Brendan Schaub & Bryan Callen

00:00Da-da-da-da-da! We are live! That would be the black bottle, too. We're discussing how annoying it is. I listened to the podcast, an episode that I did with Whitney Cummings. I was listening to it because I had the long drive back from Irvine, and I realized how annoying it is. I'm always clearing my throat. I was telling Jamie he makes the best butter coffee, but it's a stout batch, and it gives you a lot of ahem. A lot of butter, son. Yeah, it's good, though. Tastes goddamn good. I'm just, hell yeah, I'm wired right now. It's like a hug. It's like a coffee hug. Tate says about coffee. Tate from Cayman Coffee. Yeah, warm coffee. He says it's like a warm hug. That's what it is. I was with Keith Jardine. I kind of ran into him at the airport, and we were somewhere. I can't remember. He said, you've got to follow me. I was like, what? He goes, just follow me. There's a very special coffee place here.

00:52Literally, I'm like, okay, I don't know where I'm going. We walked like a mile. One of those airports brings me to this place. He goes, this is the one place they have very good coffee. He talks kind of like, really kind of. And they were closing, and he said, do you mind staying open just a little bit longer? And the guy was like, looked at his ears. He's like, I suppose. He goes, thank you. We'll have a couple of these coffees, please. Guy pours us the coffees. And it was just so funny to watch this brute of a man sip the coffee with such detail and break down this taste. He's like, a lot of citrus in this. It sounds like you're about to get raped. I know. It sounds like he's about to. Well, then I fell. Yeah, Brian. No, but then I. Just suck this dick. Because I come with me. I don't really want to. Just come with me. Just get over here. Can you stay open? We don't really want to. Just stay open. This is weird.

01:37Sit down. It sounds like he's a bully. Sit down. I'm going to talk to you about something nobody gives a fuck about. The flavor of coffee. Now, I want you to smell my breath after I drink it and get a little closer to my mouth. There it is. Now, let's go ahead and drink deeply of my lips. No, for real though, Keith loves coffee. Oh, yeah. He's a smart dude. He's a very smart dude. And he loves to go to coffee shops. I remember when we were training together. We get done training and he would take off to a bookstore or a coffee shop, put on his glasses and just read and sip coffee. It's like, damn. I love it. Yeah, he's a smart dude. A brute. He's a very misunderstood guy, Keith Jardine. Soft-spoken, the nicest guy of all time. Yeah. Yeah, if you've got a problem with Keith Jardine, you might be a piece of shit. That's right. You've got a problem with all of us. Yeah. How is it even possible? He's so nice. Yeah.

02:22He's just a very unusual, interesting, humble guy who fucking loves coffee. Yeah. As does Tate. Tate loves the shit. Tate drinks too much. Tate will sit here and we'll do a podcast together. The motherfucker will down four nitros. Jesus. Each nitro is 270 milligrams of caffeine. Dude, we were in his club. Where were we at? In Texas? In Dallas? We were at one of his clubs. We had our after party. The hunky-dunk place? Yeah, something like that. And he was, bro, I have four kegs of nitro. I was like, it's one in the morning. Oh, yeah. What the hell are we supposed to do with it? You go all night, man. We don't understand. He's sober. Dead sober. Oh, yeah. Dead sober. And he'll use a lot of butter in that beard. He'll use a lot of butter in that beard. And he's not above grabbing me about the waist and pulling me right into his lap. Yeah.

03:09And I'm just like, I'm sitting in your lap right now and I'm afraid to move out of the way. He smells like a bookstore. He has like a unique smell. Like a hippie bookstore. Yeah. Like wax and BO. You call it tattered covered books. You call it BO. I call it possibility. It's a weird vibe. He smells like Woodstock. But see, a lot of those dudes that are sober. And you know, I love Keith. Or both these guys. Tate to death. I love both of them. But I love Tate to death. Like Tate's my brother. I love that guy. A lot of the Alcoholics Anonymous guys, any sobriety guys, they drink a lot of coffee. A lot of coffee. That's like, that's where they're getting there. They're just getting a little charge, a manageable charge that doesn't fuck up your life. But it gives you a little, they like it. Some of them like cigarettes, unfortunately. Yeah. Coffee and cigarettes together for alcoholics.

03:59Like, boys, I don't know if you're doing, I mean, I guess you're not ruining your life in terms of like decision making with the cigarettes like you would be with the booze. You're messing your body up though more, right? It's still a nicotine addiction. Arguably more. It's replacing one addiction for another. Yeah. I don't know. It depends on how much you're boozing though, right? I bet you could kill yourself. Well, you could definitely kill yourself in one night with booze, right? 100%. And you can't do that with cigarettes. No. So I guess it's more toxic to drink. A lot of those addicts become like marathon runners because the endorphins they get from running long, it's the same thing. So they get all skinny. I was with Joe Schilling yesterday and it's just so cool to watch that guy just light up to be just a world champion kickboxer and then just smoke a cigarette once in a while.

04:39It's just like, I'm so fucking, tobacco doesn't fucking fuck with me, man. I'll kick cancer in its ass. I was like, how long have you been smoking? He goes, since I was 12. Yeah. Yeah. It's unfortunate because I think it slows him down a little bit. Joe's awesome even with it, but I definitely think it's a performance detriment. It just is. If a sport relies on cardio as a huge factor, why would you personally limit one of the biggest factors? You could mitigate it somewhat with hard training and a healthy lifestyle and moderation, only smoke a few days. You can mitigate it. But think about a sport where people are trying so hard for little tiny fucking bumps of improvement. At that level, yeah. Yeah. Talking about 1% who's your world champion. But sometimes, though. But hold on. Is there a difference between, I mean, the amount of decrease in performance you would

05:32get from smoking cigarettes versus the amount of increase in performance you can get from taking some things? Yeah. Like, what's this shit they keep getting popped with? The Russian boxer just got popped. And the Melodium. Melodium, yeah. Is that, what is it called? Jamie, see if you could find that, please. It's, um, I think it's called Melodium. Is it like a version of EPO? Like it raises your red blood cells? Well, Novitski explained it to me, but a lot of Russian guys are getting caught with it. All of them. Well, this is so chafing. But here's the thing. This is what's important. It was legal until December. Yeah. Yeah. But going back to Joe Schilling, this is my only, and I don't advocate smoking ever, right? My family members die from it, cancer, all that stuff. But with Joe Schilling, a guy like that, if he smokes every now and then, I don't know

06:15how often he's smoking, but if he's smoking cigarettes and it allows him to be more free and creative inside the ring, it's almost helping him. Because the same thing with John Jones. How could cigarettes rely him to be more creative? Maybe it calms his nerves. He's been doing it for so long. It's a ritual for him. So it's almost the same thing with John Jones. Man, you can smoke a little weed and still be world champion, the best man on the planet. We don't have to take all this weight and you got to wear Dockers and act like God's child. You know what I'm saying? Well, I've seen people who have to be very, very specific and correct and intense in something. A lot of times the way they manage that stress, the stress of competition, the stress of living up to expectations is they have one vice. They typically will give themselves a recess. Whether that's smoking, girls, whatever it might be.

07:03Human beings tend to do that more than they don't. Most athletes don't. And I would say that was my biggest problem was everything had to be mapped out, had to be written out, plan for plan, minute by minute. And if anything went wrong, I freaked out. And I always wish I was more of that Maverick, Joe Schilling, maybe have a cigarette, maybe go crash a Bentley with hookers and go care. But don't you think that that's maybe, like the cigarettes aren't necessary. It's the attitude behind the choice to make cigarettes part of your life. Correct. That's what's necessary. That was made though when he was much younger. Yeah, but he doesn't have to continue that pattern. No, he's a smart guy. It's a very destructive. He doesn't smoke a lot. Like I noticed that. I know. Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah. And I know he's tried to stop. I mean, he's tried to stop. Here's my feeling.

07:47If you try to stop something, it means you want to stop something. So if you try to stop and then you don't stop, that means it beat your ass. Like that is an important part of your life where you can win. You're in a competition with yourself and you can win and you don't. This is my feeling about this and I'm not trying to be hard on people, but I think this is an important distinction. When you fail yourself, when you fail yourself, when you decide to yourself that you're going to take care of something and you're going to kick an addiction, you're going to do something and you don't do it, you don't like yourself as much. Yes. It's one of the most important things about accomplishments and about overcoming bad things in your life. If you have something you're doing, like smoking cigarettes and you don't kick it, you won't respect yourself the same.

08:30The only thing I would say, though, is that sometimes liking yourself isn't so important for accomplishing great things. There are a lot of people that... Well, it's for happiness. Well, yes. Right? Yes. But, you know, sometimes happiness can be the great stopper. You know, it's like Harriet Doerr, when she won the book award, they said, were you happy being a housewife for 35 years? And she said, why would anybody who was happy write a book? I'm not saying that you have to be suffering, but a lot of times, I don't know that being satisfied, having peace of mind, and even being happy, which of course we all are striving for, sometimes that can be a hindrance to what got you where you are in the first place. And I'm speaking primarily, a lot of great books, screenplays, films made by smokers. You're right, B. And so in that sense, but when it comes to addiction, one of the things that you're

09:22that they found that's way easier to deal with. So a lot of people say, well, stop smoking because it'll kill you, or stop smoking because it makes no sense, or stop smoking because you're not disciplined. That tends to not... That might work for a short period of time, but people always go back to their set point. And what does work better... Well, I don't think you should say always, because a lot of people quit. They do. But what helps with quitting from what I have read and what I've talked to, and even in my own experience, is that you have to start associating the act of smoking, or whatever your vice might be, with something negative, and associating and even feeling the difference. It's like I always say about people who want to get in shape. If you could feel... If people are out of shape and eat a lot and eat shitty food, if they could feel how much the better they feel...

10:07I'm just talking about the pleasure principle. If they could feel what it's like to be in shape, I think they'd have a easier time going over that direction. The road to get there, though, be like... Yeah. You won't realize how good you feel smoking until... I mean, the withdrawals and all... It's going to take forever, man, to get through that point. So that's a hard point to argue. And I don't... You know, obviously... So it's getting in shape. But some people who have smoked, like Ari said, like to this day, he quit years ago. But he said he still gets an itch. Like, he'll see people smoking and he'll go, God, that looks good. Like, it is a powerful, powerful drug. If a guy like Schilling can't kick it... I agree. I don't think he wants to bad enough. But also, with this keto diet, I stopped all sugar. I can't walk by Mrs. Fields. Don't bring me by Mrs. Fields. I will freak the fuck out, man. Oh, good.

10:51So it's back now. Because for a while, you were saying you don't even crave it. It's only if I go by Mrs. Fields. Like, I was at the mall with my brother, and I was literally like, oh, dang, son. Don't let me... Take my wallet. Take my wallet. Yeah. Well, you know what causes more of it? If you go into the mentality of scarcity... So if you start thinking this is the last cookie on the planet, you're going to go for it. It slows your metabolism down. You know, when you start going into scarcity mode, that's one of the things that they say about people that were incorrectly starving themselves. Like, they'll have little tiny portions of carbs, and then your body's like, what the fuck are you doing? And your body slows down because it's worried about losing resources because no food's coming in. Right. You can actually fuck with you. Yeah. Your metabolism slows down. It's like, we better hang on to this shit.

11:36The only way fasting is good is when your body's in ketosis. Yeah. Because then your body just starts burning fat. The fucked up thing about addictions is that this evolutionary biologist, his name is Skazman, who's talking about how the fact that if, like an addictive mindset, people who are extreme, who need a lot of food, for example, or whatever, that kind of mindset actually served our ancestors. Cavemen, the idea of finding, pinpointing what you want, which is that deer, and running after it for three days until it, you know, falls over. And that need, that sort of reptilian brain. Yes. Well, it's... The problem is when you take away the fact that you have to chase a deer for three days, you, that, that we still have a lot of that reptilian sort of caveman mentality. And the most successful people in those societies now will tend to be the same people that have

12:29the same insane drive to get, you know, do all the cocaine or eat all the food or drink all the alcohol. Or, or, or they, or they're addictive to, to working out or to their sport. Yeah. And then those people, most time those, those, you know, these people, Joe, those, and so do you. Those world, those elite of the elite, the one percenters, they're not the funs to hang out with. Some of them are not. They're rough. But like a guy like Michael Jordan, they used to say that Michael Jordan, if you beat him playing ping pong, he wouldn't talk to you for two weeks. That's right. Like he would fucking be angry at you, pissed at you. Those people aren't fun to hang out with. Yeah. And that's what produces that intense level of focus that creates a guy like a Michael Jordan. They also don't like themselves though. There's a little bit of that in there.

13:10But the thing, the question becomes like, do you want to be happy? Do you want to be healthy? Or do you just want to be successful? Like, do you want to be like some miserable person that's laden with addictions that you may or may not be managing, but that is creating some success, like in the form of art, like maybe music or something like that. I think a lot of musicians, there's, there's an argument for that versus like, I bet Nickelback eat a lot of vegan food. Look, man, I took, I bet they drink fresh spring water. I bet they get up early and do yoga. Do they get so much shit? They drop some hits though, man. They have some songs I enjoy hearing. Me too. They have that one, there's that one song that everybody has sung. Which one? They have one jam. But listen, no, no, no. It's the theme, the rock star song. Like I'm a rock star.

13:55Like there's like the fucking, my favorite version is the Cypress Hill version. Yeah. Do you want to be a rock star? Like to be real version? That's the shit, right? Yeah. That's the best version of it. Nickelback superstars. The bomb. But Nickelback's got, they got their own version of it. It's one of those. Never heard it. Never heard it. And it's a good song, unfortunately. I'd love a sample of that. I've never heard it. Let's sample up. I would love a sample. It's not bad. I'm with Roken on this. Fuck anyone who doesn't like that Nickelback song. Look, I thought, here's, there is, but there's something that I think we all recognize about what they did. Is that there's some, there's something sort of disingenuous or something contrived or something, but it's still good. Let me see that. Why does everybody get too mad at them? I think they're almost fake, you know?

14:40Yeah, and I can't be friends with any of those guys. I don't think they're fake at all. You know what I think, man? They're just tools. They're successful, and I think a lot of dumb people like them. It's not that they're not good. I think they are good. I think that a lot, you get associated with some of your fans, there's that, and someone started picking on them and using them as a punchline, and then it became that punchline. It's not fire. Catch is fire. They are not as, like, look at all. Bad musical artists, and I say bad, obviously taste is subjective, and I'm just talking about my opinion. Right. Which is my taste, for me. There's so much shit out there, but people love it, and it doesn't become a punchline like Nickelback became a punchline. Just four white dudes. Don't jam it out. Look a little too good. Look a little too healthy. Fuck them. Had some highlights. The affliction genes and shit.

15:28Michael Bolton was talking about that. Michael Bolton was saying, I became a punchline. Michael Bolton was saying, I was just doing music, and all of a sudden, like, the right people started making fun of me. Wait, did you see the guy with the hair? Yes. And they said, people started making fun of me, and I just caught fire. No shit. And I was like, literally became, I was just writing my music. Well, he had long hair, and he had, like, a turtleneck on it. Of course you get made fun of it. His voice isn't bad, but his voice is good. There is some hair here. Look at the hair. Wow. Oh my goodness. Well, no shit, my man. Look, Michael, you need a fucking mirror. Yeah. Ask yourself, what have you given these people? He's on the come up, though. He's on the come up. I'm sure he is. He's in those new commercials. He's talented. And he was on the Lonely Island video. He's back. He's funny. He's very talented, man.

16:06See, but he's rocking normal hair now. Upper left. Upper left, Jimmy. Yeah, he's back. Handsome guy. Yeah, that's someone's dad. That's perfect. That's Caitlyn Jenner. A little too much makeup, but looks like Caitlyn Jenner's short hair. He's got teenage daughters. You've got to go to his house and meet him. He'd take his daughter to the prom. See, I'll hang out. I'd grab a beer with that guy. Seems like a nice fella. Yeah, he does. He fixed the whole thing. The hair thing was out of control. That's right. It's almost like the back and the bottom was to distract you from the top. Well, don't you think- It's like he had some weirdness going on. The top was just like weirdly cropped. Just a hot mess. Trust me. There's a guy who's tried to disguise baldness before. That's exactly what he's doing. But that's what guys- See, what happens to guys- I've been there. That's what happens with guys.

16:43With guys, if a dude is decorating himself a little too much, he becomes subversive. We all go, hey man, what's the guy? The guy's got bracelets. Why is he wearing bangles? And what's with the tiara? I can't- I don't know what the fuck is going on in there. Why is that? We see a dude walk into this room- Is he competing for too many girls? ...and he's got one of those Native American deer skin outfits with the tassels, and he's got a bear claw necklace. Yeah, get the fuck out of my face. And a medicine bag. Yeah, get the fuck out of my face, bro. Get the fuck out of my face, bro. He better be a shaman. A dude who carries around potpourri. Get the fuck out of his face. He better be a masseuse and a good one. How many bracelets can you have before you were an asshole? God, that's a good question. If you have a gang of those bracelets- Unless you're fucking Chris Angel, you can't- I was gonna say Chris-

17:23Unless you're Randy Couture. Chris Angel's the- Nope. Hey, Randy. Randy. I love you, brother. No. How about why you wearing a scarf and a tank top? You gotta make up your mind to see what the fuck's going on. It's fucking confusing, bro. Randy Couture? What kind of weather are you expecting, sir? I don't know, but I'm ready, bitches. Hey, you know what? He gets away with it. He does. The motherfucker's ready. He gets a fucking free pass for everything. Look at that. He can wear the bracelets. He can wear a scarf. He can do no wrong. Great beard. What happened that made him say, I need this scarf? Back that up. Stylus. Stylus. But come on. Look, he's got another scarf. Stop for a second. This is Randy fucking Couture. Captain America, son. Captain America. With a scarf. I like it. Multiple time world champion. One of the toughest guys that's ever walked the face of the planet Earth. You don't need a stylist.

