Duncan Trussell

00:10man we're live oh wow feels live too how do you know it went live I trust this guy you just sense it when it happens he tells me oh he gives me a countdown okay I see he gives me a countdown and then he does this oh that's cool I'm trying to bring that back when you see see people and you like them you give them the double double guns it's a hard hard sell these days why everybody's scared of guns oh you're saying is a people don't think it's funny you know like if the odds of you doing it you have to do it within a certain amount of time from a mass shooting right yes like you couldn't do it the day of it couldn't be like a Coline you're like Duncan people like wow he's so morose what a up sense of humor that guy's got he's making fun day of how could you why is that funny to him that is not F I can't believe you're doing those signs can I sit down and talk to you for a second bro don't

01:09you think it's time it's time to really talk about using these gun gestures because honestly I know it's not really hurting anybody but we have to pay respect to the people who have lost their lives from these terrible weapons and I just think we should remove it for for reals you just show me the replacement Emoji apple has a new emoji got R the pistol and they put they turn into a water gun I'll tell you man every time I looked at that old pistol emoji and this is no joke when I used to look at it it just filled me with a desire to go shoot up a shopping mall that emoji so I'm glad they got rid of it me May me want to go back to the old west H I wanted to be like a cowboy maybe if they had Sho wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait Apple adds more gender diverse emojis in iOS 10 that's what happen please explain I just Googled a new

02:02Emoji to find the water pistol and this is what came up first how dare you how dare you bring this up 100 new and redesigned Emoji characters including no more guns Fe oh female athletes okay that's cool that's cool oh so okay gender diverse all right I'm I'm a little too high for this show I was thinking gender neutral go look at those bees those are some sweet new emojis that's actually cool nothing wrong with that emojis are weird it's weird when like Friends start sending you emojis cuz like for the longest time guys never sent emojis no way and now it's happening I love them man what a useful thing yeah the animated gifts and the emojies praise God in heaven it's so great it saves so much time it gets across so much more language is so limited man we have to like it really is there's I think we're going to hieroglyphs what do you eventually yeah I think that's what

03:00these emojis are yeah right I think I think they are a modern version of hieroglyph that's right yeah they articulate so much you know it's like a very efficient form of language it just needs to get a little deeper so that the Emojis are animated a little bit so that they can you can sort of tune in the Emoji to the specific thing you're trying to convey to somebody instead of just a smiley face which they have in the Apple watch you can like kind of like you can control a little bit the smiley face emoji you just need to be able to dial it in a little bit more do you think by limiting like by keeping it more open-ended right like instead of having a bunch of like descriptives nouns and verbs and things like that instead of that having more of an open-ended idea like a smiley face yeah like a smiley face uh and then Knuckles which is like yo give me some Knuckles I'll see you

03:57later yeah you know what I mean like you can kind of like keep it in this weird non-defined State like we both know what it is yeah but it's not it's not written anywhere yeah and it relieves you of having to like compose some sentence do I use an exclamation mark here should I use a comma what do I need to say I just want to I'm going to see him in like 20 minutes it's way easier to do like an alien head a thumbs up and a smiley face that says everything it's fun too yeah yeah it's fun when someone sends you like an alien head and then a pile of and you're like what the hell does that mean how do I decipher this but yeah it's it's such a it's such a wonderful emerging language it just needs to get animated and you know the animated gifts are amazing for really going deep into how you're feeling some of them are awesome yeah they're fantastic they're fantastic it's so fun to send those

04:58things man yeah well memes I mean like internet memes really funny ones are really like a new kind of Comedy yeah it's like a short it's like these are jokes these are like punchlines but sometimes better than someone saying anything because you're seeing it right like uh Tom sagur had one on his page today uh with his face and uh it's h there's a popular one that keeps going around uh when you nut but she keeps sucking so look at Tom curas I mean this is in no way saying that he invented this because this is I I think he'd be the first had me he's he's piggybacking on a meme that we all know right right I don't know who wrote that first meme when you nut and she keeps like look at his face look at his face oh my God it's hilarious but this um this meme when you nut and she keeps hucking there's like hundreds of them have you seen them like just Google when you nut and

06:02she keeps sucking and then go to images and you'll be like oh my God there's so many wow look at that dude there's hundreds of these like wow I would like to know the percentage I'd like to know the percentage of people who have created these that have never gotten a I wonder what it is like 15 20 that's a good one that Superman one's a good one it's funny because you could put that on faces all throughout history you know chimp oh my God and there's also versions of it how you be when you bust but she keeps sucking or she's still sucking this guy's playing the chellow when you finish but she keeps sucking there's so many of them that might be like one of the most persistent jokes currently on the internet oh my god there a Bill Cosby one oh look they've got the one of the the the Indian guy who died during a speech had a stroke what yeah that guy just died oh

07:13I saw that on the Internet is that what happened he had a he had a stroke as he was speaking yes whoa see look you can look right before in that in the related images whoa that's incredible right before in the universe out of the universe wa in out and he died right there yeah I think well I mean depends on how you define death y bye out of here the best death that's crazy the best death that's one of the best deaths you're witnessing like he's he just made a great point that he thinks is kind of funny and then he die gone wow a blessed exit from this Incarnation that is a crazy image yeah um who is that guy do you know who he is nope hm how'd you find him Jamie just from the stack yeah that's a crazy story who like it's so funny when he died he guaranteed did not think he would land in a when you nut and she could keep sucking meme that the power of his death

08:18that he would shatter into a a million things and one of them is a meme well here's the thing about these memes there's guys who are like meme artists and they're really really funny and then there's also people that they kind of like Carlos Man memes oh yeah you know I probably should stop using that guy's name like that it's rude but what's really sad is everyone knows what that means yeah when you there was just someone just tweeted that uh there's a there's a product in the UK that stole Mitch hedberg's joke it's a rice product that has just written in the back his joke like when you want to eat rice when you want to eat 2,000 of the same things or whatever they like just popped that right on the back but they didn't credit him they credited the name of their mascot for the company well it's it's a problem with memes because people do it all the time like

09:15there's people that have pages with all their memes are someone else's that they don't give credit for right and then they get caught and then they have to start re you know retweeting stuff but sometimes you you retweet the wrong person you know you retweet someone who just copied it from somebody else I've had that happen more than once you don't know but they're funny so it's like what do you do do you just retweet it because you think it's funny and you laugh or should you hold on to it until you can find ownership of the meme yeah I mean I it's a good question right it's a good I think if you can give credit give credit but if we spend too much time getting caught up in meme distribution then we're going to lose what is so beautiful about the thing which is that I create some meme upload it to the internet and it either like just molders on imer or whatever or it just scatters in a

10:10trillion pieces everywhere there's something really cool and beautiful in that and I don't think meme transmitters are are thieves mostly there's just a few scumbags who take people's and don't credit them and then they get punished usually they get punished by the internet and severely absolutely but there have been a bunch of people that have done it and they're now making money off of it that that's where it gets weird because there's a bunch of people that are just really funny and maybe they're introverts and they never were really good at cracking jokes socially because they they're nervous but they're funny they have a funny mind and so this is a form of joke writing and joke telling yeah a really good one too so somebody had to be the first person to come up with when she you know when you come but she keeps sucking someone has to be so this is

11:03like this massive plagiarism that we're all laughing at yeah but you know is that what it is I don't think I I mean how do you like that guy deserves credit cuz he is funny right the guy who invented it first yeah that's a funny guy like that was a good idea it's funny he he definitely deserves credit for it so I know what you're saying but then eventually you're going to like I guess you can Watermark Your Meme right you see that but eventually thek is going to get taken off CU you know people are putting in news well yeah it's I mean the second one is there's hundreds of different images so like you could never Watermark that and what's very funny about it is the take the word come for example there was a first human who for whatever reason decided to call his ejaculation come he just decided on who the was that guy there's first that's a huge point cuz it's that's

11:59Universal it's Universal yeah how do you trace it back I mean every single word that a human being uses theoretically you could follow it backwards through time in the same way you follow any organic life form you can it's called atmology you can look at the weird uh way that language mutates over time and you know that somewhere way way back in the back of the line there had to be somebody who's like we'll call it a mountain or whatever the precursor term for Mountain was somebody was like it's a someone does that right has to right yeah has to someone so isn't that the idea that at one point in time we all had a universal language but it became a giant issue because people were sort of conspiring and they were they were they were talking too much so one of the ways that God had separated us I might be butchering the story you're talking about the Tower of yeah yeah

12:57they wanted to construct a tower to reach heaven and God was I guess like that it's like when ants get in your house or whatever they're they're getting too advanced do you think that's a reverse engineered idea like do you think that's someone who maybe has experience like brief moments of human potential and realized like we're missing out on what people are capable of there's got to be a way where we could all come together excuse me but when there's people from one country like Japan and they're arguing with someone from Germany and how much of what the each person is saying is even getting through you know I mean you're having translators you're supposed to be going to war with people you don't even understand what they're saying right right imagine that yeah we we could all speak to each other we all could speak one language what would happen what I

13:45mean isn't that like maybe what that Tower of Babel's all about sort of like a reverse engineered with a like almost saying like the imagine the power the Godlike power people could have if they could all openly and honestly communicate with each other freely and ex ex experience this idea that we're not we're not you're not my enemy because you're born over there right like this is nonsense this is some crazy old that we should have abandoned a long time ago you are looking in the Bible those stories one thing that I just did I'm so glad you brought this up just for fun uh one of my favorite uh in the New Testament my favorite gospel is the Book of John and the very beginning of the book of John is some of the trick I you'll ever read but I went back to that and so I did a find and replace anyone can do this it's so cool find and replace the word god with the programmer

14:41and then you can start replacing words with modernday uh simulation Theory ideas so you know um when it talks about Jesus it's like he was sent into the simulation to bring an up upgrade and those that accepted the upgrade would be Children of the programmer you start doing that and suddenly you look at this like amazing it gets really trippy right so when you talk about the Tower of Babel and you look at it from the perspective of this is a simulation being run by some intelligent Creator Force right right so you see again and again well not again and again but right now I can think of two times where the programmer looks at the simulation it's like oh they're about to uh wake up like the same way that Elon Musk is worried about AI becoming too powerful the in the Bible the programmer gets really uncomfortable when the simulation appears to be gaining too much power and

15:45has to like shift the programming a little bit because there appears to be some kind of in the mythology of the Bible there seems to be a recurring nervousness that the S the the programmer gets when it seems like the simulation is about to reach some certain level of power or awareness this is in the Book of Genesis they say you know they ate of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil gained self-awareness and there was another tree they weren't supposed to eat from the Tree of Life and the uh God says it's weird because in the Quran and in the Bible God it's referred to as like the plural rather than the singular so God doesn't the the verse is something like you know know if they eat from the Tree of Life they will become like us right not like me like us so there's like uh we can't keep these we have to keep these beings somewhat curtailed because we don't know what

16:42they're going to do if they gain too much power that's in the mythology of the thing and it kind of works from the simulation Theory perspective if we're a simulation that's on the precipice of a kind of Singularity which would be the simulation somehow becoming self-aware then for whatever reason whoever's running the show doesn't want that to happen or hasn't wanted it to happen throughout time you know well it's also if you're talking about like eating from the Tree of Life and becoming like them uh I mean that is about as psychedelic as you can get you're literally talking about eating something and becoming a God yeah you're talking about eating from the tree like what is the Tree of Life everybody's like oh whatever yeah whatever it's a tree it's you know what God there was trees back then sure like this if you're a literal believer of the Bible you have to think that there was

17:36not just an experience where God showed up right not just this this this thing that happened where God came down he spoke to you and elevated you no you're saying people shouldn't eat from a tree oh yeah because they could become a God yeah I mean that's kind of where if you're translating stuff from ancient Hebrew to Greek to Latin to to all these different languages to English you you know that there's some weird being lost along the way and one of them is probably calling it a tree right because we didn't even know there's a amazing Radio Lab out that's it's out right now it's about um about trees and the the intelligence of trees and that trees communicate and that they share resources and they allocate resources toward the needier ones they have this interaction with fungus this symbiotic relationship with fungus it is incredible man where the fungus are

18:33eating these microscopic bugs and getting their nutrients from these microscopic bugs and that's where the trees are getting their nutrients from and some of them get them from from salmon there's trees that were like they got 70% of their nitrogen from salmon because bears would eat under these trees they would eat and they would leave like fish heads under the trees and like the Bears would continue to return to these same trees and these trees would eat the fish the the the fungus inside their soil the micro risal relationship that they have it's amazing man it's amazing dude they're they're a life form that we are sleeping on yeah this is plants like and this is not a dig against anybody who's a vegetarian or anyone on the other end of the the spectrum that only eats meat for take the ideologies out like the cuz everybody knows that I eat meat or

19:27everybody that listens to this podcast as and I I've had issues with people before that are prosti vegans and I understand that you're doing it for a good reason then you're doing it for the the right purposes and I'm I'm happy for everybody that that is living their life that way if you're enjoying it and you're healthy let's all just let that go just look at this for a second forget about what you're eating what plants are is some strange intelligent network of organisms and when I say intelligent I don't say it can do math I'm not saying it can send emails and and create Moon Rockets but they communicate with each other there's something going on they don't need to do all those other things we defined intelligence far too frequently by what we have created and what what we can do with our fingers and with our mouths and with our ability to communicate with each other audibly in a

20:21in a a manner where I'm talking in you're hearing and we don't respect other forms of communication because of this we're so attached to our idea of what communicating is we're ignoring some really basic yeah with how these plants and these fungi communicate with each other they're they're they're not just communicating with each other they're sending signals if one of them is getting eaten they're sending signals through the air and it's forcing the other plants to change the way they taste to discourage predation they're communicating when they're hurt wow dude they allocate resources to more needy plants they find out who in the network is needy and they allocate resources this this Radio Lab is fascinating that's cool man they share resources with these microbes or with with these fungus you you and and also because you were saying well they can't send emails

21:11but if you look at I mean in in you separated the human biome somehow from the plant kingdom which you can't do we're completely connected to the plant kingdom because we need oxygen to live so we are deeply deeply wov into that uh fabric of intelligence that you're talking about to the point that we actually kind of grow out of that fabric in of intelligence because we have a symbiotic relationship with plants uh just to to exist on Planet Earth so you're talking about uh the what is called have you heard of the web of Indra no the web of Indra or could it's also called the net of Indra or the web of Indra what is this from uh this is Hinduism so so the idea is that a way to explain the sort of interconnected connectedness of all things is this like imagine like a web or a net where at every single Nexus point there is a jewel the jeweled net avendra that's

22:14what it's called so then uh now imagine that every creature on earth or in this universe that has any kind of sence at all composes a tiny little Jewel on this net and so this net is every jewel is connected via like whatever connects us to plants everything is connected that's alive which means that any slight movement in any of these Jewels creates a vibration that rolls through Infinity through the entire net of Indra affecting all o other sentient beings in some small way it's basically the idea is any there it is the jeweled net of Indra so anything that you do it gets sort of vibrated through the rest of the thing anything that happens in the micro happens in the macro macro happens in the micro it's a beautiful idea man and and and it seems like this new discovery that's come out about plants has uh in some way really shined shown a light on the complexity of that incredible net

23:23you know cuz it's so complex cuz then it gets down to probably the quantum level too I mean if you think of the quantum reactions happening inside the plants to create these biochemical shifts it's startling when you imagine all the weird chemical and atomic movement that's happening inside of the thing itself it's overwhelmingly beautiful and hard to imagine that we get to be a piece of it which is pretty cool but the plants are sending email you know because we are the plants the plants are us the plants are affect fting remember McKenna always talked about exop pheromones remember that exop pheromones you'd say that Mar that plants have pheromones that they put out to like what you're saying to discourage predation bring in bees I like that I said predation like I'm smart but it's a great word but the um uh so uh he would say that psychedelics marijuana DMT these are EXO

24:24pheromones from the vegetable world I can't do a a can impression but these are exop feromon coming into our biome and shifting our Consciousness in a way to try to manipulate our Behavior a little bit and and also you know all the stuff coming out of the gut biome too like not only is there this flourishing vegetable Kingdom that is like clearly alive and has its own alien intelligence but we've got gut biomes filled with these bacteria that could theoretically be controlled in our Cravings right so we're being manipulated by these colonies of alien beings living in our guts telling us get another candy bar man wouldn't that be good Isn't that cool that's so true yeah it's so true there's this Darkness inside you that wants that Sugar it's a little demon a little demon that feeds off sugar well it's a modern it's a modern it's a modern way of saying demonic possession in the old

25:27days be like you got a demon now it's like well your gut biome is craving carbohydrates to survive look if you've got the plague how is that any different than you being attacked by vampires right something's trying to kill you do we we take comfort in the idea that it's some microscopic thing that we can't even see does that makes you feel better that looks a lot weirder than a vampire by the way a lot weirder it's not a It's Not A well-dressed man with a cape and fangs you're looking at some kind of strange globular transforming bit of plasma that's swimming around inside of you actively trying to destroy you he can't see it he can't even see it we didn't even find them to like what when when did they invent microscopes if you had a guess 1800s I couldn't guess that and that's a sad thing man I couldn't guess that let me I'm going to guess I think Brian Ken

26:21was talking about this in relationship to them discovering bacteria with surgery oh no it was Chris I think it was Chris Ryan I think Chris Ryan might have been the first one I don't remember I'm I'm giving people credit I'm not sure but um the idea was that they didn't know what what bacteria was for like a long time they didn't wash their hands and people died of horrible infections when they were able to do surgery on people it's like oh good the the guy so this is I can't remember the guy's name you maybe can find it Jamie it's the guy he was he realiz so doctors would apparently uh they would like do autopsies on corpses to try to understand how the human body worked it used to be illegal it's like a big deal to cut open a corpse so doctors were studying corpses and apparently they didn't know you should wash your hands after you handle a corpse so you would

27:12like around with a Corps and then go deliver a baby oh my God right and and the babies there was a very high infant mortality rate so I can't remember his name but a doctor discovered oh wow mindblowing idea you should wash your hands before you deliver a baby and there it is yeah he ended up in a mental Asylum because they weren't listening to him and uh apparently a doctor said gentlemen do not need to wash their hands oh my God a gentlem a gentleman does not wash his hands because they're just innately clean so yeah man people had no idea they thought that your come was filled with tiny little men you know like little humans were in there like tiny little yeah yeah why did they think that until until the microscope I imagine until finally someone came on a microscope how long after the invention of the microscope did someone shoot a load on one three

28:14minutes exactly however long it took to reach orgasm after building it well it's like we were talking about virtual reality we're like how long before they made a porn I mean when the moment they came up with oculus we we knew I think it's a matter of time yeah matter of time and they did it and they did it and it is going to create some hilarious earthquakes and a lot of different relationships and marriages because people are going to have to uh define whether or not a hologram is a form infidelity like you're going to have to make a rule for that in in your relationship is it okay to a hologram not alive not a person but looks like it's you looking you right in the eyes right in the eyes oh my god dude yeah it's pretty weird because your brain when a hologram is looking at you in the eyes in a loving way your brain doesn't reject it it's like oh wow I think this girl

