Aubrey Marcus

00:01Let's Get It On yeeha what's up dude what's going on man what's going on in your shirt what is that got a lot going on there it's like a penguin with shark teeth this is my homage to Albert Hoffman in the creation of LSD oh wow in shirt form oh wow that's Hoffman oh Jesus Christ and then you use all these crazy animal parts for squares mhm and a full Garden blowing out of his head did you know that a Road Runner can a rattlesnake I didn't but that's gangster there's a video of it somebody tweeted it to me the other day I'm like there's no way this is real but it's 100% real Road Runner hunts and kills a rattlesnake and then eats it and it's eating this thing like it's way bigger than it and it's just trying to swallow it like you have no idea how gangster birds are maybe that road runner identifies as a pterodactyl maybe he does check this out watch this first of

00:55all when you really get a good CL mean you look at them from a distance ah you little bird you're little I'm not worried about you when you look at them like close up like this in this high resolution photography you realize like how predatory these birds are like look that that the snake takes a lunge at him he's like nah not today snap gets him right on top of the head and look how he does them in he smashes his head against the Rocks man yeah when people discovered that dinosaurs were probably Birds that's even more terrifying actually it's 100 I 100% believe it yeah I've told you the story about my chickens right with the feeding the mice uhhuh dude it's really the whole thing is really bizarre because it just shows you how like people have these attachments to a certain species for no reason like uh Steve Rell talks about it with bears he calls them charismatic megap that

01:49there's something about Steve's so eloquent that you know when he's uh he's there's he's right though there's like something about bears that makes them very different in our eyes than any other animal and birds they have these hierarchies so this Hawk flew into my fence I have a glass fence Hawk didn't know what the was going on Bo koed jacked my daughters rescue the bird and then they go to the pet store and buy little pinkies which are these little tiny mice and they feed them to the hawk so they feed this little tiny Mouse they decide the mouse is not as important as the hawk the hawk has to stay alive these little baby mice so they feed the baby mice to the hawk he eats all of them but one my daughter wants to keep it I said he can't keep it it's going to die it needs you know it needs to have milk I'll just feed it to the chickens so there's a lot of hem and and ha a lot of crying

02:38everybody wants to the mouse to stay alive after you just fed 30 of them to this dinosaur but it's a majestic Hawk it's flying monster and so I bring it into the chicken coop and I mean I put that thing on the ground for not even one half of one second and they were tearing it apart and running around with it it was they're monsters yeah that rot on a thing just conf confirms and I have 100% new respect for Birds now yeah I I think it's it is interesting how people but it's you think about bears right and people have loved Bears since way way back before like teddy bears and stuff you know before there was the internet and these different things there's just certain animals that you have this kinship towards and certain like sacred animals when you're down in the jungle and different places that always seem to inspire something within mankind yeah and I don't know why it is but I I think

03:30I just sort of accept it now like I don't feel the same way about bears I do about deer like I think deer are wild and they're cool and I love that they exist but I have a much more predatory feeling around them than I do around bears bears are like this weird thing mhm that oh you can eat them too you know yeah you know it's just it doesn't have the same feeling and as an animal there's this insane reality of what they are this enormous like wild dog thing that can kill you mhm and some of them are just Giants just gigantic wild dog thing you can kill you and we love them I remember sitting in the obviously we were out there with the Bears just sitting there in the woods and watching them screw around it's it's something different for sure at least you know especially too when they're kind of looking at you like the connection of looking at the bear

04:22and the bear looking at you I think it's different yeah it's different than when a deer looks at you a deer looks at you like what the what the are you doing you know and the bear looks at you like hey man yeah that's a different it's like a different whole thought cycle I sometimes think of thoughts like the small wheel and the big wheel it's almost like bears are just on that slightly bigger wheel like us you know that's what it is right that's got to be a big part of what it is like we almost inherently recognize that they have a level of understanding that's above the undulates you know like there's something about those omnivores there's like a level especially them there's a level of understanding but at the end of the day like if you see how they behave like that's a thing especially about grizzly bears that I got out of that Grizzly Man movie is they're they're so almost

05:11robotic in their predatory drive and their their drive to survive their survival Drive they just just moving around looking for stuff to eat all the time yeah they're so big you have to you have to eat so much when you're that big but the advantage is instead of hiding all of the food that you need for the winter like a squirrel you eat eat and eat and eat and nobody's gonna take your food from you because it's your fat it's on your body like the only way to get that fat is to fight the bear and nobody wants to fight the bear so they can survive the winter a whole different way it's just a cool way to to approach it but a bizarre way it's so fascinating when you see all the different methods that Nature's figured out to sort of overcome the the obstacles that the environment can throw at you it's animals that can survive I was in the ocean uh recently we were snorkeling and I'm

06:02looking around all these Turtles and all these fish and I'm like they live here they live I mean I can only stick my head under there for a few seconds I come up I got to spray water out of the top of the nozzle they there's a living thing surviving in there like life has found a bunch of weird weird ways to get along and a bear was one of the weirdest ones just get fat as they get big round and jelly and then they just take a nap like this winter that I'm not stupid bro what am I a moose I'm G to walk out there and freeze to death like an no going to sleep like there's the strategy involved in that is so much deeper than the strategy of all the other animals yeah the other animals like that's the big one of the big things with I guess uh deer is they freeze to death man that's how they wind up dying yeah I wonder you wonder as that like evolves that whole

06:57hibernation pattern if they're just like like taking little naps first when that's developing and then then one bear like sleeps two weeks and all the other bears are like what the that was awesome you know they just sleep a little bit longer all the time yeah how the does that take place this is one of those really dumb like people who don't believe in evolution arguments you're telling me you're telling me that's not by Design come on dude because somebody was posted a video some guy posted a video like an animated g file of the flat he was a flat earth guy and it was just the Earth like a flat plane it wasn't even high resolution it was like low resolution it was flat and he was like show me again the curvature I'm like oh my god dude this is people are crazy yeah well I think that whole people just want to get a leg up you know and everything you're

07:53doing you're just trying to Edge someone out so if you can believe in Flat Earth and it actually is flat Earth you got a little bit of leg up on everybody else who think this shit's a globe right so they're willing to take that Gambit they're willing to place that place that bet like it man I'm going in on Flat Earth cuz if I'm right I can say you to everybody else just a little bit you and that's the ego that is the ego all I have to do is watch a couple YouTube videos you'd be convinced if you don't do anything else other than that like that's the thing it's like Jordan Peterson talking about how we could all become a Nazi guard like we could all believe in Flat Earth if we just stretched our mind a little bit and then a little bit more yeah I mean maybe all is the wrong word for Nazi guard or Flat Earth but I think they could get a lot of us they could

08:40get a lot of us I've told you the story about those rod things that I thought were real I thought there was rods you ever heard of Roswell rods those little there're supposed to be insects that are flying through the sky so fast you can't even see them and the only way to pick them up with is video cameras the only way to actually see them so they would find them on these videos like oh my God we didn't even notice this at the time and uh they decided that there was these gigantic things that could be you know who knows how many feet long and they're like jellyfish they fly through the air like light speed yeah it's so stupid it turns out what it was is just an artifact when you film things when you film things with shitty old cameras and when they have new camera see that's the rod see that thing looks like a twig that's what they look like and some of

09:28them you see like way up in the sky some of it's just a bug that's flying so fast that the camera can't pick it up right so the camera makes it look like that like that last one Jamie yeah look at that see how it looks like it's almost like a jellyfish weaving through the air it's just a video artifact like a bat with a vapor trail what it looks like to me yeah does that's in that one yeah cuz that one's in front of the tree but sometimes you see them in the sky so you don't have a a sight of reference you know you don't have like that one's interesting cuz it's in front of the tree like the tree is just only you know a few yards away you can tell and and if that Rod thing's right in front of the tree you can get a a guesstimate on how big it is but a lot of the videos of them they had them in the sky you know just flying in the sky from like it's 16

10:08feet long it's flying the speed of light I was in Sedona just having lunch and I was and Sedona is a place where there's some cool and then there's a lot of wacky New Age there and I was listening to this guy just talk about orbs right like these orbs that he was able to capture I've seen those on film and and I've had orbs in photos and stuff all it is it's like the it's the lens flare effect that creates like I'm not like super into the science of it but I know that I can reproduce it if I create a lens flare in the thing there's going to be an orb somewhere in the picture right right so but the way they were describing it is like this one if you go out at at the right time at dawn in this special place there will be orbs on the ground it's like where they gather I'm like no it's the sun coming up and every time it creates a lens flare in your camera you know it's

10:58I love it if it was that though why is such a party pooper would wouldn't it be amazing if like you could find balls of light through you around you like little like organisms or life forms and like if you were more loving they surrounded you and you just had to take a picture of people and tell whether or not oh my God dude's awesome like the seeds from AWA just kind of like floating around all a sudden when you're really in the zone they're all just floating all around you yeah amazing I would deal with that if the only way to see it was a camera right yeah I'll tell you man Eddie Bravo had one picture once it was Eddie Bravo with a bunch of orbs around him and he had his hands open like this and the biggest orb was in his hands and I said damn imagine if we're all just imagine if we're all just super skeptical and we're ignoring something what if they're real

11:48oh it's just a camera artifact it's reproducible you can go back okay are you sure well that's I mean it's kind of like once you've done enough iasa and done enough DMT though then you open yourself up to the possibility that there are things potentially outside of our ability to perceive them that's Eddie right there like look it's like he's holding it it's like he got high enough to see it before it happened his girlfriend's spitting on the camera trying to get some orbs going like could you recreate orbs with spit but look if you were going to believe in orbs that would be I mean that would that'd be the one that I'd go with he's holding it he's got it in his hand you can see it it's clearly balancing in his Center his love it would be the if it was real it's like all these things would be the if they were real like there's some UFO videos over turkey you I saw it I didn't even click

12:42I didn't even click on it that's how Blas have gotten about the UFO ordeal I don't I don't believe you anymore I'm not clicking on it yeah but I would love it if it was real well that's the weird thing about real right you know it's like when you go see something something with such a vivid imagination like especially in like the Psychedelic space you see something and then there's that debate like Is that real and then if enough people like enough people have seen it or enough people believe in it like dragons for example like are they real or not well they're clearly not in the 3D space but everybody knows and has emotional reactions to this one being and they come to you envision and so what is that is a dragon real well what's your definition of real you know like is it the colle of an idea in your brain All of the Lights gathering around that you can share and reproduce and

13:33then that thing comes through like an archetype into your brain like it's is that dragons are you think they're archetypes I mean there's so many of them right there's the Chinese dragon the Japanese dragon the the gothic Dragon you know those the medieval look dragon how many different ones are there tons of dragons if you a guess infinite dragons slightly slight variations on the dragons that's that's the thing it's like it's it is an archetypal being I've seen them they've come to me many many times always and it seems to be they're the being of ultimate power like a being of supreme power and that's the archetype that it recommends there's no animal in the animal hierarchy that trumps the dragon right he shows up everybody shuts the up exactly he comes flying in with fire coming out of his face everybody just settles down a giant flying lizard that can blow fire

14:24yeah so it represents that kind of power my tattoo artist actually had a cool thing he's like I never tattoo a dragon snarling because no dragon would ever need to snarl like there's nothing he would there's nothing a dragon would ever Roar at I got to check my dragon it's kind of snarling you know because it is that being of supreme power it's a strange thing that there's so many different cultures that have sort of captured that and you got to wonder how many different things are we missing from the fossil record you know and we know if birds exist who knows how many things existed that we just haven't found yet it's entirely possible that some weird lizard existed at some part of the world and people could see it you know some weird snake thing that walked and then the legend spread of that and then people saw a bunch of different giant lizards like if you saw

15:17a Koto Dragon if you were just wandered through the jungle and you saw a full-sized kimoto dragon and had its mouth open you would for sure think you're in the presence of a demon if you ran away from that right no cameras right no cameras you got to take things from your imagination and draw them for people what are you going to draw you're going to draw a goddamn demon a hissing giant lizard with saliva coated in botulism those are horrible monsters man those are ruthless ruthless predatory lizards giant lizards and you would draw them they would be they would be they' have wings I mean if you are just a primitive person you ran into one of those things if you ran into a Nile Croc cile Jesus Christ I put a video up of one Jack and a vulture did you see that this vulture up and got too close to this Lake they they Jack everything except for the hippo don't see the

16:11crocodiles jacking the hippo hippo Jack they stay clean look how he gets them look at this he just boom just out of nowhere get the out of here boom give me that chicken just jumps right back in there with him oh right under the water what a what a creepy animal lives in this place where you can't see it at all it's brown Water Brown water and they can hide in three feet of that for like hours they don't have to come up and they just hear the vibrations they know where you are and they just jump up and check you I think so much of the way that we developed was to try and avoid that situation our soft bodies you know all of this brain activity that we have so much of it you have to credit toward avoiding that exact monster yeah well hence the like the stereotypes that the stronger the person the Dumber the person you know like if you you have time to make all that muscle you

17:08ain't got time to read any books you're not you're not learning that soft dude over there he's going to save us that dude's over there doing physics and trying to figure out how to make swords your bench press will not help the asteroid Collision yeah that's going to be a big one that was the creepiest podcast we did last week for sure Graham Hancock Rand Carlson freaked me the out again it's too easy to not think it's too easy to just not think about the variables too easy to not pay attention to the fact that we really are just a species that's clinging to a spaceship without a roof that we just clinging to this circular orb as it spins a thousand miles an hour and hurls through infinitor which we're just hanging out on it and we don't want we don't want to think about it it's too crazy yeah the the depressing part of that whole cataclysmic particularly is we're we got

18:04all these nuclear reactors everywhere so like one goes off and then those things get all disrupted and then the nuclear radiation is the big issue that you have to worry about right do you see what they did to chural they created a dome that's two football fields long it's gigantic and they're getting encased the entire enclosure just PLS the asome of lead on there yeah that's what it looks like it's huge it's CRA it's a crazy engineering undertaking if you you look at it you go what like you just have to imagine like what kind of resources and how many brains were involved look at this thing they're going to lift this thing over the Dome is this enormous they have these designs for it they show the fully competed thing fully completed what does it say there are 30 countries you're involved this wow yeah yeah I think I mean the key is we got to elev at Consciousness

18:59to a point where we're actually looking at these situations and being able and I think that's the point that Graham and Randall make and I couldn't agree more like people have to be at a at a level where we can actually do something about that instead of fighting with each other you're 100% right look at that image that's what it's going to look like they're just going to drop that down over the site like Jesus Christ that's big that's so big that's it's so crazy how big it is look how thick it is that's insane I mean what what the does that way and the weird part is it just feels to me that it's not fully going to work just like putting like putting like a tupperware over a fart you know like are you GNA get the whole fart in the Tupperware I doubt it I think the fart's out there uh Shane Smith went down there and uh he was in Chernobyl and they were they were hunting these wolves there

19:51these radioactive wolves like what the Ninja Turtles episode I know I was like what are you talking about he's like like all these animals that live around that area they're all radioactive like oh my God it just hulks out and turns green well they probably are experiencing some mutations there was some viral video that was going around the internet that was saying that these are fish that lived near Chernobyl it showed these just enormous crazy fish slothing around this little river and they were that was the V but apparently it's apparently they just giant catfish or something like that that just do exist in some spot they're not radioactive that is deep in our psyche though that idea that radioactive matter is going to turn something into some amorphous new thing yeah and it's always it's always bad except in comic books if you're a dude if you're a dude it always

20:41works out well you always become Spider-Man or the Hulk or you know you just got to pick the animal you go into that radioactive soup with that's true too key yeah yeah you got to get a good deal like the stretchy Guy what's the guy yeah and the Avengers not The Avengers The Fantastic Four stretchy guy that's a superpower that is oh you get to bend and people get to stretch you out like taffy oh where do I sign up you got to go in with a Road Runner for sure well he's got a guy next to him that turns into fire like what the I get I just can this guy can turn into fire and fly through the air all I can do is stretch that is the most superpower of all time he can stretch he makes his arms go into circles he could turn them into a figure eight like what I don't know I fought with dwson and Street Fighter and his stretchy ability was definitely helpful does he have stretchy ability in Street

21:37Fighter yeah he could he can push both his arms out like that smash you in the leg just straight double dick punch and then he's got that the foot like the like a long ass front kick take someone out of the sky I'm proud to say I can't name any of the characters in Street Fighter nor can I tell you what they do I don't know anything about that I played that a couple of times I was like this is bullsh oh man that hit me right in the sweet spot where I couldn't I couldn't ignore it I was just at that age you know where you have all the testosterone Brewing but the frustration cuz you're little and you couldn't beat anybody up so you just play something in a video game then you can beat everybody up if you're that Avatar I wonder how many fights have been started from Street Fighter like if there was like a running tally do you know what I mean like McDonald's has how many burgers

22:20sold how many like fights started by a game of Street Fighter less than Madden for sure less than Madden cuz I see playing that and it often ends in fights yeah that should be a whole Ma YouTube channel like Madden street fights they should they should come with some gloves just so dudes love their football man they love I listen to Bill Burr's podcast and sometimes he'll go like an hour just talking about football and they they told us we couldn't do it so like who are they who told you yeah us is the US is the funny thing too cuz that's again like the identity playing this trick it's that that lust for tribalism that we all have like we want to be part of a tribe oh that team is our tribe and you'll fight for it and you'll feel shitty about it and you'll feel elated about it I mean it makes the games interesting but it also opens you up to a weird spectrum of emotion yeah

23:14you're you that kind of Pride for your neighborhood for your town for your state all that gets weird yeah till till you get to America that's where we cross the line boy America you better be proud better be proudy from here Donald Trump says he's going to put people in jail for a year if they burn the flag here's what's hilarious Hillary Clinton proposed this in 2005 I didn't know that somebody tweeted that to me on Twitter I think they're having an affair they' probably been banging out the whole time they're like either way we win yeah that's what's been going on sure all those little shitty little caddy remarks you know yep that's what lovers say to each other that's exactly right when they're getting nasty with each other mhm and then to make out tell me you're deplorable deplorable a basket what a bucket of deplorables what was it people people just jumped on it they've been

24:07the worst at like creating like memes and stuff and like the worst at coming up they were the worst at like coming up with like campaign thoughts you know there was just too too many things going on with that election where it was just like wow you guys are not not that good at this like this I'm with her don't say I'm with her don't say that's Jesus Christ like how obvious are we making it that we're just voting for a check like how obvious well it's more than that it's more than that man this everything is is getting squirly and I think one of the most brilliant parts of Jordan Peterson's podcast yesterday was that he identified in his mind and I tend to agree with him that one of the reasons why things are getting so squirely is we've removed the metaphysical underpinnings behind our understandings of everything yeah you know and so like all of this social

25:01justice and all these pronouns I think a lot of that is that we've removed the metaphysical understanding of self you know and so if you really don't understand who yourself is then you really can't have self-love self-worth self-confidence because it's all built on something else and that surrogate for self that they create is identity you know who you are what pronoun you are what you know what tribe you identify with what you do what your race is and then all of these parts of identity which really have absolutely nothing to do with self in the metaphysical sense become the thing that you defend you defend that thing as if it is yourself but it's not and I think that's you know one of the the paths that I've taken is to understand those metaphysical underpinnings like understand what the self is rather than just trying to work on self-worth and self-confidence and

