Judd Apatow

00:02Joe I might plug some dates early do it do it and we're live Jud how are you buddy yeah Jud appow here dude you know susman real well not only do I know your manager susman Jeff susman when I was a kid I loved comedy so I got a job at the East Side Comedy Club at which was in Huntington on Long Island this is about 8384 he was the bar Ender and he used to give me rides home because I lived really far away and I used to take a cab home and spend all the money I made as a dishwasher on the cab ride home wow but I just wanted to be in the club near Comics Eddie Murphy was coming in it was crazy uh and I swear to God this is no BS you have those people in your life that you remember who were insanely kind and cool and Jeff susband was like that as a as a young kid I was maybe 15 or 16 I thought this is the greatest guy I've ever met he's so nice to me he gives me a ride

01:07home he's funny uh and I'm so glad uh that he's rich now he's been my manager since I was an open micer yeah he discovered me as an open micer in Boston who were his first clients uh Bob Nelson yeah Bob Nelson at the East Side Comedy Club nothing funnier he used to do a a show once a week and one of the things he did is he would just turn on the radio and scan through the channels and do improv based on what was on the radio so if it was elevated music he would do a dentist routine if it was Heavy Metal he would suddenly do like a heavy metal guy and it was incredible yeah that guy was huge at one point in time and then I think he blew a fuse or something I think he's a very religious person now and he's still performs in Branson that's a nice way of saying he blew a fuse depends on depends on your of things I guess maybe he's happier than all of us maybe highly

02:05unlikely but maybe but God was he funny I mean truly as funny as people get and then he built a thing on stage you have to imagine this he built like a wall on the stage and in the wall he built two doors and he would do all these bits where he would come in and out of doors as different people and then he did a thing where he would like come out of the door like run out of one door across the stage and in the other door and then run out the that door again as a different person so it looked like he was chasing himself like it would be like a gorilla chasing Bob and he would just change his body language as he ran in and out of these doors it was really creative no one has ever really done stuff like that since even well something happened somewhere along the line where katop owns props mhm they don't no one does props anymore you remember when we were

02:54first starting out there was prop Comics it was a genre there was Dennis Miller used to do props when when he started I heard that he used to put his lips through a 45 record and I forgot what the bit was and I I threw a couple of props first few times I went on stage I remember bringing a light and putting it to my finger to make my finger look like et's finger I can't quite remember what the bit was but that's how little material I had isn't it funny though that that genre is just sort of dissolved and it is funny as hell I went to see katop in Vegas I mean it's a ridiculous show I laughed my ass off I brought my whole family we really laughed hard I mean that is a funny genre of just ridiculous stupid prop jokes yeah katop gets way more than he deserves he's very funny oh no he's czy funny I mean I've always for the silly guys you know I love you know the smart people and the

03:52inventive people but the silly guy is also pretty great and it's hard to write super silly jokes that make people laugh out loud like there's comedians who are funny and you're like oh that's funny and then there are people who actually make you piss your pants yeah and the one thing that that carop did that made me laugh was he runs around the crowd at some point he's like giving the crowd shots he's handing out cups and really fast pouring shots and they're spilling on people and he's running around giving people shots and and then he like turned to some lady he like oh I can't give it to you you're pregnant but she clearly wasn't pregnant it was just a chubby lady and it got really awkward for her oh no that's always the best when you make that mistake are you allowed to just give people shots like what if you have an alcoholic but they're just they're they're sober but you are like

04:40so influential they go oh it one drink's not going to hurt and then boom you just throw their life off track katop wanted it to happen yeah you got to be careful with that no uh I certainly am not pouring booze for the crowd but I I appreciated it as someone observing katop I appreciate that too but I would think as a performer you'd have to be really concerned I know too many people that you give them one shot and they they they V they're Doug stampler from House of Cards I maybe katop is getting pre-show releases there could be a whole system there could be of of how he knows who to give the shots to yeah he survives in Vegas too that does there's not a whole lot of people that do that anymore yeah there's like pen and Teller and yeah they've been there forever right but their show is a magic show right and then there used to be like a lot of residents yes they were

05:30doing stand up there George Wallace Rita rner George Wallace quit doing that right he did for a long time and he had enough at some point yeah he explained to me how hard it is like you have to you have to fill that room like every night filling rooms let me say as someone who makes movies and it's terrified that people will show up filling rooms scares me as well like we have a movie The Big sick it opens in New York and LA this weekend and then in two weeks it opens around the country it's a caml nanani Holly Hunter and Ray Romano based on an experience that happened to Kamil Nani when he met his wife and he was he's from Pakistan and his parents wanted him to have a an arranged marriage but he fell in love with an American woman and then she quickly got sick and had to be put into a coma and it's this really hilarious fascinating true story about him hanging out with her parents while

06:19she's in a coma it's just a very unique story but it works great it's like 98% on Rotten Tomatoes it's like one of those gem movies that comes around every like four or five years what's it called it's called the big sick and so like right now I'm terrified you know will people go will you get off your ass for a great hilarious movie to go to a theater and it's the same thing with uh standup you know now that I'm doing some concerts I do you like track like how they're selling it's a scary thing they go yeah don't worry about this cyia they always sell late and then you look at your numbers for months and no one bought tickets then like in the last two weeks they sell out or do you just not tune in at all I try to tune in to as little as I possibly can yeah other than like doing the jokes themselves doing the shows themselves you know family Hobbies yes I don't tune in anymore I

07:13just feel like there's no reason to have you money if you don't say you so I'm supposed to be saying you right now yeah but not really saying you just there's things to think about and there's things to not think about like there's like the things that like you don't have really any control over yes like whether or not people buy tickets you're hilarious you're J appeti what are you worried about man you're super successful you've done some of the greatest movies of all time but the things that always drive me is the terror of things not working out so that's what keeps me on my game is is to be scared that's why I'm going to tell your crowd right now well that's good because that's one of the reasons why you're still good but just let me help you out dude you've you've made some of greatest comedy movies ever just chill out no I can't chill out Joe I can't

07:58chill out that's why I'm going to tell I'll be at the Columbus Theater in Providence Rhode Island July 25th damn early early with the plugs yeah and then uh Richfield playhouse on July 23rd in Ridgefield Connecticut then I'm at the The Wilbur in Boston that's one of the great the best place great great place do you have a website where people could read all these cuz they're not going to remember they're probably in their car right now they're like this guy the Wilber Boston July 24 the wil.com I don't know see this is how I do your website do you I have no website I've got nothing you don't have a website I don't am I I thought webites my kids make fun of me if I even talk about the web like if I say to my kids yeah let's find out on the on the worldwide web they're like Dad no one calls it the worldwide web anymore my daughter yelled at me the other day she said Dad no one

08:42emails don't email me text me and she acted like I was like talking about ham radio yeah you might want to tell your kid to shut the up exact ridiculous no one emails everybody I email every day what are you talking about I guess the kids don't the kids don't have attachments I think that they don't need it cuz there's no attachments my kid never has a PDF to send that's true and they don't spell your they don't care every kid spells you are every kid it's like yeah and what how old are your kids I have a 20 I have a nine and a seven girls oh yeah I'm all girls I'm 19 and 14 all girls girl chaos chaos and uh they all gang up on me and the teen years are rough they're rough they turn on you a little bit the genetically I think they're supposed to like push for their freedom and turn on you for a while well I also think they're so confused there's so many hormones raging

09:35through their system that didn't exist just like they're a new person like if you if you stop and think about how you are when you're 11 and then how you are when you're 15 it's only four years later and you're a totally different human yes I I tell them that I say uh you're acting hormonal right now could you please stop they can't help it though we talk about the chemicals I have this book it's called uh yes your teen is crazy and then whenever they give me a hard time I just take it out and just start reading it in front of them but it is all about how their brain isn't even cooked yet that that your brain isn't really cooked till your early 20s and your impulse control and everything is gone and that what you're supposed to do is apparent is model sane behavior and if they if they see you not lose your thousands of times maybe that will program them to handle

10:25problems well but they are going to freak out a ton and you shouldn't get that mad at out of them at them cuz they're not capable of not freaking out but that is a hard advice yeah it's hard advice and when you get down to the youngest one like my my youngest is seven and I'm like don't you have your together yet come on everybody else is older than you let's go let's go they don't they don't get a full shot but the younger kid always thinks they're allowed to do what the older kids do so it gets scarier as as you have more kids because they go well my older sister does that so aren't I allowed to do that now and you're like no you're seven yeah uh yeah it's it's a really weird time I think especially in California you know uh marijuana's basically legal it's a it's a difficult debate to have with kids yeah when it is legal you can't even pull out that it's illegal

11:14card right I'm not worried about marijuana yeah at what age though would you not worry about marijuana I'm not worried about it at any age if you're seven-year-old is like you know what some handed inedible I don't I AB absolutely don't want my seven-year-old or my 9-year-old to be smoking pot but I'm not worried about pot I'm worried about alcohol yes I'm worried about alcohol and I'm worried about driving I'm worried about like teens drinking and driving that's that that freaks me out like her being with her friends as they go to high school and that that freaks me out because kids just don't know what their tolerances are they don't understand the effects of alcohol on the the body and your ability to react that's it's all about Uber it's all about the lift and and that is one thing I noticed is that all the kids are they're seems to be a lot less drunk

12:00driving cuz they all just Uber oh it's amazing if you can afford it but if you can't afford it I guess you're still screwed yeah you are screwed if you can't afford it but it's pretty reasonable if you're just moving around a general area like if you're hopping around West Hollywood and going from the store to The Improv and like people do it all the time it's a couple bucks it's not that big a deal and it's like it saves you all the worry and hassle of being a drunk yeah are you a neurotic dad or a a calm dad I try to be as calm as I can yeah you know a certain amount of neurotic that's seeks in seeps in every now and then but I try to be really calm yeah yeah the you know the thing is just everybody does it everybody grows up just have it have it be fun as much as possible I have a friend uh an older gentleman who's had a bunch of kids he's always he's always

12:45says to me you know you got to let them go through it you know they're G to go they're GNA do the drugs it's fine they get through it they figure it out you know you got they're going to have sex you can't stop it you got to let them go through it they'll they'll figure it out is your friend the dude from the big Labowski yes it's it's literally John Goodman I saw the dude was uh what's his face not John Goodman the other guy what's his name m Jeff uh the oh Jeff Bridges Jeff Bridges yeah he's the dude oh he's the dude yeah in the movie right yeah yeah I saw it the other day I haven't seen it in years I was crying laughing oh it's a good one that used to be my movie my lpus test for whether or not I could talk to you like how do you feel about the big Labowski piece of I got to go yes we did an episode of Freaks and Geeks where he shows John Daly's character Sam we shows

13:32a girl the jerk and she hates it and and he breaks up with the cheerleader at school because she hates the jerk good for him I had that with a girl in high school where she hated uh ET and I and that was a rough one we rough one to survive back then yeah there's certain music and there's certain movies that you're just not allowed to like or hate yes yeah well that's a funny thing with my wife and I is we violently disagree on lot of that stuff we don't have like one or two violently yeah there's there's one or two like the main things that mean the most to me in the world where my wife's like I can't I can't I don't like it at all and then stuff that she likes that I I go I I hate that more than anything I think that's good I think it's good especially with your spouse to have like very few interests in common I don't I think all those people that do everything together are