29:28really likes me oh wait it's a hologram but in one millisecond you get this feeling of like strange connection which is uh and again we're in the most rudimentary parts of VR only apparently only I just read this it might have been a dated article but only a 100,000 people or so own an HTC Vive if that's drastically off you guys I'm sorry but not a lot of people have VR goggles right now so not a lot of people and there's a lot of us who who are ear beating people at parties who clearly just don't want to hear about it any more than you want to hear about someone talking about a dream but there's a huge group of people right now that are having some of the most psychedelic mind-bending experiences through technology and they can't even talk about it or describe it to people because when you describe it it's like you're talking about a dream but you're

30:21like no this is happening to a lot of us right now we're going into alternate Dimensions via techn techology and hanging out there enjoying it experiencing the freedom uh from the confines of being constantly in infinitely located in whatever physical space your body happens to be inhabiting to suddenly remove that weight and now I can pop these things on and instantly translocate to some art universe that some Geniuses created around shoot a arrows wander through Minecraft have sex with two uh girls who I was apparently going to throw out of my house if they didn't me that's what the porn is I have which by the way I'd never do that but in this universe I guess that's what I did w yeah so they're kind of rapy what it's not rapy it's just like please I don't have money for the rent can I suck your dick oh so it's her idea oh yeah you're not rap you're not raping

31:26her so it's not like look you got to you got to give up some other otherwise I'm kicking you the street you could say it if you want into the porn I mean you could say whatever you want wait a minute you you have a microphone you have a microphone but you can talk to it if you want to be a weirdo CU there but okay how long before you can talk to it how long before it talks back to you well that's you're going to look you're looking at like uh so we got to figure out a way to either I mean I imagine that probably exists in some rudimentary way for some kind of CGI Style porn but to be able to like instantaneously communicate with live video porn you're going to need some kind of AI that I don't think we probably have just yet or we are probably on the but yes that will happen it's coming oh that's definitely going to happen I watched exmachina again on

32:12the plane the other day I watched it for the second time yeah that's cool it's just as good the second time that movie freaks me out man why because the girl's so beautiful and she's so she's so attractive like you know that guy you could see as much as he knew that she was a robot as much as he knew that he wasn't a robot as as much as he knew that she was artificial he he was in love with her and she was amazing and it seemed like she cared about him and when she was talking to him for real like when the lights went out and the camera was down spoiler alert and she was like don't trust him I'm like this is like a real person it's a real person she's thinking like a person it's a person and he's like completely locked into this idea that it's a person he's hypnotized it's a person I mean I don't this whole distinction between artificial intelligence and intelligence is the

33:02same as the distinction between virtual reality and reality it's just like another human attempt to be in control of something you want you want to say oh I'll tell you if this is reality or not oh this is virtual reality this isn't reality reality but it's like oh really so reality is compartmentalized into places where there's if something is created by a human oh no that's not real reality even though humans are real reality is reality intelligence is intelligence because the intelligence is inhabiting something that isn't the human vessel it goes back to what we were talking about earlier what because it's not in a meat body now it's artificial intelligence how is why intelligence is intelligence yeah and again I I think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier that we try to Define intelligence by our own measures like the ability to write something down the

33:54ability to move how about that we we have that erably connected to intelligence you have to be able to move to show me your thinking and communicating right like despite what what this woman was saying the scientist on this Radio Lab podcast is that she goes I don't want to say that there're she's like it's hard to say that if they're intelligent it's hard to say but what's going on is their Network closely resembles a brain right the way it looks and also the way it's it's operating they it's it has neuronlike responses yeah there's there's data being passed back and forth that we're just not we not you not me for sure we don't we're not doing any research but these people we are someone I'm saying we as in humans they're just figuring this out really recently yeah I think everything has a conscience or a Consciousness rather I think every everything that you eat and I think

34:48that obviously plants for the most part are like way less violent than animals you know like when you're taking in plants it's just it it seems to make sense that it would be like a more peaceful existence like the way you think about it like you're you're just consuming plants like look at all the animals that only consume plants right they're all like really peaceful yes but then the animals that consume animals and plants they got to get dirty yes those animals get the ones that only meet those are the scary ones yeah you're right yeah they yeah well it kind of makes sense I mean 100% you need different tools for yeah taking down a deer than you do for eating a piece of broccoli well it's just I think people are trying to like move away from the system that requires the violence and like a part of that the idea of that is to eat plants yeah because like even if

35:46you're eating a life form you are you're you're you're less involved in violent activity like if you're eating meat you're involved in violent activity right some way even fish you're involved in some sort of violent activity those fish have to be they don't just instantaneously die they got to be yanked into another dimension beat over the head with wooden clubs thrown into ice chest chest where they'll flop and gasp for air until they finally go still I mean that's what happens when you eat fish man you know it is one thing that's very that that all this indicates is how there's so much compassion inside of human beings because whether you eat meat or whether you eat vegetarian diet if you're thinking about this it's really cool that's one of the cool things about us is that we have this sense of like man this does seem to be a violent thing that I'm doing here I know this thing

36:40I'm eating has suffered to some degree that I would never want anyone I know to suffer or myself you know so there's compassion there man and and we want to live in a world where we don't hurt the things and if you do want to live in a world where you hurt things well then you're probably in a lot of pain yourself right but so then but you get this is man this is the babad Gita because the babad Gita starts with a warrior R June looking out on this uh this massive Army and saying to God the charioteer I see my friends here I see fathers and teachers and men that I respect uh by killing them don't I destroy my own soul wouldn't it be better to go off into the forest and live as a renunciate than to to gain all the wealth in the world but to have the blood of my uh teachers on my hands and this is the beginning of the bagabag and you would think because it's one of

37:50Gandhi's favorite books that the response would be you're right let's not kill let's not fight we're going to go in the woods but the response God says you speak words of wisdom but you do not understand that's the beginning of the bav a that's where it starts is here's why you fight here's why you have to kill sometimes here's why there is action in the universe that will result in pain and suffering and this uh is to me the best like answer to all of this is uh when Krishna Reveals His Universal form as it's C called he he comes this monstrous thing and Arjun is describing what he's seeing and this is the Oppenheimer quote I am become death destroyer of worlds and arjin is saying I see in your teeth the limbs of all humans being chewed and eaten you're consuming everything you're eating everything is basically what he's saying and and then he says can you please turn

38:58back into my friend cuz it's so intense to see that and so the response is okay let's stop killing everything but look you're getting eaten by the universe no matter what you do you're being ground to dust by the force of time there is no escape from this you are in the digestive tract of a being that is gradually transforming you into nothingness depending on what you want to believe unless you think that there's some Eternal Perpetual soul in which case the digestive system is freeing you from the uh the terrible and limited enclosure of the human body either way man we are being shifted in a dramatic and beautiful way and as that's happening to think that you can somehow not realize what you are which is you are one of the digestive organs in the universe you are no matter what you do man you are completely wiping beings out of the universe at every single

40:08second if your immune system's working those sweeties who burrowed into your skin and gotten into your mucous membranes you're wiping them out your blood cells are heartlessly killing them and then maybe you had an ant on your counter when you drove your car I'd say there's a 60% to 90% chance you probably ran over some tiny little bug that was walking across the street you can't live in this universe without killing things and um uh and you too are being killed so you're like a in the D you're like a a little bit of stomach acid helping to dissolve a steak you're a little bit of the digestive process of the universe killing and uh outputting energy from that destruction that's just what everything is really not to like justify a meat diet if you could become a vegetarian do it be a vegetarian if it draw if you're drawn to it it is a more peaceful thing well for

41:06sure factory farming is a giant issue for anybody with a conscience then when you get into other forms of acquiring meat then things get more complicated because uh if you're talking about hunting in particular that's not easy for everybody to do it's almost impossible for everybody to do um so then you would have to have ethical farming and then you'd have to decide what is ethical how do what is ethical I mean free range chickens yeah free range cows free range chickens um you know and you did have to decide that there's certain cycle of Life involved here and then you're willing to take part in it for your own health you're going to decide I I'd like this my body functions better on this so I'm going to I'm going to allow this to happen or or help it partici help participate in it but um I think when you see a bear eat a salmon that bear is not think thinking for a

41:58second about the feelings of that salmon it's just holding it down and tearing it apart with no hesitation whatsoever when we reap lettuce from the ground are we doing a more complicated version of that are we pretending that this thing is this non-fe non-thinking thing because it doesn't move and it can't send emails but is it possible that all these things that we call life all these things have a Consciousness everything does squirrels people monkeys alphalpha oh yeah all that it's yeah it's a it's a this is what I was thinking as I've been doing VR having so many philosophical thoughts based on this incredible technology so this what I started thinking is the human all living things are like organic virtual reality goggles right so like a squirrel is a is like a kind of virtual reality goggle that the universe is gazing through in the form of a squirrel's reality right so this

43:02Consciousness this intelligence it's like an omnipresent force and every living thing is like a faucet that its life is this Intelligence coming through and expressing itself based on the energetic system of the particular conduit that it's coming through so a living squirrel is a portal that is opened up to the intelligence of the Universe temporarily and when that intelligence flows through the squirrel the way electricity runs through a motherboard uh then it's a it's it's animated right and so when the squirrel dies that it's not as though the intelligence is gone it's just that that particular conduit shuts while there's a billion other conduits in any biome filled with that intelligence pouring through it um and behaving according to the way whatever the is that it's coming through and the same way that if you have a if you have uh different AI

44:03programs with different codes it's still processing the same energy it's just the energy is being transformed based on whatever the specific system is you know so when we eat meat we're in a weird way eating the virtual reality goggles that some thing was that Infinity was using to experience reality and that reality that Infinity was experiencing through the VR goggles that you're eating inside your bun was not a great uh experience you know so composed in those in that goggle in that life form that you're eating this is what the har Krishna say is all the fear all the terror all the the momentum of that being's life somehow gets encoded into the uh atomic structure of the meat that you're consuming and so you take a little bit of that suffering into you and that degrades your life in some slight way that totally makes sense totally makes sense that there's

45:09something that gets through it I mean why would we assume that your diet isn't if you're eating biological particles why would we assume they have no influence on us like we would we would think that they we just no I just I broke it down to protein and water and that's it there's no no chicken suffering in there at all you any chicken suffering no way not a not a trace of it but why not Dull a dullness just a dull chicken suffering that you get in your mouth yeah just a I know what is gu delicious chicken but there's an undertone of existential Horror in my chicken like a waxy film on the inside of your mouth yeah just chicken sadness yeah well man I can remember like when when I was a kid we didn't you know like you kind of knew the animals were like people just were a lot like I'm reading listening to the audio book rather of Moby Dick uh the Frank Mueller narration you ever read that

46:07book who's Frank Mueller Frank Mueller uh is the guy is the vo actor who narrated The Dark Tower series by Stephen King and he is the best and so I can't there's no way I'm reading Moby Dick but listening to someone who understands what he's reading helps you understand it and uh cuz he puts the inflection in the right place yeah the inflections are in the right place and he's clearly some kind of Super Genius who just gets Moby Dick and he understands every single passage that Melville endlessly writes about the very the deepest details of whales man Melville loved whales and the book it it is like a sort of portal into before they knew that whales were mammals right so you know they thought they were fish Leviathan right isn't that funny that we make that distinction let's talk about that like if they're FISH them oh they're mammals they're us right right right we

47:04can't do that we got we got weird teams we got teams we're on okay so I'll answer to that if to use the virtual reality goggle example let's imagine there's like 15 different virtual reality goggles on the table that represent a kind of spectrum of um technological advancement so here we've got a I don't know remember in the old days you used to have those like uh those stupid viewfinders you could flip through and look at okay so on one side we have a viewfinder and on the other side we've got some that doesn't even exist yet some neural uh interface you put it on a harmonic magnetic field interacts with your brain and you not only go into a location but you experience the memories emotions thoughts and dreams of the Avatar within the game you literally be become the figure that's on the other side of the spectrum right so here we have this sort of like spectrum of potential experience

48:04I think it would be safe to say that uh the experience of a broccoli right just based on the tech in there versus the experience of like a I don't know a MIT student genius who's like com healthy I'd say that you could say that there's a varying levels of experience as to what is being experienced who's to say now that I say it I think I'm totally wrong I'm sorry for the rant I guess as I at the very end of it the some part of me's like just shut up man that's wrong that's not it so forgive me you guys I try with that one it just it it flopped in my own brain they don't all land they don't all land if they did it wouldn't be fun it wouldn't be fun but I will admit when they don't land and that definitely I think you're right man why do we make the distinction it's like godamn it it's a weird distinction I mean it's an intelligence distinction we just decide

49:07the fish are stupid as but you know what they're not here's the here's where they're not here's one thing we eat all the time that is probably as smart as a monkey that's an octopus oh I know yeah we eat octopus all the time they are crazy smart have you ever seen the the new video that they put out of an octopus going through a key a hole rather the size of a quarter yeah man yeah I I did see that it's crazy it's it's amazing like what they can do to their bodies is insane yeah McKenna loved them right like he was like in love with octopi is that the plural octopi that's a good question he was in love with them he thought that they were like the ability to have multiple appendages that and and and the the crazy camouflage abilities they have would combine to really um open up new levels of communication that humans don't have because it seems like he was uh he was a little frustrated by

50:04the limitation of the human vocabulary and the way we emote things to articulate the universe so it'd be nice to have a bunch of different limbs that had no bones that you can turn any which way while shifting colors that beats emoticons by a long shot man I mean they can change color and they shoot ink into the air and he he was the one that I first heard speculate that the ink when they shoot ink into the air that it might be like a race of fluid like look how small that hole is and look at this big ass Octopus get through this tiny hole I mean you would look at that hole and you would like there's no way but these things not only can they get out of a hole like that but they can walk on land for long periods of time climb back up into their fish tanks lift the lid get inside I mean they're aliens man that's I mean that might as well be on another planet we're just used to it because

51:00it's on Earth that thing is a giant bulbous head long movable arms he knows how to unscrew jars and he's got like a kind of like cool relaxed look on his face just like he's he's definitely relaxed they're emotionless they're very strange it's a very strange being it's very different than a fish and uh but it lives with fish so it I mean they're probably as smart as whales everything is alive that's the ultimate th the that's the final place you got to get to is that you are a part of a superorganism that is stretching through time in the form of every generation of thing that ever lived and it's currently like a it's like this being that has an infinite number of appendages that represent all living forms of life on Earth and just like the same way that like you investigate a thing all these impend appendages have wrapped around the planet and they're probing probing

52:06probing probing probing the planet so it's like every living thing is the very end of an interdimensional super intelligent appendage you know this is kind of like the uh uh Hitchhiker's Guide of the Galaxy where he said that mice are just the uh ends of the tentacles of a interdimensional creatur studying scientists that laboratory mice he was a genius but um in the same way when you look at like every single living being on Earth is actually protruding from a a a you know generation after generation of being that stretches back to the beginning of organic life on planet Earth so it's like Earth suddenly gets life how who the knows my theory aliens but who knows maybe just randomly happened who knows but so suddenly springing from the Earth are these very rudimentary organisms that over the course of Millennia gradually stretched out and changed to become various types of

53:11devices to study the crevices crannies and and and air of this planet until eventually it became monkeys and the monkeys became people and now we're like a very Advanced scope that is peering into the atomic and Atomic level of the thing but when you look at a squirrel's life a eagle's life a uh salmon being eaten by a bear's life it's interesting to consider that what you're seeing is an infinite number of Scopes through which something that appears to be either investigating this Dimension or just enjoying being in it is coming through you know that seems to be what's happening that is an idea that gets echoed in in um uh in like some Eastern philosophies and uh some uh it's it's an interesting take on it for sure well what what's definitely happening is there's some consumption going on consu everything's consuming something yeah that's what this one of the things about this Radio

54:12Lab podcast it was so fascinating where it was talking about these fungi devouring microscopic insects and um also like literally tapping into rocks for minerals it's really really intense stuff and having this intense relationship with these plants where they're feeding off the root systems and the root systems are feeding them and they're feeding the root systems they're exchanging sugar and uh and minerals yeah it's really crazy dude it's I mean it's really really bizarre they were talking about miles and miles of these microscopic Fung fungi in the soil in a tiny piece of soil you miles and miles of microscopic yeah yeah the mycelium right yeah so like so when you okay it's everything's eating itself but if you imagine that what you're looking at is actually only one half of the thing because we can't see into the nothingness that happens after death

55:09then it could be that you're actually looking at one just one part of a process right you're seeing just one you're you're seeing a limited part of an infinite process that's happening where death is just one piece of it but the thing that dies doesn't uh um isn't annihilated it no go ahead it's not it doesn't go so the idea is it's like okay what you are is uh a thing growing out of time right you're growing from that which is not into that which is or that which is not known to that which is is known because where you where were you before you died who knows before you born before you were born oh right same thing according to some religions but uh so when you look at that as part of a Continuum right instead of just like you are born and then you die and then nothingness if you look at it as part of a energetic Continuum of which we can only witness

56:09this particular part of the Continuum we don't have the technology yet to peer into the other part of the Continuum so if you look at it as a actual cycle then the brutality of the universe becomes a little less significant because you realize like oh no it's just like things diving out of the nothingness into the somethingness returning to the nothingness in the same way a dolphin jumps up and goes back down into the sea that's what we're doing only when we dive into time we take on a form when we dive out of time we become the formless and then we come back out of time again that's reincarnation it's reincarnation is sorry if I've said it on this podcast before but reincarnation is like a dolphin trick only in this case the trick that you're doing is called your Incarnation and the particular way that you live whether it's as it is for most people a kind of failure because

57:04how the are you going to figure out what to do when you dive into time for such a temporary fleeting lifetime like to suddenly to be able to do back flips and it's maybe you're not going to be able to do that right away but you dive out of time or out of nothingness come into somethingness incarnate incarnate incarnate here we are as a being have a life and then you go back into the nothingness again and so the people that we are most Amazed by in history are just people who did really awesome tricks with their temporary human Incarnation as they came jumping out of the nothingness that's what we're in right now man just a temporary transitory state of harmonized atoms that have become aware of themselves that are about to go through a incredible energetic shift where you become nothing and then then maybe become something again for Infinity we have a real hard time having the

58:03perspective of your body turning into bacteria or bacteria consuming your body when you die of that not being a bad thing that it's a part of life and that you will be conscious inside that bacteria that maybe your Consciousness leaves this and travels with you with your cells and your DNA as you're being consumed yeah and it becomes a part of some gigantic Matrix and that's what maybe that's what you're tapping into when you're doing things like DMT when you hit that well of Consciousness whatever the that is that you hit when you you run into that sea of reality when I say reality like this but just intense Godlike no like there's it knows everything there's no it's like you and you you you have to abandon all your worldly thoughts abandon all your ideas of life and death and ego and just give in and be one with the whole thing and maybe that's what we

59:02do all the time when we're sleeping man I mean it's entirely possible that what we don't remember is existing in that realm and that that realm is something that we're just shut off from because for us to get done what we have to get done with this monkey body you can't be contemplating that all the time because you're not going to get done you're you're you're going to be you're going to be too philosophical you're going to be too confused you're going to be so blown away by the images of that other world that you you can't handle it so you just the reality of life just completely takes over Dude you didn't I mean I don't I don't think you meant to do it but you articulated when you said that the essence of so many different religious systems which is that here is this omnipresent infinite ever replenishing creative Matrix of intelligence that is so much bigger than I am that it's