25:53self-love but you got to first understand the self yeah he was a deep dude man that the stuff that he was saying about religion about the need for this understanding of Good and Evil then how it plays out and to to stay on that balance of Good and Evil and to to live you know what he was talking about a true life really fascinating because it was one of those things where he's he's thinking at an extremely high level and so when you're following him you have to be sure you're am I following him am I I'm really getting what he's saying here you know cuz talking about being someone who hates ideologies but he's a very religious man I think really the most confusing part of what he was saying was the use of the word religion because a little bit like danielli in his book create your own religion he's clearly created his variation of religion that allows him to

26:47use that word you know but for most people the colloquial understanding of religion is much much different and I think it was confusing I think he would probably benefit from maybe you know look looking at that word and seeing if it's conveying what he actually means but I think you're right but I think I understood what he saying and I think he definitely understood what he was saying the problem is you know he's he's looking at it in terms of that these archetypal stories are integral to being a human and that they've been a part of our life for so long that this recent jettison that our society has taken away from it you know we've s of sort of launched ourselves away and become more and more cynical about our roots and our understanding of who we are in this world and like what is important and what is you know and that's all great I think that's super important and

27:34that's that's what human beings are here for we're here to be curious but one of the things that I think people really do really well with is structure and when people don't have a structure like a reason to behave in a an ethical and kind way yeah or uh you know a better to strive for they struggle without structure he's and and without truth as the Bedrock like truth forms the Bedrock and I think that's what he really meant about these religious truths as compared the scientific truths these these true understandings that form the Bedrock that you can build everything else off of like again going back to self like what is the self well when you look deeper and deeper it's it's n nothing but you know the embodied Consciousness you know the Consciousness within us and then when you understand that you're Consciousness then you can ditch all of these other things that you're trying to

28:28pile on top of and make it so important like all of these identity things but you have to get to at least where my metaphysical understanding is that the self is consciousness embodied in this awesome meat vehicle we get to play around with and experience life and interact with each other and taste things and fight things and things like it's amazing but ultimately you know we're just that that spark of Consciousness yeah who the knows yeah but what what he was saying was cool because what what he was saying it was when Peterson was talking about it it was in this different level of understanding I think and he's so incredibly well read no doubt I really like what he was saying too about you know how and one of the one of the metaphysical understandings that I have I mean I think you arrive at it from different ways I think religion can obviously be a great vehicle to help you

29:16arrive at that you can do it through philosophy you can do it through experience and I've kind of gone mostly through that experience route with the different plant medicines and things and you arrive at at these different truths and that idea that you reconcile the darkness within you that thing inside yourself that is inherently has all the capacity for evil that was brought to me in in like in a psychedelic experience where I was going in and I realized that I myself was all the darkness and all the light I was good and bad array on a spectrum and was capable of doing every good thing and every bad thing and it was the most horrifying experience I've ever had like like recognizing that I was all of those things but the only thing that made it that decided who I was was Choice and then that choice was enough but you had to First reconcile the capability of being everything

30:10before you can layer on that element of all right I am everything but I choose to be this I choose truth I choose love I choose to have faith against the fear and that's you know that's ultimately then who you are but going down into those Subterranean depths and realizing that we all have up thoughts you know we're all a little bit off here or there and I think it's super important to reconcile just like watching that Road Runner Jack that snake we're animals we're living organisms and we're living organisms that are aware of this crazy sea of genes that we live in just sea of cells competing for survival in these weird forms with these weird rules and we're in that but we we're as far as We Know were the only ones that are aware that we're in it unless dolphins are aware they could be aware you've ever heard of something called The False killer whale dude I was

31:07in Hawaii this week we did a little fishing with the kids had a great time and we're on this boat and this guy Steve who's on the boat with me uh who's one of the guys working on the boat told me that they had a runin with these false killer whales where they were pulling in these 50 lb Tunas and this gigantic 20 foot long thing that thing you ever seen one of those no what the dude how did I not know that that existed this crazy looking weird whale thing with giant ass teeth and they call him false killer whales um I don't know I guess it's like some sort of a dolphin subspecies or something so this uh which it killer whale is too they're all cousins I guess but this this thing snacked this 50 lb tuna right off the hook just ripped it off in front of him while he was pulling it in and so they said oh Jesus Christ these things are going to find let's let's get out of

32:01here we'll go somewhere else they went 5 miles away these things followed them five miles and jacked two more fish wow wild wild world out there this weekend I had a porpus steal a tuna from me we were catching these little amberjack Tunas they're not that big like a big one is like 20 lbs is like as big as they get they're like mostly like 10 lb but they're really tasty anyway we're catching these things and I'm pulling him in and he's going crazy this thing's going crazy and the the skipper says there's probably a porpus chasing it I'm like no way he's like yeah they do it all the time they grow up going around this there's this one area where these uh these Tunas live skip Jacks that's what they're called not amberjack skipjack Tunas and this one area where they populate these dolphins have grown up to know that they can hang around those boats and they wait until someone catches one

33:01and then when they're fighting it it can't move very quick so they swim up to it while it's on the line and they just Jack him and he jacked it right in front of me right in front of me I'm like no way and I see this dark shadow underneath the water come near this flashing fish I he got this yank this crazy tug and then the line goes limp thanks for making easy for me whoa this ppus just jacked that tuna right in front of me seals do that with the Nook salmon out in British Columbia too yeah they pull your salmon off the line they're smart I mean they figured out that if your line is taught the fish ain't moving anywhere it's fighting it's trying to go this way the drag the real that's like easy one to get yeah and you never hook those animals too they're they're too smart for that they're like he said he hooked him before said he hooked him before I didn't know that

33:45they they accidentally had snagged one before oh like body snag like fou hooked it body snack like a dolphin the dolphin will eat your fish too but you don't see people they'll get caught in Nets they just can't see them but you don't see them get caught in those hooks yeah they never get that was one of my bits that you if people lived in the water you'd catch them all day like this difference between dolphins and people it's like they eat fish but we don't catch them when you go fishing like it's kind of crazy but the um the guy said that they had to pull one in some I I forget what the circumstances were but it got foul hooked and they had to pull it in and uh release the hook take be really careful with it yeah bomber yeah going back to what you were saying though about the self being this like collection of cells I think that's really kind of interesting because the self is so many

34:31different cells that are kind of sending competing signals to the brain all of them trying to almost VI for their own Survival and and then the brain puts out like a prime directive of what the things that are best for that but now that we're understanding so much of our gut biome and how much that contributes to the self it contributes you know neurotransmitter production immune cell production but every time we we drop a bunch of that gut biome into the toilet I mean it's it's going to feed on the on the feces and then we drop it in there so it's like our self is changing you know every time we take a dump like that collection of things that we call Self which are some pathogenic organisms some helpful organisms some skin cells all of it's contributing to self all of it's contributing messages to the brain and it's changing at all the time and I think that's why people when they go

35:22looking for the self it's so squirly because what is the self I mean it changes every single day you're a different self when you're angry or happy or mad or in love as when you're inspired or after a workout you're a different self than when you start we're just it's amalgamation but it's almost an ideology of self to call it one thing and to call it oh this is me we're really we're just as a lot more nebulous than that and that's why people get confused and they want to cling to something Concrete in ideology ah self here I am I am well you got a a vague idea of who you are yeah like you kind of know you know a neighborhood oh I've been down this road I know this road but you know you could go down a bad Road one day you know go down that someone towed your car and they weren't supposed to Road and you're like oh I don't even know this dude there's there's weird parts of you

36:14that come out in weird altercations or weird moments of vulnerability you go wow I didn't even know that person was in there yeah like just looking at even as much as I think about it I'll still get stuck in weird self land like this past Saturday I don't know what what it was all the Thanksgiving from like noon to 7:00 p.m. on Saturday I was a I was the worst I was the worst I like I didn't even want to hang out with myself like and then I just at some point like around 7 o'cl I was like oh my God like what is going on were you uh did you eat too much shitty food maybe yeah I don't know what it is I don't want to make excuses I just you know was the my male menstrual cycle moment in what way were you like short with people where you just like didn't want to be around people yeah everything was like such a big deal not a big deal you know like whatever whatever little thing came up

37:07was like a life ending life shattering thing and it was this weird this weird understanding and then it lifted like a fog like just like when the clouds move and the sun pierces through and I was like what the hell was that like so that self is a slightly different self than you know the self that came after it the self that's here now self on a cup of coffee versus that and so I think you know it just we try to oversimplify that when really we're so much more than what we are and there aren't boundaries this idea that you can contain everything this is me this is not me I think really doesn't make a lot of sense but we there's got to be some techniques to making yourself more positive all the time like I think that's one of the things about the whm Hoff breathing that I I really like is that when when you're doing any kind of breathing exercise I think any like even uh the beginning of

37:57beum yoga when you do that crazy breathing when you breathe and then and your neck goes back I think what what that really makes you do is concentrate on on the moment and it releases excess tension to the point where you have a better ability to be yourself MH you know totally I think there's a lot of burdens that we don't recognize that cling to us and we're carrying them around and we don't realize it until we get them free and then we go ah just I needed to go run you know like there's sometimes you just go I just needed a lift I need to do something now nothing's bothering me like the same world exists but 45 minutes a rigorous exercise and you don't give a about it anymore and this thing that was this overwhelming moment in your life like it's all a matter of perspective and the best perspective that I find is when I can tap into that Consciousness element what you can call

38:51it your people call it your higher self whatever there's a billion names for it but it's the best version of yourself you know like who you are at your very very best when you're filled with the most love and the most peace and the most like inner just contentment and satisfaction like your best self and then when you can act find ways to access that I think absolutely right yoga breathing flotation you know nature Flow State all of these ways are ways to tap into that best self which is usually you know anchored in the present moment and is you at your very best and from that van point you see the obstacles laid out in front of you and maybe they don't go away but maybe you can look at them you know as you should like an advantage an opportunity to grow stronger you know yeah just perspective I think there P I think all those things including marijuana and a lot of other

39:43psychedelic compounds they're perspective enhancers and I think that's what they're here for we just we equate them with the negative aspects we know that some drugs have on people so we know that you know sometimes they can be bad but I feel that same way about religion and I feel that same way about government I feel that same way about a lot of things just because certain aspects of it are it doesn't mean it doesn't have some massive benefits for us like even look you could call like religion in a lot of ways is like Bill Cosby okay cuz Bill Cosby did some horrible some horrible most likely right but he made a lot of people laugh yeah right there's a lot of people if you at the number of victims versus the number of people that benefited from it him you'd go wow what a complex situation this is you have this monster who also is doing amazing work yeah like he's making people so

40:39happy everywhere and he's enforcing this like really positive way of Behaving and thinking for people like you could never imagine yourself swearing around Bill Cosby you know he was this upstanding PhD guy I think in a lot of ways that's the same way about religion like if it wasn't for religion and I'm not an advocate of religion currently like to use it currently in the same form that everybody's using it but I'm just saying if you looked at like humankind as a whole if it wasn't for believing that we had these crazy rules then we had to do good otherwise the deity would come and strike us down if if it wasn't like the fear literal the literal fear of God that kept people from just raping and pillaging and doing whatever the they wanted to who knows how much longer it would have taken us to get to the place where you can fight over gender pronouns yeah right it's it's almost

41:30like a A system that may at some point have been necessary you know we don't know the people we weren't around the people 3,000 years ago we don't know what they would have done without the threat and that fear of God because there was no DNA evidence there was no you know inspectors and detectives so maybe it was necessary but clearly now the Dogma that's surrounding it is an impediment to our happiness an impediment to you know the the better truths that are going to hopefully make this world you know a more positive place for everybody well they be I think you nailed it when you said like a program because I think that's really what it is it's almost like a program that human beings sort of manifested to travel to the next stage of development like look we're just not going to get here tooth fanging claw it ain't going to work boys okay you know we got agriculture but

42:20we're still behaving like Monsters you know and they had to just figure out things to worship things to love things to cherish things to believe in and then they pass these things down it's like this higher daddy this higher daddy thing that's what it is man the problem is a couple people got it saw that jacked ited and then manipulated it for their own power to came along yeah exactly I mean that whole move of all right you you can't talk to God to talk to God you got to come see me and you got to build me a big house and you got to pay me every year and then I'll translate that message you know to the Divine on your behalf thank you very much my favorite version of that you ever see the dude who took pictures of himself in heaven no that's awesome he he went to heaven passed her he came back he had a suit on in a white background white background and he said

43:09he was in heaven he took photos and he put him up on Instagram hell yeah that's you know it's good and he was selling the photos he was selling the photos of him in heaven yeah come on son well I think to in order for that to work for people you have to break the brain early and I think you break the brain by saying something like fear God look at this amazing I thought it was all white man why does it have like a rainbow Hue to it is that the same photo so hm that's weird I could have sworn it might be another person no it's the same guy it's definitely the same guy and that's the same photo but the image looked yeah see in that image it was it was white in some images it was I think somebody added something to that photo I think they put like the the sun rays and that's the one the one see the one above him with the suit not that one right there kept going to the second

44:05row second row yeah there you go click on that one that was the image it was just him with a white background he said yo I'm in heaven dog Jesus loves you bro Jesus loves you I'm telling you man and he was selling these photos slick uh suit though I like his suit what's that ruffle shirt what does it say what he saw will burn your heart what yeah I don't know if that's saw will burn your heart I don't want my heart burned I think it's burn your heart I think it's good the way it is imagine if there was a heaven and we were just talking imagine if like one day the space shuttle takes the wrong turn and it's on its way up into orbit and it just pops through this little hole like oh we're in heaven damn we're in heaven oh my God and they get out take their headgear off they can breathe there Angels hanging around up there it's like you know I think it's just people have made that wrong turn

45:03like Jordan Peterson was saying of taking these things as literal when they should be metaphysical like we all have the ability to create Heaven and Hell in our own life which was a point he eloquently made and then you know when we are pure Consciousness what I've experienced at least from from all these psychedelic experiences when you when the body disappears and becomes less prominent in your thinking and you are what's seemingly just pure Consciousness you know there's also that opportunity there for heaven to embrace all of the love and then there's also the opportunity to look back on your life like what the you know I really I made these choices that hurt these people and that is this almost hell you know so so hell in heaven is again you know as above so below it's just a mental state you know and that could be the same very same mental state that we

45:51go across but instead we tried to make it concrete we tried to you know Salvador Bosch you know tried to create all of these horrible things of things biting you and burning you and eviscerating your genitals and prying you apart when all of that is really a metaphor for what's happening in your mind you know not an actual place yeah like the mind of Dick Cheney yeah like how does Dick Cheney go to sleep without pills you know what kind of what kind of dreams does that guy have you know o and what happens when he's liberated from you know from all of the rationalization you know like when when all of those things disappear like like you know you get in the float tank and you see all these things that have allowed you to think a certain way and then you go floating and then all of those structures go apart and you look at that thing you did and go huh was that cool

46:40or was that douchy you know like because but he's never had that moment he's never stopped the hamster wheel long enough to get still to be able to look at his life from his higher self and be like whoa what am I doing look at all this momentum look at all the software viruses that my open open source Consciousness has picked up along the way these different fears these different greedspeed somebody else's heart yeah they they cut him open and put another dude's heart inside of him that is crazy to think that human beings can do that that we could fix they could take out your lungs man they can replace your lungs with someone else's lungs I think that's all helpful to thinking about it because the more we lose that attachment to this body as being like anything but the machine the machine that's going to allow us to experience Consciousness in the physical form I

47:43think when we really look at that then that's going to be a helpful kind of metaphysical underpinning so we're not so you know caught up in these in these elements that are causing us so much discomfort and suffering right we're not trapped yeah in this idea what we are yeah but like isn't it inevitable if they if they come up with bionic eyes they let you stare at the sun you can watch Netflix on them and they're way better than regular eyes and they give them to people who lose their eyes first and then people start going scoop these shitty out and give me some of them good eyes yeah and you get them good eyes and you start I mean everybody has the good eyes you just walk around look at each other wink you know you know I got the good guys you got to go you can see each other could read sports scores flying in the sky just the hardware upgrade yeah an

48:31upgrade you can have binocular vision you can decide to zoom in on things far off into the distance why wouldn't you do that what do you like seeing out of your shitty old bloodshot ass eyes yeah you upgrade the hardware and then we just got to make sure that we're upgrading the software and eliminating the viruses running those system checks to get all of these bad programs out of our head get the better metaphysical truth programs like like the Platinum rule like you know you everybody is you living a different life treat them as such you know like get some of these other software programs running discard the old ones then upgrade the hardware all you want and but both have to kind of come in conjunction otherwise we'll do what we did with technology elevating faster than Consciousness technology elevates fasting the Consciousness then we just each other up better yeah

49:22we definitely do that I think also technology is just it's just trying to get us more and more addicted to it I was thinking of this the other day when I was flying back from Hawaii I was thinking of how many people I see stare at a phone at the airport at the mall at a restaurant myself I'm staring at my own phone I me I'm not immune to it we're all staring at phones and I'm like if I was a pilgrim if you took took you went back in a time machine you grabbed a pilgrim and you dragged him to 2016 and you said what are you saying they'd be like my God they're all they're all prisoners to the Looking Glass they've been capture like they were like it's like they're under a spell they're under a spell they stare at a glass screen first thing in the morning they check their email they go to work they stare at a screen they look at their navigation system while they're driving to work they get

50:16home they watch TV before they go to bed they check their email again they're just staring at screens they're living their lives through screens I would think the they're looking glass it's captivated them I would think they were under the spell of glass like there was something about something be they're not moving they're just sitting there in front of this thing all day they're almost there's almost no movement almost all the time you're in front of a screen you're just sitting there yeah if you saw that and you had no idea what the a television was or a phone you were just a person from another time period and you said what do you think's going on like well these people are under a spell they're clearly under a spell spell like it's giving them something yeah but that's what a spell is I mean when the when the the the the hypnotic dancer dances in front of you and then all a

51:03sudden you don't even know where you are anymore it's cuz you're looking at something cool you're at the strip club when that happens by the way you don't know where you are yeah you ate the edible that Joe Diaz gave you that was mislabeled on purpose you this is what you're seeing you're you're seeing something amazing and that amazing thing is making you want more of it so you're you're spending more money to get a better computer to make better explosions on the bigger screen that has the better sound and it keeps going deeper and deeper and every new phone has some new way to get you excited and you keep you're staring at the newest and best screen and you just locked into this this sort of hypnotic trance of Technology oh it allow well it allows you to Bluetooth with your navigation system it sinks up to your car and like you're still staring at a screen and not doing anything

51:54doesn't matter what happening the same effect is taking place you're staring at a screen I think what's what's interesting to me is I think we're in this intermediary intermediary stage where we're watching this rapid advancement and things are getting more and more interesting but I think there's going to be a Tipping Point where technology is so ubiquitous that we'll actually it'll it'll kind of settle into our lives in a better way maybe some people will get completely lost but I think a lot of us are already reaching that point point where it's almost too much and it's forcing us to make our own boundaries put our phone down you know this idea of put your phone away on this Retreat there's no phones here we're starting to develop the counter reaction to it but it has to get to the point of ridiculous in order for us to do you know have this kind of counter reaction and I think

