training You know That's where a lot of people are like You know How the hell are you so fit And all that sort of stuff I think it's just through So many years Of putting myself in uncomfortable positions That When training does get tough I'm still going to go I'm still going to push myself You know what I mean I'm not going to shy away from it And it'll make me You know Who I am today Yeah I mean

52:27I just think there's such a value Such a value In being able to deal with uncomfortable positions Yeah And that's I mean there's a lot of really talented Really really good guys Who don't do that But I think If the shit gets ugly You're used to it Well you see it You see it in a lot of fights Where people Obviously get uncomfortable And they just It goes downhill for them Yeah You see people mentally break Yeah It's such a crazy sport man Yeah it definitely is Do you have a mental coach? I don't I actually don't have a mental coach I think it's something That I could definitely invest in And look into Because again This is As they say You know There's so much mental in this And it really is Physically and mentally Draining So it's But I think I'm I'm really good in them situations To be quite honest You know what I mean But obviously I can be better Right I don't get like Nervous before fights at all Really? I get more nervous

53:27When my teammates are fighting And all that I'll get nervous But when I'm fighting I'm me I really am I'm just I'm sweet I'm having a laugh I'm You know With the coaches And the boys And you know We even have Like people that work With the UFC And be like With my max fight And they're like Do you realise You're about to fight For a world title? I'm like Yeah yeah You're all good Like you know what I mean That's just how I am I'm pretty chill in their positions It was an actual funny story I'm not really funny But it was Cool It was something He actually mentioned It was Bisping So I ended up doing Had a chat with him And I had pink headphones So that's Like I had to wear them Like when I'd done Like an interview with him And so while I was there Waiting to walk out He needed to go to the toilet In between You know A break in between the fights And he stopped And he was like Oh I felt a bit awkward Because he's thinking

54:10Oh I'm ruining this guy's mojo He's about to you know Walk out And I'm like Oh you're all good Go to the toilet And he starts going And they're still trying To stay out of my way I'm like Oh no pink headphones I'm just having a little laugh And he just had a laugh back And I remember on his podcast He was talking about How you know Like just the fact that I was able to be so chill And I'm about to walk out From my total fight And that's just who I am I just adapt to Every situation I feel like I'm pretty good In these situations So I don't know if I need one But I think I should Still invest in mine It's probably a good idea Just to have one Just to take it to another level Exactly right You know what I am Exactly right I think you can Because I feel like I can do alright But maybe There's so many things That we don't know Yeah And I think that That could help A lot You know So I'll look into that Look into it I'll look into it

54:55Were you like that Look at his shirt I looked into it Oh look at that Yes I did that on purpose Were you Were you like that In your first couple fights Nah I wouldn't say I was You know I think Again Like I'm When I was fighting I would always try And keep myself level You know I'm always doing that No matter where I'm going In the interviews Or whatever it is You know Say if I'm Yeah about a fight I'm just like Relax Relax Don't let it Like you know Don't let it take over You know The nerves Or whatever it is Or the anger Or whatever You know Some people get hyped up I don't want to get I want to be level headed I've got a game plan To stick to So I've always done that And because I've always Done that in my fights And in all situations I really am Like level Like when I fight So sometimes It was hard for me To realise I won a world title Because I'm so used To keeping myself So composed That it was like It didn't happen I won the world title

55:48There's a video of me Backstage And I'm like Looking at the I'm like far out Like it's You know what I mean Like I You know what I mean I'm going I even say something like that I'm like going You're the fucking champ Like wake up You know what I mean Like it's crazy Be excited Yeah exactly Like you know I'm just in there Still walking around Just like nothing happens That's probably a good way to be It is It does help me in my fights It really does And that's how you can Stick to a game plan When you're so composed And level headed in there So I believe it It works for me But yeah again I wish I could Be more excited About being a champ though Maybe it's not a bad thing I mean Maybe it's great To keep this mindset Throughout your entire career Yeah for sure Maybe when you retire You can go Holy fuck What did I do Yeah I liked the Vegas trip That's what it was I was like What the hell did I do The last couple days That's a little different

56:38Yeah So you say you hunt Do you Is it wild game Is that a part of your diet Is that a big part of your diet Yeah yeah Obviously you know I like to eat that I love all that type of stuff And I've done it from a young age Like with my dad Like so we used to You know even go like Hunting like for goat And like pigs And stuff like that And you know We'll even get the spit going Like while we're over there Like we have to turn it With our hands Because we didn't Yeah like full Like all taken Yeah So yeah man I'm Yeah I don't To be honest When I'm in camp I don't I can't get out there And stuff like that But I'm all for it I love it I love it When I'm in camp There's a lot of places That will have this type of stuff But I'm always in fight camp You know what's hilarious Fight week If you get it If you're an American You get it at a restaurant It comes from New Zealand Oh really Yeah Isn't that nuts That's crazy Yeah Because they farm it

57:42They farm it Like you can't sell Wild game in America You can't sell it Oh okay Yeah That's one of the reasons Why it almost went extinct Elk Deer All these animals Almost went extinct At the turn of the century The 20th century Because they did What's called market hunting When there was no refrigerators Back then They just fucking shot everything And just served it to people And they didn't think about Conservation at all So they got White-tailed deer Down to like A really low number Elk were down to a really I mean they extirpated it From many many states Where it used to be A game animal In many many states It's not It's not there anymore Far out I think it's something crazy Like It's It's only in 10 to 20% Of its native range Where it used to be Far out But it's They're very healthy populations In those states now Colorado's very healthy Montana Wyoming Idaho Utah's where I go Every year It's delicious meat though Yeah That's somewhere