60:00incomprehensible with and and and and like you said you have to let go of all your worldly ideas your thoughts your ego you have to let your ego die because what the are you going to do in the face of that thing are you going to hold on to the stuff you're proud of are you going to hold on to the the victories that you've achieved and your minute flickering human Incarnation when you're in the presence of the source of victory in the universe what are you going to do there what's the correct reaction to have if a thing like that were real and so depending on what religious system you subscribe to those all of those are answers to that question you know and you hear the answer coming up uh in a similar way usually which is you serve it you try to become a servant to it because cuz what else are you going to do are you going to you going to are you going to teach it are you going

60:57to show it how to do something are you going what are you going to show it how to do like hey guys relax I'm here uh I know you've been waiting for a long time Infinity but finally I'm amongst you with my wisdom of my 47 years on planet Earth as a tire salesman who finally does DMT for the first time everybody sit down I got it you come back yeah yeah let's start with roses I I like the color of them but maybe we make it a brighter red what do you think how about make it so dear don't want to eat them my mom she has a Garden she was always mad the deer was eating them roses yeah this is this is the um so this is the uh this is why I really love this baky yoga which is a because it like takes that idea there is a super intelligent creative force in the universe and and the word for it is bavan and it basically means maximum everything so ultimate Beauty ultimate

62:03intelligence ultimate attractiveness ultimate um you ultimate love it's the ultimate of ultimates right so this thing has um inadvertently it depends on what version of it probably not inadvertently but this thing has a c this it's so potent that the way it's interacting with time is that it's breaking into an infinite number of pieces that have all become semi or super aware so its Consciousness has dispersed itself through its creation and every single minute element like some fractal every single little piece of it is a possessor of this infinite Consciousness and so that infinite Consciousness is the source of love and and um it's basically uh lets you fall in love with it if you want to and it loves you too which is the what's really trippy to imagine just is a thought experiment man imagine that thing you just described that infinite thing the no thing that demands

63:14that you drop your history like a old nasty bag of imagine if that thing also was aware of you completely and also loved you imagine that man that's the craziest idea ever that's a crazy idea that's better than you know like when you like kind of like a girl and you start thinking like maybe you don't do this cuz you're a muscular super billionaire who's host the UFC but somebody like me when I if a girl starts liking you you start thinking like holy does this girl I think this girl likes me I think this beautiful incredibly beautiful girl likes me could this be that's the beginning of all love songs right that's the beginning of of like all human happiness is holy the girl I like likes me back I think she likes me holy I think she's falling in love with me this incredibly beautiful girl so Bak to yoga is that exact concept transferred to the universe so now

64:21you're like wait a minute this entire the source of all things in the universe has a personality and it seems to love me not in a tame way not in like uh the way that you might hear like Jesus loves you and then you imagine it being like that means you could go over to his house and sit down and have like a boring cup of tea and leave you know like that that that kind of love no this is a wild Savage unpredictable love the way best friend loves you or the way that like a comedian loves you which is like you don't know what the going to happen it's not the way a comedian loves you yeah you know like comedians are going to do weird if you're friends with comedians you're going to get a lot of like weird pictures sent to you you know on a regular basis you're going to get people calling you and playing tricks on you from time to time for no other reason than just to do it

65:21right but they love you they love you that's what's behind it so the same way this is the concept it's not a tame kind of love it'll kill you like it'll eat you but it still loves you and it'll eat you because it knows that you're just a pair of virtual reality goggles you're just a temporary flickering thing that's going to keep going on forever this ego and the survival mechanism is what makes us think that it's more important to root for our team like we have teams right so first of all we're Team primate don't e any primates once you get past team primate we're Team mammal so if you have a choice between killing a gigantic fish or killing a gigantic mammal that you thought was a fish you got to kill the fish so you can kill blue Marlins all day long bring those in chop them up in the staks but don't make oil for lamps out of the Moby Dick that's up make oil out of

66:16those sweeties the bad guy you're the bad guy and I agree you know for whatever reason especially with uh with whales I I have a thing for whales have a thing for whales and orcas and dolphins I'm fascinated by them like legitimately perplexed I think that it's entirely possible but both by both uh with both dolphins and orcas that they're just as smart as us they just don't express it the same way they have a they have a different different kind of existence they don't need they don't want to dominate other than controlling food they just want to have food and once they have food I you know I don't think I just think when you when you listen to uh science to talk about their dialects and um the fact that the Pod stays together for life and that they uh they form these tight bonds and they communicate over great distances with sound frequencies and and these complex

67:07languages that they've recognized are different in different areas so they've recognized there similar sounds but there's a dialect to it they still don't know what the they're saying yeah and part of the reason why we don't know what they're saying is just like how we were talking about emojis being like a form of hieroglyphs I don't think we can understand the context of communication when you live in the fcking ocean and you kill fish with your face all day I think what we would think of is where is your house do you guys have cable how do you guys find out about you know when the movies are playing you know that this idea of communication to us like what what they're trying to do is locate each other let each other know their moods Let each other know they're horny Let each other know but we think that that that's rudimentary in comparison to our complex system of sounds and very

67:55repeatable sounds that we can all Express back and forth to each other but just like emojis like what they're doing they're they're expressing themselves in a in a way that they all understand yeah yeah man and don't forget they have an awareness of part of the the larger part of the earth we don't know what the is down there that's one of the that's one of the uh imobi dick right after they spoiler they they kill white eloi dick but right after the description oh the description of the way they kill this thing the way they did it back then which is you know you get in a ship you row up to the thing there's a harpooner he's got a Harpoon oh my God and he's got to sing it at the thing and then you've got to tire it out reel it in this is a whale right this is a leviathan right you're just a little human in a boat and you're like nailing this thing with a harpoon

68:50finally when it gets tired enough you have to find its heart oh my God Jam the Harpoon into its heart and then basically like the hole with a harpoon just jab it in and out of that hole until finally this is description makes you want to cry it's so awful finally like the whale out of its blo hole it like shrieks like a like car breaks or something like it's screaming in pain and then it just blows chunks of guts and Lung and heart out of its own blow and then it dies then you got to get it back to the ship you tie it to the side of the ship sharks start feasting on the thing so you have like sharks chewing your goddamn whale it's somebody's job to get lowered down with a harpoon and kill the sharks and Melville describes Melville describes killing sharks he's like you will stab you watch the Harpers stab the shark the shark will start eating its own entrails CU

69:49it'll it'll just start eating itself and then just like tying itself up into a knot as it eats it self in a frenzy that's how Melville describes it those poor whales man but after the uh they kill a whale Ahab Captain Ahab poor sad Captain Ahab he comes out and he like does a funeral for the whales head and he like says like what have you seen down there what have you seen the graves of millions of sailors the wrecked ships that no one will ever know or there that's what a whale Seas so they just have this awareness that we don't like we'll never know what the down there we hardly can yeah we don't know what like I mean the Earth is 3/4 water right yeah so the what's below yeah what's below the water is it 2/3 or 3 I don't know is it 3/ I haven't measured lately whatever it is it's a lot right it's a giant chunk of the earth yes it's all water that's why it's blue the the

70:52underneath stuff we so rarely see I mean do we see it is we do we see it 1% of what we see above ground the um oh God I I hate to always talk about it but a brief history nearly everything he describes it as like and this could be wrong I don't know but what we know about the ocean imagine if someone took like six tractors and dropped them in the middle of like Middle America and they drove around for a few nights with their lights on at night some some description like that I can't remember but it's like it's that limited cuz getting a thing underneath all that pressure that's not going to break down getting out there in the first place you know to get the thing down that can survive that pressure forget it plus that takes a special kind of crazy person that's willing to get in a submarine oh god oh Jesus Christ Christ I think I'd rather go to space I think I'd rather go

71:47to space than be stuck at the bottom of the ocean and then see a drop of water on the side of the wall going what is that what is that what's going on man what is that noise did you hear that noise clink clink and you know it's just like a beer can on one of those you ever see a stripper crush a beer can with her tit no they hold a beer can up and they have one of them Whopper tits like those double F jammies and they hold it by the base because those tits are always like you know they're they're sort of like a like a ball on the end of an old rope you know cuz you have the big round ridiculous sized implants and they hold the the beer can and they just Molly that beer can crush it that's how it would feel if I heard a clink clink clink that I knew that eventually the thousands of pounds of pressure was just going to smush that that tank I just that's a up way to die man here they go

72:40look look look look behind you boom oh wow I didn't know this had look at this boom boom is crushing them with her tits that has to hurt look at Steve Harvey boom h go wow now you know it's a thing now I know so that's what I think of when I think about submarines you think when she did that oh man you think she did that the first time she did that she was angry no she was on meth the first time for sure is that what she said no that's what I would guess I think a lot of girls have done that that's a trick that's like the when you nut but she keeps sucking that's that in mix boobs crushing beer can so you think the first girl to crush a beer can with her boob was on meth no she's probably a real girl first of all like she had real boobs I mean not not just a real girl yeah you're all real girls by the way and everybody's a real girl if you want to be a real girl you're a real girl

73:41right right but like how many guys have broken beer cans with their dick how about zero tits are way more powerful than dick in that regard what what guy's ever like held a beer can down and smashed it with his hog that guy's a greater man than anybody in this room plus especially if he does it right side up and he gets the lip of the the beer can the thin part slams against his dick with the kind of force that's required to bend a beer can you're going to crush your dick you're going to hurt your dick I got to disagree with you man I think he becomes I think he becomes the hero if he's like if he's tied up right and he's got to use his dick in the beer can as a form of Escape device like at that point it becomes more heroic than just but you're right I mean no matter what if you smash a beer can with your then you join some invisible more Elite than the Illuminati I bet it's

74:40smaller than the seven families that control everything do you think there's like a 14inch club where's all dudes who have 14inch Hogs just hang out like there's got to be more than one dude on the planet that has more than a foot long long dick right if there's girlss that have tits like that and obviously those are fake but people are weird right people are built strange there's guys that are 7et tall there people that are 5 foot one there's a whole bunch of people in between and someone out there is a 14-inch dick yeah for sure like how many of them well I mean based on my own experience three and they're all but well there was that one guy who kept getting caught at the uh TSA because he has his his hog is gigantic so he um I keep saying hog cuz it's fun why is he calling him a hog what are you 12 yes um he's got like a sock like a rolled up sock yeah that's what his his

75:37hog is we know the story we probably talked about the PO you know the story of John malovich right being John malovich John malovich the actor right right so that supposedly they had to get him a body double in a nude scene in a movie because his is so gigantic that they thought nobody would believe that was a human's dick so they had to get a body Devil with a smaller to uh have him stand in because his penis is so large that it would disrupt the flow of the narrative did the guy who's telling you this suck your dick he said it while he was sucking my dick and you don't believe how big his dick is his dick is so big they body I think it is look it up that is the funniest look up as if that's confirmed somewhere I think it's confirmed um I have a feeling that's what's called a rumor I have a feeling John malovich has a great publicist yeah he's like let's leak this

76:35story yeah it's a good move well if I I could imagine he would have a giant hog James Wood supposedly has a giant hog that's the word he's talked about it he's talked about it pretty openly Trump trump has a giant one he says it's fine he says it's fine oh in comparison to his hands but it's a fact that the guy's running for president he was joking around about his dick not being tiny that is hilarious I don't you know I don't know if he's going to make the best leader of the Free World but uh I welcome someone who's willing to make a dick joke while they're running for president I welcome that well it's gonna it's like it's G to be uh it's going to be uh it's going to be really um interesting you know I was thinking we're going to talk about the elections anyway man and uh you know what's causing all the trouble right now what it's dis it's this is all

77:26technological disruption like we're looking at this is all a result of technology I was thinking like what's the um what's the okay if you could like locate the problem right it's that I don't mean to jump from a goddamn fantastic conversation about enormous Cox to some kind of political don't ever worry about where our conversations go lover so thank you so so uh the the the the what you're looking at here man is uh what Ray C there's a quote from Ray kwell which is things aren't getting worse our information's getting better right and so with Hillary Clinton who is a career politician right and we have all known since we were young most people I think when they think about politicians they don't think those are some honest people those politicians they usually are telling the truth I think most of us think politicians they lie they warp things they fabricate things they use a form of

78:33deception to gain control of various power structures that's what the animal does so that's not new information when you find out that Hillary Clinton and the DNC and I don't know if they completely connected those two but when you find out that they they they were not uh they didn't do what they were supposed to do they helped Hillary Clinton become the Democratic nominee and they actively tried to up Bernie Sanders right that's creepy but it's not a new thing I know but it is creepy it's creepy and it's even more creepy that the woman who was in charge resigns and then immediately gets hired got a great job got a great job Hillary Clinton's like it I'm going to hire you and it won't do anything she hires her she's so unafraid of what's going to happen that she hires the woman who did such shitty thing she had to resign booed off stage hires her into her party cuz she's like

79:31You I'm getting elected you're not stopping it right but this is again it's gangster too though it's G it's also a move in on her part where I mean she's looking at like what Trump is calling her crooked Hillary like it's a gangster move I mean to hire a woman like that like right in front of you yeah werman Schultz top post mission accomplished at DNC but this is this is not a new this is not a new thing man this is what exactly let's go over this because what exactly did they do that's so awful about Bernie Sanders what did they do so they they apparently came up with a way to disseminate information to the Press highlighting certain aspects of Bernie Sanders that would be unappealing to the voter and they did this and this has all been confirmed can you can you uh Google that find out what they actually said let's find out what they actually said summarize the wik see if we think

80:24they're being a bunch of whiny but for sure they wanted H look she's got way deeper arms in politics she's way more connected than he is for sure there's and this is what we're seeing too there like a big part of being a political candidate is how many favors do you have how many people you are you connected to how deep does your influence go right and obviously her influence didn't just sit within her her own little group of people that were working for it had gotten to the DNC itself so she's she's deeply embedded in this whole system whether it's because of friend sh or ideologies or people just wanted her she's the chosen one whatever reason whatever deals were made or whatever who knows who knows what it is but when you find out that an organization that's supposed to be the head it's supposed to be if we if everything was yeah on the up and up it's supposed to be objective and

81:10looking for what the people want as the best party but no they're actually actively steering it which is massively corrupt and kind of scary is that these people are deciding to steer an entire party which is 50% of a political process because there's no look we've got libertarian party for the first time people are taking Gary Johnson seriously he's going to do that um um Town Hall debate on Wednesday or town hall one of those Town Hall things on Wednesday on CNN but for the most part it's Democrats and Republicans in most people's eyes so what they're essentially doing is rigging half of that process yep that's scary that we just we don't think anything's wrong with that but we put Martha Stewart in jail for not telling exactly the truth about where she bought and sold stuff or whatever the she Li about we do think something's wrong about it but we can't do anything about

82:00it we do think something's wrong but right now okay so if like that institution is corrupt and if the Republican institution is in some ways corrupt I think it might be safe to say and I don't think too many people would be outraged at the idea that there is a institutionalized corruption in the entire American political system and it's very similar to the problem that happens in bike racing if one rigs their bike or gets on doping stuff that can't be detected if you want to have a fair Advantage you've got to rig your bike and start doping too or the person who rigs their bike will always win so if politics is a competition which it clearly is and if members of the competition are using nefarious means to achieve their goals which they clearly are which they clearly are then that would imply that if you wanted to survive in that system you would also have to use nefarious

83:05means but and this is not new this is old old old what's new is technology what's new is now people like Julian Assange are shining a light on the corruption and his whole idea is if I reveal this information it will Force reform via the outrage of the people who are supposed to be represented by a person who's breaking the law that's his idea we need reform and right now we're at the point where it's very similar to when you're in a family and this is one of the worst things can happen man in a family if there's somebody who's molesting somebody it happens all the time where a a a father or a brother will start molesting somebody right but and people in the family know it but they don't do anything about it because to talk about what Grandpa does every couple of years means the complete disintegration of the family an apocalypse for the family in the same

84:11way as more of these Revelations become clear which we always knew but you could always float into a happy place and be like nah I'm just being a conspiracy dude I'm sure the stuff they're doing up on Capitol Hill is all fair and square you know you can just believe it kind of you just pretend to believe it now it's like well no you're wrong look hey here's the proof and here's going to be more proof and there's going to be more proof and there's going to be more proof until finally the American people are going to have to either just be like I'm just going to believe that four is three and three is four because I have a nice comfortable life and I don't want to deal with this man I'm just going to trust the Banks cuz the banks like they like money well I have my job and as long as I keep my job I'll keep my benefits yeah and and by the way PS man when you consider

85:04that it's like there's something pragmatic about that as sad as it is there's as as depressing it is as it is but the the real awful problem is that this country I think is like a metaphysical machine that was built by some very intelligent people who understood the energy flow that comes through a society and the elections were supposed to be an outlet valve for the pressure that builds up when people feel that they're being repressed right and if you start with that output valve by putting up fake politicians that don't truly represent the people and hope that the people will believe that they have elected these people if you put two shitty choices in front of us and we're supposed to look at that and be like okay everything's fine then you're you're missing the point which is that there is an energetic system that needs to get released you know at some point

86:02the Energy's got to go out if it doesn't go out you get Revolution that's the way the energy goes out the wrong way the idea is let's the American Revolution brutal bloody awful these Geniuses many of them Freemasons got together and they were like you know what is there a way that we can program history so that a societ doesn't destroy itself intermittently with a Revolution cuz if we could do that we'll build one of the most powerful NeverEnding societies on Earth because we figured out a way to outflow the pressure that builds up so when you start with the goddamn political system and pretend that everything's going to be okay you are missing I think the the point which is that people who are very smart maybe a lot smarter than than the politicians we have today recognized something built a thing and said let's just trust the people let's trust the people release the Steam

87:01and voila everything runs according to plan now the the gears are a little gummed up man A little yeah a little how gummed up how gummed up I think the gears are really crazy gummed up I think this is the first time we're realizing how much money people make by running for president how much you know money it costs to run for president but how much money top political figures make in donations and in speeches yeah have you have you paid attention to how much they make in speeches like Rudy gilani and Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton bribes well this is what it is these corporations can fund various uh universities they can uh donate money to all sorts of different programs where they would have someone speak and they can decide who gets to speak and who doesn't get to speak and they also have like the Clinton Foundation people donate money into that they don't donate

87:56just fuckloads of money so all these things but hold on a second all these things what what they essentially you're you're paying someone to speak for an hour and you're going to give them $750,000 and you want me to pretend that that's normal that's crazy and what does this person do they're a public servant okay okay so they're public servant and while they're publicly serving they're also making $750,000 to talk yeah that seems a little crazy doesn't it like why do they they make so much money to do that and who was paying them and what what what do you have to benefit by having them come and read some nonsense boring speech a friend of mine went to see Rudy Giuliani after post 911 when he was on his victory tour he was on like a lap of the country doing these these speeches because everybody loved him because he saved the world during you know September 11th he was the guy who

