Dave Rubin

00:06and we're live Dave Ruben what a time to be alive Joe I am so excited to be here because you could have selected anybody I mean it ends tomorrow it does end tomorrow supposedly allegedly unless uh maybe Jill Stein wins no no I'm talking about the world I mean it is over I don't mean the election I mean the whole game is up tomorrow you could have had anybody you're a pretty powerful guy powerful Joe well I enjoy your company sir well I appreciate that but you think of all the philosophers you could have had the thinkers the artists too much work I like instead you went with me for the last show so I'm going to bring it I already I have notes I busted out the notepad well I believe the end of the world is tomorrow so you're you're the preview to the end of the world so I feel like you're going to offer some well hopefully together we're going to offer some perspective and uh we're

00:56going to get a look at this thing yeah well I already pounded two of these bad boys so I am ready dude this thing have 270 milligrams of caffeine well it is in a small can so I thought it was it seems like it small but if it was that much acid think about what it would do to you you really have to think about it that way yeah I did acid once yeah only one time I did it once last week yeah did you really do it awesome I've done it uh three times I only did it this year for the first time but I've done it three times this year really yeah and you feel like all the doors the hinges of the brain they're still going I don't know if they were any good at all before I think I'm gluing them up it's like for my brain I did I shroom many times you know over the years I did acid once did not like it at all every time I close my eyes I these like three-dimensional triangles flying

01:41at me like could not you know when you just can't stop your brain like I felt that there was no end to it shrooms it's always like very natural and nice and pleasant concern right the concern is the potency of of acid I heard it described by Terrence McKenna as like molecularly if you looked at it in scale it's something the size of an ant that can break down the Empire State Building in 30 minutes that's a bit much for me at this point you know what I mean I I I turned 40 this year I don't need to break down the Empire State Building or any other building at this point now it's really about keeping the mental faculties I have adding in a little more occasionally and going from there yeah but you know what I mean you have to function right like you have a show you're doing comedy all the stuff like at some point the expansion of the mind is like I still got to be on Earth you

02:30know if you're going to do the show you definitely have to be there you have to be there but um Duncan and I did a show on acid we did our last podcast with full disclosure we were on acid during our last podcast Jus yeah I'm sitting in a room sober with these people well it's less is expected of me I think than you you're expected to be rational I'm I'm but being a standup comedian cage fighting commentator you get a lot of legal room yeah yeah you can you could you could say some pretty stupid people go ah it's is probably got hit in the head exactly yeah exactly so you know obviously we're going to do election but I there's a couple updates so I haven't been here in about a year a little more than a year couple things I want to tell you before we start first off so I got a house last week not too far from here building a home studio I'm very excited very cool

03:21my my fans are funding it which is amazing so a ton of stuff has happened since last but I told you last time that I would know that I've hit a certain level of success when I'm not sitting on an Ikea couch and did not have Ikea stuff around me everywhere now I did bring all the Ikea stuff but I made one purchase for the new house only one purchase you got a real couch I got a real couch that's nice I got a real couch I mean I'm talking people delivered it and I didn't have to put it together it was act did you I didn't even know that that was a thing that they come put together did you know that Ikea stuff is if you just charge 10 bucks more and put it together everybody we probably call more than 10 bucks though right isn't that the whole thing it cost more than 10 though yeah if for them to put it together for you well Ikea did they put it together for

04:07you will they do they will but it's going to be more than 10 bucks I don't even mind putting it together it was just time for me not to have to put together Furniture I put desk together once and it's you know it's like I forget if it had an estimate of how much time it took but it took me four hours were was this an ass sit toally sober that would be driver and IKEA Assembly on acid I bet you do it better you know like figure out doc Willis the guy who pitched the no hitter on acid you know he was up all day he was doing acid and then he got the call and didn't know he was supposed to play that day and he was like oh no they want me to play today and think about it he like got his together foret just pitching just imagine getting your together getting there just that in in of itself well it depends on I guess your biological makeup how it hits you

04:53you know cuz I know a lot of friends who just can't smoke pot they just it just doesn't work with them and with me it works great it's my favorite what do you like Inda or sativa or hybrid I I prefer sativa but if someone's passed around to Inda join I don't say no see all my comic friends like sativa I like Indica because for me at this point and I guess this goes back to the doors and the mind thing like I don't want to think anymore if I'm smok I don't smoke pot to think or to write or anything I smoke pot because it's 11:30 at night and I'm going to take one puff and watch a Seinfeld that I've seen 3,000 times already or or a Simpsons that I've seen three and that's it know what I mean like I don't need I don't smoke to like like all my comic I smoking right and like no so it's a decompressing agent for purely yeah purely yeah well you know people get real wey when you start

05:42talking about pot or acid or even alcohol because there's a lot of people that everyone knows that have kind of their life up doing that but 35,000 people die driving every year it doesn't stop us from driving you know I mean and obviously if you're doing acid most likely you're not going to to kill somebody else so it's you know the responsibility of driving you could jump out a window like uh Helen Hunt and that did you ever see that INF from word that kids thing they showed it at high school they showed it in high schools when I was growing up I think it was Helen Hut you know which one I'm talking about they that that educational video where they showed these high school kids and it's Helen Hunt as like a 15-year-old and she's on acid and she jumps out of window and breaks the window it just kills herself at that's a old Bill Hicks bit remember Bill Hicks bit

06:27young man on acid thought he could fly jumps off the building what a tragedy he goes what a dick he thought he could fly why didn't he try taking off from the ground first he goes we lost a man we need a hick don't we need a hick I I every day I I wake up and I go man I wish we had Carlin still because we still you obviously there's plenty of good Comics out there and there's so much there's such a breakast stuff to I don't need to see Helen to talk about um you know how many times that's been said before a lot that's the that's Paul Riser it's on his business card I think um he wakes up with the like no okay it's over it's over um what the hell was I talking about um acid no um people dying no we moved on oh the good Comics there was something there oh oh and car that just imagine what George Carlin would be going through if he lived right now in the politically

07:19correct age we live in if you took any of his old stuff he would be being attacked by all sides but dare I say he'd be attacked more by the left these days for the that he would be talking saying about women or about minorities or anything you know and it's so it's such a shame the way things have turned well yeah he had some mean stuff that I think like I remember this one bit that he had that even at the time I was like whoa it was like anorexia and he's like dumb rich doesn't want to eat her but but we need that now that's the point you know what I mean it's not he wasn't saying the specific girl who may have anorexia that you know right but if your daughter died from anorexia and you heard that you'd be like wo yeah you would you would that would upset you at that moment and then you know what life goes on you know well George Carlin there was one issue with

08:07Carlin and that one issue was that he had a plan to do a whole new hour every year and so he would put together this hour and he didn't work out at comedy clubs either he would just sort of write it yeah and then go and perform it and you know do little tweaks here and there but that doing that one hour every year like you don't have enough time to like you can't sit around and go hm I wonder if this is a good bit you know I wonder am I committed to this cuz I believe in it like if I explored all the possibilities and all the ways that this is going to be interpreted is this the most effective way to convey that idea yeah you know but he was also so so loved and so awesome that he just wanted to shock the out of people that was half of it was like he was tired of all this talk about anorexia and you know maybe if he was alive today and you were talking to him about about it he would

09:00he would change his opinion on that bit Yeah I look I'm sure if we went back in the however many years you've been doing standup there are things that you've said up there probably sticking to my guns there's probably things you said last week yeah but always but we need that idea of people just saying and letting it upset people and other people are going to laugh at it we so desperately need it now because it has led the the inability to do that these days has led to everything that's happening in our country right now related to politics and and media and everything you're right there's a blowback right there's massive if you go to far left the the alt-right emerges and I think the more Looney we get in terms of like gender pronouns now there there's 58 now by the way it's 58 gender pronouns yeah I didn't you the interet this morning I think they only recognize

09:5131 in New York that you could be sued to $150,000 for it or you find if you what if it's Fiasco it's wonderful it's wonderful we're going to look back at this and laugh as long as you're not one of the person who gets fined $250,000 and I don't think anybody's ever been hit with that yet I think that's more more like horseshit but it's not even it's not even about the fine as much as what it does to us as people that it puts the idea in your mind look if I was walking down the street and I saw a guy and I said hey how you doing man and then I realized it was a woman I would kind of feel bad but that's life like that's life we're trying to through words and trickery and and now legal means we're trying to dumb everyone down to the point that we can't even think for ourselves if you look at somebody and you think they're a man and you say dude that's not evil right you know what

10:43I mean and and not every person that transitions transitions perfectly and someone might be in the middle of it or whatever and you know or or there might just be a guy who looks like there's there's guys that look like women and there's women that look like guys you know what's ironic about this is it's not really a trans issue cuz if you talk to trans people most women who transition to men want to be called men and most men who transition to women want to be called women like they're they assume gender pronouns like the a guy who becomes a woman wants to use he or or wants to use she or her right so it's not them it's just nonsense is what it is and it's nonsense that comes out of universities it's this weird Marxism thing that's going on it's this very strange leftist bullying that is it's it's so deranged I went to I know youve had Milo on here and he's become like

11:31this cultural thing it's like he's he's sort of become something Beyond himself at this point well it's the stran effect yeah they keep silencing him and when you silence a guy who first of all what they silenced him for was so unwarranted because when you when you remove someone on Twitter for just a harmless joke that's very similar to the jokes that Leslie Jones makes about her own self you know she's got a goddamn commercial where she pulls up a Geico commercial I think it is or what is it what that commercial where she pulls up to someone I don't know who it what it is but she pulls up to a guy she's like you want my number and the guy's like get the out of here it's like an obvious joke about her being unattractive and she's perpetrating that joke that is what it is I mean if that same if you do that same joke with you know fill in the blank what's a girl Sophia vergera or

12:16something like that the joke doesn't work she's hot as and the guy would be like yeah but when Leslie Jones does it the reason why that joke works is because they're implying that she's unattractive so all Milo said is something about her being a man or looking like a man or something like that and that was enough well what's particularly interesting about what happened to him is that they claimed I think when when Twitter finally said a little something about it that it was because of targeted harassment that Milo had Unleashed his followers on her now first off you're not you don't control all your followers you know what I mean if you got into a fight with somebody Joe Rogan got into a fight with somebody on Twitter uh you can't control what your followers do and so that's number one number two she she had done that before there are instances had screen

12:59captured things where she had gotten into fights with trolly type people not public people and said guys get them so she had actually instigated mobs but it's okay for for all the politically correct reasons it's okay when she does it well not only she had she done that she had said things about white people specifically like white people you know and like specifically mocking white people or saying things about white people where it's like you can't do that the other way and then the the you know there's this also this very bizarre thing that people keep saying is that black people can't be racist against white people cuz racism only works when someone's in a position of power guess what if you have millions of followers and you're super famous and you say things about you know any white person you have a position of power not only do she have a position of power but

13:46she think how much by doing by that fight happening she got more powerful her her star rose so by damaging Free Speech whether you like Milo or not she she then elevated her own status I actually I've never interacted with her I've never even seen Ghostbusters I don't I don't even watch SNL I don't even know what she's really done or anything about her but when the whole thing was going down I went to tweeted her to say come on my show I I like Milo but um all that Free Speech I'd love to have you on she has me blocked she blocked she I I don't know it's like a mass block thing maybe you block people associated with Milo or something but the point is I have nothing I have nothing against her in any way we're just talking about this specific thing and I was going to invite her on my show and it's like well well you're a nice guy that's so coward it's so foolish and

14:30I like Leslie I think she's funny as hell I think she's hilarious I even enjoyed hearing Ghostbusters although Milo is correct most of that movie was a piece of yeah I thought the movie started out really funny but what he was saying was that it was like it was a ridiculous feminist version of Ghostbusters where all the men are complete buffoons and failures and all the women save the day and it just wasn't a good movie it wasn't welld designed and it was sort of a kind of a slap in the face to men and that was his whole commentary on it it was very eloquently written maybe a little bit but that's his whole thing yeah it wasn't it certainly wasn't targeted harassment it was a review of art yeah well look the point is that even if he had been harassing her and said guys get her first first off it's just Twitter it's just Twitter he did do that I could

15:15understand them saying we don't want our platform used for that sure so that's up to their terms of service so I'm not so there's obviously a difference between of course the First Amendment which is the government stopping you from speaking of what a private company can do yeah ironically though all these people on the left that were thrilled had no problem with Milo being banned they're the same people that wanted to force that Baker in Indiana to bake the cake for the gay wedding so they're okay with private companies doing things when it's the things that they want them to do like get rid of a a conservative right but they wanted to force that B I'm gay married right so I wouldn't force that Baker to do it why you know what's up about why would I want the government why would I want the government to say you have to do something with your private business no

15:54I'll go to another Baker of course and not only that that's that wasn't an organic situation they set that up they went specifically and targeted Bakers to try to make a case for this and then they went to a Christian Baker and finally found one who said no and that was the one they went after you know I mean look I don't agree with that guy not being able to make that cake I feel like you shouldn't go and do business at that guy's place if that's the kind of person he is but what they're doing is they're like trying to Target that guy but would you for would you want the government to force him to do it no I would think I think the market should dictate whether or not someone I mean I think alerting people is a good thing absolutely but having the government dictate that these people have to make that cake that's kind of that's kind of crazy so that's

16:39the that's what's happened to the left basically the left has gone from liberalism using logic and thinking and uh and information basically to make decisions to inform your decisions and usually liberals air on the side of the other so in this case they're trying to they think they're protecting the gays so that right like we want gays to get cakes where everyone else get cake so we're going to help the gays but what they've done is all they're doing is expanding state power they're expanding expanding control let the market decide sure you want to you want to Pro use your free speech protest outside tweet about it say don't go there there's a baker two two blocks over go there if you're gay you know use your use your money wisely support people that support your community of course that's a but that's a a thing for everything that's for rude people that's for you know for

17:25for people who are shitty to you for people who are you know it's just for people who will rip you off I mean it's kind of along the same lines let the market decide let the market decide of course if you don't like Joe's show you don't like Ruben's show you don't watch don't watch tell people that you don't like it there's nothing wrong with that yeah and that's quite all right but the but don't try to shut us down don't try to go to YouTube and strike us or whatever other thing there is but that's what's the left is doing this now and that's why I talk about the left all the time because I liberal and I'm watching my guys band speakers I'm watching my guys deplatform people I'm watching my guys try to close restaurants and it's like you're now you're moralizing the same way you've mocked the Christian right for all these years yeah it's just it gets to a point

18:08where you you wonder if it's going to swing back the other way I've been saying for a while we find out tomorrow yeah yeah right is that great it's tomorrow girl I've been saying for a while that I think Caitlyn Jenner created Donald Trump not really but created this thing I mean I think there was a thing there was a Tipping Point and for me it was when they gave her woman of the year and Glamour magazine and then ESPN gave her a athlete of the year and remember that ridiculous thing that they did where they circled her house with a helicopter and she was hiding behind the curtains and it was all mysterious like what in the are you selling like what is this and for people at home that are like in Indiana and they're drinking beer and they like football and they went to watch the esbs to see you know like who won best quarterback of the year and they're seeing that kind of they're like

18:55what the is this we need to make America great again yes you know I never linked it that specifically but I think you're totally right even right now when I've been watch you NBA season just started and I love basketball every time I turn on TNT now it's Barkley and uh Kenny Smith and sha and Ernie Johnson talking about race they're not talking about basketball they're talking about race they're talking about policing that those are all important issues to talk about but people go to sports for the release they go to sports because they care about the athletes and what's happening on the field and in the in the boxing match whatever it is and now everything is be coming politicized so ESPN is giving their athlete of the year to Caitlyn Jenner it makes no freaking sense or why are the NFL ratings down you know it's because people are talking about Kaepernick and politics instead of

19:41sports does that make the ratings go down really is the ratings down well the ratings are hugely down in the NFL this year and a lot of people are linking that I I don't know it empirically I wouldn't be shocked there's a lot of people in this country just have zero tolerance I mean it's almost like separation of church and state like they would like their Sports to just be Sports and about sports yeah you know and I I kind of appreciate that in a certain way because it's like if you were watching a comedy show and all of a sudden during that comedy show they started deeply discussing religion like really like discussing deep intricacies of different faith-based cultures you be like what the am I watch this is not comedy right do it's funny sure but once you you turned that thing and now you're doing something else right you're doing a different thing like you're not doing

20:21sports you're doing you're doing race relations or you're doing but I I understand that it's also they look at it as a platform for our culture and that's what Kaepernick did he said look I have this platform and in some ways I think what he did kind of worked because a lot of kids in high school now are doing that they're taking knees in the National you know when they do the national anthem it's it's strange but it's also like the black uh like when people had the Black Fist at the Olympics were those dudes that did that in the 1960 70s I think it was 71 maybe was 71 yeah something like that 72 whatever that was I mean that got people talking this gets people talking too and maybe sometimes you need to kind of inject some sort of something to think about yeah during sporting events I'm not I'm not telling them not to do it of course I would Kaepernick wants to do

21:09that go ahead these guys if if Barkley and all them want to if their TNT bosses are okay with it and they go well you know you can do that instead of talking about how many points Durant had then so be it but I'm just saying what I think most people want from Sports is an escape and I can tell you for sure in the two or three weeks that the NBA season's been gone every time I flip by and they're doing that I change it where I used to I love those guys I think that show in many ways is a incredible social experiment not just a sports experiment I don't know what the show is but you know it's the after show on TNT where so it's Barkley who's obviously completely outspoken and and incredible and Kenny Smith who also is and Shaq uh and and Ernie Johnson's the the token white guy in the love token white guys he know but they're all really great in their their

21:55rhythm with each other for four guys to sit there and do it they they've been doing it for probably 15 years Shaq's newer to it but anyway uh I go to ESPN or TNT for sports right you want to hear and there's plenty to talk about in sports there all these players all these plays all these games all so much is riding on each event yeah so I'm not begrudging them any of the the legitimate things that you're talking about of course they the athletes can do whatever they want to express themselves in any way but once that starts becoming more of what you're talking about than the sports that's why people start tuning out well again the Market's deciding right and if their ratings go down because of this I guess maybe someone in the head office will go hey guys what the right you know and that's how it should be I mean that's absolutely how it should be yeah it's

22:39it's a fascinating time and I think this is a side effect of everyone having a voice because we all have voices now you know I mean this is the the new world we live in the new world we live in is anyone can broadcast anyone can get on Periscope and just start talking anybody don't tell everybody that anyone can anyone can on Twitter and just make a post about something I mean I've been telling my people I'm the only one that can do it what are you doing do you remember that woman what was her name again the woman who wrote the post about AIDS on Twitter I'm going to Africa hope I don't get AIDS LOL just kidding I'm white yeah yeah yeah she was just a nobody PR person nobody knew who she was before that I can't remember her name nobody is that it I think that's it yeah but that that sort of event it was it's like that's the beginning it's the first

23:26pop of the colonel when you start making popcorn and you hear that first pop po we're culturally about to Jiffy Pop the out of this thing that's what's happening yeah it's all going nuts you know I remember when that sacko thing happened and so basically she said that she said that joke she gets on a plane she disappears for what 8 10 hours or something and then she gets on plane her life is destroyed she has to leave her job blah blah blah she's publicly humiliated I remember and look I tweet all the time I I love Twitter and I love the way you can communicate through it but I remember I didn't tweet anything about it intentionally cuz I was like wait a minute good for you because I was like wait wait wait let me get this straight a woman who I've never heard of before who's not a public person per se tweeted a bad joke basically a really tasteless stupid thought her life is going to be

24:13destroyed why would I add to that so I really tried to make a conscious decision to just be like you know and I do that now and again with certain news things where I'm like this one I'm going to sit out because we this gang mentality like no one you no one you didn't know who that was before nobody knew who this woman was before but so one random person said something that I didn't like we Must Destroy her so you're right it is that's the first pop and now there these pops are happening all over the place which by the way is what why I think what Peter teal did with Hogan and Gawker is phenomenal yes I agree phenomenal I agree because there there's some there's some violent and aggressive invasion of privacy that's going on with companies that are trying to make a lot of money by doing that and that's one of the things that lot of people thought about Gawker yeah although I did read an

25:00incredible piece on Gawker from May I hate to say this about Donald Trump's hair where they investigating whether or not Donald Trump's hair is a very expensive weave I read it and they had like a diagram of showing how it like beers around and like that there's an office in Trump Tower that is something that does that that it's one floor below his and the office doesn't have a it doesn't have a website anymore and they've been doing this procedure for like a long time and it's like they essentially they take a hair and then they they find whatever hairs you have and they sort of tie this hair onto your hair like one hair at a time and it's like some crazy eight hour procedure and the speculation is that the entire business revolves around maintaining his hair in that manner now as someone who uh is bald is bald thank you I was going to try to do something Fally challenged