52:43that's the way it's going I I think that's like using them Fred Flintstones brakes on a Formula One car good luck we're going to put our phone away for a whole hour you know like it's just sitting there in your bag calling you oh bre come touches us again my precious yeah my precious the only the only hope that I have for that philosophy I was espousing is I like I learned I thought of something at Burning Man and at Burning Man oh Burning Man there was it's so much like you have no IDE you can't even fathom how many lit up amazingly beautiful fire breathing art creations dancing people half naked people fully naked people orgy tents this crazy amalgamation I mean I was in this like Thunderdome they rebuilt the Thunderdome basically and they had people on bungee cords and two topless chicks were smashing into each other on bungee cords beating each other with foam Sabers as

53:44like house music played behind and a fire breathing dragon car like rode by breathing fire like that is ridiculous sounds awesome it's ridiculous but after you've been there for a while like you realize the times that you enjoy the most are getting high with your homies in the RV you know like that's the absolute best time you have at Burning Man and those like just laughing and hanging drinking a beer in the RV don't you think that's enhanced though by the chaotic environment and the fact you have this crazy feeling like wow we're here we're here that's kind of what goes on at a place like that right it's like wow we're here yeah yeah all of it contributes but but then just realizing like we can do that RV moment anywhere like you don't need to be in burning man you don't that is the most special like the most special is the simple so you can take all this technology does all this

54:37awesome stuff but it's never going to beat like that hike or that time you're hanging and playing with your kids or that time you went fishing or that time it's never going to beat that right you know so and you start to realize that when it gets to the ridiculous it's just when it's on this kind of intermediary level that is hard for us to figure out I think yeah well I think the only way to truly appreciate the natural world excuse me to truly appreciate the wonders of the natural world is to to be engaged in it separate of the electronic world like if you're on some crazy hike but you're also staring at your phone the entire time you're walking you you're just not going to get the whole Fe like if you if you're hiking in Yos and you know some of those incredible views and Vistas and you're traveling around this amazing nature just like you're not going to really take that in

55:26if you're looking at your phone all the time or thinking about what picture you're going to take yeah yeah a bunch of selfies yeah cuz you're inherently there's nothing about the phone that is in the present moment unless something is immediately popping up right like it's all about the past how I look you know if the future how what am I going to post what's going to come so it takes you out of the present moment and I think present moment is really the only pleasurable state that we have on the planet is when you're present it's those screens man calling you come look at me selfie time it's selfie time and your ego is just pring look at all the likes I have 5,000 likes for my ass 5,000 likes yeah you put filters on and want get that angle perfect got to get those it's so seductive though I mean even before even before there was you know these phones and selfies there

56:20was paintings and then there was just your appearance in general so people would get seduced by them you know their reflection in the mirror and looking pretty you know and then all the way back maybe even before there was mirrors there was that time in the brook and that's where you get that uh the myth of narcissus who just couldn't stop looking at his reflection in the in the waters of the stream you know and that was like the original point of you start looking at yourself not as self separating yourself from self you'll never be in the present moment you'll always be looking at yourself judging yourself and that's a game you can never win you're not going to win that one no what what how much do you think it cost back in the day to get your portrait painted like if you got your portrait painted back in the Renaissance you were a bad right you had some cash man you had you sat there

57:08and looked Regal with your best clothes while some dude just painted you for how long how long does that take well they would pose for marble busts back even before then like you go back to the Roman Greek times that's insane I don't know how long that takes for you to get carved in Marble yeah that's insane and you can't move yeah but the ego is is so seductive you know you want that you want to portray that image and the problem is it's just always so vulnerable like it never feels confident no matter how wealthy you are how good-looking you are it's always un Shaky Ground because it's all nonsense you know your Consciousness and that's enough like you don't need to be all of these things but you do though if you're that guy if you're that guy that sits there for the bust I mean that's one of the things I was thinking when I was in Rome and I was going through the Vatican uh

58:01we were looking at all these different sculptures like that there's no way everyone was jacked like everyone was jacked everyone everyone everyone had a six-pack everyone but I thought it's so polite how they made everybody with a small dick so nobody felt like do you know why they did that so nobody felt like it was too small no no no no it's interestingly enough I I asked of course and uh the the guy told me that in the Roman age it was considered barbaric if you had a big penis like you you weren't a person of culture or thought if you had a big penis and whether he's correct or not I'm not sure Jamie look that up please but that's that's interesting that like these little dick dudes that say listen this big dick thing it's a fad okay don't get attached to it they're all brutes and and that's why we're in this mess in the first place it's all those big you want a solid a solid Roman

58:56Catholic government you need a little dick dude with a six-pack just jacked to the tits looks like GSP with a leaf over his dick and the leaves were a lot of the leaves were put over the dicks later and a lot of the leaves uh the the like style of the leaf over the dick post Constantine yeah it happened later after some religious period they just decided to stop looking at Dicks they just like what what this has been in front of us the whole time oh my goodness that's I mean it's it's really like that classic example of let's make something that we're not you know let's make that bad you know that thing is bad so that we don't have a big dick but I mean I think there were also the honest inclination that guy's got a hog in a half though look at that one is that the devil he's the devil yeah the demons always had giant dicks you don't want that girl that big dick

59:47demon monster um yeah that guy's got a hog put it away Jamie tired of looking at it it's um it's it's it's just weird to think that they were struggling between like I guess a big dick represented virility which represented Conquest which represented War which represented Strife like all those big dick dudes just coming over the mountains big Shaggy beard swinging swords and Bren the G we got to stop this cutting himself and yelling in his bare skins on mushrooms as he's looking at a line of impenetrable Shields that guy that guy yeah yeah you don't want that guy in his giant dick that guy probably had a hog or sure just hair braided around it like Princess Leia's helmet on his balls yeah I mean if a girl tried to suck his dick she's literally sucking on one of those cat posts it's just a hairy dick hairy like a like would you imagine a buffalo dick would be like all these just random

60:49hairs hanging off of the shaft of his dick just dreadlocked Barbarian dick yeah he probably coms a a bright white bright white like toothpaste just raw just catches the Moonlight and glows yeah boom shoots out looks like bones like liquid bones coming out of his dick you could you can't have that guy around his big dick you need little dudes with sixpacks that look like they could go gay at any moment in time they did yeah every one of them was just ready to suck a and conveniently the dicks were small so nobody gagged maybe that's what was going on too there was a lot of dick sucking back friendly it's just a friendly little dick you know they didn't have those Barbarian dicks to deal with wonder when they realize you shouldn't dudes all the time when when they realize when like because people who essentially weren't even gay were dudes right not there's

61:47anything wrong with being gay let's just get that out of the way I'm not judging in any way homosexuality but I'm saying that it's it's uh less likely than being straight but back then that was on the case gay acts whether you an actual gay person not that's the question were they gay were there more gay people were there more bisexual people or was everybody greedy I think it's I think it's a combination I think we're naturally a lot more bisexual than we act on because we're everybody's also naturally quite a bit homophobic and that's that's part of it but I also think they were kids back then and it was like there was like the momentum of kids like if you're a kid and you get by a dude like I think there's got to be a correlation there between you know having the desire to do the same thing it's just like if your dad beats you then you want to you know beat when

62:38you're a dad it's this the same kind of ingrained thing and I think they just got this momentum of kid and then that probably contributed along with just the open-mindedness and not being homophobic actually they they sometimes are homophobic against the people who would receive the dick but the people who were supplying the dick it was like prison R it's kind of like prison it's basically like the whole society was prison you know because if you're if you're the pitcher you're not really you know it's kind of normal everybody's a pitcher the ccher you know and that was like one thing that if you look at some of the graffiti when Caesar was taking over power like some of the graffiti was calling him like the catcher oh like like Caesar you catcher you know whatever whatever word that was for that you know cuz that was still a slight like you were supposed to at at

63:25the most viral if you're head of the Roman Legions you know you want to be the pitcher when I was in high school my friend Jimmy Lawless who I'm still friends with today I love that dude but uh Jimmy Lawless what a great name by the way it's right up there with Eddie Bravo but he uh we knew this dude was bisexual we were kind of weirded out because we're you know I think I was 17 and Jimmy was 18 we're like what the like what do you think what does that mean like uh do he G you know he goes I don't know if I believe in bisexuals I think they're just G greedy we started laughing we started laughing so hard cuz he was only like half serious but cuz I think they're just greedy I'll never forget it so when any it's like so burned in my head as a 17-year-old that laughed at everything you know I had a 17-year-old ridiculously stupid sense of humor and to this day if someone says bisexual I

64:17just think of him going they're just greedy well it it is I mean humans have put their dick in everything anything anything jacuzzi couches sheep flashlights people men women whatever that's how we met yeah well I think we should clarify Aubrey and I met when he worked for the fleslight if you didn't know Aubrey worked for a company that a fake vagina you'd have sex with a gelatinous fake was like May some sort of a gelatin or something uhhuh food source gelatin you can't divulge family secrets but uh um it's uh that's how we met people love to just get rid of it makes you feel better yeah and I think we got to just remove all of the stigma about it like I know it's just it's the release mechanism for the pleasure monkey and that was actually like that that word was something that came to me actually my iasa trip but that's what we are we're pleasure monkeys like

65:11we're here to soak in as much pleasure laughter feel all the things that you can feel to your body hit all of the pleasure buttons like why would you have a pleasure button and not push it doesn't make any sense like push all of your pleasure buttons let's feel what that feels like let's go through and and finish this existence in the material form saying like man there was like you don't want to have that button you're like man I heard that button was awesome but I just never pushed it because I was afraid and religion said this thing and this blah blah blah like push the pleasure buttons like let's push it yeah you know recognize that that's what we're here for and stop stop stressing so much about it like the idea that you should be guilty for your pleasure like you don't deserve it like you do still have the Echoes of the Puritans that landed here and sort of tried to

65:58reestablish I mean what what what's really similar to a lot of other crazy religious ideologies views on sex like really rigid restrictive sex practices you know and that stuff stuck it's hard to shake that off it's hard to be grown adults like you are with your friends you know like you are with your friends you talk about sex you know it's just sex it's it's what people do it feels you don't say oh she wants sex that dirty dirty demon possessed woman you go yeah look at her she's hot I bet she wants dick all day hot girls like that's probably like what's going on you look at Jennifer Lopez's ass like that's that's the ass of a woman that probably enjoys a dick right you'd hope so you'd hope so it seems like there's some system there right like it attracts them she probably likes them it's like a flower and the the bees land on it the flower wants the bee yeah exactly it's a

66:51mutually the more fragrant the flower the more is Desiring mutually beneficial relationship but somewhere along the line people decide to restrict it and they really clamped down on it and I think it was during the hard times and I think there's just so much there's so much to the restriction on sex that I think also has to do with our worrying about people not being able to handle hard times if they come again like there's a lot of people I think in this world whether they're Preppers or whether they're people that are just concerned about the future of the world they're really worried that people are losing and ironic it's funny because the people that would be more restrictive when it comes to sex are usually the right- wiers but the right Wingers are least concerned about environmental damage they're more concerned about fiscal profits like currently and then

67:36the leftwing would be much more concerned with environmental but much less restrictive when it comes to sexuality like the the idea that you could just run around having sex with whoever you want just experiencing pleasure and not committing to people and having a good time and smoking a little pot drinking and dancing and just enjoying life that's not good for Commerce right that's not good for business that's not good and so if you want people to embrace the same sort of level of materialism that you're going to need to make your bottom line go up every year you got to stop these hippies and there goddamn dance out in the desert sure some burning that out there cutting back on our profits you got to look at that motivation you also got to look at the motivation of of just control you know like you take something that someone is going to think about all the

68:29time all the time and then make them guilty for that and make it a sin and make you the one who can absolve them of that sin you got them locked like every single human on planet Earth is going to sin and they're going to need you to rescue them from Hellfire boom it's like the ultimate rear naked choke on the human psyche right cuz no one's going to be able to stop themselves from having sexual urges and thoughts and if your thoughts are a Sin and you're the only one who can take it away from them it's the world's greatest con the world's greatest con might be making prostitution illegal right like how do they figure out a way you can anybody you want for free like there's no it's not like it's illegal to it's not like murder you know like you just can't go around killing people I don't care how much you pay you can't go kill people that's not what we do okay we're civilized but you

69:20could just go get some coke go to a bar start doing shots with people next thing you know you're banging people you barely even know them right if you're some wild person you could just if you're a girl especially godamn you could travel from place place to place and give it away and and just get dick every anywhere you want right well that is okay but if you go there and you actually exchange pieces of paper or coins that's not good or Bitcoins what the like how is that possible man Bitcoin prostitute that's high level I'm interested if I can pay for I can pay for my sex act with a Bitcoin really smart girls too they show up they just see things differently I just think it's insane that you could pay people for massages you could pay people to do your nails you could get pedicures and manicures and you could have people do all sorts of stuff to you

70:13wax you and just don't massage your dick it's it's crazy and I you know honestly I think it's it's this special distinction that that religion is given and yeah there's some consequences to sex there's potential pregnancy but we've mostly eradicated that if you're really trying at least if you're trying you can eradicate that that issue and there's some there's some diseases so there's some consequences I get it I get it's a little different than a massage where you're less likely to get you know anything of condom you filthy animal ex there almost zero disease problems but the amount of the amount of difference that people give that to like like you imagine your girl getting massage from a dude and you're like yeah okay but then he massages her vagina oh man the stomach the stomach feels funny and you want to puke and you want to fight him and you want to stab him in the throat

71:00for touching the girls pleasure and you just think how wet she probably was she couldn't believe how naughty this was she's probably leaking down the side of her legs like oh my God she probably came immediately soon as he his thumb just gently rubbed up against her she just her toes spread out her feet cramped up Jesus and everybody felt so naughty naughty naughty naughty terrible person terrible rulebreaker violator of the trust it's so crazy man we just got to all we just got to all look at each other and be like we're all just pleasure monkeys it's cool where you get your pleasure I'm not your pleasure dealer you know let's love each other and just be cool yeah it's going to take a little while they came close to that in the' 60s for a while you know I mean you think about the difference between the 50s and the 60s think about like the people in the 50s were like locked down

71:58watching Hawaii 5 and actually that was probably the 60s draget that's what I was trying to think of did you ever see the draget thing where draget guy Joe Friday is talking to some hippie some goddamn hippie and he's explaining to the hippie uh how easy they have it and how how lucky they should they feel Living in America today with all the people that have sacrificed so much to allow them to dress like silly people and it's so hilarious cuz sounds like a person to this is it like listen to this else is fat and selfish and you're the first generation to come along that's felt dissatisfied they all have you know about different things and most of them didn't have the same opportunity and freedoms that you do let's talk poverty most places in the world that's not a problem it's a way of life and rights they're liable to give you a Blank Stare because they may not

72:43know what you're talking about the fact is more people are living better right here than anywhere else ever before in history so don't expect us to roll over and play dead when you say you're dissatisfied it's not perfect but it's a great deal better than when we grew up 100 men standing on the stre Frid in a per strictly business suit and the dudes who he's talking down to look like they're the dudes in the back of the Jimmy Hendricks band that nobody can tell you their name look at these I mean there's like Jimmy Hendricks and the dudes he was with and I'm sure if you're heavy duty music head you're mad at me right now I understand but know this I'm a giant Jimmy Hendrick fan obiously giant I don't know who the he toured with I don't know who those dudes were I have no idea people when they see other people having fun and they don't feel like they can get there they want

73:33to on it yeah that's you know like that's like oh these guy look at it having all this sex getting ey they look happy as like that's going to cause it's that resistance towards towards joining it that if they actually just relaxed and and did it they'd probably feel good but they can't somehow they feel like they can or they shouldn't or they won't so the reaction is to remove that thing to squash that thing to make it more like them so that it feels so they don't have that you know those eyes that are looking over there saying oh maybe that life's better what's wrong with me how come I can't do that you know so people on it I think the lines are being blurred though between like uh really like hardcore noons people like a Joe Friday type character and the hippies those lines are getting like there's a lot of people that like go in weird slots like how'd that guy

74:20get in that oh he's in a weird spot like he's kind of both of those things there's a lot of those people now that you can't really lock them down you can't say this is a right-wing person or a leftwing person or this is a noons discipline get to work person and this is a pothead and this is a guy who likes to do mushrooms and this is a guy who gets up in the morning and runs they might be the same dude now like there's a lot of like crossover between people who are like very disciplined hard workers but also experience pleasure and also understand that this is we are a temporary life form hurling through Infinity wake the up and just have fun and enjoy this because this is madness and it could very well be over at the blink of an eye a giant rock the size of Pittsburgh can come flying out of the North and no one catches it until it's too late and it slams into the polariz cap and

75:10we're Diggity Diggity done we're done that's it it's a wrap there's like 50 of us left we eat each other you know we turn into mice the only thing the only thing that we're that's keeping us from you know engaging in all of these other forms we want to is this clinging to Identity and these Pro in these fear programs we like we ditch all that then then you just get wide open for everything else and it's not a new idea like the idea of the warrior poet the idea back then of someone who could go to battle and like moushi who could be the best swordsman and also be the best calligrapher and also a writer and also meditate and also you know have affairs and also do whatever like passionate love affair all of the things like at a certain point people realize like oh yeah all the things is best and then at a certain point now in our culture or at least getting to here it

75:59was like you have to identify with this one thing and that's your thing and then you defend that thing and and no man enjoy all of it well what I realized from Musashi when I was um I think I was in my teens when I read the book of five rings the first time what I realized is he was explaining this concept that was totally alien to me at the time as like an insecure teenager he was explaining this concept of to be balanced at anything to be like at your best at anything you have to have no loose ends you have to be loving you have to be kind you have to be an artist you have to be creative but you also have to be ruthless with your sword technique and you have to be ruthless with your psychology and how you engage with your enemy and you I mean he was a fascinating fascinating guy he got bored fighting people with swords so he start he started using ores from boats he

76:55started people up with ores he's like I'm just tired of these up with swords he killed 62 people in one-on-one combat with weapons whoow and along the way he developed this really intense very rigid sort of guideline for maintaining the Ultimate Warrior spirit and that was a balanced perspective it was really weird because I remember reading about that at the time and I thought you just had to be a killer man I thought you had to be you know you had to be like Roberto Duran when he was young you had to be just a Savage like that was the only way You' be a good fighter you had to be a Savage you had to be just someone who just came in Just Guns blazed and didn't give a like Mike Tyson in the early days that was the only way to be successful that's what I thought and what he was saying is no you have to be a master of yourself y a master of all aspects of

77:47yourself and there's no there's no more terrifying form of combat than one-on-one with a sword I mean he he was the master he was the guy that figured it out in a very strange time in Japanese history where he was a ronin just traveling around killing people yeah I think you know I think some of these time when you look back some of the philosophies that developed her are even more advanced than ours because when you have a strong external pressure like the like the likelihood of a sword battle to the death that forms this point of resistance where you got to cut out a lot of the all the like you really have to look at the world in a different way and even when there was the threat of of fighting somebody at any point you know that changes how you are as a man like that CH that's an external point of resistance that causes you to understand certain things about about the nature of