14:24weirdos man they always freak me out that that is interesting yeah cuz it's a it's like standup my wife I met her when I wasn't doing stand up I did standup from the time I was 17 till I was 24 I met my wife when I was 28 or 29 so she didn't know anything about standup till 3 years ago when I started doing it again yeah what what caused you to do that I remember when you started coming around everybody's like look at Jud what he doing it's funny I I uh I when I stopped when I was 24 I was pretty burnt out so that was 92 and and I was getting a lot of writing work the Ben Stiller show got picked up this sketch show we did for Fox and that kept me busy and I was making you know a lot of money compared to the $500 a week I was making doing standup on the road and I thought well this is the universe saying you don't need to do standup and you should stop maybe your friends are funnier than

15:20you and I'm living with you know Sandler and I'm hanging out with opening up for Jim Carrey and it's it's daunting you know it's like trying to start a band and your friend is John Lennon you just feel like a dick and it would be weird to not feel like a dick like if I was cocky with Jim Carrey and thought I'm funnier than this guy I mean I'm a sane human being I know I know what's happening um and I was also a little bored of it because I was so obsessed since I since I was 10 and you know I did funny people I did a little stand up to write jokes for funny people so I was writing jokes but it was for Adam's character and then I started hanging out with Amy Schumer working on train wreck and she would come back from these tours and I just got jealous I thought that sounds like the most fun thing and then one night I said to her I'm going to go up tonight just to make you laugh just

16:13just so you could see what it was like when I did stand up and then I I told a couple stories I had told on talk shows that I knew would go okay and Amy was very excited hoping I was going to bomb like she was thought this would be this funny thing Jud bombs at the comedy seller and I did pretty good just cuz it's stories I know work okay and then the comedy St said hey anytime you want to come back just pop in we'll put you up now no one ever said that when I was a comic because it was hard to get stage time and I thought wait a second I'm getting treated like somebody who who gets to show up and go on stage I have to take advantage of this and I went on every night the entire shoot a train wreck no matter what time we finish shooting I would drive straight to the comedy seller wow and I had the best time and then I came back to LA started doing the Improv in The Comedy Store and

17:00Largo and and then I would put these benefits together at Largo once a month and and to me that was the most fun because I could book a show and get like Shandling to come and Randy Newman or you know Aziz and Fiona Apple and we did them all his benefits and I always like producing things like that and then slowly my ACT got to the point where I thought oh I'm you know I I deserve to be here this isn't some freak Show well you know the difference between someone who writes for television and movies and and the difference between that and a lot of standups is when you're making a living writing and producing and directing and and doing all you're disciplined you write yes you actually write you have notes you have books you have like you're opening up your binder you're going over your stuff so many Comics don't do that I remember when I started I was opening for Larry Miller

17:54one of the legendary Comedians and he he would have these incredible bits some of them were like 10 minutes long he had a great bit about about drinking like it's one of the best standed bits of all time and he had a bit about Thanksgiving and a skiing bit they were all like 10 minutes and they would get funnier and funnier and one day he said to me you know this is a job you got to sit down every day and write jokes you don't just go to the mall and watch a movie every day like if you sat down for 2 hours at a desk and treated this like it was a job that deserved your respect you'll be 100 times better than everybody else yeah and I didn't listen to his advice at the time but I do now like now I sit down and I brought it up yeah yeah you show up with like notes you're like one of the rare guys at The Comedy Store you'll show up with notes exactly I know nobody

18:44has notes everyone has like a little like a business card with three bullet points on it and I'm a little more of the you know the chandling tons and tons of paper till you're drowning and confused chandling you know that's a sad one man fun dude that was oh the best and I'm doing a documentary about him now for HBO and so the most fun part about it is he always went to the comedy magic club and did standup even in eras where you didn't know he was doing it that's where I met him at the comedy magic club yeah and how was he oh he was great yeah he's just I mean it was like for me I was a huge fan of Larry Sanders show and Larry Sanders show uh that's where Paul Sims got his start he's the producer of news radio and so when I you know when I saw him I was like it was one of those ones like oh wow that's uh that's actually Gary shanding right there right there where J app was right

19:36there it's a weird one and he and you the comedy magic club they tape every show since the 80s they have every show taped yeah and I said uh can you give me the last 50 sets that Gary did at the comedy magic club and this is you know from the last few years and no one's ever seen any of these jokes except the people at those shows he didn't do them on TV he didn't do them on talk shows there was no some of the funniest jokes you've ever heard just him you know working on the craft around being so funny yeah but he he did a lot of notes he was a he a disciplined guy he he was well in the 70s he wrote so many jokes I found these binders hundreds and hundreds of jokes in every loose leaf binder like a guy sitting at a desk all day just crafting like two sentence perfect jokes yeah but there's like the balance right there's that there's crafting the perfect jokes and then there's just

20:34being able to be loose yes and fun and hilarious well he also used to go on stage with uh just a setup and he wouldn't know the punchline and he would say the setup and hope the punch line came which is pretty wild he um you know one of the one of the great things about doing a documentary is you get to ask people for footage so Seinfeld gave me uh the dailies for for Comedians and Cars Getting Coffee when he interviewed Gary and then the people who made the movie comedian about Seinfeld gave me all the dailies of a sequence that they only used 10 seconds of in the documentary which was Gary and Jerry going to the comedy magic club and doing sets and also there that night is nean and Chris Rock and there's 12 tapes it's all their performances and then their entire conversation for 3 hours hanging out backstage and it is unbelievable the conversation how funny it is and uh

21:34there's a moment where Chris Rock is doing the joke about how Nelson Mandela got divorced that even Nelson Mandela after Decades of being in prison he could survive that but he couldn't survive getting out and being married he gets divorced immediately I forgot how he worded it but there's a shot of Shandling alone in a green room watching Rock do this bit and as he's doing it is's like saying what he what he's like he's guessing what the bit is as rock saying it but in awe of Chris Rock and it's a it's a really beautiful moment and that's what the best part of doing this documentary is is just finding little magical moments that no one would ever see if you didn't dig deep what made you decide to do this you know we did a memorial for Gary when he died at the Wilshire eel theater and like a thousand people showed up up and I made about five mini documentaries about Gary to show in

22:34between the speakers and I thought oh this is a documentary I should just expand this and now it's like now it's like the OJ doc of Gary it's a big long epic documentary I think people don't realize how good the Larry Sanders show was yeah like people forgot you know if you go back and watch it again I that was a revolutionary show when it was on the air it really was well people don't go backwards like my kids don't go backwards digging that far like to them you know looking backwards means I'll watch all of parks and wreck they're not taking into the 90s right uh they go to 2015 and people forget that when the Larry Sanders show came on the air you know the shows on uh HBO it was like uh first in 10 or not necessarily the news or Dream On You Know Gary was the first show on HBO that made HBO Go oh this is what HBO should be we should be the quality uh network with all of with this

23:36kind of groundbreaking television and uh you know Gary was a guy who got offered all the talk shows he got offered to replace Letterman um he was hosting the Tonight Show for Johnny uh him and Leno would would uh take turns doing it and he decided he'd rather saiz it than do it you know and then he wanted to to explore the people and not be a talk show host he wanted to show like the world of ego that is not just talk shows but just show business he was fascinated with people's need for attention his own need for attention his own vanity and narcissism and he wanted to explore that and and saiz how we just want to be liked so badly like what we do to be liked which prevents us from actually feeling love because we're so obsessed with approval do you talk to Jay do you are you friends with Jay Leno yeah Jay and I were talking about um what it was like to host the Tonight Show and how

24:35much more fun he has now doing Comedians and Cars or not Comedians and Cars Jay Leno's garage yes and because that's what he really loves he really loves cars and he gets to be himself while he's doing this he doesn't have to have people on that he doesn't want like he he just has people on to talk to them about cars and stuff and has comics on and all kinds of people on but you know when he was talking about like having that show he's like you would have people on that you didn't give a about and you had to talk to them and for Jay that was most everybody yeah because he loves certain things but he doesn't love sports right he's not a massive movie fan but you get him going on the things he cares about like cars yeah he's fascinated but that I think was some of the fun of watching The Tonight Show Jay interviewing a young actress and you know he doesn't care at

25:24all and how is he going to make it amusing for himself and the audience did you see the Hicks bit that hicks did about Jay interviewing Joey Lawrence and he blows his brains out and it forms the NBC Peacock on the wall I mean I always felt that I always thought that was very unfair the the Hicks and The Andy Kindler criticisms of Leno you know Leno was you know and is you know one of the great standups of all time I mean in a club you'd see Leno in the ' 80s nobody touches it he was just the most fun guy and still I saw him recently the still is and you know he made a call to you know to be America's host beat everyone for forever forever was was proven completely correct but there was this idea that it was a betrayal of his Club Persona that some comedians were so mad about and I don't know how you could be mad at anybody for deciding how to run their show cuz you know as we've seen

26:29with other people sometimes snarky guy runs out of gas in two years and you know Jay found the space that was comfortable for him and God was he nice to me every time I was there he's a great guy and always super funny when I was on the show and super nice would put me on when I wasn't doing standup just as a director just because he liked me as a person um and uh and a really a good class guy and and in the shaning documentary fascinating describing his observations of Gary his observations about talk shows uh I mean what a ride he went on to that world of being a talk show host there's not a lot of wiggle room especially back then you know as opposed to now now with the internet I think a lot of like subject matter and a lot of language has opened up more you can kind of get it like if you see like what's going on now with uh with Seth Myers or you know any of the

27:24other late night talk show hosts they have much more room like look at corbe rather coar said that you know Donald Trump the president uses Putin like uses his M like Putin uses his mouth as a holster like he said that on television with the phrase holster yes they beeped it out do you not aware of that I'm not I have not it was a crazy long rant and it was really hilarious because Trump trump uh came back and and said a bunch of think about coar and being tasteless and talentless and being a loser and all these different things and Co bear came back again he goes Donald Trump he goes I thought if there was one thing you understood it's Show Business and he goes you responded he goes you responded I win you don't understand like and it was it was really hilarious well Trump can't help but respond yeah he has no ability to go it demeans me to acknowledge you exist he doesn't

28:19understand that and so I think he's easily baited into any of those situations which is I think a little is what scares people because you think if coar can bait him what about other countries in very serious situations what what baits him into action that he shouldn't take well he blocks people on Twitter yeah he's the president and people trying to they're trying to figure out like is that like a First Amendment issue like was it am I allowed to communicate with the president directly through Twitter well now I can't because he blocks me is he allowed to block people so there's people that are considering lawsuits right now doesn't Donald Trump understand you should just be muting people just mute them Donald you don't have to no he wants him to know I want him to know Maga mag has block I like blocking people I love blocking people the second I see anything I block someone even if

29:08they say one of my movies was just okay it doesn't have to be that mean boom I'll never see you again wow really if somebody says that was that was pretty good I'll block him I'll block him on almost a compliment W almost some weird underhanded stuff if you're not kissing my ass pretty hard you're gone that's that's my Twitter Theory I like it you know I don't even need you to call me a Jew that's the funny thing is that when people say nasty things uh on Twitter they always start sounding like they make sense but then bail at the end you know so they'll just be like you know uh give give the president a chance you know he was duly elected by the American people and go jump into nothing it's always like the two beat the the oh they're saying that to you yeah it sounds sane and it always lands on jump at an oven the Jew stuff exactly yeah the go well do you take a lot of heat

30:01for criticizing the president do you don't I I don't it's pretty I mean I don't think I'm saying anything that anyone else isn't saying because I have a simple theory about all this stuff which is I don't think rich people want you to be rich I think that people are trying to be told that rich people really can handle everything and if you let the rich people have all the money they they're just going to figure it all out and in fact last night was an interesting night because Donald Trump said uh he doesn't want poor people in charge of the economy and what what he said that yeah he said he goes I want rich people but it's what he's not understanding is there are public servants who have not made the choice to be billionaires who actually understand you know economic theories better than you know the head of Walmart or something that just because you were