58:42Idaho Boise's in Idaho Isn't it Yeah Yeah Because I fought there And I wanted to Like go and explore Like because I knew It was a lot of big Big hunting over there So I was like I wanted to at least Go for a drive And see if I could see Any like You know deer Or elk Or whatever it was But I didn't get a chance I know Idaho's got grizzlies Oh grizzlies Yeah Oh I'll stay in the car If I was going to do that Big bears Yeah Idaho's got bears I have friends that hunt In Idaho And they get real nervous When they shoot something Oh okay Because they have wolves too Wolves and grizzlies I didn't forget that Yeah If you shoot And Wyoming does as well If you shoot an elk And so does Montana But if you shoot an elk In any of those states That have grizzlies It's very dangerous Because usually it takes A couple trips To pack it out Okay yeah So like If you shoot an elk An elk is you know Probably 800-900 pounds Oh yeah And you're not going to

59:29Carry it all out It's like you and your friend If you pack it out Unless you have Some four wheel drive Vehicle that can get back to it Or you have horses A lot of times They use horses Hunters use horses To pack out meat Like they'll have a whole Train of horses Like five or six horses And they'll take the pack You know Put all the meat Distributed evenly On the horses And get out of there In one trip Yeah Because if not Then you gotta go back That's a lot of meat Scent rolling around You gotta hope That motherfucker Doesn't smell it Because if they smell it They claim it I have a buddy of mine Who killed an elk And they came back To the carcass And it was buried Oh really Fucking that happened To Adam Greentree That had him Happen Didn't he say that On his I think he saved it On his Instagram page He shot an elk I wanna say It was buried Yes Grizzly came and buried it So that's what they do They dig a hole In their back They bury it

60:20They decide theirs Oh shit Well for them Digging a hole Ain't shit Yeah okay It's like us Crumpling up a piece of paper They just Covered this fucking Elk carcass Here it is Alright Where was he at Does it say Give me some volume On this Oh it's a moose Oh this is Alaska It's a blowout man Yeah Refresh this So we can hear All the words Is it a good idea To go back there Now that you know It's been back That's a terrible idea He's buried The whole moose Far out The whole moose is buried Is that your moose under there Yeah That's my moose under there Buried Yeah Might be shitting myself right now Oh mate Okay I don't like this You hear the other guy I don't like this Yeah See The other problem is That grass Look at the grass That grass is like Five feet high You can't even see The motherfucker If it's coming Yeah That's what's scary That thing could have been Thirty yards away Just watching them Walk up on the shit That's a pretty shitty position

61:30Yeah So he got most Of the meat out of there But the bear had taken some of it But they had to dig it up And Far out Yeah Mate that's scary Oh so scary At least Even crocodiles At least you sort of Know to sort of Stay away from the water Or something Exactly Yeah Well that's The problem is It had decided That that moose was his You know And they were all over Yeah They were all over It's a big fucking animal man Is that another video Is it two videos What's it say Them trying to get it out of there Man I would have already been gone Take the Take the Let's just go Oh you want that meat though Yeah Party's like Fuck Moose under here All the cut up meat That we've got Oh wait so they Oh I get you So they've already cut it all up And had it in bags So this is what I was saying Okay They cut it up And they were carrying it out Okay yeah One step at a time So So say if you and I Shot a moose And we were out there You know We both put like

62:32100 pounds on our back And we'd hike out And everything would be All the meat would be All the meat would be Already packed up And stuff Yes Okay I thought That would take a bit So they cut it They put it in these Game bags And then they let it sit there I've seen it a bit on Meat eaters Yeah exactly So when they went back It had all been buried Okay Fuck It's a scary situation To be in Yeah Obviously we've got A lot of snakes And all that So that's why A lot of people Like going Fuck Australia Go there It's weird Like you literally There are a lot of snakes And spiders And stuff like that But I've had Even that mate That I talked to you about The spear fisherman He's just He's like Steve Irwin He's just Everything Everything he does I've seen him Like run He was on like a swing Jumped off And then realised There was an octopus In the water Just goes there Jumps in Dives in Somehow Like just Don't even know How you catch it Goes in Boom

63:29Pulls this big octopus Out And just situations Like that man I've seen him Even other times With walking You see a lizard Jump in the water He's just dived in Like his head and arm Goes in Boom Pulls out this big lizard Just You know Just crazy things Like that He's just as connected To the wildlife So then Obviously with snakes And all that sort of stuff And he's catching the snakes Octopus will fuck you up too man They have that beak They scare me man They should They scare me Yeah Well they even just Them sticking to you I feel like Plus they're smart as shit Yeah They're real smart I've seen some mad videos of them But they only live Like a couple of years Oh really yeah Yeah I think an octopus Is life How long Jamie shaking his head It's like max two years Two years Average about a year Maybe average two That's what we looked at We've looked at it a couple times That's why they don't take over the world Man

64:14Because they're like two year old babies But they're fucking smart as shit man They figure out how to open up jars and shit They can spin jars I've watched them videos And when they They obviously know their size So they put a tentacle through And they're like Oh yeah I can fit through that It's like this Yeah And the big octopus Like that And they compress As long as the beak can go through The whole body can go through Yeah And you watch them do that And you're like what Like Yeah Crazy Three to five It says giant pacific octopus That's crazy Giant octopus Three to five years And then die of old age Small octopus is scary And they're delicious Yes They are I used to feel bad That I was eating them But then I found out They only live five years I'm like What am I cutting A year out of your life This is shit You know Yeah So obviously We've seen Obviously in the wild In Australia We've seen some pretty crazy As you know

64:59Like the hunting stories Are always Some crazy stories Well you have a crazy place too Because so much of your wildlife Is invasive So much of your wildlife Has been introduced Because the people That put your ancestors there They decided They were trying to Turn that place Into some wild hunting habitat So they brought over Stags And red deer And all these animals That thrive over there Yeah They're all invasive species Yeah man We've got Oh mate The deer They're everywhere now So where I live Is on the beach coastline there And like we've got mountains And they're just Deer everywhere Like they just walk In people's yards And stuff like that And I've seen the photos Of them on the beaches And stuff like that Just yeah Where people are Well it's good if you need meat Yeah exactly Like my friend Adam I mean he's All he eats is wild game And you can hunt In so many different places Over there Yeah for sure And they treat them