88:46stood strong and everybody like wow Rudy juliani is a good man so he wrode that and he started doing these speeches and he' come to colleges and a friend of mine went to see him and said it was dog that he just it was a boring ass like reading with no passion it was a Ching go in there and say some nonsense about freedom in the American way and terrorism or whatever the and First Responders and just there there wasn't anything real it was just it was a performance it was like he was doing a one-man show all across the country for exorbitant sums of money God that'd be great if he was actually doing a oneman show 153 million Dollar in Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking fees documented this is just Jamie just pulled this up that that is stunning that's a stunning amount of money and it's over 15 years it's from 2001 to about now it's it still it's more than

89:43that's I mean well it's perfect then because that's $10 million a year this is more recent of what she now she had 20 225,000 that's her standard fee million over the last she prefers a private jet and prefers a Gulf Stream 450 or larger the memo outlines that Clinton requires travel by private jet you know what would be cool though is this like what if you were like a mad billionaire could you just get Hillary Clinton to come to your house and like just speak to you for an hour in your living room like this this is fascinating hold up scroll back down there she made $21 million doing what she made $21.6 million in speeches in just under two years years that's amazing God that's incredible that's so much money she's like a kind of like crazy animal that you can like lure with money like you can actually if you have enough money you can lure a Hillary Clinton into your

90:39house like you just have to lay it out she'll show up like if I put carrots in my backyard I'll probably get a rabbit or two if you have enough money you can get politicians to come and start feeding at your Mansion wait okay when does it become when does it become a bribe okay so should she like say well you can never be it's weird right you couldn't be someone who is in public office and go and also have like a a book reading tour where you read from your novel about crime or something like that you'd have to be like a no fiction person who's when when you're talking you're talking about what you do for work that's part of what you're talking about like nobody's going to ask Hillary Clinton to come and speak about the history of jazz in the United States right she's not going to give speeches on that she's going to give speeches on politics right I don't know right right so okay so why

91:30is that okay why can you like have two jobs that means you're having a second job like you're doing your job like you're you're saying the things that you say during your job but somebody else is paying you too why is it okay yeah why is it okay to do that like that seems like that's like that seems like very problematic right why is it okay for your husband to go talk who was he talk to the the head of the whoever the prosecu who was the district Bill Clinton went and had this secret meeting with what's his who was it about what well WR is oh oh right right right uh Lindsay what the hell's her name had lost it damn it the point is like you just are openly like in like hiring hiring the the the woman who somehow warped the process of getting a democratic nominee that yeah what's her name Loretta Lynch Loretta Loretta Lynch yeah doesn't that sound like a country

92:28singer is that a yeah that's what I thought I at first I was like is right yeah Loretta Lynn right that's what it sounds like Loretta Lynch yeah now she met Bill Clinton meets with the Attorney General on an Arizona tarmac now listen by the way flew in on his private plane and said that he it was impromptu who the flies impromptu on a private jet yeah hey you know what hey who are we flying over right now he's just one of us wait are we flying over Loretta Lynch oh come on stop down I'm going get a piece of apple pie she's a good woman we're going to sit on the porch and drink lemonade talk about our grandchildren sit on the porch on the tarmac nothing I love more than a nice a nice picnic on the tarmac of an airport well this is the other thing that she lied about um being dead broke after leaving the White House right not only dead broke but in debt she said that but

93:18apparently that's just so not true yeah and now and now it's like to to to make matters worse it's like you have to it there's this weird idea that's like listen you might not like Hillary Clinton can you go back to that real quick but they're like you better shut the up about her because do you want Trump to be president that is what's going on right yeah look what it look what it says here this is what's this is where it's confusing it says when Hillary filed a financial Disclosure document after entering the senate in 2001 she reported assets of less than 1.8 million and liabilities of more than 2 million well where were they do what were they doing with all the money what are they spending money on they're wait like who the okay who has like $2 million in assets and and $2 million in debt do you have $2 million in debt no most people don't have $2 million in debt that's

94:12that's a crazy amount of money like did you guys have a budget you're dead broke no you guys are crazy like what are you partying you guys doing blow and buying Ferraris just staying on Amazon late at night the who the gets $2 million in the hole like that that is like if you wanted to have someone that you wanted to balance the budget wouldn't you pick the person that doesn't get 2 million in the whole I mean oh man Trump Trump's been bankrupt a gang of times too right hasn't he been bankrupt a few times y that's what they say he says he likes going bankrupt it's somehow part of some plan but now the the question what about the about Saudi Arabia what is this you you don't remember this I remember when it it's like Saturday I was making jokes about them stealing like uh like silverware and Fine China and stuff from the when they were like leaving like on their

95:01last days there ridiculous oh that's what year was this this was like two from 2000 like when they were literally leaving and the bushes were coming in oh my God they're taking all sorts of extra artwork and all all kinds of things and I don't know if it's true but it's it's I don't think the meme has gone away I don't know man huh that's hilarious I don't know she's so gangster part of me look look I I kind of appreciate it in a way she's like our Putin yeah great great just what we need I'll tell you part of me appreciates how gangster she is there's a video going around of her talking from 2000 about not having email and then imagine if she had emails like what the investigators would find sure of course find it's on Mike Pence's Twitter page didn't she take money from Saudi Arabia or is that allegedly I'm not really her account accountant so I can't just I

95:55don't know I just you know man I think it's uh it's like a crazy time right now because we're actually getting to witness the the the cool thing about all this is as nefarious as these want to be they're they're they can't keep up with technology they're being exposed technologically and that's going to continue to happen and that's pretty badass man they get no matter how powerful or gangster Hillary Clinton is she has apparently zero Security on her computer systems or very little security and maybe if she had great security she still couldn't stop the infiltration of uh hackers and this is going to keep happening and happening and happening until either we just accept that our politicians are innately corrupt or we come up with some way to starve them out to make it so that they are but how I mean well don't you think Bernie is like the first step

96:51in that like Bernie's no perfect person right I'm I'm not the most gigantic Bernie Sanders supporter because I've talked to economists that tell me that what he was proposing is not fiscally possible yeah so I don't know if they're right or he's right and it's all real tricky to me like the idea of democratic socialism like boy it sounds good it sounds good if people got more I'm I'm warming up to the idea of universal basic income I kind of like that idea because I think if you think about how much resources we spend on things like cops and firemen and Damage Done in police and um rather prisons and how much time maybe we could avoid some of that like maybe a big chunk of it I think Universal basic income has like some real it's got some something that we should explore as a culture but we I think also requiring people to do certain things like in the community

97:41requiring some sort of community service like how nice would it be if uh I mean it's nice to be able to pay someone to take out the garbage but maybe we'd appreciate each other more if we all took out the garbage once a month man I disagree with that that's what they're doing in Venezuela by the way they they're forcing people to uh be civil to be Farmers for like 60 days out of the year or something like that but to make them feel good about Farmers no because like Venezuela is imploding and they need like they but but um I'll tell you man anytime the government or federal workers get more power in whatever way it may be that's a bad thing for all of us and I think that the the the the more we can push their tendrils out of our Consciousness the better and so anytime anyone is suggesting some new I don't care how utopian it sounds anytime anyone here's the thing do you

98:43think the government is corrupt if the answer is yes why would you want to give them more power why would you want to give them more tax money yeah yes why there's no now you're when you're talking about taxing people you're not talking about giving that money directly to the poor people right you're not yeah man you're talking about it going to the government and the government distributes it with no receipt right man that's what they do right now yeah we don't want that that's up if these people up there if they were like somehow we actually just imagine here's a crazy fantasy I don't know how you'd implement it but let's imagine we had a system where every four years some of the coolest smartest people in the country became our leaders wow that would be insane the coolest smartest people don't want that job just by Nature it's a it's a strange job the

99:31idea of wanting to be the person that's in control of everything and I think until it goes horribly wrong we're going to stay on the outside and we're going to go somebody come on somebody come on somebody I'll tell you man I think some of the coolest smartest people because they're so cool if I'm just saying this is a mystery how to get to them but let's just say you could it's a mystery how you get to them say and let's imagine there was who are they what who are they give me give me you don't even have to name a person but give me the attributes you would want let's I would take somebody like Elon Musk I would take somebody like you I would take somebody why not I would take somebody like um cuz I don't want the job what I don't want the job bet Elon doesn't either all right fine but we all sit together in a room and we're like hey man who have let's imagine like five

100:19more badasses right we all sit together in a room and we say listen I know none of you guys want this job you're successful because you're super smart and you're super cool and you're having great lives but would you consider for a couple of years helping us work this out so the planet gets a little better and I guarantee now again this is a fantasy but I guarantee that there will be very few people in that room You' be like no I'm going to live my life you'd be like yeah I'll do it for two years no problem I'll do it for 4 years sure I would love to help and so for four years you go into this job truly thinking man I'm going to see if I can reduce the number of people who are uneducated and hungry and the bombs going off and I'm going to try to do it by using all of my smartest friends and I'm not doing it because I'm going to get money from this group or

101:15that group I'm doing it because it feels like the right thing to do do you know what that's called man that's called the American dream that the founding fathers came up with that was the idea we're going to have a group of brilliant wonderful people who want this particular swath of human beings to be a peaceful what is it a peaceful place where you can experience life liberty and the pursuit of happiness right Freedom autonomy Community all these beautiful things that was the idea beautiful idea it'll almost make you cry when you think about how beautiful a idea that is and then to imagine that that idea over the course of time was gradually deteriorated gradually infiltrated gradually broken down and of course it was because when there is a powerful Empire the Empire is inevitably attacked by entities that want to take it over of course it's the nature of things

102:19something powerful some wants that power and so an analysis of the system over the course of time or and an intentional infiltration by people who have all the money or just some s systemic degradation a slow sort of collapse of a million different systems inside the thing has happened that has happened and yet the concept remains one of the most beautiful ideas one of the most incredible ideas they cannot erode the concept well maybe it can still be saved with technology maybe the transparency that's being afforded by technology is going to somehow or another step in and put a halt to what we see as just a standard operational behavior of corruption and influence corruption and influence is just so standard that it's right in front of us when CNN is printing Hillary Clinton's annual earnings for the past two years is $21 million and no one's batting an

103:19eye she's sitting there with her bite suit she has that bite suit on looks like a German Shepherd's going to jump out of the bushes and grab her suit she she walks around these boxy bite suits yeah and she's she's making ungodly sums of money from just talking and she's do it's doing doing it right in front of our face yeah it's I mean that's one of the beautiful things about Bernie Sanders one of the most beautiful things he says I didn't take a dime from those people I don't speak to the banks yeah cuz what did you what did you say when you got paid half a million plus or whatever she got paid to speak how much did she get paid to speak to the banks cuz there was something bananas about that one there was one of the ones that she got paid I made it might have been the $250 million won't release yeah there's a bunch she won't release she won't release the ones when she talks to

104:03Banks they'll get released they speak in Latin they get together they burn babies they they start talking in tongues and they're all eyes wise shut it out yeah hoods on and candle light pentagrams everywhere Yeah man they Pro I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few things they do that we might consider to be a little abnormal when they get together Bohemian Grove look Bohemian Grove whatever the they're doing there whatever they they do it for for whatever reason they really do or at least used to dress up in robes and burn an effigy in front of a giant owl statue okay there's a video of it it's real for them they say it's fun and it's just like a a a one of those frat pranks or Traditions that people do well they'll dress up and weird costumes and they go through some weird skull and bone ceremony that their grandpappy did and everybody does it cuz

104:59you want to be what is that what is it called pledged you want to be pledged initiated initiated yeah I mean come on man this is there's a real video of these multi-millionaire guys meeting in Bohemian Grove and burning these f look at that Hillary Clinton was paid $225,000 a speak at Goldman Sachs Builders and innovators conference Builders and innovators at the Ritz Carlton Dove Mountain Resort in Morana Arizona that is a golfer's Paradise all those Rich dudes out there golfing driving those Convertible Mercedes with the metal top and open in like 13 seconds yeah these these guys are look they're all monsters you know man uh I'll tell you this is something I was thinking and by the way I'm sorry I did a seemingly patriotic Spiel I didn't know that was not patriotic at all it's well it is patriotic but it's it's you you're right you these people were massively

105:55repressed by Europe they took this incredible chance of getting in boats and coming across an ocean yeah in a time where we were navigating things with something that looks like a protractor yeah I mean the they had seant you know they're staring at the constellations trying to figure out which way to go they're manipulating the air to get there it's amazing and a lot of them are doing that because they want to worship God in a certain way that they're not able to see where they're coming from but even even whatever they they're rationale for leaving they still had the balls to get on a boat and make across the ocean so that puts them in a better place in my eyes than those that stayed back and believed in logic but lived under the rule of the queen yeah those dummies or the King was it a king back then probably King King they probably had Kings but my point is I

106:41don't have a point but if I had a point would it would be that's the reason why America is so bad ass that at least at least the reverberations of the initial instincts to start it still exist yeah the idea can't go away it's it's like a geometric form but here's the problem man okay this is what I was thinking so let's imagine that you and I are somehow I don't know why we end up on a cruise ship filled with idiots like literal idiots somehow they just like they went through like maybe like some it's like the opposite of a reality show where you find a great person like over the course of like months they find like the world's worst people right and so are the world's like maybe like the world's most unwise people or the world's dumbest people so you end up in with like a population of like 60 idiots on the boat and I'm not saying we're not idiots I certainly don't consider myself

107:36to be a minsum member but but let's imagine we're a little like more on the ball than these guys are right the boat wrecks we're on an island now we have to build a civilization how does democracy become a good thing if the majority of people are kind of not that on point right what happens if a what if it's a let's imagine it's a boat filled with psychotics let's imagine it's a boat filled with people who are paranoid schizophrenics for example how do you have a democracy of paranoid schizophrenics running things and so when you have the news spraying out a paradigm that is also weirdly corrupt in the sense that the news is being run by uh groups of people who want to sell advertising and need to be entertaining and who know they have to at least present this information in a kind of entertaining possibly warped way there are cases including in the recent

108:35Wikileaks uh dump that where the uh were there were the N what's it called the ndd the the non-disclosure agreement no the national the Democratic group the um DNC the DNC was telling giving like talking points to the Press right so if the media is painting a picture of the universe that is not accurate or is Warped a little bit based on consumerism or the corporations that are running things then the people who have tuned into that reality and believe it to be true you could safely say they are mildly psychotic because they have bought into a reality tunnel that might not actually exist in which case is a democracy at that point a good thing if the people living in the democracy have for a lifetime been getting bad information shot into their brains marijuana will give you brain damage war is good sometimes you just need to kill people we have got to get into Iraq because Saddam

109:37Hussein has weapons of mass destruction that he is going to unleash on the West wrong information but if you believe it you believe wrong information and if you believe wrong information then that means that you are no longer walking along the path that is there but a path created by other people right so that's when democracy gets really interesting because now what we have is very powerful hypnotic cobbles of con of of of billionaires sending bad information to the population and attempt to shift their perceptual mechanisms in such a way that they will elect leaders that don't represent them but that have been created by these machines to uh take over the the world and in that case the Democracy becomes a little bit more problematic so that's another problem it's like okay great now let's imagine we suddenly have a functioning democracy what if a lot of

110:37people in that function functioning democracy have subscribed to ideas that don't that aren't real and that they're not willing to let go of are you writing down never put dun on the show no no I had to remember something I keep forgetting I have to remember it you just I don't want stop your rant oh cool just you know when you're high as like we are right now so great and we start talking about stuff when you're talking I have an idea but it just I have to follow your idea and my idea slips away I had to write it down real quick it's just the idea is what if the what what if Mo many of us like the we believe ain't real and what if that that we think is real has been intentionally placed into our heads by corporations with the intention of making us behave in a certain way at that point a democracy comes a problematic like what are you going to do if you mean there's so many people

111:27right now who believe the like Trump is putting out a reality tunnel Hillary Clinton's putting out a reality tunnel these are two different reality tunnels where many of the pieces of it might not actually reflect what's happening in the world so it's like which of these madeup stories are you going to tune into or are you going to reject both of them and go wandering off into the woods alone and try to in your own way understand what's happening minus the influence of the corporate media I was thinking when we were talking about people coming over in boats that we were talking earlier about the human biome and that your your gut biome in particular it affects your mood your intelligence level your personality it affects your immune system and that um that's one thing that I've been really getting into over the last few years is really concentrating on

112:18probiotics yeah uh first kombucha that was the big one I like like that uh GT's kombucha I like that original flavor it's like a it's like almost like feels like someone blew their nose in it those slimy slugs those those uh kambuja slugs that you got to throw down but it's really good for your immune system and it made a big difference with all my travel on the road but then I started really getting into kefir started really getting into uh I drink goats milk kefir several times a week and I drink like a whole glass of it and man it it I The more I've been concentrating on that kimchi that's another one that I've really gotten into lately um from mented cabbage um it's uh it's really good for you very probiotic as well the more I'm doing this like I feel happier if that makes any sense it actually makes me feel better like I don't just feel like healthier in terms of my immune system

113:06is really good but I feel better so what I was thinking is these poor that got on that boat and came across the seas when you think about the horrible atrocities committed by the pilgrims or the Columbus of soldiers yes when they came over here I mean they by one account of a missionary they were dashing babies heads on rocks they were cutting people's arms off they didn't bring back their weight and gold there was some really dark dark dark going on I I wonder if it was a combination of obviously barbaric human beings in barbaric times when things were just way different and there was very little accountability for Psychopathic behavior and in fact you hired these Psychopaths these abused people murderers those those are your soldiers those are your people you're hiring you know those are the people that you put on that boat those are the only people

113:57that are willing so they get across this ocean it takes months right how long did it take to get across seat find that out I'm going to say three months do you think it took three months I don't know I'm going to say it took like 90 days I would think longer than that man probably right maybe four months what do you think four months I don't know like I feel like three months a do it if you knew what you were doing you got to get the right wins I mean it's like but you definitely might not make it like it says approximately two months wow two months quick it started in early August and got there October 12th wow God that's so ballsy took approximately two months Christopher Columbus started his voyage in Palos Spain in early August of 1492 with three ships the Nina and the pinto sanary we all know that stuff wow that's amazing can you imagine just being on that boat being a

114:47fly on the wall on that boat watching those murderers sail across the ocean and knowing one day you're going to get a day off school for those no I mean think of that those they showed up and they just raped and murdered everybody we get a day off school for him praying along the way long weekend we're going to have a suit coming again there you go yeah the information that we have does not accurately reflect reality we have been conditioned intentionally by a power structure to believe in a reality tunnel that if you don't believe in that reality tunnel you're considered to be somebody who's a little crazy got your mine Columbus was a good man what are you talking about remember that commercial where the guy's eating salad and his friends going what do you mean if I buy drugs you support terrorism it's a fact right that he's eating salad he's a non-nonsense guy at

115:42a steak bar remember that cuz it's a fact I say it cuz it's a fact the guy's like standing there like it's that relationship that we all know of that one super good arguing rightwing guy that's a little bit older than the other guy and he kind of clowns them when they have lunch together come on get your together Mike okay we're going to make the loan go through but straighten out your credit yeah that's the same guy because you're supporting terrorism it's a fact he's eating the salad I say it cuz it's a fact yeah there's something psych there's like a mind going on CU we know that relationship we know that Paradigm between the really straight up Republican No Nonsense got his together has a cigar and a single malt scotch and that's about it and we know and that other guy who's like hey I I heard that Tower 7 is a is an inside job what yeah don't say that eating his