30:52able to figure out how to sell M&M's doesn't mean you can run the economy there are people that they don't want to be rich they want to help other people and they are uh very smart about ways to help the government work well and you know that's like saying uh Martin Luther King's a loser because he wasn't Rich he's not smart and this only rich people know how to do things I find so offensive and I'm very surprised that people who aren't billionaires aren't more offended at the contempt that they're held in cuz you could disagree on economic theory you could say I believe in trickle down economics or I don't believe in trickle down economics but this is a government that thinks if you're not a billionaire you're an idiot really think he thinks that he said it last night I mean it's not it's literally a speech which is would you want poor people in charge of the

31:49economy which is the argument for having like the head of Goldman Sachs in charge of the economy but yet what is a poor person how's he defining it is he defining it as an idiot failure or someone who hasn't decided to milk uh this world for as much money as they can get out of it some people are happy to make a comfortable living and try to be giving to other people and they can be very helpful uh being part of our government you don't have to be the head of Goldman Sachs uh to be uh to be uh someone who can change people's lives for the better he thinks you just get the head of Exxon the head of Goldman Sachs but sometimes you don't want the head of xon you want someone that's thought about international relations their entire lives and maybe they've always made 200 Grand a year that do okay that's not poor like what it depends on what you're how you're

32:38defining poor ex yes and how he defines poor yeah I mean when you say you don't want a poor person running the economy I think one argument for that would be you don't want anybody who wants radical redistribution of wealth one one article one um argument whether rather would be someone who says like what we need to do is we need to figure out who the richest people in the world that own 90% of the money and then just take that money and distribute it to everyone else like this is there's some pretty radical arguments from poor people I don't think he's saying that I think I think he equates poor with idiot he wasn't saying I don't want the you know a Bernie Sanders type he was saying I want he considers like the head of Goldman Sachs to be the smartest man in the world where there are people who who don't seek to make that much money who are very smart and

33:25certainly capable of doing things I think he sees people who are not the heads of Industry as being incapable of being in charge of aspects of the government right because that's his world this world is the world of super rich people and if you're not a super rich person you're a loser well that's the thing it's all a winner loser economy which is I find fascinating because he is basically calling most of the world a loser yeah in his world and so yeah you could debate I mean I always think most people don't even understand most of what they talk about with politics like when you talk about wealth redistribution that a lot of people have theories but they actually don't know anything about uh they have no information that there no one's read a book about it and has very few people very few I mean literally less than 1% l% who arguing about it on a regular

34:14basis they've seen a few Clips on Fox News yes and they have this idea in their head of what it is exactly and I think that's what's wrong with our country is no one knows anything about anything on either side like people don't know uh you know deeply about uh the environment there's very few people who sit down and read the study very few people right now are going to read that health care bill that is before the Senate right like how many people do you think what percentage of the country think is going to sit down and read any part of it less than one tenth of 1% will destroy their lives if they get sick and they don't have coverage and who knows maybe it's perfect and we don't understand it but people won't bother to know anything about it well it's like global warming you talk to the average person on the right or the average person on the about global warming and you will see like

35:03it's really strange how you see these ideologically driven ideas that they have in their head about what global warming is what causes it and you can almost guess based on their reaction to it whether they're Republican or whether they're liberal yes and people you know obviously everyone talks about this but people have chosen a side and so now anything that that side does people are okay with it yeah and so when sudden we're so soft on Russia and then all these you know being a republican used to be so about the evil empire and on a dime it's like people like Russia well look what they did with Wikileaks wikil everyone's turned on Wikileaks Wikileaks used to be the champion of information used to be these are the people that are trying to let you know all the that's going on behind the scenes we're finding out all these secret emails we're sharing them with the world we're

35:52we're we have a media dump we're dumping everything now it's Wikileaks is Putin's puppet and Wikileaks is working for Putin the left is turned on Wikileaks was quite fascinating well both sides will switch based on what serves them in the moment yeah but it's dark man it's really weird when you see when you see it so obvious and it's so flippant like there's not a lot of thought put into this like you're talking about someone like in Julian Assange I'm not a giant Julian Assange fan as a human being but I think what he's done is pretty goddamn courageous and he taken a huge hit for it I mean he's been stuck in this Embassy in London forever if he leaves he will immediately be arrested and who knows what's going to happen to him if that happens so this and this guy's still out there trying to distribute information well it's about is it's selective you

36:43know if a guy like that is just I mean obviously the issues are is he putting people's lives at risk with mega dumps which you know reveal sources and things like that but also is he you know is he manipulated to release things to serve uh different you know political groups is he doing it on purpose in one way or the other where's the stuff on the Republicans you know if we had all the all the emails of the Republicans planning the Trump campaign uh we'd have a whole another story to tell now is it impossible to get their emails do they just have the best computers in the world and there's no way to get their emails or depends on what the story is like you know that they believe I mean it's so hard to figure out what happened here but that Seth rich guy according to uh kim.com and according to Julian Assange he leaked he was a Bernie Sanders supporter he worked for the DNC

37:35he leaked some of the information that showed that the DNC was colluding and what they were trying to do was uh they were conspiring to keep Bernie Sanders from winning the primary yes and it proved to be true that that they actually did do that and Julian Assange um was saying after that guy got shot that somehow or another he was alluding to that if you work with us there are consequen so you had someone who was a a renegade inside the DNC who released that dump you don't have anybody like that on the the Republican side it doesn't mean that the Wikileaks is corrupt it just means that no one on the Republican side has done that only one guy according to them I don't know if it's true they some people say Russia did it but according to Julian Assange and according to kim.com who's apparently somehow or another involved at least part of it had to do with this Seth rich guy that

38:25doesn't mean that they're like trying to exclusively release stuff that makes Democrats look bad it just means no one's done it on the Republican side just because the information doesn't exist doesn't mean there's some sort of collusion well that's I guess the mystery of it I don't really know anything about the Seth Rich case what what is that cuz I know people are mad about he's the guy that was he worked for the DNC and he was murdered outside of his apartment at 4: in the morning they said it was a robbery but this there's a giant conspiracy theory to attach to it but but I'm just going to relay the facts his wallet was left his phone was left his watch was left his valuables that he might have been robbed of his money all that stuff was there so he's just murdered and they never found who killed him and then immediately Julian Assange was alluding to the idea

39:15that this guy was helping them and that he was murdered because that and that has been hotly uh contested and of course uh the Fox News narrative has like gone like Sean Hann has made a big deal out of it saying we're going to get to the bottom of this ladies and gentlemen which makes me more suspicious that it's not true but yeah it is a possibility that he was one of the people that was releasing information I would imagine if you worked for the DNC especially if you were a Bernie Sanders supporter and you saw what they were doing what they were doing is essentially they were they were hijacking the Democratic process from inside from the Democratic party and if you were a Bernie Sanders supporter it would be horrifying it would really piss you off and especially if you're someone who's idealistic you've got this idea of like what the future could be under

40:05Bernie Sanders and you realize your own party is him in the ass and so I don't know how much he released or if he released or if he was only one part of it or Russia was a part of it as well and hacking to the DNC but the bottom line at the end of the day is exposed corruption I mean that's really what it was there's absolute clear corruption in the DNC yeah and everybody got away with it the woman was in charge she went and left and went immediately to work for Hillary's campaign and you know it's it wasn't good stuff it was all bad no matter what no matter who re released it it just showed you how gross the system is yeah to the core yeah all the way around on both sides because I'm not a big conspiracy theorist I should be but I why should you be I guess that there's always more going on than we think but I also think that most people are too dumb to not get caught almost every single

40:58time yeah you say that but there's a lot of that happens where people do get caught eventually and you realize oh like how long were you guys running this what's your favorite conspiracy theory that turned out to be true it's hard to say whether it turned out to be true but JFK is the biggest one and where did you land on that I landed on that it's very possible very possible that Lee Harvey oswal was involved it's very possible that other people involved too it's very possible that he shot at Kennedy and other people shot at Kennedy at the same time that he was a py and he was put up like he was obviously involved in a lot of intelligence agency Shenanigans he went to Russia he married a Russian woman came back to the United States he had been involved in all sorts of communist propaganda he was definitely not like an above ground guy he was a shady dude and it's entirely

41:55possible that he was one person out of a plot to kill the president and they put it all on him and they had Jack Ruby shoot him but everybody goes black and white on that you either go Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone or you go he was innocent and the CIA had him assassinated because he was trying to get rid of the CIA which he was I mean Kennedy was trying to pull us out of Vietnam he was trying to get rid of the CIA he was trying to get rid of the uh the um uh the the Federal Reserve he there was a lot of like super controversial ideas that Kennedy was trying to push forward and someone killed him I always go to the simple thing which is why would Jack Ruby shoot him right yeah because a lot of people say oh he was just a patriot who got mad and happened to be there but I I which maybe makes perfect sense but if he was told to do it it's such a suicide end up

42:45in jail for the rest of your life mission yeah it doesn't make to me it falls things like that fall apart there that's what's so funny they do but it's also possible they told him listen just shoot him we'll get you off we will find some sort of a way like or they might have had something horrible on him Jack Ruby was clearly embedded in the MOB the mob was angry at Kennedy because they helped Kennedy win they helped him win Illinois yes you know I mean they helped him become the president and there was absolute evidence that they were mad at him once he became president because then he started doing things that were against their interest there's a lot of people pissed off at Kennedy that's what's funny about the current Russia scandal because it's a similar thing where there's just so much going on I keep saying to people you're not hearing this defense from all the Trump people well

43:34we met with Peru eight times we met with with the English people like they they're just not having those meetings there's not all those connections with any other country but Russia not only that this whole thing about Flynn and that the the intelligence agencies were warning that Flynn was compromised and that the he could be black mailed by Russia like they had things on them what they had on them we don't know but they're very convinced that there was evidence against Flynn and that the Trump Administration knew this and they were still entertaining talks with him they're still bringing him on board and what's fascinating is this world of international lobbyists like Paul manfor what are they doing did you did you see this uh thing where Paul Mani for's kids someone hacked their phones and they had all these texts where they were talking about how horrible their dad was and how

44:30he's responsible for people getting killed oh no and there seem and who knows if any of that's true but there's an entire world of Americans going overseas and being involved in dirty politics and the work of uh governments like the Ukraine that we don't have any clue about what what that is yeah it's one of the last Frontiers for really diabolical you know like Russia is one of the last like what he had what he is what what Putin stands for is like one of the last brutal military dictators that's kind of in a costume yes he's in a costume as the President of Russia but we all know like he murders people that oppose him he murders journalists he murders political candidates that are running against him I mean he's he's a terrifying guy what do you think it means that that Trump just loves him just it's not good he just he he admires I think he admires the take no guy

45:32yeah I think he does and I think there's also the possibility that he feels that what Putin stands for is like he's this powerful superpower and it's better to be friends with them than it is to be enemies let's just cozy up hey I wish I could do a lot of the you do a lot of people talk about me on Twitter I wish I could have them killed I mean there it's entirely possible that he thinks along those lines because I think it's probably from Decades of trump dealing with the mob in New York and Atlantic City and he probably developed a point of view about how you deal with evil people yeah and how you have to make deals and how be friends with them I think a lot of rich people think everyone doesn't understand this is how the world works this is how the sausage gets made oo yeah and that's why they do crazy stuff cuz they just go everyone else is naive yeah and just get me in a