78:39life and the nature of your manhood whereas now we have so little external pressure like most of us can go through life and never get in a fight you know that's not something that's in a lot of people's lives still in some people's lives for sure but like like you're removed from these different things and and sports offer that in kind of a very controlled way but you take away all of these external pressures and then you get it gets really squirely because you have nothing to Define yourself against you don't have any resistance you're like lifting weights on the moon and no matter what you try to do you can't get a squat right because there's no gravity you know what I mean like and so you have to you have to go out and I think actively put yourself in situations that are going to challenge you going to test you and it doesn't all have to be phys physical that's just one

79:23way in find yourself in challenging mental situations find yourself in challenging emotional situations emotion you know challenging physical situations that's what that's what some people in Crazy relationships do they start fights they put they build up challenging emotional situations so they can escape them they make their own obstacle course to get through life no you're totally right man I think we're we're just experiencing an like the safest time ever you know and we're sort of trying to find demons that don't exist instead of concentrating on the ones that do yeah and that's to me I think you I mentioned a couple times I do you know if you're interested and want to tell that story but about the time I did iwasa because these plant medicines are that form of resistance it is a bit of a trial by fire you know it's going to you're going to confront yourself with

80:11you know some of the darkest deepest fears and concerns that you have and and that's and that's the process by which it makes you better it's not you know a magic potion it's just like here's resistance how are you going to respond and when you respond through that and you get you just get better from it you know you feel better I wonder with with California with this uh latest recreational Mar marijuana law pass I wonder how long it'll be before someone tries to do some sort of a psychedelic Clinic whether it's for uh addiction to opiates like an iog ioga ibigan uh clinic or um this Crum stuff you know this this have you what do you think about this because I did one with I did a podcast with Chris Bell the other day he was trying to explain it to me to me katom in mild doses is it katom or is it katum I don't know katum katom I'm not I'm not really sure but um in

81:07mild doses it seems to be like um like a bit of an energy yeah energy buzz and then in in heavier doses it seems to be more like a painkiller like it's almost like a slightly euphoric but numbed sensation it's a really interesting plant you know clearly I don't think there's any reason for it to be illegal I haven't found personally a ton of value from it I find Value in some other things but the only thing I found disturbing is that I was getting a bunch of text messages from people or tweets rather from people that were telling me that they had some addictive experiences with it that it was very addicted to them addictive to them so I don't know if that's true or not um I also don't know where you're getting it and what's in it yeah you know I I don't I don't exactly know how pure this stuff is I me I mean this stuff is this this is like a retail version of it the guy who sells

81:56it came with Chris I trust that but if you're buying it from a dealer which is like essentially what a lot of people had to do for a long time like what I'm not exactly sure what you're getting sure you know yeah it's coming from Indonesia or wherever it's from I would like to see some real tests done because uh to me I tried it I was like this is like a mild stimulant like it kind of feels okay like it doesn't feel bad yeah you know it's interesting once you open the doors to that scientific method with these plants you you find amazing results and I think that's what we're seeing in this in this revolution of understanding a psychedelics like I just read and tweeted about a study on uh both psilocybin and MDMA for like social angst and social anxiety you know which are one of the things like you think of the classic school shooter syndrome you know it's this feeling of being excluded

82:42from your tribe excluded from the social situation and The Angst and anxiety and all of the medications that are prescribed for these different feelings of feeling like you're not part of the group well they wanted to test T that with both MDMA and with psilocybin and they found that it was effective with both but differently so they created this game called cyberball right where they had what seemed like just random other test subjects all in a circle with a ball and but really it was researchers and then one test subject and so to create social anxiety they would play this game of catch and just not pass the ball hardly ever to the test subject so he'd feel eventually like man what the why aren't these people passing me the ball like what's wrong with me and so they tapped into some and they they would test that at Baseline as Placebo right the The Angst and the kind of

83:29concern of like man what's wrong with me why do these people not want to give me the ball and then they tested a baseline for Placebo gave him the whatever Placebo they were using and then they tested it with psilocybin and what they found with psilocybin was that it dramatically reduced their amount of anxiety their angst their stress about not giving the ball they were they were just looking at him like man look at these people they just don't want to pass me the ball that's cool you know and so and so but they could accurately tell now MDMA also reduced social anxiety but in a different way the people who were on MDMA thought they were getting the ball all the time they thought they thought like they had no idea that they weren't getting the ball they're like oh man I got pasted you all the time it was amazing they love me that's funny they're just were loving

84:14other people catching the ball yeah I'm so happy for you man you caught it oh you threw it he got it hey I'm happy for you too dude yeah MDMA could be extremely beneficial to anybody at least one trip I just found the only trip that I did I was I was like this is really you can learn something from this well it's also you know like uh mesculin which comes in both wuma the San Pedro cactus and peyote is also a serotonergic kind of psychedelic so if you haven't had a similar to MDMA in that way very similar yeah I mean MDMA is you know like a more pharmaceutical approach to elevating serotonin and that feeling that is associated with C serotonin in your body whereas you know the masculine derived psychedelics do that in a similar way but with a little bit more of a Visionary component so um but both have you know one one is just a more direct application and I think that's great for

85:08a situation like Maps is testing with PTSD and certain other kind of situations because it's very reproducible it's very like clinical reaction of what's going to happen in the brain whereas something with like wuma gives you this overwhelming experience but it's woven in with all kinds of other different things you I think the problem really wholly resides in the fact that these drugs are illegal cuz if they wer if they weren't illegal we would look at them as like wow this might be solutions for people suffering from PTSD from this from that social anxiet social anxiety and also kind of gives your your brain a chance to almost detach like a lens that detaches from the camera get a look at the inner workings of the thing and then before you put it back on you kind of get a better understanding of it it's like there's a Detachment that MDMA has like

85:55from some of the nonsense you've carried around with you like clothes that you know you've just worn it your whole life you don't realize it's until you take something that makes you go like this is all so ridiculous like well what what I think you know talking to the psychologists and psychiatrist of why it's so beneficial is we all carry a lot of trauma we all carry these things from our past that are these stories and I think that was another thing I keep talking about the Jordan Peterson podcast but he talked about that self authoring program which is rewriting these stories well he was talking about actually writing it but what MDMA is doing for people with PTSD and with anybody is it's going back and looking at all of these traumatic things in our history in our past and which is also one of the things that in the studies that they're showing they have a

86:39psychologist psychiatrist who's guiding people back to these potential traumatic events but when you're flooded with serotonin you see things in a totally different perspective you see things from the V vantage point of love and it's all good so no matter what you know situation came up you'll see that kind of higher perspective rather than that fear response that kind of cringing that creates more fear and more trauma you look at it and you're able to relax see it and say man that was pretty horrible but you know what it's okay like I'm still okay I still have these bright things and you repattern the uh you repattern that traumatic experience so when you go to draw that back up from your past you're drawing up a different recategorized experience like you're rewriting the the the software that's you know always rewritable like those rewritable floppy discs you know you

87:26take that thing out you rewrite it with a whole different Hue of your neurochemicals and the feelings that surrounding it and then when you access it again or when it's just carrying around in your in your you know memory then it doesn't have the same sting it doesn't have the same trauma and that's one of the mechanisms of action of of MDMA and also what they're looking at with iasa iasa going back not flooding you necessarily with serotonin but showing you that of these events in a slightly different perspective showing you well hey that's actually what made you so ambitious and so strong and this traumatic thing that you thought was so horrible it actually brought out all these other benefits and it was actually you know if you really see from the person who the perpetrator's perspective you know look at all the sadness that created that look at where he was coming

88:11from so you repattern that traumatic event and then it's not carrying that sign of same dramatic terrible weight that lifeless body that you're trying to carry around it's just Rewritten there's also the perspective that who you are like as a person right now is an accumulative effect of all your experiences that's what makes you who you are well if you have some mindblowing experience which is what the Psychedelic experience is you're going to change like you're going to be a different person I mean it might be a m microscopic shift of the dial like if you had a safe and you were click click click click click it might be like one click click like after psychedelic experience and then you might have another psychedelic experience you might get a double click click click you know but it's very small movements right but ultimately you're a different person so

88:58if even if it's a small movement that new experience has giv you a chance to sort of mock the things that were threatening you just momentarily totally just just just a few moments ago just four hours ago before you took the mushrooms you're like God why was I worried about that that's nothing like it gives you that opportunity because you're literally a different person now you've had this experience the problem is they're illegal if they weren't illegal you'd be able to because that's the big fear right how do I know what I'm taking of course how do you know what you're taking you don't know you don't know because Big Daddy Pharma has paid off the big daddy government to keep it out of your greasy little hands so you can't trip balls and live in the woods like a pixie the the beautiful thing is though it's coming cuz soon as they open as soon as they open the doors to

89:43clinical research it's an undeniable Force like you cannot deny the evidence that's coming back from the map's you know Phase 2 clinical trials you can not deny the evidence coming out of you know John's Hopkins and these other research institutes about psilocybin they are helping people with conditions and you just you know follow the scientific method all the way through and all the plants are going to arrive like we're going to get them all home we got to get Trump on drugs that's what we got to do for sure we got to get the new president to do DMT if we got him to do DMT it would change so much or just just a little dose of mushrooms bro you don't even have to get crazy take a gram and a half just a gram and a half for a little reset just a little reset just a little little sitb back and a little wow what what are we doing here what are we doing here exactly what are we doing here I

90:28just think this is a unique and special time and as long as we can be aware and as long as we we we verbalize that we say it all the time this is a unique and special time let's capitalize on this unique and special time let's use this unique and special time to establish a new understanding for this generation and to set things up way better for the next Generation dude my parents I'm older than you my parents were essentially raised by barbarians they came over on a boat they had no idea what was over here you know their their parents did it really like my grandparents parents did it that came over from Italy and from Ireland they were Savages man they were hardly different from the people that came over on the boats during the pilgrim days they were barbarians they just had a little bit more culture a little bit more language a little bit more this they beat the out of

91:22their wives they were always drunk they were monsters a lot of them they're just crazy people scratching and clawing their understanding of life during the Ed Sullivan Show their understanding of what the world was really all about is so far removed from the average 20-year-old with a a an internet account who can go on YouTube as long as he stays away from those Flat Earth videos he's going to have a real good understanding of how this works and a way better understanding than any grown adult with children did in the 1950s when my parents parents were kids yeah there's no way there's no you can't compete so I think that we have this unique opportunity to set up the future Society where all of this silliness that we still have to deal with like the Wikileaks email that came out about Hillary Clinton that said that she opposes marijuana quote in every sense of the

92:11word you can't do that anymore you can't do that anymore like that to me that people were still willing to support that like this oh this is better than him he grabs is it are you sure it's better cuz I don't know if it's better I I think the whole thing's a mess you can't have people stopping oh it's all about the pot with you it's all about freedom and anybody that wants to stop pot they can stop sex they can stop whatever the you want to do that they decide they can profit off of you not doing that and you think they can't stop sex look what religion did to sex sure right look how many people were burned for their sexual practices at the stake literally like you can ban absolutely everything there's laws on the books that are throwing people in jail for homosexuality that'll flare up still now like okay in different places of the world where they'll kill people

93:00for sex so it's not that that hasn't even been tried like the the ability the Monstrous nature of humans to be able to impose those restrictions on people of the sovereignty of their own Consciousness and their own body you can only ejaculate this way you can only expand your Consciousness in these manners like women can't drive they have to dress like Genies they have to cover themselves like I've dream Genie wild but yeah it's like we got to discard all that and this idea that you know these these pastors have more knowledge than someone who just spent you know a few days out in the woods doing mushrooms like are you sure you know like one dude that took the photo from Heaven he's got a lock yeah's he's all there was a story that was out just a couple days ago about uh some woman in Indonesia that received a hundred lashes for like being around a man being too

93:51too close to a man there's a bunch of people that were publicly flogged for sex crimes but there were sex crimes as similar like as as as innocuous as a woman was too close to a man like they gave her like 90 lashes or some crazy all the little boners underneath the robes was from the people who are lashing the woman here it is student gets 100 lashes for sex outside marriage in Indonesia so he got 100 lashes and there was another one about a woman that dude looks just like the male dudes in that sex BDSM dungeon porn from s Francisco where they took that old prison out and they all dressed like that and locking people up it's the same dude he just gets to do it in public oh it's even extra kinky I get to whip people in public she was flogged with a rattin cane did you say Rattan how do you say it Rattan cane at least seven times for being too clo in

94:40in close proximity to a man so they beat her with a cane seven times for being in close proximity to a man the 32-year-old male who was with her was also flogged seven times hm it's interesting list how that look at how sentence is structured the 34y old woman was flogged with a rat and Cane at least seven times being in close proximity to a man that's the hor the 32-year-old male who was with her was also flagged seven times like that's it's not the man and the woman were both flagged flogged seven times each it's like the woman horror upon Horrors this beautiful young woman was flogged because she had sex with a man or because she was close to a man the dude was flogged too but him you know and the woman it hurts so bad the woman said she cited AFP uh raising her arms in the air what about the dude the dude they didn't even ask him they didn't even ask the dude him he's a Dude

95:30that cisgendered with his male privilege his white he's probably white in Indonesia they probably would have given him a hundred if he was black yeah man it's I I went to the dungeon of the Inquisition in Italy and that's that changed my whole perspective on everything put that back up listen to this one put go back to where you were here we go look at this no no no Jamie doesn't know how to do the internet okay a man found guilty of sex outside the marriage was also flogged at least 22 times by the person delivering the punishment who is dressed in Long robes and a hood his partner who is two months pregnant is still waiting for her fate to be decided wow she's pregnant and they're going to decide her fate whoa in such situ ation officials in the province usually order the flogging of the woman after they give birth holy holy that's Indonesia 2016 that is holy that's scary that is

96:37just what happens when people decide what the rules are you can't let people decide the rules and and and have false metaphysical underpinnings have that underpinning that that's someone who deserves that kind of punishment you know have that you know you lose the idea those fundamental things that's me living a different life would I want to do that to me like do you understand the actual truth of the urges that that person had and the truth of everything you start turning everything on its head and then you get these crazy rules and abilities like and it's not just Indonesia like I went to the dungeon of the Inquisition in Italy and it was so much darker than a cane did you feel it when you're in the room for sure it was it was nauseating especially when you start seeing that 60% of these things have to do with your genitals like burning rods they're shoving in

97:24dick holes and and all the way yeah exactly for Jesus like the absolute antithesis of the Jesus message when you really look at it mystically like like from the from the what the metaphysical truths of what he's espousing and then somehow they go from that to that and I think it's again it's like that incremental creep you know towards a little bit harsher punishments a little bit more sadistic you know and and you get more and more and more and you get that you start feeding that urge for sadism that urge to to not only you know punish somebody but to do it in the most horrifying way and you know that's part of human nature well you know about the Stanford Prison experiments right yeah exactly yeah if if you haven't heard about that folks look it up um it's really interesting story they um they had these students and these college students at uh Stanford they put them

98:15through this experiment where some of them were guards and some of them were prisoners and the the guards almost immediately started abusing the prisoners yeah they canceled it they had to canel it they had to stop it short yeah it's uh and I think you know the problem is is that we all try to we all try to bury these these thoughts these darker thoughts that we have you know like all of us inside of us you you look at times of war and you know whole armies that would go part of why they would go on these contests was for rape you know like we all think of ourselves like as as men now like man I would never be capable of of doing anything hurting anybody else but inside our genetics inside the things that was passed along our lineage were Warrior cultures that probably produced our ancestors through rape like that's part of every individual these dark thoughts this it feels somehow good

99:07to hurt somebody else and the fact that we deny those entirely they become monsters you know is where if you just acknowledge and like look at them and say man I'm all the bad stuff I'm all the good stuff it's all good what am I going to choose to do you know what do I want to put out in the world and I think that's a really important important facet to recognize that you know we're all we're all up you know but it's our choice that decides you know who we really are and what we want to bring into the world are we going to make this amazing video game a better place a better game or we going to make it miserable for everybody we encounter I've always wondered about um Mob Rules like I've always wondered about the mob mentality like what is that where's that coming from is that come is that like an acceptance of War like is that I wonder if that's some sort of a survival

99:54mechanism where you're able to do horrific as long as everybody around you is doing horrific so all a sudden the the the collective mindset shifts and new rules apply like if people are coming over the fence and you all have axes and you're coming at them you're doing things you would never do on a daily basis you're hacking off arms and attacking people and once it's real it's real right once the first guy gets an arrow through the head and you see the going down like you're swinging and it's all going crazy and everyone around you is doing the same thing and no one no one could go guys guys seriously no what are we doing let's let's stop here and let's realize we could all get along there's plenty of vegetables for everybody let's stop the raping get to know these girls like they cut your head off and light your house on fire and stab your mom they

100:37would go crazy I mean that's what they did they yeah blood lust right there's a something a thing there's there's a something that happens there's a thing that happens to people when you have that mob mentality you could probably look at like Steve someone like step Cotler could probably tell you more about the you know the adrenaline and neurochemical response that's creating this version of yourself that's like supercharged on these certain things so your empathy you know your empathy ratings go way down it's like like you're looking at the Westworld control board right it's like empathy ratings way down aggression way up like all of these different neurochemicals that are changing like literally changing yourself into something that is much more favorable for those actions right you know yeah it creates a collective mindset it's like the individual because

101:25like it's one of the things you hear all the time about war is the the really Noble heroic Warriors who sacrific themselves to save others like it's one of the the main uh themes that we love hearing about like the guy who dives on the grenade to save his people to save the guys who are around him like that is something that happens in that crazy that crazy environment of that that intensity of life it's one of the weirder things about man is how many people who go through that say it was the best time of their life and they'd love to go back yeah well presence man I really think that anytime you're presents every time you're present you're it's some of the best time in your life not like Christmas presents yeah no like when you're just present like when you're you're in Flow State when you're in war because part of it is that intense threat you know like you

102:12don't have time to think about your emails that incessant you know voice from your phone to check Instagram is not in your head you're in war you know and that's unless some girls been like dming you and like damn it's going can't we're meeting up tonight for sure and I think probably at a certain level of like Tim Kennedy he might have those thoughts like it's just so calm for him he doesn't give a well it's the moushi thing yeah exactly that's probably why he actually started having to fight with ores because at a certain point with a sword he probably wasn't even getting the same feeling anymore probably didn't even feel like a sword battle it was like a like a sparring match when you know you're going 20% and you're all relaxed and rather than when you're just knowing like all right these people are coming for me it's a different kind of mental state that you

102:57get in and maybe you know the ore thing was like all right I'm just not feeling it I'm too good well he actually realized too that the Ore had a much longer reach yeah and so he was cracking dudes in the head from the outside so there was actually a good strategic element to the ore and I I'm pretty sure he Whitted The Ore down like and he would show up super late too that was his other thing D would be so tired they'd be just freak my am I going to die tonight am I going to die they be think of that for hours and then finally shows up yeah but back then I mean what what they had sunnd dials on their wrists how'd you even know what time it was yeah you could definitely get away with a lot more yeah there's a lot of wiggle room for Dawn what's Dawn to you bro midday too midday is a real up yeah midday we're supposed to meet midday oh Jesus High Noon come on man what does that even