65:49Like a red deer Over there Is like a rodent Or a pest Oh yeah So many of them That's what I mean The deers Especially where we are They're just Thousands of them Or millions of them Yeah They're just everywhere Everywhere You go there And just any open paddock In the afternoon And they'll be You'll see like herds of them New Zealand's the same way Right Yeah They brought in They brought in All those animals And just left them there And now there's no predators Yeah Luckily there's no predators But they did fuck up In Australia And bring over some predators They brought over cats All right And wild cats In Australia Are a big problem They kill everything Yeah They've devastated Ground nesting birds And all sorts of Different wildlife And it's one of the Weirder things about Bow hunting in Australia Is that they'll hold up Cats Like something they killed Okay So they'll take a house cat Okay They're like holding up A house cat And smile

66:39Like look I got them Yeah And they're like What the fuck The same way people Would hear with a coyote Okay Hunters kill as many coyotes As they can over here Okay Because coyotes kill Fucking cats and dogs And they kill chickens And they've killed All my fucking chickens Oh really I had a bunch of chickens They killed nine of them At one time Oh shit I've had them a bunch They killed them slowly And then they got them All at once We had a fire out here And the fire burned I burnt down my chicken coop So I had to put them In a smaller chicken coop Okay And the coyotes Tore open the chicken coop And killed my nine Remaining chickens All in one night So they're pretty bad Fucking feathers everywhere Oh they're monsters They're clever They're really interesting animals Okay yeah I mean part of me Admires them Because they're really They're really smart Little fuckers They're really smart And they're sneaky Like they'll They'll trick a dog

67:25Into chasing after them And then a couple Other coyotes Will be waiting And they'll jump the dog And kill it Oh really Yeah Far out Yeah It's crazy What is this here Australia's deadly serious About killing millions of cats See Look at that guy Holding a fucking cat He's pretty good Yeah Feral felines Are driving the country's Native species to extinction Now a massive culling Is underway To preserve what's left Of the wild Someone who didn't Understand wildlife Introduced cats there To deal with Other small animals Because I think They had brought They brought something Else over there That was causing problems I think rabbits I think that's what it was I think they brought rabbits Over there And the rabbits Were fucking everything up So like Hmm What can we do Rabbits are eating All those Oh we'll bring cats They'll fix it And they just created a mess So they're They're trying They literally would like All wild cats To be extinct Alright

68:16Yeah You do You do see A fair bit of them out there Yeah Well cats in America Kill billions With a B Billions of birds And mammals Every year Every year They kill billions Of birds and mammals That's why I know a lot of the farmers And that They obviously can't You know Even my Again my mate Like he just You know They kill so many Native birds And all that sort of stuff And that's why He's not a big fan of them But yeah Yeah It's just Yeah again Like it's bloody Crazy Some of them get big As well I've seen photos of Like they look like a house cat But then they're just like Huge Yeah they're holding them like this And they're almost touching the ground And you're like What? Yeah It's a blowout Eating good And I've seen some Ones that were black So they look like a panther Or something like Well it's a panther It's just a cat It's all far out 28 pound house cat It says the number fluctuates From between Two to six million

69:06Depending on the weather Amount of cats? In Australia? Yeah Holy shit They're dropping Poisoned sausage out of the air To kill the cats? Yeah Oh well that's gonna Fuck everything else up Because other things Are gonna eat the poison sausage Yeah What in the hell man? Why don't they ever figure that out? You can't just do that Oh yeah Yeah It said They estimated Over 200,000 cats Were killed in the first Twelve months After the plan was announced Dropping lethal sausages From the sky Is only part of the country's Efforts to eradicate The feral cats Yeah They Some places They have a bounty on them Like if you shoot cats They'll give you money Oh really yeah? Yeah They have that They have that They have that With wolves in some places too If you shoot wolves They'll give you money Because the wolves Are fucking up so much wildlife And Mate that would get Like you said With the coyotes And all that And then the bears

69:55And all that sort of stuff Hunting some scary stuff It can get real Yeah Because you're out there You're putting yourself In the food chain Yeah Well like I said Ours is Obviously we've got a lot Of poisonous things And little things That'll get you But then over there Over here It just seems like Everything's big That'll just Fuck you up Well Australia's crazy too Because most people Live on the outside And the inside's just madness Yep You know Mate they're They're a bit different As well I don't know What's lucky But when you go out west And all that And you know They're just Bred a bit different So I'll go Like we'll go out there And even just driving On the roads And you know We'll sit there And like we'll wave at someone And you know The westies They'll just be like They just lift the finger up As in that's a hello They're just They're just bred So much different over there It's crazy Oh the people in the bush Yeah yeah

70:41That's what we call westies Sorry They're that guy The westies They're spooky folks That live out In those weird places What What do you got Jeremy You know we talked about I think you just said it too The number of birds That they kill Is like At least in America It says it's estimated 1.3 to 4 billion birds a year Yeah They add mammals to that number Which includes like reptiles And other things 6.3 to 22.3 billion mammals Are killed every year By cats In the United States What the fuck That's so many That's way more Than people have been alive Ever More than all the people Ever Crazy Every year These little fucks Plus they're cute You little You pet them They purr You know they're Little murderers It's amazing That's a crazy Crazy stats I'm bringing in Australia And that said Just by the way In the United States It's even more Look at that Wow In addition to mammals Cats kill An estimate 377 million birds And 649 million reptiles