18:13Hollywood got to him and went, you know what would make you look better? Scarf. He needs us. Can I be honest with you? He bought 50 of them. He needs us. I'm wearing a fucking scarf. He doesn't need a scarf. I'm going to get that scarf. I know you would wear a scarf. You son of a bitch. Randy wears one, so why can't I? Holy shit. Why is he in so many scarves? He likes scarves. The guy likes scarves. Yeah, he's been done enough. I don't understand. Maybe it's so if someone fucks with him, he takes it off and kills him with it. I don't know. Maybe just ready for a sandstorm. Randy's not really into gi chokes. He's really into gi chokes, but he thinks he'd be douchey to wear a black belt around his neck everywhere he goes. Legit point. I mean, legit point. He came to 10th Planet in between career, like before he came back and fought Tim Sylvia. He came to 10th Planet, and he did a grappling match with Jacare.

18:54Do you remember that? Yes, I do. He had a grappling match with Jacare. Rico Ciapparelli, who was probably one of the most important guys in the early days of MMA as far as incorporating wrestling and submissions. Rico was a huge asset to a lot of guys that were just starting out. And to this day has helped a lot of fights. Like Mack Danzig was working with Rico before he retired, and it was his last few fights, and he was like, Rico is a fucking genius, man. He knows so much. He was like one of the early guys that was like a wrestler that was tapping out black belts. Right. He was like a really, really high-level wrestler. In fact, he's in the Mark Schultz documentary, Foxcatcher. Mark Schultz wrestled him, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, he won. Well, Rico was NCAA champion. I believe he was an Olympic alternate. I'm not sure.

19:46But I know he was super high-level wrestler, and then on top of that, super knowledgeable about submissions, and he created a professional submission thing. Yeah, he's a monster. And so Randy fought Jacare in this professional submission thing. He's so strong. Jacare tried to leg lock him. He had his leg. He couldn't fucking straighten it out. Randy's just doing leg curls. He could not straighten it. Captain America, son. He's got these grappler strength from Mark Kerr. Hundreds of years of squeezing things. Bro, Mark Kerr. Before he fought Lyoto Machida in Toronto, it's the week of the fight. I'm there doing an appearance for UFC, and I see Randy in the hotel. I've maybe met him once before. He goes, hey, man, you're a good striker. I need you to help me tonight. This is the night before the fight. I'm like, huh? He goes, I need you to help me. Okay. He had some gym, extreme coutures in Toronto. We jump in.

20:41Two Hummers. Where do they got him? I have no idea. Drive to this location. Far as hell. I'm like, what the hell am I going to do? And so the night before the fight, he's doing rounds, son. You know how most guys just do like, you know, he's already made weight. You know how most guys just kind of break their wind and loosen up? Oh, not Captain America. Oh, no. He had all his coaches there, and his striking coach couldn't get into the country for whatever reason. So they had old big brown hair hold mitts for him. I don't hold mitts. I hit mitts. I don't know if they know that. I don't fucking hold mitts. But they're like, we need you to stand southpaw, and every minute, a new guy's going to rotate in on Randy for five rounds. I was like, the night before the fight? But it's Randy Couture. I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to do whatever this guy says. So his coach would go on. Different guys would go in.

21:26Be different in situations. And I'm trying to hold mitts. Mind you, I don't hold mitts. I have to stand southpaw like a little machida. Oh, and Randy isn't hitting him like just feeling out. This dude fucked me up. I mean, boom, hit me in the chin, the nose, bloody nose, pick me up, slam me. And I'm supposed to just let him do whatever he wants. This dude fucked me up. Every round, I'm like, god damn it. So he wants you to hit pads and then shoot doubles, and he's going to shoot doubles on you and take you down and hit you as well? Yeah, he was doing this setup where he would, it was like a straight right, left hook, and then he'd get in on a single leg. And I was like, god, man, when you're coming and striking, I feel like you're open for it. Because his setup, again, I don't know Randy, I didn't train with him before that, so I didn't feel like I was in the position to say anything.

22:13But I was like, god, I feel like you're opening yourself up with Leota, man. He's not going to be there. Like, you're coming straight at him, he's not going to be there. I told his coach that, and they're like, no, he got this, you know, he's been there before. I was like, yeah, for sure, it's Randy Couture. Pan watching the fight. Good tooth! Tooth, see ya! Yeah, he got knocked out. I thought he was going to get on the mic and be like, way to go, Shob, you son of a bitch. Jumping front kick is what I think it was. Yeah, it's exactly what it was. Toronto. That was the biggest event ever. How about what Jacare did to Vitor this weekend? Damn. Yeah, he's a monster. I don't think that was very surprising, though. Well, this is the Vitor you're looking at, you know? This Vitor that you're looking at right now is a Vitor with diminished hormone levels. He's 39 off TRT. What do you think was going to happen?

22:57His legs look so skinny, and his ass wasn't there anymore. You can't, you can't, this is like, there's only so much your body can do if you're not supplementing your hormones after a certain age. And when you see guys that fucked with steroids most of their life and then tried to operate off of them, you have real problems just kick-starting your endocrine system. Except for our boy Overeem. Well, no, no, no, no, no. Testing? What's up? Well, he's figured out a way to get down to 240 pounds. He's younger a little bit than Vitor, first of all. But he's figured out a way to get down to 240, and maybe he doesn't have as much power. But I think what he's realizing now is technically, like as a striker, he is at a fucking very high level. He's more technical than anyone in the UFC. I think he's made mistakes. He's made mistakes in some of his fights, mistakes in his approaches, mistakes in how big he tried

23:51to be, or running out of gas, like in the Travis Brown fight when Travis caught him with that front kick to the face. He would try to finish guys off, and he didn't finish guys off, he'd kind of be fucked. And now, you know, he's relying on skills. It was also with Winklejohn. That fucking Jackson team, man, there's a lot of great people for him to train with. He's relying on skills. I'm just saying, now that he's one of the guys where you see drug testing kick in, and obviously he looks completely different. But now he has to adapt the way he fights. He has more skills in the heavyweight division than anyone else when he comes striking. A K-1 champion, it's not even close. Grand Prix. He won the Grand Prix. Not even fucking close. He's beat someone the best in the world. His technique is so fun to watch, and Donald will spar with him and says, he just learns watching the guy.

24:34But this is what I'm saying, is he's a guy where this strict drug testing kicks in. And you can see a physical change, and he's still doing well. Well, he's better. He's better. He fights more cautiously, doesn't he? Yes. He's fighting really smart. I'd say smarter, not cautiously. Way smarter. Because he used to come in like a meathead because he had so much power. Yeah, exactly. And that allowed him to get clipped. And I think that when you're seeing him fight now, like especially, perfect example is Junior Dos Santos. Like, he knocked Junior Dos Santos out. And a lot of people are like, God, maybe Junior's, maybe he's done. You know, maybe he's just not the same anymore. And then Junior comes back and fights Ben Rothwell and looks better than he's ever looked. Yep. So Junior looks fantastic. And then you realize, oh, Overeem's fucking good. He's good.

25:15So explain to me why Grand Prix K1 champion is just so much better. It's the biggest of the big of all, especially at the time when he did it. It doesn't exist anymore. Right. But at the time when he won it, it was Badr Hari, Gokan Saki, the fucking best of the best. Peter Ertz. These guys like that won it. The guys that were there. Krokop, Badr Hari. I mean. And he won it. Jerome LeBanner, Ernesto Hous. When you go back to like the history of K1, goddamn Andy Hoog. Some of the greatest strikers of all time. The most entertaining, exciting, wild, crazy fights between heavyweights. And they would knock each other out all the time. Yeah, Peter Ertz. Sam Schilt. I mean, you got some monsters. Oh my God. Sammy Schilt. Good luck trying to get in on that guy. Seven feet tall. Krokop. Krokop. Krokop. Krokop. Krokop. Krokop. And he would front kick the shit out of you. How the fuck did he not play professional basketball?

26:06Well, dude, he was such a good kickboxer. I just wish there was more money in kickboxing. Especially back then. Yeah. Seven feet tall. Do you remember when Karatanov took him down and mounted him and just punched him in his same eye over and over again? He was screaming. You bet your sweet ass that I do. That was one of the most disturbing finishes of a fight. Karatanov took Semi Schilt down. Murder at the top. Got on top of him. Karatanov was a monster. Scared the shit out of him. He was very scary. Because some Russian military dude. And he was beating Semi Schilt like he was torturing a prisoner. Like, I'm not even kidding, man. He isolated him, got on top of him, pinned him down, and then kept hitting him in his cut eye. He had the same eye, though. Yeah, the same eye. Just hitting the same eye. And Semi Schilt was just screaming at one point. Prisoner of War style. Yeah.

26:55Like, he had some info that fucking our boy needed. It wasn't good, man. It wasn't good. There was something crazy about it. Oh, no. It was like, whoa. Then he came into strike force and did work, too. Remember that? Well, we thought Orlovsky was done after he smooshed Orlovsky. Remember? I mean, he straight murked Orlovsky. I mean, he's a K-1 striker. Karatanov's a beast. It's a whole different thing. I mean, he's not the best of K-1. You know, he gets beat by the best guys in K-1. But he's at a super high level. His striking is no fucking joke. For MMA, it was really good, too, because he did a lot of box and had good defense. Beat the fuck out of Overeem. Wow. Beat the break. Beat the fuck out of Overeem. Knocked him outstanding. Cracked him, had him running away from him. Running away from him, and then he folds against the ropes. And then when they bought strike force, they just never moved him over.

27:40Yeah, I guess not. I wonder what happened. I think he had some injuries for a while, too, I believe. I believe he had some issues, and he gained a lot of weight because of it. Remember, he got real heavy. Yeah, because he lost in the heavyweight Grand Prix that DC won. He was in that, and he lost. What do you think is going to happen? I want to say Barnett. Huh. And Barnett beat him. Am I right on that, Jimmy? Am I going crazy? I don't remember that fight. What do you think is going to happen when Stipe fights Overeem? That's next, I think, 100%. Because if you look at it, they're scheduling, too. They both fought around the same time. Overeem's next. He's won four in a row. He's the guy for the job. They're both there. I think you have to wait until Travis Brown fights Cain Velasquez. I think when Cain Velasquez, but this is my thought. Cain Velasquez, if he beats Travis Brown in some spectacular way,

28:31they're going to be calling for him to fight for the title. That's the toughest fight, I think, for Miosic, only because Travis will be in his grill. If it's for healthy, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Cain. If Cain is in shape in that cardio thing and just in his grill, boxing, getting close, and wrestling, he's probably at least as good a wrestler or a better wrestler than Stipe. Cain is overwhelming. Yeah. As a person who's watched fighters. Not close? As a person who's watched fighters my whole life, like watching the UFC, all the thousands of fights, I've never seen a heavyweight that can put the kind of pressure on somebody that Cain can. He's just different. His cardio is just different. It's crazy. It's like he's got double lungs. I'm not even joking, man. I've been overwhelmed watching his fights. It could be an argument he's number one, best heavyweight of all time. You could argue that. I do argue that.

29:22Oh, do you? People get mad at me. They say, Fedor's number one. Nah. Not to me. No, I don't think so. Look, I really think that you have to be open-minded about this number one debate. And I think until Verdum just got knocked out, Verdum is in the running for the debate. 100%. I mean, he submits Fedor. In his prime, really. Submits Minotaro. And I don't think Fedor was in his prime, though. That's why I disagree. He was the first guy to do it. He was the first guy to do it when it was Fedor. And then after that, I was like, all right, big deal. He did get caught by Fedor. He was already, but I think he was already on the slide. He was, but there was still that kind of prestige of Fedor. Yes. Yes. Like, after he lost that, and then it's like, oh, fuck it. Yeah, we can beat this guy. But coaches. But Fedor caught him, though. The reason why I'm saying this is coaches were saying that.

30:07His own MMA coach, after he knocked out Brett Rogers, said that Fedor won with his old tricks, but he would have liked to have him for more time training. Sure. And he thinks he's not approaching it correctly, and he just won by being Fedor. But he also caught Verdum with that old trick. He caught him, knocked him down, and then the mistake of Fedor made was he jumped into his guard. But remember, he jumped in to pound him, but he caught him really, really well, knocked him down with the exact same timing that he did to everybody before that. Okay. Maybe. Yeah, he's still lost. Or maybe Verdum goes down on purpose the moment a punch hits him. Which he does. So he could drag you into his guard. He does do that, too. Which he does. Oh, blame, yeah. He's a smart guy. Verdum is a very smart guy. He didn't fight smart on Saturday. Definitely did not fight smart. Why the fuck would you run face first?

30:56Because he got tagged. If you watch the stoppage, see if you can find the highlight. I'll show it to you, because this is something that I wish somebody brought up during the actual commentary. He got tagged right before he got knocked out. He got tagged doing the same thing with the right hand. He moved forward. He was making these advances. He moved forward. He got tagged with that right hand. And I think he was on Queer Street. And I think he went running at Stipe on Queer Street and got knocked the fuck out. And the way Stipe did it was a fucking work of art. The angle? It was like Anderson Silva and Forrest Griffin. Baby step to the right. Boom. It was better. It was even better. It was better. His angle was sick. Yeah. Obviously, his right hand was nasty. But it's also, Verdum did get hit early. And in Verdum's training, if you've seen him train, there's this competition within that gym.

31:46When you get hit, it's like, whoa, got to get him back. I think it was more, he gets hit and he's like a charging bull. And I was like, fuck this, man. I think it's probably a little of both. A little of both. I agree. Because I definitely think he got cracked. Cracked. And I'm like, whoa, that is a big right hand that he got hit with. And it's in the same manner. The same manner. He's charging forward. He got hit. And that's how Aldo got knocked out against McGregor. Yep. You got to be fucking real careful charging forward. It makes the punch harder. It makes the punch harder. And, you know, Steve Bay's knocked out some great guys. But he's not a knockout artist per se. If you compare him to like a Mark Hunt or Roy Nelson, he's not a knockout artist. When a guy's charging in like that, and then you're countering with right hand, it makes it seem way worse. Well, here's my take on Steve Bay's power.

32:28I think Steve Bay has big power. But I think he fights economically and intelligently. He's a smooth fighter. He's a good boxer. He's a very good boxer. Golden gloves boxer. But he's like smooth and relaxed in the way he spars. It's one of the things that makes him so dangerous is that he does things very correctly. You know? And I think, you know, DC was on the commentary for the UFC recently. He was talking about getting the rub. You know? He was talking about that experience. When you have a tough fight with someone, you get the rub. And he fought Junior Dos Santos. And they went to war. What do you mean rub? This is what I mean. What he was saying is like Daniel says, when you fight someone that's really good and they're better than you, even if you lose, it elevates you. You get the rub. Like just by sharing the ring with them, just by being in that ring, by competing with them,

33:13you realize how good you are. You actually get better. And you realize how good that person is. Yeah. I think he got the rub when he fought Junior Dos Santos in a way. Because he went five rounds with a guy who was one of the toughest of the tough. A guy who was a champion who knocked out Cain Velasquez with one punch. And he went five hard rounds with him. And the decision could have went either way. And took his best shots. Yeah. And I also think, to go back to DC's point and your point, with the rub, I think at the UFC level, especially when you get in that top echelon, you know you're good and people are telling you you're good. But when he beat Orlovsky, he starched him. You don't learn much from that man. When you go to a decision with a world class guy, then you know. Like you're doing something right. Right. You're camp. You're doing it right. You had good gas. You realize what works, what doesn't.

33:59So you learn so much more. Yeah. And he's going to, like you said, war with JDS. And we see him getting better and better. Yeah. His confidence. Well, what's really interesting now is, here's the dark horse that nobody talks about. Stefan Struve is only 28 years old. That fucking dude is gigantic. He's seven feet tall. And if he could put it together, and he put it together on Bigfoot Silva the other night and knocked him out. I know the guy has a bunch of knockout losses. I know he does. But he knocked out Stipe. Struve knocked out Stipe. He did. Yes, he did. That was his only loss in the UFC. Yeah. Dude, Struve, do not count that guy out yet. Struve did an inside leg kick and then knocked him out. He's got that heart issue and stuff. Well, I don't know what he's got going on physically. But I'm saying, that kid, if he puts it all together, when you're seven feet tall, how long

34:45does it take before you even get coordinated right? I mean, it's like you're sending a message and it's got to go so far before it gets to your fucking hand. Yeah. And then, I mean... Have you fought? You fought guys that are super tall, like Jack May and those guys? I mean, what's that? Yeah, but the thing is, Stipe would be... Or not Stipe. Struve would be such a freaking handful if he could learn to use his reach. But guys like Roy Nelson, when you get these upper echelon guys, you know, nothing against Bigfoot, but off TRT or whatever, because he actually needs it off it. I think anyone in the top 20 kind of fucks him up. But with Struve, the real test would be who they give him next. Well, Struve got fucked up by Overeem. And Overeem, that was a super intelligent fight the way he fought it. He took him down. Beautiful takedown. Gone on top of him. Just ground and pound the shit out of him.

35:33The other thing about Struve is you got to realize that kid has, I think, 40 fights? Yeah. He has a shitload of miles on him. Well, that's... And his half a heart. And the Mark... Well, it's not that bad. No, I'm just kidding. No, but it's... I don't know what he's got. What is the medical condition? I forget. We have the same manager, so he deals with it all the time. That Mark Hunt knockout. Jesus Christ. Mark Hunt with that leaping left hook. Shattered his face. Oh, dude. Mark Hunt hit so fucking hard. You've been caged, so I've seen that, right? Oh. Oh. It's fast, too. He's so fast. Yeah, he's a beast. I think if Stipe can get... I'm curious to see if Stipe can get within boxing distance of Alistair and take away any of those kicks and how he sets it up. That's going to be interesting. Alistair can box, man. He can, huh? Oh, yeah. For sure. Better than Stipe. I'm not going to tell you.

36:17Knocked out Junior with one punch. He's the best striker in the UFC heavyweight division. Maybe of all time. So Stipe then is going to have to close that distance and box him, right? No. Not necessarily. No. Stipe could crack him. Look, Ben Rothwell knocked him out in the first round standing. Stipe has better footwork. Anything can happen. He has better footwork. Alistair's been stopped a lot of times. His chin's the question. This is the other thing people forget with Alistair. That motherfucker can grapple. Oh, yeah. He can wrestle and grapple his ass off. So you want to go to the ground with him, you're going to be in a world of trouble. Well, he won the Abu Dhabi European trials. And in pride, he submitted Vitor. He also submitted Mark Hunt. He has a nasty guillotine, dude. His guillotine is super, super deaf. People always forget about that. They think of just as a striker.