25:52or hair transplants I went the full rout I have a big smile scar in the back of my head from you let them chop out a piece of the back of your head and they tried to put it up front yeah the way I describe it is like they take some people that are really healthy and they move into a neighborhood where everyone's dying that's funny yeah well I I was you know when I did it I was in my late 20s and I was I was just on television and I was panicking cuz my hair was falling out I was like oh my God I'm just my career is just getting started and I'm going to lose it all because I was thinking very probably correctly that a lot of My Success was predicated on my appearance and I was like if this goes like if I go bald I'm no one had shaved heads back then the '90s either if they did it was very rare and uh so I went through all this but it it helped it definitely gave me like thicker hair

26:43but it was too it was too much work and and it eventually I realized like it's so pointless and then when I shaved my head it was like the most freeing feeling yeah I was like I like it better like this if I if I had hair right now I'd shave it yeah I mean I'm holding ground and I when looks wonderful don't don't go hard on your hair but I used to have hair over here you know that that's what happens as as you age but I know for sure there were times in my life when I was very stressed and I'm not kidding you I could feel it could you feel it when you were when you were losing hair could you feel it at times coming out yeah like like not like like a almost like a not literally like each individual thing but almost like a I could feel my tension there basically no and as I maybe that was just psychological yeah maybe maybe maybe hair is completely connected to

27:29your emotions maybe you're one of those this is why I don't smoke pot anymore cuz that's what I would think about I'd smoke pot and go wait a minute what's going on up there you know really kind of yeah that's the that's the rub on the pot right whatever's with you yeah exactly comes to the that's why I like the sativa uh the Inda I like pot for that reason though I want to know what's with me yeah I don't want know it's like that old joke that Kennison used to have about uh they say every man's got a homosexual fantasy he goes well I'm sitting around the other day going through my fantasies cuz if there's one in there I want to know I want to know about it yeah did you find yours I didn't have one I looked it's not in there I'm so sorry for your people so when you see so as someone that is shaved that feels good about it as you said it's like a bir tell people

28:12all the time if a dudes are struggling I'm like just shave your head so then doesn't Trump seem doubly ridiculous to you in a certain way well he's more than doubly ridiculous he's ridiculous in a million different ways just on the hair front really I mean that's cliche so we don't have to spend too much time talking about but doesn't that like as someone who shaved your head you feel good about it that he does this thing this whatever the it is he always says it's my hair it's my hair which is sort of a cop because yeah they're probably doing something should buy hair your hair yeah yeah but doesn't it seem doubly ridiculous then to Someone Like You like knowing that you're shaved and you feel good and life goes on but I get it from a psychological standpoint I get it also as a person who likes to have control over their life you know like you you feel like that's one thing that really

28:51freaks people out about their hair but it's it's a like features and and appearance is very bizarre right I know this woman who recently got a nose job and uh she was beautiful and she decided that she didn't like her nose and she got like a little bit trimmed off it's kind of crazy right but there's a weird thing where people decide that if my nose was 1/8 of a millimeter smaller I would feel better about myself I would feel better about my appearance but i' I've met people that have big noses no she doesn't look any better she looked great before she looks great now it's just a weird thing that people do they they fixate but what I was going to get at is it's really strange like what we decide looks good you know and that it's cultural in a lot of ways because if you go to some like how about those I think it's Su Suri women who decide they put those giant plates in their lips yeah

29:43and the bigger the plate the more cattle they're worth when they get married there's like really bizarre cultures and it's an example of how human beings when isolated for whatever reason I mean there's scar scarification RIS rituals that many cultures go through where they'll cut pieces out of their skin to appear to look like crocodiles have you ever seen that where they do their backs men do it yeah yeah they cut these chunks out of their back and then they develop these choid scars that pop up and they see if you can find that Jamie men with uh crocodile scarring but it's there's so many different scarification rituals and look at me I'm covered in tattoos there's like weird things that people do to their body and weird appearances that people choose to enjoy or not enjoy and it just gets it gets very bizarre like what the is hair why is gu back oh

30:37man oh I have seen that that crazy yeah and they just they cover their entire back with this that it makes it look like like a crocodile skin wow yeah well you know uh Joy bear used to say a phrase on on The View dare I quote The View but Jo Joy bear used to say something that I always thought was great and it was really simple she used to say it's an inside job that everything really is just an inside job so if you're walking around your friend's walking around and she thinks that this little you know beautiful woman but she thinks this little millimeter some it bothers her for some reason it's an inside job now she may still have that same insecurity after or maybe she exercised it you know maybe it actually did do what it was supposed to do but most of us are walking around the that we're walking around with is just an inside job and it's your it's

31:21your job as a human to to exercise that stuff and that's I mean I try to do it every day that that's what trying to get better is all about and we fail at it constantly I fail every day but there's also like a certain amount of you that should be upset with the way you look so that you force yourself to go to the gym and it keeps you healthy I just moved out of West Hollywood we talked about this last time I was here you know where every guy these people but they're disgusting but they're actually disgusting for the most part how so cuz they're just each other in the street like Mad Dogs because you don't want to go to the steam room I literally I just left I lived West Hollywood for 3 years I never I went to the locker room in that gym 24-Hour Fitness once dude 2our Fitness in West Hollywood is the one I always talk about my friend used to be the manager there I used to go to

32:10the 24 bastard I used to go to the 24-Hour Fitness in Woodland Hills and there was a guy that worked there that was my friend who was a manager and they sent him over he was at another 24-Hour Fitness but he was like a really good well organized guy well-liked and they sent him to West Hollywood to clean up and he said he got there and dudes were just going at it in the sauna and they' have to mop it down he said it was insane he said it was basically just a gay hookup spot it the whole place frankly is disgusting I mean it really really but but beyond just like that just the the sex or whatever this idea that you have to look perfect and you know there's never enough and that's why for me it's like that's why gay marriage was so important not because of the does whether you want to get married or not is irrelevant but the idea that all these people that could never get

32:56married they had to stay in the rat race forever imagine that if you always felt like you had to stay in the rat race because the same equality of being in a relationship that was sanctioned by the state as silly as that may all be in in at some level but the idea that you just had to stay in this race forever and then one day you're 50 and you're trying to look like you're 20 because you're still in that race because you never found someone whether it's a guy or a girl or whatever that you can start you know maturing into some other thing with and that's why equality was important marriage equality was important to me not whether someone actually gets married or not Milo and I have great debates on this um but that you got to get out because there's nothing sadder than than those people that never stop that well sad to you on the outside but if those people are on anti-depressants

33:43and cocaine they might be having a God great time believe me they're happier than me they' got cash Expendable income yeah yeah yeah they got hair plugs and they're tan Beyond imagin they look good I'm not saying they don't look good but actually they don't look that good cuz their muscles are too big you know they all just the shirts are too tight like it's like settle down everybody yeah there's there's a lot of that going on I you know I used to work out at Gold's Gym on Cole which is uh you know where that is in West Hollywood it's like right down the street from Sunset and Gower Studios we used to do News Radio at Sunset go and so there was a Gold Gym down the street I'm like oh well I'll just make a membership there that way over at lunch I could just shoot over get a workout in real quick and get by cuz I had just gotten used to like set life like life on the set on a

34:29new sitcom you're working at a minimum if the sitcom's not going well like news radio wasn't really going well in terms of like we're trying to find its legs in the early days and we would work 12 14 hours a day and it was really hard to do stand up at night and it was really hard to work out I was like God damn man and same with like my hair I was like I got to stay in shape you know like there was a lot of scenes on news radio where I had to take my shirt off that was like a kind of a part of who I was I don't want him to replace me I better keep going to the gym yeah and plus some Vin so anyway I went over to uh this Gold's Gym and I didn't know that that was exactly like the 24-Hour Fitness in West Hollywood it was just a gay disco I used to feel like a tasty little morsel and a big homo stew I would walk in there like a wounded Antelope trailing

35:13up to the water hole and there was all these dudes with like scrunchy socks like from Olivia Newton John Let's Get Physical and they would have Timberlands on and cut off jeans these people where you where animals just big yolked up steroid it up dudes just gayer than the day is long yeah it was uh was it was interesting cuz it made me feel like what it must feel like to be a woman who's not interested in getting hit on who goes to the gym yeah well when I first moved to West Hollywood I first was intimidated by it because I was like you know I'm at this gym with all these like huge musly whatever and then as time went on I started enjoying it cuz I was like this is actually ridiculous like yeah it really is a comedy so if you take it just at that which that's the level you were taking it at You' walk in there and go look at this idiot Timber who works out in Timberlands but you're not

35:59kidding they actually do shorts it's like what what are you are you building a log cabin or working out like they're spending a they're sending rather a very clear message they're looking for some dick this is how you get it with Timberland they throw that flag up Timberland the Daisy Dukes are important there's no there's no like subtlety in Daisy Dukes you got Daisy Dukes on whether you're a guy or a girl you're looking for dick yeah right that's the universal flag of I'm looking for dick yeah I got to get some new shorts Daisy there's something about the Daisy Dukes right yeah like and when guys started adopting it's like whoa all right buddy but that's that all goes to like nobody care like all of this stuff about when we talk about game marage or any of this stuff it's like enough already it's there it exists like people I support I should say one thing I

36:46support you doing whatever the you want to do if you want to wear daisy dukes and a bunch of dudes who cares go have fun this is the this is a short experience I'm 49 years old I'm almost 50 which is if everything goes great I'm halfway dead and it's probably not going to go that great all the acid and pot and all that jazz have a little faith in some of the robotics that are coming in some of the Jean stuff I do but I mean realistically I don't want to plan on that and also you got some do so you're on the the good side of it I'm on the good side of it but there's also issues like asteroids super volcano Zombie Invasion alien attack who knows what the going to go down in the next couple of decades but my point is this this is a short ride it's it's not that long it seems like it's a long time when you're young because when you're 22 you look at 80 you're like God

37:34that's so far away but when you're 50 and you look at 80 like yo that's around the corner a year is not that long it just seems long when you've only gone through 20 of them in your whole life you're like wow it's so long a year I can't wait until I'm 21 you know and then all of a sudden you look back and you go oh this thing happened in the blink of an eye yeah I my from 30 to 40 which I turn this year went so fast I mean I I remember my 30th birthday and I remember thinking wow now like I'm not a kid anymore like because you can push it into your 20s right you can get through your 20s and still think you're somehow not an adult maybe or but 30 then you go well now I'm kind and now it's like wow I just turned 40 and it's like now it's like this is real this is really real you're in it and but I think the key is to not even concentrate on that to be aware of it to recognize it to

38:25address it but just concentrate on and this is such a cliche statement but I try to say it as much as possible living in the moment yeah just being here in the moment taking care of your biology you know respect your meat vehicle take care of that thing but try to enjoy this thing and live in the moment and the more you don't live in the moment the more you get caught up in the more it gets away from you and anxiety and nonsense and all this stupidity and that kind of goes back to Trump with his wacky hair like you're not living in the moment if you're a 70-year-old guy and you're spraying your hair down with a gown of Aquanet before you go out and everybody knows what you're doing everybody knows what you're doing that's the piece that's the piece it's like everyone knows something shave that head you're worth $18 billion doar whatever the hell he's maybe he's

39:12not really worth that much right isn't that we have no freaking clue just I'd like to do it with him come on dude I'll do it imagine if he did that today imagine if he did it today one day before the election he'd win in a landslide like he would get there would be such positive will towards all guys would go yes he's one of us Larry David would endorse him I mean it would be huge well I'm curious as to the backlash against Trump not the current backlash against Trump but when it's going to come from other people because people when whenever someone is perceived to be a bully whether he is or not you can make your own choice your own decision about that but I think he is and a lot of people think he is and I think that's also probably one of the reasons why he's been so successful is cuz he's so ruthlessly competitive and he thinks of himself so highly and those sort of

40:00traits like narciss narcissistic traits are often times very prevalent in people that are successful in business like really successful like he is when he puts his name on everything and he's branded everything and everything's Trump this and Trump that he has no notion whatsoever staying low-key well when you fight against like he's really mad at Alec Baldwin and SNL for doing what I think is hilarious and very it's it's really well done like that thing that they do grab him by the you know he does that Alex Baldwin's best work I think since Beetlejuice yeah right well what the one the one Glen Gary G Glen Ross probably his best work since the coffee is for closers line has been this I mean it's it's it's funny and he gets angry like John Stewart did a bit he was doing this uh um standup for Veterans for some sort of a benefit and he did this bit where he

40:54started reading off these Twitter exchanges but between him and Donald Trump that Donald Trump just started tweeting at him in the in the middle of the night like he's a tweet from 1:30 in the morning have you seen this uh I mean I probably have seen some of them brand new it's brand new this this standup bit you should watch so I haven't seen it let's let's pull it up Jamie because I I think John Stewart I think we could actually play this on you I'm friends with John Stewart I'm sure he'd let us play it because it's I think he'd also agree that this is kind of important like it just shows you it's not whether or not Donald Trump's assertive approach and make America great again and not letting in terrorists and all that stuff all the things you may or may not agree with we're just talking about from a psychological standpoint from looking at him as a human being like there's

41:39there's something off here there's something incorrect about his thinking well that's you're hitting a lot of the a lot of the stuff so we can do let's let's watch this because it's pretty funny I woke up to find out somebody was tweeting weird about me okay so on April 24th 2013 at 11: a.m someone comes into my office and says Donald Trump just tweeted I promise you I'm much smarter than Jonathan liebertz I mean John Stewart who by the way is totally overrated now I'm going to say something to you this is real and I don't necessarily disagree with it so so I said as you might say to yourself what the is that about so we're not quite sure we can't quite figure it out so a couple of days later he tweets as I've said many times before John Stewart is highly overrated then I swear this is true he tweets again if John Stewart is so above it all and legit why did he

43:09change his name from Jonathan libowitz he should be proud of his Heritage yeah that that guy wants to be president okay hold on let me keep going then he tweeted John Stewart is a total phony he should cherish his past not run from it sorry they okay so I start to think to myself like oh I think this guy's trying to let people know I'm a Jew and I think to myself like doesn't my face do that honestly like where have you seen this face other than a poster for yentel like what in what world are people like Stewart that's a Scottish name but there there's something about that fella that looks a little shmey it would be funny if it wasn't so toxically crude and horrible but so I decide to Tweet back at him many people don't know this but Donald Trump's real name is Von clownstick I wish you would embrace the Fon clownstick Heritage so ye You Remember by the way Lincoln used

44:50to get into this all the time I I swear to God this is true the man who will more than likely given the FBI's preference be our next president then tweeted amazing how the haters and losers keep tweeting the name face Bond cleans like they are so original and like no one else is doing what happened is it turned out a lot of people on Twitter picked up on the name face F clown stick and started tweeting at it then he tweets what's funny about the name face V it was not coined by John libowitz he stole it from a on Twitter so I Tweet back we seem to have hit a face Von nerve stick silence radio silence 4 days later I you not perhaps the next president of the greatest country in the world at 1:30 in the morning tweeted Little John Stewart is a and would be hopeless in a debate with me oh vote wisely this November well that that line at the end really says it all right there vote

46:59wisely this November because this is where we're at now and John Stewart is a is that that speaks volumes too like who tweets something like that who's what 70-year-old tweets something like that who's running for president Joe I'm going to do something that's very difficult right now oh I'm going to try to defend Donald Trump for a second on this which is he is using the system against itself so he's using the trolling tactics he know what is his ultimately yes that's all insane that's all completely utterly insane strange like anti-semitic dog whistling although it's as if John Stewart's hiding the fact that he's Jewish he talks about being Jewish every day like there's so much bizarre lunacy in there in the comments but what my best defense of him is not that he look the guy's obviously a narcissist he obviously has some sort of personality disorder and all kinds of

47:47other and and Shady business practices and we don't know the taxes and all that stuff the defense I can give of him is that he's using the system against itself so all of this corrupt media all of this political correctness all of this the outrage culture all the stuff we've been talking about he purposely does it just to keep his name out there so these idiots these the lap dog media just keeps giving him free attention and then by giving him free attention he doesn't have to spend the money that all the other candidates do Hillary's outspending him I I don't know what the numbers are but I bet you do something like 20 to one and it's like he's just using it so does he believe any of this stuff he's saying and is that morally wrong and ethically gross sure but he's just using the system and I think you know when people are saying oh you know if it had only been Ruby you know a lot

48:33of Democrats if it had only been Rubio or Romney or J Bush it would have been so much better all the whether they're calling him anti- women or anti-gay or anti- they would have been saying it about them too because they did it I mean remember what they were saying about Romney four years ago he had binders of women he hates women he hates IM like I would probably vote for Romney at this point Romney had that he did say binders of women right he had like but it was just took it out of context made it it was a talking point I mean that's what politics is all about but what's important to know first of all I agree with you and I think his use of really ridiculous statements and stuff is brilliant because he does force the media to report on some of the things he says but that was 2013 he wasn't running for president then right no so he he has always used it for his

49:16own purposes just to keep his own celebrity out there right so everything he's done from from any point that I can remember him from in the 80s to forward has been to further his own brand his own Empire his own money all of that stuff and now he's just he's doing exactly what the media has demanded in a weird way yeah you know like the media doesn't even wait for us to get outraged anymore they they're sitting there all of these people at all of these you know Daily Beast all these sites that somehow are all considered legit and nothing personally against Daily Beast I'm just picking one but like they're literally just waiting for him to tweet so that they can write the article about the outrage that the Tweet caused they don't even wait for us to be outraged they just start so it's like he's just feeding them he's feeding the monster knowing it keeps getting more clicks the

50:03more clicks and Views he gets the more they'll want to talk about him the more money it makes the networks it's like he really is just he's just playing the game really well he's playing the game brilliantly I mean he's a great heel he does a great job at it yeah look he loves wrestling right I mean he used to do stuff with the WWF WWE yeah because he gets that and that's what people are missing here so we can talk all about all the policies and whether he actually has a personality of the sort and all that but in terms of the tactics he's just doing it he's you know NBC um they invited me to go on Celebrity Apprentice back when we did the second version of Fear Factor which I guess was like 2011 or 12 or something like that I forget what year it was and I should have done it I didn't want to do it CU I would have had to moved to New York for like three months but my

50:49family was down they like let's do it and I was like all right maybe that I don't want to do that I'm like I don't just just I don't like show I don't like shows you know I don't I don't maybe if it was a show that I I watched and enjoyed but I never watched it yeah but I wish I did now cuz I I wanted to I I would love to have some insight i' love to be around that guy and pick his brain because Jeff Ross was around him when they roasted him for Comedy Central and he said the guy was very reasonable this is when they roasted him like he signed up for the roast and Jeff had a conversation with him he's like you know when they turn to you and they're saying jokes about you you should laugh because it looks bad if you're just sitting there like you're upset like make you look better if you laugh he's like you're right like he like he seemed very reasonable

51:29like I think there's something about he's very concerned with perception hence the hair right like he's very concerned with control was very concerned with all these different things so like in a lot of ways this is sort of a psychological profile as much as it is a presidential race it's like we're watching two different people that are extremely flawed like she is not honest Hillary Clinton is a a very very dishonest person there's a incredible amount of data to point that she is incredibly dishonest whether it's dishonest about the Clinton Foundation dishonest about the emails dishonest completely about Benghazi do you remember when they were trying to say Benghazi was all in response to a YouTube video yeah which she knew it wasn't there are emails that prove it yeah exactly exactly and it's it's very very disturbing when you consider the fact that that is not

52:17that's not it doesn't disqualify you from running the government it doesn't qual like if you're going to have someone who represents the people of you know as John Stewart said and I agree the Great greatest country in the world you should have someone who's honest and look even Barack Obama's turned out through these Wikileaks um uh releases that he lied about not knowing that Hillary Clinton had that email server yeah he had you know he had commented on it and he had emailed her on it so that's not true so it's the whole thing is very very sorted in many many many ways and you know Gary Johnson keeps up I've had him on the podcast before and I enjoyed him I like talking to him but how do you not know what Aleppo is I I didn't know what Aleppo is by the way but I knew what was going on in Syria but I didn't know the name of the city that was getting bombed

53:04sure and of course look the media is disingenuous when they when they find that Aleppo moment with Gary Johnson and suddenly that's the lead story all over the place or for 24 hours it's all over Twitter because it's like you guys ignored everything he says so now he's screwed up once and now that's the way you discredit him so I've Had Gary Johnson on my show also so I I chatted with him uh he was going on Larry King when I was over at Ora we had about a half hour before we went on air in the Green Room the guy has he's a perfectly decent lovely human being not he's not dumb he is a nice guy I I would love to smoke pot with him and go skiing but like but like but that said in August I did a video on my channel where I said I will support this guy to get to 15% to get him in the in the debates because we whether you like him or not we desperately need another voice talk