103:44mean yeah unless you're around a Sund dial yeah and even that seems like it'd be hard to get that right nobody has had that on the wrist that was only the flin toones okay the flin toones had that on the wrist remember a Sund dial that's hilarious I wonder who the f the first dude with a watch that he carried around what a pimp that guy must have been did you say what time it is clap he opens it up like a coffin Flav of Flav size hanging from his neck like when let's let's just guess when was the first pocket watch created I'm going to say 1600s is that is that ambitious I say 171 12 oo very specific very specific it's like price is right right the very first pocket watch if you have a pocket watch tap by the way you're an if it's hanging from your vest on a string and you're drinking handmade beer you piece of stop using mustache wax stop stop dressing like you live in a different time

104:47zone look are those those Brothers those brothers that used to everybody had drank out of mason jars and all the wood was raw all their commercials like they're all wearing spats damn 154 wow people are way smarter than that gave them credit wow we were both off by I was off by over 100 Years too work for 40 hours though but good enough dude why you so picky 40 hours is a whole week you could use it for the week for working huh they were small enough to be worn around the neck or carried in a bag or pocket interesting do they have a photo of one of those is someone one of those still uh exists today see if it still exists you're a gangster cuz you get a statue made out of you if you invent the pocket watch yeah you're a dope cuz he didn't know but that was what led to the Apple watch he didn't know at the time it's going to be you can never get away is that what it looked

105:37like I wonder you think you just slap that thing out on the table if you're trying to impress a girl yeah giant giant gold Ferrari keys look at that thing yeah Ferrari keys never stay in the pocket right bringing those things out always wearing like a ring spit them around your finger wow look at the mechanism in that thing holy man that's gorgeous that's the thing that people super dork out about man is handmade watches yeah I didn't I had no idea my friend Mark delat you know Mark delr Mark delr is a watch nut so is uh Anthony girano what a what a coincidence two guies two shiny guies I really watch nuts but uh they Anthony was telling me that there's uh Anthony's the guy who's directed all my except one of my uh comedy specials I love that dude he directs UFC too he told me that uh there's watches that are half a million bucks like what that's insane for a

106:35watch I go it just it looks like a regular watch it's like looks like a regular watch I what's the deal it's really rare you know it's very accurate the mechanism is like super complex it's all handmade it takes like six months to make one I'm like what takes six months to make a watch you know you could look at this one 219,000 oh my God what is that what does it look like that's it that's definitely not it Transformer it looks like a Transformer click on that it looks like a cobra that's what the picture didn't pop up oh know it's probably loading still see how it's spinning up on the right the top oh no it's just not coming up huh should be it should be loaded fast wow though holy click on the image just click on the image instead of the link what the man 219 ,000 for the ugliest watch you've ever worn but everybody's going to know it's $200,000 and that's the rub son I uh

107:30hublo it's funny so my buddy bod was sponsored by them and he got a bunch of watches and he just doesn't care about watches so they were just like in the drawer with like the regular other stuff and I finally convinced him to to give me one and it's sweet but it's not like a big deal dude that thing's disgusting that thing is ridiculous that is so ug a safe vault that looks like they would sell it at Best Buy in the line before you leave where they have the candy they got that design from Sharper Image for sure from Sharper Image that is so ugly that is such a weird looking stupid watch look at that guy's so psyched look at my watch I'm rich look at his yellow eyes like the dude from Sin City he's like I'm rich look at he's so happy he's going to jump in his Ferrari and take it to his private jet and get his dick sucked all the way to Monaco that probably happened look at those

108:23ugly watches man they're so gross look at the one with the guy's wrist in the upper right hand corner Jamie up there yeah look look how big that stupid thing is definitely needs to be bigger that is CRA it looks like an alien locked onto that dude's wrist like some alien bug like like the running man the neck the neck piece that would explode if you a certain Zone looks like that watch might just clamp down and remove your hand your hand off boom squirt squirt squirt yeah that watch $219,000 that's so stupid it's ugly yeah this watch cost like just another way to another way to subtly on people you know it's weird man just show your show your status your identity and blah blah blah it's you know it's these these games the games that we like to play to to push our you know to what Jordan was saying like create that temporary inequality you know create that

109:20appearance of inequality I'm better than everybody because I have this giant safe Vault on my on my hand that's yeah I had a conversation with this dude about watches and uh he's like what kind of watch is that I it was one of those uh mvmt watches that's a sponsor of the podcast and they only cost like 150 bucks and they're dope they're nice they're real they're really nice looking watches and he's like oh man I thought it was a nice watch I go but you thought it was a nice watch you thought it was a nice watch but now it's not a nice watch cuz you know it's only 150 bucks like it's still it's still the same watch it tells time look at it see it tells time it's it what is this how much is this piece of 5 million oh my God it's the same company hubt so hubt has figured whatever they figured out how to find the retards they figured out how to lock them in this this one

110:08down here is 25 million Oh my Jesus what is that this is the watch part right that's like a stellar Nursery that's what it is that's how many million 25 million if you're a chick and you can get a guy to buy you that your is gold you must have that super that that Snapping that Richard Pry used to talk about in his old records yeah it's the that extends deep into the soul 30 million 30 million is that a pocket watch the pocket watch is 30 million so you're an and you spent $30 million because anyone with a pocket watch is an what is that thing look at it it says it was started work on in 1782 and was finished in 1927 by the guy's son after he died old and dope that's different that is wicked so that that was a long project 100 years to make that watch imagine you get drunk and left out at the bar hey guys I'm super sorry did you see a Priceless watch it's worth a couple

111:09houses it's worth more than a couple 30 million it's worth worth a mansion in a jet in the Hamptons you could live in the Hamptons off a watch imagine that you could buy the you could just say uh how you going to pay uh I'm going to give you a watch like what imagine going back to like going back to Like A Primitive more tribal culture and like explaining how much value you could get for something silly like that you know like like there was this watch and I could buy houses and have control vast lands and get unlimited food and and make people of all varieties do all the things I wanted just from this one little token and they'd be like what does it do and you're like nothing does nothing but it's valuable you know they would be like what the are you talking about like it's not a better Arrow like it's not a better you know it's just it's it's one of these things

111:59that comes up when you get a society of of luxury like we have yeah yeah this the status purchase the status purchase it's inter they're not even good that's a lot of them are not good like uh I've never bought a Rolex for myself but the UFC bought me a Rolex long time ago I it's just it's beautiful watch right it's beautiful but it was always running fast like 5 minutes fast so I I brought it in and I'm like this I don't know what it is but like after a month it's like five minutes fast the guy goes oh yeah yeah they always do that so you just got to bring it back and reset it every month I went what like you have to change the time every month this this watch I don't know how much it cost I don't even remember but it I don't have to change the time it's always right it's right it runs it's got a quartz movement he's like oh yeah quartz movement is just going to be more

112:48accurate than this well why is what wait a minute so these are just bad they just suck at telling the time they they're so bad at telling the time they like 5 Seconds fast or five minutes fast after like uh just a couple of months so you just got to accept that that's it you just accept it doesn't really keep time it sort of keeps time it's it's the status it's the status bracelet that happens to keep time how weird is that yeah like they're not good at it you have to check like let's see up no watch is off hold on watch like your watch just gets off like you rely on actual real clocks like this piece of that we what do we spend like four bucks on this that thing's right all the time it's never wrong you wind that up to 4:00 and then when it's 5 it'll show you it's 5 it's right it's always right didn't cost anything yep yep but it's Rolex doesn't satisfy the ego in the same way

113:45doesn't get it fired up doesn't let you get to feel better about yourself so that you know I think when you really don't know again going back you don't know the self you want to feel better by about yourself by making yourself better than somebody else because you have no other reference point of what it is so all right if I'm better than these other people you know whether it's something you have or something you are inherently or the melanin in your skin or whatever the you want to say if that makes you better than someone else then you can um then you can feel better about yourself well I don't know who I am I don't know if I'm good or bad but at least I'm better than these you know and then that makes you feel better but it's all it's all this game that we try to tell ourselves that comes from the fundamental lack of knowing who we are and knowing that whoever we are is

114:29enough and it's all good and we're all the same you say that but Boris the guy with that Transformer on his wrist who's getting his dick sucked right now while drinking vodka flying his private jet over the Atlantic he disagrees with you that girl knows that's a $250 million watch whatever the he's wearing she knows he's balling out of control on his private jet it's covered with feathers yeah yeah Boris got his whole jet decked out like an eagle the wings actually flap somehow it makes the flying worse but they flap just for effect and that's when he starts coming a when the Eagle wings flap while he's looking at his watch oh he looks at his watch at the girl then out the window in that order the best the best moment of his life yeah and then he shoots himself in the head cuz he knows it'll never be any better everything has been building to that yeah he shoots a couple holes in

115:32the plane so that it crashes then shoots himself well the Eagle wings would clearly bring the plane down actually the minute you activated Eagle Wing mode that plane is taking a taking a nose dive taking a captain Sully no one's ever gone out on top right no one's ever had like the ultimate life like that and they just said this is I think it doesn't get any better than this let's just we're good we're good boom no I was watching the lomachenko Walters fight the other night did you see that fight that boxing match God damn Vil lo I think you say vasil vasil lomachenko vasili I've heard vasili um but lomachenko is a masterful boxer I mean he just boxed the out of this dude this dude was undefeated and just footwork just unbelievable footwork and ability to predict where his where the punches are coming from his opponent where he's going to have openings and he

116:28was just lighting this dude up in the last round and uh at the end of the last round the dude just quit he just quit quit in the seventh round just said I'm done like he didn't get knocked down he he didn't get like he got staggered in the sixth round or in the seventh round he got staggered but it wasn't to the point where you thought they would end the fight cuz he ended the round on his feet went back to his Corner walk walked sat down I like this so it's over and then you know in his postf fight speech is just basically saying look the guy was hitting me too much I just I saw the writing on the wall check please yeah that's smart actually more people should do that you just want to see them for your own for your own you know desires you want to see him go out on their Shield like that's the noble way to do it is let him knock you out you why do you know why Pat Barry versus

117:12Czech Congo remember that yeah yeah you just never know never know Pat Barry versus cze Congo was like one of the craziest one round slobber knockers ever Pat Barry had cze Congo all kinds of hurt had him staggered and Pat Barry super aggressive he's turning it on and smashing Czech Congo and out of nowhere Congo UNC a bomb I mean Pat has got cze Congo all kinds of hurt he rocks him with that overhand right Congo gets up he's tagging him and it looks like he's almost out on his feet I mean he's getting getting hit by bombs here he's all kinds of hurt Pat Barry sprawling he keeps the fight standing as Congo tries to take him down he hits with another right hand rocks him again boom another couple punches I mean Pat Barry looks Unstoppable here look at this again but now as he closes in boom he gets clip with that right hand and then out cold two punches later y out of

118:10nowhere crazy I mean that is as close as someone's come to the brink of disaster and come back instantaneously instantaneously in one by knockout wasn't didn't Chris leben do that too to somebody when he was vanderlay he did that to vanderlay he starched vanderlay vanderlay came out him blast him with the right hand had him hurt but he fell into the Trap because Le punches so hard and he always had an iron chin and he just Uncorked one on vand and vand went uh oh similar thing happened this weekend right did you watch the was it Derek Brenson fought yes well similar in a way but more calculated d Brunson just got crazy and uh he fought Robert Whitaker who won Ultimate Fighter Australia the smashes Edition was it Australia versus England is that what it was no I forget what it was what did they what who was competing on all anyway Whitaker won and uh Whitaker since moving up to 185 he's

119:07so much better than he was at 170 and Derrick Brunson just came after him Derrick Brunson is the same guy who he had just knocked out um yah Hall he he caught him with a beautiful left hook and hurt him it was just crazy fight and then he came back from that sort of employed the same strategy against Whitaker but Whitaker kept it together kept together got he ate a lot of shots kept moving though kept his hands up kept his composure and then finally found an opening boom dropped one on Brunson and then had Brunson crazy hurt and then moved in on him so it was an awesome it was an awesome exhibition for Whitaker to show that Whitaker can overcome the storm of like a super confident really dangerous guy who hits hard who's had a lot of confidence because of his most recent success doing that I mean Brunson came after him really really came after him super aggressive maybe too aggressive

119:57for sure in now in hindsight you could say that but a lot of people other than Whitaker probably would have wilted to that storm so it's interesting it was a really Stern test for Whitaker and showed you how strong he is yeah was one of the one of the beautiful aspects of watching these different this chess play out with the whole body being utilized you know you're never going to beat it for its excitement level no you you have to realize while you're watching it that like life nobody gets out for free yeah like life I mean it's almost a microcosm of life it's crazy struggle and it you know it doesn't always end your way there just what what competition is in mixed martial arts is the most extreme version of problem solving we have outside of War it's the most extreme with dire physical consequences you get brained like we saw Pat Barry get koed there you know I mean that's the

120:49consequences of this game but the the the the reality or the the the take is nobody gets out anyway alive like you you can if you choose to experience this this extremely high level very short bursts understand how much resources you're burning off understand what you're doing and you know proceed wisely when I when I talk to fighters who you know sometimes question like man what am I doing to myself I'm just beating people up and that's what I do you know to remind like remind them that what really is happening is two people are coming to an agreement to provide a form of resistance for each other like at the highest level of what this is like you're going to come face to face with someone who's also training and also striving to do everything that you're trying to do which is what's going to push you up against that form of resistance and give you an opportunity

121:39not only to overcome physically but overcome emotionally spiritually psychically everything you know you'll have to bring everything to Bear against that form of resistance whether it's the weight cut or the opponent or the training or everything and there's something to be said for that the obviously the only issue for a lot of people is that you end up paying that price not only then but later if you get the brain damage you know and that's that's the only bummer of it and something that um to be considered but it's if it wasn't for that man what a beautiful way to do it like to get everything everything all together unified in one and provide that ultimate form of resistance like unbe it's definitely the most difficult physical challenge that we know of because you're competing especially at the highest level you're competing with someone who's the same size as you has a

122:29commensurate level of expertise as you and is as motivated as you are to win and you're in this crazy competition together where you're literally playing a game of press the button who you know who's who can shut off whose central nervous system quicker mhm what crazy game you you you're never going to duplicate the excitement of that with any other sport you come close like I guess football's probably pretty close for people boxing's probably uh right up there in moments you know like when Juan manal let me say that again Juan Manuel Marquez knocked out Pacquiao he hit him with that beautiful clean straight punch and just flattened Pacquiao that was about as dramatic a moment as you get in any sort of combat sport you see a Superhero like Pacquiao get leveled with one shot like wo but that woe is just so much more prevalent in mixed martial arts that wo happens so

123:25much more often it's a totally different thing and I think the the more rules that you put in in in front of that kind of Primal conflict you know the the a little bit more it it kind of separates it and makes it a sport you know like when you see boxers kind of grabbing each other and doing nothing about it you know that's when that moment of like oh yeah this is a sport right whereas in MMA there's fewer of those moments where you go like oh yeah this is a sport it really just feels like people fighting to the death you know the the only moments where you go to sport it's like you can't grab the fence or you know you can't punch the balls or oh you poked the high time out yeah yeah yeah there's moments in boxing where you go well this is kind of silly you know how come you can just hang on like this how come that guy can't trip you and take you down how

124:11come he can't kick your legs right you know it's really hard for me to watch Boxing sometimes and not think about kicking someone's legs like or someone kicking someone's legs rather not that I'm running around man I want to kick people I mean I see the way they're standing and I'm like yeah those little thigh yeah like this is effective as long as someone's not kicking your legs yeah you know but if you're you're fighting the same fight but you're you know you're fighting someone like U Joe Schilling he's going to be kicking the out of your legs yeah you know it's it's a totally different experience and he's a long dude he's going to be standing way on the outside and if you don't know how to deal with that you're only going to be able to absorb a few of those before you're useless yeah or you think of like B hari's like leaping overhand right where he commits everything all of his

124:54childhood pain into that right hand right you can't do that all the time in MMA because someone will just go duck underneath it and double leg you but he's never had to worry about that so you know it's still still he's one of the most exciting ever and he's fighting again soon he's fighting Ren be December 10th yeah that's a crazy night there's a gang of fights that night that same night Bernard h no Bernard Hopkins is the 17th he's making his final fight but uh that same night is the UFC from Toronto it's glory and there's something else going on that night too there's some sort of a boxing fight that night as well but it's a crazy night that's a that's a weird fight man verhoven and bhari bhar is a scary dude yeah literally yeah in many Savage in many many ways so fun to watch he's one of my favorites ever cuz he's so he Comm like you said he just commits

125:46commits in this extremely violent way and sometimes he gets carried out on his shield you know and sometimes he go he clearly can't shut that off like once he gets that thing going I mean he he'll want to stomp his opponent after they're down and he's just a Savage yeah he's definitely I I would love to see their uh laundry list of Mexican supplements I'm like what kind of cocktail you guys running here like he definitely has hair braided around his dick like Princess Leia dud he's so he's so big now have you seen him you seen the the most recent pull up the recent photos of cuz he put some phot on Instagram of him training and you know took pictures of him with a shirt off like what Jesus Christ he looks like he's about 250 now something like that and he's a big giant dude he's always been a big giant dude but he's like super super muscled out now look at this he's jacked dude he's

126:41jacked there's a there's some other photos are maybe a little bit clear if you go there it is right there that one in the middle what in the is going on there that dude's gigantic now yeah I mean he that that's terrifying that's gigantic he's so much bigger than he was when he first started when he first started kickboxing he was this long tall thin guy because he started like some of his early fights that I've seen during the K1 days even he was way skinnier like back in the day and then uh kick by like put uh you want to see something put B hary versus Stefan Leo um and that was just type in Leo yeah there it is Stefan Leo and this is B Hari look at like what he looked like back then upper left upper left image yeah that's B Hari then look at the difference yeah crazy he hit Stefon Leo with a spinning back kick to the face and flattened him they had fought

127:39previously and Leo stopped him with a spinning back kick to the body so uh in the rematch he he hit him with one in the face crazy but look great picture yeah beautiful you can see the find the video find the video Potter Hari KO Stefan Leo um there it is you got to think that this this dude's probably put on like 50 pounds or something yeah is this is this is Leo oh this is Dubai 2014 I think this is the other one this is that was uh yeah that's it you just had it right there this is it here it comes he throws one he misses but look how skinny is here man yeah total different guy different self yeah here it goes watch it he set it up sets it up with a jab he faked it to the body then boom goes up top damn Flatline nothing quite like a like that Barbosa kick yeah that was almost a different one though he did a sid kick to the face it was uh he didn't do it as

128:38like a wheel kick if you watch it again like rewind it a little bit he shot it as a straight kick rewind it uh he he threw it as if you see how he's throwing it there he threw it to the body that's a spinning sidekick or a turning sidekick he's not doing it as a back kick if he did the toes would be down but see how he went up there that was just a turning Sid kick to the face it's kind of a halfway between both halfway between a wheel kick and a spinning back kick or a turning side kick but it was beautiful boom looks more like a wheel kick when I look at it there but Jesus Christ perfect yep right on the butt and Stefan Leo uh who was uh he a great fighter too man that guy uh he knocked a lot of dudes out saw him knock out Peter ZZ in Vegas when K1 was just starting to come up they were they were do putting on some shows in Vegas this before the UFC was big they thought that