37:00But you want to go to the ground with that, dude. I don't think Stipe has a lot of submission work under his belt. So Stipe and I trained for two years together. That kid has submission defense. So you know how Rashad has his black belt? Well, if you ask Rashad to show you like a real specific offensive move, I don't think it's that black belt level. But his defense. And Stipe's defense is nasty. Super nasty. He's really good at defense. He's a very smart athlete. Yeah. Very good athlete. And it's when you have a guy who could probably be a professional ball player, right? With Stipe? He could probably be a professional ball player. He didn't make it. Yeah, he didn't make it. But he's at this level of an athlete. Now, what I'm saying is it's rare that you see a guy like that who comes over to MMA and fights like super technical, super smart, who's also really, really tough. He's also a firefighter. Yeah.

37:54Professional. Full time. Full time. His head is the biggest head I've ever seen in college. It's a large head. Nicest guy of all time. He's a great guy. But he's got a rare set of attributes, meaning that he's at pro sports athlete level, like as far as like his ability, his movement, and his intelligence, and his approach, and his training. And then on top of that, he's tough as fuck. Tough as they come. Just tough as fuck. Like in this fight, let me tell you something, dude. I watched this fight very carefully. And one of the things that I was noticing was like how calm he was through everything. Watch when they're staring each other down. One of the things you can really pay attention to is the shortness of the breathing. If you watch people breathing during like nervous situations, a lot of times, even if they look calm, you could sort of see this uneasiness in the way they're taking in oxygen.

38:46You're sensing tension. You don't sense any of that shit looking at him. You know what's impressive, too, is he doesn't come from like a mastermind camp. No. It's just his boys in Cleveland. Well, he just might have a mastermind camp. I mean, there's a lot of masterminds out there that don't have the right pupils. I'm saying he's not from like a Jackson's, AK, ATT. He keeps his shit within Cleveland and does work and then goes and does a firefighter. And then saves people from burning buildings. Who else is in that camp? Is it the girl? Hardstyle MMA. There's also, isn't there, is Leslie Smith from there? No. It's not Raquel Pennington, right? Isn't it Jessica Ai? No, it's Jessica Ai. Jessica Ai. So they have tough fighters. It's just like if a guy is like a really skillful trainer and, you know, you've only been doing it for a few years, you have to wait for the right guy to sort of walk through your door.

39:33Oh, yeah. It's all about them walking through the door. I remember that was a big thing with Eddie Bravo. With Eddie Bravo, it took forever for him to find someone who could do his style and prove in competition that it's very effective, not just with him. He had a unique style. Is that Stipe's brother or dad, the guy with the mustache? Look at that guy with the mustache. I don't know. That guy's awesome, though. But you talk about Stipe being calm. Remember, he's fighting right now. That guy's not that old, Brian. Why are you calling that guy his dad? I don't know. It looks like his older brother. It's 35. He's old brother. No. I guarantee it's his older brother. It might just some fucking thick dude. You know, Eddie Bravo had a real good point about this. We were talking about it on the phone. He was like, Fabricio looked too relaxed. He was coming up to the ring. He was making that face that he makes.

40:15What was that? I'm so sick of that face. Well, he's being funny. He's being silly. I don't think there's anything wrong with a fighter trying to stay loose. I don't at all. You know, I think that's one of the things that Fabricio does to have a good time. He likes to make that silly face. He's also been doing it forever, man. He likes it. He's the man. Well, he's Fabricio Verdum. If he won the fight and made that face, no one would say a fucking word. If he went out there and head kicked Stipe Miocic, you know, no one would say a word. Yeah. But it didn't work out. So when it doesn't work out, that's when everybody comes shitting on you. What's the same with Connor? With Connor Nate. Connor's walking out like, hey. How about Ronda Rousey? You know, same with Ronda. When Ronda lost, everybody's mad at all the shit that they loved her for. They loved her for don't be a do-nothing bitch and fuck you.

41:00I'm making it to the top. Kiss my ass. Now they hate her. Now they think she's arrogant for that. Same with Connor. Of course. Oh, you with your rich shit. Exactly. He's in Venice right now. Exactly. Driving around in a Royals Royce. Yeah. Woo! Wiling out. Look, I just, you know, it's just what comes, it's part of what people love about people bragging. They want to bring you down though, man. No matter what. Look how loose Stipe looks. Look how loose. I mean, he's fighting for the title. Nice and loose. Look at that. Moves away. He could have been argued he should have got a title earlier too, but he's like, he's just such a nice guy. Stand right there. A lot of checking too. A lot of good checking. Euphrates. Like his Muay Thai is very good. Very educated with his movements. And look, Fabrizio's got some fucking nasty kicks, man. And like right there, his striking is much improved.

41:47We saw it in the Travis Brown fight, man. Oh, Fabrizio's dangerous on the feet, man. Yeah, the King Velasquez fight, dude, his striking is fucking legit. He's long as shit, and he's got confidence in it. That nice switch kick there. But he's a beast, dude. I think in order to be that dangerous of a fighter, you're going to have to open yourself up a little bit. Then when you fight a real strategic guy like Stipe, you're going to get in a little bit of trouble. Well, I think what happened in this fight in particular is that he forced it. I think he was in this gigantic soccer arena. It's the biggest crowd in history in MMA in Brazil. Look at that beautiful leg kick, though. Both of them, though. Yeah, the inside and the outside. Got a nice jab. Stepping it out to that. Yeah, it's all nice. The technique is real nice.

42:29But I think Fabrizio was just so ramped up because there's all these people in Brazil, and I think he's a confident man. I think he thinks he's the fucking best in the world. He just has to get a hold of this dude. There's a right hand he nailed to him. That's a great right hand. See, so now he's— Stipe can take a shot at him. He can, but now look, he's forcing it. He's forcing it. Because he landed it. Yeah, so watch when he starts to force it. He gets hit real hard, and then he gets hit hard and knocked out. He tried that knee. He tries forward. And when—see, he got a terrible single attempt there. That was like such a— You're not getting steepy on that. He's a phenomenal wrestler. I mean, he might have been just trying to make them work. Or maybe open up possibilities. Like sometimes you drop for a single. I think he's going to just get his mind off just that.

43:09Stipe's right in range, so he's not afraid to just be right in your grill here. He's not, though, B. He's not right in range. But he's real relaxed. Yes. Like even the way he's throwing that jab. Top, top. Top, top. Yeah. Like he's economical. And when you're economical in a five-round fight, it's super effective. Beautiful jab, man. That was a very nice leg kick by Fabricio. But he's timing that jab. Yeah. Great inside leg kick. And the jab also is super light. Like he's just floating it out there. Pop! There's nice speed. Watch where he steps when he jabs, too. He steps to the side there like that. It's fucking awesome. Like look at that jab. That was good. That was good. You see how light that is? You know, there's no tension there. You know what I'm saying? Like it's like flowing. He checked that leg kick again. Nice leg kick by Stipe. Nice switch.

43:51So right now Fabricio is realizing like, okay, this is not an easy fight. Boom! That's it! That's it! That's the one! That's the one. And now right here. Bang! That's the KO shot. Now back it up again. Watch. Just back it up just a little bit to where he's chasing him. So watch when he's chasing him. He got rocked. You can't? The video player is really... You're correct though. You're right. I saw that. You're correct though, Joe. I didn't see that until... And he got mad and he came out. Yes. Yes. He got tagged hard with that right hand. That's right. And then he kept charging and then he got face planted with the second one. Wow. That first right hand had him on Queer Street. I guarantee you. Because he's moving forward and Stipe drops it in on him. And it's the same punch he knocked him out with. And when Stipe throws a punch, and this is how you know he's good. And obviously he was fucking good.

44:37But this is how his technique's at a real high level. His arm is like loose, man. And then he throws it. And then as it gets to his face, he tightens it down and does this. Smack! Right. As he's moving away, he's... Smack! Like it's a super efficient, like really technical punch to throw it that way, moving back. Pow! And in that sense, it's very much like what Anderson did to Forrest Griffin. It's also calculated because he threw it twice. And they both land in there. You can tell they're working on that. So he threw the left hook twice. The right hand. The right hand. The right hand. The check. Yeah, moving back. Moving back and still having power. Is he stepping to the side when he does that? He had to. Yes. But it doesn't even necessarily have to be that he planned it out and that was a part of the game plan. I think Stipe does that. I think he's a really good striker. If you're looking at his movement.

45:27Oh, yeah. And I think you're looking at a guy who's super fucking determined, man. Stipe is super determined. And when you're a guy that's that focused, you're going to get fucking really good at everything. Yeah. So after he gets that fight. Look at that jab. See that jab? Yeah. See how fluid it is, too. It's so... Like everything he's doing is so relaxed and efficient. You don't see a lot of jab. Man, Fabrizio's catching him. You don't see a lot of jabs. Like, my all-time favorite fighter, probably if I had to tell you who I was most excited to see fight, is probably Vandele. There's the right hand. Boom. See that right hand? He's hurt. He's fucking hurt here. Yeah, he got mad. He didn't just get mad. His legs jolted. He had a... Like, you could see his legs stiffen up when he got hit by that first right hand. He got hurt. And then the second one face plants him. Stipe's a dangerous guy.

46:14He's not going to make mistakes. Hey, Cleveland. Let's get our boy a goddamn parade. No one wins shit in that town. No shit. Hey, LeBron. You want to jack every other UFC fighter? How about you tweet out about Stipe? Your boy's from your fucking hometown. He jumped off the fence. He goes, I'm the world champ. I'm the world champ. Yeah, man. It was like coming into his mind. Like, is this real information? Hey, LeBron. Did that just happen? Did you step your fucking game up? Fucking yeah. I love it. I love that guy. Me too, man. I love him. I love what he stands for. I love watching him as a fighter. I love that he could do that. I love it. I love that he did it in Brazil. Look at this. Me too. Watch this. Watch how efficient. Stooch. See, it's like tank. Yeah, he just drops it in on him. To be able to time it that good too. Look at this. Watch the timing. Stoom. Look at that timing, dude. He pushes his hand away.

47:04Pushes and then with the same hand. Did you see Overeem's tweet? Crack. Yeah. Yeah, he wants to find him. Yeah. Of course. He said, you're next. And he did that blood sport meme. Love it. See, that one showed both. Wow. That highlight right there was the perfect highlight. Step to the right. Because it showed the first one, how much impact the first one had on him. Yeah. The first punch was a big factor there, man. That first punch had him co-weird up. Unbelievable, man. Man. So cool. I like that you could still say Queer Street and you're not a homophobe. No, Queer Street's fun. Queer Street's an old Queer Street. You can't take that away from us. It's just strange. You're like, what? Where am I? The heavyweight division's fun right now, man, because I don't think we're going to see a champ reign for a long time. I want to make a shirt that says Fight for Queer Street. Oh. How about Queer Street Fight Club?

47:53I think that's sending out the wrong message. Might be. That's like a bat signal for dick. That's what I'm talking about. We'll teach you how to throw a right hand. For anyone who likes dick, Queer Street Fight Club. You'll learn how to throw a right hand and fuck. Guys. Dicks are on us. Time to come, guys. Let's take a sex break. I put up a picture the other day on Twitter of the Oak Ridge Boys. Somebody sent me a picture of the Oak Ridge Boys because it looks like us. Yeah. One of them looks exactly like you. It really does. And one of them looks like you and me had a baby. But one of the things that I was shocked was like someone said, this looks like you and Callan. But I go, oh my God, how gay were the Oak Ridge Boys? Holy shit. Wait, wait, wait. Did you see this picture? You're going to go, what? That's not real. No, that's real. This is the actual album cover. Wow. They took a photo shoot for this shit.

48:39Holy shit. And then there was. It's hilarious. You were allowed to feather your hair back then. Yeah. I appreciate it. Check this. No, that's Orleans. Okay, Orleans. You don't have mercy. Well, Orleans, this is important because someone said to me after I posted the picture of the Oak Ridge Boys, they said they didn't have nothing on Orleans. And they put that up. And I was like, whoa. You ain't lying. How about homeboy on the right and the bear cub on the far left? Just a bunch of hairy dudes. Waking and dreaming. And look at this guy looking down at the other guy's dick. Literally. Dude, you're actually looking down at this guy's dick. You're closing his eyes. You're crazy. If you don't think Orleans is doing a show, then fucking each other. Look at these guys. They fuck each other during the show. You just don't notice it. You don't notice it because they're so gay, you get blinded. They wash each other's hair.

49:23Dude, look at this. This is us. Look at Callan. The far left. The far right is Callan and me had a kid and the kid likes mustaches. Look at the guy's fucking. Why does he have pantyhose around his neck? What kind of clothing is that around his neck? Hey, man. No, that's a straight tie. That's a straight tie, guys. I don't think it's a tie. Look, it's got a tassely thing at the bottom. With a pink shirt. You're right, damn it. See how tassely it is at the bottom? It's a Randy Couture style. Same stylist as Randy Couture? Same stylist as Couture? No, it's the dad of Randy Couture stylists. That's it. And you know why they have that little star on the right? Because that dude had a boner that's poking out over the top of his jeans. Those are some high jeans. Those are high crotch jeans. It was like a little broomstick poking out over the top of his jeans. Those guys are awesome, man.

50:10The guy that looks like me on the end here is really arching his back, man. He's really arched up. He's having a good time is what he's having. The two guys in the middle, one of them is a magician. The other one is a nature guy. Damn right. The other one looks like a blackjack dealer. The second guy is. The far left guy looks like a guy who dies in some sort of crazy orgy. Everybody does too much molly. They were just having fun back then, making music and sucking dick. I'm not mad at it either. And wearing shrimp colored jackets. Everyone's so tight these days. I know, right? You can't even have fun anymore. You can't Orleans it anymore. Could you imagine if today, in today's climate, a guy... But I would have thought that that climate back then was less tolerant. I know. Today is super tolerant. It was, it was, back then.

50:53It's like, look, there's a national debate going on on whether or not women should have to go into the same restroom as transgender people. That's a national debate. Who would have ever thought that it would be, this country would be so concerned with hurting people's feelings that that would be a big part of the national debate. Big part. But if a band went out and did that, we'd be like, get the fuck out of here with that gay shit. It's true. I would repost that shit. You got the federal government now asking public schools that get public funds. To create a separate bathroom for transgender people. Okay. What's going on? What's going on? Is this just the internet? Is it the pressure of groups on the internet? Like, what is it about? I think, I think like anything else, for the first time, the transgender community has a voice for the first time. Right.

51:35Anytime you have that, you're going to be, you're going to have people that get very, very loud and they're, this is their chance. This is their moment to say, hey, we're here. We've been in the closet forever and you're probably going to have the louder voices in that community. And even the ones that are more extreme drive the debate. The problem is that, you know, there are concerns for all of us. For example, if you identify with a different sex, if it's really, the Civil Rights Act was all about sex. Right. But now you're talking about, now you're talking about discrimination based on how I perceive myself so I can be a man. And if I put a wig on, um, but I say I'm a woman, I'm identifying with that gender by federal law. Am I then allowed to go into a woman's bathroom? Well, that becomes difficult. The problem I have be is like, I have to be cool with everything.

52:35It might be a little weird to me if, uh, you know, there's a dude in a dress. I'm not used to that. I didn't grow up around it. And you're allowed to feel weird about it. Or if Caitlyn Jenner's on the front of Vanity Fair, or how about Caitlyn Jenner now is saying, I might want to go back to Bruce. Did you hear that? No. Yeah. So, I know you hate that shit, Joe, but I'm just saying, to me, it's a little weird that she's on the front cover of Sports Illustrated. I'm like, dude, that used to be fucking Bruce. Yeah. And then I get called a homophobe or something like that because to me, it's a little strange and I can't have questions about it. It sums up. I can't, you can't force me to accept it. You're right, but just, if, this is the way to look at it, in my opinion. You know, we are, we have a lot of different minorities. Let's just take transgender. They're a sexual minority.

53:17Forever they have been relegated to the, you know, the shadows. You had to keep it a secret. You felt different, et cetera, et cetera. We know the stories. What makes a country strong and great is the fact that this country is great. And the difference between this country and, say, Russia is Russia has one idea of what strength is, and that is the biggest muscles and the biggest guns. And the United States has that, too. But remember, what makes this country strong and interesting as a culture is the fact that we create a safe haven for people who think and act differently. That's where you get people like Marilyn Manson and Prince and great artists. So the debate becomes, how do you make those people feel safe without, without creating major inconvenience for, you know, the vast majority of us who say, we may not have the funds for a third bathroom. Yeah.

54:10You know, now you're talking about an entire different infrastructure. So how do we work around this? Oh, but we got the funds to set up electric centers for Teslas? Well. Fuck you. I, I, I, it's a, it's a, it's a good debate to have. I don't know what the answer is. I meant to talk to you guys off the show about this. I found the Mr. Hands video. Well, let's get back to this because I don't think we're done with this. Yeah. Um, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And look, I definitely think that there is a spectrum of transgender people. And I think there's people that you wouldn't even notice. And then there's people that look a lot like men and want to identify with women and people are going to be scared of that. And there's going to be weirdness involved with that because not because the transgender people might be creepy, but because we know that there are men that are predators that

54:58are not transgender men that are straight. That's what I worry about. And if you give them the opportunity to wear a dress and go into the women's room and just say they identify with being a woman, one of the, what they wanted on North Carolina, and this is where it gets interesting, is you had to, it's not that you had to be a transgender person. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong because I don't think I am. It's not that you couldn't go in the bathroom if you're a transgender person. It's you have to go into the bathroom that matches the gender on your birth certificate. Okay. Now, if you're born a woman, but you want to be a man, you can get that changed on your birth certificate. I didn't know that. Yeah, you can. Yeah. Apparently you can. Caitlyn Jenner did it. So if they do that, if they get it changed on the, I don't know how they could change on your birth certificate 60 years later.

55:47Yeah, they do it. Here's the problem. Now we're in this weird semantics thing where it's, we're not talking about like technical, like what, how, how fluid is gender? I mean, we need to really define this before you just allow someone to wear a dress and go into a woman's room. Now it's how someone self identifies. And it's a very different, it's a very different area than the legislation that exists. It's cloudy because now you're talking about, you're not talking about male, female. You're not saying, Hey, uh, if you are in the pension plan in this company, because women live, say 15 years longer or whatever it might be, you have to pay more into that pension plan. As an example, that was unconstitutional because it was sex discrimination. Now these laws are concerned with how someone identifies. It's very murky. So you may have a penis, but you identify as a woman and you're taking hormones.