46:27room with Putin get me a back Channel we'll figure it out like right the back Channel with Kushner it's like sitting down with a mob figuring out your price for cement that's what he thinks the Putin back channel is like we'll figure it out we we'll we'll come up with and I think it seems like Trump like likes the idea of that what you present is a lie and what you do in private is figuring out Solutions and that that's how the world works that it's all full of yeah and that that is the way you get away with everything that's how the world works that's the justification hey it's how the world Works which is so different than Bush who was religious and had this thought we are going to go to other countries we're going to take down these leaders and they are going to find Freedom and we're all going to change for the positive when they don't have these dictators Trump is an old

47:23school guy who's like you need the dictators to keep all these in yeah but meanwhile he's kind of right I mean look what happens when you take the dictators out you create this power vacuum and the places are way more chaotic look at Libya right it's a failed State now he got rid of Gaddafi everybody's happy Hillary Clinton was on TV they did an interview with her was she's cheering she's like laughing about we came we saw he died ha do you see that the the air thing I think that's what makes the world so impossible to manage right now which is is you know it's like we tried this this you know this approach of let's let's make these people a democracy but you can't force people to want a democracy also they're conditioned to being in a dictatorship they've lived that way their whole life and there's all these other people when you get rid of Gaddafi it doesn't mean he's the only piece of

48:18there there's a million other pieces of that are wondering how they get to that guy's position and he's keeping them down and murdering people and trying to keep keep and so their entire life that's the Paradigm they've operated under they've watched this happen they've seen this one Central brutal murderous figure control everyone else when that's gone it's not all Kum bya all of a sudden it creates this power vacuum and then everybody's clamoring to see who takes that guy's spot and now you have Isis steps in and Libya is just straight chaos and there's seems to be no solution to that almost no solution right because there's a there's a massive religious tribal War happening where if we if we didn't exist they were they would just be fighting each other right and that's what happened that's what we were warned about with Iraq like people that didn't understand Iraq

49:09including Bush did not understand if you take Saddam Hussein out of the picture who is kind of secular what you're left with is this Sunni Shia Civil War and you're going to have this crazy situation where these two different sects of Islam are going to kill each other no one saw that coming I mean well you know who did did see that coming Janine G did she yeah cuz I remember watching her on CNN and there was a there was a massive protest against going into Iraq before we went to war and she said this is what's going to happen if we go there and she laid that out well she's a gnome Chomsky fan yeah and she said these people are going to attack each other we're going to create a mess that is going to be we're going to open a Pandora's Box and there are no weapons of mass destruction and we should wait and we don't have enough information and she really took a

49:58beating uh for being a a in strong opposition to invading Iraq and every single thing that she said would happen in the next 10 years happened and she wasn't the only person there were plenty of people I remember when 911 happened Norman maor was on U he was on Charlie Rose like that week and he said this is exactly what's going to happen and he explained the wars that would happen where they would happen he and then he said and this is what's going to happen as a result of those Wars and and laid out the mess that was created and he said you'll see we we do not have the strength to not take these steps I should clarify I don't know if Janine's a a really a gome Chomsky fan but I know CH Chomsky was saying that like he was pretty adamant about that like very early on I just watched the Chomsky documentary on Netflix he an interesting guy yeah and it was fascinating and it

50:53had one simple idea which also I think a lot of people don't realize uh which is just that our country how it's set up is is meant to protect people from the people with money from the land owners as it was more back then and the basic theory is that that the people with the wealth and corporations are not served by democracy if democracy is functioning it is not in the favor of the wealthy or corporate interests and so as a result they always have to be against democracy because if there if if Republicans don't have voter suppression then everything is going to change in favor of what the population wants to do so that there'll always be incentives for having less people vote and to to making democracy not function the way that it should because clearly you could have voter motor ID where when you get your driver's license you're registered for the whole country you

52:02could have everyone in the country vote by mail you could have everyone vote by computer you could make it so you would have 80 90% of people voting but that goes against corporate interests and so they fight to say uh there's you know all these fake votes when there there isn't and so that protects corporate interests and it's uh it's a really interesting documentary that just came up I guess in the last year what's it called um oh we're about to find out it's see I like that the computer is searching as we speak there's a lot of people that are resisting the idea of people voting online but we Bank online it's ridiculous of course you'd be able to vote well we certainly could get more people voting it's fascinating that there's other countries like Russia trying to to get into that oh reum for the American dream uh yeah it's it's worth it's worth seeing I mean I I don't

52:59really you know some of these things I don't have the strongest opinions on because well it's pretty it's it's very complicated and it's like what you said you just you never know what new mess you're creating I was talking to this actor right um who does a lot of charity work around the world very famous actor and he said you know I was working uh on this project to dig wells in a community in Africa and then we dug the wells and it was incredible for this community and then the neighboring Community came and murdered everybody for the wells he goes that's what it's like trying to save people and to help people in the world there's always something that results that you did not anticipate that makes it even more complicated yeah and I feel it's that way with most issues that you you think it's this but you've set off that and uh and it takes I where I come down is you need an incredibly

53:55intelligent person to be in the middle of making these choices and just generally with Trump I don't think he's that smart and I I think that he is very you know a very self-involved narcissistic person and we can debate uh choices but it doesn't seem like the like the person who has the depth to make these calls well I don't think anybody really is qualified to run 350 million people I just think it's a ridiculous proposition but I think you're definitely right also he he sets the tone for the mindset of the country I mean it it really is we we have this alpha male chimpanzee thing going on where the one like Obama love him or hate him was a very articulate really well-spoken calm and measured guy and I think that's very good for America to have this guy who's smarter than anybody you know and he's running the country like you feel like okay well this guy's

54:54obviously look he he he ever stutters he knows what he's talking about and very moderate yeah I mean when you get down to it what I find interesting is Obama was so moderate after the banking uh issues he didn't go after the bankers he didn't send anyone to jail he propped up those businesses so the fact that like the banks so want to get rid of him it makes me go how much money is enough this guy's still basically on your side Hillary's basically still on your side they were mad when their bonus were minimalized remember that exactly after coll bailed they got billions of dollars in bail money and they still wanted their bonuses I have a contract my contract says I got a Bonus they're just thinking about their house and they're yacht and people got bonuses even though the economy collapsed even though the economy collapsed as a direct result of the industry that they were involved in

55:47and the businesses they were running they still got bonuses it's really crazy and and what's interesting is that I guess most people they don't connect that and they're not fear ious like right now they're trying to get rid of the compu the Consumer Protection Bureau that keeps an eye on the banks they're trying to defang them and people you would think that people who want their guns would also say but I would like consumer protection so you don't screw me on my credit card but for some reason because it doesn't align up with their team exactly they don't care about the issues that are that would protect them isn't that super dangerous to have a right and a left I mean it's just cuz you always you go for independent candidates lot right you're looking for third party and what prevents there from being a logical third party well I think we had it with Ross pero right I think

56:35Ross bro was a logical third party and it became very dangerous for people and that's one of the reasons why the commission for presidential debates changed the threshold like you back then you needed 5% in the primary in order to be included in the debates you put Ross Pro in the debate as an independent and extremely wealthy man who understands a lot about tax codes understands a lot about forign foreign relations and he became like a huge problem and most likely cost uh Herbert Walker Bush his second term right yes and then that's why Clinton became president in the first place and the threshold is what now to get in those debates well I mean Bernie Sanders is kind of an independent right I mean is obviously that his part's not on his side we we prove that with the DNC leaks that they're they're conspiring against him there the his actual own party which is the same as

57:23changing the threshold so the Third Party candidate can't be in the debate right it's just another version of that exactly yeah it's another version of that well then you find out the commission for presidential debates is a it's it's not even a a national thing it's like a privately funded thing it's a it's a private company like they can choose like how they like what like oh let's make it 15% you have to get 15% and then they could just change it like that guy was a problem that guy was a pain in the ass let's change the threshold yeah what could go wrong yeah are you I mean there are people who feel like left and right are the same thing when you really get down to it or they're protecting the same interests in some way are you a believer in that or or not I think that the most of the people that are on the left and most of the people on the right aren't even

58:15really thinking about whatever their party stands for they are just like you said they are sticking with the team whether it's the left team or the right team I think um they I think radical ideologies whether it's on the left or the right they share a lot of common traits and one of the things they share is this complete lack of objectivity lack of objectivity and lack of introspective thought in terms of like what their part is actually doing what it means to be a liberal what it means to be Progressive what it means to be Republican what it means to be conservative you just get into this groove like this is what we do global warming it's not real you know and then this and you can't be racist against a white person like you people have these ridiculous ideas on the left and on the right they just dig their heels into the sand they don't even think about and they just go with

59:02it because that's what the party says and it's just a game because after after the election I called a lot of politicians and a bunch of journalists was just trying to get a sense of what's going on how could I get involved what was there to do and it was really dispiriting it was all reactive everyone was like well we have to see what they do to decide how to react and I was like so you were just super upset that Trump won yeah I could see what was about to happen and everything I was concerned about did happen but they basically all said well you have to let him do his thing to then react and then have the population React to what he did and did you have any concerns at all about Hillary well I I think uh it reminded me a little bit of uh I mean I'm aware of what those issues are but I do think you know there are large choices that just affect millions and

59:56hundreds of millions of people like for instance when a guy like Donald Trump says we're not going to give money to any Aid Service around the world that says anything about abortion forget giving out abortions if they hand out a pamphlet and it says that's an option they don't get money so if you're a country in Africa and there's only one AIDS Aid Service that like feeds starving people but you also hand out a pamphlet on abortion you don't get any of the money anymore no I agree Trump's up and a lot of the things he does are up but did you have any problem at all with Hillary like did you well I I've had a big issue that she does not seem to understand uh certain issues like the speech getting paid for the speeches right that that her blind spot and she has revealed to still have it after the election that like uh why did I go there because I got paid uh you you know and I

60:47guess they've made you know over hundred million giving speeches Bill and Hillary Clinton which on one level you go yeah you know people don't understand I'm going to go do a a a standup corporate gig and it's crazy money there's a crazy corporate speech money floating out there yeah but wait a minute I'm not defending it no no I'm not defending it yet I'm just saying she has a blind spot to what to the potential for corruption that people see in that and that she when you're when you're getting I mean well one article said it was like $150 billion between the two of them over like 10 years or so the fact that she doesn't even have a good game to to defend it that you can't go up against Trump and say he's corrupt while you're getting that much money from corporate interests like she never even saw how offensive it was that it's the kind of thing that Bernie Sanders doesn't do so

61:45people go well at least he's not lining his pockets with that money Hillary's basically saying I I line my pockets with that money but I still have my own opinions and the blind spot at least to the outrage of it is something that I I that threw me but ultimately the main choices that she wanted to make on a lot of issues are so much more in line with what I believe than Trump that although not a perfect candidate you know Trump is doing you know he's he's trying to get this Health Care thing through and doesn't seem that concerned about the amount of people that are get kicked off so I I I gu that there are certain things I sucked up about it I didn't have a core think that she's like a terrible person but I think it it's it's pretty hard to get me to that place with people I I always need a little bit more proof of that but certainly I think she represents someone who's dishonest

62:40though and that's a real problem when you're going have the leader of this incredible country and someone who's clearly dishonest and it's been dishonest for a long time like when they talked to her about the emails every interview she gave about it she would give varying responses a lot of them were dishonest a lot of it was not based on facts when she compared what she said Comey said to her during the investigation versus what Comey was saying publicly they were totally different things oh I I I totally understand and I think that there's a lot of politics that's really bad and really dirty and I I don't know enough on each specific thing to have a you know a position on each thing that she said but I do feel like there are people who are playing the game with service in mind and maybe they're getting dirty making mistakes with service in mind and