71:46Every year in Australia That's fucking nuts Far out Yeah And some asshole Brought them over there Not that long ago I think they brought them over In the 1800s Yeah I've heard like A couple of different Like cases where that They bring people in And then Is that what it says Yeah And then it just went Backwards for them Yeah you can't just Bring things places You can't just do that You know Especially predators Or the cane toads So They got introduced for I can't man I know you might have To get this one But they bring them in And now they're just A complete Like pest Like they Those are big fuckers Yeah yeah They're big What they bring them here for Probably for some other Stupid reason I can't remember Yeah I can't remember Get rid of flies Too many mosquitoes Beatles in the sugar fields Yeah there you go Too many beetles What do you want to do Yeah you bring them And now they're like A massive problem You know what I mean So

72:351935 these dipshits They're brought to Australia From Hawaii With the intention Of controlling the cane beetle In the sugar cane fields In north Queensland Cane beetles live on the high Upper stalks of the cane plant Cane toads can't jump up that far So they barely had any impact These fucking idiots They didn't know jack shit In 1935 They couldn't Wikipedia shit Right Some idiot is like You gotta justify your job Toads We're gonna bring toads Have we talked about The four pest campaign That happened Whoa Look at the size of that prick Look at the one in the middle Click on that one in the middle The middle picture Oh shit That's a person I didn't realize that was a person Look at that Look at those fucks Yeah man Jesus Christ Well they started off They were all up They were up north In like Queensland And then they just Now they're all in New South Wales And they're just expanding It's just like gonna take over Australia

73:25I don't even know Actually this is This is the stats That I knew about Like eight years ago So it's probably Quadripled by now They probably have covered All of Australia I don't even know What do they use To kill the cane toads Are they gonna bring in birds Have we talked about The four pest campaign That's like a Not ancient But like it's a historical event That happened That led to like The death of 35 million people In China No Yeah They had a sparrow problem Or swallows Whichever With a small bird So they were They were an annoyance That they allowed people To kill them Or like Bang pots and pans To get rid of them That worked To get rid of them But then All of the bugs Then ate all the rice fields That led to a famine That led to 25 to 35 million people Dying Oh jeez So it would have been Better off with the birds Yeah So it's like a whole It's a historical event That people need to keep in mind When these things happen

74:18That there's a very Sensitive ecosystem Yeah Was that in 1935 as well When we got there It actually was At the same time It's a bad year Nobody learned Yeah It's like I don't know man I don't know how They're going to get rid of those frogs Do they have an idea I don't know Man I don't know too much I just remember hearing That's all I thought I'd throw it out there But I don't know It's bloody I think Oh man I remember seeing videos And there was like Just the floors Absolutely covered of In certain spots up in Queensland Like absolutely covered Like Actually it was in the Simpsons Wasn't it Was it I swear it was a Simpsons episode Yeah the I would have called them Shazwazes Or something like that I remember yeah Someone comes They beat them They like They pull out the sticks And beat them Or something like that The four pests thing Was a couple years later It was 1958 to 1962 Interesting So they didn't learn from 35

75:06Well maybe those toads taste good Maybe they need to start eating toads I think Frog legs are delicious Are they poisonous? No Oh boy I don't know That's a problem Yeah that's why I think They're big Maybe not Maybe not Are cane toads poisonous? We'll find out here Have you ever had frog legs? Yes I have Well they're cooked Well they're good Where did I have that? I did have that And it was actually What was it? It was actually a mixture of I thought Chicken and fish The ones I had Yeah Similar Similar Similar You reckon Yeah But they always say Everything tastes like chicken Poisonous but no one's died from that Oh okay It sounds like you get sick They have boiled toad eggs Oh boy Toad eggs? Jesus Oh okay So they're vet They have some sort of poison It says yeah Their cane toad has poison glands Through their whole life cycle Depends on when it's killed Depends on when What about for animals? It kills Yeah it's bad for animals

75:59Bad for dogs Oh well that's great That means you can't eat them That means these fuckers They're running around Making sure that Predators don't eat them No frog legs in Australia What a dumb animal To bring over there To kill beetles You fucking assholes You should find that guy From 1935 And kick his ass We go back in time Like what were you thinking man? What a dumb move Bring over a poisoned toad That no one can eat What was it for bugs? Literally for bugs That's crazy Yeah and the fact that It's poisonous Which not venomous Poisonous Which means if they eat it They die So these predators If you brought over A bunch of fucking jackals Or something to go eat the frog Yeah Or the toads They would wind up dying Cane toads Oh they do have venom Secreting poison glands Known as Paratoid glands Or swellings on each shoulder Where poison is released If they are threatened When they are threatened If ingested The venom can cause

76:54Rapid heartbeat Excessive salivation Convulsions and paralysis And can result in death For many native animals Great So you can't even Fucking kill them With predators God Well maybe we can get The cats to eat The cane toads Maybe that's the move I swear I could be wrong Look at this The most humane way To kill cane toads Is to put them In the freezer alive Humane? That's the most humane? I think I remember Getting told Back in the day You had to kill them If you seen them Or something like that Oh I imagine Kill them if you can The once popular method Was used to kill Millions of poisonous pets Until it was banned 20 years ago Because animal ethics committees Considered it inhumane Oh you fucks It's all those Fucking animal rights people They ruin everything What about our rights? Huh? You got poison toads Everywhere assholes How do you get rid of them? What does it say? Remove toad temptations And make your home A cane toad free zone

77:55You need a sign You decide Hey We're a cane toad Free zone here Cover or bring Pet food in at night As it attracts cane toads Remove standing water Oh great How you gonna do that? What about ponds? What about puddles? Remove rubbish And other degrees Debris So cane toads Cannot shelter under it During the day Keep your outside lights Off when not needed Keep toads out By creating a barrier Far out Far out indeed I don't know about that It's offensive They can't jump that high Just hire people Hire people to kill them Give them a lot Make it valuable To kill them I'm telling you I think it was For a bit I think they'll Honestly I remember If you see one I think you had to I don't know You're supposed to kill them? Yeah I don't know I could be wrong Maybe I just heard that From someone And I'm running with it It would be good archery practice If you had a lot of arrows You know Because it's not a big target It's a good thing to shoot at