53:50about limited government talk about why uh taxes should be low or what whatever it is now I failed at that obviously I tried but from that point from about mid August to the debate he had about 10 horrific moments like I actually think as much as I like him personally he's done the Libertarians uh and in a certain way the country a major disservice by being so ill-prepared for this so many people would have been excited to have heard an actual imagine if there was a Libertarian right now obviously he's not going to win like a Ross Pro type character a Ross perau type or just someone who had a certain command of the issues cuz Gary He's you all the reasons that we like him but he's kind of goofy and silly and you know he stammers a lot and he speaks in a funny way and his body language is kind of you know s you know slippery or I don't know but the point is this was

54:38the year if there were if we were ever going to have a third party a third choice something like that this was the year where it could have made a real Dent the way Ross perau did yeah and Gary could have it should have been the libertarian candidate more than Jill S I think but Gary just at every opportunity to show that he knows he's doing can can speak clearly about the issues he failed you know he's not he's for having the government Force the the India Indiana uh Baker to bake the cake did you know that he's a Libertarian so a lot for the government forcing them to bake that cake really yeah H so so he isn't even a great but I even said this in my video I said look the guy's not a great libertarian I don't think he's a great candidate well he was a republican when he ran New Mexico he was a Republican and he was a good two-term Governor by was Bill weld by the way who's his

55:24running mate who's the former Governor of Massachusetts yeah so they're both decent fellas you know what I mean they're both decent fellas and maybe that's just not what makes you the president but this was they missed a huge opportunity imagine if there had just been a well-spoken Libertarian who could just have elicited what the points of libertarianism is I think it would look it's not going to flip the election but it could have done something and and I think he was the wrong guy it's a dirty business you know and that's one of the reasons why Hillary Clinton is good at it she's a dirty person yeah I mean I I I say that with no ill will I mean I don't hate that lady I mean but what she does is dirty and if you look at what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders that's dirty and what she did as soon as that woman got fired from the DNC she hires her immediately I mean it's so incredibly

56:12transparent so think how corrupt really how corrupt this is and this is again why I talk about the left a lot because they need to call out their side it would be very it would be very easy for us for us to sit here and just mock the right the whole time can get further into Trump and mock the at him and talk the problem is I don't believe in a left and a right no I don't either but I'm just within the way we have to sort of frame discussions you know what I mean like yeah the labels are they're all ridiculous at this point but think about how corrupt the DNC is Debbie waserman Schultz was the head of the DNC they find out she's rigging it for Hillary she steps down in shame literally I the same day or the next day she then start same day she starts working for the Hillary campaign then Donna brail who's a who's a democratic superdelegate right she's Democratic

57:00super who CNN had on as a contributor as if she could possibly give you any uh you know remotely honest answer on anything she then becomes the head of the DNC and then now it's of course come out on Wikileaks in the last week that she was feeding Hillary questions yeah for the debates so it so you may hate the Republicans for all the all your fans out there that hate the Republicans you still got to acknowledge that there is something deeply deeply corrupt with Democrats and and Hillary's the head of that simply simply put deeply corrupt against Bernie Sanders who's also a Democrat it's like what what Hillary Clinton is is a hustler and she knows how to put it all together and she's got and the the both of the clintons they're Hustlers they keep these people close to them and they they make sure that everyone is taken care of whether it's people from other countries that donate

57:51money to the Clinton Foundation whether it's all these different people like when you know when she hired that woman for her campaign That's Not Unusual like that's standard operational procedure for for the Clinton campaign it's like how she's conducted business and it's that's what we don't like about politics what we don't like about politics is the cronyism and the established roots that they have developed over 30 plus years in government yeah so that's what's happening right now is that because of WikiLeaks we're starting to see how the sausage is made it's not just a theory anymore so for the last couple years where where lot of online people would be screaming about the government's corrupt the media's in bed with them you know they they're pitching softball interviews well now we're seeing that it's actually true like there's actual evidence in emails saying yeah give

58:37softball stories to easy reporters at the New York Times don't talk to this person you know blah blah blah we're seeing all of it now and it's coming to a and then you throw Trump into it and you throw trolling and internet culture and you get all of that going and back to that popcorn that we started with now it's all bubbling at once and you know it all comes down to tomorrow and I also think there's waves of this stuff there's waves of outrage and then the people sort of get resigned to it all because they just their own life calls you know like if you really wanted to delve deep into the clintons OR delve deep into Trump and just that would absorb every second of your day for decades it really really would with both of those guys and you got to live and it's always been like that do you remember Jeff Ganon do you remember who he is it sounds familiar give me a

59:23little Jeff Ganon was a embedded reporter in the White House who actually spent time sleeping at the White House he had slept in the White House in more than one occasion and this was during the Bush Administration and he would ask the most ridiculous questions that you would never think that a reporter would ask like uh like Mr President when are the Democrats going to wake up and come to their senses like those kind of questions like just completely ridiculous leading questions complete softballs well it turned out that he this is like when the internet was just starting to emerge right it was during the Bush Administration it turned out that he was a gay escort and he ran an all military gay escort service yeah this does kind of sound and he wore like dog tags and a towel over his dick and he was straddled on the ground with combat boots on and his in his online ad you

60:15know what I've seen him at 24-Hour Fitness in West Hollywood he's the manager now that's the guy he's the guy with the mop so they realized that this guy was I mean this was how they got I mean this is how they got the questions they want to be asked and they presented the you know the narrative that they wanted to push but this has always been the case there's always been ridiculous people who are almost like vampire familiars who stay close to the master and so they want to you know in one way or another feed off of whatever power that he has and and capitalize on it whether it's Debbie waserman Schultz whether it's you know what is a woman's name that's the attorney general that Clinton met on the tarmac in his jet oh Lynch Lynch that story is insane they had a private meeting I mean Trump's been hitting that over the head and it's actually every time he says it

61:08I'm like yeah wait a minute they had a meeting in the plane for a couple minutes right before the indictment didn't happen like well that's why people like Scott Adams who's a very reasonable guy he's coming on soon he's great he he a little bit of what I said before about the Trump tactics he came on my show and he laid it out so clearly and and at that point wasn't supporting Trump really and I think I think I think now he officially is but his whole point was it's not the policy understand what he's doing the trolling understand the leading that he does and then comes in after all that he fully gets it you're you're going to love talking to him yeah I mean I feel like what Trump represents to a lot of people that are supporting him is they'll they're willing to look past all of his flaws and all the and the bullying and the craziness because he's something

61:55completely unique that has never run for president before what he is he what he represents is a guy who has been inside but is also outside he is independent in in in in terms of financially and he's also independent in terms of his connections and his obligations to them one of the things about him being a narcissist and one the things about him being a guy who probably doesn't have a whole lot of friends is that in establishing that and be becoming this super success guy who's really concerned only about himself he's immune to all that cronyism he's not going to do that and you're seeing that like the way he's hammering Hillary on all these different things the way he's attacking I mean he got paid to be at Hillary's wedding or Hillary rather got paid to be at his wedding he paid say he gave her a donation for her to show up at his wedding I it up um I mean

62:51this is a guy that's been deeply embedded in in the in politics to his credit then he points that out I mean in the in the first debate the first Republican debate what was he said it within the first 10 minutes yeah I gave her money and she showed up to my wedding that's how corrupt the system is so you're totally right what what's happening is people are they're so frustrated they're frustrated about language and all the and seeing all the nonsense between the media and the White House Correspondence Dinner where you know they call it nerd prom and all the they're supposed to be guarding the politicians and instead they're having dinner with them and we could go through the list of the amount of people that are on CNN that are married to public people or worked for campaigns you know I just mentioned the Don of Brazil thing there's a g Paul Bala for example he runs a Hillary super

63:35pack he's on CNN as an analyst like this sh everyone is now seeing it there was the idea of it but now because of the internet we're seeing all of it and people have just had it think about it everyone wants to be close to power in a certain way so if you had uh if you had Barack Obama you had the president in here you probably in your first interview with him the first time you met him might go a little easier hoping that he might come back again because you'd like to be around it a little bit not me dude I hope I hope not you I would go hard I would show up drunk and high and I'd go like let's let's just do this man let's just do this I want to know what's up but he now there goes chance Tov the president I look I don't want to be the president but likely there would be like some serious consequences if I did do that right so there that's what's the real concern so

64:22there's two things there's one is that he won't do if you ask if you are going to demand a really hard interview I mean a really really hard interview wouldn't even be a hard interview what I would do if I had a chance to sit down with Barack Obama because he's not much older than me yeah he's only a couple years old than me like I I essentially could hang out with that guy I think in a lot of ways let's forget about what he's done and the drones and the attacks on whistleblowers and the attacks on the freedom of the press there's been a lot of horrible things that have occurred during this Administration it's been one of the worst administrations in terms of freedom of the press yeah it's not good doesn't seem to say much about that not at all they cuz it's it's that's why I don't believe in this left and right thing it's like the Raiders versus the Dolphins you pick a team and

65:04your team can do no wrong yeah what I would talk to him about is what is it like being a human being under that immense amount of pressure and is that job even manageable is is it possible for one person to really be responsible for 300 whatever million people there are here yeah well that's the right but that but that's the Donald Trump's going to put an end to that people think we're voting for a king they don't realize that you know there's simple Civics things that people need to know that they don't know anymore stuff that you should have learned in seventh grade social studies that we have three branches of government the president is one branch he's the executive branch all he is supposed to do the president doesn't write laws all he is supposed to do is sign the law Congress writes the law the legislative branch and then the judicial branch the courts actually make

65:48sure that they're legal and there's separation of powers and a balance so that they can you know checks and balances so they make sure no Branch gets too powerful but if if you think about it think about what the last two years have been like for this election people think we're voting on a king So Hillary I can solve this and all that and it's like wait a minut if you can do all this why didn't you tell Barack these last eight years I'll bring all the jobs back well you were on his team so maybe you should have mentioned that so you know that's all right and then when Trump says I'm the only one that can solve immigration I'm the only one that can make the economy great and it's like well you're just a part of the government I get it you're a big part and we we we fetishize the president in a way that we don't the other branches which is a problem um but

66:28they're they're not a king and we have to remind ourselves of that and for the people that are really ready to jump off the bridge tomorrow if their guy loses um or gal or or gal uh for those people the hope is that the system is can be stronger than either one of these two people you have if if if we're not at that point then we're really in trouble well haven't we already established though that the system itself is horribly yeah it's just busted it's just busted but that's why they're voting Trump and that's the thing that's the thing with Trump if you think about Trump what what have uh progressives hated all these years they hate Christian conservatives well guess what Trump's not a Christian conservative he doesn't give a he they're all supporting him oddly at the highest numbers but he doesn't care about that do you think Trump really cares about abortion he's an old school

67:11Grabber yeah exactly you're right he doesn't he's an old school gra ospg he doesn't care about abortion spe that's a t-shirt there there you go you can have that one but he doesn't care about abortion he doesn't does care about gay rights like think about it he gave the the at the RNC at the convention he talked about gay rights they got an Applause break he brought Peter teal up there to talk about being openly gay and they loved him I mean so a also to established that Hillary Clinton was anti-gay marriage until 2013 when it became convenient she is on record many many times of saying that she believes in a marriage between a man and a woman yeah but that's which is incredibly regressive well that's what they all do they wait now even Obama it's like he waited wa waited I think moama I said yeah um but even Obama didn't do it until Biden was on Meet the Press and he

68:04like kind of slipped and then the next day Obama was like me too you know you know what you just saying moama Michelle Obama if she ran she could probably win you want to talk about a woman who has been in the White House who has shown incredible resolve and her the way she speaks she's she's like very intelligent very articulate very comp opposed person I think she could win well what does it tell you though that I'd rather have her than Hillary how about that I would probably rather have her 100% so I don't even know what she thinks but Hillary it's that's how ridiculous being a president is I'm I'm here I'm sitting here talking about I don't I just know she's not as compromised but maybe she would be if she got that job so is that ultimately where we're at is that the system is so corrupt that all it could choke out all the two years of this could

68:55give us at the end was these two like I kind of think they just they perfectly deserve each other but if you want to look and find out what went wrong you got to look in the mirror because we all have to look at ourselves and say how did we all allow this to happen it was a joke at first the Trump thing was a joke I mean I'll fully own up I remember when he first got in I said he's going to be in three debates and that's it and well he was definitely in three debates he was yeah and then he stayed for the fourth and I went oh he's better he's better at talking to those people he's used to being on camera and he's used to insulting people like when Marco Rubio tried to insult him it was terrible oh my God he he's like he's not good at that like that's not something you just pick up on it was like watching an open mic comic have to like headline the biggest show of their life you know

69:38like he just couldn't get the words out properly but but to that point maybe so for for all the things that we're talking about it seems to me that Trump the best sales job I could give for Trump would be that he has a lot his family has a lot they have everything to live for they have everything that most of us want in material assets and what all that stuff and it's like is he really people that are like he's going to start World War II or you know we're going to fight North Korea well isn't that a real concern though that with his hubris and the way he treats opponents in business and the way he treats opponents socially like Rosio Donnell like the way he does sort of conduct himself that that's is not something that you can do if you want to talk to some foreign leader absolutely it's a cons for sure so I'm not diminishing that we don't as I say on

70:24the show all the time I don't know what his moral Center is you know I just have no sense of is this really all about him or is this does he really feel does like in the truest moment of him does he feel that the country really has been derailed and is he just using the trolling tactics to just get something good out of it the my point is that that he has say he has a lot to lose and it's like maybe he this is the moment where he finally like came around and was like I have no one's going to stop this this corrupt all this awful that you're talking about with Hillary and maybe he's like I I'm the only one that can do it that's that's the best way I can frame it I'm not telling you that's that's a really fantasy based view of it though it's not based on his actual words but it's impossible to base any of so who so how do we base any of this on their words we know that Hillary's lying

71:16left and right you know what I mean well do you have you seen the thing the difference between the FBI director giving the description of what Hillary did and then her saying FBI inacurate andon like how does that not immediately disqualify you and at any other time it would if she was running against let's put it this way if she was running against Obama and these thing and this is this was the Hillary Clinton that we had been exposed to it's like our standards have dropped so low but the media would have been all over her because they liked Obama so that's what's happened here Trump has been the great unifier to take all of these people progressives and liberals and well all these people and even you know the never Trump conservatives all these people they're all unified in just their hatred of trump and then that gets them to ignore all the horrible about

72:03Hillary so like the stuff with the emails when she when the guy basically Comey came out and he was like well it wasn't negligent was sort of he he was like she's basically an idiot she didn't know what she was doing but it wasn't negligent well that's grounds to be fired at most jobs if you're you can't screw up something really really important and say well I didn't do it in purpose I'm just an idiot it's not not not even that it's illegal and ille you would go to jail what everything she did if she was a sailor you know you know the the story about the the the naval um officer who took photos not it wasn't even an officer it was an inlisted guy who took photos of the inside of a nuclear cockpit and he's facing 10 years in jail just took photos on his phone of top secret well did you see this in the last two days that Hillary was having her cleaning lady print emails

72:47classified emails there there Wikileaks is showing things where she's saying have her printed have her printed whole Anthony Weiner thing she had Huma forwarded her classified emails to Anthony Weiner's account and then printed them up because I guess his computer was hooked up to the printer in the house so he could print his dickpics right so then well was he printing them where do you send them once you enlarge them otherwise you you get no traction you can't send actual size dickpics can I ask you this though before we get any further yeah what do you want either one of them to win and if you do you have a preference or are you like I want to step back and watch this nuclear explosion go off and see what happens it's none of those three options I I don't want this thing to blow up you know one of one of the things I say on the show all the time is

73:31that our country is still so good and we don't realize it we think that it's just this endless fighting and this awfulness there's so much good here you wake up I know we're a little we're a little different as as public people but the average person wakes up here they can say what they want to say for the most part you can say what you want to say you can get a decent job for the most part we're we go to New York City and go on a subway and be with literally every single person from every part of the world from you know every ethnicity and nationality and religion and race and sexuality and we're all here and we're not killing each other that doesn't mean that we could do a lot better it doesn't mean that the system's broken it doesn't but it's still pretty damn good here almost everyone in the world still wants to come here we don't how many of your

74:12friends are leaving America I know Le Dunham's going to leave that'll be all right sheing she's going if Trump wins you know like she said that yeah she's going to Mexico or something or Canada well she's got a lot of problems of her own yeah yeah you know right let's not waste any brain cells on her but but so my my overriding point would be I don't want to blow the system up to that level where it's really like what I was saying because I didn't say I didn't mean like watch this nuclear explosion go off I meant an event like this is an tomorrow's an event and we're going to sit back and watch how this event plays out who you do you want to say who you're voting for so look we're we're in California so so I haven't said this publicly I figured I would sort of wait till today so we're in California here so we know Hillary's winning California so the the two of us have a little bit

74:55of a luxury to do something that might be more principled than what that as far as voting Independence yeah than what the average person if you're in Ohio or you're in Florida or Colorado or whatever your your votes ma literally every single person's vote matter which also highlights how goofy the system is right so completely does right and now there are people that trading votes over state lines and all kinds of crazy things look my biggest thing this time is that the system is just mangled and we need more voices so I my I'm not totally sure my gut feeling is I'm going to vote for Gary Johnson for all the wrong reasons because I just want somebody to realize down the road that four years from now we should have somebody else but I think you can make equally strong cases for Trump and for Hillary and equally wrong cases for both of them because everything because it's

75:43funny I I don't I'll ask you the same question but just from what we've talked about here my sense is you're going to vote for Hillary in the most begrudging possible way I don't think I am if I was going to vote for Hillary so think about this I would I would have to I would have to have a way that I could justify supporting her not just a way that I didn't feel like Trump should be the president it's in my mind for the system it's it's it's it's far better if it's not it doesn't make sense I I think I definitely think my options are either voting for Gary Johnson or writing someone in yeah and I don't think Gary Johnson should be president no I know and look he's not going to be so you can do that in but if he was president look the guy did a great job as a governor of Mexico and I mean what what I find disagreeable about him is so much different than what I found

76:39disagreeable about George Bush and George Bush was a president for eight years what I find disagreeable about him like is only his lack of preparedness but I think he's a very disciplined guy I just don't think he prepared well enough about foreign policy and about a lot of other issues and I also think the pressure of the national media and the spotlight of that uniquely yeah the gacha journalism something unique that he he had not experienced before so think how depressing that is with everything going on here and for as much as you and I are in this thing like in it in in a public way that we're we both maybe will begrudgingly the day before the election kind of be like ah we're going to vote for the guy that definitely can't win I mean think about the that you've just said about Hillary that is seriously damning really damning now look Sam Harris

77:24who's one of my heroes who I know you've had on a zillion times and I've had him on and he did the best cell job he could on Hillary he's he's supporting her and I think but he's not really well it's mostly Trump's he did a whole article about the the wor you know the two the best of two evils I mean not a whole article a whole podcast about it right and I think um he makes some good points about that he he absolutely does and and look I hold him as high as I can hold another another person um but I think that the Maybe the best way this could go down is that if you don't want the if you're really afraid of what could happen with Trump that you that it's just like the rules have just changed forever and that just doesn't sound right that Trump would be president of the United States this reality TV star if you're really really afraid of that I think the best argument

78:10for Clinton then would be that get her in the system basically keeps chugging along and then good liberals and decent conservatives and Libertarians and the people that really aren't on the fringes that are dragging everybody apart you know I mean like the real regressive left people and the real allright people but everyone else kind of comes together and says we are going to change things over the next couple years and I this I'm giving you real like kind of pie in the sky like you know let's try to spin this positively stuff like ABC after school special yeah like that's really what I'm giving you right now because I got nothing left with one day to go in this thing but but that's what I would say is that it's become obvious to me over the course of this the average conservative who I may disagree with on taxes or abortion or whatever they're not my enemy they're not as a liberal

78:55they're not my enemy and we can find we have to find room to be okay with other people this all this whole election is just a result of not being okay of demonizing everybody to the point that they're evil and then what did we end up with we got this so the best argument for Hillary I think is let her have four years the whole thing's going to be Scandal ridden no matter what she's think this is about not letting people just do their own thing like that's that's a big part of what this is what do you mean when you say explain what you just said about the whole reason why we're in this we're we're in this position because we've got because over the last however long because of cable news because of Twitter because of all of that all everyone caters their news to themselves and then demonizes everybody else so everyone on the right will tell you that they're all