129:30K1 was would I think really still think it could have if it was promoted properly could have like gotten a grip in North America well it's what you know Glory's pushing that Boulder now Glory's a good example and so is lion fight I prefer the rules of lion fight though cuz lion fight is full Muay Tha yeah elbows we went to one of those in Vegas yeah that's one of the few things that I go to see live I still like to go see live yeah man high level Muay Thai in America it's like the the level of the fights is very high it's just people aren't just they're totally not aware of it yet they need to be though it's crazy exciting you it's just and there's so much talent it's not like this is an exciting thing but only like five guys are going good at it it's an exciting thing where you especially lighter weights like Thailand's full of killers they got a ton of them in Europe

130:22they got them all over the globe there's so many good muay thai fighters out there they just for whatever reason we haven't caught on yet that's why I think when I think about this time I think it's the best time ever because we get to see all of these incredible contests still extremely physical like we're still at the rising peak of our physical prowess but we're also at the peak of our technological prowess and the peak of our ability to access all of the best foods and access the best ideas and the all of the different things that can shape us like as pessimistic as people get it is for sure the best of times right now you know for the majority of people and obviously there are Hells on the planet still there's hells that we can put ourselves in there's suffering but overall on the macro level it's a it's the Golden Age Now for sure anybody argues with that it's an

131:11yeah yeah I want to go back to a time where you had to speak with Grunts and even in the future like I can't imagine that the I I guess maybe you maybe it would like maybe we've just seen too many gray aliens you know where the body kind of becomes less and less important and everything is focused on the Consciousness I feel like you get to that level and you miss this this certain you know Evolution and Epoch for the pleasure monkey where we had all of that physical access to strive and train and and feel all the physical things as well as you know reach incredible Heights in in Consciousness and medit and you know community and these these great things I think you know I think really no matter what stage before after I think we'll look back at this one like this was a special time it's definitely a special time but I think every time is a special time because every time no

132:04matter where you are on the time scale if you're in that moment you're in the most present time you're in the most current time and I guarantee you at every step of the way people were longing with Nostalgia for the past I bet they were like godamn man remember we used to rape just run across the village chop heads off and good old days bro good times before they started writing things down on paper this probably a lot of people that missed that they missed just shooting arrows just launched them in the air and whoever's over there them that's they did they made it rain arrows from the sky and like 50 years after that was over some Viking king had a slogan let Denmark rape again and everybody was excited let Denmark rape again let the killings begin a new well that was a big problem with Japan is that they didn't want to embrace the gun they're like no you can't be

132:55shooting people with guns that's such a way to go yeah you got to use swords come on come on don't be a but they they they held on too long they didn't embrace the gun they needed to get on that right away if they had the Japanese engineering that you see today in Lexus if they had applied that to guns back in the day that same knowhow and discipline they have the best guns they'd have the best guns but dedicate yourself and become Masters in the world at swordsmanship and then the gun comes along like what the is this this trumps all of my years of work with the sword Yeah Yeah man they made it easy I mean it's sort of like a supermarket did for ver versus being a substance or living off the land type person you know if you've watched those shows from uh Alaska where the people are all Liv they grow their own vegetables and and they catch fish in the river there's something romantic

133:49about it right there something that drags I love those shows man I watch those shows Simplicity of it you know you like you know your purpose every day and I think when people know their purpose my purpose is to survive get food stay warm you know and make babies like it's really comforting to know what your purpose is yeah and especially if you don't have any Internet like before they got on television I wonder how much access to Internet they even had up there I'm watch this one family that apparently you know that uh that singer Jewel do you know who she is she has one snaggle tooth but she's very beautiful and people like the fact that she doesn't fix her teeth cuz she's imperfect yet perfect um she's apparently from this one family that has this this show God damn it Alaska the final frontier is that the name of it uh but anyway it's her relatives yeah I think I feel like close

134:38relatives yeah that's that live up there in this crazy way and it's uh you know real simple like some of them farm and they raise cattle and they have to like move their cattle across this area to take them to where they graze and they drop them off and they have to move them back at the end of the year it's nuts and so while they're up there doing this grizzly bears just start ripping their cows apart so now they have to go and deal with these you know 11 foot tall giant dog things that need food constantly to consume and on one hand you can't blame them like these fat stupid cows just wandering around over by the grass all they have to do is go by the grass there's hundreds of them where else are they going to find hundreds of things that they can eat nowhere like you you just put out a buffet in front of the grizzly bear and you're mad that they're eating it's bear

135:30Supermarket so they had to he had to hunt them down it's crazy watching this guy because although it is reality TV and you do not know how much of this show is because clearly some of it's there's clearly some setup like I saw one scene where they had a fillet salmon and the Bear was supposedly getting fish from the river and it was coming too close to them while they're fishing but you never saw the two of them in the same frame and then you see the bear and the bear has a salmon that's fileted meaning like someone cut that salmon threw it in the water and gave it to the bear which is like come on stupid you know so you guys are the only people here but yet the bear you haven't caught a fish yet but the bear is a fish that has filets removed off of it shut the up man I'm not stupid yeah yeah that's the that's the TV game but does give you like a little window into the wild ways

136:20that all of us humans live which window which is cool like when I got to um there's this book before they pass away and I we talked about gave that I gave you that book yeah that book's amazing it's amazing photos but then you you start reading about these different cultures like I actually had the the photographer on my podcast and he was telling me about name um what is his name it's called before they pass Jimmy Nelson Jimmy Nelson Jimmy Nelson so Jimmy Nelson was on the podcast and uh he was talking about the HBA people which have the these amazing photos are like a really tall tribe and I believe it was the HBA and um he was telling me about their custom they live in just such a dramatically different way so they're they're like a pastoral shepherding kind of tribe so they have all of their cows but there's very little grass so the men have to take the

137:05cows on these long walks to feed them like four weeks away right but what they do is they leave one man behind in the in the village and it's his job to sexually satisfy all the women while all the men are gone and that position rotates right so that everybody gets their turn as the one dude that gets to sexually satisfy the entire Village one if girls get pissed if it's oh this has his turn yeah I hate his little dirty dick tell him to watch his little tiny dirty dick yeah like there's certain guys that they're never they're never on vacation for when it's that guys turn around some girls will like hold out they're like I'm good I'm good you can go my friends I'm gonna wait I'm gonna wait till Igor's turn eigor slangs that good dick no I wouldn't want that I only want her pleasure to come from my penis my penis alone I heard of the massage man the way he touched her anus and her come

138:05so hard I hate him with all my being one day I will remove him from this life with a sword so funny that someone who you love someone else makes that person who love gives them pleasure and ESP they ate their ass she's got her ass up in the air she's backing up into his tongue uh uhuh nope nope no no no no no no no that's the thing that makes you vomit as a man because it's it triggers these these things but it can all be worked through like you can push through the other side and that's you know or you can shoot yourself or you could or I think we played that we played that country song where it's like I flash my headlights that are window and you get all crazy in your head about just be like oh the pleasure monkey getting pleasure great yeah well men who freak out about other like girl their girl liking another guy like man you can't win that one you got to let it go because here's

139:02the thing when someone lik someone they like someone and you going to accept I can't believe it's cold I'm going to go for a walk naked don't do it you're going to freeze to death that I like walking naked I know you like walking naked but you can't go walking naked you're going to freeze to death is a reality going outside when it's 30 below zero right okay well there the same reality applies to when someone doesn't like you if a girl does not want to have sex with you but she wants to the rock there's not a lot you could say about it okay she's not you well you know the rock doesn't love you the way I love you because I love you forever and Eternity and it's not even like the body it's like the soul no it's not going to work she's thinking of The Rock and this giant samoing dick just ramming it home that's what she wants okay you you got to accept that and you're gonna have to

139:47enjoy another aspect of life other than having sex with this one person who's now having sex with a rock or be happy for her be like man that's awesome that's not going to happen let's be real you know just exactly look at that photo is that when he's holding one of the uh he's he slings those bigfoots bro those Primal bells that we have he slings that thing around like it's nothing yeah that's an enormous human dude it's it's possible to make that move man I mean I've been working on it in my own life it's possible it's hard it's hard as but you know you can you can transcend these things where and just understand that deeper metaphysical truth pleasure for someone I love makes that person my friend not my enemy of course in theory I believe you but for the sake of humor I'm going to keep talking about the rock banging your sister there he is he's got a gorilla there can't believe

140:36he us two hands what a I threw that around with one yeah the rock that's a strong human man and you know what just not just strong like physically but strong like his personality yeah way he projects himself like he's a perfect example of someone who projects like this very positive vibe man he's like this very energetic positive happy Vibe it's very infectious like I see that guy talking he does like YouTube clips or Instagram Clips rather little videos he makes and his his positivity and genuine enthusiasm and happiness is so infectious I'm a Fanboy of the rock I said it I said it I don't care you know he's got a great bit Andrew Santino I don't I'm not going to give out a word of it not a word I cannot I cannot even but if you get a chance Andrew Santino has a hilarious bit about the rock godamn it's good it's really funny but um that kind of person man

141:34like those are fuel those those are that's human fuel that guy is like a a light so like you know I've come to look at ourselves like a like a software operating system that can constantly get Rewritten a little bit by even by the people that you're around you know whether it's you want to look from the point of like mirror neurons you actually experiencing the same emotional state that the person you're around and or if it's just ideas or thoughts or whatever you want to however you want to look at it it's like adding a little bit of code to our code base and sometimes it's helpful and sometimes it's a virus but the more you surround yourself with people with that kind of positive vibe it's like building on the software in a positive way when you're around these you know more negative people they're implanting different little you know bugs and viruses that you're going have

142:17to scan and remove later we're essentially all open source exactly 100% open source human beings are open source but uh you know mind your firewall totally totally be careful put yourself in situations where you're adding to that positive code base the books you're reading the things you're listening to you know and and be careful of the things on TV too that are adding to the you know creating more of the viruses rein like supporting these negative thought patterns these these limiting beliefs these things that are not helpful for the coach and don't be so committed to to these things that you have in your idea in in your mind like don't be so set in your ideas cuz understand that people have to be just as set in their ideas in order to lash someone for being in close proximity with a man or to lash someone who had sex with a woman you those those people

143:06have the same or to wait till a woman who's pregnant gives birth before you give her a beating with a stick because she had sex that's that those people believe what they believe just as firmly and a lot of the Notions that we have that we think they're rigid rules they're not rigid rules except dudes with man buns Let It Go okay let it go stop twisting your mustache in a circle no more man bun no more pocket watch you how about that says the man with the fanny pack unironically but you know what I'm saying yeah man man buns they're not necessary what do you he doing Steven Seagal he doesn't even wear one anymore he gave it up move I got some man bun friends they going to be disappointed I know they are they're trying hard they're trying hard to wear that vest yeah those weird shoes with the wooden Souls everybody just everybody's just looking for love and they're looking to

144:04judge themselves as a good person you know and and that's that's those are two things that you can get yourself you know you can understand that you're worthy of love and Supply that and you can understand that you're a good person just being a person like you know you don't have to be better than somebody you don't have to on somebody you don't have to have this identity you know everybody could just relax and I think all of a lot of this striving and conflict and suffering you know just Falls away like you're worthy of easy though that's so easy to say like that's a beautiful concept you're worthy of love but I think people have to experience a certain amount of difficulty in their life just to exercise their system I think our system is put in place to have a certain amount of obstacles to overcome and when we don't have any or when it's like really simple stuff that's boring you

144:48know I think people have real problems with that I think you we have real problems with our minds real problems physically with our entire unit I think we absolutely need a certain amount of exertion you know and in I mean it might not even be physical like uh my friend Jon Jon Horton I went uh to Colorado with him we did a gig out there just got into chess just a mad man with the chest now playing on his phone constantly moving things around he's like you want to play I'm like that I'm not getting sucked in that goddamn Rabbit Hole I see him there on the plane can't wait to play chess soon as we're off in the sky he's on with his phone that's uh that is another discipline I mean they're all disciplines they're all these different things that you try to seek truth through I mean chess is a form of combat you know it's just not painful but it's most certainly yeah it's a form of

145:39combat it it's absolutely a form of it's a contest you know if you treated it as a war I mean that is essentially you're doing like you're breaking it down to a very innocuous very safe but very obvious what's going on I'm testing my intellect against your intellect and we're going to do it do so through a a very established series of movements that these things are allowed to participate in we have a established playing field you know the rules I know the real rules I think I'm smarter than you go and you have that little clock thing that those dudes have those dudes they they with you so they move it quick and they hit that clock and you want to move it quick too you want to say you I know that ah click clack click clack click clack click clack and you see them giving up pieces and moving fast that's a mental War they're playing a mental a some sort of a strategic conquest game

146:29yeah and that's uh you know that's one of like you said that discipline there's so many ways up the mountain but you need a mountain need something you need a mountain it doesn't it's not mutually exclusive to you know the self-love aspect you can still find your Mountain you know without thinking you're a piece of when you stumble because every body stumbles it doesn't mean you're a piece of doesn't mean that you should hate yourself doesn't mean that you should isolate yourself from the love of the world cuz you feel you're not worthy of it and this create these negative patterns like yes go out find your Mountain but when you stumble like everybody does understand that that's just life like we're all going to stumble you just get up and keep going maybe you I'm not stumbling I got this new thing I'm doing bro I'm doing a lot of tight rope walking in the house I got rope set up

147:14all around the house tight rope walking to the I figured somebody could do it I saw this thing this dude lives in the mountains just tight ropes to work you mean someone tight ropes right across these giant spaces what what's to stop people from just doing that all the time from creating like a civilization high up in the sky and if you fall down you're so don't fall and uh just tight rope cuz people love to drink that's why that's problem that's why you got to get that psychedelic honey that helps you tight rope better tight rope over to the Psychedelic honeycomb snatch it while they're you got to stay calm while they're stinging the out of and you're stealing beehive stuff you ever tried you ever gone skiing on mushrooms you were telling me how awesome that is and I need to try it I don't I skiing to me is a it's a weird thing it's like I can do it but I'm

148:01always like the consequences of this like little bit of fun is really not worth it like I do it because my family likes to do it but part of me is like don't fall down don't fall down don't fall down okay here we go again don't fall down don't fall down yeah I mean it's fun I get it and if I was better at it it' probably be even more fun but it's like dude I know too many people that have their bodies up SK I mean up blown their kneecap up to the side of their hip and their legs broken seven places and their necks never moving to the left ever again like whoa what happened I hit a tree I'm one of the lucky ones I think that's people that's why people like skiing and even why people like riding a motorcycle is like the stakes are high when the stakes are high you you have to focus on what you're doing and then you're present again so it's fun yeah got to get better

148:51at it that's what it is just coming up with ass excuses but it's is what's easier snowboarding or skiing skiing I think really interesting at least for at least for me when I've tried it snowboarding The Falls are way gnarlier and because like when you fall when you fall and you catch like your toe Edge like you slam back and like I've gotten I I hit my head so hard coming from a steep Mountain down into a flat and caught an edge on this icy part I hit the back of my head so hard that the front of my goggle lenses popped off into the air like a Pop-Tart out of a toaster right and I was like I couldn't yeah yeah was out woke up people were like helpfully like you like terrified helpfully like you okay and so that probably wouldn't happen if you're skiing huh it can but it's less likely because the way that you catch that edge and just like hook up the hook up the

149:46board and it's like a slingshot it just slams your head back down where skiing you'll like usually skit out or tumble or right you know one of those things so yeah I think the con I mean that's why it makes it harder to learn because there's these fatal crashes you do on a snowboard yeah and skiing too man Sometimes some people get too close to you like that's another problem like they don't know how to control themselves very good and they're kind of like out of control and so you have to kind of like adjust quickly to get away from them like oh like this lady was coming down like ah like it looked like she was going to go down hard but she she got by me I'm like oh I got to duck this lady and so I had to take a hard left but then the trees are right there I'm like I got to take a hard right oh it ain't working boom and I started but it was I I was fine but I

150:34was like ooh boy like that can go wrong if you're in the wrong spot when that happens like if there's a tree there and you cannot get away from that tree like you got to be real careful who you Zig and zag I'll take that out next time like if we're near a tree sorry lady we're both going down together I hope you know how to fall can't just like what they say don't swerve for the deer yeah you're supposed to just hit the gas right no no you're supposed to not do anything supposed just let it hit your car but that's ridiculous that's like saying don't blink when someone punches you right how many deers do you get to hit before you realize not to hit the gas like it takes it would be like a like you ever seen a picture of Floyd Mayweather eating a jab like he's cting a punch in the face but his eyes are wide open and he's punching back yeah because he's so conditioned to being

151:20Punchy so used to it that he can keep his eyes open as the punches are coming in and then counter perfectly you're not going to have that kind of resolve with a deer no you're going to hit that break yeah you're going to Swerve got to get one of them giant meat cleaver bumpers that they have like people who live in Wyoming and they have those Road Warrior bumpers on the trucks it just makes different stakes from when you hit him it's like cut in like T-bone and then it's like it's like extruded like Play-Doh yeah you have to like uh some places you can't just throw it in the back of your truck either you have to kind of call somebody and prove that you hit it that way because they want to discourage poaching mhm which makes a lot of sense man but man deer jumping in front of your car what are the odds that you're going to go okay you can't hit those brakes

152:09remember they said just don't swerve just hit the deer F I think some people are better at that super calm moment of like decision making and crisis like I've been around people in certain situations that like are you can't prepare for and then there's some people who just freeze like straight freeze yeah and then some people who act and I think like all like off police officers and Military they train yourself past the freeze but it's funny like I was in Australia and this dude was drinking bndg overproof rum and he was used to doing this trick with regular bunder prooof rum which is buber rum where he lights it on on fire and pours it in his mouth and it goes out when it hits his mouth but he was doing it instead with overproof rum right which he'd never done before well the thing with overproof R is that doesn't go out ever period like the wind is not going to get it out

152:59so he's pouring this flaming shot and it doesn't go out and so his face catches fire oh Jesus full fullon Hellraiser face catches fire he's in the kitchen of the house we running oh Jesus and like everybody is just looking at him he's clawing in his face it's not working obviously he doesn't know what to do and and then I'm looking at him and I I don't know what the to do and everybody's just staying there so I go to the faucet and I'm like trying to get water and like spray it on from the F not the right thing I should have put like a towel or a rug over his head you know but you just don't think you're not prepared at that moment you know and then and then So eventually he rolls around on the ground and gets in uh get figures it out he get burnt he got burnt but it was more like a facial like took the took the first layer off and he had like a nice laser peel for a

153:45little while yeah like when someone goes does that and then doesn't say anything you're supposed to go okay did you just visit the son looked a little bit like that he ended up he ended up being fine but I've been around other people like another incident was like a home stripper pole right and I was there with I was there with Roger wera right and a house you should never buy we talk about a haunted house we have your own pole there's a home super Po and it was it was tied to the wall and this girl gets on there and she's swinging she's a little bit bigger we're all around we're all kind of laughing everybody's clothed we're all just laughing and and and the pole goes like unhinges from the roof and she's going Timber from like 10 ft up up inverted like it's going to be really bad and literally everybody around the circle just looked like damn this is