56:44Now we're in a very, very strange. But here's the thing. You don't even have to be taking hormones. That's right. You can just identify with being a woman and not want to do anything different than what you are right now and then go into women's rooms. Like there's a guy. Is that the exception though, Joe? Like, yeah, there's plenty of exceptions. Well, cause if you can say, ah, well guys are going to put on dress and just to go look at little girls, but wouldn't that be the exception overall? Perhaps. Yes. For sure. Well, how many transgender people are using bathrooms? That's the exception. That's a huge exception. The exception to that is that they're going to go in there just to look at little girls or molest little boys. You're right. But if it's one out of a hundred, it's something we should talk about. If it's one out of a thousand.

57:22You can't talk about it, but you can't make a decision based off the exception. But you have to figure out what it is. Like, and that's where it gets almost impossible. It's really hard to protect women and children from creepy dudes. Yeah. Like, and this is not a slight on transgenders at all. This is, there are some men. We're talking about men who take advantage of that. Who take advantage of a law. That's right. This has nothing to do with transgenders. Giving any possible loophole where a piece of shit, creepy male predator is allowed to use a bathroom with a 10 year old girl in it. Under the sanction of the law. Yes. Under the sanction of the law. Oh, no, I get it. Man, I don't know about all that. No, I'm not cool with it either. Because my daughter, Stephen Crowder, but it's not, you're making a law for the exception in the first place.

58:05To make a law that says that transgender people can use a woman's room is, is an exception. Okay? Because you are making a law about a very rare thing. A rare thing that when you look at the entire internet and 7 billion people, you see millions of examples of it. So you go, well, transgender community is strong. We should recognize that they're being discriminated against. And that's all good. And I think we all believe that, right? We all believe that. Yeah, for sure. But that is a rare thing to make a law for when you're dealing with how many women have to use that restroom. So do you nothing? Hold on a second. How many women have to use that restroom? How many? Yeah. How many transgenders want to use that restroom? Like, what are the, what is the actual numbers that we're looking at before we start talking about this and having this goddamn national debate on it? And creating new bathrooms.

58:48Creating, well, that may, might be the only way, but what are the fucking numbers? Can we just get some data on what the numbers? Does anyone know? Is there any actual numbers? There must be. There must be. So then how many men are sexual predators? Well, that's where it gets really fucking easy. All you have to do is go to those sexual predator apps on your iPhone. Everywhere you fucking look, there's sexual predators. Now, it could be a lot of different things. I know a dude who got labeled a sexual predator because he got caught taking a piss outside. Yep. He went outside, he exposed his dick, he stepped outside of a bar and pissed. And because of that- It is ridiculous, but it's one of those backwoods country fuck states. And it was in like the 1980s or something like that. And this guy got arrested. Took a piss off a Porsche. Yeah. Don't piss around a playground.

59:30It's not, not just one guy that this happened to. This happened to a bunch of guys, especially if you expose yourself anywhere near a school or something along those lines. That's what I'm saying. Don't piss around elementary school. Yeah, you're a sexual predator. So there's a lot of piece of shit men. We all know what we mean by sexual predator. But the problem is, how do you define? How do you define- God, it's tough. When a guy said- Look, there was an article that I read the other day about a guy with a beard. He has a full beard, but he identifies as a woman. He wants to be able to use women's rooms. And he doesn't take hormones, but he is a woman. He feels like he's a woman. And he wants to go- He doesn't want to have surgery, but he identifies as a woman. Can't have that. So here's how I feel. My daughter's eight years old. Okay, well, expect- How about that? Yeah, I'll tell you. So my daughter's eight.

60:10The other day, I had to send her into a public bathroom at the movie theater. I assume when I send my eight-year-old into a woman's bathroom that she's going to be safe because it's going to be little girls and women. If there's a dude in there with a beard who says he identifies as a woman, I'm not letting my daughter go in that bathroom until that guy's out of there. And you know why? I don't know who that dude is. And he might say he identifies as a woman. He might be fucking crazy, too. Yeah. There's also that possibility. But he's not getting near my daughter. You also might whoop your ass if you go in there. Yeah, I also don't trust him. Of course. A big-bearded dude. And I'm allowed to say that. Yeah. You can't have that. And you're allowed to say that. And someone will say, that's a woman, and you should say she's a woman. No. I would say, that's a man. Can't do that.

60:53Okay, so when do we draw the line, man? When do we draw the line? When do we draw the line? It's tough, huh? Yeah. This was a big part of the Fallon Fox debate about Fallon Fox becoming a transgender and then fighting women and saying she's a woman now. Yeah. Well, with a man's frame. And then it becomes a sociological or a political issue more than a scientific and a fight analysis issue. Which is stupid because physically she's built like a man fighting little girl. There's a bunch of differences. Well, there's a shit with a disney skeleton. That one's easy to me. That one's easy to me. Then there's also hips. You know, the shape of the hips. Yeah. Power. But then again, what the fuck do you do about someone like Gabby Garcia who's clearly taking male hormones? Like, where does that fit in? Because that, look, if you're fighting against women, and if you're fighting against women

61:41who are just taking nothing, but you're taking male hormones, where's this line? Is it penis, vagina? Is that the only line? Or is there a certain amount of hormones you take where you become a fucking dude? Yeah. And if you do it like Chasity Bono, Chas Bono now. So she takes the hormones, she becomes he, she becomes Chas. That's male hormones turns her into a dude, right? We all agree because she says it. Well, it's Gabby Garcia on more or less than her. Well, I would suggest- I'd say different, but more. But I would suggest that question becomes relevant only when- Competition. It begins to interfere with your everyday routine, rights, when it starts getting into situations where you're going to have to share, for example, public space, a bathroom, something intimate. No. Well, in sports, it's even more. No, fighting. In sports. Oh, fighting. Yeah, forget it. In sports, it's even-

62:34You weren't even listening. No, I was. No, I was listening. In sports, it's even more- In sports, it's way more important because if Gabby Garcia's on some shit, she's fighting some poor girl who's just on, you know, the regular protein- But that's why it's illegal. She's going to physically get her ass off. But it's not illegal. It's not illegal. It's not illegal in Japan. That's why- Oh, oh. And we're just assuming- Right. Yeah. Fallon Fox fought in America. Yeah. That's a whole different situation. Toss them all to Cyborg. It's when- How are we defining gender? Yeah. Are we defining it by your own personal choices? Do you just decide, I am this, I am that? Well, I feel like a girl- I want to be Juana, man. I'm going WNBA. I feel like a girl. But let's talk about this. I mean, if you looked at Cyborg this weekend and she was fighting Leslie- Smith. Leslie Smith. Bless her heart.

63:16You look at Cyborg and she's a woman, of course, but there is something about her physicality that clearly, she just looks like she was built to fucking bang on people like a drum. Have you ever seen her first fight? No. She didn't look like that. Okay. A lot of it is- Genetically modified? There's a lot of speculation as to what she did in order to look like that. But she's also failed to test her. Here's one thing undeniable. That woman works hard. She runs six miles every day. She trains like a fucking beast. Yes. Apparently, according to her trainers, she has an insane work rate, right? But she definitely has tested positive for something. She's tested positive. And also, now she is in the UFC and I don't know, we don't know. I'm not saying she's taking shit. We got to wait until the drug results come back in Brazil this past fight. But at 140, at 135, she's by far the best female fighter in the UFC.

64:12Until you beat her, you ain't shit. Dude, the way she ran through Leslie Smith. Her technique is flawless. This is the- Flawless. The credit has to go to Jason Perillo, who's her boxing coach. Because at her level, she's been doing it forever, right? To take a fighter that has that many fights and to give them this set of skills now. Because notice, this is what was most impressive to me in that fight. She didn't get hit. Right. She had head movement, footwork, angles. She didn't get hit. Cyborg gets hit when she fights. She'll trade, sit, bang Mike Tyson style. She had footwork. Leslie Smith didn't land a single punch. I see that one. Oh, shit. Perillo should be getting all the credit. And also, Perillo worked- And Grant, I've never worked with Perillo, nothing. I'm just analyzing his fighters. With Bisbing, too. Bisbing boxed Anderson Silva's face-off. A boxing clinic.

65:02I don't know if you could shake like that and say face-off. Face-off. I really don't. I was trying to exaggerate the point to you. He did drop him. He dropped him. But he also landed the most shots ever on Anderson Silva. Again, a veteran fighter in Bisbing who's been fighting forever. What's the one common denominator? Before I forget, the coach. Do you think it was dirty when Anderson jumping, kneed him in the face? Or do you think that Michael Bisbing's not supposed to call for a reset to pick up his mouthpiece? That's on Bisbing. That's on Bisbing. Because before every fight, Herb Dean or Big John Coutt go, Listen, man, protect yourself at all times. Don't stop unless I come in there and stop. We all know that. But he's trying to say my mouthpiece. He's talking to the ref. Wouldn't you think, would you agree, like when is there a break in the action, technically?

65:43If a guy is talking to the referee and he's moving away and he's not in exchange, he's like, Hey, I'll drop my mouthpiece. Drop my mouthpiece. Is that a break in the action? Or is he calling for a break in the action? And it could be perceived that he's calling for a break in the action because the momentum is not shifting his way. Correct. Look at Paul Hart. You can't stop until... Dude, I'm fighting to the death. That's a bad term there. But until a ref tells me not, it's on, man. So when I hit Crow Cobb, that's on Herb Dean. Step your 40 time up, son. Okay, but should he be allowed to stop? See, the break in the action thing is ambiguous. Here's my thought. If you move back, you move back, and you put your hands up, and you go, my mouthpiece, and you put your hands up. You're calling for a break in the action, and the referee says, that's not your place. Your place is to compete. Which is correct.

66:26Or do they have to wait until an actual break in the action? I think they have to wait until an actual break. But why is that? Because you should not be able to fight. Look, you should definitely be penalized. Like, did you see when Simon Marcus fought, Joe Schilling kept spitting out his mouthpiece? So they took a point away from him because they thought, because he kept spitting it out, that he was tired and he was trying to take a break. Which is what he was doing, I think. Some guys do do that. So in order to stop that from happening, they penalize you. Veterans do it. But a referee, if he knows that your mouthpiece is out, he should stop the fight. So it's real tricky. Like, does the referee have to wait? Because you really shouldn't be getting punched. He might be looking at something else, though, right? You really shouldn't be able to see.

67:03The problem is, like, lips and gums with teeth, with raw teeth. Your face getting fucked up, man. But Ben's being in the answer, and we're kind of in it. It was kind of in it, and it came out, and he's like, no, no, no, stop, stop. Yeah, he also was like, what? Yes. Fuck that. He turned and pointed at his mouthpiece. Remember when Paul Harris with Nate Marquardt turned the ref and said, hey, he's got slippery stuff on his ankle, and Nate just dove in and went, bow, bow, bow. That's got to be on the fighter who voluntarily, unilaterally takes a minute to... It's also not dirty. It's not dirty. Because as a fighter, dude, it's a very dangerous sport. I see any glimpse where I can get an advantage, I'm fucking going. Like Floyd Mayweather and Victor Ortiz. I have no problem with that. That to me was fucked up. It's not, though. No, no. It's not. It's a fight. He came up and said, hey, man, sorry.

67:48No, they already said sorry twice. And he goes, come on, man. Boom. Nah, that's bullshit. Bullshit. It's not bullshit. Look, you know what that was? I'll tell you what it was. Victor Ortiz had a mental breakdown. Yep. He was succumbing to the pressure. He was fouling Floyd. Headbutting. He was headbutting him. And he got penalized for it. When he got penalized for it, he wanted to make friends with Floyd. And in the making friends part, like, I'm sorry, bro. Look, a lot of times you can't have that in a fight. You can't have that in a fight because the disruption of your focus, it's adding in this emotional connection with this person. Now this person's your buddy. Okay, we're bros. We're bros, right? Let's go back to fighting. And Floyd's like, fuck you. Left hook. Right hand. Go to sleep, bitch. And Ortiz is known for that. Breaking. Yes. He just got knocked out by Berto. Cold-blooded. Yeah, man.

68:33I think he's done, right? Probably should be. It seems like when he got really famous and things started taking off, like, didn't he have the same? The stars, movies. Yeah. Yeah, the expendables. He was doing well against Berto. The first five rounds, I'm like, shit, here he is. Because you remember, they built him up as the next Oscar De La Hoya. He was like the golden boy. And then it just never went down for him. The two fights I want to see is Golovkin, Canelo, and I want to see Kovalev, Andre Ward. Kovalev and Andre Ward's going to be crazy. That's happening for sure. Yeah, that's happening. God, I can't wait for that. Andre Ward is so smart. He just has to fight more. He's so smart. But there might not be enough. Might not be enough against Kovalev, man. It's so hard. Well, he's not just so hard. He's skillful as fuck. Killed the guy. Yeah. Killed the guy in the ring. He doesn't seem to bother at all.

69:20He doesn't seem to bother at all. Killed the killer. No, he doesn't give a fuck. How about, and it's kind of stupid to talk about, but it has legs. Floyd Mayweather, Conor McGregor. It doesn't have any legs. It kind of does. It does. It kind of does. You know why? Why? Because Floyd wants it. It doesn't matter. I disagree. UFC's not going to let it happen. Well, but see, the only reason why I disagree with you there is because Dana goes, if Floyd wants to make that fight happen, call me. Dana's a businessman. They care about money. You know how big that fight would be? How much money do you think they can make if Floyd Mayweather fights Conor McGregor? Biggest pay for you of all time? No. Isn't that crazy? No. You don't think so? No. What's Conor going to do? Easily! It might be. Conor's boxing, boxing, boxing. What do you know? Conor McGregor's the biggest draw already in UFC.

70:05Mayweather's the biggest pay-per-view draw in boxing of all time. You mixed the world. Everyone would tune in, including your dad. I would tune in. You tell me you wouldn't tune in? No, because I would. You're full of shit. You're so full of shit. It's not an interesting fight. It's a very uninteresting fight. You should have taken two hits instead of a little baby fake hit. Very uninteresting fight. No, it's fascinating. I'm going to spark up his joint. So what would happen is Floyd Mayweather would box with Conor McGregor and basically move around and be like, all right, here goes. And it'd be a spectacle. It's just not a fight. It wouldn't be a fight. What? You a fucking party pooper? Yes. This is the thing. You got to remember. Who cares? The one thing that Dana and Floyd Mayweather, who would be responsible for putting this fight together, and Conor for that matter, all they care about is money and numbers.

70:50That fight would be money and fucking numbers. It would break Pacquiao Mayweather, can't it? Okay, I know. I think you're right. What I'm saying is that how would that fight come? What would they do in that fight? So Floyd probably could knock him out anytime he wanted, right? No. No. Conor has a very good chin. I mean, Conor got knocked out by Nate Diaz, or he got knocked down and hurt and stunned, wobbled by Nate Diaz. Yeah. Little gloves, first of all. Nate's a really good puncher. Nate's a big guy. Nate's fought at 170. He's a lot bigger than Floyd, like physically a lot bigger. Way bigger. Yeah. But Floyd is a guy who's broken his hands many, many times, and he's not known for really uncorking all of his might and trying to knock guys out. Not a knockout artist in the least bit. But he could. He certainly could. It's not that Floyd doesn't hit real hard, but when you box real smart, knockouts come.

71:41The opportunity comes. Like the Ricky Hatton fight. That's a perfect example. Right. That knockout came. Yep. It's not like he went looking for it. The Victor Ortiz fight, Victor just fucked up, and he just left-hooked right-handed him. And he was a total sucker punch. Like, he had no idea what was going on. But look when Mayweather has issues. Against a guy like Maydana. Yeah. I mean, if- Are you suggesting- First fight. First fight. Second fight, he boxed the shit out of him. He did. But if Maydana, like, if I was Conor's coach and that fight were to happen, I'm like, hey, man, don't be pretty and sit on the outside and try and hit this guy. We make this a dogfight. You're the bigger guy here. You think Conor would actually give Floyd Mayweather a boxing match? Is that what I'm hearing? No. That's not what anybody's saying. No. The thing we're saying is- I'm saying he'd be the biggest draw and be interesting.

72:21I'm saying that I don't think Floyd would just go out and try to knock him out in the first round. Oh, you mean he'd just- Yeah, he'd box him. I think he would Canelo Alvarez him. But, you know, obviously Canelo's way more skillful in boxing. Yeah. I mean, Canelo is a world champion one-punch knockout artist boxer. I mean, that fucking Amir Khan knockout. Hey, Jesus, Louisa. You know what Floyd said? He said a super fucking home run on the button. Dude, Floyd got hit. He said after he got- when he fought Canelo, he got punched in the thigh by Canelo. Had trouble walking for two days. He literally- he didn't show it. After the fight, he was like, dude, my thigh. He punched me in the thigh so hard, I am having trouble walking. That's why Floyd is never going to fight MMA. Because if Conor would fucking break his legs, like literally. Oh, the MMA would be- it would be disgusting.