79:41libtard leftist socialist Marxist blah blah blah and everyone on the left will tell you that they're all racist white supremacist Nazis and it's like neither one of those things are true and and there could be you know it's like when uh people argue about abortion and it's like everyone on the left will say that the people on the right they're against abortion they hate women and people on the right will say that people on the left are for abortion so they hate babies and guess what it's not really true either one of those you got to realize that we there's much more in common that we all have I know you know this like obviously like that's not rocket science and we have to realize that people can have different political opinions and that you can still find some room there is some place Democrats and Republicans used to work together yeah well Civ

80:25and just common the common Bond of being American and being so incredibly fortunate to be born on this awesome patch of dirt I mean that's that's really what we are we're the lottery winners when it comes to the world and a lot of people disagree you Canada is better you know there's a lot of people but you know they're we just ignore them they're nice folks hey that's where I would live I didn't live here I'd live in Canada or Australia those are my two spots well Australia I've had a couple Australians on plac is the I love Australia I love people I love the people over there it's such a great place yeah Melbourne is fantastic Sydney is awesome it's just I I enjoy it they have their problems too but yeah I had uh Rita panahan who's a writer for the herald son in Australia she's born in Iran moved to uh Australia now she's basically uh she's on the right in that

81:15she's you know she would be considered a republican here and she's actually fighting against immigration the way they're doing it there because she realized how good that country is she says Australia is the most most tolerant Nation on Earth and we're now uh unfurling that tolerance by allowing everybody in even if even if they don't believe the things we believe and even if they don't want to integrate and assimilate properly and all that stuff well they're very hard on illegal immigrants they take illegal immigrants they put them on a boat and they ship them to a Island yeah which is happening all over the place and they're sinking boats I mean there are videos of boats trying to get to Greece and they're just literally sinking right there yeah um but but Australia Canada yeah there's some other places that are that are pretty good but the fight against people who disagree and the

81:58demonization I completely agree with you on I think that we have a real problem with teams we have a really real tribal mentality when it's a team of the right or a team of the left or even the team of The Independents I've been seeing so many people and I've been so disappointed with so many people ignoring all the things that Clinton has done and using that hashtag I'm with her especially my friends that are women that are really excited about having the first women president I'm like this one this this is the one you want like this is this is like if you wanted to have the first woman president like wouldn't you want to have a woman who was like look Obama when he ran for president was a perfect candidate in a lot of ways and and a perfect response to George Bush I mean take away all the things that he didn't do that he had offered in his whole hope and change campaign and

82:48there's so much that he went against especially really disturbing stuff like The Whistleblower thing like he he was offer bring support for whistleblowers and saying that if people were doing illegal activity and they exposed that they would be protected which has been absolutely not the case yeah that's to me is like super disturbing and I think as many people said he's going to be on the wrong side of history when it comes to that stuff but I don't know how much control or power they really have I don't know I don't know what kind of influences the president really has in that position but my point is he was a great candidate Hillary Clinton is not a great candidate she's just not she's a scary person in a lot of ways all this that she's been saying about Russia being a part of the attack and the hacks on her email server and the DNC that's all well think it's been proven

83:33yeah but she keeps saying that she she's offered up the fact that she would respond militarily militarily against Russia for her writing a bunch of up in emails and getting caught for it right so the way you know that it's actual and you're not just you know giving hyperbole there is that if they were doing the things that now the Hillary campaign is claiming and they do it very care they're very careful with their words where they never flat out condemn them for you know it's but it has to be coming from the Russians and it's all it's all you know it's a magic trick to keep you off the topics of the emails which is really the stuff we should be talking about but you the way you know it's really not real is that if it was real let's say there was real evidence the CIA or the FBI or NSA or whatever had real evidence that Russia was genuinely rigging our elections

84:20either with Trump or without Trump or whatever it that would truly be an act of War at this point that would be an act of war and Obama would have to be talking about it endlessly because not only that like the term rigging the elections and interfering with the when you say Russia do you mean a guy in Russia right like cuz that's like a guy in America could have hacked into that right do you mean Putin directly the government or do you mean Russian hackers a Russian citizen a person who has no connection whatsoever to the Russian governor who may have gotten your yeah so what about this have you thought about this so all this stuff comes out wikileak let's go on the assumption that Hillary's going to win tomorrow okay what if and you know I I say this with uh I always quote Carl Sean on this one which is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

85:05but what if Wikileaks or the Russian government or whoever this is right what if they're saving the real until she's president wouldn't they release it today no not if you really wanted to Blackmail the president of the United States blackmail yeah if they wanted a black like they want money or something or they want some whatas that and then either start leaking more cuz I suspect they've got plenty more you continually leak more to hamper her or you actually then have some over her like what if there's some real you know she was she facilitated you know something worse in Libya or you know like some other thing and then they they could potentially have some on her which then could actually lead to a war with Russia again I'm just that f I fully throw the the Carl Sean caveat out there when I say that but you have to think like they have a political motive

86:01they're not they're not a political organization clearly they want to damage Hillary so I think there's something there you're giving me the skeptical eye which is which is great yeah I think that's a lot of speculation I think I think if they had anything big it would have already been out I mean everybody got a couple hours left don't buy it I think they would have released it yesterday or well maybe not on Sunday nobody's paying attention but I just think that there's no way they would have waited this long like the FBI saying that they're going to reopen the investigation was one of the most damaging things and that came from the investigation of Anthony Weiner it had nothing to do with Wikileaks yeah it came from just them looking into this other creep and finding out that he's sending his dick piics to some 15-year-old girl or whatever the he was doing yeah I just don't think

86:45there's anything there I think what we've seen we've already seen so you think we have it we really have I think the most damaging thing in my opinion was colen Powell's impression of her that was that was horrific because Coen Powell is such a respected person you very rarely hear anything negative about him and he you know essentially said that she's a I mean or not not a an intelligent person who's hubris up everything which is you know a way of being a yeah and that you know heill the thing about Bill out bimbos was hilarious you know and he's still is and then when Donald Trump brought those women that he you know he's allegedly sexually assaulted and he brought them and even raped yeah allegedly brought them to the debate and had them sit there there's a photo of a bill looking over at those women have you ever seen it I've seen it what in the holy was on his mind when he

87:36took when the impression you know that he's giving while he's looking over at those women like that so doesn't that go to why people are voting for Trump if you don't so one of my best friends since I'm four years old does not care about politics at all could not care less I don't even know that he could name the vice president he has been all in on Trump I've never talked more politics with him ever in our entire life my best friend he's completely apolitical he's not big on the government in general he doesn't care if you he doesn't care what you do don't hurt him that's it Live and Let Live that's his whole I don't think he's ever voted I mean he's a great guy but that he just has nothing to do with politics he's been all about Trump because his whole thing is the system is so gross we all know it and now the GU is exposing it and he's willing to take

88:20that risk of what that might mean isn't that sort of what Scott Adams is say say as well and yeah that that's basically the thrust of it that people are just saying we all knew it was up now someone's showing it to you and you're but you don't like how he behaves you don't like how he talks about you don't like that he says mean things to Rosie all all truly gross things I'm not defending any of those things but like when someone's actually pulling the curtain showing you the wizard and now the Wizard's a little weirder than you like and they go forget that you know like let's pull the curtain back and get another curtain and you know and that's what they were all afraid of they're afraid of this is their chance and if they blow it it'll never that the machine will just swallow everybody up I don't think the machine swallowing I think what we're seeing is the

89:03inevitable demise of a system that's wholly incompatible with the internet yeah I think I love that that that's what's happening that's what's happening the system cannot exist in a a world where I think all communication within the next 20 years is going to be transparent your emails to Jamie you know your tweets to your mom whatever the you're doing I think it's all going to be transparent I don't think I think what the internet is providing and what modern um communication is providing is almost instantaneous access to data and to the way people feel and express themselves and what we were talking about earlier these little pops of popcorn the that they're going to boil up to a gigantic it's G to technolog is not going to stop here it's not like what we can do now is as much as we're going to be able to do in the future no it's going to continue to progress and it's

89:58going to get to a point where there's not going to be deception is going to be impossible so that's what it is that's what it is cable news is deceiving everyone we know they're deceiving everyone they're sleeping with the people they're supposed to be taking care of all you know supposed to be watching sorry and now we're exposing it so think about just what we've done here whether if we got one decent point in the in the however long we've been sitting here if we got one thing out 15 years ago you could not do this you could not have two people fully filtered for this amount of time doing what we're doing so if we manage one cogent point in this whole thing that's more than you could have got out 15 years ago well it's definitely more than you're ever going to see on networks because networks have an obligation and they have an agenda and I was going back and

90:41forth and I tweeted about this that I was going back and forth between Fox News and CNN one night I just sat in front of the TV my wife and kids were out and so I was just sitting in front of the TV Stone as flipping through the channels going back and forth between CNN and fox and I was godamn bewildered I was like I'm watching two different worlds you're on two different planets it's like there's two different parallel universes and a one parallel universe Hillary Clinton is you know the savior of the world on the other one she's a monster and Bill Clinton's a rapist and a sexual predator and these women are a bunch of bimbos who just came out against Donald Trump and they're all puppets and Gloria all reds in on it all this craziness and I'm like what what what would a person think if they had this is their first exposure to human beings if an alien came here from

91:26another planet and their first exposure to human beings was looking at this process to decide who controls the button that that has all the nuclear weapons of the world pointed at various countries I mean this is insanity and this is an insane way to communicate so how do how do we then as as the the the NEOS of this of this Matrix right how do we then keep emboldening I mean I guess we just have to keep there's an inevitable process going on and it's it's going to it's going to it's going to overwhelm what we consider to be normal communication it's going to overwhelm that and right now I think we're we're at a very early stage of this technological progression and I think we're looking at in terms of the internet and devices and phones and laptops and but I think new technology is going to emerge that's going to for look no one would have ever thought that you would have people

92:26addicted to a phone yeah just 20 years ago no one would have ever even considered that the idea of being addicted to a phone that you would go to a restaurant and 80% of the people would just be on their phone and no one likes it when you bring it up if you say to them hey man want to get off your phone like dude I got important emails coming through everybody gets mad it's like you know you're like saying Hey do you really need that drink I want that drink it's the same goddamn feeling people are responding to an addiction but this is just step one man this is step one of an ultimate complete invasiveness there's going to be some new technology whether it's a neural implant or whether there's some other device that we're going to wear but there's going to be something that connects us far more intimately with each other than what we're experiencing now which is pretty goddamn intimate

93:13yeah wouldn't it be nice I I had uh guy who's running for the transhumanist party this oh have you had on had him on yeah so that's what we T I mean we spent as I'm sure you did we spent the basically talking about all that that think about it we're not talking about any this look it's not that this shit's happening tomorrow but instead of talking about grabbing and emails we should be talking about some of these things some of these actual things that are going to shape our lives and we don't talk about any of this stuff and then the just happens and then we instead of talking about it and preparing ourselves we react but we need to do a little legwork so that when this stuff comes whatever it is we have to be ready for it and we don't so one day the robots will be here and we're going to be bowing down to him because we didn't do the leg work to go ah you know what

93:57they were going to turn on us we should have uh a little something on well I don't necessarily know if the robots are going to turn on us like that's the big concern that a lot of people have Stephen Hawking Elon Musk the artificial intelligence I think before then we're going to integrate I mean I think before virtual reality you're going to have augmented reality and I think that augmented human beings human beings that are augmented with technology that's really going to be what's going to separate us from what we are now which is essentially the monkey holding the device I think the device is going to be in the monkey yeah well look Zan's got the chip in him and it can open his garage door he's he was talking about a guy you know he knows a guy that wants to chop his arm off to get the bionic arm to to be able you know and get Wi-Fi in your arm and W yeah and then somebody

94:39hacks in your the Russians are going to hack his arm he's gonna jerk his own dick off say you know what weener is going to do with his dick it's they robotic oh boy yeah you think we're in now I think weener should go into standup I've been saying that for years he's a really good public speaker he's obviously up he's got the traits you know he's got everything going on that would get him in stand up I think he's probably pretty funny he looks probably yeah he looks funny he got a great face for it yeah went to the wrong line of business politics are essentially show business for ugly people guess what so's comedy you know comedy you know there's been some really not very good-look people that have done a wonderful job of uh telling jokes and becoming famous I think we look pretty good relative Rel yeah yeah I mean I haven't even doing stand up much in the

95:21last couple years but I think relatively speaking we got to be on the higher end of relatively speaking TSH is probably number one that handsome bastard bastard beautiful hair beautiful man there's a few of them like that Sebastian he's a good-looking goddamn guy too there's there's quite a few but now more so than ever in the past what happened to the fat slovenly comedian I was that's why I was I was was so no but I'm talking the Embraces it I'm talking louers yeah he just I was happy that he won that Rie May yeah that he won the Ralphie May right yeah Ralphie May takes it to the whole new Lev yeah he's like the Bruce Lee of fat stand up well there you go yeah that's not something you wouldn't say in front of him I would he would too he's fat he knows what he is yeah it's not the worst thing in the world um maybe well whatever I just I I honestly believe

96:12that we're at a Tipping Point in uh in human civilization and I think that what this election is exposing is how ridiculous our process is that our process was created by people who used to write with feathers you know I mean it really was it was created by people who rode horses to get around and you know they needed a representative government because there was no way you're going to be able to talk to someone in Missouri it would take forever and so they needed someone to talk to those people and then get the word back to Washington we don't need that anymore it's an archaic system and that archaic system is in many ways being exposed I made a tweet recently or an Instagram post about this guy that was going over the electoral map like a storm was coming and he was like pointing at all the states and I was like this guy's like talking about storms talking about like he's doing a

96:55forecast like this is it's so bizarre what we're seeing now well you're you're so right I mean just on the technology front and how we vote it's like every state has two senators and the reason they did it back then was because they wanted to to make sure that the states like Montana that have nobody living there had some sort of representation so they needed to make sure that the train with the president campaigning would actually make it there or the horse and buggy or whatever it was and it's like now it's all changed so everything being equal even though I'm not for changing a lot of the the I I certainly wouldn't be for changing the Constitution but like the fact that Montana has two senators and California has two senators California has like that what is it like the 10th biggest economy in the world right something like that so it's like that's not right you know technology has

97:37changed so it's not necessary anymore the people in Montana can hear all the same that the people in California have so there are things that are happening now that the system because it's so ingrained and because the people that control it and the money and I don't even think that's a conspiracy I think that's just the way work it's just become ingrained you know what we love about the Constitution has essentially already been violated the you know by the Patriot Act Patriot Act 2 the ndaa there's a lot of weird that's already in place that kind of takes away from the things that the founding fathers had set up to make sure that tyranny was never embraced that we we we we have these things that we established a long time ago that we think of when we think of what the United States is freedom of the freedom of speech um you you have a right to a fair trial well you don't anymore with

98:29the Patriot Act and with indefinite detention that was provided by the ndaa they could kind of put you in jail for whatever they decide they put you in jail because you represent a threat or that you are on the terrorist watch list or whatever and if they decide that you're a threat to America you you really don't have the right to a trial they can just lock you up I mean look at what the they did to Chelsea Manning yeah I mean to this day she just tried to commit suicide again yeah this this whole I mean that to me disturbs me almost as much as anything the way Julian Assange is like trapped in a house in London and can't leave he's in an embassy so what does that tell you then about the progressives that were all about this right they were all about Chelsea Manning they were all about getting all the information when it was all Breaking I was completely

99:14with them it's I'm all you know like look I believe that government should be transparent but there is some are you with me on this that some has to go down that we can't know about absolutely yeah like that's I I just think it's when people want everything to be fully transparent it's like but the problem is who gets to keep those secrets and why the regular folks why does a regular person get to keep those Secrets over the American people well I don't know who I don't know what the right answer to that is other than there has to be you can't have everyone walking around with all the knowledge that's the problem and I think someday that's going to be inevitable that's what I'm saying about technology that eventually it'll just unfurl the whole thing the bottleneck is there and I also think the bottleneck is going to occur with money CU I think money

99:57right now is really just numbers I mean money isn't backed by gold anymore it's just numbers it's just numbers on well so that means it's data so that means it's information and information it's going in the direction that information is eventually going to be completely transparent you're going to be able to share information back and forth I don't know if we're going to be able to hold on to this concept of money I think the concept of money that we have in our it's connected to civilization and that in itself is only a few thousand years old I mean if you look at the invention of money before that it was sort of like trading in goods and services or whatever it was you're going back what 20,000 years 30,000 years human beings have been around for a long time culture has been around for a long time I thought like 10,000 years 2000 but human beings in this current state are

100:48incredibly recent where we're not even dealing with gold anymore now we're just dealing with numbers I think the next step is that you can't keep track of that anymore the next step is it's going to be a resource-based economy meaning that people are just going to be sharing and trading and resources and we're going to have to figure out some way to quantify those resources and quantify your value and I don't think it's going to be the way it is now where you have these hedge fund managers and these Bernie made off that are just essentially moving numbers around and making ungodly sums of money I mean if you look at the Hamptons a lot of those people that have these castles out there and then in the castles in Connecticut you have these people that have just figured out a way to move numbers around that's all they're doing they're playing tricks with the system basically yes they're

101:35extracting money from a broken system well that's why I think that you know even when people come after Trump on the money stuff you know the whole thing with the $918 million and the write off and all that now look we don't know we haven't seen his taxes he made it the elections tomorrow he made it without showing how the did he do that he because again it's just trolling the system but did you remember when when Howard Stern was running for governor and they were forcing him to reveal his taxes and he went you I'm out oh is that was that what happened to get him to drop basically Howard's A very wise guy so I would I would imagine that he knew that was going to happen he didn't really want to be Governor anyway yeah but when he was running for governor that was the that was a hurdle that they told him he had to expose his taxes to to Howard's credit I love love love

102:16Howard um you know did you see a couple weeks ago they were people were asking him to release all the Trump interviews from all the years from the 20 years and he said no I'm not going to do it because when people came and come to my studio it's we're playing a game sort of we're talking about women we're and and it would add nothing to this and and Donald Trump was a good sport about it so for me to betray that it would be betraying my own self I thought it was a pretty great principled statement by him that is that is great it's also taking it out of context context of being on the Stern Show didn't they did use some of the stuff that he said about supporting the war so I think else had that video but I guess there's apparently archive full of stuff that I guess he owns or oh okay yeah well I mean there's a there's a time and a place for things but there's also you

103:05have to think that this guy was not running for president back when he was saying those things he was just being a silly man on a silly show where it's all about humor and you know being a good sport and playing a role as Howard put it maybe you're paraphrasing him but I think that's that's pretty accurate yeah he was playing the game I thought that was a you look he would have had an opportunity to get him in the mix again you know you know more publicity for him and he said no that's not that's not what the purpose of what I've built here for the last 40 years is and I'm not going to throw in on this garbage so I thought it was pretty good well you know I'm sure he probably realizes that if he ever decided to run for government in any form now the same thing would be used against him but what does that say about theate and that's not him you know who who he is is when you ask him what

103:52are your well opinions on things right now and then you know whoa in 1989 you said you know that this person's a monkey and you know but think how dangerous that is so from the from the limited amount that that I know you I you seem to me to be an extremely principled person you have a code that you live by you you care about honesty and and being forthright and and all of that stuff right think of all the things that you've said here about doing drugs or sex or blah blah blah someone like you would never want to run for president ever could you even possibly fathom running for president I wouldn't want the job but if I did if I did run I don't I don't want to but if I did they would definitely use all that stuff against that's why context is so incredibly important and this is also an incredibly new thing with human beings being able to extract little sound bites

104:42from things that you said and whether it's a tweet from Justine Sako or whatever the it is and then say this defines you this moment this one moment defines you this one moment where someone cuts you off and you go you and you lay on your horn this is Dave Reuben do you want Dave reuin running your country what if that was your mom that cut off Dave Rubin what if that woman was headed to the hospital what if her baby was dying in the back seat and Dave Rubin called her a I mean you know that's that's the world voice that was very good thank you I'm trying to I'm just throwing a little little um whatever yeah yeah I just think that but that's the problem that's the problem that you can't think I mean even I'm not all I'm doing right now is saying what I think as it comes out of my brain right I'm not freaking me out it's wild but it's all freaking me out

105:29but that's all we're doing here but anyone anyone that doesn't like us or wanted to discredit us or anything and you know not to bring it back to Sam again but you know the types of things that the that people with really awful intentions have done with misquoting him and all that stuff and that thing needs to be destroyed that outrage monster that will find one thing that you did or said once to then destroy every other piece of goodness that you've put out there must end and that that is a big piece of what's Happening here too I also think discourse in particular like discourse against Sam is is what a lot of people are doing they're playing a game and Sam has a high profile and they're using their voice to attack that high profile to make a move on the castle you know it's like they're moving chess pieces around and they're using strategy and they're saying well he said