116:33lettuce it's not true it's not true cuz it's a fact yeah I know it's is a bad example but that thing that people like to do cuz it's a fact well man I mean yeah that it's a fact guy is our version of a person who has been it happens in North Korea there's that like I don't know if you saw it but like in one of these documentaries about North Korea which I love to watch because it's the ultimate example of a hypnotized culture when you ultimate ultimate and it's right now right now which is insane when you consider what the past could have been like we never we we don't have a window we don't have a window into what gas Khan's Empire was like we don't have a window to Miles China we don't have a window to that but we have a window right now a physical window of real video this is it this is the guy this is a non nonsense guy play the commercial I love this

117:20commercial go from the beginning do it from the beginning fact yeah F spells it this drug money funds Terror it's a ploy a manipulation got new to the internet he's got several tabs going at the same I thought someone had like you're going to hear moaning soon cuz he's got his porn it's a ploy what this drug money funds Terror it's a ploy Ploy a manipulation Drug Money PL Terror I mean why should I believe that because it's a fact a fact fa a fact so you're saying that I I should believe it because it's true that's that's your argument it is true this is the dumbest conversation because I want to jump in there and I say okay well tell me how that's true I'll tell give me give me some specifics of how Drug Money funds teror can I tell you how it's true if you yeah you're the guy I'm the other guy here's how it's true okay so um many of the people who are currently in the

118:24US government have taken lots of money from the uh pharmaceutical uh companies that Supply some of the most dangerous drugs on Earth to uh people all over the planet and and and those people in the government are also in charge of dropping bombs on people in other parts of the world let me stop you right there they also made Viagra and the pill that's great okay about don't you use Viagra don't you like to pill still drugs don't you like to shoot loads in your girl without any consequences yes I know we all do but that's funding terrorism every time you shoot a load into your girl that's funding terrorism are you sure are you is it a fact is it an FAA fact it's an fa fact baby dude terrorism I'll tell you terrorism terrorism is every time I mean when you start hearing the civilian casualties in Syria and all over the place I got to show you something I got to show you something go

119:21back a few days on my um my Twitter feed I retweeted this Syrian girl who is uh praying oh I saw that for her saf you've seen it okay play it again if you want to horrify the audience but I'd rather not watch it again okay well let's just describe what it is um you could you can go watch you said forget it Jamie he's going to freak out he's ready to cry I'm ready to cry it's it's horrible there's a guy and he's talking to his daughter and she's reciting a prayer and apparently she's reciting some prayer of safety and while they're doing it you hear and they both get shot like rocketed back and forth like something hit near their building you see like the reverberations the impact move them they they jut out of the frame and then the video stops yeah it's terrifying I mean look it might not even be real I'm I'm assuming it's real I'm assuming it's real yeah it might not even be real but

120:17it it cuz I don't know I can't verify but that happens EX exactly the way you're looking at it whether or not that is an actual representation or whether or not somebody wants you to imagine what it would be like I don't know I don't know the veracity I haven't I haven't I haven't studied the video I don't know have you do you know whether or not anybody's calling on that video well look I mean it's an aru they do bomb people exactly I but I'm not no sure if you're seeing that or if it's one of you know there's a there's a company that was uh I think it's in Australia that uh they create fake viral videos to get hits and they're a special effects company and they they're responsible for like a gang of amazing videos that have been online one of them was this uh couple that shot a lion and then you you see the lion uh another lion come there they're standing over a

121:03lion taking pictures yeah this one special effects group made that and a bunch of other fake ones too that a lot of people sent me and they said they were real and I retweeted them like oh wow that's crazy man you know but meanwhile these people are just special effects artists cool the lion one didn't get me I was like this is too perfectly framed it's too good got me didn't get me at all plus I didn't like the way the line the way it was looking the way it was sitting there on the ground it looked fake the whole thing looked like it looked like a fake Lion but then um there's one that came out today that I'm reasonably sure is real and that's one I was telling you about about before the show where there's a bear in this guy's house and uh he looks downstairs and my friend Shane Carwin actually tweeted a picture I got to retweet it when I find it he tweeted me a picture today of a

121:48bear that broke into his friend's cabin and tore it apart tore the uh the um refrigerator open ripped out everything on the floor ripped out cabinets just tore his place apart and apparently his friend called Shane is like uh hey dude did you uh use my cabin or something Shane car's this giant heavyweight UFC fighter he's a former uh UFC interim heavyweight champion he's a gorilla and so his friend like that's the first person he called imagine if someone tears through your house rips your refrigerator door off the wall lays waste like they you someone just hulked out in your kitchen so he calls Shane up first hey dude um my did you rip my refrigerator door off and then there was another one that's true as well it's real where a bear got trapped in someone's car somehow or another the bear opened the car door which they've been known to do if you leave it open look at that that's

122:40a bear trapped in the back of that Subaru poor guy I wonder how long he's in there for it's a good question I think they were walking by and they found them so what a bear does is they know they figured out over time that they can open car doors if they open up a car door they watch someone open up a car door like another bear and then there's food in there that's it from then on they're opening car doors right so uh when I was in Boulder one of the people that lived in the town over from where I lived got their car broken into and the bear ate the inside of their car the bear I mean literally ate their seats ate their dashboard God damn they're crazy that sucks so this bear is trapped in this guy's car this is 100% legit so he opens up the car door with his paws climbs inside and you know like if a car is like at a kind of an angle the door will close itself door Clos itself he's

123:36like just stuck in this car just mangling it look at it look at the chair torn apart probably all over the dashboard look at him is right here I wonder if their insurance covered it I wonder if anybody's got a bow and arrow okay time to make some bear sausage son uh you got to let him out I means that's up to shoot an animal inside a car that's not fair Chase I'm joking around ladies and gentlemen I would definitely let him out but I'd be pissed CU this car is Just sh shot it's mangled you can open up your trunk with a a a key with some people is that what they did did they open up the back and let them out what's Happening Here how can the hatch is open there he is he just ran off yeah he's running off that's was a pretty decent sized bear yeah they what kind of damage did it do they seem pretty peaceful man Bears always seem like they run they tend to

124:27run more for sure right until they kill you yeah you say oh it's peaceful oh he's peaceful do you know more people get killed by black bears than by Grizzlies no I did not it's weird Grizzlies a lot of times they kill you by accident like uh you stumble upon the mom and the Cubs black bears apparently uh will actively seek people sometimes when they're really desperate oh my God man that is there's a bear in my neighborhood no it's not the past Dena bears are eating garbage and stuff they're having a good old time in swimming pools and you don't have to worry about them you got to worry about um predatory bears like there's a guy that I know uh Steve rello hosts a show meater one of his friends took a guy out hunting for his very first time they were camping and a 500 lb predatory black bear climbed in the tent attacked him in the middle of the night and his

125:14friend shot the bear the bullet went through the bear and shot his friend in the wrist so he got shot he got bit by bear on his first hunting trip broke his wrist bullet shattered his wrist went through the bear and shattered his wrist that's ter man whenever you have those kinds of bad lucks land on top of each other like the balloon accident where like not only do you fall to your death but you're also on fire while you fall to your death 17 people terrible hot air balloons dude being in the sky with fire and cloth never what about a hard Breeze what happens if this gets hit by lightning huh you never monkeys watched the video of that guy jumping out of the plane yesterday yes I did that was insane insane tense insane insane and by the way he didn't even hit it in the middle he hit the edge I mean I'm sure it's a huge net but not huge enough like how are you judging that correctly

126:08when you're coming down it who knows how fast he's coming down it seems like he lays there for a second like he's stunned or something we had to flip over before impact he was practicing flipping over like he had a otherwise his face is going to get shredded right he's got to land on his back so this guy's going down and then right before he hits the bottom he flips so he's got to like guide himself with his own arms and hope that he doesn't splatter that's his GoPro man I mean how is he possibly going to judge this I mean he has some sort of a uh like a wingspan thing going on where his his legs are spread now watch this he falls over he turns over right before the end and and lands in the net what in the actual wow and everybody's applauding he Liv he almost died but he look it's Bobby Collins and Whippy Goldberg they're there they're both celebrating

127:01he lived he almost died but he he's he's he's he's crying I did it Mom this girl's got big tits come here take a look at these tits before hey this guy look at his dick why they have these people look at this we are here live on the scene he didn't die it's amazing this is the first time ever a person did this and lived we're so happy we're so happy we could broadcast this on television it's so important look at this yes we did it dude we did it you crazy all of you oh my God cuz you know if that didn't work out oh my God if the net broke and for the rest of your life you have to remember the the what that looks like just the expl of guts and the the the sound that's going to make when that thing hits the tarmac his wife's like screaming or just a Silent Scream just everyone just PTSD you're going to have to go to therapist to get that out of your head you're going to wake up

128:08with the memory of that guy's body just exploding like a watermelon in front of you what if the pressure of the situation the gravity of the situation the the adrenaline rush and the GeForce all combined made him stroke out like that Indian dude wow and he just never even bothered steering and went right into the Crowd Oh man like a human missile just took out kids and grandma crushed a Subaru scraps of bloody Gatorade color jumpsuit landing on your kid imagine if you died because this guy hit the ground and his skull went flying through the air and hit you in the face and crushed your head oh you got your head crushed from his forehead or even worse you don't die oh Jesus you just get like amputated no you just have like neurological problems for the rest of your life like you like you know like someone's in a car accident you go into a temporary coma you come out you you

129:06yourself for the rest of your life and people ask why it's like a skydiver skull smashed into me terrible man dude high impact avoid that what high impact death high impact avoid that don't jump out of those planes into Nets stop are they going to get CTE from net falling imagine if that becomes a new thing like what kind of CTE tronic uh traumat chronic traumatic osy inop so brain damage the football players get I would imagine the jolt of going from space into a net is considerable yeah sure yeah I would imagine that that has an impact on your not easy on your body to fall out of a plane and anything it's definitely not what you by the way man speaking of like up like sports accidents and I know you get sick of talking about the UFC but dude that clip of what's his name cyborg what's the guy's name the guy got his head crushed in yeah yeah see that cyborg Santos there's a

130:10bunch of cyborgs there's a two two male cyborgs and one female cyborg makes sense it's a cool word but the the I was thinking man that thing he did the knee kick mhm flying knee kick smash the guy's head you don't ever say knee kick don't ever say what you say it's a knee fly fly knee you don't say a knee kick guys listen to my voice do I sound like I know a lot about the UFC you took a little Muay Thai back in the day well my trainer taught me some but I anyway the point is is it possible you know okay basketball people are getting better at basketball right skateboarding people are getting better at skateboarding right is it possible that in the UFC people are going to become so proficient at beating each other up that it there will be a more of this type of awful accident happening where people just learn how to be powerful enough to crush a person's

131:04skull where you just get better at it man like if you look at like and it's not a fair comparison because a SP skateboard you it requires a tool but if you look at like early skateboarding videos to now and see how much it's evolved and you know the UFC has the market pressure for these fighters to be the best ever because they become like world renowned Fighters and they make a lot of money so the pressure is there to evolve if you look at UFC a 100 years from now isn't it possible that Fighters are going to get so good that it is no longer safe to do the UFC because they're just going to be strong enough to break someone's skull open with their fists or with their knees well let me answer that first of all it was a very un usual scenario where a guy was diving forward and the other guy was jumping forward with a knee and they combined in a perfect Collision it's

131:59very unusual to happen that way it's happened before though um it it does happen it can happen but that was the most extreme version I've ever seen in my life in all my years of watching martial arts watching martial arts training in martial arts seeing fights I don't know how many fights I've seen live but it's got to be more than a thousand it's probably like it's probably like 1,500 or something like that live I've never seen it once I only watched it once on TV so um guys have definitely gotten their nose broken though and they've definitely gotten their orbits broken the orbit broken orbital orbital uh bone is super common that's real common that happens all the time that happens like once a year I mean in that in that sense super common more maybe even more than that we don't hear about it maybe there're small fractures but Mesa Tate the former women's bantamweight champion she got

132:49her orbital bone broken in a fight um Bob sa had he Bob sap had his orbital bone broken in by crobop I can name a bunch of them where guys have gotten their orbital broken it's really common so uh that's your face you're getting your face broke this is just a different version of it and it was such an extreme impact Michael Venom page the guy who did it is uh a sport karate champion and a really Dynamic guy he's so fast and his technique is so good his timing is so good he's a lifelong martial artist who who was competing as a point karate guy and then he went from being a point karate guy to fighting an MMA and he can hit guys in this crazy way Dives in and hits him and they can't hit him back and when they're running at him he counters them brilliantly and that's what he did in this fight cyborg who's talented guy who's been around a long time he's really experienced he's

133:40fought in Strike Force he fought in the UFC did he fight in the UFC I feel like he did I'm almost positive he did um Google that though please cuz I know he fought in Strikeforce he had an epic fight with Nick in Strike Force and uh Jordan me in Strikeforce epic epic fights so he's a real veteran and uh to have this happen to him is even more impressive it just shows you how good this pig kid is but um it's so unusual the way it happened I've never seen it like that before where a guy just charged in and the other guy didn't hit just hit him with the knee but jumped at him so you would have to have Michael Venom Pages athleticism technique experience lifelong martial artist perfect timing and and then also fight intelligence like he had the intelligence to choose that weapon he has a full arsenal of techniques he knew that that would be the most effective

134:28blow to land in that moment so all his lifelong experience of competing as a martial artist Led to that moment so it was a perfect storm for Cyborg's head the the wrong the wrong thing at the wrong time and it can always happen just like Dale nhart Jr or senior died in a car accident right it can happen like the the even the great ones can get really bad hurt but but you could see it like I mean I'm sure you've seen it over those 1500 fights you've seen haven't you seen an evolution in the fighting styles yes but on both sides the other thing is I've seen an evolution in people's defense too like there's guys like Mighty Mouse who like barely get hit you know and he and he's beating guys up but occasionally you'll get a guy who is like an elite guy and another guy's an elite guy they almost cancel each other out people get mad right people get mad because there's not

135:18enough action because they're both too smart and they kind of like canceling each other that does happen that happens in fights so I just think that everybody is definitely getting better but their defense is getting better as well and it's just it's a sport where it's so chaotic and anyone can win by knockout if they connect and everyone is so fast and everyone has so much technique that the best guys can knock out the best guys we saw it this weekend Matt Brown who is like one of the top UFC welterweights in the world he's a animal Savage one of my favorite fighters ever fought this kid named Jake Ellenberger yeah Jake Ellenberger is a a very talented guy who's had ups and downs but he's lost a bunch of fights recently to top level guys and this was his last chance in the UFC they gave him a last chance they said you know they were going to cut him he said just give

136:05me one more fight and they said okay we're going to give you Matt Brown who's a demon and he's like okay so he went in and knocked out Matt Brown the first round but it was crazy it was a crazy chaos filled fight he blasted him with a right hand and kicked him in the body with a Del kick and put him away was it was a Madness fight and even Matt Brown was even coming back after getting hit with the first big punch but my point is On Any Given night one of these guys connects and they can knock out the other guy they can both do it Matt Brown easily could have knocked out Ellen Burger easily could have connected it's it's it's possible for all these guys to knock each other out so it's a Nutty sport man they're definitely getting better at it but they're all getting better so it's harder to hit them clean right and they're better at delivering shots well if one person gets better then

136:58everyone's going to adapt to come up with some defense for whatever the thing is that person's gotten better at I guess they learn the techniques they learn the techniques and they understand when when they're coming but if you had to predict like if someone's like if you had to predict five years from now what kind of if if you've seen a kind of evolution in the fighting styles then you've you you've seen something that maybe you can prognosticate in five years what do you what do you think it's going to look like how will it be different how will the UFC change over time if mixed martial arts is an evolving sport well we already know pretty much i' would say there's always room for new stuff it's always possible that new stuff comes out but I would comfortably say we know at least 95% of all the Striking options we're pretty pretty well versed in what person can do

137:51with their bones and I'm being real conservative when I say 95% it's probably closer to 99% but every now and then someone will do something crazy like this guy uh I don't know the name of the organization but just knocked some guy out with an axe kick the other day and uh somebody sent it to me and I was like whooo see if you could find that axe kick KO and MMA it's real recent this is the first time I've seen that in uh televised MMA bout but I saw it a gang of times in Taekwondo tournaments and I I I witnessed it firsthand with a very good friend of mine who got knocked out horribly by an axe kick so I know that axe kicks are real dangerous if a guy's good at him but you have to have Elite flexibility and speed and you have to know how to land it and uh so that was a new one that up until this year I don't think anybody knocked anybody out with one before there was a guy named Adlon

138:34amagov who was fighting in Strike Force and he fought in the UFC for a little bit but he got real religious and he decided to to quit fighting but I think he might have somebody up with an axe kick once he had he had nasty nasty kicks but the point is that might have been The Last of the Mohicans as far as like new techniques that you're you're going to see people do pretty much everything round kicks side kicks front kicks we we already seen all those we already know they exist so that's pretty much covered what it's really getting what people are getting better at is their ability to deliver those techniques in a fluid form that's imperceptible for the person that's trying to anticipate the movements right so like when someone is attacking you what it's like is say if you were a really dumb guy and you were in a debate about CH with Christopher Hitchens about

139:21something that you really shouldn't have been debating him about like you really don't know the subject very well and you're talking and he just starts with his he's clinking his whiskey glass around and touching with his fingers and just demolishes you on on Real Time with Bill Mah right you know what I mean like that's what Christopher henon could do to any of us if it's so fun to watch him do that too man terrifying because you think oh my God if that was me what if I got up there to talk about the Iraq War I don't know what the I was talking about he just he just buried me did you ever see when he buried most deaf no oh he buried him most deaf was asking questions about Al-Qaeda and the Taliban he didn't know the difference between Al-Qaeda and the Taliban I don't either and uh most def um was talking about it and Christopher Hitchens just decided he

140:04was annoying and just just distressed him just undressed him publicly dressed him down is that the word how's the expression I would almost rather get dragged off by a tiger then have Hitchens destroy me on bill M he so ruthless about I would become a monk if that happened I'd be like well I'm just going away I'm going to find a little Monastery and just shave my head and say goodbye to the universe like there's some guys they can destroy you but you almost feel like uh they're letting you off the hook like Sam Harris Sam Harris destroys people in a very calm way and he doesn't insult them right but he does it very logically but he lets you know that he thinks you're right he wouldn't use those words but I do but but Hitchens shows utter disdain for you while he's scoring on you Harris seems like there's the hope when yeah when yeah Hitchens is pissed Harris it feels more like at

141:00least there's the hope that he's going to bring you to his side there's something compassionate in it but yeah Hitchens is like yeah Hitchens is like well you just I might as well you can be part of the genocide that I want to have happen to idiots of the world and it's a a really a really intense thing to watch man he must he must have just constantly read like that guy must have just woken up in the morning and just started reading for hours and hours definitely definitely not just smart but also well read like we all we all know people that are very smart but they don't read that much right he was all the above smart well read and did a lot of debating and had a lot of conversations with really smart people which is a big part of it as well and you know and we're very lucky that we get to listen to those because that's kind of like having those conversations not in the sense that