73:08MMA would be more embarrassing than Conor doing just boxing. Way more embarrassing. He would get- Way more embarrassing. Because Conor's a big guy, Floyd would have to like box smart. I don't think Conor- I think Conor would have just unbelievably difficult time even coming close to hitting him. I mean, I think he's gonna- If he was straight boxing, he's probably gonna get embarrassed. He's probably gonna get embarrassed. He's probably gonna get embarrassed. Yeah. You're talking about if not the greatest boxer of all time and his defense is good. It would be a great show. You can't say good. It's the best defense ever. For sure. Best defense ever. Best defense ever. And now you're taking a guy who he's an elite striker in the UFC, but boxing's a different game, man You know, I would have loved to seen Canelo fight Floyd like in a couple of years when Canelo's like 27 28, you know when he has the experience

73:53Because I think like if you look at like sugary leonard versus roberto duran like both guys were like really in their prime Experience yeah, I'm world champions And sometimes you know, I mean sometimes like your prime comes early like Tyson yeah, and sometimes your prime comes later You know like Bernard Hopkins, but when a guy's in his prime, you know, he's in his prime Yeah, I think Canelo wasn't in his prime when he fought Floyd I think I still don't I think he's getting there and if I'm Canelo's management and as a fan I won't see Canelo triple G and granted they say Canelo's probably gonna have to vacay in his belt if he doesn't fight triple G That's what they're saying at that weight. Why does he want 155? That's not middleweight like why are they saying it is making all these fights at 155 and they're calling a middleweight because it's over 154

74:36Yeah, they have a weird thing going on. That's what's wrong with boxing But if I'm Canelo's camp, I'm not sending that fight up that yet man as a fan I'm like dear God make that fight happen as a businessman a manager. I'm like Canelo you ain't fighting triple G right now We're gonna do a couple more big paydays and because also you gotta remember triple G is not a draw We know him we're in the fight game. He's not a draw at all right his paper you did I think hundred and twenty five thousand I'm sure five. Wow Brandon listen big drama show big drama. I give you drama show So there's business I want the belt serious business He's awesome, but he's not he's just not like as far as being a pay-per-view drawing power. He's not there yet So give Canelo 70-30 and knock him the fuck out. He won't do it

75:20He won't do it you toss Canelo like Lemieux or someone else so you can just murk and keep building his name Well, he wants to go He wants it to be 160 and Canelo wants it to be 155 apparently that's a that's a holdup and you know He triple G's a bigger guy and if triple G has to drop down five pounds They think it'll be enough to weaken them and you know Maybe Canelo can have a chance and they can slug it out in the trenches Why does he hit so hard? If you look at the fight the actual fight itself when Amir Khan just fought Canelo he did expose that speed and movement are still a problem. Yes It's just he doesn't have the same speed or the same movement as Floyd, but his speed and movement were a bit of a problem Some real issues That one two was laying all night. Yes, especially in the first round the first round he lit him up with some straight right hands I was like, ooh, okay

76:07How's this gonna play out? But I think that there's no one else in that division that can do that no Cotto couldn't do it to him Canelo outboxed Cotto Yeah, I mean and then Floyd was really the only guy to expose it but Floyd's Floyd there's no other Floyd's Yeah, so who the fuck else is in the division? I think triple G Canelo right now is it'd be a bad decision for Canelo Well Terrence Crawford's 147 so talented 147 and 154 next door neighbors I agree How weird is it they fight over like two and three pounds? It's crazy fucking make the weight It's so different than MMA in that was so weird MMA you're dealing with a you know from middleweight to light heavyweight Which guys jump back and forth you're dealing with 20 fucking pounds? I mean that's madness you think there should be more weight classes?

76:48Yeah, weight classes fuck. Yeah, I've been saying this from the jump there should be a weight class every 10 pounds and they're like well There's too many champions and waters it down. I completely disagree You're telling me some of these amazing fighters that you have that are superstars like a Donald Cerrone like a Diego Sanchez like all these different guys So there's just some amazing guys that never won a title that are huge fan favorites, right? If you look at all these different guys Uriah Faber's another one you tell me those guys couldn't have been champions and you you wouldn't have had even more champions and an even Crazier thing if they were if there was a weight class every 10 pounds and a better product You're getting better performances from yeah, because Donald's not destroying his body make 55

77:28You're not having these monsters make these weight classes and they're actual world champions. There's not about the sponsorships So not enough weight classes. I agree. There's not heavyweight classes 206 to 265. How dare you? That's crazy It's crazy. Oh god. It's crazy. God damn it But what's interesting is the best guys seem to like flatten out around 240. Yeah, so my thought is Let's make a 240. Let's make that heavyweight and then 240 to 242 65 or a little champions the better or all the way up Don't tell you can't the only time you can't is like a little bit of a problem Pro promise with cyborg right because she's like she goes I'll fight anyone at 140 but at 140 is a B I heard from my source It was a beast for her to get to I think she's the 145 pound Invicta champion. They have a 135 in the UFC one make up 145 and I think you do 140

78:20Why 40 why she can make 40 but why do it why make her make it she's a 145 pound champ? I know, but there's not a lot of all the superstars at 135 can make 140 to make them put on 10 pounds ever Build it they will come have her fight I would always say right now mr. Rogan But right now you understand she's the Invicta champion, so she's fighting people in Invicta. Hey Yeah, look it's true. It's Invicta. She's better than all of them anyway doesn't matter sure But you shouldn't be forcing her to kill herself when 145 is already established weight class Misha Tate was the 145 pound champion strike force good point an established way Misha said you'd fight her too. It's an established weight class. I think at 140 though Well listen Holly Holmes fought people in boxing as high as 152 It's but 145 is an established weight class. Who the fuck is sign up to fight cyborg?

79:06How does Holly home do against cyborg? Holly home has the best his she has the best chance because cyborg is a ruthless marauder She's like a berserker attacker shoot the box style not this last fight. No, she wasn't this last fight more technically Yeah, and those hits I was like oh shit Yeah, that counter right hands Knees hard of course. She's mad at the stoppage she's a beast. She should be she should be celebrating that stuff She should she should definitely thank the referee the referee saved her from herself. Yes, but she just so tough fighter She's so tough that you want she wanted to go out on our shield, but she was already gone. Yeah, she doesn't understand ground and pound That shit is El Fador days now she was punching a bitch in the face She's so much more advanced than anybody else crazy so much more than I get up to Perillo

79:58Well, she's different than Holly completely Holly is a counter striker and Holly also had a really brutal knockout in boxing against a larger woman and I've watched it. I was like whoa It's the kind of knockout that you never really fight that way again because you realize the consequences now Yeah, like someone gets brutally brutally knocked out They're aware of that as a consequence and I think she's become much more of a defensive minded counter striker Which was super effective against Rhonda. It's better I think for her right, but it didn't look so good against Misha because Misha was fighting super smart But it was also Holly took her down Well, it's also because Misha doesn't rush after I just She's a little bit of a great standing outside Misha fought amazing, but I also thought for whatever reason

80:44Holly didn't fight like herself she doesn't like pulling the trigger. She doesn't like the lead. Yeah She doesn't like the lead and she's worried about being taken down when she got taken down by Misha We realized why she doesn't like to lead correct me she took her down beat the shit out of her on the ground like Destroyed her in that second round was on top of her most of the round just beating her ass And so we knew look at Misha gets her down. She's fucked So then she fights like a like a craftsman the third and fourth round She just fights real smart stays on the outside edges those rounds and then Misha's forced to go for broke in the fifth And Misha wound up taking her out and choking her out story, man So but here's the thing cyborgs Cyborg's way better on the ground. I mean way better on the ground and strong way

81:24You mean way better on the ground Holly way way better way better cyborg wins straight jujitsu competitions She is fucking strong. She's your fucking she's suplexes. She's just made She's rampant Ragdolling bitches. She looks like it's on top of you. Oh my god. Her ground and pound I was like, oh fuck. She looks like a panther like she looks like him It's almost like she was put on the earth for one thing like well when she's in that ring that cage You're just like to me. No one's doing shit till you beat her Yeah, she's she's built herself into that and it's taken so long for her to finally get her now She's here and everyone's like god and even when she's here man They did it in Brazil and they did it at 140. They made her suffer I would have my personal choice. I would have had the first ever 145 pound fight in the UFC

82:09Let a bunch of people sign up to be who wants to who wants to get in there and ain't no sign up for that my man That's the problem But I think you got in Victor girls that are agreeing to fighter So if you got in Victor girls are agreeing to fight you tell me those girls wouldn't take a fight in the UFC of course I'm telling you no one would care Frank Edgar doesn't matter. It's the cyborg show dude It's the cyborg show right now. This is Mike Tyson versus people that you don't know and you know It's turning tubs. Yeah, Mike Tyson versus Tony tub easy She has a ways to go for she's Mike Tyson She just got introduced But I'm saying when you went to see Mike Tyson versus Tony tubs didn't think Tony tub's gonna win I'm a Tony tubs fan. You went to see the Mike Tyson shot. No, I was there see Tony I'm with you If you're Misha's manager and they're like hey, we need you to find out 145 cyborg take Misha

82:55I think Misha would take that you should take it, but everyone else like that ain't a good move No, and listen, you know cyborg like go back to the Gina Carano fight cyborg had problems in that fight So people don't understand Gina Carano had her mounted Gina Carano was a tough fucking girl Hotest fight of all they duked it out Gina literally was on top of her had her mounted cyborg wasn't the same cyborg back then but Cyborg was way more shredded back then she was what she was like a bodybuilder man She was terrifying like just a physical muscular the the muscularity and the power that she had There's a picture that I'll never forget man is one of if I have like a list of all my iconic memories of Photographs in MMA there's one where cyborg is grabbing The head of Gina Carano. She's got her fingers out She's got an MMA glove on with nail polish on and she's about to punch her in the face

83:50And Gina's face is already fucked up and cyborgs holding her head I'm not trying she's about so there it is right there look at that look at that come on son Yeah, that is an iconic photo look at the eyes the cold Boom she's gonna sleep dropping a right hand on her fucking Fucking jaw right there crushing her feel that bitch and this is by the way the cyborg that you're watching to But look at the muscles on her fucking shoulder and her arm and the cyborg you're looking at today stupid bitch The cyborg you're gonna say would fuck this cyborg up for sure. She's better now She's super fucking dedicated man. She's just doing the damn thing ever see some of the videos of her training at a Phuket top team Nope, good lord. She spends a lot of time in Thailand. Yeah running hills and training with men dude. I saw I saw the the her man the old man and what this cyborg Santos fight in Bellator

84:51This past oh, yeah, yeah, yeah Well, he committed to an arm. He committed to yeah bars weird Because he won in the first fight with a knee bar. Yeah, so this time he committed to it It's getting hit I'm like for sure let go that knee bar for sure let go that knee bar and it's too late There's a picture of her and him her husband and her Oh, they have just their backs their backs and her back is every bit as wide They have they have one where I think it's just asses and it's both of them. Yeah, that's unfortunate There's that picture where you see Oh, no, it's awesome. It's awesome friends talked them out of those kind of photos. Oh, I disagree. It's like a Brazilian cologne I I say you like the beach boom by ya, but I think it's boom by Well, how's it go? Bom dia? No, how about Matt Brown?

85:36Could I did any worse? I didn't see it you my fucking my goddamn DVR fucked up somehow my kids put like Max and Ruby on or some shit Yeah, they cancels you know like like sometimes people try to have two things. Yeah being taped Yeah, it stops you my wife will move up the kids shows to the top of the order So I didn't I didn't even watch the fight So he gets fucked up by the fans and they kicked this fan out by the way the fan punch him in the face Because he's flipping everyone off at Wayne's yeah, and then his old coach after the fight and they're smacking him in the head man Look how mad he gets a couple guys smacked him in the head. They took they took that dude out of the arena though Yeah, but a couple guys smacked him in the head as he's running in before the guy punch

86:16I know I'm saying they took one of the guys out and smacked them right. Oh, did they? Well, they should have taken all of them I agree stupid Hey security step your fucking game up, but it's just it's embarrassed Goddamn Oh shit someone though. Oh, yeah, dude. He uncorked a bomb on someone's face. That guy got Matt Brown in the face Yeah, he did but then Damien Maia said welcome to my country. Yeah about to choke your ass out I love I didn't see the fight man. Can you can we find the fight Jamie? See if you can find the fight So what we'll do commentary, but how about How about after how about afterwards? He's in the hotel and his old coach sucker punch him back in the head That's what I heard and then got his old coach his old Matt Brown Brown's old grappling coach Sucker punch punch in the back of the head and then he runs off

86:55Oh, no, you ain't running because Matt Brown's coaches are around least are bowling his other jiu-jitsu coach They catch this dude beat the brakes off of him. Is that right? Then he got arrested Reed Harris was just like hey Just went all aggro caught this dude. Why'd they punch him in the back of the head? Because they they have a history what an asshole. Yeah, but can you I gotta pee on my big huge dick? I'll be good Let us know about it. Think about it He's all trimmed up, huh? How much is he lost I swear to God he's got to be usually walked around at 255 and every bit He's probably 240 right now has it made you think about changing your diet? No, you like eating bread and shit? Yeah, I do well with carbs like rice and a pretty clean rice potatoes. I don't I don't mind it I I don't think I'm the body type. I think I'd get even skinnier dude. I you know for me

87:46I need all the carbs I can get I sleep well on carbs Have you ever tried not having them? Uh, no So how do you know no, I mean I have though actually nuts not true I don't I I stay very far away from sugar Yeah, but that's I think the most important thing. Yeah, I don't eat sugar That's what I I was telling people when I moved the first attempt at doing something. I went I tried gluten no gluten But I think the real issue is I wasn't eating bread. So if I'm not eating bread, I'm not getting sugar Exactly exactly and when I and I don't eat a lot of bread because i'm aware of because I monitor my body like so if I eat Two slices even of really good bread I notice that my energy kind of it's not the same as if I eat slow cooked oatmeal. I feel really good Right, you know, yeah, yeah

88:29There's definitely some spikes going on some insulin spikes going on when you eat sugar and you eat bread and we're just used to them Remember, I don't eat a lot either. That's the other thing like I don't I'm not a big Oh, we got the fight here. It is Damian my and Matt Brown This is round three. Okay. Well, we don't know what was going on before that, but we assume it was good They don't look too. Oh, he's sprawling He's trying to he's trying to keep it standing up with Damian. My is doing a good job of staying on the outside of But he's making it real obvious that he wants to take him down. He shoots in Let's move away from the kick. He's so big at 170 my is a beast at 170. I never seen him in person I mean he fought for the title at 185. He's a big guy Oh good job there by Maya and he tries to take down again

89:12And Matt Brown punches him any Matt Brown gets on top. This way fucked up man. Yeah, can't do that dude That's a trap can't let team you trap you we thought he heard him You know, he didn't really hurt him Damian Maya did exactly Brennan Schaub just returns He did exactly what we're saying about Fabricio Verdun with Fedor He pretends he gets hurt and Matt Brown moved in to try to finish him and then Maya got a hold of him You're talking about honey dick and Maya drags him to the ground. This is how confident he is in his jiu-jitsu He lets him mount him I guess I mean he drags him to the ground just to do this just to sweep him and now Matt Brown's fuck that ankle That that sequence that whole sequence is so advanced what he just did there He let Matt Brown drag him down and Matt Brown His instincts as a destroyer were to immediately get on top of him because he's not seen that in training

89:56No one's doing that training. No, especially not allowing him to To potentially knock him out with some ground and pound But Damian Maya's jiu-jitsu is so solid and so slick that whatever shot attempts he gets off mostly are deflected And then he eventually sweeps him and now he's mounting him up against the cage and Matt Brown right now is in quicksand When you have Damian Maya on top of you and your legs are pinned together like that that's terrifying Oh because what he's done here is he's isolated his legs with a triangle So by having those legs extended like that he has no power from his hips He can't throw any punches. He can't get his feet back under him and he can't get those legs back So he's got to commit with his hands So he's got to push down with his hands and while he's pushing down his hands Maya can punch him in the face

90:37And so finally he gets like his half guard back up, but whatever good luck with that Maya will enjoy that He'll get these butterflies and Maya will just sit on your legs wear them out Put pressure on you and then when you stand up, you just get to an even better position does this for all three rounds by the way Well, this is what he does man. He did it to Rick story Rick story is a gorilla He's a gorilla wrestler who walks around at 200 cuts down to 170 and Damian Maya ragdoll that wasn't that precedent He did it to Gunnar Nelson Yeah, and then Neil Magnum's ago. You're on a win streak. That's cool. Check this out. Yeah No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no How about the fact that Jake Shields beat Damian Maya? Sure did Grappling contest. Well, crazy Jake Shields is legit one of the best in the world as a grappler one of the best in the world Jake beat him in the UFC

91:24Yeah, yeah, I mean, but that's why I grappling yes because if they were grappling Jake would give him a hell of a fucking run Jake is a beast dude. His grappling is absolutely world-class. Oh, yeah His problem in the UFC has always been his speed and his striking He's just not a dangerous striker in the way a lot of guys are it's not even that he's a boring fighter Well, not to me yeah to the brass So you look at you look at who he's beat this he's beat the very best he's beat I think all top five guys Yeah, he's beat Robbie Lawler Look at this. He's beat you know all these guys Damian Maya Hey, you would know this He's trying look he's trying to protect himself, but it's just futile It's just when Maya gets that body triangle around on you. He's just constantly manipulating you He doesn't try in one direction only like he's setting up escape doors

92:10So if you try to move through one of those escape doors a new trap is waiting for you and those traps You're not gonna see yeah Years and years and years and jiu-jitsu So your basic movements that usually get you out I'm gonna happen out right in the face over and over. Yeah, I don't say else though. Hey, let me ask you this You would know this why when they showed the top contenders in 185 pound weight class was yo Romero not there because he just got Because he just got well He didn't get cleared to fight again. No, he they cleared the possibility that he might get a lesser sentence because they found The supplement that he took but you're not supposed to take supplements when you just buy some shit at GNC He's just beat Maya's just beating on him and manipulating him with that body triangle man Crazy His body tree I thought he's clear to fight no no

92:55No, well, I don't think they've made a clear decision yet, but they've opened the door for him look at that Oh my god. He tried to punch back behind him. That's I'm surprised he did that well He's done that's exactly what's under the neck. Oh no this done. This one's over There's not much you can do bad asses Matt Brown though. Oh my god. He mean he's badass But I'm just so impressed with Damian Maya I mean, how do you not be impressed with Damian Maya title shot next for my fuck? Yeah has to be right fuck Yeah, and by the way through all these young gets those guys down. They're all fucked. They're all fucked Damian Maya if you don't knock him out and at 170 that ain't no picnic cuz he can strike. Yeah, he can hit hard man Well, if you decide strike with right below, I'm just kidding. I don't think he will

93:37I mean, I don't think he will are these gonna he's gonna try to turn him into one of these I agree dude He's the master when it comes to jujitsu. He is the UFC master because he is at all the guys He's the one guy that's fought the most intelligently with jujitsu because look at Fabrizio his striking got better He got better with striking but his striking ultimately cost him. Yes, whereas Maya is just never gone off track He's but this is new though this new winning streak because remember before it's like Yeah, when yeah, we went down to 170 get 185. Yeah trying to strike with you He was too much. He's too small. He wasn't strong enough to overwhelm them at 170 But alright 185 but at 170 he is me. He's gonna be tough to beat man fuck. Yeah, he is Yeah, I want to see I'm excited to see Jacare fight Luke