106:14this about Islam you know and do you understand how many billions of people are peaceful Muslims and how offensive this is to say that they you know and that that's what what they're doing they're they're taking these positions and they're also taking these positions in a weird way because there's something about writing a Blog it's a very cowardly thing when you're attacking someone because they don't respond they they just I mean you want someone to respond back in a blog you're requiring an incredible amount of their time to sit there and formulate another blog but they you know that that it's a one-way dialogue like someone writes an attack blog on Dave Ruben yeah they that's a very cowardly thing because what they're doing is they're sort of forcing you to respond by establishing a false narrative or by portraying you in an unfavorable light by taking things out

107:01of context and using them and I've had do people do it against me and it's it's almost it's funny when you you read it you're like wow this is weird yeah or that someone SP spent so much thought on extrapolating something that you said that you didn't either mean or it's like wow you really went deep on my psyche in a way that had nothing to do it so you know this guy Mike cernovich by any chance yes okay have you had him on no I have not I'm going to smoke some pot right yeah smoke some pot this is all freaking me out I'm getting freaked out for Real uh I can't smoke the sativa sorry about um so so Mike cernovich I've had on my show he's he's big within the the he's the pro Trump guy and uh I'll try to make this really deep so that you really appreciate it dude um anyway I I from having him on I got more than I've than anyone else that I've had on because you had him on because I had on

107:49because he was sort of a because he's thought of as part of the alt-right he apparently he had tweeted like three years before I had him on the show I didn't even know who he was until about two weeks before I had him on but about three years before that he had tweeted something that sounded like he was a rape apologist but it was either a bad joke or it was a little unclear or worded clumsily or whatever remember what it was I we it can we can probably find it pretty quick but I don't I don't remember exactly what it was but then suddenly I got all these people saying you see Ruben had a rape apologist on he must hate women or something you know something to that effect and it's like what you guys are doing is just you're picking okay so should I let you pick who I talk to you know and that's like you should have the guy on you'll get a certain amount of hate for it but you'll

108:31have a really interesting conversation with but you haven't you had people that you've communicated with that you thought were one way and as you got to know them better and better you found out some stuff they had said and you went whoa hold on there's some things that people say that is just absolutely inarguable you can't you can't support it you know there's there's certain things that people have said that's inexcusable right of course and you you might come across those too so I could see the point of taking some things and maybe they might be even out of context and using that to sort of like say at the very least consider this sure but as an as an interviewer you're not you're not you or I are not held to if we had to basically uh vet every person that we ever sat down with for every thought that they had three years ago on Twitter we would be have a pretty

109:22life well I've had some pretty offensive people on for sure I've gotten a lot of for the Milo interviews i' I've gotten a lot of for some other people that I've had so Milo I really like Milo I've had him over for dinner I've gone out with him I think he's a good guy he's he says that I would not say but it's working that's why we're talking about him much like Trump trump has done exactly and then when they ban Milo what do you do you make him stronger this dri effect you make him stronger I I spoke I did a speech at uh at UCLA with Milo just a little back and forth Chat thing they had all of these kids outs first off there were hundreds of kids trying to get in but then there was this loud 200 kids trying literally blocking people so they're not against walls they don't you know they don't like Trump's wall but they're okay with blocking a wall for other people to

110:04exercise their free speech and they're dumping garbage cans and spitting on cops getting in cops faces with cameras like just begging them to just flip in a second anyway we have this great chat um it was really funny actually at one point this girl in the audience she just bust about halfway through starts screaming she got you know people weren't didn't know she was a protester she gets in she starts screaming I hate you I hate you blah blah so I stopped and I said I bet you actually we were going to do a Q&A at the end but I bet you right now if you ask Milo one question that you really have burning or make one point I bet you he'll respond to you so I stop the show ready for this so I said do you have one point and the girl just goes I hate you and it was like well she's a kid but that's how stupid these people are are they stupid or are they just kids like when you're

110:51talking about these kids that are protesting and stopping people from going into lectures or some of these crazy feminists that have uh you know the scene from the University of Toronto very famous thing where they had this guy they completely misrepresented his opinions on things and they had painted this guy out to be anti-female and anti-woman in as some sort of a men's rights thing which is a very bizarre thing like you have to deny that men's rights are applicable like they can't right if you can't be a feminist and also recognize men's rights it's it's very very bizarre that's there's a thing going on where it's as much as trying to get back at the perceived winners of the world when you feel like you've been a loser of the world that's where I think White Privilege is coming from and a lot of this stuff not to deny that white people have it easier than black people

111:39in terms of dealing with racism but it doesn't mean that those white people are racist there's a lot of white people that are your allies like the the real problem is the racist themselves not people who aren't victim of the racist it's like saying that these people are lucky yeah for sure but painting it in this some sort of a way like where these privileged people they're for for allowing this privilege to even take place no the problem is always singular the problem is racism itself the racist themselves are the problem not the people who aren't victim of it it's the individual not the collective and this is what the left is doing that is literally destroying culture and Destroy I think it's a wave man I think it's a wave and I think it's going to pull back just like waves always do I think there's Cycles to things I mean I think that's why we went from the 60s to the

112:2670s and the 70s to the ' 80s I mean I think this is what I mean it also response to the condemnation of psychedelic drugs and the sweeping schedule one act that passed in 1970 which was directly attributable to Richard Nixon realizing that a lot of what was going on a lot of the people that coming after him were part of the Psychedelic movement all these Republicans started realizing like we have to stop this this psychedelic movement will destroy our culture you go from this Goldwater Republican era all of a sudden you're dealing with Freaks and hippies and Jimmy Hendrick and Janice Joplin they're like stop the fire and they just threw as much water on as they could they locked a bunch of people in jail and they created laws that made marijuana in particular and all these other drugs they demonized them so that they could go after the Civil Rights Movement the people that

113:12were in charge of it they got them for drugs and so they would go after all these different anti-war protest movements they would go after them for drugs too and that schedule run classification of these things that weren't dangerous or deadly or killing anyone was directly attributable to a strategy where they were going after people that opposed the Vietnam War going after people that opposed the administration clearly lying to them about all sorts of things and that was before they even knew that the Gulf of tonan was a false flag the original thing that got us into Vietnam so there's so many there's so much evidence that you that this this way that people behave when they suppress things that it has there's a direct response first of all I mean if you attack someone they're wounded they're damaged and then they rise up and they go after that attack

114:01and that's what you're seeing with the alt-right and I don't know if they're I don't agree with them on a lot of things they stand for but I recognize it almost as a if I I'm not objective right I'm a person I'm a human being like all of us I have my own but if I was outside of it trying to look at it objectively I'm like oh this thing goes like this and then it goes like that then it goes like it's like a swing it's like a pendulum it's like a yin and a Yang it comes in and it comes out yeah and I think one of the things that's happening with this alt-right movement and these people that are really super conservative and like build that wall build that wall what you're dealing with is a response to what they perceive to be too much openness from the Obama Administration this look Obamacare I don't know enough about it I don't I don't know enough about it

114:47but I have friends that are doctors who hate it yeah I got a friend and doctor in Texas and they spit when they talk to you and they get red in the face and then they they have to stand back and take a drink I mean I know people that lost their practice I know a chiropractor who lost his practice because of it so I think there's there's a lot of people that are upset at anyone who's the president anyone who's the president if you don't get shot I mean this is a joke that I had from my last special who do we like Kennedy and Lincoln that's what we like if you didn't get shot in the head we like you sell out what did you do I think that that is just a natural reaction we always have and I think that's why we go left right left right I don't think it's a coincidence that we go right from George Bush to Bill Clinton to George W bush I don't think that's a coincidence I mean I think

115:38that's a very clear response where the com the government's like well now we're this and the people are like well that doesn't work either let's try this and then they swing back and forth well then what do you make of what's happening now that hawkish she's very hawkish so you think actually is a swing back right I think there's two factors here there's the woman factor which is gigantic cuz there's a lot of women that vote and a lot of men are fuckups right they're they're probably going to vote I would imagine that women outvote men I really think they probably do I don't I'm just totally guessing let's find out love to know members on that but I would say that there's a slight Advantage I would say that maybe it'd be like 4654 for women in favor of women that more women vote but I think that you're you what you have also is there's no good choice here so this is a

116:26very unique situation you have this really strong anti-woman feeling that a lot of these gals get from Donald Trump especially now right there's that there's the the again and that conversation that he had on that bus I've heard way worse from some people that I love and cherish very deeply and they're trying to be funny and they're saying up things that are totally ridiculously gross and a lot of them are saying it because it's just you and me and you and me and we'll just talk some Yeah by way words are not actions and that's what people need to understand if he did there you go women voted higher rates than men that might help Clinton in November see what the number is yeah there you go say it doesn't say has different it has different numbers here for each state oh okay this is not an overall yeah not here so the idea though that words are in action so I'm not defending the grab

117:15by the and blah blah and he was sort of saying that he had done it in the past so if if there had been evidence that he had done those actions actually ass there's no evidence unless you know women's vagina is not made out of Play-Doh it's not like fingerprints that are permanent forever you know so that's fully legit but you can't prosecute him for just saying it that's my point is that words he said some that was gross right might not have been true yeah that's my point it might not have been true so words and actions are two different things now maybe you can't prove those things cuz yeah they're not made out of PlayDoh but that's still until it's provable you can't you can get outraged by it see I see point the problem is that just relying completely on the burden of evidence being like physical proof you're dealing with an act of people touching each other's

118:01bodies and it's just there's not a whole lot of proof when it comes to that so I agree with that but then what do you do where where does that put us because we know that some people when they when they give a uh a rape allegation you know we know that there's going to be a lot of people that are telling you the absolute truth as they remember it there's also going to be crazy people that make things up there's going to be some Spectrum in between those two things where you're going to have people that exaggerate situations and I'm sure you've had any conversations that you've had with people that maybe you've had a disagreement and they go to someone else and they completely reframe the disagreement like you're a piece of it's a common thing that people do we love to do it and we love to do it for all kinds of things and I've been guilty of it and I'm sure you have and

118:42everybody listening to this thing I I'm sure as we are learning the very complicated game of communication with human beings and how much is involved in it the ego and personal conflicts and where you are in your life and your own stresses and frustrations and whatever the is going on whatever is going on in this big struggle that we're all involved in right there's not always a very clear perception of how events went down yeah so so you have to take that into consideration you also have to take into consideration the fact they might be telling the truth we do not know so it's not that there's no evidence because there's people that are talking it's just it's nothing you can put on a scale and we don't know how to read mind yet and the problem is if you read mindes man right I've had some memories of things then I went back and looked at them again like a video of

119:29something I'm like wow I didn't even know I went to there oh like we just went over that the other day I was talking about Tommy Hearns versus Marvin Haggler which like one of my all-time favorite fights I would have swore it was a second round knockout no they went to a third round Haggin knocked them out in the third round I'm like how the did in my mind I would have told you I'll bet you $1,000 it was the second round and I was wrong I remembered it I remembered it wrong there was moment moments in the fight where the fight's playing out and this is something that doesn't have any attachment to me in my life obviously I'm not like saying that someone's going to sometimes you remember their own memory I'm not especially someone who's involved in some sort of a violent crime where they're the victim you know I don't know because I think it's got to be

120:09absolutely horrific and it's entirely possible that some people can go through an assault or a crime like that and remember everything and then there's other people that cannot there's people that even black out horrible things because the memory is so disturbing to them that they have to they they block them out especially molestations a lot of people go through that later in life when they realize like what they were trying to suppress your brain is like literally trying to save you from these memories cuz they're too painful so what it does is it buries them I don't know how it works I don't understand it but this real and then people Suddenly at 40 they go wait a minute it's a proven effect it's a proven effect so there's all these things that we need to take into consideration I think there's also the very real cultural benefit of having our first woman president I think culturally

120:56what I I just don't think that she's a good representative in terms of like her need for financial compensation for speeches and the Goldman Sachs connection and the connection to the Saudis I also don't have a clue as to what it's like to deal with foreign policy and foreign leaders and I don't know I don't know if that's even avoidable but that's the thing it's like you know people say well the the she's in bed with the Saudis are saying well guess what the Saudis whether we like it or or not who do horrific things and Export all kinds of wahhabism and real extremism and are bombing the out of Yemen and with our weapons and all kinds of stuff well she also took a million dollars from Qatar Qatar right now is using slave labor to build their World Cup stadium which they're may not even get the World Cup so it's like every why did they give her a million

121:42dollars it's for something you know what I mean it's not for nothing you don't give a million dollars for no reason so but that again goes to like we're seeing how all this is made right now and the simple fact is if you're upset that she has a close relationship with the Saudis then you got to hate Obama for it too where I think a lot of these people are letting that slide I'm I'm not even making a judgment call on it as much to say as this is there are things that are going on at extremely high levels for governments and that we just have to try to decipher some truth to it because we're not going to get it other way Saudi Arabia women can't drive they can barely go out without men they are stuck in as Bill Mar says beekeeper costumes in the burkas right I mean all of these things well how could they possibly be Ally if we're for women if Barack Obama

122:24is for women if Hillary Clinton is for women how is Saudi Arabia one of our most stable allies that we give a ton of money to if if that's what it is the only thing that I would take into consideration is that if I was trying to figure this out on as an outsider I would see there's got to be some benefit to keeping people like that connected to you and obligated to communicate with you and and your friend but not just oil also establishing a non combative relationship with a very very wealthy Middle East country that there more could be done with honey than with vinegar you know that this idea of being connected with those people there might be some sort of a benefit because they're so alien to us and they're so dominant in their control over their environment like you look at these dictators in this foreign these foreign countries that we supported for so many

123:16years and you can make the argument that they're horrible absolutely terrible people that we should have nothing to do with you could also make the argument that that part of the world is so up that you have to somehow or another maintain some sort of friendly connection to the people that are in power yeah and then that might be the best way to keep everybody safe while we figure out a strategy how to deal with religious fundamentalist crazy people that literally have trillions of dollars at their disposal to do anything they want from the Saudis by the way yes and not just from the Saudis I mean there's a gigantic chunk of the Middle East that has so much money it's incomprehensible MH and not everyone just a few people oligarchs monarchs and these people that have look in Abu Dhabi they make it rain every week they make it rain literally they literally seed

124:02the sky they do cloud seeding and they make it rain like it's the desert and they use their money to make it rain like not a strip club and they're not using ones that wasn't hyperbole it was actually real well think about Egypt is the best example of what you're talking about because Egypt for 30 years had Mubarak this was a guy he was a military guy backed by the United States States horrible on on uh human rights and all that other stuff but he kept control of the country basically kept their borders kept peace with Israel basically kept things under control I was in Egypt in 97 and it was pretty disgusting actually even going to the pyramids it was the the pollution was terrible it was the people weren't friendly like I would love to go back I I have a friend there now who I who's a YouTuber this guy Joe who will show his face he's an atheist and a freeth thinker um if could ever

124:51get him to the United States you should have me in here the guy's really is great and he does that like freely and openly in Egypt sometimes he disappears for months and then has hide he doesn't really publicly say exactly what he's doing but but I when I had him on the show I said to him you know if you want to wear a Spider-Man mask you don't have to show your face you know you do whatever you want and and he said no I want to show my face so anyway they had Mubarak for 30 years he kept the Muslim Brotherhood they were illegal under the time then they have the terer square uh Revolution what happens they we Depot we partly they depose of Mubarak they get the Muslim Brotherhood through democracy and then a year later they realize these guys are way worse so what they got from democracy was way worse so then what happens the military then steps in and

125:35then has a coup overthrows the democracy and now they have a military leader again United States the entire time supported all of that so it's like this is the problem with democracy and we know this from Iraq too it's like you can give democracy but if the institutions aren't there ready to support it you could get a lot of bad people then and then you know it just the it's over like what the hell's going on you mentioned Benghazi before we got rid of Gaddafi who is obviously a bad dude do you have any idea what kind of government there is in Libya right now nobody knows it's a scary State yeah that's a state of chaos right so it was a state before you aware of uh Amber Lion and uh Amber Lion when she was working for CNN and she did a piece on bin notice I said bin like an American not bah bahin um thank you for dumbing that down for me it's not that I just don't want

126:27to be pretentious I'm born New Jersey like when Obama says Pakistan Pakistan yeah or Latinos Latinos well now you have to say Latin X so that you're not it's not Latinos that implies men or Latinas implies women now you say Latin X cuz if you're a idiot why don't we call ourselves humex instead of humans it's coming I like it I'm a humex that sounds dope yeah what kind of species are they're humex yeah male male and female humex if you say human right it's so rude it's rude why not hum woo man man W history what about her story I mean come on Joe yeah man what about her story so Amber liance speak of her stories she does this um investigative piece on Bahrain and uh CNN completely turns it into like a a vacation and tourism commercial they cut out all the bad stuff Ed it and uh I don't remember if she Jamie do you remember if she got fired or if she went up resigning do you remember

127:30anyway um that sounds like a resigning if she was it was it was I don't remember if she was fired if she resigned yeah I'm sorry I don't remember but what the point is she came on my podcast she wrote a book um and um she sort of explained like what what would really go on when you try to put together these pieces and you know and and in defense of CNN they I know they had a rebuttal to what she said and they disagreed with her her framing of it her memory of it you know I don't know but it sounds to me like whatever stuff that she found that was very questionable did not make the air yeah and that's probably why I mean there was the CIA talk pretty openly about having people that work in different news organizations where they sort of frame the news yeah well look that's goes to everything we've been talking about this all seems to be coming back to this idea

128:20of the online world and the old school thing they're like starting to have parody now where what we're doing is as influential you Joe Rogan is more influential than anybody on CNN in reality in in the reality of yeah but not Fox News that that Megan kellyan Kelly man she Megan Kelly she's so hot if you weren't gay dude you would understand I'd still do it i' still do it that's how hot she is's something violent about her dudes were like God damn something violent like masculine like you would think of her as a man so she I feel like she has a big dick wow oh yeah it's it's in her brain though it's in her brain she has a big dick in her braines um you know they're trying to give her $20 million and she hasn't accepted yet 20 you go girl get that 40 get 40 it's worth it the Network's useless without you wherever she goes I'm watching isn't that crazy though I mean think about it like 20

129:10million bucks she got perfect cheeks shees she got cheeks B she deserves it she's a very good talker too man she's very eloquent did you see that thing that you went went at it with n gingr oh yeah new gri is a isn't he he's you know I have a little bit of a love hate thing with him cuz I do think he's really smart the the guy's really smart he understands like when I talked before about like knowing what the role of government is and all that stuff that we should know more about and Civics and all that like that guy gets it in and out and and whether you agree with his politics or not he did do some stuff with the contract with America to with America to you know move the country in a certain way I'm actually surprised he hasn't run for president well he ran four years ago and and they basically remember that point that's right that was the whole thing with his wife and he

129:54left his wife and she was sick and married another BR and but you know in a weird way he was the precursor to Trump because do you remember that during those primaries he would be you know he was really good with zingers and with some comedy and he would get the audience to applaud and cheer and boo talking about the media ah the media and they' Boo and hiss and then suddenly the moderators started saying every time there'll be no booing or applauding or and it's like sit there like a robot it's 1984 express your disdain that's American and cheering is American they do it now in the debates don't they be silence you know it's like cuz she'd be in jail remember that yeah cuz you oh you'd be in jail cuz you'd be in jail boom that was in my mind the best bomb ever dropped on a presidential debate next to I Knew Jack Kennedy you're Know Jack Kennedy remember that a great L

130:44against Dan Quail we don't even remember who the other dude is Lloyd Benson Ah that's right Lloyd Benson yeah yeah man politics doesn't that seem like another that seems like something else you talk about parallel universe doesn't that I watch this is g to S this is going to be corny as hell but about two weeks ago I was sitting Saturday afternoon I'm just flipping the channels C-SPAN comes on they're replaying the 1992 debate between George HW Bush Bill Clinton running for the first time and perau and I watched about a half hour of it at like 3 o'cl on a Saturday and it really was like being an alternate universe it felt so different they were actually talking about economics Ross Pro with his I'm going to do this and we the economy and Bill and it was like Wow there was actual it was about politics yeah maybe it was completely up maybe it was all and lies and