78:51Fucking crazy assholes Bring over Fucking poisonous toads Estimated over 200 million No Far out That's so crazy That's so many toads 200 million toads Jesus Australia Yeah I don't know about that one Crazy Yeah So What do you eat during camp? Well I've got Actually I've got a dietitian On board now So he does a few of us You know He does his year And that as well Do you get meal prep Like pre-prepared meals? No I used to get that But now I just Yeah he just gives me A sort of game plan To go with Sorry Not game plan A diet plan Yeah meal plan And you know I just Yeah obviously I've got options And stuff like that And it's a game changer man It really is Like I said From what I used to eat To now Like I'm talking Even just a couple of A couple of fights ago Like you know what I mean I was doing my own thing And you know The fight week I would literally Just eat chicken and nuts And this wasn't that long ago I was in You know I was ranked

79:53And I was just eating Like chicken and nuts And just depleting myself So much Don't get me wrong I would end up pretty light But I mean It was good It was not good for the body That's for sure So when will you start So like say If you have a fight And it's eight weeks out When will you start The dieting process To try to lose weight And when When are you just Eating just for Health Yeah well I'm always trying All year round I try except for The last few months All year round I'm trying to eat You know reasonably good You know during the week And then the weekends I'll sort of just do whatever And I still do that All the way through To my fight Till about two weeks Is my last You know Cheat meal As people would say Like you know My last time I actually do that But you know It's just Again When I'm in I don't know If my body just knows Obviously there's science But sometimes I swear I'm eating the same As I get closer to the fight

80:39Maybe I'm training That little bit harder Or maybe I'm having That little bit less sugar Or whatever it is You know Or the sauce I'm cutting I don't really realise But it's just fine little Things I'm doing And the weight Just falls off And how much do you cut The week of the fight The week of the fight I'm usually about Seven kilograms out You know So it seems like a lot But I hold a lot of water And then once I So that's about Fifteen, sixteen pounds Yeah Yeah I think so Yeah So I'm about there And you know A lot of it Will end up Coming off during the week So again I hold a lot of water So I blow it up Mate I'll look at a piece of bread And I'll put on five kilos Of water So that's just how I am So I actually I mean I'll probably Get myself in trouble But I end up Weighing in at One forty five So yeah One forty five Usually a little bit less Actually last few times And I was getting up to One sixty What was it One sixty six

81:26Or something like that Can't remember what it was But I end up getting To seventy six kilograms Wow So I end up putting like Twenty two pounds or so Yes Yeah So I'll do that Overnight Yeah So I'll see How does that feel though When you do Well I'm used to I'm that weight Or camp pretty much Right So that's my weight I'm comfortable at You know what I mean So I'm about Even two weeks out From my fight I'm about Seventy five kg You know Maybe seventy four But I'm pretty close to it It's a real science Isn't it It is One hundred percent And again To be able to eat What I eat You know Fight week And I look at the food Now at fight week And be like What how good is this You know All over my social media I'm just like What Look how lucky I am Before when I used to do that Like you know Fight week And do my stories I'm just here Literally show like Six pieces of nuts And a little piece of chicken Where now I got like mad Like in meals

82:12And they you know Obviously decorate So what changed How did he change it I just Yeah like again They just know Before I didn't know I just knew I had to cut sodiums And carbs And I'll do that You know You know Four or five days out And then again I'll deplete a lot of water But I'll like you know Drink distilled water And stuff like that But you know Again you're still doing Similar sort of stuff But everything's more Calculated now And you know And you know They do all the measurements And you know Calculate everything And again The science to it It's crazy And then the last Now I'm usually A couple of kilos Heavier When I got a sweat Like from the night before But it comes off easy And I feel good So I've got energy And it's easy to come off So like what's a typical meal For breakfast for you Fight week No like during training Okay oats When you're getting Oats Usually when I get close I love my oats And I like it Heat it up

83:02Because it always fills me up I feel like I can I should be eating more But I don't even need to It fills me up that much Like you know So there's some meals Like now Because we train so hard That's what I mean By the difference You know I was eating next to nothing To now Not even being able to eat Some of the stuff That they want me to eat I'm like man I can't eat that much Like you know I mean I probably could But I'm like I don't need to You know what I mean Right Right That's amazing Yeah Because we do like Three, four sessions a day And some of them Like you know We tell them what workouts And you know We've got to scale them One to ten How hard they are You're doing four workout sessions A day Some days yeah Really Yeah So I'll do you know Usually three on average But Again like It's going to be controlled It doesn't mean I'm I'm actually You know Going the balls to the wall Every session You've got to be structured to it

83:45But I'll do strength and conditioning A couple days a week And then I'll I usually When I'm back home In Australia It's the You know The free sessions every day And then sometimes I do strength and conditioning So when we go to You know New Zealand It's usually in the morning We'll do a couple sessions And then we'll get a session At night As well So it's a But again With some of these Some of these Sort of Training sessions Full on Like I said And we're burning Like anywhere from 1200 calories To more Like 1400 And we're fit So to burn them Sort of calories While you're that fit You know That's a lot of hard work So we're doing that And then they're like You know They've got to feed us Like all this So we can have the energy To train And that's what I mean Like some meals I'm like man I don't think I could even eat that But it's crazy To be able to do that And like be happy With what you're eating And then go in a fight week

84:33And stuff like that It's a game changer It really is Yeah that's where the value Of having someone Who's an actual nutritionist Really comes into play Where they tell you No this is the calories That you need And this is going to give you All the electrolytes And the protein The carbohydrates This is everything Yeah You're good Like when you're like Are you sure? Yeah Man that's exactly right But that's how it is That's what I will be like While I'm eating I'm like man I don't know if I should be eating this And the funny thing is If you're starving yourself With the chicken and the nuts Like you're not going to lose As much weight And it's not going to be as easy Because your body's going to try To hold on to food And you're not going to have any energy Yeah Well I'd only done the chicken and nuts Fight week But I mean again Earlier in my career I was just eating Nowhere near enough I remember I remember I sort of went off