63:27then there are people like Trump that I really don't understand why he's there and his General philosophy um is let the smart rich people get richer and something nice might happen for you that he's so dishonest on a level that you can't compare to Hillary it's just so I mean he admits that he's a liar uh no I'm fully with you on this I think that whenever people criticize Trump or whenever the people talk about Hillary rather the one of the first things they do is say Trump is worse they they instead of like talking about how weird like she's such an non idal candidate like she was such a terrible candidate she didn't believe in gay marriage until 2013 I mean 2013 she was publicly stating that gay marriage should be it should not be legal that a marriage a legal marriage should be between a man and a woman and clearly for only political reasons like she obviously had

64:20no issue with it at all and I agree with you I feel like there is a part of politics where people people you know like say my position was evolving on that when no your position wasn't evolving you just weren't fighting for what you actually believe and Obama took a while to to make big moves on that right um but I still think at core people like that are trying to figure out the system to help people and I can't say I understand what Trump is in this for other than to be considered the the greatest winner of all time yeah I think that's prob exactly it I I don't think he really wanted to be president I think he was doing it to sort of boost his brand and along the way he lost his television show right when he was doing all that Build That Wall and running you know the the wall just got 10 feet higher and NBC was like you man we're canceling your show and when

65:13they did that I think he was like oh yeah well I'm really going to be president now and he kept going and going and going and then he won I mean it seems to me like the whole thing was started almost as a publicity campaign like a fun thing what if his people said that there was a woman in publicity for him who left she's the only person I know who left the campaign for this reason I forgot her name but it was very public this wasn't a she said it publicly that when it started the plan was to come in second to help the brand to get some Fame to make some statements about what he believes with no belief that it was possible that he would do better than second in the Republican primaries and then the woman said as it became clear that they had a really good shot of winning she said oh I wasn't in it for this and what I find fascinating to watch is Trump slowly getting

66:04comfortable with power as as he thinks he's figuring it out is interesting like uh I mean even the Jared Kushner thing is kind of hilarious you have this son-in-law so now you have a blind spot that anyone in the world thinks it's weird that you give your son-in-law a real estate developer so much power and he doesn't care at all cuz he doesn't trust anybody except like four people so he's got to give them all the power but he puts them in charge of fixing everything wrong with the infrastructure of government and the Middle East and two or three other things and Trump doesn't understand how insane that appears and also how each task is impossible like like this is my sonla he's going to fix government and the Middle East the the type of guy that doesn't realize well maybe there's one person for each of those jobs is that's where I just go oh he's full out crazy

67:01because who would even do that to their son-in-law maybe his son-in-law is a pain in the ass he's like this kid thinks he can do things all right I'll give you the worst job ever go fix government go fix the Middle East I got it I'm going to prove my worth to you sir and and he's sitting there with his Rayban sunglasses and his preppy outfit I mean it you know it's become so comical you know it's a fascinating thing because it's both terrifying and comical like if this was a movie it's too broad and you wouldn't believe it right you would just go too much is happening in every scene too many crazy thoughts and what I guess I guess what I wonder maybe you have an opinion about this there are people who say you know it is the destruction of Truth when you just make these lies up all day long that you change the definition of Truth or even people's ability to decide what they think is the

67:58truth um is that a philosophy that someone like Bannon is executing in the white house or something that happens randomly and and and is organic out of them that's a real good question I mean there's always the concept absolute power corrupts absolutely and knowing that you're in some sort of a competition knowing that you are uh there's people trying to knock you down and you're in this position of power and you're Shoring up your defenses and I think there's a lot of weird stuff that goes on whenever you're the winning team and you realize you're being attacked at all angles by this other team and then you've got this guy who's the head guy who's a Maniac he's got fake hair he he puts a spray tan on every day he's out there his his eyes are white no one tells him his face is orange he's saying insane he contradicts himself all the time he lies all the

68:55time about numbers he's always bragging about how well his ratings are and how shows do really well CU everybody knows he watches the show it's crazy stuff that you just don't expect from someone who's in the position of President of the United States I think almost all bets are off at this point that's the one thing that I find promising about this that people are so upset by how up this is this is that they're going to get politically active and that they're going to realize like there's some real holes in this system like the FBI like the president shouldn't just be able to fire the head of the FBI because you don't like the investigation that's insane and and and sessions recuse himself but he can fire the guy investigating himself insane it's all insane but I I guess what my fear would be is that when it's it it just swings back the other way like you could just swing

69:47left right left right but any institutional Pro protections ever put in place because it just swings back like for instance say like we don't you know I'm not an expert in healthcare but let's assume it's just a stor right and in a year or two whatever millions of people are losing their Healthcare and every day you're just hearing about hundreds of people who have cancer who can't pay for their medicine what happens in this country do people get mad at the Republicans do they vote them out or to somehow not enough sick people there's not enough sick people to make the change I think there's so many issues there's so many in issues that like where do you draw the line do you draw the line at them taking the teeth out of the EPA which is what they've done the Environmental Protection Agency is now I mean they're removing the satellites that track global warming

70:37they're they're they're they're stopping funding for all these different initiatives and all these different programs and all these different studies they're trying to figure out what the is going on with the planet they're like that that that stop all that what we really need is Enron and Exxon and all these different companies big conglomerates big Corporation we need to drill we need to drill we need to Frack we need to go over where you know Alaska and in the Antarctica get in that ground pull that oil out and and it's it that's that's scary and then you hear the healthc care well well that's scary too and then you hear the Russian well that's scary North Korea oh that's scary there's so many different things to be scared about I don't think people who don't have cancer don't have diseases are really considering all this Healthcare stuff I think it's one of

71:25those things that happens once you have a health issue then you realize how the system is and especially if you don't have the money to take care of it you're like wow like our medical system in this country is not it's not the best we have the best doctors we certainly have the best surgeons and we have some pretty amazing Innovative medicine but when it comes to the the the system itself for like when you find out how much people have to pay when they go to the doctor and how about you you have insurance well your insurance only covers so much you still have to pay more sure my mom died of ovarian cancer and I just remember going through those bills and there was a lot of experimental medicine that potentially could save her and you didn't know if insurance would say this is the type of approach that they're willing to pay for right and anything you needed to do

72:15you'd have to prove you needed it someone says you needed you know a new cat scan and you've had two that year you might have to go to war to say why you need it now and uh I crunchers I'm just always fascinated that it doesn't line up for people like say you love the outdoors and you love hunting well don't you love the environment right and so why are you not really pissed or Trump's going to build a wall and he's going to take a lot of people's land away to build the wall well I thought that was the big issue for all these militia groups don't mess with our land yeah and so is that what he's going to do he's going to take land away to build the wall well the only way to build the wall in a lot of land a lot of private lands I mean it's a it's a that's a jagged path to when you're building that wall and you have to you know you have to take away a lot of people's land to to

73:05pull that off uh so that's what scares me the most about America is there's an illogic to people's opinions I think there's too many variables I think there's too many things to for people to consider and I think people work all day and then they have hobbies and families and things they enjoy doing and they don't have the time to really sit I mean each one of those issues would require a full-time job all day long investigating it debating it discussing it whether it's Flynn's ties to Russia or what session knows and how many times did he speak to the Russians or what what did Jared Kushner actually do in the Middle East like what is he doing in the overall each one of those is a full-time job yeah what is he saying to Netanyahu alone in the room how do they let him do that he looks like such a dork did you see the pictures of him with the bulletproof vest on overseas and hanging

73:55around with the actual soldiers and he's sitting there with his Ray bands on and his masking tape with his name Magic markered on it and I don't know it's it's a comedy I had to say as a creative person who's going to be at the Wilbur oh when when he at the Wilbur where did I get the Wilbur this is called the midow uh plug everybody uh The Wilbur in Boston uh just added a l show for charity for the after school programs for Boston Arts July 24th the wilbur.wmv favorite theaters in the world the best and the best crowds amazing it's incredible and it feels like you're in a club there's a thousand people in there but they're all in in three tiers and so it's very short it's like three 300 seat comedy clubs jammed in there together yeah it's the perfect layout for comedy it really is and then I'll be in uh Providence Rhode Island at the Columbus Theater uh July 25th and at the

74:48Ridgefield Playhouse in Ridgefield Connecticut July 23rd and I'm taping my special in Montreal at the just for last Festival cuz they seem to be amused by me there oh that's an amazing place to do it at the festival you at the festival how many shows you going to do I'm doing five shows I'm taping four of them oh that's a good move I like that I like when I hear that I hate when I hear someone taping one show no no I I I could panic and ruin one show I could I could actually if I did only two shows I could Panic the first show and then go okay now I only have one show to get it and panic again who you doing your special for uh for Netflix oh yeah that's the way to go it was my turn nice and so and I haven't done something like that since basically the HBO young comedian special in 1992 with Ray Romano the guy who got fired so you could have your career no he didn't he got he got fired so

75:39somebody else could take it and then that guy fired and I got I took his I don't know who the in between some guy was on the pilot there was a guy on the pilot that was not Ray Ray got fired and another guy took his spot and then that guy fired and I took that guy spot wow Paul Sims was vicious vicious he was going to get it done I was around a little bit of in the the news radio days just as a friend of Paul's and Andy dicks and that show is a show that holds up and is really funny yeah well I was just happy that there was a buffer between me and Rey because I love Ry I would not have wanted to be the guy that takes Ray's job I think Ray is one of the first people to tell you he probably was not prepared as an actor at that exact moment what was the wrong gig for him you know the Everybody Loves Raymond was the perfect gig let him write for himself and let him you know

76:25figure it all out and become obsessed with it he's such a good guy too oh he's the best Ray Romano is like one of the nicest people I've ever met and so good in our movie The Big sick honestly the dream part so funny so real very I mean it's the culmination of everything he's learned as an actor and a and a and a person uh so I'm very excited about that remember he was doing that TBS thing he was doing like a drama for a while yeah yeah men of a certain age depressed dudes that's what I called it bunch of depressed dudes I called it the jet appat story uh and uh yeah he's he's so he's so good he was on Parenthood for a while um and I've gotten to spend a little time with him because of this movie but it is funny that we were on the young comedian special in 1992 that is amazing and now you're back at it and now I now I'm back doing it again so you you've done stand up now for three years

77:20since yeah since 2014 three years straight and then like what like how many years in you're like I think I've got a special here they asked me to do it a year ago and I said okay give me one more year so that's very honest of you well you know everybody's so good I mean I was performing the other night in the original room and you were in the main room and I could hear the place rocking from the stage of the original room maybe my crowd was too quiet that I could hear you I could hear your laughs and you just you know talking loud and and and so I always think wow people are so good right now people people are Masters at this and I I can't be mediocre at it I mean I'm in the same business as you and Maria Bamford and Lou CK and Hannibal and and I have to be able to be proud of what I'm doing so yeah Joey Diaz and Bill Burr this is this is a different time there's so many

78:18murderers out there right now yeah I mean I was watching Burr I did a Largo show that he was on and I was just watching him from the side of the stage and just his level of intensity is so you know in a weird it's so professional and I noticed it with you the other night too that you could get yourself in that state where you care so much and you're so passionate and it requires so much energy and focus to get to that place to perform with that passion it's just really impressive because like for me I can just get tired and start staring at my shes I just get tired halfway through like oh I I just felt a wave of like like after you eat a big meal and you just get tired like it just hits you 8 minutes in well what I'm always trying to accomplish is trying to get out whatever I'm trying to talk about with the most power that I can like the most like what's the best way