94:22Yeah, speaking of jujitsu. Well Luke's got to get past Wideman, you know the rematch with Wideman is gonna be crazy Interesting look Wideman made a big mistake in that fight before that big mistake Yes, it was a very close fight It was like who knows what was going on and now Wideman says he had a broken foot but Luke said he had a bad staph infection You know more than anybody when you go into fights most of the time. You're not a hundred percent You're not a hundred percent with with Wideman from what I hear from this camp and from him is it was the worst camp of his life Like he knew he needed to change things, but he thought he was so talented as world champ He's fine. He doesn't need to do anything. Why was it the worst camp? I guess he had injuries and and certain things like he should have been flying people in

95:04He just didn't and he should have been going somewhere else like working with Mark Henry more and doing other stuff And he's just like I'm good man. I'm champ and he kind of got comfortable And it ended up costing them. This is no This is no gimme fight for either guy either guy. This is a great fight. This is a war to war You know, I mean Rockhold thinks he's gonna run through him this time because he thinks he doesn't have a staph infection And you know the staph infection was physically like really bad And he thinks he also is riding on the confidence of having beaten him having beaten the living fuck out of Lyoto Machida His top game is some of the nastiest shit. I've ever seen in my life wrong So good big dude. It's what happens. He's a big dude, but he's also really talented really smart works hard and he trains with two fucking

95:48Gorillas Kane Velasquez and Daniel Cormier. Yeah, so he's going to war with gorillas and then time Habib Yeah, I think you know training with a guy that's as high level as Habib you mirror some of his movements you You understand what he's doing and then Habib's dad down there helping guys out there was his dad a coach Oh, his dad coach Habib, you know, I mean his dad's always around Habib and his dad coached a few other guys that have fought in the UFC as well, but you're but you're also getting from Habib and you know DC and Kane You're also picking up their training tendencies on the blueprint of these elite of the elite and the three of them And the four of them are coming together and I'm cook to man. Bob cooks a wizard Javier Mendez is a wizard me you got you got great talent as far as coaching killing it They're all they all fights coming up throw together

96:36He's also about as big as you can get for an 85 or he walked around He was trying to 216, you know, like that's a big guy. You know, that's a lot of weight He's slim right now. He's in shape right now. I saw him this weekend. He's slim. Well, he's fighting in a couple of weeks Yeah, he was fighting you know fourth two weeks before it's out here. It's out here in LA June 4th That's right. It's June 4th right June 3rd 3rd and 4th. Yeah, that's right that weekend. Yeah, that's a that's a big Big fight in the middleweight division. It's not getting enough attention man. It's interesting who becomes Huge and famous and who does not become huge and famous. It's really but I don't see I haven't seen much publicity on this fight either I haven't zero no I mean, I'm sure they're gonna ramp it up when it comes close to pay-per-view time

97:18But as far as like the history of the middleweight division, I mean Anderson was the goat, right? He's the greatest of all time Anderson loses to this kid named Weidman by knockout. Weidman should become star doesn't work like that I mean in my eyes, he's a star. I don't understand that's not so gay in my eyes I don't understand as a fan of MMA. I I immediately became a gigantic Chris Weidman fan. I was already a Chris Weidman fan. Here's here's the scary shit on that fucking card Hector Lombard versus Dan Henderson Jesus Christ Do not blink. Yeah, don't blink and don't count that old man out. You can never can't You can't count that guy if he if he comes to the lockdown with a scarf on I'm counting him out Ah See ya Clay Guida is fighting again Cole Miller fighting BJ Penn And here's one someone's everyone's sleeping on Max Holloway Get on that fighting Ricardo Lamas click on that

98:22Everybody's sleeping on that They are sleeping on bro. That's a crazy fight That's a great take of Clay Guida is a fun one too Because Guida is gonna try to take him down and that's good luck with all that take his transition his his guard is I think the best in that division best 45 I think it's the best in the UFC That nobody fucking throws up triangles the way Brian Ortega does that guy is so scary off his back got a train with that guy Joe It's I'm sure it's like what just Oh Oh and all he does is let people the best in the world star in his guard he just trains from there all the time I'm a I can only imagine fast everything so fast and explosive. He's athletic. I completely believe it. He got popped Right he got popped for something. Yeah pop all those boys to him for a while there

99:08Yeah, you got popped for something back now, baby back, but let me tell you some his last performance click on him real quick Let me see what his last fight was forget what is um Who triangle city? Yeah, well, that's his TC is his yeah, but he won by triangles last fight. Yeah, he did That's his nickname triangle city Diego Brando That's when Brando got cut yeah Because then remember you're thinking I bet you're thinking the Tarveris fight where his back and forth remember that that was a K-O'd him in the third round fight of the night and then it was yeah It was the Diego Brando fight. That's what it is and Brando said you know what man? I'm gonna go strip club with a gun I'm gonna see how this works out and then UFC said hey, man, you're not John Jones. We're gonna have to let you go Yeah, plus you can't go to a strip club with a gun. That's a bad idea. Yeah, that's a bad idea

99:57Yeah, that's impulse control now. I'm remembering the fight was super super impressive Jiu-jitsu that's like we know or take a one. That's fun when they told me got that matchup I said this is the perfect fight for you because the big name It's a great style matchup for you and everyone less clay and it puts you more on the map. Yeah Yeah Clay, what's he where's he at now? Is he still training Jackson's or Jackson muscle farm? He's like in his RV and shit driving around nonstop. It's been a while since he said a good win I agree you gotta wonder how much longer he's gonna be doing this. I agree, man So this could be a make-or-break fight for him, but if he wins who knows it gets a resurgence dude at the cruise favor But three yeah, right? Yep. I'm just not excited for it. Why it's I don't know why are you out of your mind?

100:37I know not weird. Oh my god. Can you get me excited for maybe I'd love this fight I love this fight because first of all I think your rye favor is as close as you can get to being a world champion god damn He's he's on the edge like everybody he fights Like if he loses to like a world champion, it's like a whisper thin decision close Or or the one fight that he had with henneper out where he got cracked Yeah, and that was a weird stoppage man It's like he definitely got cracked and if henneper out cracks you you got fucking problems, but I thought the stoppage was a little weird but Anybody can get cracked like that anybody could lose like that. That's just a part of this game But I think like if you look at talent level and skill level I go back to like the Michael McDonald fight when he fucking just blitzkrieg dumb

101:22And smashed him and choked him Donald just came back recently came back recently and one looked fantastic It look good. Yeah, but that fight was kind of like you know what yeah, I'm gonna take a little break But when you're raya beat him, uh, it really cemented in my head. I was like look you gotta never sleep on this kid He's never that you can't man. He's one of the biggest straws, too He's super competitive. I think he's better. I think he keeps getting better I don't think he's a guy that's in a static state. No, I don't think he's like a veteran That's kind of like, you know, just putting in the work and phoning it in. I don't think so just gets in shape brings his new normal I don't think so I think he's always changing always Yes, I think he just keeps getting better. I think he comes into this fight gun guns blazing

102:02You know what I want what I want the fucking winner of this fights mighty mouse mighty mouse beg for it man Ooh Dude the california god If you're raya faber beats crews and that's a big F and then fights mighty mouse Good lord mighty mouse. Do you hate money? And fame let's do it dog and you're raya favor would for the first time in his career Just dwarf somebody the bigger guy. He'd be like cyborg on how much shorter is mighty mouse than quite a bit quite a bit he's a small guy, but he's a skill wise he makes up for it tremendously He's impossible to hit impossible. That's why he's he's the best Dominic Cruz and mighty mouse have fought before mm-hmm. That was at 135. Yeah, and Dominic won a decision Yeah, but Dominic is like got his own style if you look at his movement and his patterns Good luck finding anybody to replicate that his footwork and his movement and his patterns

102:57Are all designed to constantly keep you guessing you're constantly like being overrun with information If a guy stands in front of you the less data that's coming your way the more that you have to you can concentrate on what's at hand And focus on what you're trying to do smartest guy in the sport I think and Dominic never gives you that he doesn't give you that there's never a time where he's standing in front of you Just muay thai in you Yeah, you were telling me you and chale were talking to him and you were just blown away We were training with him and you was training me and chale like we're two white belts like Jesus Christ man He's a wizard. He's a wizard dude. You're sleeping on poor ear poor. No, I'm not but I'm not sleeping on that Bobby Green hasn't been in a big fight in a while too. I'm psyched to see him back

103:40Bobby Green's a lot of shit talking that he always does a lot of shit talking But Bobby Green when he's at his best is one of the best at 155 the diamond to man at 55 now They're like it. It fell off just a tad and then he's at 55 well Connor knocked him out He got knocked out in the first round by Connor and he just he started He's he struggled too hard to make that fucking weight. Yeah, and big dude. Those were during the IV days too, by the way, that's right Yeah, it's really interesting to see the difference in a lot of these guys bodies now that there's so much testing it really is it's Mmm Some of them. Yeah, some of them for sure. It's just that like when I would always think is if you wrestled and you did jujitsu and you boxed and you You'd come out looking very very muscular when you look at guys back You know five years ago, and you look at guys now

104:29There is a difference like like if anything they look they get kind of skinnier They yeah Well, you realize if you can't here's a big one EPO if you can't use EPO you got to lose body mass You just have to it is yeah for sure. It's a big part of Endurance oxygen that's what that Melodium whatever that stuff was that boxer got caught from it mirrors that effect Russians are balls deep and I guess yeah, how about oh, oh, too. That's what the guy who fought on Yeah, bagotino He's a hundred and twenty you read about the Sochi Olympics and how They've uncovered that there's they don't know how they got into those bottles that they make in Switzerland They're like tamper for proof, but however they did it They're drawing this whole thing where every like they think a hundred athletes in the Olympics were cheating on the Russian on the Russian side

105:15And the information came from the Russian guy who ran the lab and the other two guys that he worked with mysteriously died So this guy exiled himself to Los Angeles He ran the entire lab and now he's coming clean saying well Our intelligence operatives were were basically involved in getting clean samples to Wada Etc. Why is he snitching and it's basically out of us because because his two colleagues were killed Were killed because they had they knew things so he went so just move to LA and shut your mouth That's what he did No, you can't get you you can't shut your mouth He can't because he had to prove he was I'll still get him. Yeah, and he had to prove that he was a he was his life was in danger Yeah, you don't think they get you if you shut your mouth and you move to LA. Oh, you made it at your at home base You touch base they kill that guy in DC the movies

106:08Russian intelligence can find you who they kill in DC this guy I found he was a found dead with blunt force trauma to the head. I wonder how that happened Yeah, but here's the thing the autopsy like they didn't do an autopsy for a long time And initially they the cause of death was ruled as like a heart attack and then they found blunt force trauma on his head How do you miss that? Yeah, fine That's because it's a spooky story. Yeah ex-aid to Putin died of blunt force trauma At DC hotel medical examiner says but like look when they found him and look when they they actually made the autopsy claim I think it was like quite a bit of time. Yes Died from blunt force trauma. He got kettlebell in the fucking head. That's what they did Some Russian fucking kettlebell. They tied him up They tied him up and then just did fucking swings right at his head. Can you imagine

107:00Someone killed you with a kettlebell just be tied up by some Russian thugs and fuck brother Look at that. It said family members told Russian news media in November that they thought Leslin had suffered a heart attack That's when they were they put that down in November So when was this article where they decided that this is really recently it's March Yeah Yeah, see so there's all those months that went by before it was announced that he was killed You know now they've been caught just blatantly cheating on In the Olympics. Yeah, but this is a guy that says this I don't know that there's been I've read the article I don't know that there's been definitive proof that everything he's saying is true He hasn't exaggerated. Well, the New York Times ran two articles on their front page, right? If the New York Times gonna do that they've checked their sources

107:48Yeah, but it's not a matter of checking sources like what is the physical what's the physical evidence that you have the physical You know I'm saying like they're very well could be a story there that the New York Times must run and I'm sure that they check their sources But is there anything that they can hold up and say this needs to be examined because this is proof positive? No, it'd be anywhere if they did see I don't I don't see it. Yes. I don't think it's there yet, but Look, it's a hundred percent going on I don't is anyone surprised no of course not Well, Novitski told me straight up that they're figuring out a way to move around these things sure and that while he's doing this He's like I always know and Novitski is Jeff Novitski Who's the guy who caught Lance Armstrong this guy works for the UFC now?

108:31He's for people listening okay the golden snitch. Yeah, he's he's a guy that catches guys doing everything and you know They're on top of the latest and the greatest dollars and he's yeah And for government's money and the latest that I know he doesn't want to admit that our money He wants to pretend he wants to pretend it was way less than that He was giving me like a figure on the show and that's how that's why Lance Armstrong came on the show Because what he's not counting is like salaries and flights and all this stuff What they're counting is like the amount of money they actually had to spend like on vouchers So that's so that's the government so that's the federal government with unlimited resources spending thirty two million dollars on a cyclist He's still going anyone still going after him by the way

109:10Still going after him they're going after him now for a hundred million dollars still because He said he defrauded the government of how much they paid him because he Raced for the post office You raise your tax dollars, but here's the thing if you race for the post office the post office is the government So they charge you for three times what you took so if you took thirty three They're charging for a million It's called tyranny for riding a bike. Yeah, thirty three they go after him for a hundred write a letter Write a letter to the government. See what happens is Novitski the ultimate golden snitch? No, why say golden snitch was a golden because he's at another level just but he's not a snitch He's an investigator. Yeah, he's not like a guy who's involved a snitch would be Victor Conte Victor Conte is a snitch

109:50He got caught rattle on him. But he didn't even rat on people when he got caught you can't even call him a snitch You call him a post-operative because he like- Victor Conte? He used to do it. We call them rats where I come from. But he's see here's the thing He used to be involved in it. He's not involved in it anymore. Now. He's going after people who are involved in it So what is that? That's a bitch. That's like an informer. Yeah, but can I ask you a question? Did they ever actually- That's not a snitch. Jamie says yes It'd kind of be a snitch because he's revealing all this backstory Right, but he could be reformed and since he primarily concentrates on combat sports athletes You could see him as a and he's helping people like he's keeping people from cheating Conte or- Yeah, Conte Could you see it that way? Sure, but he benefited the reason why he has a name

110:36The reason why he got so big is because he was helping so many big-name athletes, right and then now he's against it But should that can't be my fact that he's helping all those big-name athletes could should that disclude him from being able to Realize the error of his ways and make an attempt to try to clean up the sport. Is that possible? That's possible. It's possible right possible. That's how I'd hope to look at it. Did they ever find physical evidence physical evidence a test that that showed that Lance Armstrong actually cheated No, that's never done. No So 500 tests or whatever it was whatever it was never he passed all of them thirty two million dollars later But finally he admits that he used performance enhancing drugs to Oprah Yeah, but It's very interesting to me. What do you think the benefit of that was and I do think that there's a benefit to going after people who are cheating

111:26Who are trying to change the playing field. I know everybody does a bike. I know everybody does but it's an it's a It's a difficult thing because well first of all, it's not an American game. You're in another country So you're you're giving someone some sort of You're you're investigating them being involved in something. It's not even taking place on American soil. So that's the dubious right there, right? Second of all you are saying as the post office you're suing this guy for all the money that he made while he was cheating and using drugs If you don't know that cyclists are cheating what the fuck are you doing in the cyclist business? Because I know I'm a comedian living in LA and I know they're all cheating exactly But I know how much did he do for the US postal office and also a lot and we didn't give a fuck about cycling to Lance Armstrong

112:11Start kicking ass correct and how much money did you raise for all this cancer awareness a lot? How many people were in those yellow wristbands, but but that doesn't Discute that here's the issue. This is where he fucked up He sued a bunch of people that were telling the truth and he uses money that that's where he fucked up That's that's where he's a bad guy in that part, but also in his sport you have to go down to 15th place They were all doing it's a level playing field, right? So it was about Everybody was ratting on everybody they were they got caught they were giving people up There was a lot of that going on and Lance Armstrong start suing people when they were giving up him That is where people have an issue with it Me too and with his mind people touching himself, right? Yeah, exactly and I'm and I'm I can see both sides but I'm with Lance Armstrong like dude, you're snitch on me

112:55I gotta protect myself too. Exactly. I can see that as well You guys started first snitching on me right and the snitching if if we're boys the snitching is worse than the lawsuit by far by far Especially if we're a team. Yes, we represent America, but some of those guys weren't his boys anymore. They didn't like him anymore So I snitch very few people like I'm with you get anything out of it. I'm with you I don't know the word A lot of people didn't like in Lance Armstrong They had to dislike the same reason why they don't like fucking Michael Jordan. Let me tell you something Lance Armstrong was on the podcast. He wanted to know what number the podcast had gotten up to What's it up to is it up number one yet because it was like number two in the country tell me when hits number one I'm gonna hit number one in the country gotta let him know That's the only way he can relate

113:36He wants he wants to know has he getting more than other people's downloads like he's he goes I'm real quick He's open about he laughs about it. Yeah, he's like I'm fucking competitive like, you know me I'm competitive like he's compete wants to he wanted to have the number one podcast of all time I don't think that way That's why you're not Lance Armstrong bitch. Yeah, so I just wrestled in high school Hey, I did jiu-jitsu with Hensel Gracie. I got my hey You got your what hey, I thought you said yeah, you purple belt. No, I never said that wait a minute never once Why did you see we have to go back to the I didn't want to touch on I never said that ever in my life Did he say he has purple though? No, I've never said that I'm so confused. I don't know. What do you mean? You don't know? I don't lie. Wait a minute. I don't lie

114:15There's lies and then there are lies that anybody who said they're a purple belt is a liar I'm a liar, but I'm not a liar. You know what I mean? You definitely didn't say your purple belt. No, I never said I was a purple Accidentally once a little bit drunk. I never even said I tapped a purple belt a little drunk probably did once All I'm saying be is the reason why he's Lance Armstrong because he's competitive at everything Anyone who's an ultra winner you could just said I wish I was like that. I'm not I just I know why would you wish you were like that? You don't want to be like you are is awesome. I want to be a cyclist. No, dude What you want to be is what you are is a guy who always wants to be something other than you are exactly And that's part of the fun being around Brian Callen I wish it was that guy And then you go into this romanticized version with that guy is yes

114:59Meanwhile that guy lives living in Austin people throwing eggs at his house Yeah, I can't go social media It's sort of relaxing a bit now But I mean look dude when when the storm comes your way like when you get in trouble for something along those lines the storm of being a National disgrace and you know and someone who everyone's angry at and there's so much going on with the lawsuits And yeah, and he's still involved in lawsuit with the post office like the storm of pressure and stress is probably Overwhelming and never-ending but also gives everyone now a voice on social media Who's never done shit in their lives to fucking contribute and try and shit on Lance Armstrong one of the greatest athletes of all time? Oh fuck yeah, I'm gonna fuck with this guy now. Yeah, oh you post this a picture of your kids at Christmas. Yeah. Oh fuck these kids

115:45Where's their steroids that yeah, man? I hope you feel better about yourself. Yeah, he's still killing it. He's still living in a mansion Yeah, I mean, it's just part of the program so it comes to the program and I don't think he's a bad guy No, it was amazing talking to him great podcast. I listen to it. He's my buddy now. We text each other It's bizarre as fuck awesome. I get a text every now and then from Lance Armstrong Like when Dan Bilzerian when Dan Bilzerian was doing that bet, you know, he's doing a bet where he wrote a bike to Las Vegas I didn't see it. Yeah, well he I don't know if he's what a character talked about it publicly I don't know if he's talked about the fact that he did it Anyway, he Lance Armstrong texted me. He's like, you know, Dan Bilzerian hook us up

116:23I want to help him so fucking Lance Armstrong helps Dan Bilzerian train for this thing where he's got a ride to Vegas in 30 hours He's like he could totally do it. It's totally doable. Damn. How did Phil Zarian make his money? That's a good question. I don't know. I think his parents had money That's what they think cuz he and this is going what I know from the internet is they're saying I love I do that with the air quotes internet Like it doesn't exist Underworld He uh He was playing that he has all this money all this stuff from being one of these top poker players in the world But it came out that he comes from a lot of money Controversy gross He puts on this lifestyle like you know like shooting guns with curls This baller and blah blah blah Was drafting against the rules? He wasn't allowed to draft? That's why I did most of the trip I think is behind a van like that Oh, where someone drove the van?