85:15My wife's meal plan That she had And like she wasn't even training And it was a meal That she was meant to be having Like you know The meals that she was having Not even training And then I'm a You know obviously A few kilos I'm working a lot harder I'm obviously you know Training and doing all that And I'm trying to stick to this diet That she's meant to lose weight on You know what I mean So it was It's yeah That's what I would You know That's what I would sort of Do my diets And that's when the Staph infections always come And it's just crazy Yeah Yeah So when you say you're working out Three to four times a day Like how do you break up your sessions Does someone Is someone dictating What you're going to be doing For the day Do you have someone Who plans out your workouts Oh you Most weeks are pretty much the same But obviously You're going to have your Like that's the thing Like you know Joe my coach

85:56No one knows me better than he is So he knows when I'm not on You know he knows when Something's happened So there was before The max fight There was a You know I don't want to miss Training sessions You know what I mean So I'm going to go there But they could see I was run down And that's when injuries Can happen And that's when you can get sick And all this type of stuff So they pulled me up And as much as I didn't want No no I'll be right They didn't let me train that night And have like the day off And man honestly The next day The next sessions after that I was on fire And I finished You know what I mean And perfect You know That was a Again at the time I'm like Oh you know I don't want to miss On the trail I don't want to feel like You know I don't feel like I'm not working hard enough You know what I mean So that's sort of how I was thinking But then the next day It just made me even Work so much harder And I'd done the

86:40VO2 max session Wrestling session And I absolutely killed it You know what I mean And that just And that was my last week Of training And I just finished Perfect Like sort of You know Right on peak You know Obviously that's why You structure To peak You know A week out And that was You know It was perfect As with the nutritionist It shows you the value Of having a real professional And particularly Someone who really knows you And knows Like you're not going To slack off You know You're a guy Who's going to go Balls out Yeah So if you're tired Like that Something's up And so many coaches Or so many fighters Rather don't have A coach like that Yeah And so they will Overtrain And they'll come into A fight beaten down Yeah And it's It's unfortunate It really is That's what I mean The one percenters And you were saying With the mental coaches And all that Like I just think There's so many places That you could really Really you know Work with it

87:27And I think That all will Help in the end That one percent Now how much of your Camp is dedicated To strength and conditioning How many strength And conditioning sessions Do you do I'll do anywhere From yeah Two to three Two to three a week So I'm doing a Yeah yeah Two to three a week And what kind of stuff Are you doing Again I started with Baymed performance So they come on board Because I used to get A lot of What is the name of it Baymed Baymed Baymed Yeah performance So they deal with A lot of athletes So they do Like rugby league teams And all that sort of stuff It was a That was a game changer For me Because I was having A lot of problems With my back Before I was thinking This was before Chad Mendes So there was Even times in my career Where I was like thinking I might have to Like give this up Like even after The Elkins fight What was wrong With your back I just I have a bulging disc But like I would get All the sciatica Down the leg

88:12And at the time I just thought It was so much worse Than it was And it was mentally Getting me And you know It was just Where's the bulging disc Lower ones I can't tell you Which one it was But the lower ones So I've got a couple Of the But I even went To a specialist And they were telling me That you know To give it up Like I don't know Whether it was just Something that You know He has to say Like to cover himself Or whatever Those guys are always So negative Yeah They always say that They told me to give it up And like again I was already mentally Getting me And then I had These guys come on board And they're like No there's nothing More mate 80% of the people Literally have bulging discs Don't worry Until Literally goes Until your foot You know Stays flat And you know Drags and all that Sort of stuff From the sciatica Or you can't control Your bowels That's when we'll start You know You can't control your bowels Once you start

88:55Shitting yourself We'll tell you to stop That's hilarious That's when we might Maybe do the surgery Or something like that So this is sort of what Again they were trying To get in my head And really Sort of just You know Let me sort of Smash this mentally As well So they started Getting me thinking And again I'm pretty good With this type of stuff So I'm like Alright no worries They got me On a mad program They built a Strength program Specifically for my body You know For what I do Fighting and all that So it's an absolute Game changer And I don't have problems Now when I I used to There was times Where I was having Like anywhere from 14 weeks To not training Before I fought Like Elkins Yeah Elkins Jeremy Kennedy I was doing next to nothing In between the fight And then literally Having six weeks To do Wow So you're trying to recover Well I'm trying to Just Dealing with the pain Yeah so my back Will go And then I'll have Like two weeks off

89:41Try to get back Into it But it'll happen again And I was doing this For like 14 weeks straight And then getting told I'm fighting And then you know Do a camp And be like I've got six weeks To get myself ready Do you do any Spinal decompression Or anything like that No well No not that We just do A lot of it's just Again hip mobility And all that Again So a lot of times I do a lot of mobility Before I do sessions And stuff like that That really does help With what I'm doing I want you to try This thing I have out there This teetered decks It's this thing You climb into It's real simple You put your legs Behind it Almost like a leg curl And then you lean forward And as you lean forward All the weight Is just decompresses On your back And particularly Your lower back It's fantastic for it It feels so good Yeah I do it after every workout I do two things For my back That are really big One is a thing Called the reverse hyper

90:30You ever use one of those No Is that like With the round thing No No That's another one That's a hip glute Hamstring thing The reverse hyper Is this machine That was created by Louis Simmons From Westside Barbell And it's like a flat bench You climb your upper body Up on the bench And then you hook your legs Into this thing And you lift your legs up And then you let them Drop down And as it drops down It decompresses Oh okay And as you lift it up It strengthens And it comes from this guy Louis Simmons is like He's a power lifting legend And he had a back injury And they were trying To do surgery on him And he was like Well what's it from They were like It's from compression He's like Well I gotta figure out How to decompress it So he figured out This machine That created active decompression I have one out here I swear by it I love it There it is right there It shows how it works Okay So when you lift up Don't stare at that dude's ass