79:07to do it is the best way to do it slow and calm and let people soak in the idea or is the best way to do it to be intense and F like what is like the most entertaining way that I would be engaging this material and figure whatever that is and and with it and move it around and bring it up and bring it down and that's one of the things where the store is such a great place to focus on that kind of stuff because there's so many killers and because the standards are so high that you have to really you really have to be on point and it's packed every night you go to the ComEd store the main room which used to just be desolate like four years ago it's sold out like it's Vegas every night every night I walk in there I'm like I got some new jokes I'm like can I do how many new jokes can I do when this is a big sold out excited cow we' changed the face of comedy in La now

79:57I mean comedy in La is a different thing now the last few years it's also funny how a place like The Comedy Store you know our friend Adam uh eat who who books it just one guy with good taste booking the club well and suddenly everyone in town wants to run to that club again both Comedians and the audience because Adam does such a good job booking it and opening up that back bar where you gave us a place where the public can't go and the comics can go and hang out that was giant where there was a place to chill and hang out people would like you'd be sitting there with Ron White well I'm on in five see you boys and he'd go out there and do a set then Diaz would come back and all these different people are hanging out there you're like wow like this place is like something special like they they made changes they figured things out they did things differently I I missed just

80:46hanging out with comics when I wasn't doing standup I was like I don't know anybody anymore like I literally don't know anybody just the idea of being a part of that community and it is a community of people that are really smart you know really really funny and I I think generally incredibly supportive Community to each other yes yeah well I think especially now there's so many opportunities I don't think people feel like as starved I think there was a famine mentality that was going on way back in the day when it was everybody competing for Tonight Show spots and then every now and then someone got an HBO special and it was holy there was not that many HBO specials but other than that you had to do talk shows and you had to do like a few minutes on a talk show or you know maybe you were like a Richard Jenny who thrived in that format and you could do 30 Tonight Show

81:37things and then fill up Arenas because of that but for most people it was a a scratch and Claw environment and people were fighting to try to get a sitcom and fighting to try to get movie roles and all these there was not a lot but now because of the internet because of YouTube because of social media and then a Netflix which was giant there's so much opportunity like and the comedians have also found way more of an audience there's way more audience out there because people realize like oh look Sarah Silverman has a new Netflix special oh look Jim Jeff has a new Netflix special oh look Bill Burr has a new Netflix special and just keeps going and going and going and going and going it's like it's almost Unstoppable and I remember when I was a kid there was nothing it was just like Robert Klein would have a special every couple years now and George Carlin every couple of

82:21years they didn't give the hours to many people and there were so many people that probably could have done a Netflix special back then sure and they didn't have the audience they never got the shot and you know and they just sort of stayed at a certain state in their career forever yeah you know it's just this is an amazing amazing time for it yeah and it's good I mean I watch people I'm like godamn that's people are great I mean I really like watch people I was watching Ray Romano the other night his act was just monstrous he was so strong have you seen Andrew Santino at the oh yeah I'm great on that show I'm dying up here like I mean so good it's uh it's exciting I can't think about it too much because sometimes I think if there's so many people why do it but I'm trying to make it very much about the audience and me and that you know because I make movies and do TV

83:12that my stand-up career really is just about getting to hang out with everybody and my relationship with that particular crowd that night like I don't need it to pay the rent so I could do it from a very pure place cuz it's just about these interactions that's great you know and so and that frees me up to not be nervous and then I could be a little more daring because it's not going to going to sync me if anything goes wrong do you think that it enhances your ability to make movies does it enhance your perspective sense of funny I think that when you don't talk directly to the crowd you get stale as to what people are thinking about you know I can tell I don't know just when I bring up certain topics just what people's concerns are and it happens unconsciously oh this is what people find funny these days this is what people are freaking out about this is what people are happy about and

84:05when you don't do it you're just alone in a room with your editor yeah you're just sitting in a you're sitting with one dude for two years and I think uh I also think you're connecting to some you know whatever you're the creativity of the universe because you're in spaces with a lot of people with a lot of of other creative people and you're hooking into creativity on some level I've always wondered how comedy writers who don't do standup can do it I've always wondered like how do they know it's funny like how do they know what's they're guessing well it's weird to write jokes make a movie and then two years later find out if they're funny that's horrible that's why people say oh why do you have so much improv because I don't want to be in an editing room put in the joke I wrote realize it sucks and then go do we have any other jokes and the editor says no ooh so I always want

84:55like I with any scene I always go well that's where the joke's supposed to be here's my favorite let's get eight more and lo then we'll move on I never think like when there's people like the Cohen Brothers and it's verbatim you can't change a comma when they shoot it is that what it what it is with them yeah it's like a play and I respect it but I do not have the courage to assume when I hit editing that I am such a genius that I will not have up any of this in the writing they have a weird kind of Comedy though their comedy is so quirky and fascinating like and I guess maybe it's just that that purity of vision that they have in sticking to that script and a lot of people do that I mean uh Noah Bombeck does that you know you can't change any of it but I always think I don't know if uh if an actor's on a set Ray Romano's on the set of the big sick and he's talking about his

85:47feelings and he has the scene if I go uh you know uh you know Michael schalter directed that movie hey let let him do it another one let's just let him change it just but tell him to hit the same idea right half the time he beats the joke half the time yeah if you have the right cast well that was what Sims did on uh news radio he let everybody just come up with better lines it was a big part of why the show works so well it's like we all felt really invested in the the creative process yeah and that's so rare and that's I remember shaning would do that on U the Larry Sanders show they would rehearse for several days and in that rehearsal people were allowed to screw around and if something good came up Gary would would write it down and Hartman was the funniest Phil Hartman really was you know when you really make the list of the funniest people of all

86:37time he's just so high up on that list it was a remarkable thing I would go to tapings of that show and SNL tapings and at one point I was talking about writing an HBO special with him and I don't know if there's ever been anyone more talented in more ways than him no he was bril brilliant he he really was incredibly disciplined too when when I was on the set with him he was becoming a pilot and so he was uh in the middle of scenes he would be reading flight books and reading books on Aviation and and writing notes and taking notes his he was so organized like his scripts he would put them all in a binder he would take the script immediately he put three punch put it in a binder and he would have tabs for each of his scenes and each tab had a different color this is scene one scene two and he would have everything set up like that and have his lines highlighted and he would practice

87:29them and have them down to like a razor sharp yeah it was it was amazing he was a really really really interesting guy uh very unique I don't think I've ever met anybody like him because he also came out of uh he was a designer graic artist yeah did album covers and stuff and and he said that he got Saturday Night Live because he went in for the audition and he was retiring because his career hadn't work worked out the way he wanted it to and then someone said you want to go in for SNL and he was so ready to be done that he had an amazing audition cuz he assumed he wouldn't get it and basically was like this business and then that's the moment when he was his purest funniest self and just got it wow interesting guy man he was um blackmailed while we were on the show and uh while we were on the show he and his wife actually had went to a strip club and this was like 1990

88:257 97 98 somewhere around there so uh this some at a strip club got a video camera brought in a video camera and filmed like a video camera back then you had a Carri it and he filmed Phil and his wife at a strip cup laughing just having a couple of drinks and I think Phil got a lap dance and his wife got a lap dance and then they left and he this guy um put a copy of this videotape in an envelope V and nailed it to Phil's garage door oh with a note saying that Letterman's thing it was scary yeah but it was different because Letterman's thing was someone he knew and this was not a guy he knew and this is a guy who found out where Phil lived and said I'm going to get this to uh all of the advertisers that you know you do commercials with and all the people you do films with and I'm going to ruin your career unless you give me money call me at this number the guy

89:19left his number so Phil calls the guy records the thing and with did it in the room with me and he goes I'm going to call the guy now I'm going to call the guy now and we shut and he he goes hey buddy what's going on listen I understand what you're saying but you got to realize like I don't have as much money as you think I do and I mean this is I mean I don't want the tape getting out but I mean you're making it out like it's a bigger deal than it is and the guy was like look I'm I'm telling you and this now and the guy's like look I'm willing to work with you let's just come to a reasonable reasonable number so they come to this this reasonable number and this whole time where he's doing this he's recording this and he gets it to this private investigator guy and then this meets the private investigator thinking he's going to meet Phil and get paid and this private

90:05investigator guy scares the out of him threatens his life and you know takes his wallet from him takes photos of his you know his address and you know and he basically says don't ever contact him again or your life will radically change in a horrible way and the guy disappeared W but it was weird to be in the room with him and like close the door close the door I'm G to call him he's like wiping his hands that sounds like an Anthony pelicano special uh exactly who we're talking about yeah that's exactly who we're talking about that's that's Ray Donovan yeah it's Ray Donovan it was weird it was weird to be there for that to see like and it also to see like that someone would like try to weasel in on them Phil was just such a nice guy just he knew this dude that was like a carpenter and the guy did some work with him the guy called him out this h called them

90:54horrible Saab story you know we're going to lose our house and this and that I just you know just you give me a little bit of a loan and okay so Phil gives him like $225,000 just gives this guy and then the guy calls him three months later and he asks for another 30 and then PHS like what the man you know like he was just almost too nice that's about how it usually goes with that it is you never lend someone money and then they go you know what you solved all my problems and now I'm fine and here years the money back it just did you ever lend anybody money oh yeah yeah did anybody ever pay you back yes I I I I used to tell this story just because it's funny my friend Dave waph who manages Pete Holmes at some point was like transitioning and starting his own management company and asked me for some money not much but the only guy who ever paid me back and

91:45quickly yeah and uh that makes sense and is a great man and is producing my Netflix special well that works but the only guy ever do what he said he was going to do yeah it's always these people that have dude once this happens then this is going to happen I'm going to be making this amount of money and don't worry about it it's all going to come but I just need a little right now it never happens well someone said the second people ask for money they're they resent you and so even if you give people money they're mad that they had to ask and they kind of hate you because you they had to ask you oo that's interesting which which I I which is certainly what you well there's also the people that think that the way to make it is to get somebody else to get you through MH like you got to you got to call on favors you got to you got to have connections you got to get your way through that way

92:37that that's the way to do it somebody gave you a break man you need to give me a break somebody gave you a break like it's just that mentality is so wrong oh yeah they were I mean one thing I'm proud of in my career is there really was I had no Ins at all you know I just you know my parents got divorced they were both bankrupt I started interviewing comedians from my high school radio station at some point I got Jamie Mada from the uh Laugh Factory who owns the Laugh Factory he had a magazine in the 80s and he printed an interview I did with David brener and I think I did another one with Henny Youngman then when I moved here in 85 uh I tried to get spots at this Laugh Factory and it was still hard to get up there but I didn't know anybody and the person who really hooked me up was Samy Shore wow now Sammy Shore started the comedy store then he got divorced and

93:32mity took it over and made it the great place it is but he started a Comedy Room in Marina del re called Sam's by the shore in the back of a fish restaurant and he let me book it and in return I was allowed to go on ah and maybe I got 40 bucks a week and that's how I got stage time for the first year when I didn't know what I was doing I would book that club which also gave me an excuse to call all the comics who I admired and and it's funny like there's those people at a key moment open the door for you but it's not cuz you knew them it's just cuz you're willing to put it all to work somehow right right that's interesting man Sam's by the shore I never heard about that one do you remember the valley improv they had one in in the Hilton in Sherman Oaks no I wasn't around for that and then what year was that this like late 80s I wasn't here until '94 oh yeah late 80s