131:32all that stuff but it was about politics and that was only what is that that's 20 years ago basically yeah this is a different era this is the reality TV show era yeah I used to have this joke that I never figured out how to get to work but it's sort of just an observation that there's so many people with shows where it's just a per like this is like when Jersey Shore was around M like we're going to have a show one day where it's going to be a reality show about a reality cameraman and then we're going to want we're going to follow that guy around as he goes to all these exotic places and films these people getting drunk on the beach and then one day we're going to want to know who's the man behind the camera behind the man behind the camera and then we're going to follow that guy around he's going to get a reality show it's going to be a reality show about a cameraman

132:13who's on a reality show about a cameraman who's a reality show cameraman and going to go deeper and deeper and deeper until the whole world is filled with people on a reality show while they're holding up a camera like two mirrors facing themselves with infinite cameramen in each Direction that's what we have right now that is a good weed well this is what we have though it is good weed but that's it's a old bit that I never figured out how to get to work but the point being is like this is what we're experiencing this is what we're experiencing with phones like it's it might not be on a network on Bravo coming up next at 8 it's Mike the cameraman on a reality show it doesn't have to be by a network it is what you're having with something like Periscope it is what you're having when people are live Facebook streaming from you know amusement parks or whatever the

132:59they're doing it's a reality show how do you how do you blend how much of your Joe Rogan the actual human versus Joe Rogan the public person how do you where do you put that line like in terms of periscoping from home or showing I don't do home stuff because they're not public people you know my wife and kids aren't public people they don't want to be they're just regular people just cuz they know me doesn't mean I should drag them into this nonsense right you know I just think all of us could do better with a little less interaction digitally I think it's happening so fast that you know like we're talking about people at restaurants that are constantly on their phone and when you check them on it they get upset I've been upset people tell me to put my phone down I'm like I got to do this yeah it's normal it's a natural reaction I think we have I think um all

133:47of us are going to eventually though step into that Great Divide and the future is going to be everybody all the time connected to everybody all the time and it's going to be very weird I think we're it's going to change thought I think it's going to I think we really are going to become like some sort of a bizarre hive mind well they do they've done studies where the internet already when they look at internet addicts that they find that the the wiring in their brain actually has changed it's changed certain synapse it's actually caused like membranes to shrink and to all kinds of stuff last uh I think it was May I for eight days you I never I never take off I don't remember the last time I took like some actual time off I took eight days off went to Mexico I locked my phone in a safe who so my or actually my husband did it locked the phone in the safe I did not know the code and for

134:368 days I sat on a beach it was at like an all inclusive place in it was was literally the dirtiest thing we've ever done it's digital bondage you want that phone yeah it was really it was wild uh but for eight days I had no phone and I kid you not I mean I felt my brain kind of resetting you know I felt some things happening and also I felt more I felt more patient I felt like you know in conversations where you know not like this but where you're constantly just distracted by every little thing like I got away from it and then when I got back on the grid you know cuz immediately the second I got off the plane and I was you know doing my thing I realized wow you know the world went on it was all right it was actually okay yeah I missed some something something happened on my show that took that got a lot news I didn't know about it for eight days uh but like the world

135:24went on yeah it was just like some happened yeah I I mean like I said I'm not trying to judge people who are using these things using these devices I'm just trying to talk about it as honestly as I can because I think it's almost inevitable but I think for your own personal good it has to be managed carefully I think you have to take audit of all the stuff that's in your life and if you spend like I have an hour and a half just reading through tweets about like almost nothing yeah and just looking for something interesting just constantly scrolling looking for something interesting like step away from that thing cuz you you're you're impulsively me speaking me talking to me impulsively checking images on Instagram what cool that people post up you know what interesting MMA News is out there right now what you know what is uh the the latest uh trending topics on

136:14Twitter after a while like what the am I doing how about my life what about me as a person like what am I doing I'm not even paying attention yeah well that's why I framed it like that between Jo Rogan the public person and then actually the human that has to go ahead and live and do this operation and have kids and a wife and all those things those are two separate things and yet you got to bring them somehow into harmony so that they can exist together a big one's meditation and thinking meditation and thinking about what you actually want to do versus what your momentum is leading you towards and for me it's isolation tanks that's the big one you know I have one in my basement I use it all the time I think about things there in an undistracted way and I take an evaluation of like how I'm think and I don't always like it you know it's one of the things that people don't like

137:01about getting high and it's one of the things that people don't like about isolation tanks and or yoga class too I was talking with my yoga instructor the other day and you know she was saying it forces people to examine their it does it forces you to look at your stuff when you're struggling you know and yoga seems so easy when you just say the word seems like something oh you're just grabbing your feet and you know it's hard man it's hard the room is 104° speaking up did you see that uh HBO Real Sports things with that beam guy they interviewed beam yoga guy holy people are they're taking their name his name off their yoga studio now oh he's killing people no no no no he's just a like a crazy who was saying that all these women you know have lied because he's been accused of sexual assault and that people pay a million dollars for one drop of his sperm he's

137:50like one drop of my sperm $1 million they pay like he's crazy I mean he's he's a guru right he's this yoga Guru who's responsible for it's what it's really an excellent sort of analogy to how weird and up human beings are that we are not perfect in any way shape or form you have this guy who brought this thing this be yoga to America and he didn't create it it's been around for thousands of years and he tried to sue people for the patent and all the movements he lost there was like you can't patent yoga but this guy has brought yoga and and sort of promoted yoga to who knows how many millions of people he's like one of the most directly responsible people for promoting this stuff but then you see him as a person you're like oh my God he's a crazy he won't let people go to the bathroom you have to sit there and listen to him talk and if you have to go you're going to go in your pants

138:44like it's all like cult it makes him stay up all night and watch Bollywood movies it's like a he's a crazy man he's got rolls-royces and and they busted him with all these cars and he said that he was going to open up a school for children to learn automobiles oh so that's why I bought these rolls-royces yes yes the school for underprivileged children with rolls-royces it's amazing it's amazing but I think but that goes to the worship thing that we were talking about and that's like you see these people worshiping Hillary or worshiping Trump and it's like they are not going to solve all your problems and not only are they not going to solve problems they shouldn't the President should the President should keep the the the road safe the President should make sure nobody bombs us the President should make sure the economy keeps chugging along think about all those jobs that

139:27you just said How's one person have those three important jobs that's a lot that's crazy well you get a guy for the roads you get there's a guy all it's ridiculous you get the Department of something or you going to call them hey man you're doing your job got to go check are these roads working you got to fly in Arizona let me see the road let check the road out but that's actually that's actually the point like they're not supposed to be our God they're not supposed to be our emperor they're suppos to keep the ship afloat right but as human beings chimps we want a God we want yeah we want to bring JFK back to life want to clone him even him he would never survive today all the crazy that guy was up to that's the point it's like he would have made weiner look like a like a Catholic school gave him an Instagram account yeah I think there's so many people like that that are complicated

140:15they're not it's we have this narrative that's been created by film and by books we have this false Narrative of this perfect human being this John Wayne character who rides off in the sunset this Clint Eastwood who where you know sandre lock is always waving goodbye to him as he rides off and away from the Indians like this is all a false narrative and it it's created in such a potent way that our brains are stained by that and we kind of expect that out of our leaders instead of I think that's not the case in other countries like in Europe in particular right in Europe like in France like politicians they have a f and was like running a brothel or something you know like they having it's Italy they're having a yeah Italy is another example it's a different world we we've developed a very strange culture over here in America very strange and and a

141:03lot of ways confused culture both in the positive and in the negative you know and both in you know the condemnation of things that people like Trump have said or you know people like Clinton have allegedly done and also our reaction to it like both of them were were weird we're just weird and I don't I don't think we've really fully embraced our weirdness as a species yet I think that's part of the problem with being a president in the first place it's based on like it's it's based on the idea that you can give people power and they won't abuse it because of an ancient scroll and that's really what it is someone many many moons ago before electricity they figured out how to make ink out of like bugs and I mean what they use charcoal what the did they use to make I I was going to buy the bugs that seems sensible they dip their quill into that and they would write on a scroll

141:57which by the way was mostly made out of hemp most these hemp paper well look everyone is incredibly complex and it has to do with we're all flawed we all fail every day and succeeded other things you could look at look at Thomas Jefferson I was at my cousin got married near monachello in Virginia where and that's you know that's where his house was and everything where he uh where he lived and owned slaves and had sex with some of the slaves and one of the slaves was you had sex with several of them I think he was having a good time you know he did but think about that he was writing the very laws that ultimately freed the slaves while at the same time in effect You could argue and I'm sure people have argued this that he was raping a slave because if it is about power even if she was fully down with it she was his slave so absolutely so but at the same time he was also at writing

142:40the very laws to free them that shows you how how flawed all of us are that you could hate you could hate him for for owning slaves you could hate him for having this relationship with this woman and all that and at the same time he was instrumental in writing the very laws that made us all equal so that goes and and you could that's why it's so dangerous when you look back on a different time and you try to apply our uh morality of today on other people it it's on other times it's so dangerous because you could look at him and go that guy let's let's erase every bit of History the way we did with the duk's of Hazard car and all that and that's crazy it's a thing Confederate flag should go back to the general e to the general e yeah I think it should be on the car and TV Land shouldn't have taken the show off the air you know what I mean like Bill Cosby

143:32I told you this last time I was here like that guy was my hero I went into comedy because I was 5 years old and I saw Bill Cosby himself and he's talking about chocolate cake and you know Theo and Vanessa and the whole thing and I thought it was the funniest thing ever and it changed my life it changed the course of my life now my childhood hero is the biggest serial rapist of all time of all time yeah that's depressing yeah that's another great example holy so really like think about what goodness you could absolutely draw a line between Bill Cosby and Barack Obama you can clearly draw a line that if Bill Cosby and that they're both black so there you go no but you could draw a line to say that if that show had not been on NBC prime time and he not done that that middle class upstanding family that was incredibly funny and all the great stuff about Cosby that that led to eventually

144:2020 some odd years later yeah Barack Obama being president and and at the same time he was a horrific rapist do you think that like a lot of his morality and this goes back to the sort of tied thing the slingshot effect that a lot of his sort of projected morality was to make up for the fact that he was drugging chicks and raping them so he was America's dad right and he was also like the UPS down upstanding citizen for the black community to get upset if comedians would swear yeah that whole thing with Eddie Murphy yeah I mean and not just him uh or not just uh Eddie Murphy but I believe the same with jve Chappelle I think he had a problem with Chris Rock you know what he what he stood for as was like this really conservative really friendly you know don't we don't talk about dicks and and all that stuff like he had a whole thing about like when he was

145:11really old too before he got caught it was a whole thing about well we talk about it but we don't hit it yeah we don't hit on it we we we you know what I'm saying can every comedian do a Cosby it's not even that impressive probably the only second time I've ever tried it but it's pretty decent thank you yeah I I need it needs work let's be honest but the point being is that this guy was the most vocal you never heard other comic like you never heard George Wallace tell other comedians what they should do you know you never hear that from Paul you know Paul Mooney maybe but you there's you you know what I'm saying like it's like you don't have well I guess partly partly that may have been because Cosby became such you know I mean it wasn't like I love both those guys especially George Wallace I think is like absolutely hilarious but he never got the level of

145:59mainstream success where what he says has some sort of cultural significance right it stays within the comedy World Cosby got to the place of it's it's something else it's beyond it's beyond what 99.999% of comics or any public figure actually gets he gets a place in you know the scheme of History so well yeah he was uh he was the best example of like the elevated person from this minority like the best example very well spoken he got a doctorate I I think he got kind of a legit one and he got an honorary one I pretty sure it was well the legit one was like from a paper that he had to write in graduate school or something like that see if you it's I think he got a legit one from New Jersey Dr will Cosby right that out to me yeah but I mean you can get an honorary doctorate just for your humanitarian work or because people think you're slick well Heath Cliff cable was a OBGYN

146:56so there you go must have went to school there must have yeah um I think that you see you grab her by the but you give her a drink first Trump bad see now if you went to run for president they would go back to that they take that out of context they go what the they r that Cosby worshiping grabbing you'll see but isn't it here it goes is this here is sometimes referred to as Dr Cosby he has his Doctorate in Education from the University of Massachusetts in Amherst he earned the degree in the mid1 1970s a thesis entitled the integration of visual media via Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids that's what I did my doctorine on how weird okay it's a a teaching Aid and vehicle to achieve increased learning that's interesting so so that goes to your point did did a was the public person really just defending the horrible actions of the private person but also he clearly was trying to

147:50good work yeah it says but here it says but how he got his degree has been controversial ever since according to Michael Eric Dyson a sociology professor at Georgetown University and acclaimed author of his Bill Cosby Wright and numerous other books Cosby dropped out of high school after he flunked his 10th grade three times he enlisted in the Navy where he got his GED then he enrolled in Temple where he dropped out to pursue a show business career his unfinished bachelor degree from Temple was eventually bestowed upon him because of his life experience Cosby enrolled in a part-time doctor Al student as the University of Massachusetts Amherst which awarded him see so that's it so he dropped out of high school came back got his GED enrolled in Temple dropped out of that and got a doctorate for writing about a cartoon but even the bachelor's degree they're saying he got an

148:35unfinished bachelor's degree because of life experience so he didn't get that degree reality and he didn't get the wow that's wild ex so both of them so it's not entirely true I mean he did get a degree but obviously there's a there's an aster attached to that yeah but but separating it from that it's like that thing that you're talking about is is pretty powerful stuff that what you that he was doing this horrible to and yet and yet he enriched so many lives at the same time at the literally at the same time that he was doing this horrible stuff to these women he was bringing so much goodness to the country MH that's that's deep you know there it's deep and that's people you know I think in the the sooner we recognize how flawed human beings are the the better we're going to be off and I think also this is another thing that I've talked about on stage before but it's a real

149:26issue I don't think human beings are designed to take in the data from media I don't think we can truly distinguish the difference between false narratives and fiction I mean I know we can you know when you go to see a movie you know it's a movie you leave that was a good movie man godamn can't wait for Dr Strange too you know there we know it's a movie but there's an impact that that data has on our mind that we have to even though we have to separate it and move it around that impact is there we're designed to follow like the tribal leader this old guy with scars who's survived battles and he has wisdom and he knows the poems and we sit around the fire and we follow him because of actual real live accomplishments and real live things that we've seen him do this is how he stays alive this is how you stay alive we there's only 30 of us okay we got bear skins on and we're living

150:16in a cave and we we don't have much time we got to follow that guy he knows how to stay alive and might not make it and this is a very real concern because we know tribes that are gone right so this is like how human beings develop for thousands of thousands of years if you believe in evolution when we went from being a monkey to being a guy who's addicted to a cell phone there's a lot of steps along the way and in those steps we developed a lot of these human reward systems where you get you you get used to and look forward to certain things because those things those rewards will keep you alive whether it's being attractive to females you will spread your DNA that way you must be concerned about this whether it's uh overcoming the adversaries because if you don't they're going to kill you like you have to stay alive you got F you got to you have to figure out how to stay

151:04quiet when you're hunting it's one of the reasons today why women enjoy gossip and Men enjoy quiet and why the two are sometimes incompatible like there's a design women are design they were trying to keep the Triumph together so they sit around washing clothes did you hear this dirty everybody when we go to sleep like that's that's where it came from and with the men they're out in these hunting parties they like shut everybody shut the up okay let's pay attention we got to be we got to stay close here this is the whole reason why there's a difference in the way these two behave this has all been like well established by sociologists and by people who have studied human behavior I think that where we're at now with movies and songs you're getting this data in a way we don't know how to process we obviously internally you know we obviously can rationalize and go well I know that's

151:49just a song or I know that's just a movie and I know the Indiana Jones isn't a real guy and he wouldn't just survive every time the bowling ball siiz Boulder comes his way he would he would get killed the nuke then he got in the fridge in part four he's the Arc of the Covenant how do you survive the come on man there's a lot of going on there I could accept that the that's supposed to be apocalyptic all of it it's supposed to be ridiculous the darts look the other way he look the other way from the nuke that's all you need to do can't eat cancer he's got a cool hat but those those narratives and this this life version is all data that's enter into the human consciousness and the more we expose ourselves to it when kids are watching eight hours of television and uh people are like constantly engrossed in their phones and all this like two-dimensional data and

152:36video and all these different things on YouTube the more that stuff gets into your mind into your life the less you're experiencing the actual life it's almost like a preparation for us being a part of this hive mind like these are the steps you take when you create this sort of new type of being being that's integrated you're you're talking about the Matrix that we're slowly morphing into this thing and that's why you know people have to understand that what happens there isn't real yet so like you know sort of jumping all the way back to that Leslie Jones thing when people say mean things to you I'm sure if you would looked at your Twitter right now somebody's probably saying something mean they will now now they're going to be really pissed you're a bully you told them to do it you see get on you you you sick them sick them don't worry there there's a lot of mine are yours so

153:21they'll they'll turn it on me don't worry we're all fine but uh but point is that that those words it goes to that words are not action thing like it so what someone said something mean to you you got to get over it so for example my part of my uh this is going to sound sort of corny but part of My Success in the last year is directly related to you because cuz my show was my for real my show was taken off when I was on here last time and by you giving it a little bump here and then you've been you've been real good to me on social media you've helped amplify what I do and in the process of that I now all my social media when I scroll in a weird way it's become sort of meaningless it's become all noise because if 95% of it's good which it usually is well then it's like oh there's another nice one it's nice and it is nice you know I'm not demeaning you mean people giving you compliments

154:08yeah just saying nice things or I like what you're doing or retweeting what I'm doing or whatever that's all nice and then the bad ones come in and then you know for whatever reason I focus on the bad ones more but then I just let it all becomes noise and I'm just like you know what I just have to do what I do and then let the rest of it be I you know what I mean you certainly probably at this point can't respond to everybody anymore oh no I can't even no it's but that's what I'm saying it's not fun anymore like part of the the price to pay for a little success here is that the part that used to be fun when I would play around with people more on there and spend more time interacting it's like it's become such like a calvacade of craziness that I I just don't have the time or I just don't have the mental bandwidth more than anything else I have a lot going on and it's like

154:49so that's a little bit of a sacrifice along the way but yeah but that's just comes with the program when especially when you're thinking about the numbers of people that you're reaching nobody ever had to do that like M imagine if Johnny Carson had a Twitter account and he was trying to interact with all the fans where he got email Carson tonightshow.com and he's like J did not know that there look at all this email how am I going to respond to these people if you don't they get mad at you there are mentions I think one good thing that's going on is people don't expect you to do that when you reach a certain number of fans like I get way more messages from people that say hey I love the podcast or great job on the UFC or something like that that those kind of messages I get way more often than someone actually trying to get me to respond to things yeah you know which I

155:32would like to do if I had I had that kind of time but no one has that kind of time right that's what I'm saying there's just a certain amount and that goes to combining public person and and private person like there's a certain amount of bandwidth that your brain has that all of us have to do what whatever it is we do I could we the two of us could sit here for 24 hours in a row and just respond to things and blah blah blah and it's like your brain also has to be able to breathe your spirit has to be able to breathe you have to live life yeah and I think if you have anything to offer this one of the things that I'm finding it's kind of important to me and I've tried to I've tried to engineer this in my own life in a way is that I've got to have as much life experiences or more than I do work because like just working like if I just did podcasts every day I I would have

156:17things to say because there's always something going on the world but I think I wouldn't be doing my own perspective a service I think to do my perspective a Serv to to be honest about it I need to experience things I need to live life I need to uh you know travel to places yeah I need to do things that are difficult I I need to get involved in a lot of activities I like to do different things because I think first of all because I enjoy them first and foremost and I think embracing that I enjoy them benefits me in a great way too because when I do things that I enjoy I get happy when I get happy I work better you know and I think if if I didn't do that and if I didn't like actively seek out it would just it's really easy for a lot of people a lot of people find this they get caught up in work so much that that's all they focus on yeah and then then I think it you

157:07stop being the person who got to that position in the first place the person who got to that position in the first place got there because people liked what you talked about or what you thought about and the only way that even gets more enhanced is by experiencing things yeah and by the way you don't have to go to across the world to do that even I was telling you before we started that so I just I bought a house we're we're doing the home studio thing my fans are funding it it's like my dreams literally are becoming reality it's as you know like it's as validating as anything that has happened in my entire life congratulations it's like that's beautiful to hear it's it's very cool you deserve it too man it's awesome um and yesterday I'm trying to hook up some speakers in the house and I have some old ass stereo that I've had forever and I'm trying to hook this

157:47up and was driving me crazy but I actually halfway through after like 3 hours of pulling things out of the wall and you know the old wires the little metal ones that you got to turn and jamming them into speakers and negative a I love those you got twist that thing down the red thing got the red thing and the black thing and I'm jamming I mean that's literally what I'm doing yesterday and I'm frustrated as and then about halfway through I was like this is actually great my attention was so focused turning those things getting that thing in there pulling one out wait a minute I had to run across the other make the speaker work and this one I have to run outside and it's like that was actually great it was a moment completely where I set all my aside and I realized I was like Wow for the last hour I was in this shitty ass Yamaha stereo thing you know and and it was actually pretty