91:19When you lift up It goes up And then when it lifts down It actually pulls the back And decompresses it And it feels great Pull that video Right there You can see it If you watch that video You can see That's Louis He's a fucking character He's a really Wild guy But so See how it's going down Yeah That thing pulls your back down So what I'll do is On the up It strengthens the back muscles In a real unique way So what I'll do is I'll do that And then after I do that Then I'll decompress With the decks That's the decks That's the thing right there See so you climb into that thing And then see how she's got Her hands on those handles You let go of that And it just Oh It makes your lower back Like ah I'm going to give it to you To try out here You're going to climb in there And you're going to go Oh I need this Yeah man I love it I have one at home too I swear by it I fucking swear by this thing Yeah Really good for stretching the back

92:13I'll look into having that Because your own body weight Is like pulling your spine apart And decompressing it It just relaxes everything It's very nice Yeah Yeah Well that's a Well hey you know Again it's just You need these types of things You need like obviously The knowledge is getting there With everything You know what I mean The knowledge is out there So What kind of shit Do they have you doing A lot of it was a strengthening So I was a A lot A big problem of mine Like I was getting told Like lock your core Like when I'd get my back You know A bit more old school Type of stuff Just lock your core You know Don't do nothing You know I would literally do nothing For like a whole week And then try and get back And then I would injure it again I would like literally If you told me to stand up You know I would like Hold my breath And like stand up You know what I mean I was like Yeah Well that's just Sort of my mental side

92:57Of the sort of Where I was at with it And it was You know what I mean So they had to change all that They had to You know Relax And let me Like literally They said If you You know If you drop a Look this is one thing He said to me The first time I met him He goes You drop a pencil Pick the fucking pencil up You know You don't have to Don't fucking game plan How you're going to pick up That pencil Like you get what I mean He's trying to get in my head Like just relax You know what I mean And the training Even the first few sessions I started doing From my strength program Like cause I would always like Really hyperextend my back And like you know Thinking I'm keeping it straight And you know Think I'm doing the right thing But So they had to try And change my posture And everything While I was doing workouts Just so I could start You know Doing things properly Like even when I used to do deadlifts I would like

93:38Try and stay as upright as I could Because I thought My back would go And my back would go Every time I did deadlifts And that Cause my technique was Bad And just Little things like that So that's what I mean By having a strength program And all this sort of stuff And now like If I do get a flare up You know within Even the next day I'm back into Back into training You know what I mean Where before I'd have like two weeks off Literally two weeks off Where now I'm like Back at training Like they're like You can't stop moving Like you need to keep moving That'll you know Don't let your body lock And my brain would literally Make it lock up I'd get my hip out to the side It was bad Like I really was I'd get a flare up And I'd be like Uh oh And then my brain would just Go back to that position You know where you go And my hip would go out And I wouldn't be able to walk For a few days And it's just Yeah That was keep happening But now

94:22We're on top of it now It's a game changer Now I'm having camps You know full proper camps So that happened before Chad Mendes So that's when I end up Seeing them And I had my first Like proper 12 week camp For the you know For the Chad Mendes fight That's amazing Yeah That's amazing So what kind of stuff Do they have you doing Other than you said Deadlifts and strengthening Exercises Oh yeah A lot of glutes Because my glute My right glute Wasn't even firing Because of the sciatic Yeah just because Yeah yeah yeah Well just not just that Just the fact that I would use my back muscles And core to do everything I wasn't ever activating My glutes To do stuff Because you know I was just using The wrong muscles Thinking you know I was doing it right Where now like That's a big part of my My sort of mobility Before I do it I do my mobility And I get the glutes firing And stuff like that And every time I do that I feel good

95:07So a lot of the strength program Is still building the glutes And stuff like Obviously you're still doing Your core exercises Now we're at a stage Where we can just sort of Build everything You know And even just having People that know What they're doing Again you could go there And they can just Work on everything And oh yeah Let's go nuts But you know The specific sort of training Knowing that I've got to go And do my other sessions At the other gym And all that So they all take it All into play And you know That everything's Just real structured You know Training weeks Are so much more structured Than it used to be And you're seeing it You know Not only in performances But even my body And being able to train It's a game changer That's amazing Wow you're really Really really fortunate That you found those guys Yeah 100% It was huge Do you do any yoga Or stretching Or anything I do like yeah Stretchers and all that

95:54Like I don't do it I'll be honest I don't do it enough Like I should be Stick it to it Especially when I'm not While I'm back home I do that in my sessions That I'm doing with them So I'm doing that I'm meant to be doing that Every day But you know I lack it I lack it sometimes I should be doing a lot more So sometimes I won't do it And I'll feel like it tight Every time I go on an airplane I come to You know come to America And all that I come and I'm just Stiff as a board You know what I mean But as soon as I do These mobility sort of exercises And stretches And like get the glutes going I'm 100% like straight away Show me someone Who doesn't have a back issue That trains martial arts And I'll show you someone Who doesn't train enough Yeah exactly Yeah exactly right You're gonna have a back problem At least a little bit of stiffness You know It's just Yeah that's just always You know Yeah it comes with it What is it

96:39You see sometimes Like memes And they'll be like going Best childhood memory Not having a sore back You know Things like that Yeah Kids man My middle daughter She's 11 And she's so fucking flexible Her spine She could stand And then bend backwards And put her hands Behind her on the ground And then kick her legs up in the air And go over I'm like What in the fuck Are you made out of Little kids man Yeah man They're made out of rubber Yep That's all It is like that Actually Yeah man 100% Like even With My daughter once Actually I'm gonna probably Cop some flack for this But I remember I was You know Sometimes I didn't know So one time She just like Sort of fell And I was like Holding her By her arm And she ended up Like having like A little dislocated Like sort of elbow And I didn't know Like she was just crying I thought she was crying Because we left the park And stuff like that And I just Just the thing I literally Just had And she just fell