94:28and this guy Joe Drew just the manager great young guy I don't know where he is he used to say to me Jud come in wait around if someone doesn't show up I'll put you up and I was like 19 years old and I would wait there all night every night thrilled to talk to everyone because that's what right when Sandler moved to town and David Spade and and Schneider and that's when I first met everybody and that guy would put me on and you know that's the funny thing about a career it's two or three people who who change everything for you there's this woman Mary parent who was one of the heads of universal and I was I sold her the four-year-old virgin and she said Jud the second you hand in the script I'm going to Greenlight it I so believe in this idea and you and Steve and I literally faxed her like page 90 to 108 and then she called and said okay start prepping facts

95:24yeah faxed it isn't that crazy now Joe here's my question for you okay let's let's talk my workout for a second let's talk my uh Omega brain Alpha Brain Alpha Brain now Pete Holmes turned me on to the Alpha Brain and oddly uh it completely works 100% And um it's all based on science I mean we have double blind placebo studies it's inv terms of like actual nutrients and their response to human neurotransmitter it's all been documented people have known about New Tropics for a long time now and I always feel like I'm the perfect test case for a product like that because most days I go in a room with 11 writers in the morning I'm as tired and as foggy as you can be I do not drink coffee so I don't you don't drink coffee at all I just don't like so I just the only coffee I like is ice Blended mochas which is all sugar right so I avoid it uh and when I uh started taking that I would

96:35completely wake up and be sharp without like some weird caffeine Buzz or sick from it or whatever and I would see it every day like wow I was funny as hell for the last two and a half hours and I did not start in that place so I'm fascinated by your general program like what you're doing all day with all this stuff like what's what's the current Joe program well I'm always doing something you know and in terms of like Diet you mean or in terms of like what's the workout what's the diet what's the meditation what's the main tenant of your day well my workout I schedule every Sunday I schedule everything that I'm going to do during the week I say I have to do yoga two times this week I have to lift weights three times this week I have to run twice this week and however I fit that in I fit it in but I owe those things okay so I have to get those things in the only exceptions are

97:33injuries and sickness so those that that's the the the schedule and then on top of that uh there's other things that I enjoy doing kickboxing Jiu-Jitsu work those in when I can then um diet the diet is pretty strict in terms of like no bread very few carbs um no sugar like healthy food a lot of vegetables a lot of meat game meat mostly Wild game like and I take vitamin supplements every day I take uh multivitamins I take probiotics I take uh vitamin B12 and d and a lot of different things I just um I do everything that I can to put my body and my brain in a good place so that I'm I'm I'm keeping my engine smooth I'm changing my oil I'm changing my spark plugs I'm making sure that it's operating I mean it's not going to be perfect but I know that I've done my best to keep it working the best that it can and who's the person that advises you on like nutrition is there a guy is

98:33there a woman who taught you how to do it how do you do it well there's a ton of people that I've used as a resource um there's a woman that I have on the podcast on a regular basis her name is Dr Ronda Patrick and she's probably the best resource like I sent her something the other day on some new um some new study on saturated fats like whenever I there's some sort of an issue there's a new study on cryotherapy or saunas like the saunas are incredibly effective I don't know if you ever you ever so hug with the UV rays or what is it the um what is it called not ultraviolent um infrared infrared infrared yes yes we just got one of those saunas are giant you know the raising of the body temperature like that and uh heat shock proteins incredibly beneficial to your body there was a study that they put out recently that showed a 40% decrease in mortality

99:23from all causes due to people who take regular sauna like it just literally keeps your body healthier W having that massive exposure to heat and the your body producing these heat shock proteins it just it it reduces inflammation it just it helps in so many different areas for people and just you know sit down in the hot room it's really good for your body regular is how many times a week um for sauna I think they were saying four times a week but I mean how hard is that man just force yourself to sit in it I me if you have it at home in particular at your gymm just go there and sit in that for 15 minutes doesn't take long well I'm going to have to get all this written out I'm going to how about this I do everything you do we make that a speci special it's the Jud does Joe's programs you have to build up yeah you have to I bulk up I got well I may have

100:12already up I mean build up like your your joints and all that stuff it's got to get used to that kind of a pounding yeah there's a lot a lot of is going to be happening if you want to do everything I do so I can't just do 12 lbs on a free weight you just you don't want you I mean it's not even you don't you're not going to want to do everything I do yes like I have a friend who runs ultramarathons and I just started running recently within the last couple months I'm not running a ultramarathon I'm not doing everything he hey I'll do everything you do I would it break it would break my feet it would break my knees yeah you got to just build up you got to have time too there's something about you know when you run TV shows it's all freaking day every day so people say when you work out I'm like there's no time what am I going to wake up at 5 in in the morning

100:53and put in 2 and a half hours like got drive my kids to school at 7:40 well that's one thing you don't need 2 and 1/2 hours yeah you could get a great workout in 40 minutes and that's all you need for the whole day 100% you really can't especially if you run like I run Hills and um I can get it done in a half an hour like a brutal workout a TW mile brutal hill climbing workout in a half hour I'm exhausted yeah you know this idea of time like how much time did you put in today like you could work out in a manner for two hours hours and not get nearly as much done as you can for a half hour hard just running yeah or like interval training yeah yeah Sprints and then relax then sprints again but uh I just think being active and doing something on a daily basis forcing your body to get used to the fact that it's going to constantly being be working constantly being under stress

101:45yes and then it just it gives you more energy it's like you you have more of a gas tank you have more enthusiasm for things that's the scary part about Trump his theory on exercise is you only have so much energy per day and he thinks that exercise uses it up and so he doesn't ever exercise yeah that's got to come back at him at some point he's not 70 I mean how is it not come back at him already but he also I mean he's he not mitigating his stress that's part of it is your perspective enhancing for me the most important thing about I don't think maybe not the most important thing one of the best things about exercise is that it gives me a perspective a better a more enhanced perspective cuz I know I'm not coming at it from a stressful body like my body is not tense so I can come at things in a calm way I've drained all the out of my body that's interesting yeah

102:34and and are you doing meditation or what are you doing in that way I have a sensory deprivation tank yeah so I do most of my meditation in that climb in yeah I climb in I float yeah I love that that's one of my favorite things you ever do it uh no I can imagine you must especially for you because you're working on things all the time like if you go in there with an idea like I'll go in there with a bit like I got this bit that I'm working on right now that's kind of complicated and sometimes I'll just be sitting there staring at the wall just thinking about this one bit because I'm trying to figure out how to how to structure it it's super complicated bit and I'll go in that tank and I'll just sit there for an hour and I'll just try to work out this bit try to figure out if there are other angles to it there's other ways to come at it the only confusing thing is when I have

103:18an idea in the tank and it seems like I got it I got to get out of the tank and I got to write things down no you need a special pad in the I think I need a voice activated recorder I think that's a good idea yeah I think that's what I need where I can just talk yeah okay so I need the tank you need a tank I have the spa you have a spa um I need a hill to run on hills are good I got I need more of my on it products do you lift weights at all uh no I I good idea to do a little bit of something just to keep your body strong it's like as you get older your body atrophies and there's just no way around it especially if you're not using it and the only way to keep it from acing is to make sure that you put it under stress you have to lift weights that's the only way it keeps your bone density keeps your tendon strength your muscle strength there's no other way you know otherwise you just

104:07get injuries people get back injuries and arm injuries and just starts falling apart on you see I've had no injuries due to not doing anything that's how I've been protecting my my my body but yes I do know that that's the thing to do I remember I always heard about Clinton Eastwood doing that and I met Clint Eastwood when he was like 80 and I know he's like he lifts heavy weights that's his thing it's like heavy weights and he was like a truck at 80 yeah and so uh but I don't like uh lifting things I don't even like counting I don't like cing hire a trainer yeah you know get someone to devise a program yeah have them come to you work you out you don't have to do you just show up you know like you could do it in your house they show up at 6:00 a.m. or whatever it is and like come on J I got you for the next 45 minutes and you're like all right here we go and just it's

104:58tough when you hate that stuff it really is tough when you haven't like built your brain to love it I've been playing a lot of tennis lately as a way to wake wake up and uh but I do know that I need to do it but man it is it when you're like of the mindset that when the trainer comes you want to punch him in the face it's a tough it's a tough thing and know a lot of it being a writer your your day becomes about waking up and engaging your brain all day and so you just like look at writers and you eat Chinese food and you're kicking stuff around and it's like developing the wrong muscle your whole life or at least not only one muscle and uh I I know that I have to transition into that but it is it is a tough one to I think it's beneficial to your writing though it is 100% is I write better after I do anything and what I do do is I walk really fast around my neighborhood in

105:50circles for like 45 minutes every day they say you should do that after you write they say when you write one of the things you should do is go over what you wrote by going on a walk because it's not enough where you're so worn out that you're occupied by the like it's not like you're running where you're exhausted you're occupied by the activity cuz I feel like when I'm running hard especially when I do my Hill Sprints I'm not thinking about other than Left Foot Right Foot Left Foot Right Foot don't fall down keep going you're almost at the hill almost at the top keep going keep going keep going I'm not thinking about anything else else but when I walk I can think about all kinds of so I walk my dog around the neighborhood a lot of times after I write I just take him we go for a walk yeah and that's like a walking meditation yeah yeah because I'm I'm trying to read a lot of like and you

106:36guys talk about it sometimes I heard you talking about with Russell bran just you know quantum physics and trying to figure out how to quiet my brain and to tune into what is left to do to not be crazy and some of that is exercise what was left to do to not be crazy exactly cuz I'm such a like a pop I'm such a like pop psychology junkie I read that stuff all day long but lately I've been reading a little more like that you know the Joe dispenza is that his name Joe dispenza but it's you know it's just it's it's like a quantum physics theory that basically you get into a a pattern of how you feel and it's in your cell if you're a depressed person like your cells are depressed and if you get in a good mood your cells try get you back to depression because you've conditioned yourself to be in a certain mood all the time physically and it affects your whole body and that you can make a

107:33choice to change how you are physically by choosing to be in a certain mood and meditating about a certain mood and that you could change how your body reacts physically so it doesn't want to keep you in the same mental state you're used to being in does that make any sense it does sort of I gas I'm always real cautious about what what causes depression and what makes people depressed and what you know I don't I don't suffer from depression so like whenever someone says you're depressed because of this I'm always like okay I don't know how to address that because I don't know what I know there's certain people that do have absolute chemical imbalances but what is that chemical imbalance come from does it come from childhood trauma does it come from just some sort of a part of their body that's not functioning correctly a bad thyroid or a bad kidney is the brain like very

108:26similar is that the case or are they in a bad economic situation and a bad relationship with bad friends and a bad job is that what's causing depression like I think there's a host of variables yeah it's uh you get in a pattern you don't know you don't know why I mean your family did you your parents uh did they stay together yeah so you but my stepmom or my stepdad rather and my mom have been together since I was seven yeah so you had the the stable yes yeah and I think that's I always think that's 90% of it when you grow up in chaos I think you get wired for a certain hypervigilance and a nervousness and an anxiety because you think like more bad shit's coming yeah so if you had any kind of trauma as a kid I think you're wired to keep your eyes open a little wider which also lends itself to some kind of depression it could most certainly for me uh that hypervigilance

109:20led itself to martial arts yeah and then this also we moved around a lot so I was picked on a lot so I was like I was always the new kid I was like God this sucks you know so that that sort of led me to be wary of others and just you internalize a lot of stuff you know I think that's what I did I just went in my room and watched the Mike Douglas show and watch M Griffin did you know you knew so from the time you were 17 you were working at Eastside Comedy Club you kind of knew you always wanted to be involved in comedy yeah from the time I was 10 I was into the mark brothers first then like Cosby and George Carlin and uh I used to listen to Lenny Bruce records as a kid I didn't understand them but I just heard that's the the best person and I always I think I like that comedians just called out and I must have felt like there was a lot of around me because I like