141:52you're saying the words but being privy to a conversation with a guy like Hitchens like he's sitting there talking with Sam Harris or some uh religious leader or something like that and the The Logical points that he makes it's they're they're very enriching in a way that a lot of times like school isn't even a lot of times your professor is a incompetent that got that job because he sucked the right dicks and now he's got 10 year there's a lot of those shitty professors man yeah yeah did there's a lot of those there's a Hitchens video did you see the one when he talks about what a monster Saddam Hussein was have you seen that one I have seen that one yeah he's genius yeah and he's right you know he was our our monster though Saddam hsein yeah he was our monster sure yeah we we helped that guy but his sons were even scarier you ever read some of the things that his

142:38sons did I can't remember I his sons were like Ramsay Bolton from The Game of Thrones but for real they fed women to dogs they would take a woman they would take her from her bridal party rap her kill her husband or throw her husband in jail rape her and then feed her to their dogs and they did this more than once God damn man yeah well this is what we were talking about when we were talking about like North Korea by the way I don't know that this happened I wasn't there this is what I heard this is what you could read it online that's what everybody has said it's pretty much agreed that he did it but I think again like I was criticizing you earlier I totally could be completely wrong but this guy if they did do it I'm prettyy sure they did or something like it they didn't do awesome stuff that was not that long ago man and did some awesome stuff you know what I

143:31mean like I bet it wasn't all feeding girls to dogs it was I bet they were complete total sociopaths and Psychopaths from the womb their dad was a murderous dictator he raised them and I bet he raised them to be monsters you he wrote a romance book who did Saddam Saddam Hussein you ever Jer off to it I haven't read it yet I think they're releasing it soon look at up show like there he wrote like a real a romantic piece of fiction I mean by the way I'm not saying that Usain or bolt or whatever the is weird andus UD and cus were but I think it is so terrible when you realize that even the worst people still have something good about them that there isn't a complete monster out there well there's definitely complete monsters there have been for sure I think that inside you don't think Ed gain the guy used to make lamp shades out of women's skin cereal killer I

144:28think the Monstrous part of being a human being is that no matter how awful you are and no matter how terrible now this could be completely naive and I'm sure there's exceptions but mostly no matter how awful you are some little piece of you inside of you glimmering way down there underneath all the violence and murder knows that you have the potential to be kind and it tortures you and I think that's inside every single person you can feel it in you all the time no matter how good or how bad you are there's always that like you want to help there's always something in there even dmer even the worst of the worst man somewhere in there there it's in it's in every single person it's what I think it's what we are and the more separate you get from it the more you start doing you know you be it starts with like not putting your shopping cart away at the grocery store

145:31the problem was we're talking about people that aren't broken there there there's people that through whatever reason through nature or nurture there's people that have fuses broken just like there's people that are born with leukemia just like some people have cancer just like some people have epilepsy just like some people are born with disfigured arms some people's brains are wired wrong from the jump there's something wrong biologically with them okay sure right I mean don't wouldn't we assume yes I would I I totally agree that they people these brains aren't working but I don't think we're just our brains no I mean I don't think so either but I that's what I'm saying like it's not an either or it's not a nature or nurture it's probably all kinds of stuff going on you know I mean I think some people are most likely born with defective Minds right we all agree with that

146:16there's definitely people that have uh challenged uh learning disabilities also sorts of issues in uh dyslexia there's all sorts of things that we're absolutely aware of well there's got to be for sure some that would lead a person to not understand when they're causing other people harm or not care or or like it right this is what's I mean this a sociopath right that's see I like to believe that because okay and this is you know an infinite NeverEnding argument right some people believe humans are meat robots self-awareness comes from the sum total of all these different processes running at once and now we have this awareness of the self whatever that may be some people think that there is an infinite NeverEnding undying pixel that is gr that a human is grown around and that thing goes on forever and that thing is um made of Love or for lack of a better word it

147:17is um right right so the idea is and I I like to believe this idea as crazy as it may sound anyone can be redeemed Redemption is possible for all humans living today there is a way to stop your forward momentum in the direction of selfishness and start moving in the direction of being a little bit less of a prick I believe that maybe people that have the inclination or they have the potential to be a psychopath if they were raised by kind loving people would develop patterns of behavior that are consistent with civilization and with Harmony and Community like maybe what you get when you get a psychopath is the combination of really shitty upbringing child abuse all sorts of awful verbal and emotional that happens to people and physical that happens to people when they're young end these traits yeah and also maybe maybe some of those traits are triggered by

148:14genes expressing themselves in time of great duress which is one of the things that I was talking about that I forgot earlier I I started on it but I never finished it I I was talking about the people that came over on these boats their their gut biome if we're talking about someone who is on a boat for 60 days eating beef jerky and they come over here with scurvy they're desperate their body's eating itself I mean literally their body's eating itself you you your your bones are weak your lack of vitamin C is causing you to get ill and then you land on this beach and you're in an insane spiration mode and you're already a piece of right you're already a monster you're already some monster from Europe and you come over here with a a free past to wreak havoc these aren't even people look they're brown they don't look anything like us right they get us gold hey get that gold how

149:08do I how do you want me to get it any way you can get it okay I'm just cut that dude's arm off till he gives me gold right I mean what this is all what we know happened right yeah when you're starving I wonder if you really are a different person like when you hear about people like the um the people that came over on the the pass in Colorado the Doner party yeah wind up eating each other cuz they froze to death out there and they they didn't know what to do and there was no Foods they just started eating each other like what what is the switch that goes off like what who are you when that happens are you even the same person right if you really are if you're personality consists of this ecosystem that we call your body which we know for a fact has all sorts of different stuff that's going on there's different stuff on your skin there's different stuff in your body

149:55there's all sorts of different bacteria that coexists with you and even exists in a symbiotic way right like you need all these things inside your body to consume the food like it's part of your digestive system right eoli is a natural part of the human digestive tract right it's all in there right yes what what what are you when you're starving are you are you like some crazy wolf person like what ises a person like I mean what are they like how how scary is someone when they're a day from starving to death and they have a knife well man I mean this is the question of Free Will versus no free will you're saying if you get in a stressful situation does some kind of mechanism of the uh swarms of organisms that make up yourself kick in where you no longer are capable of making decisions that's what I'm saying I mean do you are you even you absolutely I I don't think it ever goes away and I

150:52think that you always have this weird autonomy that the universe will try to trick you into thinking isn't there and then suddenly you become a um now of course though I think if you look at the uh Judicial System there is a form of murder where you don't uh temporary insanity is what they call it right so you know there's like people who temporarily have lost their mind and stabed someone to death they prove that in court and then in that case you don't even go to jail you've killed someone cuz you're were temporarily insane but I don't know man I think that that mostly mostly if you really watch yourself you realize that you're you're pretty much in control man like you're when I watch myself when I'm about to be an like if I'm about to do something cuz I'm hangry as they call it you're talking about the ultimate version of hangry which is where you result to cism

151:52hungry and tired hry hry hungry and angry hry angry hry so like uh yeah how did I get tired where I get hungry hry that's hired but but that's hired in a shitty job but but uh so but if you look at yourself even in that when you're having like biochemical going down and you're about to say something nasty to somebody usually or do something nasty usually you're a you're like I'm about to I'm like do I give into this horrible impulse yes do I just all just open my up and spray yeah yeah right do I do it and then you do it then you do it you say you know what I'm going to spray and it's it's it's just like coming too it's just like coming because it's like when you're about to if you want to this thing when you watch yourself about to have an orgasm right and you watch it build and build and build and build and eventually it gets to a point where you're going to decide to come or you

152:50can't control it maybe and you're going to come but you can watch it build and build and build but when you come the orgasm is like a mild seizure of Joy your body goes through these like there's a whole B your entire body has a reaction right so in the same way when you start getting angry it's just like when you're about to come it's building and building building and then you're like you know what I'm going to tell this person how I really feel day but you're angry and then wof all this weird seizure happens stuff comes out of your mouth you don't even mean it's like half real half not real so but you decide you decide when to squeeze the trigger it's not something that you don't have control of at least mostly right and people who fool themselves into thinking that they don't have control those are the ones who I think relegate themselves into the world of

153:51being some kind of machine some kind of like vicy machine I I right but you know that's not really the Free Will argument right you know the full free free will argument right I know some free will arguments I the most compelling one the determinism one what what's compelling about it is that it doesn't exonerate you from your decisions but what it does say is essentially to think that you are somehow or another separate from the influence of your life and that the influence of your life hasn't in some way influenced the way you decide to act and behave and that a lot of those factors that led you influencing the way you act and behave or LED to you uh changing the way you act and behave are completely out of your control and um almost unavoidable in their impact and that these things shape you in some immeasurable way that you'll never be completely autonomous from you never be

154:47able to completely separate yourself from the influence of your genetics of your life experiences of your neighborhood of your mom of your dad you're upbringing the developmental period where you may or may not have been ignored or abused or all those factors play a part in how you decide to behave and even how you decide to deal with how you decide to behave even your your own therapy like if you decide hey man I'm tired of all over people with my every time I my temperature boils up at the end of the day I'm going to figure out how to not come home from A Hard Day's Work at the factory and beat my wife like even that is potentially determined by your p and not really you having free will to decide not to be a piece of anymore okay right so the this okay so by the way this is not my theory this is uh this is more uh of a shitty explanation of what some people have argued and

155:40Harris argued it on the podcast or I wouldn't say he's argued it he um I would say that he explained it in a very interesting way it's compelling you have to think about it and take it into consideration when you use terms like Free Will well I would do I mean so it gets down to this point of decision right so when I look at like a lot of the decisions that I make uh they're spontaneous and they're not I'm not sitting around thinking like how am I going to turn my steering wheel at this moment as I'm on the interstate what mild adjustments am I going to make this is all just a kind of spontaneous thing that seems to be part of autopilot and I know a lot of people are running on autopilot in most of what they do but I still don't think that it it it negates free will it's like a you could think of your life as a boat and everyone's in a different shaped boat and the boat's

156:37been shaped by experience genetics gender all boat just from my vision what kind of boat am it what kind of boat am I in yeah what kind of boat my boat has to has a Gray beard and one ball brother just trying to picture a fishing boat are we in a a cruise liner let let's just say it's a for a lot of people it ain't a cruise liner right raft for a lot of people it's a raft that's built of different things that they've decided to grab out of the infinite World of phenomena and Hammer together to create some kind of vessel which is their reality tunnel that they're living living in and they're navigating this raft and so sure some people they might have a boat that is a little more cumbersome and a little more difficult to navigate Through The Never Ending string of decisions that you have to make if you exist inside of time but still you can there's parts of

157:39that boat I guarantee it man there's parts of your boat that you can revise you might not be able to change at all you're probably not going to be able to change your skin color you're not going to be able to change your yet people are certainly changing the gender of their boats you know people are doing that right now and I think as technology continues to advance uh we're going to find that we're more in crisper I think we're going to find we're more and more able to like actually change the structure of our boats according to our desire but if you really analyze what's going on in your life you will see that you are actively making decisions from moment to moment that are and and who's making the decision well I don't know well that's where it gets weird right if you want to say it's your gut biome if you want to say it's the end of a NeverEnding series of decisions made by

158:29a never- ending string of wait a minute why does it have to be either or isn't it all these things I mean that I think that's where the argument gets really weird because I think it's all these things yeah it's life experiences and its genetics and its choices and its Consciousness and it's the willful expression of positive ideas and forcing them on your life and what is the motivation behind that is it your past is it what you've learned is it a inspirational YouTube video you watched this afternoon who cares whatever it is it's a bunch of it's a bunch of going on all over the place and I think the idea of separating that is akin to the idea of separating us from all of the life that's on this planet I think we've done a weird thing with houses and clothes and cars we've done a weird thing where we're not touching the world anymore we're not touching it with our feet we're not

159:20tching with ourin we're allergic to a buch of we can't get on us we can't go anywhere near certain animals if they touch your skin you get hives there there's a bunch of stuff that we've done in separating ourselves from the natural world that's left us really confused and I think one of those confusions lies in when we've created civilizations and cities we've lost our contact our physical contact we don't have a physical contact the physical contact to Nature is all playing through the bottom of your boots uh you're breathing it in still do you occasionally touch it yeah you occasionally brush up against a tree but whatever influence these things have through each other in this insane network of interwoven root systems and melium and fungus and rotting leaves and animals all around you and all that stuff you you get through a filter now all that stuff you get through your car

160:17window all that stuff you get through your clothes yeah sure you don't you're not in contact with that stuff anymore and by not being in contact with it you forget that it has a message like when you when you lay in the grass just lay in the grass just go somewhere and lay in the grass it feels good it actually feels like the planet is like like hug like you're hugging someone when you hug someone it feels good sure it feels good to lay in a nice long as there's no bugs ants might crawl up your feels good to Temporary laying lay if you don't lay down in a fire Hive and get up by a bunch of bees or bees by a bunch of bugs but I think that if you go into nature on a daily basis like there was something that I I I read the other day that I tweeted about them them some forget who the what the University was they're literally saying that there is an argument that a certain

161:09amount of nature is like like a vitamin anti-depressant yeah well like you get vitamin D from the Sun there's a certain amount of ality a certain amount of positive like life force that you get from being in nature makes sense man I mean I know that totally makes sense whenever I go out I mean just like anything just like I got I got plants now that I have to water so another thing I was going to talk to you about I was going to ask you do you think if these if these scientists are correct obviously they are about this interconnection between plants and about how they they communicate with each other and about how they even allocate resources to those that are in need is it up to keep keep plants is it up to keep something that you decide no you're going to leave in this box man you're going to live in this box right here let's round just keep looking for the

161:58outside keep spinning around keep looking you know you're not going to communicate with anybody else cuz there isn't anybody else it's just you it's just you lonely and up sitting in this pot or can they communicate through the air are they communicating through the air and if it does does it get through your windows man I got 7,000 things I got to feel bad about before I'm a house plants laying there but should you have plants in your house in a pot should they all be outside I mean if they're outside with their friends no problem right if they're outside you you you got a yard and you dig a hole and you put your plant in there and you water it and it grows and it's a part of the whole system that's like a dog with a yard otherwise you're you got a German shepherd and you keep him in a little tiny kitchen you got them penned in there you ever do the

162:44thing where you start thinking about how funny the concept of inside and outside is you ever do that like it's so funny because it's like okay in my house I'm now inside even though there's just like a layer of wood around me I'm in some other place that's different than the outside even though you know you're you're really there is no such thing inside I'll do you one better how about how about this how about the phrase The Great Outdoors right what you mean reality you mean the Earth itself like it is odd to be an enthusiast of the world itself yeah we spend so much time in these artificially created environments with air conditioning and neon light is it neon no depends LCD light LCD now mostly I think this is not LCD though fluorescent right that's what I'm looking for neon neon's like uh cigars yeah um but these artificial environments that we create we're in

163:45them way more than we are the outside so when we're actually in the outdoor we can call ourselves I'm an Outdoorsman what do you like to do I like to do The Great Outdoors yeah that's what I like bro sure I like to be in The Great Outdoors The Great Outdoors is instead of saying the world nature I'm a nature Enthusiast I love nature in all its forms man including houses virtual reality not not just being in a house Joe but being inside another Universe inside the house that is what I like and it's and also guess what because a lot of anti-r people they're like when are you ever GNA you'll forget about outside no I go outside enjoy the sun enjoy my shitty little garden with a un speaking of cruelty to plants God forbid you become one of my plants God forbid may you never be one of my plants but I still go out there and I try to keep him alive but man VR

164:47is such a beautiful thing because it creates the same almost the same sense of like you know like when you go in a big space and it feels good I don't know why but you a Ware it could be a shitty warehouse but if it's big if you go into like an expansive plane you're like ah feels good I put up pictures up from the Vatican I was in the Vatican last week or two weeks ago and I went to St peters's Basilica and I put a bunch of photos of it on my Instagram feed have you ever been to the Vatican not yet you got to go first of all it is trippy psychedelic there's a giant pine cone okay they have this huge Courtyard with a huge pine cone which represents the pineal gland and these two peacocks that represent eternal life peacocks apparently that's I took that photo um the uh the guide was super psyched when I knew what the pine cone meant his eyes lit up and I said it represents the

165:40pineal gland right and he's like how do you know that and then we started talking about Christianity and its potential roots in psychedelic drugs and ancient Roman culture and how you know like the John Marco Allegro book The Sacred Mushroom in the scroll where he thought that what Christianity was initially was a bunch of stories where they hid these psychedelic rituals in Parables and stories to hit it from the Romans because when they were being conquered by the Romans they didn't want them to know how magical the mushrooms were and if they were connection to God and that the pineal gland like I forget the actual uh chemical composition of DMT but or not the uh not DMT rather but mushrooms but what DMT is dimethyltryptamine is in some form that's what happens to psychedelic mushrooms when you take ancoc cybin I think it's I think it's like four Fox for aloy and then I'm I know I'm

166:35butchering it and and dimethyl tryptamine but it's some version of dimethyl tryptamine is produced when you consume cocy and mushrooms so these guys knew that they knew that and then it was a part of their art and it represented that pineal gland this giant 15t Tall Pine Cone represented what they thought was the seed of the Soul that's why it's sitting there in this this gigantic tray being held up by angels and and whoever those The Soul Man seed of the Soul see that's the VR goggles for the soul that's what that is that's the way we peer into this Dimension look at the St Peter's Basilica these photos this is from something that they built in the 1600s with no they had no computers they had no power tools they had no any there's photos on my Instagram there it is so cool dude you you're seeing it right now in a picture and I'm telling you it doesn't do it

167:33justice this thing's insane it took hundreds of years to fully complete and the size of it and the scale of it it's mind there's one photo that I put where you can see the actual people in the background look at the size of that place and that is a small sliver of how big the place is I'm telling you it's not doing it any justice it's perfect the artwork is staggering I mean stag everybody talks about the sine Chapel the sine Chapel is pretty beautiful I mean without a doubt it's it's a modern I mean not a modern an amazing work of art but it ain't compared to St Peter's Basilica look at that it's the allseeing eye dude this is that's the that's the sun roof that's the that's an eyeball yeah whatever it is I don't know down now look at that that's definitely an eyeball man bunch of people in the eyeball and they're Angels there's Angels got stuck in God's

168:27eyeball couldn't that just be light isn't it possible that's just a light no Joe look right underneath that eye see that pyramid right under the eye dude how the did they even climb up there that that's a um a photo of Hercules that last one that's a gigantic bronze Hercules that they buried in the second century they built it in the second century ad but it got hit by lightning twice and they went this thing's haunted so they buried it they buried it underground they didn't find it until 1864 wow is that amazing dude that the Vatican is a mind that floor is 1700 years old and you walk on it everybody walks on it thousands of people a day walk on a 1700 year old Mosaic floor pretty cool man that's where they say they've got all these like hidden manuscripts and that no one's ever going to see that's what you would initially gravitate to would Secrets the secrets are you kidding the