97:33And I just like Sort of held her Yeah Well like just Well yeah I just grabbed her by the arm And Right And like you know Just again Like hyper lucky It didn't break her infant But obviously Being young And they're a bit more flexible But like full Hyper extended her To her arm But she was alright A couple of days It wasn't too bad I literally thought I broke my daughter's arm Like when I went to hospital Imagine telling people This story You know what I mean So it's crazy But yeah Some of the same things You see the kids do It's crazy Yeah Well they're just They're built to fall down Yeah You know Like Just don't hold on When they do So Yeah So what about running Are you doing a lot of running I don't do as Much running I sometimes Do weight loss And all that But you know I get You know Obviously when you Try and get your You know Your heart rate At a certain amount And doing your What is it The endurance You would know VO2 max Yeah no Not VO2 max

98:25Like when you're doing Like when you're running A consistent run Or something You're keeping your heart rate At a certain Yes I'd rather I'm the top person I'd rather be drilling At the gym I'll keep my heart rate there And I'll be drilling And I'll just do hours An hour And do you use A chest monitor Yeah we do Yeah we do We do that with a lot Of our sessions And yeah That's again We just try and structure Everything We're all about the science And stuff like that Yeah I mean It's so important But so many people Don't do it They just go by feel You know But when If you really have Great coaches Especially great Scientific based Strength and conditioning coaches That really understand The science behind Getting your body Into a great endurance spot Even though We even do Like we get our HRV So every morning To see if You know It tells us If we can train Or usually say Yeah you're good to go Or something like Alright pull up You know Right

99:13So it tells you How your body Sort of feels I don't know how it works I wear one of these things Heart rate variability straps Yeah it's big It's big It shows you If you're fucking wrecked Yeah Because sometimes you feel like Maybe I'm just being a pussy And then I can look at my phone And I go No man You're fucking You haven't recovered Yeah There's a thing That'll show you Where your static heart rate is Where your normal resting heart rate is Where it is now It shows you You've trained too hard Yeah And then sometimes We'll look and be like Yeah you've just been a little bitch You've just been a little bitch It should say that too Yeah man it's crazy So you prefer drilling To things like Yeah Running Yeah it makes sense I've done a fair bit of running Like when I was in Thailand And stuff like They make you run right Yeah exactly right But I'll be honest I don't do as much now So again doing the four sessions A day

100:00Three four sessions a day I just I'm the type of person I'm just a believer of drilling You know I can be a lot more Fight specific When I'm getting that heart rate there So that's just how I am Everyone's different though And obviously it's working for you Yeah You know sometimes That's a big part of it too Is like having a thing That you believe in And the thing that gives you confidence And it's You know it's obvious That you have great endurance as well So it is physically working for you as well Yeah exactly So you'll do Three different sessions At least a day And you're breaking them up Like a strength and conditioning Maybe a boxing workout Kickboxing Jiu jitsu Maybe an MMA workout Like how do you How does it structure usually Yeah you're Most mornings you'll do Like an MMA sort of workout So you put it all I'm all about putting it all together You know what I mean I don't like to Separate each discipline

100:47But obviously we still do that as well We'll do like wrestling some days A couple of days a week And then the jiu jitsu Every morning we'll do as well We've got wall work sessions And you know it's just We just do everything And then you've got certain sessions That are like Via 2 max Wrestling And things like that So it's just And these are mapped out By your coaches in advance Yeah So you know like What the week is going to be like Yeah yeah Pretty much the same Every week That's the difference Between now and the old days man The old days Guys would just work out Until they dropped No one knew what the fuck Anybody was doing right You know Really no one knew Yeah What about sparring And what is your philosophy On sparring hard Versus sparring light Yeah man Especially Joe Like we're all about You know More technical sparring Obviously we have like Our Saturdays is where we spar And that's a little bit more full on But you know

101:34You know you don't get paid in the gym And again If you're going balls of war Every time you spar You know I mean Like how do you learn as well I believe that you know Keeping it a little bit more chill You can work on things Yeah That's why I love training With all different types of styles Even if I train with someone That's not on my level That's where I can learn so much as well That's when I can try things right There's things that If you're going against someone That's you know Better than you Or just as good And you can't make any mistakes So you're playing it safe Like in sparring every day You know what I mean But again we're all about You know keeping it pretty chill You know especially during the week We spar probably like You know anywhere from three You know four sessions Maybe even a week But a lot of times It's very very very chill You know very technical We call it technical sparring

102:16And again that's where you learn And that's when you You know I think it works It's been working for me But then our Saturdays Is where we go a little bit harder But not too hard So it's never like a full on brawl Nah never Never a full on brawl That's another brilliant thing That people are learning today Because back in the day Everybody used to just brawl Yeah man I mean there's so many stories Like the best stories Come out of Brazil The Curitiba stories From shoot the box Okay yeah Those guys used to knock Each other out in training And just keep training Yeah Wake up Get back in there Man Just push them back in there And you could just imagine You know it's not too good For the brain Terrible for the brain I mean Getting punched in the head And Vegas trips Not good for the brain Bold things Bold things Well listen brother I appreciate you coming down here man And talking to us And nothing but the best of luck

103:01To you in the future And I really enjoy watching you fight Thank you I'm really excited To see the rematch Between you and Max I mean Two fucking awesome guys That are great fighters I'm looking forward to it Me too Me too Let's hope it happens And stay tuned I reckon I reckon we'll have something soon Instagram Alex Volkanovski Twitter Same Yep Yep Have you got a Facebook as well? Yeah Facebook Alexander the Great Volkanovski Go on there What about Do you have a website? We're actually doing one right now We are doing that one And yeah Stay tuned for that And I'll have all that up Very soon Alright beautiful Thank you brother Appreciate you man Thank you Bye everybody Oh I've been needing to piss For a while too I've been drinking all that water I've been drinking all that water