154:32going to be bad and Roger just quickly like immediately moves over and like grabs the pole like superhero style right and that's when I realized like that's a different dude that's a dude that when that totally random thing happens he has the ability to act instead of just look around like all of us dummies like damn that's going to hurt yeah that's a good point that's hilarious well Roger is the same guy that knocked out that dude who punched that girl in Austin that was a crazy Giant football player Giant football player this is when Roger was fighting the UFC and he was he's fighting at 155 pounds he's not a big guy and this uh football player who knows what the story was walked up to some woman and punched her in the face and I don't know punch in the back of the head yeah what so they were coming out of a club and it was actually a club that we used to go to a lot I just

155:20happened to be out of town that weekend but were coming out of the club and this girl like he gets the guy gets in a like a fight with one of like her boyfriends or whatever and then she's like show the whole thing because he punches the girl in the head show the whole thing from the beginning from the but no you got a A little bit of red there there you go here it comes boom okay watch this punches her right in the back of the head boom and just flattens her and then walks away and everybody's like what the yeah and this guy's huge and look at Roger Roger walks up to him he's literally 100 pounds lighter than him I'm not kidding and Roger starts talking to him Roger says at that point you can't do that man you can't do that man wow and so Roger walks up and decides okay I'm taking my shirt off and takes his shirt off because he doesn't want the dude to be able to grab his shirt

156:08like he's thinking strategically yeah like which is like way one step ahead it's not like he's going to physically intimidate this guy the guy's giant and so Roger standing in front of this guy and the dude's big and looks like somebody else tried to jump in too yeah somebody else triy to jump in on both sides and stop him from fighting the guy that guy runs and then Roger Corners him Corners him by the truck which you can't see going on right now Corners him by the truck the guy swings Roger somehow gets him in a mu thae clinch and starts kneeing him in the head and knees him in the head and then he gets him out cold and then Stomps him and then runs Old Pride rulle style and this all happens in 15 20 seconds maybe not even it was really quick like yeah the whole video is only 2 minutes and 28 seconds long and it became this viral gigantic hit whatever

156:59happened to that dude did he get in trouble for that um I don't know I don't think so I know that the police knew obviously that Roger hit him and they just basically shook his hand and were like yeah hey all right we understand you know but uh I don't think anything ever happened to that dude but that was brutal I just went full full overhand right to the back of that chick's head you know but but he's just that type of dude he also saves somebody from drowning on the beach yeah he's just like finds himself in situations and he acts you know whereas other people you know might freeze or might not well he had a brutal upbringing you know and I think sometimes people that have overcome brutality when they're younger they developed this ability to understand like oh I've been here before I know what this is all about I know what this kind of chaos is there's only

157:45one one way out of this thing you got to meet it head on whereas someone who's coddled who grows up in you know a cushioned room everything everything's dull no sharp edges that that person when confronted with some horrific situation like some giant steroid up football player punches a girl in the back of the head and you got to act that guy's a 100 pounds bigger than you and Roger just takes his shirt off Roger just like well I can't have him grab me yeah that's the dude you don't want to with for sure the unemotional dude I really wish that that he didn't have that falling out with the UFC yeah people forget that Roger wera was the first guy to ever be on the cover of uh Sports Illustrated for MMA he was on the cover Sports Illustrated he was being groomed as one of the top guys but there was some sort of dispute between him and the UFC who knows which side is correct who knows

158:34what happened but he wed up leaving the UFC and then you know he just won his last fight Happ is he in one now is he fighting over 1fc yeah 1 FC's got some real talent man you know they've got Ben scre over there mhm but I heard it's crazy you know who's got some real talent right now Bellator welterweight division Douglas Lima just knocked out chusov you know that guy who uh up uh um uh what the hell's his name what he he's beaten a few guys let me think Kish kov um the did he beat up godd damn it what am I thinking of who give me his uh koskov's last few I know he fought Benson Henderson he beat Benson Henderson up when Benson came over to um to Bellator and he fought his welterweight for the first time and then uh Benson just fought you got it oh who who wait a minute why does it say Douglas LMA twice Douglas Le is the opponent who is is this kov oh he lost

159:38to Douglas Le at twice he won the first one lost the second oh he won the first one cuz Lima had a up knee that's right and then he beat Benson and then Lima just crushed him in the rematch which fight am I thinking of man again I can't I can't believe I can't remember which fight it was but the Benson Henderson one was a big one even though it was a decision you could tell the difference in size is pretty significant but then when Lima fought kov you could see Lima looked way bigger than kov so they and they've got Paul Dy okay that's what it is so Lima just I'm I'm getting all confused Lima beat Paul Daly who's super legit and he beat him by decision and then just knocked out kov I for some reason I thought Lima or thought Dy had fought kov I it up but dy's super legit I mean Dy is a scary Striker sure so for Lima to beat him and to beat Benson Henderson who's relatively

160:30undersized for the division and then to knock out koskov like that I mean that was stunning I think he's world class and uh meanwhile that guy was ragged all by Ben Asen who's the one FC champ ragal both of them were koskov and Lima both ragd do by asran asan's a dude yeah his wrestling's on another level who when did he lose when did uh Douglas Lima lose to asrin put up Lima's record again because uh he did I that up back in April back in April 2012 2012 yeah see Lima's had some uh some serious uh injuries he's he had serious knee surgery but uh that was quite a few years ago but Ben asrin did that to him he did that to kov he he's done that to a lot of dudes he gets a hold of those guys and just they look like World beaters until he gets a hold of them he gets drags them liying good he did it to lying good too same thing gets a hold of them drags him to the ground beats the

161:28out of them they can't get up it's just crazy and he he's so relaxed when he I saw him do that to somebody he's like riding him like a bull yeah like waving to the crowd people are booing he doesn't care a he doesn't give a it's CRA I mean I it's one of my most uh perplexing puzzles in MMA but he fought when he fought in um Bellator when Jay Heron went over there Jay Heron gave him a hell of a fight and Jay Heron who was a very good fighter who didn't do so good in the UFC but was really talented and then went over and had this fight with uh asrin and Bellator I mean Jay Haron was um you know a good wrestler with a little bit better crisper striking than asrin I managed to keep it on the feet a lot and Asin had a real problem with that so that was one of those things where I was like man I want to see him against worldclass fighters who know how to stuff that

162:21takedown against a real good wrestler who knows that of stuff to take down who's his size but Michael Chandler just beat uh um Benson Henderson too like they've got real talent over there now no doubt but it's still one of those things where nobody watches it it's like you look at the ratings it's like if they're lucky they get a few hundred thousand well it's the human it's the human drama that people love you know the and the bigger that personality the more it's a celebrity the more interested you are in the fight you know like you get to understand this character that Conor McGregor is and it's part of the compelling nature of watching his fight like the personality people want to identify with it it's like some I think it's the difference between a good Epic movie and a shitty Epic movie like a good Epic movie you fall in love with the characters before

163:03the up stuff happens that propels them on their hero's journey right you know you can't just go straight out of the gate and show that that whole backstory happen and then he's all of a sudden kicking ass like you want to be emotionally invested and then every time they're swinging a you know swinging a sword or every time you're watching them punch and take down you're way more in invested and I think boxing did that with 247 the UFC's done that with all their embedded and I think that's just something that they do better than anybody else they get you emotionally invested into the fighter and then when you're there you know that's when that's when you really want to watch there's also those epic personalities those Mega personalities that come around around every few Generations or one once a generation or a couple times a generation I should probably say like

163:48the Tyson or the sugaray Leonards or the people that people are just so compelled to watch yeah and Conor is just one of those people if he was in boxing and having the same sort of success he would be just as big he'd be gigantic yeah I mean if Triple G had his personality oh my God you know oh my God I mean Jesus Christ but Triple G is not doing things the way Conor's doing things not even close because Connor has those little gloves on and you know he's fighting MMA he's he's Landing these one shots like that just stun guys and have them rocked and he's putting them away like he's got lead in his hands sort of a different thing like you see his fight with Jose Aldo that you very rarely see that happen 13 seconds in a world championship boxing match where someone connects with one shot and Flatline somebody that's in the realm of MMA almost exclusively in early fights like

164:36that it's so rare that in a championship fight someone knocks someone dead in 13 seconds but in the UFC it can happen all the time I mean it just happens there's a lot less armor on that button on on the lights out button yeah a lot less padding in there a lot harder to defend too it's easier to defend with those big gloves yeah there's so much going on with big gloves versus small gloves you see guys that have devoted their whole life to Big glove defense and then they come in and the small gloves just don't offer the same sort of protection even look at Nikki holkins main defense you know he gets in that kind of turtle pose where he pretty much is covering everything that's super important you know in his with his gloves and forearms and Y can't do that with a little gloves no you can't but see that's one of the cool things about watching a guy like Hol skin that he can

165:23do that like with the big gloves you're like oh look what you can do here right you can't hit that guy well he uh did you ever see his fight with Raymond Daniels two fights uhhuh yeah yeah walks him down man just beats the legs up walks him down starts beating the out of them yeah just absorbs those shots keeps Chop Chop chopping away he's a bad dude there's a bunch of those guys now I just just uh I just hope that it gets the attention that it deserves because these guys are you know they're really risking their health in such a dramatic way well Whitney's working for Glory now I saw holla shout out to ATM to jits I saw that she's going to Germany we were in um we were in here and Joe Schilling and Eve Edwards and I did a glory fight companion and we're like oh look away interview does she like it yeah she likes it yeah it's um I you know just I for some

166:18reason I don't know what the reason is but for some reason it's just never completely like took root in America but it's not because of the talent I think it's again you got to tell those stories you know that's what people want people you need to have invest way more in the in the pre-fight you know video Crew That's putting out these videos or get a reality TV show so I think that's a genius thing that the UFC did because you're exposing people to the personality of these characters and then when you watch them fight you care right you know that's the missing piece it's not I think they're always looking at how can we improve the actual sport you got to improve you know the people's access inside these combatants and I think that's the that's the key you know another thing it doesn't seem like there's a number like a venue that is anything even remotely like the

167:09venues that used to exist just like 10 years ago as far as like putting a fight on Showtime or putting a fight on HBO or putting fight on NBC seems like 10 20 years ago you could have put Muay Thai on NBC at 9:00 at night at some crazy Muay Thai night and people would have got hooked like whoa this is nuts but now it seems like there's so many options for entertainment it's really difficult to like lock in a substantial group of people just by putting something on a certain time of night like they have so many choices yeah there's almost too many choices we're almost like overrun with possibilities to stare into the Looking Glass and get enchanted you you know it's true and but I think ultimately that's our Salvation you know you get all of the choices and then then you can really decide what you want you know I think we're going to be robots that's what I think I really do

167:58conscious robots we're that anyways you know I think that's the cool part about Westworld is it's showing that like where is robot where is consciousness at what level and I think we're just a more complicated version of that you know yeah man don't spoil the alert I haven't seen the last episode yeah I haven't seen oh the last one's next week the okay I've seen all of them up till now I'm caught up but a lot of people who listening aren't yeah yeah I think before that ever happens before there's a place where you can go and interact with robots you're going to be one I think it's going to be way more likely that you're going to take people that have been injured like soldiers that have lost a limb in a war they're going to replace him with better limbs then the first person's going to offer to get their limbs cut off it's probably going to be someone with a disease where the

168:39limbs don't work so well they get them cut off and then they win the Olympics they start jumping over buildings and next next thing you know everybody's like why have these regular legs and then one day it's going to get to a point where you can take your whole brain take that brain stick it in another body I think it's not necessarily the brain I think it's whatever that that thing that we call Consciousness maybe that originates from the brain maybe it's something something separate but the transfer of Consciousness that's that's one of those archetypal stories like a religious story The The Shape Shifter like you find in so many cultures someone who can transfer their Consciousness to another vehicle I think that's definitely going to happen happen like we're going to be able to transfer our Consciousness into other things that can hold that level of

169:20complexity you know like as long as it can hold that level of complexity like I think trying to transfer our Consciousness into a stink bug would be really challenging obviously the brain and how it worked it's too it's putting something that's too big into something too little but if something is of you know similar complexity I think we could transfer our Consciousness into there we just got to figure out what Consciousness is how you know how we measure it somewhere in between the spaces of quantum physics or maybe that's the frontier maybe it's somewhere but how we transfer that I think we'll ultimately figure out and I think we know it and I think that's why it's in all these stories Wars yeah they're going to have conversations with people they say hey man don't worry about it we made a copy of your brain so if it doesn't work we'll just put you back in

170:00your whole body yeah like oh cool you made a copy yeah I mean it's copy from November 21st 2016 do not worry everything from here back you're not going to remember anything from today but it's no big deal man you're going to lose a couple days of going on you catch up get on your Twitter or or the just rides and it goes out of body for a little while stays current and then just drops back in well now you're talking crazy I don't know why you got to take it to the next level I just feel like we're gonna come to a point where we figure out how to express ourselves outside of language this is what I believe I believe that the intention like pure intention we're going to be able to broadcast that through some form of third-party software hard Weare solution whatever it is like they'll be able to figure out what the actual intention of a thought is and transmit that and so instead of a

170:53sentence it'll be a series of thoughts that you can transfer the intention where you know it without language you don't have to have a comprehension of German to be able to communicate with a person from Germany because you'll be able to see whatever they're thinking in pure intent or feel it or know it or whatever the it is and that's so much closer to truth than language which is always just an approximation it's just a symbol for an idea whereas if you could express in pure intent you know like just the feeling of it and I think that's also what you experience sometimes in in the Psychedelic State you feel what you would think is God and you can't describe it all of the words fail nothing that makes sense when you're actually talking about it but you feel it and the intent of that thing is there and then you just approximate it and approximate it until it's almost

171:41gets ridiculous and it is ridiculous because you can't put that into words you know but you feel that and then yeah and the only way you really have a reference is if you experienced it as well like you're saying this and I'm like I'm listening to you say this and I agree with you and then I'm like man how would I describe it any differently to somebody and I'm like well so let's see what we got here for tools oh they don't exist yeah there's no tools in the toolbox that allow you to explain like a really heavy duty breakthrough DMT trip they don't exist like you can try to approximate it but you saying it I register it but it's only because I have what I believe to be a similar experience to what you've experienced and even that is just guesswork yeah you know I'm assuming you're explain you're explaining to me what went down when you had it and I'm like well that sounds a

172:26lot like how I would clumsily try to explain my experience but we don't know and we don't know we don't know and that's why we should go out and look for yourself you know feel these things see these things experience these things when you see burning when you go to a place like burning man you see what's possible I mean obviously I haven't been but you've been a few times when you see what's possible when these freaks all get together and rewrite the rules and go crazy it gives you a lot of hope it really does because it it makes you realize like these are a lot of the people with normal people around us and yet they're choosing in this one moment to behave in this stark contrast to Everyday culture and Society but there's no litter people are friendly with each other they're giving away food like they're only doing it for short bursts you know they're doing it for a week at

173:13a time once a year but they're doing it they're still doing it and they didn't do it 30 years ago yeah they didn't do it 50 years ago they're doing it now and they're doing it in one spot but we're talking about it and people are starting to get together and they go let's we could do this more often like we can do something similar to this more often yeah proves the concept proves it changes your view of of how an interaction with a stranger could be it not somebody who's trying to take something from you and you up your energy or whatever like you're all all in it together in some weird way and obviously there of Burning Man too but you get the overwhelming consensus that you're all in it together and and it's a it's a cool cool feeling just transcends these kind of very solipsistic I'm I'm in for myself these are my things this is my Fortress that I

174:01build and you just collapse all that and and surrender to a much much happier State and that's part of the magic I mean isn't that one of the more genuine problems with any sort of egalitarian or or or altruistic vision and is that people are not going to reciprocate like you know like if you could find a like-minded group of people where instead of the mob mentality of going crazy and grabbing swords and chopping each up each other up there's the mob mentality of peace and love where all just sort of everybody around you sort of adopted this thing in a really radical way they're wearing goggles and riding bikes everywhere and everything's lit up with solar power and you're like whoa these people are going deep with this like everybody's embraced this so so they're so all in every chip is on the table when you're out there that it reinforces this different and very

174:51peculiar sort of mob mentality that's psychedelic driven and happy MH you know and that that's possible too like while we're watching Mass rape in India you hear about these horrible instances where these men rape women on trains like what the is going on over there while that's happening Bernie man's happening yeah it's like there's another there's another sort of mob Consciousness that can erupt when it's considered carefully applied ethically morally sensitively with an open heart that can be done too like there's a bunch of different states that can be achieved you apply to you know a human goes into an environment with love and radical acceptance true in in in the truest sense you're going to more adapt to that whereas you get in these systems of fear and control you know you're going to adapt to that and I think anybody that we encounter we we

175:44have that choice of what we're going to give back to them and turn that tide and maybe it won't be reciprocated but it can also stop the it can stop that Trend so if someone really you know if they do something up you know and you can't prevent it and you have to accept it and move on accept that with love show that person love and not this desire for justice and revenge and you'll start to switch the pattern you know you'll that's the only thing that ends the cycle the only thing that ends the cycle ultimately is love like violence you know you get something violent to you then do something violent to them then you do something violent to you and it continues to go until one person just holds like man I see your pain I see where you were coming from I see you as me you know I'm sorry you've been driven to that state I'm going to love you no matter what and then all of

176:28a sudden that person's like what the and then it can end that cycle and I think that's what we got to do in in society that's what we got to do the right and the left instead of continually shooting these barbs at each other at some point the conscious people have to say like you know whatever you say I hear you I don't necessarily agree here's my point of view but I'm going to love you I'm going to love you as if you were me and then that ultimately ends it but as long as we're just lobbing hand grenades at each other what sounds like a bunch of hippie that Trump's goingon to make illegal that's what I'm thinking I'm thinking he's throwing people in jail for burning the flag we're taking it old school again folks old school you know uh the fake tan that he uses is uh from uh he takes uh Native American Graves and he uh he takes the soil that's what they use for the fake tan that's the

177:17only way to get it that per perfect Hue but you can't get it too close to your eyes hence the raccoon look but it empowers you it gives you energy that's such a great super villain move he just needs to move Trump Tower into it inactive volcano move Trump Tower to an Indian burial site put a Trump Tower up right where the Dakota pipeline is being built just one Trump Tower Anders and just show Redskins games all the time that's wearing a red hat make America great again yeah what the man strange times strange times but beautiful times they're the best times they are and the more we realize they're the best times the more we're going to be okay like right now yeah it is entirely possible we might get hit by an asteroid the side of China it is entirely possible they're out there there's giant chunks of we the the world rather was at one point in time hit with

178:11another planet that's established that's what believe they believe the moon was created when the earth literally collided with another planet that it's like it's not happening right now though so right now just be nice to each other and have some fun totally let's go champ yeah man we can always figure out to worry about we can figure out all of these things to stress us out it's our job it's our relationship it's the meteor if as long as you enjoy the now you're not going to regret it if I go back and talk to my younger self like hey young Aubrey if I could tell you one thing it's to stress less like yeah think about the possibilities but then let it go like enjoy your time because all there is is the enjoyment of time you know all of these goals you have they're all false Summits like enjoy the whole process all the way through enjoy till that last moment where the Chinese size