169:21vatican's filled with Secrets man little boy Secrets they've not just that lots of other too man they've been gathering information I mean think about it it's like they they've controlled so many world leaders who have done confessions and you think that the Vatican doesn't like when a world leader gives a confession doesn't write that down put it in the live they probably have confessions of some of the greatest Kings they they knew everything man this the priest class you're freaking me out oh it's true you're freaking me out anyway I hope I am should be man that's a Vatican think about what that is that's they're a country yeah it's a country yeah it's a small country it's a 100 Acre country every time a Catholic puts money in a bowl it a little bit of that money makes it to that place that's the Nexus point of dough for one of the world's one one branch of the world's main

170:21religions that's a that's just all the money people who are like just at the end of their rope people who have like $3,000 left in their bank account but they're like you know what I'm going to give this to the church because God will bless me they give that money to the church and that money goes straight to building a shitty lightning catching statue that's what all the all the money of people who desperately needed it for actual things has gotten sucked to the Vatican where it's used to build gold Thrones that the pope sits on and talks about the importance of Charity it's hilarious well he the new guy doesn't do it anymore the new guy doesn't do the he doesn't sit on the throne no he has a a real chair vaan secret archive six of the most intriguing documents in church history oh my God documents from the Galileo heresy trial I'd throw that one out if I the Catholic Church let's

171:19forget about that let's forget about that she told me you wouldn't want to read that when they were telling him hey dude you're wrong the Earth is the center of the Universe now either you want to stay in that attic for the rest of your life like that uh serial killer lady remember that lady serial killer lady what was her name that killed all the young women Henry viith asking for a divorce an analment A King has to ask your permission you've become so powerful kings are like can I please break up with my girlfriend that's Henry VII he was the one that chopped their heads off right yeah that's the ultimate annulment that's when he got sick of sending letters how stupid is that they still use v i i i we had a guess you know you said the seventh and I said the eighth I had a count those L lines oh that reminds me I'm sure you've already talked about this in the podcast

172:09and it's stupid so go ahead and call me stupid if and I'm sorry don't pre-claim things you know about the baron you know the baron stained Bears thing yes yes all yeah we we talked about it back well Vice had a whole article about it I didn't I didn't really remember it so it wasn't that much of a revelation to me I don't think I read that when I was a kid I was more of a Dr Seuss type kid I didn't understand that it was everybody thought it was Steen but it was that's what I thought yeah I definitely thought that but the idea that some people remember that Nelson Mandela died in prison and some people think he got out that's the trippiest idea well have you ever you know the the queen song We Are the Champions yeah everybody think it ends with of the world but it doesn't it just ends and everybody tries to sing of the world but it doesn't end that way

172:58like there's a funny thing that this guy does on YouTube where he gets in a car and he drives people around they lip sync they sing along like karaoke rather they sing along to songs and they're singing along to the queen song We Are the Champions and it gets to the end and it's George um what the his name the actor George Clooney um Julia Roberts and someone else I forget who the other person is and they're singing along and it gets to the end and they all want to say of the world and it doesn't say that and they're like what the and they're all confused and I thought it did too everybody does it seems like there's a a a line that we all collectively decided was missing from that song yeah it's a collective of memory time traveler proof I wish we could play it but we can't play it they'll yank us off YouTube but find the video see just see if you could find

173:47the video so we could tell people what video to watch cuz it's hilarious watching George Clooney get to the end and want to say of the world we are the champions my friend what a bad Freddy Mercury was you ever listen to Queen every now and again oh yeah throw on some Queen it's insane Jesus he was good yeah he was so good so good Bohemian rap city you play that you're like what like what a what an amazing piece of expression he seems like he was one of the most disciplined people when it came to his work like it's he seems like somebody who is constantly working on his voice just a workaholic maybe maybe for sure unbelievably talented and and and had an incredible knack for expressing himself I was listening to some NPR interview with a I can't remember it's the famous Broadway singer and she's talking about what she does every day and it's crazy oh to sing on Broadway oh my God she's

174:49like it's like 3 hours of physical exercise a day mixed in with an hour of meditation mixed in with vocal exercises so it's like every single day she's doing like a eight hour prep for this that she's doing it's amazing when you hear about people who are that disciplined yeah that's not good for us we can't do that dude here it is this is them they get to the end oh it's Gwen Stefani was the other one we are the CH are the Champions okay we can play it because it's not the music it's just them singing but we can't do it because it's their yeah it's they'll be mad too it's James Cordon show who's James Cordon The Late Late Show he took over for Craig Ferguson this past year I think here they go they get to the part at the end no we don't have to see this I'm scared yeah we're going to get yanked off YouTube uh there was a big thing uh that I tweeted today where some guy was talking about

175:49his audio book being on YouTube oh yeah I saw that yeah and people this guy said that he sold 50,000 audio books but there was like 19,000 views or something like that on YouTube and he was like what in the like that's a giant chunk of the people that have listened to my book pirated it right you know and he's like hey I get this is how I make a living like I get paid for this stuff it's interesting because you know obviously YouTube has them up and they you know somehow or another someone puts it up there and they didn't get it down without a request like you have there's not an algorithm that finds it you have to find it so like it's totally possible I'm sure a lot of your bits are up there somewhere where someone's put them up and they put them up on their Channel you just you don't know you mean from the podcast from podcast from standup from but imagine if you had a book and

176:35you made all your money if you're an author you make all your money off the audiobook or a big a percentage at least can't they just claim do a copyright claim it seems like you just get it off but those 19,000 views he doesn't get those are gone you know right like how many of those 19,000 views would have translated into him selling an audio book is the real question that is the real question if any and here's the real question for stand-ups right the the question is when your bits make it on YouTube like say if you do a Comedy Central special in particular right and then your bits make it on YouTube the more people pirate your stuff I don't know if you call it pirating but more they take it and they put it on YouTube the more people are going to see you the more people going to come to see you the more it's going to be worth it to you to do another Comedy Central special right

177:22so it becomes different for us because we we kind of exist for the live shows like the live show is the big big part of what we do right yeah and anything that'll get more people to go to the live shows is like a better thing right yeah yeah I would think so not for an author for that guy he's he feels like he got you know well I think wasn't he's saying that like YouTube's like culpable here like YouTube's making money off of the thing in some indirect way that and and acting like they're not like it it is like who's the person who is cuz the person who uploaded it are they generating money from the thing or they did they just upload it because they love it that's a good question I don't know yeah that that that's where it gets weird is and and I think in the article he was saying how you know with a lot of music now thank God when you upload it on your YouTube stream they

178:13just get a they just get the profits from whatever you're advertising it and that's way better than what it used to be they just need to they need to upgrade the system so this guy gets the same deal he has with audible anytime somebody listens to the book yeah I me I definitely think that he deserves that for sure but here's my weirdness about all this you know we were talking about language and the limitations of language and the eventuality of a virtual reality and I wonder how we're going to digest data and information in a virtual world like if people decide like what if you decide that you want to read books in a virtual world yeah and this is how you want to read books the way you want to read books is with your feet up on the couch in your mansion in your virtual world while these girls around you like finger bang themselves with uh high heels on and queens Fat Bottom Girls you

179:07make the rocking world go around plays in the background and you get to sit down and read books in a virtual world yeah what happens then like what what happens when you're watching movies in a virtual world well that that's probably that would be stupid same as streaming I think the movies would be they would exist I think movies in a virtual world like they're definitely coming right and they're going to you're going to exist in the world like you're not going to sit down and watch a movie that's no they have great the theaters in VR now you can sit down put on a movie and watch it on the on like a massive screen in VR why would you don't you think why do they do that is there limitations in the medium where they can't have it uh the movie play out in front of you like if you went to see jaws right I don't know it's kind of nice to watch a movie floating in space I don't mind that the

179:53virtu there's an app called virtual desktop where you like you put on your VR goggles and suddenly your desktop is wrapped around you a giant screen giant screen wrapped around you that you then can like pull up any kind of movie you might want to watch and so you just like can sit in there and watch and if you look down you you see space yeah that's it virtual desktop now the problem with VR when you look at that the problem with VR on like people looking at it on the Internet is it you cannot convey how cool it looks from looking at it that way like it is suddenly there's this massive thing in front of you does space look real what does space look real um it it looks real enough pretty I wouldn't say that it I mean I I wouldn't say really realistic I think they're probably some there's got to be by now some 360 videos that are actually from the from Hubble but it looks good enough

180:56for you're like this is incredible well what's the benefit of like they're just watching you play a video game what's the benefit of playing a video game on a screen in a virtual world instead of playing the video game in the virtual world well I I think but honestly in that case I don't know like I've I started a game up in there I just like this but you hear you see what I'm saying here because like he's clicking menus and stuff he's using it like computer yeah I think it's uh I don't know if the benefit is the right thing to look for there it's just it's just badass to like suddenly be completely immersed in a new environment doing like whatever the work is that you want to do though with virtual desktop I just use it to watch documentary about breeding yeah but what I'm thinking is like would you rather like okay right there perfect example you're looking at a screen right clearly

181:47a floating screen if you watch Jaws in that floating screen that would not be as good as if you were sitting in your living room when you're looking down you were on the boat with Roy shider when he was like we're going to need a bigger boat Oh you mean like if there was like a VR Jaws yes oh yeah that'd be cool it just doesn't exist yet right but that's what I'm saying like that's going to happen right of course yeah that'll definitely happen for sure no question and when they do things like that like will you be able to enjoy other things in that world like will you be able to go into that world like here were in the Swiss Alps where the are in a fake would you be able to go to this place and put on an a podcast like would you be able to like look down at your phone find The Duncan trussle Family hour and start streaming it live on your phone while you're skiing down the side of this

182:35virtual Hill would you be a do that you can already there's you could already you could already do that yeah look I mean look man this is like Rick and Morty's video game is in VR is is accepting that you're NVR and and there there yeah there's like there's a there's all kinds of you could do in there like for example man there's a um in one of these games called fantastic Contraption which is one of the most site dude show split reality fantastic Contraption if you looked at this where people have managed to put up a green screen so that and interpolate the two videos so it looks like you're actually in the game that's the close show that fantastic Contraption is this everything in there is psychedelic but check this out when you see people in the in the reality itself yeah there you go whoa watch what he does there so this guy's walking around this is what he's seeing

183:29so what we're looking at what we he's seeing is this going to we going to kicked off you YouTube for this you don't need the audio don't no audio please I'm worried so this guy's moving around and while he's moving around he's doing a bunch of stuff he's got a bunch this one though for sure there's like well just explain to the people listening what we're seeing oh yeah you're you're just seeing like in fantastic Contraption what is that what is fantastic Contraption you're in this like weird putting green and you have to build these amazing devices to um the way unfortunately these videos you're not seeing the guy actually form the like watch this what am I watching Duncan people are listening watch this oh sorry you're seeing look at this look at this you have to stretch out these like tubes to build this weird device device that you like then automates itself to try to I

184:21me honest to God talking about it you feel like a you're listening to an 8-year-old talk about a drawing that they made like what what what are you talking about it's it's impossible to convey it's a game and it's a game where this guy's moving he's got devices in his hand and then devices move things in the virtual world he's holding on to these two like U controllers but this is not a good if you look up create doesn't matter it's pry cool yeah you'll see it on Friday I'll show you I've got it listen what we need to talk about is porn what's that like Duncan what's it like in this world what's it like so um I mean it's like I'll tell you something even better than porn man uhoh um here's what's really cool about VR that I don't think a lot of people have caught on to maybe a few of them have cu the porn of course is amazing it is UN it is if anything is

185:16going to drive VR and I hope everything drives VR it's going to be the porn because the porn that is shot for VR is very very close to like experiencing having sex with someone obviously minus the body right there's no body there there's no body there but it's amazing and it's going to cause a lot of great and hilarious problems and I'm excited to hear the outrage that comes from the world when people start realizing that every single person on earth now has access not just to in a voyerism that is that's that's whoa this girl's ass is insane and so she's right in front of you but this is they're not doing a good job with this because it's got two eyeballs well that's just how it yeah you you you have to use Virtual desktop to bring those two things together like the the porn that you download is broken up and stereoscopic so the VR goggles bring it together to

186:21create so you have to get specific programs that are designed for this right yeah like uh yeah just Google search Reddit how not to watch VR porn and so these guys that are watching it like we're watching this guy who's sitting on this bed and like he looks like he's doing everything to keep from coming in his pants he's laugh like I don't ever watch porn like that there's like sheer joy into him watching that porn like what you're talking about is something that's very different than watching a two-dimensional screen it's it's as different as sex in watching a two-dimensional screen except there's no body there I mean you are in you look you can look around you can like you know like for example let's say there was a and by the way I'm not doing this A friend of mine watches it but let's say let's say that there was a um let's say that there was a uh a in in a

187:14in a VR porn experience there's a girl who's giving giving you a while another girl is shoving her in your face you can actually look up and see her not her you can look around her and see the see her face looking down at you just like it was really happening so that's VR porn that's what it's like so wait a minute you can look at her and then you can go back to the other girl sucking your dick you could you have you can move anywhere you could stare at feet if you're a weirdo or not if you just were a fan of feet either way either way either way it's it's it's and it's still game changer it's a game Cher man it's a game changer and it's one of the many freedoms that virtual reality is offering people it's like you were saying who wants to you know like even just watching a movie in 2D in your virtual reality room is pretty awesome maybe you don't have the

188:08greatest apartment right but you put on VR goggles and suddenly your apartment has transformed into a into a m massive beautiful space in the HTC VI it comes with like VR home and there's two different versions but when you go into the space you feel that same sense of expansiveness that you get from being in a big space like it's your body still like feels like it's you know you're in a you still feel that weird sense of Freedom that you feel when you're in a big space and you're not there it's beautiful man it's like one of the most liberating incredible Technologies I think that a lot some people are giving it a little bit of a hard time right now because they see the game from YouTube and they think those Graphics look like but let me tell you man do Minecraft and VR like I just I did Minecraft and VR I play Minecraft and VR regularly now but you do Minecraft and VR and when suddenly

189:13you're perched on the edge of a cliff looking down on some hyper colored underground river your body initially reacts in the same way it reacts to being at the edge of a real Cliff your balance gets weird you're like it's that real that's the vibe the HTC VI is in insane Jesus I can't wait to show you man it's like it just works it doesn't it doesn't mess up like anytime I want to now I can go like I've I've made a room in my house where now I can just put on these goggles and I'm instantly in oh there's a game called hover junkers which is so fun so you um you you could you could probably pull it up you ride around like it knows how big the space is that what's called your play Space it knows how big it is so you're riding in a craft in this play Space shooting weapons at people flying around in these other things yeah it's so you could like you could all go in

190:19your garage and you could uh the garage would become the environment where you're playing your game oh yeah man you're not in your garage anymore you're flying around on that thing shooting at people which means you actually have to be good at shooting like you have to be able to aim this isn't like pressing buttons like you need to know how to fire at least some some what what are you holding are you holding a fake gun no you're holding these controllers that feel exactly like a they feel very close to a gun and it's got haptic technology so when you're shooting it's vibrating I wonder if this would actually teach you how to shoot better they have they have a great archery program is is it making your archery better uh it's making me not do archery because I just do it it's way easier are you good at it are you good at this archery yeah me doing real

191:08archery definitely translated into me playing look up the I'm sorry to keep asking you look up stuff Jamie look up uh archery the lab VR this is one of my favorite archery programs they also have a VR boxing which I haven't tried yet but which I'm excited about because that that seems like you could really train people to learn out of box let's see I'm I don't know if this is yeah that's that's a different archery programm than the one that look up the lab it's it's valve look up valve archery VR oh there it is yeah this one's really fun man yeah this one is cool you just shoot at these little guys who are trying to infiltrate your key who so you're shooting at things yeah and it's so fun it's a game oh my God are you are you pulling a bow back like what are you doing in your hands so you have two controllers you're pulling them back there's haptic so it vibrates

192:11according to the the tension of the bow string and then when you want an arrow you're reaching behind your back and pulling it from behind your back that is nuts man yeah it's so fun wonder if it actually could help your archery skills for sure the only problem is it's really weird because you get used to like um it's different because you use a compound bow but you know you get no it's it's kind of the same you get used to like I have a place on my cheek where I put my Thum The Anchor Point changes cuz the goggles up your so you have to get used to a new anchor point but it's still pretty fun I mean how often you get to shoot at things and and like an archery range like this yeah this is wild and I wonder I mean they should definitely be able to do something like this for uh like Compound Bows Oh yeah definitely say go deer hunting with it there's another archery

192:58program that you can get on Steam that looks pretty cool uh I can't remember the name of it though but it it looks a little bit more I guess realistic well they have an archery program see if you could find this archery program where you shoot at a a virtual screen you actually shoot a real bow at uh these images on a screen and this uh like you you go to like in front of like a giant movie theater type thing and you stand in front of this thing and these animals walk by that's cool and they run from you and they hide and you got to sneak up on them and shoot arrows at them I mean I'm sure this will be translated into VR and I'll tell you Joe if I was if I were you man I would be developing for VR right now developing yeah God damn it it's like I'm not a developer I would I there are so many ideas that you will have when you try these goggles on where you're going to

193:46be like this this needs to exist in the world get this developed man because it's going to like there's so many things that once you experience it we're like oh someone needs to build this someone like for example a boxing Jam's nodding in the in the one hour I think I got a demonstration of it I was just sitting there asking the guy so what about when someone gets a hold of this and they start thinking about doing this thing and what about when Rockstar gets it and then they start thinking about making Grand Theft Auto this way he's like yes exactly your brain just well Fallout is coming for the Vive which is going to be pretty cool but dude for the and they have like a a boxing program that looks like it's still in development but a a real boxing program because it tracks the controllers perfectly in real time so you could actually learn how to box yes wow someone needs to build a

194:38real not only learn how to box but you could train with the great boxers like maybe you can throw kicks too well you would have to have something on your foot you'd have to have another addition seems like that could be done with boots right easily man easily kind of sneakers he could get a great workout too oh I'm sure remember when people were doing Dance Dance Revolution they lost tons of weight yeah that was a huge thing yeah a lot of guys lost and gals lost a ton of weight off that Dance Dance Revolution game because it was so fun to do well that's what's funny about VR is that right now when people think of a video gamer they don't you're not going to hear someone say oh they're lean and tan and they like are de they have such Dexter but now when you think of a someone who's great at VR they're going to you got to be in there's the boxing program I'm going to download it

195:26the creators of this seem like they're super cool son I think I could get a good workout with this they have VR pool too how good I don't want that pool's real but see the thing about this is this is something that you could do on your own and get a workout in what I what I find interesting about this too is you could tune a dude up and you don't feel bad about it right exactly now what you need to do eventually is they're going to have something that looks like this but it's a robot like both things like you have a thing that you can actually hit well no you could just you could already I'm I'm sure there's a way that you could hang a bag and um cuz like okay so when I um what I'm talking about something that hits back well yeah that's that that's going to be something that like doesn't have to have a lot of power it could have like a really mushy arm and it it it

196:17knows how to move the way the way you move like it's actually throwing punches at you so if it hits you it's not hurting you you know what that could be man it could be like a haptic face mask that registers the punch uh and vibrates so that you could feel it you know and and wherever it hits you it could be but it also could be like some sort of a robot that has inflatable arms and the inflatable arms moved with the program so as you're looking at Apollo Creed in front of you when he snaps his out at you pop he's he's throwing this like spongy almost like a inflatable raft balloon arm you know like when your little kids inflatable balloon toys you know like that like it's not going to hurt you at all it's just going to touch your face dude it would be incredible and and what's and what you're going to see man is people are going to get really good at this