158:36great there's a Zen in that right yeah there really is so you don't have to go across the world to do it just doing something that there was meaning in me doing it I didn't want to hire someone to do it you know like I want to figure this thing out and I did I think there's definitely something something that but I went to the Vatican this summer and I think it was more fun than you installing your stereo and I think I learned more about people and looking at you know St peters's Basilica than I ever would have done screwing together some wires and sticking them into some box that makes noise I bet I can beat you on that because many years ago I believe around 97 I think it might have been the same trip that I ended up in Egypt I went to Amsterdam I like basically shroomed for like eight days and then we wanted so my buddy and I we wanted to take that made my feet numb

159:19we wanted to take shrooms to uh to Rome to trip at the ctin chapel so listen to this we get on the train you know it's like overnight train I don't know probably 12 hours to go from uh Amsterdam to Rome we got boarded the train got boarded by like uh I don't know like border border police or something yeah something so we were like what are we going to do what do we do so we ate the evidence so we literally ate the shrooms on the train I don't remember like enough for one person each like not not like a crazy amount but we're on an overnight train in like one of those little couettes where you're sleeping with two people above you so we're both on the bottom in a tiny little room with with four Italians tripping balls for hours and hours and hours we get to we get to Rome and we went right to the cinee chapel which you have to walk through like a lot of other

160:05chapels kind of to get to and you see but so I wasn't fully tripping but I had just enough just enough in the cine Chapel beat that no you can't pretty good well the only thing way you could do that so I Tri through four countries cuz I Tri through uh the Netherlands I trip through b Belgium uh something in Italy there's there's another one in there what else would be in there I don't know I mean it all sounds Florence did you go to Florence I went to Florence but that's in Italy yeah you said something else in Italy we just said it was Belgium Netherlands is where I started or something other than Italy is that what you meant I don't know what I said I don't know what you said either I it a good time that's the point but like were you were you visualizing I had just you know when you have just enough of the visuals like just as like a little moving you know just a little

160:50something I was Stone Cold Sober inside St Peter's Basilica and I freaked out I was just thinking about the sheer effort involved in making something so insanely huge and how many hundreds of years it took to build it I we had a great guide he was really smart he was a professor and uh he spoke fluent English and fluent Italian and he was a local Professor who did this on the side and when someone was like really enthusiastic about the history of it he like lit up like a Christmas tree so me and this guy had some awesome conversations and you know you he stuck with us for like hour like five or six hours then we went to dinner with him afterwards and um you know he was just so he so loved the artwork and the culture and the history of it it was like it was so infectious when he was talking about it well that's the thing you don't have to be religious per se

161:41I'm not a Believer I right I believe in things that I that can be proven if someone could prove something to me then then I would believe it if you told me that LeBron James dunked from half court well I'd need to see video you know like I would just oh he did well hot damn you know so why wouldn't I apply that same logic to the biggest questions of the universe but even not being a Believer you can acknowledge that the work that these people had to do that maybe they felt some Divine Spirit they felt something in themselves that I can't explain or whatever that there's an incredible power to that I mean go to Jerusalem you can look at the the Western Wall is literally you know the holiest sight in Judaism is adjacent with the Temple mount the the Dome of the rock is right on top of that the third holiest sight in Islam and if you walk 5 minutes the other way the Church

162:24of the Holy separ where Jesus was uh crucified is right there I mean so whether you believe in this stuff or not it the fact the the facts on the ground exist and you have to acknowledge that some people find meaning and value in that we could we could argue whether that would has been a destructive force throughout time or well I think in a lot of ways religion is like Bill Cosby it's both you know it's it's helped people and it's hurt a lot I mean religion has been responsible for some horrible atrocities and not just one religion like many many religions but like many many groups of power many groups that have influence and great influence over people a lot of times they look out for themselves they protect themselves ruthlessly especially when they have massive amounts of power that doesn't make any sense in the world like when you look at any sort of uh any sort of a

163:13coup or any sort of a usurping of power like it's someone who has massive amounts of power and someone else wants that massive amounts of power and they conquer him and take over him and it's always like this spectacular chaotic event and that's what human beings sort of that's what they do you know they they establish positions of power then they abuse them it's like and they're almost begging for some better smarter person to come along and take it from them yeah I I think about that sometimes even when when I'd be like walking where I used to live in West Hollywood where it's like pretty uh you know it's next to Beverly Hills it's a nice area and that all these people are sort of walking you know there's nice shops there and everyone kind of looks good so it's sort of what we said they go to the gym they tan they get surgery they're they like they're all working on

163:59themselves all day doing their own thing and it's and you're right it's almost like they're just they're so blind to the fact that they're is something else happening there is a real Power Play happening in the world where there are forces that want to change things either for what may be better for you or or worse for you or whatever and most people just ignore it because it's a lot easier to get lost in Twitter or watchi spoiled country club kids of the world that's what we are we're like the spoiled country club kids of the world that don't realize the consequences of flying drones into Yemen and bombing wedding parties you know there's like the the consequence that's attached to those people it would be so significant if it was happening on this patch of dirt but since it's happening over there we don't think of it as a big deal could you imagine what would happen if someone

164:45from another country had flown a drone over the United States and accidentally bombed B some sort of a wedding party in Phoenix right could you imagine imagine if one rocket flew over Mexicans Mexico's border to uh to El Paso or La Hoya we'd bomb Canada I mean you know what I mean like like that like think about that like it's so crazy when you think you know and I get it as I said before I'm not against every state secret I understand that some has There are rules that are beyond what the average why are they they're only that way because there's no transparency in these other countries too and once all these countries develop this new level of transparency where you can't hide you can't lie you're going to do one or two things either going to say look I'm gask Khan I'm running this and you're going to Putin the whole thing I mean what Putin is doing right now is old school dictator

165:37stuff kills his Rivals publicly he assassinates his did you see the assassination attempt on him no you haven't seen that I don't think so on on Putin yeah dude yeah made a suicide attack on his car but his driver was in the car and not him this guy drove highspeed headon right into Putin's car how the hell did I miss two weeks ago no yeah two weeks ago check out takes a lot out of see watch this watch this watch this car see the guy in the middle he's doing that so he could hit Putin's car bam that's it he knew where the car was and he drove in the median and then turned towards Putin's car throw that one more time real quick now that I can see see the see watch the median watch the middle strip that guy is there planning this then he sees the car and turns right into him holy holy is right it killed uh the driver I think it killed both guys see if it killed both guys

166:33jeez but Putin was not in that car but that's his um his favorite driver bananas dude so I mean that's that's Game of Thrones but that's right that's to the point that modern Game of Thrones happening yeah and but all these other people these are the the people that are protected by the dark Lords that run the kingdom and that this is just the modern version of that's been going on since the beginning of time so then that said does that give you any empathy for what Clinton has to do to get there so that's what I'm saying I don't have not necessarily empathy but a vague understanding of how ignorant I am about how the world works yeah and that's a it's a weird place to sit I suppose and you know here's the defense of Clinton the major Clinton Bill because you know not a defense of whatever he may or may not have done uh physically to all those people that are

167:22accusing him of things but about his like the speeches that he does and all the money that he's trying to acquire people forget how ruthlessly prosecuted he was by Kenneth star while he was in office and how crazy that all that all that situation was um who was leading at new Gingrich who as we said before was having an affair off his wife that was dying yeah and then there was that other guy the the strategist who's the uh the Republican strategist that was was it Ken Melman no that was after that was a George W bush guy uh Ro no uh yeah Carl Ro Carl Ro is part of it too right wasn't he involed the Clinton thing that maybe he's not maybe I'm confusing because Carl Ro is definitely a part of the Jeff Ganon story yeah yeah um I don't you know I don't know what that could have possibly been like for them but I know that when Bill Clinton got out of office apparently he was deeply

168:10in debt because of his legal fees and the whole thing was just like off the chart that was one of the things that Hillary talked about like she had said that when they left when he left the office they were dead broke well he obviously found ways to capitalize on it and did it but could you imagine being a guy who's a former president and is how old was he at the time like maybe in his late 50s yeah probably and not just dead broke but beaten down by public Scandal and you you're in debt to the tune of who knows how many dollars and you've lost all your money to legal cases because you're fighting off impeachment by all these crazy people that want to prosecute you for doing that pretty much every president is done since the beginning of time whipped his dick out and people just start sucking it because they're the King cuz it's crazy to be in that position in the first place and who

168:55cares well people do care because he lied I'm not talking if you rape people or whatever then that's one thing but I'm just talking about just the general if the president's having Affairs who gives a is the country working is it this thing basically not going towards the the iceberg then okay but here's where it's curious he didn't get prosecuted because he lied because obviously Obama now we now found out that he lied about the emails from the the Wikileaks he lied to the American people it is a small lie it is a white lie I guess you could say cuz nobody you know I mean might not be the worst lie well Obama's wasn't under oath Clinton's was exactly that was going to get to but the difference being that he didn't raise his hand and put his hand on the Bible and say do you solemnly swear to tell the truth like why you have to you have to I have to know you're really

169:42honest like now like this is the time where you can't lie anymore so we have this crazy rule that if you do lie during that time it's so different than when you lie about what FBI administrator Comey or whatever the his title is Comey says about what you did versus what you think you did right or or whether it's who knows what other things right whether it's how many cell phones she had or Benghazi or what those lies you you have your team destroy all your old devices with hammers and after that we actually did take some old hard drives out to the gun range yeah yeah and I uh I put some 300 wi mag rounds into him that that'll show him who's boss we did because we're were G to get rid of him anyway they were old it just old and I said it' be fun to take these to the range just blow them apart nice so yeah so we took them out there and I was sighten in

170:34my rifle yeah boom you should see what it does to one I'd like to try that you would like to try that yeah I would do that with you sometime all right I'll shoot some computers or yeah some old laptops you know what I did today um I got off the Apple tit I got my Apple laptop here but I bought a Windows laptop just to see what's going on I bought still make those yes they do they make a Lenovo ThinkPad uh that's what I got I always like think pads I had one a long time ago and I let's see what the newest think pads look like I'm still have that little red little nipple that you play nipple there they still go with the nipple they have the nipple still yeah really yeah yeah yeah I got a p50 Lenovo ThinkPad p50 so anyway I get this ThinkPad and it has Windows 7 well the newest Windows is Windows 10 so I try upgrading to Windows 10 oh jeez three and 1 half hours later after two

171:22live chats with people they can't figure out how to get it to work two different people I'm talking to um with uh you know tech support they can't figure out how to get it to work it's still got Windows 7 on it I spent three and a half hours this morning not as therapeutic as my little Yamaha session fasinating I didn't lose my I didn't lose my temper cuz I I treated it I have a laptop this one's getting kind of it's got a lot of space taken up by porn and stupid and um pool videos and a bunch of dumb stuff on my phone and from my phone rather and I was saying why I should probably get like a new laptop like why don't I see what Windows 10 is like so I figure if you buy a new laptop well for sure it's going to have Windows 10 on it no it had Windows 7 Windows 7 where's eight and nine I didn't know that they did anything after 95 I thought it was Windows 95 and then that

172:10was it well I heard Windows 10 is good I've I've heard it reviewed by tech people so I'm I'm hoping to see what the fuss is all about but I've been I at least I think it might be like like going going to a really shitty job for a while and then coming back to your regular job and going God this is so much better isn't it funny how sometimes like for as connected as you may be sometimes some technology just kind of gets past you and then you realize you just like miss something so for the last like five years I've been using Firefox the the browser Firefox are you on you're on Chrome I guess right so I'm using Firefox nothing would work like like videos would freeze audio would freeze I couldn't open three windows at once you know like a whole bunch of and then my uh my director ramir saw me clicking Firefox and she was you know she's 23 or 24 and she was laughing

173:01hysterically like you idiot what are you doing why are you doing that and then she said you got to get on Chrome and I was like no that can't be any different than Firefox I thought everybody was on Firefox like for as much as I'm in this thing this I don't know I got on Firefox and I just was there Chrome is the so now I'm on Roman guess what you press play you know what happens plays plays yeah well I'm a big believer in the Google and one of the things that I've been thinking about is uh getting off the Apple tit and uh using an Android phone and a Windows laptop so I'm going to try that over the next few months this is the beginning end no I don't think so I want to I don't think being frustrated be such a bad thing I mean I think at the very least I can call people and could dude I don't think I could send you a text anymore something's going on he sent me pictures I can't find him

173:46that's a great way to get off the grid sorry I heard when people send you pictures on those Google phones like they go into a folder yeah like if someone sends you a picture it's attached to your text message the picture like automatically goes into a folder and may not even exist on the text stream like I don't get it I don't know if that's the case or not how do we even live like this I'm G to find out I'm G to find out I'm G to find I want to see what's going on I'm going to try that they have a Google has a new phone called the Google Google pixel heard about it and it's very highly received by Tech dorks the people that really know what the they're talking about unlike me and they uh they really like the camera they really like the speed the the pure Google Experience because nobody with it comes straight from them they don't have a third party software built into it so I'm going to

174:28see we'll see what's going on because I think you just stay on the Apple tit all the time yeah like when people send me a text message is all green I get a little Envy I'm like this person's out there just rebelling they're out there being wild and sending text messages this morning IM message when I was dealing with the Yamaha show you I'm not making this up see I'm just a real big fan Google in general see took a picture of a wire and it came back green and I thought what's this guy know that I don't know this guy's got green he knows he knows things or he doesn't or he's poor poor G yeah he's actually unemployed it was very sad it could be that he's just a crazy person he doesn't trust Apple but there is something weird about that those blue things like and then if someone's got another kind of phone and it's green it's like oh they're an outsider yeah

175:12it's green you they don't even send you a blue one like why why do you have different colors for different people that have different phones I don't like the where where that's going well the other you know it's that 1984 commercial that Apple did in 1984 where they were fighting windows at the time they were fighting Microsoft but the idea that the bigger M Apple gets and the more we just instinctively go to it and by the way I say this with allo irony because I got the iPhone 7 the day it came out right here dude awesome um fan but you know the more that we all do that you actually incentivize them to not innovate because they know that if because this phone really the reality is this phone that we're both have right now it barely is different than the than the six right are you find dare you but who are you yeah we've been talking for a while a little better a little better

175:58but a little better and maybe a little worse I like the phys Buton and I do miss the phone the headphone jack yeah guess what sometimes I want to have a headphone plugged in where I'm in my car so I can talk to someone with a thing dangling from my ear because it's way easier to hear them than it is through speaker phone or what if you want to charge your phone and use head to at the same time yeah don't agree with what they're doing and I don't agree with what they're doing with laptops either where they're getting rid of USB and they now they have some new type of USB like come on man this isn't any better but the thing is that goes to my point if they know that you're going to buy this no matter what and they know they knew the day they put this out they're going to make x amount of hundreds of millions of dollars if not more so the more that we instinctively

176:39just go to them the actual less they have there's less incentive for them to give us good Innovative because why keep changing it if you just tweak a couple things and they don't put that much into it and we all do it anyway I also think that it's probably important to support competition yeah and to in you know like when I think once they reach a point where the tech people are saying this is the best phone like a lot of the Google um the people that have reviewed the Google pixel they're saying I have ditched my iPhone for this this is the best phone in the market finally for the first time an Android phone I don't know if they're rooting for Android and so they may have a biased opinion I might try it like these guys are out of their mind right but we're going to find out I'm going to find out about Windows 10 and I'm going to find out about Android I'm going to

177:23give them both a shot I've decided that recently I was like this is just too instinctive a move for me to just go to Apple like I remember when I was on news radio it's when Apple wasn't really even that good it was before um OS 10 OS X rather which was the big operating system change where it me to a Unix based system opposed to the way it was before it was like it would freeze up before it had no memory protection you couldn't really multitask correctly it didn't have what they call preemptive multitasking so like the tech people didn't appreciate the the Mac platform until OSX and then OSX had this really like responsive user interface it was very cool little animation things would happen when you click on things and I saw that I went whoa okay I'm going to try it I'm G to try it so I went that's when I jump back over from Windows to Mac again and there's so many people

178:12that get in these Clans it's like we were talking about with Republicans versus Democrats there's a lot of Clans like when I was on the set of news radio one of the guys this is back when Max sucked one of the guys was like uh you know do do you hear our sales are up our sales are up he's talking about like Max I go our sales he's like sales of ma because you know he knew he was a m he'd have wear Apple t-shirts and he was such a I didn't know Bill Gates was there uh Steve Jobs was the key grip on news radio well he was you know he's a a creative guy behind the scenes guy but he was like so excited about Apple sales being up and I'm like dude this is weird you're getting weird with me yeah you know we we've got new uh new MacBooks are coming out okay don't you have a computer like what the are we doing man what are we doing we become slaves to these machines but was like apple was

178:59the underdog it's a different experience well that's what I mean that 1984 commercial their whole point was you all bow down to Microsoft and we are the upstarts we're the people that are going to break the system break the Matrix think different think different and now it's like think the same and not only is it think the same and if you don't think the same there's something wrong with you you got a green text what the hell WR with you but you know Apple for all the the cries of everybody with Trump in the taxes cuz everything these days is somehow link back other you know apple pays virtually no corporate taxes exactly and and what's his name the head guy now uh Tim Cook basically was like yeah when they rewrite fairer tax laws we'll bring our money back here now no some for some reason nobody's upset by that we don't see people throwing iPhones out the window well the problem

179:39is they have a responsibility as a gigantic Corporation to the people that hold their stock like there's a weird thing that happens with corporations and they're public and people own stock in it like you have a direct obligation your stockholders to make a profit so doesn't that prove Trump's point though so it proves his point because it's like all right I'm doing what's legal right like at the end of the year when you when you go to pay your taxes I'm pretty sure you tell your accountant the same thing that every sensible person does which is do whatever is legal and I want to pay the least amount of taxes I don't I that's all everybody does you know that's why tax shelters exist yeah so I don't so again he hasn't released his taxes so that's shitty and he Li and by the way he's lying when he says the thing about audit his whole thing is well I'm under AIT so

180:19I'm not going to do it but then then the next sentence at the last debate he was like you know what I'm under audit but I won't do it but if Hillary releases her emails I'll release my taxes and it's like oh well which is it you know well I think it was the Goldman Sachs speeches wasn't it no he said emails he said emails so he's lying you know it's just a way of lying I'm under audit which there's no technical reason that you couldn't but then he says but if she does hers you know that thing I'll do I'll do it well there's no technical reason but that's his argument that like while they're auditing him not going to do it cuz he doesn't have to you know which does make sense like if they are auditing him like why he wouldn't want to like open it up to public discourse right so that so that in itself may be legit but the idea that but if she releases emils I'll forget that whole

181:02thing with the audit and I'll go ahead and do it don't you think though that that would if he did release his taxes while they were auditing him it could possibly affect for sure because it would affect public opinion we know for a fact that public opinion has had a big impact on things that may you know if people didn't they didn't get outraged about it maybe the president or whoever's in charge wouldn't move in a certain direction right right well that's but that's the point is that if you want this sh if you feel that this stuff is broken that the tax system is broken and all these guys that can hide money in uh you know offshore accounts if you think all that's broken don't be upset at the businessman who used it now that doesn't mean what he was doing was ethical or whatever maybe it was maybe it wasn't that's that's a different conversation but you have to be upset at

181:45the people who put the laws in place that allow this to happen any businessman just uses the system as it exists so when all these people are like well Trump makes his ties in Mexico yeah he's a smart businessman in that regard he uses cheap Mexican labor if you're upset that that is the reality then be upset at the people who set up those trade deals but isn't the issue really not that he does his stuff in Mexico the issue is that he does it in Mexico but he only pays people a tiny amount of money see if somebody opened up a plant in Mexico and paid people American wages there would be no in whatsoever to go to Mexico we should have laws as human beings and what we're what we allow and not just in America you can't just say you go past this line there's a rock over there once you pass that rock you can pay him seven cents an hour but over here we got 11 bucks you right all

182:34right you're on Team America World Police yeah so I'm not defending the the ethics of his business practices I'm just saying all the B as you said they're they're beholden to their stock uh shares and their holders and all that stuff so I'm just saying if he didn't do anything anything illegal then he just did he just played the system so you should be angry at the system and you can say he's immoral or took advantage in a way that a more less unscrupulous business person may not have and maybe that's the type of person you would want to work with and not a Donald Trump right but but that's why this is really complex and we instead people look at the ties of Mexico and they go see he's a hypocrite and it's like that's not quite the truth well he is a no no He's a hypocrite for for many for that he's a hypocrite I mean he's talking about if corporations go over to Mexico we'll