110:08it called yeah yeah I like that there was like George Callin was like no this makes no sense and so I love those people and and and the lighter stuff too like just silly comedians who just pointed out uh the Ridiculousness of things so I love Seinfeld when I was a kid and and Leno but especially Carlin I think when I was little yeah well grouo Marx is pretty underrated and underappreciated to this day like remember when he was hosting that show You Bet Your Life oh absolutely so funny and so dirty and weird the way he looked at people like and and even like when you watch a movie like Duck Soup the marks Brothers movie it's all about the Ridiculousness of government and uh and something drew me to those people I think it was also because I was bad at Sports and so I thought this system's unfair like so I'm a dick because I can't play softball so it led me to like look for

111:01something else yeah but back then no one else liked comedy there wasn't another person to talk to about it now I think everyone likes it but back then there was no one was watching B Griffin but me really when I was little I mean when I was 15 I didn't like come to school and we would laugh about Jeff Alman on MV Griffin I was just alone with it wow yeah I became a fan of uh standup watching standup on TV like watching like The Tonight Show and evening at The Improv and stuff like that yeah but really the big one the one that really kicked in for me was my parents took me to see live on the Sunset Strip oh wow and I was a teenager young teenager and uh I remember being in the audience while Richard PRI was on stage slaying and people were laughing so hard and I was laughing so hard I looked around I'll never forget this moment cuz I looked around at the crowd while

111:55the movie was going on and all these people were like falling out of their chair slapping their knee holding their chest and I was like this guy's just talking he's just talking and he's this funny this is incredible I'm like this is an amazing thing this guy can do like I'd never seen real standup before I had only seen like you know like someone on the Johnny Carson show do a couple minutes and tell a few jokes that in my mind was what standup was it wasn't until and I'd listened to some of the old Bill Cosby stuff and some of the old Carlin Stuff on on uh Records but I'd never seen it like seeing the movie live on the sunset's trip and that planted didn't plant a seed like I can do it but it did plant a seed like holy this is possible like this is crazy that this is possible and it's still the best special it's one of the best ever without a doubt he's still he holds up

112:45in a in a very very unique way where a lot of Comedy from that era just I mean including Lenny Bruce doesn't really hold up like it's it's because it's contextual like if you were there in that time it was groundbreaking but that's not groundbreaking anymore because the culture has moved on so far and a lot of that could be attributed to his Insight like Lenny Bruce's Insight changed the way a lot of people thought and discussed a lot of like really important issues at that time but there was something about prior his honesty and his his delivery and his point of view that's like to this day like God he was good I I there was a record they put out a few years ago where they didn't tell you what album it was but it was just bits and I I think maybe a lot of of of bits that were recorded when he recorded an album but didn't make the album like it was just it was it was uh

113:39in eras like 70s 80s 90s and when you listen to his stuff from the 70s it's so militant yeah it's so milon and it all works perfectly today like what he's mad about yeah all applies to right now and then when he goes honest about himself and relationships you do feel it like oh there's not many people opening up like this right like there's not a comparable person there's a lot of comedians who talk about their lives but he's really he's ripping open the the veins much deeper than anybody even now sure and he was talking about horrific addiction issues that he had back then I mean addiction issues that caused him to himself on fire yeah I mean when he was talking about that back then who the hell had done that you remember he would do that thing where he' light a match and and move it around like what who am I I'm Richard Pry running down the street like and joke around about

114:36lighting himself on fire and and have the whole audience laugh I was like wow it was crazy there was some some bits where he talked about having multiple sclerosis near the end of his life and he was still doing the comedy store and on audio they were riotously funny brutally honest bits about you know what it felt like to be that sick and I I don't think it ever was on an album before when he was doing that um when he was uh coming back to The Comedy Store when he was really sick before he died I was the guy who went on after him every night every night for like five weeks oh jeez every time he did a show I bombed so many times going on after Richard prior oh it was death and how was he terrible he was he was old and he was sick and he was drunk and he was on pills and he probably shouldn't have been there but he just wanted to do it it wasn't good like it wasn't wasn't Richard prior it

115:34was like they had first of all he was really unhealthy so they had to crank the microphone up like you couldn't even hear him barely hear him and you know he would like I always love like it wasn't there was nothing there yeah he was just kind of talking and ranting and he would you know he'd be on stage with a drink and people didn't know how to respond and they would give him this amazing Round of Applause when he got on stage and took forever for them to get him to the stage because chewy who worked the door and this guy Dave um would carry Richard prior to the stage and slowly just move him towards the stage and all the time the people would be clapping and then they would sit him down and then they would put the microphone in place and crank that thing up to 10 and then he would do his stand up but it was it was people almost like paying homage homage paying homage they were there

116:29they were there to see the great one yeah you know and he was there he's still alive it's like wow we're seeing like the greatest standup comedian of all time he's right there wow you know it was more of that than it was like him doing really well it was never like a good set I never saw him kill and then you would come out I was eat dick just go up there and just eat plates of people were so depressed there's no way out what was your attempt to uh to pull out of it um I would go on stage and I would say and now ladies and gentlemen an unknown white guy after the greatest comedian of all time this douchy looking Italian looking kid and I would just make fun of myself for a few minutes and you know and then sometimes I talk about how uh Richard Pryor was like you know hu because it would take a long time for him to get off the stage too so that was the other thing like I

117:24would get introduced by Jeff who's a piano man and I would pass Richard and Dave and chewy as they were carrying Richard off like you'd have to kind of move around them and then get onto the stage and then you'd have to say Richard py ladies and gentlemen give and sometimes you see people's eyes they're like like what did we just see like this is so de facing their own mortality yeah absolutely yeah and you know Richard they like I remember like he wasn't supposed to drink but drank anyway like cuz they had him on all this medication they like you just kept drinking yeah it was weird it was it was dark I remember meeting him at a birthday party I went with Jim Carrey to his birthday party and and it was it was sad I mean it was it was sad to see somebody that ill and then especially when you think of just the power of the guy yeah the just how crazy funny he was

118:17cuz there's not that many people just to the core of funny they I remember when Robin Williams used to to comeing to The Improv in the late 80s and he would kill so hard there was just no way to recover the the room couldn't recover it just and there's not that many people can do that now I feel like people could follow each other now you know Louis comes in and you go on after him and you know and and like he kills but like when Robin Williams would come in like you wanted to end the show right well there was only one of him then you know and now there's like Louis but then there's Burr and then there's Diaz and then there's there's a lot of guys now there's Santino and Ari shafir and there like there's so many funny people now or maybe the audience understands in a different way and they can transition you know they just they're they're used to Comedy and they're like

119:05oh now this guy where in the old days you'd come on and there you know they couldn't go and oh we're about to enjoy this this popery of people right well you still see people bomb after someone who kills yeah still that still happens all the time but I think that um maybe there more I think what you're getting at the store now and this is what's been really interesting lately is you're getting a lot of Comedy tourism like a lot of people fly over from Europe just to come to the store a lot a lot and it's worth it those lineups are crazy some night oh yeah like I'll look at the lineup and go does this audience understand how insane this is yeah yeah and there's three shows going on simultaneously there's the belly room the original room and the main room and everyone and you know a lot of guys do hat tricks well they'll do all three rooms in one night the sell is like that

119:56the comedy seller in New York there's three rooms and you go in some nights and it's like yeah Chappelle's coming Rock just left like really tonight yeah Schumer's here there's only a few of those places I had to follow Andrew Dice Clay and Ray Romano at the seller once it was like the cleanest guy and the dirtiest guy and do you know who I had the worst uh sets after ever who could not follow Martin Lawrence oh yeah Martin in the '90s sure I remember Chris Rock says that Martin Lawrence was opening up for him in the '90s uh or or you know before he did his big specials and then he was downstairs in the dressing room and he could feel the theater rocking and he went on stage and he said he he had a had some shows where he couldn't follow him the way he wanted to and that's what made him work hard and then developed those great specials was cuz having Martin open for him

120:50scared him yeah he also said that he did too many crowds in front of white people yeah too many shows in front of white crowds and they were just too too happy and too accepting and Martin Lawrence would just bring the Thunder dude he was so strong before he put the wet suit on and ran around with a gun in the middle of the city and the in the heat like uh what whatever fuse he blew but before that that guy would go on stage with a leather jumpsuit on and just destroy I mean destroy in a level that people don't appreciate today people forgot about him have you ever seen Gary Owen yes I was town at uh to an a set I was playing bonaroo and I wanted to go on the night before to warm up and I went to zany in Nashville and and he's there and I hadn't seen him before and I did a set and uh you know it was okay it wasn't very good it was just fine and then he gets on I don't I've never heard

121:47louder laughs I've never heard louder laughs me and my manager Jimmy Miller sat in the back of the room and we were like what is happening and then we start really paying attention going how funny is this guy like like listening to the material like is this good material or is he pandering or what is it then we're like wait a second his material's incredible like he is awesome and it was the biggest laughs I've ever heard he had a sustained like killing the crowd you know where the place is just rocking and moving up down white guy that does a lot of black shows right yes yeah and uh he went a full 20 25 minutes at 10: before he slowed it down and had to slow it down or he was going to kill these people and I swear I thought I don't know if I'm in the same business as this guy like is this what we're supposed to do well when you when you jumped back

122:36into it you thought that three years ago you're just going to have some fun and go and do it when was it that you realized like I'm a comic now I got to kind of like really aspire to a high standard like I have to really tighten everything up I think um you know I would I was watching Louie work on his new set very seriously at the comedy seller and he'd say yeah I got nothing I got nothing tonight and go on stage and just Crush uh and then I played Carnegie Hall and I had a good set for the New York Comedy Festival and then as a surprise I brought Sandler out to do a surprise set after me and I thought I did great and then when he came out the the laughter went up 20% where I felt it like oh I'm like at a seven and he's at a N9 and a half like it was a diff the sound changed right and I thought oh there's a whole another step here that I need to kick into gear I always want the

123:35material to be good but that oh there's a a way to crush that's hard to do to get that momentum and have the ideas and obviously Chris Rock is one of the best of everybody out it because he has so many great ideas but understands how to get the room rocking really hard the Cadence and the pace and the to find what what is in your Cadence that does it that doesn't become obnoxious or loud or just you know just talking fast like how do you find an original way to create that energy in a room I think the only way is constant repetition you have to be on stage all the time yeah and you have to really always be trying to improve it and you have to always be listening to your recordings and you have to have and you got to listen to Bad sets too when sets go bad you got to go why did that go bad let's listen to this thing I always hear myself Mumble like oh they

124:29didn't even hear what I said yeah that's big stumble I I got to go pick up a child oh I'm going to do my end of the show plug children I got the big sick get a website dude go go to squarespace.com make your own website so you're saying there's a place called Squarespace that has websites I've heard about make it you can make your own website okay I'm at the Wilbur on the 24th in July 24th 23rd a Bridgefield Playhouse in Connecticut and the 25th cancel the Connecticut Columbus Theater Providence Rhode Island cancel all Connecticut gigs why is that I always do just for the I don't work in Connecticut I'm not kidding it's not a real State okay I'm going to it's a highway I'm going to figure that out it's a highway between Boston and New York I'm going to let you know if that's true don't do it but as of now we're going to talk later after that you're like oh my God you

125:14were so right that Connecticut gig was horrible I need Connecticut people to show me he's wrong all these Connecticut people are mad at me now I get emails from Conn bro how about lay off Connecticut how about drive to Boston or drive to New York and recognize what the you doing John app ladies and gentlemen thank you for having me thanks for being here man that's it for the week good night ladies and gentlemen