197:09like if you're good at shooting and VR minus like the heft of the gun and the real kick of whatever gun in the real world you're using you're it's it's going to translate we are tomorrow at uh just floating Pasadena um Zach ly and I are testing out I think for the first time VR in a float tank and and Zack lir Timothy L's son Timothy L what are you up to dunk trussle huh you dropping out and tuning in and all that we're trying to induce the observer effect we've got this awesome guy Dustin who's uh helped us um help helped us build a floating in space program so the idea is is can you like induce the effect astronauts report when they're floating in space looking down on Earth if you if you put someone in the zerog G or the semi zogog of a float tank and give them the impression that they're staring down on planet Earth and we've got this genius designer who's I

198:05haven't looked at it yet dude you are freaking me the out right now well let's hope it works man I me this is something that makes sense to me in my world the world of the float yeah man well you like something like that like adding floating to it you know crash was trying to do something similar a long time ago he was developing programs he developed a screen crash from the float lab I should say he's the one of the big innovators of uh floating tanks in this country he developed a screen that had one of the lowest emissions of light possible so that when youd be lying down in this tank complete darkness you would look up at the screen and the amount of light came out it was so minuscule it allowed you to see clearly the images but didn't show a defined line of a screen so you were never removed from this idea that you're floating through the universe but in front of you all

198:52these things were playing out and he had this idea that you would learn things easier that way like you could watch like a golf documentary or a golf instructional rather and you could learn like how to swing a golf club properly because you would be seeing it through a first-person perspective well um Zach's dad had this idea I think it's called the Timothy ly Tim L you probably say who his dad was Tim Tim Timothy Larry had this idea of the eight circuits of con is it Zach's dad yeah man sweetie well I mean and he and and he was a sweetie Tim ly was like Tim Timothy ly was one of he was I put him on the same level as Galileo he was an incredibly brilliant human being and a lot of his ideas got lost in his like he he gets called an LSD propagandist but there's a lot of other he he was coming up with and um one of those was this model I think it's the eight

199:45circuits of consciousness the idea is that humans are meant to migrate into space and that in the same way like different creatures when they enter into new habitats they actually change a little bit there's or in other words like you take a a a sea turtle who's laid eggs in the sand and the first time a little baby sea turtle climbs out of the egg and and Burrows out of the sand it's a land creature until it hits water and then all of a sudden all this other instinctual kicks in and it learns how to be a sea turtle more than likely it gets eaten not a lot of them make it but the ones that survive become sea turtles right so so the idea is that humans are meant for Interstellar for for TR for travel in space and that if we go into zerog then over the what could potentially happen uh are changes in in our psyche and maybe even in our genetic makeup like maybe if if we go into space

200:47long enough we'll start transforming into some new creature that we were meant to be so what was it Ed Mitchell that was talking about the um the experience of being in space that he would like to take everybody up there and that you would realize how ridiculous boundaries are and how ridiculous Wars are if you could see the Earth as a whole the way he saw it Ed Mitchell is he still alive I believe he is Ed Mitchell we're trying to do it for you brother Ed Mitchell's not alive no he died ah well he was an interesting guy he was an interesting one because he was really into UFOs especially before he died he was one of the the more compelling cases of someone who went into space and came back with a profound belief in UFOs right but you know the it's always hard you don't know the guy I don't know the guy I don't know what his motivation was I hope he was being honest but there's a

201:40lot of money in UFOs and if you're a astronut you want to cash in that's the best way I'm not I'm not saying that he would do it I'm not saying that but the cynic in me has to always go well how well do they take care of their astronauts I mean how well do they get paid I'll tell you what man if you can tap into some of that sweet sweet UFO money UFO dough there's a lot of money in them UFO books Little Green Men I want little green Bits of Paper I mean it's not like Hillary Clinton speaking fees but if you can get a former US astronaut who went to the moon to sit down and talk to you about the little green men that he might have seen or the idea that they might exist well you know what man you you know there are nefarious people in this world and I don't know if Ed Mitchell uh saw UFOs or not wouldn't surprise me that there are uh other creatures that you run into up there

202:32that for whatever reason you're not supposed to announce I don't know man but it's totally possible look if we could send a robot to Mars it's totally possible that something's up there it's totally possible that something is around Earth all the time we just don't get a chance to see it I mean this is what Terence McKenna always talked about he's like we spend all this money on these telescopes when for however you don't even most people won't even sell you DMT right they give it to you but like when you know just like however much it costs for whatever the device you use to inhale the DMT or however much the it cost you to get down to wherever the iasa shaman was or whatever it is you're going to encounter things that seem to have a personality that is not your personality and that they don't have a normal human body and you know I was just reading Alistair Crowley last night and he's

203:21talking about we use the term angel not because we're saying there's some Angel out there but it's more convenient than saying here is a representation of the higher form of human intelligence that is come in in the form of an archetype that our brains translate as an angel it's just easier to call it an angel for the sake of just prag ISM because you want to achieve some goal just call it a angel we used to call aliens Angels that's what we used to call is the idea of a person with no possible way of measuring what something is even if whether you have an experience you're not I have to take your word for it I'm assuming you had an experience you say it was an angel the idea of putting a label on that a definitive label like oh I definitely met an angel how the do you know what an angel is how do you know it was an alien it was definitely alien you sure it wasn't an angel how do

204:18you know you don't know you're guessing you don't know what an angel is or an alien is and as a matter of fact you shouldn't be able to say those words because you don't even know what the they mean either one of those words you're just saying nonsense and for you to be like super definitive about it like you're you're you're you're definitely sure that it was an angel or you're definitely sure that it was an alien you're crazy you don't even know what you saw you don't have anything you can bring back there's no physical matter when you brought to a scientist and a bunch of peer-reviewed scientists from all out the world studied it and determin that this was actually alien tissue no there's none of that so no matter what it is the label's ridiculous right and to get caught up in the label is is kind of to waste your time unless you're using the label as a as something

204:59to expedite your ability to Rec contact that thing in which case labels are fantastic but if you're using the label to say oh yes this is definitely an angel and then you're like getting in the most insanely stupid arguments over that then it's a bit of a waste of time but if you have an experience for example I don't know you smoke DMT and you come into contact with a self- transforming machine elf that as Terrence mcken hyperspace in hyperspace right so is that really what those things call themselves if they could no of course not but as a tool or a means of trying to in some way bring the uh Transcendent into this Dimension then language is a is a necessity you have no choice well not just that but in McKenna's case it was part of the Grand Theater of being someone who is uh a DMT evangelist right I mean part of his his art of what he is he's a performer like

205:58I'm a big fan of his lectures I I enjoyed watching him talk I enjoyed listening to him talk but part of what he was doing was very entertaining he had this oddly soothing voice This brilliant vocabulary and one of the things he did in one of these interviews that he did uh he was not interviews rather uh he used do Q&A with the audience ask him questions about psychedelic drugs and things along those lines um someone was asking him something and he said you know they were like well what can you do and how do you differentiate and how do you keep from being arrested he goes well note I use big words you know and he's he's a legitimate scholar and he's like if you come up with slogans like Drop Out tune in like the turn on drop out yeah he goes that's when they come and he goes I keep it LO key I have these small meetings they rarely get over a thousand

206:50people and uh I use a lot of really big words and uh I use the the richest vocabulary for description that I can muster up right was interesting because like you listen to him he's obviously like incredibly well educated right and Incredibly knowledgeable about the actual physical compounds of all these different psychedelics and their mechanisms for interaction and the monoamine oxidase Inhibitors and all these different things that he's saying that are like it causes like people who are not that smart to go okay what we saying we let them go let them keep talking yeah what do we do here I I I hope to God they don't care that much about people talking about that stuff man and I there's not they I don't I don't believe there's a they I really don't there's a few people that are they but those few people that are they they're bankers and they're industrialists and they're the military

207:40industrial complex the people that are earning money off of wars and controlling resources if you really think that somehow or another actively trying to uh encapture or capture people that are talking openly about psychedelics they don't have time for that dud by the way I really don't think they do have you seen the video of Tim ly in front of uh the Senate at a hearing that was like 1960 what was it I want to say it was like I don't know the year it's one of the funniest things ever though B cuz he's a mad man and he's in front of these like just hardcore politicians talking about the LSD experience erience do you think we'll get pulled off YouTube if we play that I think that's public don't we own that cuz it's a it should it should be that it'd be a historical thing seems there's a there's a amount of time that things have to right I don't know if it's like

208:33video I guess it depends on who filmed it like if it's a TV station filmed it it's theirs but if it's like the government filming it right I mean I don't know for sure like I I don't know you've seen video of it yeah there's definitely video footage it's on it there's a documentary right now called dying to know which is an amazing movie about um Romos and Timothy L's friendship and it sort of follows the scope of uh their lives together it's amazing it's well well shot but it's really but it's it's on there I'm surprised it's not um not anyway I had another question before I forget this again this is another thing I want to talk about earlier when you know the firmy Paradox you know the what where are all the aliens if civilization is so likely yes do you think looking at all this virtual reality this is something I explored I did a single podcast the other day which is me answering

209:29questions cool and somebody asked about the firmy Paradox and it really made me think about it even more and I've been thinking about it since then do you think it's possible that civilizations never get to travel through space because they get to this thing they realize that the real juice is in Virtual like why do you have to like physically tra Traverse between one galaxy to another when you could figure out a way through technology and ultimately through artificial intelligence creating infinitely more complex artificial reality yeah that we're going to never travel that all of our travel is going to be done internally well yeah I I do I think that that that is a great response to the firmy Paradox and I think that um our addiction to the idea that we are our body right is going to be something that Fades away over time and that we stop having this concept that I'm

210:20localized in my that my phys you know we live in a world where people believe that all they are is their body they think I am my physical body that's it that's what I am that's the sum total of me inside outside inside body outside everything else even though what we were talking about earlier we know that we're inextricably woven in to the fabric of every single thing so really your body is one part of the infinite universe and right now you have become completely fixated on it you think it's you so VR you put VR on first thing that happens which is one of my favorite things is you'll hold your you'll hold your hand up in front of your face right right and if you have the HTC Vibe you'll see their amazing controllers just floating in the air but then you'll look down there's no body there man you're looking down and it's just a blank space you don't have a body

211:16anymore now when someone touches you in VR it's really cool because you don't see them it's like a ghost is touching you and I'm not saying I've done this but if you were to have sex in VR you've done it never Joe I will never have sex out of wedlock but if you were to have sex in VR then suddenly you don't have a body anymore okay but you're having sex in VR with another person who's in VR with another person who so you have physical sex with someone and what do you see on the other side it depends on what you decide to be having sex in so you could you could have sex with your girlfriend and pretend it's like the Cookie Monster you could have sex with your girlfriend and just be laying uh on in some field looking up at the stars you could have the Cookie Monster feet up in the air like bug's Bunny and you're banging in the ass here's what's weird man this is

212:07what's really weird and no one understands it but with VR apparently people have tried it for some reason they can't do that there's no way to bring the Cookie Monster to the Cookie Monster are put a man on the moon we could the Cookie Monster absolutely man you could you could do that you you could you could definitely do that but but it's it's kind of like something about the philosophical implication of not having a body even if it's being induced by technology I'm sure you've taken a high enough dose of something where you merge into the universe and you feel like you don't have a self anymore you become so to imagine being able to induce that with VR so that now you've removed the thing that you've been identifying with your entire life your body as yourself and there's just a blank space yet Consciousness remains even though you know you have a body

213:02under when you take the goggles off you know it's there as time passes when you're wearing this you begin to forget about there you begin to forget about the external world and and when you finally do take the goggles off it's like oh oh the all right this is my office this is my office well that's the same thing that happens in some ways when you get in the tank when you're in the tank with no VR technology you sometimes have experiences where you go into like a dream state and you think things are happening that aren't really happening and then you wake up out of them and you're in the tank right and they happen in a crazy Vivid way because you don't have any sensory input you're not you're not feeling the like if you have a dream you're still feeling the bed most of the time like you're out of that stage and you're in this this dream Dimension but if for some reason you

213:51moved a little bit and you hit your pillow or your your foot touched the nightstand or something like that you're going to snap out of it when you're in that goddamn tank you don't feel anything yeah you're flying through space already that's it so you can almost like use that as a homemade virtual reality thing but absolutely but the ability to program is where things get squirrly yeah the ability to create any sort of scenario you would like yeah it's the best it's going to have so many therapeutic uses feedack haptic feedback yeah man it's it's like haptic so like you know one possible end result could be full-bodied haptic suits in float tank in the float tank you oh my God I just came well yeah it's it's one it's one of the potential uses of the thing I mean yeah all the there's just so M like just there's just so much it's gonna be able to that's gonna have I mean one

214:46thing I really hope people do is um and I was thinking about doing this man but like I always think about doing things like this I never do it so maybe one of you guys out there will do it is like bringing this to Old senior citizens homes and letting people who haven't experienced it who are maybe like not going to be in this Dimension much longer have a chance to like the future see what's going on because I think that'd be a great service for people people who are like uh paraplegics and hospitals to bring this technology to them and to let them experience you know the the freedom for a little while of the confines of their hospital rooms when you there's so many weirdly anti-r people man yeah people where you encountering themen seen anybody dude I was at a i well you know people are like G VR I've already heard that like you know it's gonna it's going to f it's like uh the

215:40it's like 3D TV that kind of people have saying this to you it's just some dick at a party there's no point talking about it guy was trying to impress a girl there was no girl around maybe he trying to you I him okay did you uh tell virtual reality is really he was neing me but he was trying to like yeah he's probably uh trying to uh prod you he didn't like the fact you're smarter than him it's I don't know if I was but I'll tell you it's going to be it's it's going to be one of the most powerful therapeutic tools uh that that's ever existed just what it what it's going to be able to do just for like you know you hear about there was a great I think it was a vice article I can't remember which article about a guy who has to program the music that people listen to during the mushroom uh studies that they're doing like what playlist do you play for someone who's undergoing psychedelic

216:35therapy right but for this tool for psychedelic therapy like the ability to there's a program oh my god when you come over I can't wait to show you this it's called sound self sound self and what it is is you put these goggles on and headphones that have a microphone on and you chant into the thing right so you're like oh and it it it takes that's it I me again this stuff is it takes that responds to your The Sounds you're making and then plays it back through your headphones so you hear your voice being transformed and replaced as like deeper or lower it's just very psychedelic and you're watching the images while you're hearing your voice that's being altered it's like you're doing rounds this is so cool how many people are going to be saying that what's this guy's video so we can get him some views what does it say Oculus Rift game sound self virtual

217:38reality guinea pig review yeah it's so cool God damn that and that's something if if you if you guys out there have oh my God look at that let's just yeah let's explain what we're watching what we're watching is these crazy three-dimensional computer uh animations that look like they look like psychedelic trips it looks like almost like a Gateway not DMT itself but like a gateway to DMT like right before you blow through like there's a moment there's a moment where you see like what I think what they describe is the flower of life before you blast on through to the other side now uh for those of you who have an HTC Vive if you want to use this game uh you can you can pay for the alpha it's 30 bucks this guy goggles with the eyeballs and then you've got to use something called the revive injector to get it to run anyone who has a Vive out there will

218:32know what I'm talking about because like what is the difference between I sry to interrupt you but what is the difference between Oculus Rift and a Vive so unfortunately Oculus has created has made a bunch of deals with developers to make EX exclusive content for the Oculus right and Oculus is great it's really cool but that was oculus that was oculus but it's not as good as the vibe for a few different reasons uh one of the reasons is the Vive is designed for being able to walk around the Vive comes with these and maybe the rift you can do it but it seems like it's more localized but the mo and so forgive me by the way Oculus Rift people I love you kmac's coming on soon I had the dk1 I had the DK2 you know John carmac fromt where he's he's involved in Oculus Rift now Oculus is great and and God bless you guys for making VR possible because they were the ones Palmer lucky ran with this

219:25torch he like made this happen the only problem is the Oculus released without controllers like Vive has right and that was a big mistake man so that boxing thing that we saw that was Vive that was Vive but Oculus is releasing controllers now and honestly now that I'm getting so sucked into VR I've actually considered buying an ocul Rift just so I have both but Jesus Christ dude you're deep you don't really need it because you can um use a something called revive which allows you to play Oculus games on the HTC Vive you're so deep in this man it's weird to see it's the coolest thing this is this is the same Duncan that was terrified of EverQuest and World of Warcraft and all that other that you got sucked into you're not terrified of this you're you're just Whole Hog diving right in here it feels right I love that expression it feels like the right thing it feels like and it's cool

220:23I'll tell you man by the way there's not a lot of people right now who have VR gear and there's just some kind of like exciting thing about see ground floor ground floor and being like Oh my God this is going to change the world let's do a podcast um from your place let's do your podcast this Friday Duncan and I are doing the ice house and Dina on Friday night we're doing the 8:00 show sold out sorry um but we're going to do we'll do a podcast from your house and we'll do it with me experiencing your VR for the first time and we'll get barbecued we'll try two things we were so high before the show I was worried if I was going to be able to pull this off man that breast spray ain't playing around I was worried I was worried I was like oh no I went I'm too gone I don't know if I can handle this one dude I did a podcast with Sam Harris and I took 12 shots of the breast spray before the

221:18podcast Jesus I wanted to see what would happen and I kept going and then halfway into the podcast I was like oh my God it was like I was skiing down a hill like I was on a black diamond ski course I was I was up and I was moving and I was conscious and I knew just keep just keep paying attention to the road left and right and left and right you're going to you're going to make it you're going to make it you make it where do you get Jambo from is it sh don't tell say the name out loud really yeah yeah it's a girl has no name I'm sorry A girl has no name she doesn't but you don't want to say it three times like Candyman in front of the mirror we'll talk later Friday night you so uh we'll be doing an episode of the Dunkin trussle family hour we'll be at the Ice House my pleasure my brother I always love doing these we need to do these more often you know we're really good friends but we

222:13see each other and get in get deeper with each other during these podcasts than we ever do in real life because if we were in real life we would be talking to other people we'd be looking on our phone we'd be doing some other we'd be eating I love these moments Joe they're some of the happiest moments in my life so I'm so grateful that you let me be on the show from time to time I'm grateful that you're on it man but what I wanted to say was it's it's it's a fascinating thing because I never would have imagined that we would get to know each other better and deeper um and more intensely by doing podcasts together where the whole world could hear it I me you and I have had some crazy conversations alone in private just you and I just talking about stuff for hours and hours but there's something crazy about doing these like this we're doing them live and then we putting them out

223:00they're they're they're fascinating man we got to do it more often har Krishna har Krishna all right we'll be back tomorrow with uh Wayne fedman my friend Wayne fedman very funny standup comic Neil Brennan's coming uh it's it looked like it was going to be Gary Johnson and Stan Hope on Thursday but it Gary Johnson might have to pull out he got to fly into Wednesday he's doing a town hall meeting on CNN which is big news because he's a third party candidate that's what happens people get sick of the two parties all right but uh we'll be back soon see you byebye bye