117:11Well his beard is a major air drag Yeah Well, that's a big deal I know I mean I don't know if it wasn't within the rules Maybe you should have set the rules before they made that bet Especially if the wind is headed his face if the the hashtag y'all got hustle if the women is headed towards his face But you know what if they didn't put that in the rules They fucked up because Bill Zarian is a smart bitch and look what he's got to the vans back doors are open So they could have a fan blowing on him with like misters and shit. He's a pimp How do you not love that guy every picture he takes got a hundred whores with him? He doesn't I say or I say that with all love all love I should say he has a hundred beautiful women with him because that's what he does That's part of his image Yeah, you know, it's all persona They're like Charlie's angels. It's a lot of work. I don't know

117:55Yeah, actually it is worth kind of like dilating on a little bit like I don't know. It's just not that inspiring to me and I'm just not what's going on over there What are you doing? I'm getting I'm getting What's going on with your legs? I can tell you right now I can tell you right now what Brian's trying to do is say that he's not a fan of this guy He's trying to be very PC because you never fucking draw the line with anything. I just don't I just don't like this culture that is Essentially celebrating itself. I just don't that's not a guy to hang out with when you're that happy with yourself And you think hey, you know I was gonna tell my business manager saying spending 125 K on a private jet was a bad idea I disagree with this naked girl. All right, I'm sure I'd love hanging out with them, but it's just not that inspiring to me

118:37Okay, but you have to realize that people doing this are akin in a lot of ways to Gangsta rappers like what they're doing is putting out an image that image becomes popular that popular image equates to millions and millions of followers on Instagram because he's manipulated the media to all of it But he can use that to promote himself in all sorts of different ways and then he becomes a business promote himself Exactly But that's what you do when you're promoting shows what I'm saying is like a person promotes himself on Instagram What's a girls got yoga pants and a nice big butt? Yeah, and she makes money all of a sudden doing squats Yeah, not mad at me. I mean there's a lot of those people, but there's a difference Yeah, look at that 17 million What's the difference between a girl sticking her butt out or him? He's got 17 million. There's no difference

119:20You just say it's not inspiring. Yeah, I'm saying that at least like don't you think it's a little bit Maybe like the difference between you see a body that's built for something like if you look at joe shillings body It's built for a purpose and then you see somebody who's a bodybuilder all due respect to bodybuilders is a hard thing to do Click on a girl's butt. Yeah, please It's just not that cool. I don't know This has 343,000 likes Brian You're saying he doesn't have a he doesn't have skills You're saying he doesn't possess a skill? His skill is self-promotion, but it ends there So it's a self-contained thing But you say that but how do you know because he's also a professional poker player? Yeah, he makes millions of dollars gambling. Yeah, so they say so they say that's debatable is it debatable? Yes Well, didn't he win this fucking debate? He won this million-dollar bet to go to Vegas?

120:01I know he did it. I mean he worked hard. He worked hard for five weeks to do that It's not like an empty guy with no character. It might be just a don't know him. I don't know what I'm saying He might be a wild fun-seeking motherfucker. That's actually pulling it off a marketing genius If you were a guy didn't have any set of skills and all sudden by hook or by crook or by luck or by fuck you find yourself with a hundred million dollars I'm running with it. Wouldn't you want to live like this? No, exactly You don't have any kids you got a mansion on top of the hill No, I wouldn't I try to make a difference Brian You hang out with people that are way more shallow No, I don't shut the fuck up. No, I don't. No, I don't I do not sir You are wrong. Hold on stop for a second and just consider this

120:41I want to attack you. Did we not talk about someone before this show that you used to hang out with all the time that is equally as fucked up as that guy? I'm trying to think of who Whatever do you mean right before this show? Yeah That's too complicated. Listen, no the answer is I don't I don't know the guy. Yeah, I've met him. He seems nice I know I know I'm just saying Brian likes that guy because he has skills I don't think he has to be if you give me a hundred million dollars. Listen, you give me a hundred million dollars You know what I'm gonna do the responsibility don't say I'm not saying I'm gonna try to make a difference in the world And you trying to do that now I am at least at least with the What are you doing? Well, I'm trying to be as original as I can be You're not gonna open up Brian. You're doing that because you enjoy it because you're entertaining people

121:24Okay, you're not you're not going out seeking to make a difference in the world You're going out having a good time doing a good thing making it good doing a good act That's exactly right, but I also do try to make a difference in the world in my own way charity wise and things like that I do I spend money on charity. I spend money trying to make the world better You know give me a hundred million dollars. You're not a guy Let's be honest. You're not a guy who's like really promoting charities a lot and talking about it a lot and you know giving money to know But at least what I'm trying to do is what I'm trying to do is go Let's say this is just stand up to friends here Let's just take stand up. Let's take stand up So stand up for me. I'm trying to for me to stand up at least what I'm trying to do in my own mind is surprise myself and come up with

122:04You know see what I'm made of and you're entertaining people doing your thing. Yeah, right? It's not your way of giving. This is not a criticism of your stand-up. I think you're hilarious. You know, I love you Yeah, I think you're awesome What I'm saying is that I think there's a difference between the skill of stand-up for example and coming up with a body of work and taking all that money and And shooting guns and being on a private jet and having chicks around here's the problem We know he's not giving the charity though. Listen man, you don't know that and here's the other he might be I don't know It might not be who knows but what I'm seeing is a show. It's a very short snippet show What do you just saw there when he's walking by that girl's butt and he's got a machine? I was in look not only you in like all but here's the thing

122:43Obviously this is staged. This is a fucking show there is a camera shot. Yeah, there's a camera behind him He's moving in slow-mo. He's got a bandolier on dude. Do you not see how ridiculous? Yeah, I do stand up like that Brian listen, let's just open-minded you're watching the video He's in a dune buggy with all these hot chicks. Do you think this is really happening that they just get Candace clandestine, you know, just on Noticed video of him driving around this dune buggy with all these hot chicks. He hired someone Right look at this is walking in slow motion with his bandolier. Yeah, the girls are laughing those hoes are all Rented this is a goddamn show show I'm with you. All I'm saying is even if you had a hundred million dollars, you're not becoming mother Teresa. No one here is

123:28No, I'm not but I'm just saying don't pretend that I'm not you. I'm not I'm just not all I said was I don't find it that inspiring No one says it is. Yeah, we're not inspired We're not saying Jesus Christ Dan Bilzerian makes me want to go give money to charity. No, I'm just saying why why even be upset? I'm not upset I'm not saying that it was all that sucking your teeth and crossing your legs I like being dramatic But but first of all I'm being fired by him. I was being theatrical. I know that's what we're We're calling you out on but hold on hold on you have this there is Criteria for how to live your life Yeah, there's criteria how to live your life and I think if you spend a hundred and twenty five million thousand dollars on whatever on looking great and celebrating yourself I just think it kind of it's just not really yeah

124:18It's but it's a it's a brilliant marketing plan like I get that it might not be your thing It doesn't have to be your thing. It's exactly what I do with my my point is like to me It's not offensive at all It's no more offensive than the Kardashians the Kardashians don't offend me. I mean I can make fun of it all day long But I'm not offended by what they're doing. I don't think anything's wrong with it. I do it's self-celebration And I find that very I don't know it's not my favorite thing. Yeah, but it doesn't bother me saying I think this guy is funny I think this this Instagram what I'm taking out of this to me is amusement and humor This is what I'm getting I see it as a persona like it's a it's a it's a gimmick Look at that picture on the couch like to me. This is an exaggeration of all the stereotypes of some super rich

125:04Guy that doesn't exist. Hey, me got these girls hanging around in their underwear. They're all in lingerie What if this is his life though? It's just random pictures. Yeah, I think it is would that be listen it is I mean just think about it It is his life probably gets old after he's taking these photos with this girls these girls, and I'm sure Some of them have sex with them. Yeah, I hope 100% I mean otherwise got to do it wrong. He's got real like legitimately has unbelievable amounts of money like He's got a house is that though in the Hollywood Hills. How weird is that these girls are around? How weird is that is it weird? I mean it's weird these girls around just because you have money, but you know it who cares? I wouldn't care if I was I would Here's the thing good-looking. He's not a bad looking manly dude. He's not gonna be in front of GQ

125:52Yeah, he's not bad. I mean here's the thing like remember we were talking about the salt no Brunei. Yeah, who hires these girls and he pays them like A thousands of dollars a day to hang out at his house and he fucks them occasionally He decides who he wants to fuck he has like a whole disco built into one of his palaces He's a prince and he comes down You know he sashays through the fucking room naked does whatever the fuck awesome. Yeah He's like Aladdin picks the girls who wants to bang and then and brings up to his room But all of them are getting ungodly amounts of money and jewelry sure diamonds and all the shit So we look at that guy. We don't have a problem with it Well, I don't I never said I didn't have a problem Do you have a problem with it? It's not that I don't have a problem with that gold Royals Royce son It's fucking rose Royce son Bitches and gold Royals Royces

126:35He has like a hundred Ferraris Yeah, yeah, yeah Look at him. Bam bitch killing the game Yeah, but killing killing what game like killing these expressions killing the golden genie game the life game He's killing the real Aladdin Gold in outfit on me and excess Oh, Brian and vanity. Oh, Brian It is right, but yeah, of course. Yeah, but that's the you're like you're doing duh like duh Duds gluttony, but it's hilarious He might be doing some shit for his people though, too, be yeah, how about not you might He might Maybe he might be we don't know take it easy. We don't know that's the thing. That's his fleet of cars. That's one of them That's his value system. It's okay. Oh, Brian, right Right You're acting like come down to a value system I'm with you. You're acting like your mother Teresa I'm not Like you're doing all this charity shit I'm not No, you gotta What I'm coming down to the fact is that in it

127:23We we do live in a culture that somehow Celebrates that and I just find it kind of boring It is it is but but for a person you don't like a Kardashian world exactly you don't have to but you don't have to celebrate it to enjoy it like look it is what it is It's part of the folly of humanity. Yes I think it's I think it's amusing you're taking a sense of humor and you should be you should take a humorous approach to it And I bet you that guy Dan Bilzerian is probably actually a funny guy and a silly goose. I would imagine when I met him He was very nice. He don't know that well. He doesn't know that well. I don't give a shit What yeah, but I was using him as an expression Me well This concerns me What's matter with the world? He's an expression of kind of what this culture has to offer Whenever you make a point and I see you're wearing boots and these are like Italian

128:10These are zip up leather zip up boots Dude, I see that and you need cross your legs and that's a really elegant way that I can't even do You can't do that. I know you can't cross you I got a flexible head It's that fat dick you got a fat dick But I also have fat legs It ain't happening. I take my genitals I got skinny jeans on it ain't happening. I take my genitals down in my By the way, I see you're wearing the fucking stretchy jeans they were wearing them when you were doing That's all I wear in the kid. That's all I wear in the kid. That's all I wear in the way. Are you wearing them now? These are my 5-4 jeans You gotta throw those out I wear the barbell I wear the barbell jeans or my my 5-4's 5-4's these are the stretchy jeans. That's what I will kick in Oh, they stretch too? Yes, sir. Why do you guys need stretchy jeans? Cause I feel so good Cause I got huge legs I got huge legs

128:52Where's some fucking joggers? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I'm telling you, man Don't send me jeans, Joe These jeans? Don't send me jeans Dude, these jeans are like wearing sweatpants Yeah, bro We both have blowout We have blowout asses and big thighs You do, man I know there's some people now that sell They call them like the brand of stretchy They're calling them like Rogan jeans And not that they're I know there's already a company called Rogan jeans Make them Right? There's already a company called Rogan jeans that somebody made But this is like a type Like some people are selling stretchy ones I mean I think stretchy is like the new thing Cause I talk about them so often I love them Well, yours is stretchy too I swear to god Oh, so what are you talking about? It's all I wear now I have But you have them So what are you talking about? Every company has them

129:27They're stretchy jeans if you go to the store These are skinny, stretchy, stretchy jeans I can do whatever the fuck they want They've got Spamix in them And it's all I wear now That's all anybody should wear Those barbell jeans are awesome Dude, regular canvas jeans Like Levi's Why don't I wear a potato sack around your dick? It's stupid Sacks all fucking scratchy and itchy Like hey I won't tell you that's gonna hug my fucking legs Well, I used to Show off that room I used to have to wear Lucky Brand jeans Like there's a certain Cause Lucky Brand jeans is a thicker cut There's like a few different like companies That'll make like a thicker cut That'll fit my troll-like legs Well, you got a small waist but big thighs Yeah, and it's my upper thighs are the highest That's like where it's way thicker It's all kicking stuff When you do it like as a child Like you've developed in that way One of the highlights of my life

130:10And I'm a skinny guy The highlights of my life Was when I was at John Varvato's Trying on impossibly expensive jeans And couldn't fit my calves or my upper thighs They were just too tight You were so happy I looked at the guy in Malibu Your calves? Your upper thighs? I got huge calves I got the biggest calves Well, they're big for the rest of your body You said the biggest in the world? But if you were a bodybuilder I'd be stuffing them filled with oil Will Sasso's calves are ridiculous They don't even look real Bull hearts, bull hearts He's got bull hearts Straight up Yeah, it's more like a moose heart That would be a big I got a moose heart in my fridge Straight up And it looks just like his calf Yeah He's got a couple moose hearts Stuffed into his legs But He's a gorilla of a dude When Oh Like he's one of those guys Where you're like Boy, I'm glad he's like jolly Oh Cause if he just started

130:54Just running through a room full of people We're all fucked Including me We're all fucked Dude He just bowled me over I pushed him into a room With a bunch of people Who recognized him And I pushed him into this room And I went I'm Will Sasso And everybody looked up And went Yay And he turned And he turned And I tried to hold the door And he pushed the door And sent me into the street He's a He's 330 He's a fucking giant He makes me laugh hard Oh, he's the funniest guy Will Sasso You should have him on this podcast He's To me Him and Zach Galifianakis Funniest people in the world Just off the cuff Didn't he do your podcast recently And bum you out? Wasn't it like No, he was bummed Cause he didn't feel well He was sick as fuck But he The first thing he said is He goes If you're a homeless person I don't know why these guys Don't grab a seagull Kick it into the ocean Break its wing And fucking eat it right there They're like

131:43Alright, this is gonna get weird He's fucking He came out He was just sick He's like on a bunch of antibiotics Will Will is fucking hilarious Will is Jaw-droppingly funny Where did we hang out with him last? Was it in Vancouver? After UFC? He's Canadian I feel like it was at the comedy store Wasn't it? Or in Irving? No We went to dinner with him At a restaurant Yes In Canada somewhere Yes Was it Toronto? Maybe it was Toronto No, no Where did we do a gig together? Was it Vancouver? Yeah Motherfuckers like Tom Cruise In Canada Was it Toronto? Yeah So much fun Toronto Good dude Steve over there This? No, no The little bottle, brother Dude, I still am thinking about the show Joe let me do 50 minutes at the Chicago Theater In front of 3,500 people 50 That was pretty cool, man That's pretty cool That's pretty awesome We had a good time It's funny how a giant crowd like that Though in some ways Is so different than like an intimate crowd Yeah

132:36Where it's like Timing's different Yeah Yeah The laughter kind of rolls And you gotta wait Whereas You're not aware of your effect With a huge crowd like that In the same way as you're aware of your effect With 200 people Have you ever sat You know what's a really good thing to do Is sit in the audience When someone's on stage like that Have you ever get a chance Like if you I went to see Louis Black I was working the night after he was At a theater in New Jersey And me and Diaz Went across the street To the theater And you know We sat down in the audience We actually got like seats In a nice spot But it was a nice spot Like in the middle Towards the back And I was amazed At how difficult it is To understand Oh really? What he's saying Once the laughter rolls Oh Because when you're on stage When you're on stage You hear your mic You have monitors That are projecting towards you And you're saying things And the punchline hits