179:04asteroid smashes into enjoy up to that last minute and and you won't have any regrets yeah if you can prevent it do that but if you can't do anything don't stress relax yeah and then even realize that like goals they actually help you be happy as weird as it seems like achieving goals and going after things and showing yourself that through discipline and focus you can achieve these weird creative Ventures take things to new places yeah it's the going for the goal it's the going for the goal that's the best part it's not the actual achievement of that goal makes you feel suddenly different it's that you're striving for it making progress and then you hit it and there's that of course that satisfaction but then you set another goal you know then you set another goal and just know that you'll constantly be setting goals so if at no point you're ever happy unless you're

179:52achieving the goal you're only going to be happy a fractional part of time unless Boris with that Transformer watch getting his dick sucked over the Atlantic he probably has those cheesy limo lights inside of his jet where they change colors all the time it's like purple green red yellow and he's in there with a bottle of sto activate eagle feather Super Viagra and Gorge dick where he got so much Viagra in his system his ears are ringing he hasn't breathed through his nose in days he can't breathe he uses Coke to open up his nose so he can breathe out of his nose while his dick is hard as titanium anything else NOP should end this good for me um you want to talk about your iasa experience or how long would that take I mean that's a it's a good 15minute story it man people are driving right now they're like keep going keep going oh so let's let's let's set this

180:52up last time I talked to you after you had an iwas experience you were like dude I think I'm done yeah I think I'm done yeah done he's like I don't I think uh I'm good maybe some little DMT trips here and there but I think I'm done and then next thing I know you're off to the jungle again let's go champ exactly let's go champ exactly what happened well one of the things that I enjoy is taking people who haven't experienced it and going there with them going like there's no better right of passage bonding experience so this time I just brought all of my homies like everybody in my inner circle that I love that wanted to go you know we all went and um so for me it's a lot about that kind of ride of Passage experience I still really like and appreciate the plants and I learn a ton and I sometimes underestimate how much more I have to learn from the plants for

181:42sure and I think so is a combination of that um so anyway set up this trip everybody I know we're going to iasa we're meeting Don Howard who's you know we've done two documentaries with him now latest iwasa documentary is is with him as well awesome guy he's like Gandalf the White wizard so we're setting that up but I knew this one was going to get interesting because a month like about a month before sometime in August I wake up in the middle of the night we're going in September I wake up in the middle of the night and um from a dream and in this dream I look over and to my left side see this demon head and this gnarly looking demon head NOS feratu looking thing and he was just looking away and in my dream he looks at me stares at me dead in the eye and goes I'm going to kill you on September 23rd oh like super specific right so I wake up and I'm a little

182:32freaked out I was like damn that was specific so I go to my and I knew my perw trip was over that time I go to the calendar of events the itinerary and that night is the night we're drinking iwasa for the first time because we're doing wuma afterwards so September 23rd was the night we're doing iwasa and so did you start thinking your mind was with you like for sure like this is just your brain setting yourself up for a fall yeah I played out I played out all the scenarios right and I try to like what was that maybe it was a metaphor maybe hopefully it wasn't for real hopefully you know but and you know I maybe I I might have known that date in my head so I'm not trying to think this is Supernatural it's all kind of metaphor but it was very specific so by the time we get out there I knew I had this feeling like man some shit's going to come up here cuz that

183:17was like something's in my psyche that's incredibly specific about this so we're going into ceremony and one thing I like to do to prepare for ceremony and I do this for the whole group is I do a meditation where it anchors them to their Consciousness and I put that Consciousness in their heart right so because the head can get really squirly and you can get lost in belief and different ideas and thoughts and if you identify yourself as Consciousness which I I tell them to symbolize is a a brilliant piece of white light in your heart and you symbolize that and you imagine that that there that's an anchor that's like your anchor that's your anchor to home and then you know I I talked to him how when you imagine that there then you can imagine it actually showing up atomically like in in the rules of quantum physics the observer effect You observe it then it's

184:02connected to yourself all yourselves connected to all things in space connected to the you know to the One Source um of Consciousness you know the collective Consciousness that thing and it just kind of anchors you and keep you in this feeling of safe so whatever squirly thing is happening in your mind you do that but this is important for the story that I'm that I'm setting up because you know so I do that meditation and that's where I go into these psychedelic experiences anchored to my heart connected to the cosmos connected you know to the infinite through that and it's a very kind of comforting um comforting meditation to do so I'm going through and um I take the medicine and right off the bat it's like super you know it's super chill like I'm seeing beautiful scenes like flowers these flowers of light and I get this message like hey man it's this is this one's

184:47going to be easy and I was like oh okay cool we're and it was like we're just going to fix a few things so I felt like what feels like all these little doctors of light the doctos you know these little light beings like going through my body and start fixing little different areas fixing little Parts in my head and they're fixing little Parts here and Meanwhile my mind is being distracted with flowers and butterflies and it's super chill the only memorable Vision I had was I go to this Shrine in this jungle and I see this giant monkey human hybrid that's super happy and it's like there's just butterflies and everything going around and then inscripted in stone it says we are the pleasure monkeys and that's what I've been been using that word today and it's this like really cool thing like oh yeah we are pleasure monkeys we're here to enjoy all the best that we can and I start thinking

185:35about you know the foods and the people and the camaraderie and everything around me super positive meanwhile the lights going through my body and fixing it and then you know as this really idyllic thing and I think we're an hour and a half in I'm like we're good like whatever this demon was not going to worry about it it's fine and then right to my left I see this gnarly looking Gollum Lord of the Rings looking my precious no fru demon guy and he looks at me and and I was like you know one of the practices that I have is anchoring to that point in my heart you know I I you know I encourage the feeling of invincibility like it can't be harmed you know this is your Consciousness it's this peace in your heart it can't be harmed and I see this demon and it looks at me and then it jumps jumps towards me and it starts biting my neck whoa in my vision right

186:27so this gnarly looking demon is biting my my neck and my vision no it's all like it's all in this like a movie of me being played out right are you just going with but the emot at this ratcheted up right so at this point you know I know it's eating in my you know in that Vision it's eating through my neck and I see what its aim is and it's aiming to eat through my neck and eat that thing in my heart the white light in my heart that I've been meditating about like that's what it wants so in and what I thought was this like heroic Act of invincibility I was like go ahead man you want that thing go ahead eat all the way through me get that thing it's fine you know instead of because I've learned in a lot of these practices the more you resist these things the more aggressive they become and the harder you just get in this this dance so the more you surrender generally the better

187:18off you are so I like oh you want to eat that thing go for it so goes through eats through my neck through my chest and it grabs a hold of that piece of white light in my heart snatches it and right at that moment I've never felt more fear I feel like I got shot with a bullet like I felt like I went dead completely dead and fear just shot through my entire body and I was like oh I just gave this demon my Consciousness I just gave this demon my soul and I let him have it it's like all the vampire movies like they can't come in unless you give them permission then you give him permission and all of these thoughts are going through my head meanwhile I felt completely dead like Hollow from the inside fear was that like a th% and then the EOS of the shaman start getting more intense and I'm like holy I'm so I start negotiating with this no Fatu demon guy and I was like man I'd

188:08really like to get my piece back like you mind giving it back like you know it's all good I understand you have your place you know for polarity to exist there needs to be the dark there needs to be the light you know it's all good man we're all on the same team ultimately we're all you know Consciousness and the cosmos he's having none of it right and then finally like he talking to you he's yeah he's sometimes talking back and sometimes just kind of like mocking me really like kind of laughing and then he goes here you go and he gives me something and I greedily like like a hungry like a hungry child like grab it and i stuff it in my heart and it was this dead piece of rock like a dead stone and it's just this Demon's just laughing at me I have your heart and watch where I'm going and he goes and he takes it and I'm following him and he you know through

188:50this kind of like wormo thing and he takes it and I see who he's giving it to and then I go oh because he's giving it to the demon of all demons and this is very archetypal and I'm not religious but these archetypes are coming through in this kind of you know demon demon type of sense but anyways this demon that he gives it to I can only call the world Crusher because literally he's of the size where I'm seeing him hold planets and crushing them into dust in his hands and he's just moving the cosmos these giant horns made of this deep dark black and red smoke and just laughing in the Ecstasy of Destruction as he takes galaxies and he rips them apart like the ultimate black hole of Destruction and evil and I go like that guy's got my heart piece now like the little demon gave it to that thing thing so I'm thinking like what the do I do I can't even communicate with this Demon World

189:47Crusher like there's no way there's no way I can even talk to him he's too big so I try to like well maybe I can blow myself up you know maybe I can get bigger thinking like video game style like that's going to work like maybe if I get bigger then we can talk and negotiate and I'll be on his level totally doesn't work I can't get even near the size of him in my vision so I'm like what the do I do like what am I going to do here and and I get the idea I was like man I can't fight this thing there's no way but you know understanding that again that the Consciousness in the cosmos needs dark and light I understand the value of the polarity of that something that dark you know I understand that that's necessary it's like man I got to send this thing love so I go and I imagine floating up to its head and right between its eyes I kissed him on the forehead and it's I know it sounds weird

190:41and for a moment I see his eyes go googly eyes like the Emoji heart thing where Hearts appear in in the world crusher's eyes and it was really kind of cartoony and um for that moment he relinquishes and he's like you know I can give this back to you but we never took it no one can take that piece of your heart it's yours it you know it's impossible to steal unless you believe it can steal and it was just like beautiful wisdom and I was like oh my God thank God but I was still like shaken up by that you know I was still kind of up but that move worked and that moment where his eyes were all googly Hearts he's like man we can't take that from you that's yours so I had this renewed sense of confidence and so I started kind of going it was kind of more peaceful then ecos seem to be following my trip died down I'm going through about all the relations in my

191:27life and the different you know kind of doing the general work you do on iwasa and I get to um a member of my family who's really you know suffering from some mental illness that is is really dark like a dark mental illness and I think that now maybe the world Crusher is my friend so I get the feeling the world Crusher has you know that element of darkness is in him so I think in my imagination and and kind of call back on that on that being and immediately it comes up but in a different shape like a giant sea serpent and it's wrapping these tentacles around my body like a leviathan from the deep and and and I'm like whoa I was like um what do you think about maybe letting you know this this family member what do you think about letting him go and he he like you want his soul I'll make a trade your soul for his and I was like that that right so so at that

192:22point I was like man and then I was like I don't think I can make that trade he's like coward you wouldn't do that for someone you love you're a coward I thought you said you were Invincible he starts mocking me clearly not myomi like clearly take the world Crusher takes his job seriously So eventually I have to go like you know what that's between you and him I can't step in there like there's nothing that I can do for you so I just had to let it go and I let him go not making that proverbial deal and again I don't think this is like really happening this could just be archetype right of course but so anyways from there I was like man this has turned super dark like can I get some help like and since the archetype was demons I was like can I get a Jesus in here or something like some kind of light and nothing light would come although I did get a cool vision of like

193:08Jesus meeting the world Crusher and I was like ooh this is going to be squared like Showdown UFC Ultimate Jesus versus the world Crusher and immediately they turned super gay and they started making out with each other and having sex Jesus and the world Crusher started like having sex with each other and it was it was the wildest Vision because it was this like the ultimate love affair like the two polarities of the cosmos like all of the love and forgiveness and all of the Power and destruction the Darkness was the top the darkness was banging Jesus Jesus would turn he was man woman it was like super he could be whatever he wanted but they were dancing in this like passionate love affair which was like all creation so Jesus became man and woman J man and woman he was just it was just like love versus Power and dark and destruction creation versus destru like the two polarities

194:00dancing but expressed as the world Crusher this devil-like creature and then Jesus you know which started as kind of Jesus he and then went into woman and then went into man whatever it was it at least gave me a chuckle and it was like moment of like relief from this really heavy trip but I still wasn't getting any personal interaction from anything on the light side you know and so I'm still like kind of a little shaken up especially after you know the world Crusher called me a coward and I couldn't help you know this person in my family and it's like um so then I see this I keep trying to reach out to like the helpers like something from the light and I get this very faint message you know sometimes the Visions are super clear and sometimes they're faint it feels like you're you're kind of reaching for it but I'll go with it I'll use my imagination as a bridge so I kind

194:46of go with it it's like here we have this thing for you and put it in your heart it'll give you extra you know it'll be what you're looking for and is This brilliant Ruby like red stone Right This brilliant Ruby Stone and I was like oh wow that's beautiful like I always imagine the thing in my heart being white but red all right it's cool I put it in my chest and then instantly I could feel myself getting this like hunger for power and feeling like the World Crusher like I wanted to destroy and manipulate and I was like oh that's not the thing you know that's not that wasn't a real gift that was getting tricked again so I pull this thing out of my heart and for sure like I can just feel the evil emanating from it right and I can hear the distant laughter of the world Crusher like ha fooled you again you accepted this Stone and so I have this Ruby Stone in my vision I'm

195:37like what the am I going to do with this right so I have this place that I've developed in my meditations it's like a little H it's like my happy place right it's place I go and I imagine it in my mind it's like my happy place I was like all right I'm going to put my stone in my happy place and I'm going to leave it there in my in my vision well I put it there in the happy place and it turns to like swamp and bog and everything all the trees are withering like you see in one of those fantasy movies where the darkness anchors into a place and all the life dies around and I was like man I can't put it there it's going to destroy this this world I created it's like I bring it back and I was like I hear this voice like just put it in your heart you can hold it you're strong enough to hold it so like okay yeah maybe my heart's the only place I can put it it's the only way it's going

196:19to be safe put it back in there bad idea obviously that was another trick but I'm really getting shaken here because I keep getting tricked and I keep not knowing what my mind is telling me that's helpful or whether it's coming from something else So eventually I like move it out of my body and I'm looking at I was like the only way that I can get rid of this is to dissolve it evenly across the entire ire spectrum of creation right take this and dissolve it into the all so that the entire game all of good all of bad everything can hold this amount of evil it's too concentrated for any one thing to hold I got to dissolve it and I tried that move with my imagination and it worked boom and the red stone dissolves and then all of creation holds that darkness and that power and I'm sitting there and I just at this point just surrender like I've just been totally getting my

197:10ass kicked you know for the majority of this trip and especially just having been tricked and and I'm just kind of like in a state of surrender and at that point I feel like kind of like Iron Man style I feel this like breastplate like come slap onto my chest and it has this really beautiful fire opal stone and this thing this helmet come on my head and this helmet comes and it has this other brilliant white light and I feel Wings shoot out from my back right and it's obviously Sasa shit's crazy and and I'm flying in the air and there's a bunch of like eagles and other birds and it's all like peaceful and all good and it was like all of the Allies like all of the good guys all the good team kind of came through and they were flying over this world that was dark and fires and pollution and chaos and they were just bringing this like fresh air of like white light and I was just

198:05cruising and so for the last 30 minutes of the trip I was just literally like flapping my wings in the vision just kind of cruising over the world with all my Eagle homies and and it was one of the gnarliest obviously experiences I've ever had no doubt that's why it's illegal but your speech is going to be used in the Senate they're going to get together with Congress they're going to play this speech back this is a successful guy folks look what he's doing yeah goes down to the goddamn jungle fighting World Crushers and Jesus is gay do you want Jesus to be gay you want that oh Jesus can be a woman Jesus can be a man he can be a woman he's gender fluid y wow it's intense and again it's I think the lesson necess it's really just about that was the type of resistance that could summon the very best out of me you know the move to move to show the world Crusher love the move

199:02to you know all of the moves that I had to make I was only able to learn about myself from the extreme pressure of that vision and that's one of the beautiful parts of the Ias Vision it tends to give you like just enough that if you show up with your best and you and you choose you know choose love and you choose the the things that are going to bring out the best outcome um you'll make it through but it but it brings you to that very Brink where it feels like man you know the stakes are really really high it's interesting because I think stories like that and experiences like yours although you've got to go somewhere to experience them legally th those stories are what people are going going to rely that's like almost like a road map of the potential experiences that people are going to come back with and go dude dude look what he's saying about this do you want to do you want to

199:50go there you want to go how do we get there you got to go over the mountain go over the mountain to meet the world Crusher man okay he definitely came back yeah he's back man he's in Austin he's hanging out yeah like one day all this stuff is going to be legal and one day all sorts of psychedelic experiences whether it's masculine or mushrooms whatever they're all going to be real common place they're going to be as common place as going to get a massage or as common place as you know taking a yoga class just right now we're in a weird place where someone like you telling that story seems like a crazy person yeah you know even talking to me who's experienced a bunch of you know and I've experienced a bunch of with you I mean I know you're not I mean you're not crazy you're just relaying this very odd thing that very few people are ever going to be able to

200:38relate to right now but one day one day it'll be real real common and I think it's more common now I think when you you saying this now way more common do you talk about iasa and people understand what you're saying than just 10 15 years ago yeah you know oh no doubt because people have had similar experiences of reference I mean I think the way that a lot of people experience this is in archetypes that you learn about and there's a different character in the story you know which is something you can learn from like the Harry Potter movies like uh like Jordan was talking about you know you can learn from those archetypes but it's different when you know you get a chance to play as the main character yeah you know playing as the main character gives you a whole different series of lessons like none of these themes that came up you know are original themes these are all deep

201:23archetypes even the Lord of the Ring like the stone it was a stone of such evil how does it be destroyed it destroyed in the fire from when it came right all of creation created and concentrated and it was dissolved in that I didn't think about it then but I could see the analogies you see the um the deal with the devil you know that that Al tra my soul for this one you see these archetypal themes but you know I can watch as many F plays as I want I'm never going to feel what that feels like until I have the devil mocking me for being a coward for not being willing to make that deal you know and then you understand these certain these certain things in a much much deeper way and and that's that's I think the value it just puts you up in this situation where you're you have stake in the game and you have choices to make and that's where you get the real value I think

202:11Roger would have put that world Crusher in a TI clinch slam some knees right into his stupid face for sure and that's part of you know some of the shaman that's their move right they're constantly trying to get Mastery and dominion over all of these things I just find that the more you try and fight with them the more they just love it like whatever thing you're trying to fight whatever Darkness you're trying to fight the more you fight with them they're just like yeah bring it on this is what I do you're in my house now you know like you're trying to wrestle with Ben ashren like they got the drop on you but the minute you change the game and recognize them as an important part and send them love that's when the conflict ends one day ladies and gentlemen you to we'll be able to go to your local iasa Center and partake Ian it's already been approved by um the

202:57Supreme Court for a couple different churches two different churches I believe right yeah in new Santa D and uh uh udv yeah and they are legally allowed to serve super high potency II yep Rick strasman went over there and did it with him he said it was incredible they're all wearing like golf shirts all wearing white you have to sit up sit down talk to do different things yeah it's all coming you know whether it's religious or whether it's medical or whether it's I think the plants are going to show up when humans need the help the most and I think that's that's the spot we're in and you know iasa it's not for everybody like don't everybody rush out and do it like do it if that's what's really calling for you if you want to learn more I just released that documentary it's free just just um go to drinkthe jungle.com that's the URL drink the jungle check it out um and get an

203:47idea if that's for you but there's so many ways and you don't need to do plants you can do it with your breath you can do it with yoga you can do it with floating you can do it with legal weed you know there's so many ways to climb the mountain um but finding those those ways to bring out the best part of yourself essential drink the jungle don't be scared to drink the jungle drink the jungle don't be scared to drink the J jungle spicy when you drink all let's send this right there it's perfect drink the jungle.com yeah that's it bye everybody love you love you love all you guys you you