183:18we'll find them to the tune of 35% okay but you're already there like you if you're running for president and you're making your ties over there you should stop like because you're saying there's something wrong with a company taking their stuff and moving over there and profiting from it and taking jobs out of America you do it I've already done it I do it right now if you do it I'm G to find you so that's a at least so you're making a distinction there that in the course of this he could have said I'm not going to do it anymore to show you that I'm going to be moral or whatever you want to call it ethical whatever I will stop but isn't the ethical moral way to do it to just pay them more yeah of course but that's unfortunately we we live in a reality that you know that's what a law someone should pass that as human beings that live in the United States in the world the United States of

184:02America one of the most fortunate countries if not the most fortunate in the world we will respect our American privilege and you know not be willing to subjugate people that live in impoverished countries to like taking advantage don't don't take advant of their unfortunate circumstances like if you're living in a very poor third world country and a Nike Factory opens up or whatever you can't as a as a person who is aware that they have the best like location rle of the dice that's available today you're living in America you're born here like the fact that you're going to like make someone in some other country work for essentially with slave labor like the phone you buy this iPhone that I have in my hand is made in a factory where they have Nets around the factory because so many people have tried to kill themselves that they made it where they catch you in a net when you jump

184:55off the roof because they were cleaning up bodies off the ground and when people defend it they defend it in the most bizarre way the the defense is yeah but the percentage of people that commit suicide at those factories is very similar to the percentage of people that commit suicide in the culture but they live at the factory they live at the factory they're making no money and they live at the factory and they're jumping off the roof that's you can't defend them no so then what do you make of our sort of fake moralizing with this where you you are fully acknowledging we both have this thing we both paid a lot of money for it we acknowledge we have the intellectual knowledge of what you just said that they do some shady things and yet at the same time all these people that are doing the exact same thing with us that have this phone will go berserk over the ties so we we pick

185:40we and that goes to the sides everyone's picking a side so well they're just going after this guy they're going after this guy and that there's there's validity to what they're saying even though they have a phone that was built by slaves there's still validity in what they're saying and not only that that I mean we I had Shane Smith from vison one day and we were talking about the colan col Tran colan that they had to take out of the ground the in the Congo and how you know like the the way they were getting a lot of the elements that they use in cell phones to complete slave labor and child labor I mean it's scary scary stuff when you get down to the the nitty-gritty of how things are manufactured and constructed in order for us to get them at a reasonable price and it's just it's just really spooky that we're willing to do that it's yeah yeah it's it's just we just synced up

186:26there that was wild um it's partly it's just the unintended consequences of wanting things you know it's also the unintended consequences of having this business model of unlimited growth yeah you know and that what we're talking about about Trump having a sort of responsibility to his shareholders just like apple having a responsibility to their shareholders like this this thing of unlimit growth places morality at the end of the list of of motivations for what you're doing and there's a thing called diffusion of responsibility that takes place when you have a gigantic group of of people they call themselves a corporation you're just a little piece of that Corporation it's not like Dave rubin's out there making people work for 13 cents an hour no it's Microsoft or it's you know Hitachi or you know fill-in the blank I don't know if those companies do bad things but whatever

187:11company it is Apple that's that's paying people ridiculously low wages I mean it's that is what it is you know it's a the corporation becomes this entity that needs zeros and ones and you have to figure out a way to get them and can you get them by taking these people that have worked for us for 20 years just casting them out can you do that yeah but they they're good they do a good job them how about you cut them off and you make face to the right work four extra hours a day right so then you take instead think of all the executives and all the mid-level people that they've got up in copertino making absurds amount of money I'm not just talking about the shareholders who cashed in I'm talking about all those Silicon Valley guys making absurd amount of money I don't begrudge any of them any of that money but imagine if all of them who could live incredibly well on

187:5710% of what they have and funneled some of that money to the same people making their I'm not a socialist so I'm not even saying this would be the right thing to do in any way but like they those people all walk around with a pretty clean conscience yeah you know while they have you know the fancy you know they probably all have Teslas and all that and the people that are literally making the not just the coming up with the the ideas in copertino because they always say you know thought of in copertino but meanwhile they made in China with the it is interesting how we really distinguish very clearly the difference between the person who has the idea and the person who puts the idea together with their fingers yeah like that's not nearly as valuable but without that person putting it together it never gets done like you the manufacturing process does not just

188:42include the people that buy the machines it includes the people that work for the people that buy the machines but the people to buy the machines get so much more money than the people that work for them and then the people that design the plans and give them to the people that buy the machines they get even more money they get the most money the people who design the idea is most important and I don't know if that's because of like the nature of the thing that like that it's it's set up that way because that's those are the people the people at the very top are the ones that are going to expand this weird thing that we're doing expand this technological sort of progression there this ongoing wave of improvement and Innovation that we demand we demand new better versions We not an iPhone 7's a piece of when's the eight come out dude the Eight's going to have HD reality built in yeah

189:29and are any of us are the question really at the end of the day is are any of us happier are any of us more functional are any of us more exactly yeah like are what have we done here what have we done is any if they were to gauge happiness of the average person who had the exact same physical attributes as you that grew up in the same town you grew up in in 1950 versus right now is there any quantifiable difference and I would I would guess that basically it's no that doesn't mean this thing has done incredible things cuz terer Square all the revolutions that haven't really worked out the way they're supposed to but it connected people all over the world yeah and that's pretty awesome so it does of course it does great stuff but like in terms of what are we actually chasing constantly as you said there's no end because once it's always profit well we

190:13got no no no no no so you're not chasing happiness you're not chasing fulf fillment you're not chasing you know whatever the the end game of The Human Experience is you're just chasing something I don't think it's for humans I think it's for the next thing I think we're setting it up for the next thing we're the little workers that are building the shop for the machine overlords oh man we're the guys with the Nets yeah we're we're the guys with the Nets we just don't think we are we're our thirst for technology is probably connected in some way to this thing wanting to emerge and that as we become more and more materialistic and interested in the latest and greatest we we fuel this this Innovation and we're a part of it whether we we like it or know it or not that's why like as a human being it's very frustrating and confusing when you're addicted to

190:57technology when you're caught up in it and locked away in it and for me I find that the only way I stay happy is by being involved in very physical things like and I think that's one of the reasons why record numbers of people are depressed today I think they're not fulfilling their human requirements their biological human requirements for me exercise is gigantic meditation is also gigantic which I also consider a very physical thing because it's it's a focused concentration internally versus on whatever is on my Twitter feed or whatever Facebook feed or dealing with some nonsense about a job you don't really give a about instead of that I'm focusing on things that are important to me like the management of the actual mind itself I think putting yourself in uh competition scenarios putting in things where you have to perform Under Pressure that's one of the reasons why people get so

191:46addicted to J Jiu-Jitsu because then it's like this highle problem solving thing that you're doing all the time and it makes regular life seem so much more easy to manage and regular dilemmas are nothing compared to a 190lb man who's built like a gorilla on your back trying to choke you to sleep that reminds me of the gym in West Hollywood actually you see what I did there da ring ladies and gentlemen but I think you know regardless it's happening it's happening to us regardless the techn my my nonsense and talking to you about switching to Windows 10 and a Google phone this is stupid it's not going to fix anything and I'm not trying to I'm not claiming to not claiming that I ever possibly could or have the influence but what I'm saying is you as a human being have an obligation to yourself to extract that happy juice out of your body in a positive way and I don't think we're

192:35designed to sit at desks I don't think we're designed for fluorescent lights I don't think we're designed for movies and all those things are great all those things are great but you got to manage the amount of exposure you have to that you to manage the amount of exposure you have to fictitional narratives you have to Mar you have to manage the kind of exposure you have to electronic influence you have to manage the just like you have to manage the type of people that are in your life you're around people that are complaining all the time if you're just around people just whining like oh my God another day you know I'm sure you didn't see the movie but uh there's uh this kids movie about um inside out and it's about like uh this girl's brain it's a little kid my da but a little kid movie like this girl has like these characters in her brain one of them anger and black plays

193:25anger which is awesome and uh and the other one is sadness and sadness is like wow everything's so sad and everything sadness touches becomes sadness like everything turns blue it's kind of an interesting movie because it's funny it's entertaining but it's also it's kind of there's a lesson to be learned for children that like you can you can marinate in those thoughts you can allow those thoughts to influen and touch all these different aspects of your life or you can figure out how to stop them like understand what they are these are these are these thoughts are it's almost like a living thing like a life force and that living thing can grow if you feed it but if you don't feed it you push it aside and you feed the positive thing you can manage that little yeah might not ever go away cuz you're not living in a movie but you could definitely manage it way

194:10better than you're doing if you don't take conscious decisions and what kind of energy you let into your life yeah well we all know people that are addicted to their own pain or their own drama or their own story and no matter what you do you know you and they love it they love it we all have relatives like this or or friends and it's like you got to do the work it is work life is work it is it is endless it's endless till it's over and then you may regret not doing some of the work it's also it's your it's not there's no it's not like there's no options there are options to thought patterns and if you just allow these like deep deeply ingrained paths to exist in your mind where you immediately fall into complaining and the woe is me it never works out for me you know someone sent me a a text the other day comparing two people there was two the same thing

195:00happened two people are at the same event and one person had this horrific like like oh my God this is terrible this is the worst it's such a waste of my time and the other person was well uh it hasn't been good yet but hey there's still time exclamation point smiley face I'm like this is a perfect examp example the difference between two different people in the exact same experience having two different patterns that they allow their brain to go down now what if you find out that guy's on Zoloft an issue that's an issue right and that's what a lot of people do instead of well and again this is not to disparage people who have legitimate mental imbalances where they need medication I have a bunch of friends that have had that but the question with that is like is that nature or nurture like what what has become what is causing these negative thoughts in your

195:45mind is it a biological uh issue that you have because part of you is not working correctly which is entirely possible or is it You' have embraced these negative thoughts and this negative program by your family or by people that you hang around with or bad influences and you've embraced it to the point where you're unable to take these positive thought patterns you know you almost like have to go to a retreat they almost have to like kidnap you and put you on some Island somewhere where somebody talks to you and goes hey man this is this is life right now's life you don't have to get back to that email you think I know you think you do you know you don't have to get back to those people that are negative that are in your life you don't have to like this is life this right here breathe in breathe out you're alive you're also alive in maybe the greatest time the

196:26world has ever known I mean come on man there's never been it's never been easier to get food it's never been safer to walk the streets there's never been more cool people to communicate with this is the best time ever like don't go wo as me cuz some girls want to suck your dick anymore just can you just stop and relax for a moment if you were a 90-year-old man living in Ecuador you know that his whole life if you'd been forced to be a farmer working for pennies and eating raw potatoes and and someone gave you the opportunity to come here and be you now how godamn happy would you be you'd be so happy well that is you that's you right now you won the lottery yeah you're still complaining and 99.9% of the people listening have won the lottery in comparison to all the other people that they're going to come in contact with so a lot of the other people in an interesting way you're

197:13you're almost making a case though for people to the that the key to happiness in the midst of this technological monstrosity that we're part of that the key really is to disconnect yourself from it and there that comes with certain costs too I don't think to disconnect I think to have discipline I think for me yeah at least my my best happiness comes from when I have discipline in avoiding the technology or or limiting my access to the technology and consciously choosing to do other things MH you know yeah get involved in other Hobbies get involved in you know like whether it's yoga or archery or you know go run marathons or go you know get involved in you know to go enter a jiu-jitsu tournament go uh climb a mountain there's things that people do that are hard to do and you don't just do it to get to the top of the mountain I think or to you know finish that cross

198:09that line that you decid you're going to run to you do it because you your your body requires it your brain may require it like you as a being as an entity problem solving and puzzle solving is a part of who you are overcoming adversity is a muscle that's got to be exercised because if it's not then once the hits the fan you fall apart and we all know people like that that just when one bad thing goes on in their life they become blabbering idiots yeah yeah that's I mean that's why you got to just push you like you have no choice in a way I guess once you see that which seems fairly obvious to to someone if you're awake enough once you see it you got to just push and push and push and you you will fail as I've said several times like you're going to fail at it and I fail at it all the time where suddenly three hours went by and I go I just stared at Twitter for

199:01three hours definely do that literally just taking my dog for a walk yeah sometimes that that would just reset it and then I feel better after that you know and if you don't do that it's taking that step get yourself to take that step and just once you're doing something it's usually pretty easy to do it like once you're working out it's pretty easy to be there once you're start like oh this is what I'm doing now and I actually start enjoying it it's making yourself take that step yeah you know like there's a lot of times before a yoga class where I'm like I could just stay here watch TV and put my feet up and do nothing man I'm feeling kind of sore maybe I should relax like your brain starts playing all these mind games with you but when you do go to yoga class and you take that class 90 minutes later you've lost eight PBS of sweat and you've been freaking out and almost blacking

199:44out when you get out of there you feel better you feel better feel way better and it gives you also I think momentum and motivation to continue with the rest of your life to to keep pushing forward what do you think about um the fact that you are Your Own Boss also cuz you pretty much I you know I know you have outside gigs too but for the most part probably 90% of what you do I would guess is is you are in charge of the the ultimate decisions if not 100% maybe it's well not the UFC the UFC is uh my one job that I have but right and it's still it's a job but the greatest job I've ever had it's a super pleasure and it's also um it's an honor and it's also there's a massive obligation to respect and represent the people that are competing and what I think is one of the most difficult physical Endeavors in all sports if not the most yeah I think it's incredibly difficult to do and I feel

200:37like I'm in a very privileged position to represent those people but yeah I like it that I don't need it yeah I love that I love that I love I I like not having a boss man even though my boss is amazing yeah you know my that job is the greatest job of all time I like doing things when I want to do them too and I but but it's not like I'm lazy so I I push myself to do a lot of and I you know I have goals and I accomplish them or I attempt to and I have you know commitments as far as like writing and per Performing and producing things but um yeah being your own boss man if you could pull it off it's like the greatest thing ever because it's not work anymore it's like you're working for yourself but you're you're doing things instead of working like you're not punching in I mean I went independent in June so it's only I'm not even 6 months out of that and not only was it the smartest

201:25business decision I ever made which partly was because I saw guys like you and Cora and a couple other guys that were I was like wait a minute they built great Brands they have their fans and they're doing it like I it was like I was like oh there's actual template for this if I if I built my audience correctly and I just took the risk and said you know let's let's see what happens and you know we launch this patreon campaign which is where fans can donate per month whatever they want so you know you do like two bucks you get a newsletter we have people that donate 250 and I Skype with them every month and like a whole bunch of different things I didn't know when I woke up the next morning after we launched it it might have been over my career literally might have been over like just like that because I quit my job I had no I I I had no job my producer had no job my

202:07director had no job no insurance no nothing and I woke up and our fans showed up and they took care of us and because of that now in the six months since since then now I bought this house I'm building the studio and we're figuring out all other ways to to make deals and all that kind of stuff and it's Inc but I still wake up sometimes this what my point was I still wake up sometimes I'm like wait a minute do I have to answer to somebody like I have a feeling it's just a feeling you know like wow I can't believe this I I make the decision here well kind of a way like that that hunger that that you know that fear to take that chance and to do things that's like one of the best things you could ever have in life cuz the motivator if you don't if you're not like a woe as me I'm always going to be a loser if you're a person who really tries to do something risk taking is so

202:54goddamn critical because it forces you to action and it forces you to be inspired and to get fired up and that's when things really take place yeah it really is like that's and that's one of the things that Scott Adams has said sort of about the election is that there's such chaos now but whatever happens after out of chaos something new will happen may not be good immediately may not be bad immed we don't know what that will be but the chaos the chance the risk will now allow for something else to happen so all these people who you know all these pundits who got everything wrong for the last year and oh it's going to be Rubio it's going to be Cruz blah blah it's like they'll now tell you everything else that there going to happen for the next year and they're going to get all that wrong but out of chaos something happens and that's what I realized I had a path I

203:36had a salary and I was doing fine and I liked working at Aura and Larry King's been great to me and it was all good but I just had this feeling of like I got to try this I got to try this and it worked i' be in a very different position if it didn't work you know yeah you don't want to be that guy who just wishes they took that chance and you're still working for some company and they still treat you like I mean because you know that's you know that in that sense you're the person making the phones you're not the person with the idea yeah and the person with the idea especially if you're a smart guy like you are like it's you do yourself a disservice if you don't express yourself completely fully and and without any reserve or or any reservations and when you're working for someone you always have a reservation you're always worried man you're always you always like biting

204:21your tongue or flavoring your words or you know they come into your office and go Dave you know been really hard on Clinton I think it's really important Mike you know the the produ uh producer is a he's got hashtag I'm with her on his Twitter account and we just wanted you to just think about doing that like criticize her if you choose to but be balanced be balanced you're being real like you're being silly but you're also being real because that is the real that's going on there with her yeah you know you got to have the hashtag Janette the president of the company is going to come down and talk to you about a lot of the things you said I don't know necessarily disagree yeah have been kind of misogynist you know and maybe just a little bit unsupportive of women's issues and uh this company's very Progressive and we really feel strongly that that's the kind of that that

205:04and you don't get to Progressive so you should think exactly like we do you have to be Dave Rubin with a mortgage who's worried about losing his job and that's that's not good for business it's not good for thinking it's not good for humans it's not good for the business of culture and I don't mean business but the the Endeavor the Endeavor of culture the Endeavor of culture requires like sort of some sort of an open discourse you know and that includes like Wikileaks okay that's a part of the open discourse when you tell someone like Chelsea Manning that they can't let anybody know about this horrific that's going on that you know is illegal you've you've set up this sort of a system where you're stopping data from going through you're stopping people from communicating and you're going to ultimately stop people from expressing their opinion on what was communicated which is going

205:48to stop progress what are you a Russian hacker you sympathy for this must be I'm just a pot smoking hippie with no hair all of us are just people Dave Ruby I think that's one of the things that's going to come out when the dust settles and we pick a new king or queen we're going to figure out what do you think is going to happen now that we've been talking this going win and everyone's going to hate her and it's going to be record record number of people that are intolerant and say crazy and you know and we're going to have to all figure out a way to get along do you see any situation where we wake up or tomorrow night that Trump's president 100% yeah yeah I do I don't think it's going to happen I would think I think most likely Hillary's going to win but I absolutely could see just some giant up where the mass media has been lied to by polls and by public

206:42opinion and I don't think necessarily polls are very accurate anymore because I don't think people choose to take polls very often they mostly call landlines when's the last time you had a landline exactamundo I had a joke about that in my last special like like maybe you're dealing with 1% like the problem with polls is the people who answer polls yeah that's the problem have you ever been ped ever never exactly exactly so it's it's a weird thing that we're doing here where we're basing that on polls exit polls are different it's a little bit different but that was way off um dur with uh Al Gore right I mean they icted Al Gore to be apparently he was like the popular winner right was he won the popular yeah why doesn't he run going on I'm not a huge I know it's very cool to say you like Al Gore I'm not an Al Gore guy dare you I feel you know you know what Al Gore did he uh

207:31he created current Television right and then that you know then eventually when he it was a failure as a network it was purging money and then he had a choice he could he had a couple offers on the table could have sold it to Glenn Beck but I guess he doesn't like Glenn's Beck politics that's fine he sold it to Al jazer which is owned by the government of Qatar that puts out more fossil fuel oil garbage the same stuff that he rails against all day long and he sold him that so he basically did the producers he used all his all of his connections and money as vice president to get a network on the air because it's incredibly hard to get into the cable system so he used all his leverage to get there created a failure and he walked away I think with $500 million and it was all funded sold it to qar and it was in many ways funded by his humanitarian campaign to alert the world

208:18to the dangers of global warming that was what gave him credibility so that's a Cosby situation right there it's a Cosby you'll see and on that note we're going to wrap it up with that Dave Rubin that was just uh three and a half hours holy yeah I I honestly had no idea I have no when I'm on stage or when I'm doing my show I have no sense of time well don't do three and a half hour shows man people get pissed they look at their watch what's the longest one was it was it Sam 4 hours what's your longest one oh I don't know man um five and a half for fight companions yeah we've done some long podcasting here I can't shut the up good job for me listen I am now going to publicly you've already agreed to do it but I'm publicly you got to you got to come on my show I'll do it I know you will but now little gu at the end if we've had a nice report it was been a

209:04great conversation thank you very much sir and how do people get your podcast where can they go youtube.com/ Ruben report Ruben report.com you know Ruben report on Twitter we're on the iTunes it's it's my branding gu is pretty good report you respect all right we'll see you soon bye thanks brother thank you