133:30And then the people laugh You have to be real careful What you're saying While people are laughing Because they'll miss it Because it's different Than a comedy club In a comedy club You can just hammer over it Yes Like there's 200 people in there You say something that's funny They're laughing And you can add a tag Yes In the middle of it And it makes it even funny Like Diaz Joey Diaz is the master of that He's just like In the middle of people laughing He'll slam you with something else And then slam you with something else But in a theater That's like 3000 plus people You have to wait Because When I was sitting in the audience It occurred to me I was like Oh When people are laughing around you It's like people yelling at you Like you can't hear Right right right What's up there And the speakers Way the fuck over there It's so interesting to me Like you Guess who's doing Guess who's doing Really well With his 10 minutes

134:15We do our live show I make him get up there I'm like You're going to do stand up Dude 900 people Chicago had him dying For 10 minutes I was like I looked at his brother I go Your brother's doing stand up He's done this maybe 10 times And he's fucking killing it And adding shit In the middle of the act Like adding shit I hadn't seen Like he's playing with the crowd And reacting And then adding something else I was like This is fucking beautiful man Well it's totally different Than doing this Like this without a crowd Completely different Oh yeah Completely different But you're always funny Doing this Just remember what you said And repeat it Yeah That's all I do I tell a story Like I have different stories I'm just telling stories And I add stuff to it But going back to your point About the theater You know I'm brand new at this So I thought everything Was the same And Brian and I Went to do the show It was like 700 people sold out

135:02But it was a Giant ballroom And Brian's like Now don't get discouraged Because you're not Going to be able to Hear it as well So I'd like You know Do some of my bits I could like Kind of hear him laughing But it was kind of You're not getting that And I'm like What the fuck is wrong With these people And then when we got To the back I was like Fuck them Brian He's like No man I told you Because I go based Off the crowd's reaction We'll get off stage I'm like Dude That was a sick show Or dude That sucked And he's like No I'm telling you You're not going to be able To gauge it off this Because we've been In small comedy places Where I'm like Holy shit I'm like fucking Joe Rogan up in this bitch You know And then there's other ones Where I'm like What the fuck is going on Cobbs is kind of interesting Because Cobbs is like 400 something And the ceiling's Rather high Because it has a balcony So like the old Cobbs was crazy fun

135:49The old Cobbs was like I want to say Like 150 people max It was probably Less than that It was really small And it was tight And I used to do it A lot of people Like Don Marrero Used to do it And take a loss He could get more money Other places But he would do Cobbs Just because it was So enjoyable That's cool man Everywhere we go You know I have all the famous People on the walls I always take pictures I show you pictures I'll like send you pictures I'm like look who's here Yeah bitch Big time comedian You know it's like Yeah quit sending me pictures I'm always like Look at my boy Like you're new to the game I'm thinking like Selfies with you Like what the fuck You're doing It's funny It doesn't bother me I think it's funny I'm not going Yeah I know where you're at bitch And then we had a manager go You know you're at the Wilbur man This is months ago He goes You know just let you know Where you guys are at

136:34So Rogan sold out four times And I was like Why the fuck are you Yeah okay cool When Chris Rock sold out Madison Square Garden What's your fucking point What the fuck is the point What are you trying to hurt my feelings Who's saying this to you It's Joe for this guy Who deals with Who deal with the Wilbur Like it's the fucking It's a giant theater man I'm very aware of what Rogan Why are you even bringing that up I'm like And LeBron James Dunks the basketball Better than me What's your fucking point Listen bitch I've done stand up 34 times That's it Yeah I wish 34 How many times have you done it Only at live shows How many live shows Have you guys done All together Probably 10 10 15 That's it No way Guess who's going to be doing Stand up at the Wilbur This Friday In Boston That guy right there Go on up It's going to be I don't know We're selling a lot of tickets The Wilbur is one of the best theaters To do stand up in

137:19Because it's a three tier And they're really It's shallow Wow Meaning the people are right on top of you So even though there's more than a thousand people in the room It feels way more intimate It seems like a bunch of 300 seaters stacked on top of each other It seems like the same I can't wait You get tickets available at tfatk.com You get a feeling like a 300 seat theater But a roar of a thousand people I can't wait It's dope Because then we're in New York too And doing our bit in New York would be crazy man Well I took Tony Hinchcoop with me to Boston And now he's going to go back and headline that He's going to do One night at the Wilbur in October There it is right there See how it's like That place is sick Yeah It's beautiful And it's been around forever That's the Wilbur right there? Mm-hmm Fuck That's it But that's a bird's eye view You know it's a distorted view See how the lens is Yeah That's going to be great

138:11My favorite so far has been the Vic in Chicago The Vic Theater That's what it's called right? The Vic? I love the Vic Yeah I think it was a Vic right? I think the Vic Chicago was 900 people It's like an older theater I'm doing some big ass place in Chicago in July Chicago I love Chicago Fuck your big I'm doing Where's the Chicago Bulls play? I'm selling that bitch up I'm doing the Civic Opera House Damn I'm doing an opera house I'm going to sing Damn right you are Just start it off like that Maybe I should have someone I'd hire someone To sing some opera That'd be sick Just one song Can you name one opera song? Who's the blind guy? No but Jim Jefferies Does opera He used to be an opera singer What? Yeah No Yes The last guy I would have thought Put that photo up That's a really good photo God damn That's sick Which Wait a minute This is the Civic Opera House? Dude you're doing that You're going to fill it up too It's all gold

139:09Look at that It's like that prince's room Dude That's so sick That'd be awesome That's dope Hell yeah That's the prince of Benai Sold in the Benai's house That's his room Just full of whores That's exactly the same That's the same design On his underwear On his me undies Come on you know that dude Has gold underwear right? 100% Why wouldn't you? I would You ran up ideas I'm saying it right now I want some If anyone has 24k gold underwear Send them I have camo underwear Come on don't be like Damn those are you Me too Usually Hide them pee pee stains I'm a motherfucker Yeah there you go I got Those are me undies Fuck yeah That's all I wear Bet you're a sweet ass That's all I wear Me too They're the best underwear in the world Even if they fucking drop me as a sponsor I'll tell you Wear those goddamn underwear They're fucking comfortable as shit You can't have camo on the outside And white on the inside though It's the old camo

139:55Is that what you have? I wear me undies That's what they sent me I said get the shit on my face That's what they're trying to 5-4 Pretty much all the time They want you to see the damage You're doing to your underwear With your farts I know Hey man Hey man Let's go camo on camo Make a jungle camo at that Don't send that sand camo We do reads for me undies And he's like Me undies No more light underwear please I'm dead serious I want dark underwear please Well they sent me some cool light ones too though With some interesting designs Like a cool print Yeah Some prints on them All artsy and shit They're dope No doll What I love about that company And all these companies That are emerging on the internet Don't have like an actual store They're just selling things online Like they figured out Like you don't need a place Who the fuck wants to go somewhere 100% How easy is it to just order something Have it sent to you

140:38And then you go Like how much of a difference Is like getting things in the mail these days As opposed to going to stores Like how much of an impact Has that had on actual retail stores It's brilliant Is there anything better Than get a package at home It's cheaper Like this 544club.com Whatever thing We literally It's like 60 bucks For like legit Like everything I'm wearing Is from that I wear it Have you done Club W Great wine Great wine Way cheaper 13 bucks Yeah You know For really good wine So you're right man They cut out the Everything we do Every one of our sponsors I actually use the products Because they're good Me too Me too I love that I haven't made a website yet With Squarespace But I want to But the other things Like Dollar Shave Club I don't buy razors anymore Did you ever use that That butter shit That Carver's butter Oh my god Carver's butter It's so nice We're gonna have We're trying to get the guy

141:27Who started that company on Because he's really funny Who does all the commercials Oh does he Yeah That's him The guy in the commercials He was an improv guy Started a fucking company They're in Marina too Yeah we gotta get him On the podcast He's funny Well I just love this time It's funny Because it's really the same thing That's what's going on With podcasts You guys don't need Like any sort of You guys kind of have a company Though You kind of have Fox It's weird I mean not really We haven't Because again They don't tell you what to do But they tried Well they tried When we first started They've been great They've actually been so good That's nice But they also stay out of our way Yeah They kind of have to They know if they're like Hey don't do that I'm like what See ya Do what That's the thing Is like you guys have An advantageous position In the relationship It's not like a regular show Where they could fire you from it Yeah

142:14If they fire you You will have Zero impact Zero It actually helped us Because I'll just tell everyone What went down And I will tell all the Fox dirt And I will blast pictures Oh someone's a snitch I'm a snitch I'm the Novikiski Fucking I've always been a snitch Oh no Yeah I'm that golden snitch The truth comes out The truth comes out Golden snitch But they're actually They're not long before Someone fucking makes a photoshop Of you in the Salt and Brunet's outfit That just says golden snitch The golden snitch That photoshopped Steve guy Is gonna be on that man It's happening As we're going The golden snitch That guy is sweating Right now And fucking putting it all together No more Keto Kid Just the golden snitch Golden snitch That fucking Salt and Brunet picture Was the perfect picture for you Just put your head On his little body His little body Oh my god The golden snitch He is a little snitch And they do it Like the same picture

143:08That they use For the golden child Like use the cover The same font And everything The golden snitch The Eddie Murphy movie So funny man I forgot about that movie Yeah me too Arsenio Hall Back in the day Fucking Arsenio Hall That was a good movie Back in the day That was when Eddie Murphy Was in his heyday Dude they tried Bringing Arsenio Hall Back His same show Where he goes Who who who 2016 Bitch get the fuck Out of here That didn't work Well it was also The real problem With that not working There was a bunch Of different problems They tried to do The same show The exact same He's even dressed the same Doing the same bits And shit And he looks the same He aged well Same haircut Sweater Doing some stand up He's a real nice guy Really nice guy I can't say a bad word About that guy ever Arsenio Hall Is a real nice guy Why doesn't Eddie Murphy Do stand up anymore I thought he was gonna Start trying to do it You know what man

143:53Eddie Murphy has that Tranny stuff That the transgender Prostitute stuff Hanging over his head I'm sure So he's afraid People will call him The show would be funny Dude when I was with Charlie people called Charlie out on it They were yelling Out to Charlie Have you seen Eddie's girl Yeah I'm sure Look Talk about the golden He's goddamn Eddie Murphy But here's the thing He did an awards show recently And he like went up And talked about Cosby And did material about Cosby And it was fucking great Wow It wasn't just great His timing was great It's amazing He's so talented His delivery was great Can we see it? Is it? Yeah yeah yeah It's online See Jamie will try to find it It's so good That it makes you go Whoa If this guy was doing stand up He would be fucking Murdering right now Do you think he just Doesn't care anymore? Just like So rich He's absolutely so rich And absolutely so busy And he likes doing movies And when he does movies

144:49He's in a lot of ways He's like sheltered From all these people That would fuck with him He hasn't done a movie In a while though For sure make Nutty Professor 4 I don't know What he's done in a while I haven't really been Paying attention But I mean The amount of money That Eddie Murphy's made From all those movies From Shrek As the donkey Yeah That's right Shrek's probably the last thing He made them a billion dollars It's like you know He looks like a sultan I mean there's animators And there's a lot of Storywriting Other people could have Done that too It's not like it was Impossible to do Without Eddie Murphy But what he has accomplished I mean financially Is probably staggering Insane So The Beverly Hills cops I could see him Not wanting to grind Right Not wanting to go out there When you live like The sultan of Brunei To bring it back Full circle I wonder if it does I don't know if it does Or like Dan Bilzerian

145:36I tell you what though I met him in Hawaii He was nice as fuck And he was Really cool Yeah He was real friendly Real nice Yeah there it is Hold on a second Go from the beginning Damn he's aged great Yeah give us some volume He really has Black people don't age really Do they Well he's in his 50s What happened What'd you do What's that Bill has one He said Bill has one Give his back No cause I know There was a big outcry From people They was trying to get Bill to give his trophies back You know you Up when they want you To give your trophies back He should do one show Where he just come out And just talk crazy now I would like to talk to Some of the people Who feel That I should give back My Chauvis Is that it? He's so good at I think he did more than that That was edited and censored A little bit Yeah obviously Damn look at all those Dave Chappelle Oh this is just a story piece Murphy makes Cosby jokes At award ceremony

146:52They didn't want to do The whole thing Anyway You guys can find it I'm sure What was the name of the award? It was from the Mark Twain awards From earlier this year I'm telling you man Just looking at that thing Right there When you're talking about The guy who hasn't done Stand up in forever And he just goes up there And murders it Like that And is in perfect form His timing's perfect He's a fucking fantastic stand up Such a talent huh? Amazing Unbelievable Dave Chappelle's making A crazy run too again now huh? I see him all the time I see you on your Instagram Yeah we hang out At the comedy store all the time He's your boy? He's always there Yeah he took me some Eyes wide shut party In the middle of Hollywood Hills What? He had to get in an elevator And go to the top of this hill What? Yeah it was Naomi Campbell Had this birthday party And so Dave's like Hey Joe You wanna go with me To this party? And I'm like dude I don't

147:38I don't like going to those parties I like avoiding celebrity things Like oh come on man You know I gotta be back here By midnight anyway And I go alright So we're smoking Crazy amounts of weed High as fuck And we get in my Porsche Go up to the top of this hill Get even more baked Go Get Get in a shuttle It takes you up to this dude's house And some dude Who has The sickest house At the top of the Hollywood hill It's just some Crazy Billionaire character Who has a sick house And then above his sick house He has a sick party house Tight move He has just a party house So you go to the top of this house And he has this Fucking insane view Of the city Where it looks like Blade Runner Yeah You know And he's got So just 180 degrees of windows His party house Is like a Like a flying saucer That just got stuck In the side of a building But the The whole outside edge Of the flying saucer Is all windows Wow So you're sitting

148:38And there's all seats Around the windows And then he has this big bar And he has I mean the guy's just Coz-loaded Scrooge McDuck And we have to take an elevator Like a A four person elevator An open air elevator That goes up the side of the hill And as we're going up the side of the hill Naomi Campbell's naked photo Is 40, 50 feet tall Jesus And I'm not kidding I'm not exaggerating Jesus It's this enormous Naked photo Of Naomi Campbell And then we get up to the top And it's like Fucking Demi Moore's there And I'm Saying hi to Lenny Kravitz I'm like This is so strange It's so hot Plus barbecued So high Barbecued So so high I shouldn't be out in public And up there With all these Fucking super rich people And I'm I'm like What's up Lenny Hey what's up man How you doing We're talking to Lenny Kravitz Like how bizarre is this Yeah Cool dude Yeah it seems really nice Yeah But it was all these I was talking to all these Musician dudes about MMA

149:31It was like I got cornered By all these musician dudes Started throwing Fighting Oh my god man Dude people get so excited Yeah They get so excited They want to start talking MMA They got a guy who knows Yeah meanwhile I'm like Anything to relax my anxiety Right now I'll tell you all the shit I know I'll break down Whatever the fuck you want Give me two fighters Go You want to know who's going to win How do people make that much money You want to know 2017 schedule Here was the weirdest part about it Like there was one point in the night Noemi Campbell was for a book that she has She has a book coming out Oh okay And for She's very nice too by the way Super nice and beautiful And I don't know Still a dime piece 100% I don't know how old she is She's got to be 40 right I would imagine I'd say older than that right Maybe Probably closer to 50 Yeah Really Yeah She's on the backside of 40 Cindy Crawford is 50 now I think she's 49

150:19I think she's a little older than that Cindy Crawford No she's She's 45 How old is Cindy Crawford? She's 45 I think she just turned 50 Ridiculously looking Ridiculously looking She is ridiculous So Noemi Campbell 45 Still fucking slamming hot Right So anyway She stops in the middle of this thing They have this They have these photos of her Her book is out And it's this exclusive book That costs like 1500 bucks or something Yeah Don't charge that much Really big High glossy The whole deal Yeah Don't do that And she just stops And they start taking photos of her And she just starts posing So no one talks No one's talking Everyone's just watching Because it's a Naomi Campbell party So it's almost like Michael Bolton gets out at his party and starts When a man Oh I'd love that Love the woman I'd take it myself Go boy But it's like that She's doing her thing Her craft She's posing Her craft That's how a supermodel does it Amazing Amazing

151:13Get it You know And there's just It was kind of a fascinating little party It was a good thing to dip my toe into And get the fuck out of there as quickly as possible And realize why you don't go to those Yeah Well it's just They're too famous They're too famous And what it is To me it's like Don't get that famous Yeah For sure back off Because you're going to get weird Yeah Well everybody gets weird They're weird people And they have to hang out with each other Because nobody else is going to understand You know And I was talking to Dave about that I go Do you like hanging out with celebrities Because they're the only people that understand what your life is like He's like Oh man But I'm not as famous as them I go Hit the brakes I go That's part of your problem Yep You don't understand how fucking famous you are You're one of the most famous comedians that's ever lived Yeah And one of the most famous celebrities in America

151:57Like if there's a 100 list of the most famous people in America Dave Chappelle Dave Chappelle's on that list 100% I'm not on that list I like to stay on the outskirts of that list I like to be in the suburbs of that list Oh I don't know Joe I don't like being on that list I think you're in that list I'm definitely not Hey You're the Dave Chappelle right now You're definitely closing in You're the Dave Chappelle right now my man You're closing in on it You ain't quitting I'm slowing down I'm slowing down Back away I'm thinking about moving to like Yosemite Would you do that bullshit Would you move out of LA You've always flirted with moving out of LA Oh yeah I would Absolutely Where would you live right now If I gave you one other alternative There's a few different possibilities Yeah I really like Colorado I've always liked Colorado Colorado is always going to be one of my best choices You've been there though

152:39I like the people I like the environment I like the vibe I like the stand-up community I like the comedy works And I love Wendy The owner of the comedy works That's the spot That's the spot where I could live I could live in Seattle I just couldn't deal with the winter I just think it's stupid I think it rains too much There's no need to do it Folks Folks It rains too much up there Your summers are of the gods And I get it That you have to Like it makes you appreciate one When you don't have the other But It's hard to know That all I could do Is get on a jet And I could be in LA And it's perfect Yeah The problem in LA right now Is that It's really good Like comedy wise It's never been better Like there's more clubs There's more comics There's more inspiration There's more fun Me and Stan Hope And Ron White Were hanging out At the comedy store The other night Drinking and laughing And having fun And I'm like Where else can this

153:31Take place It's like it's so rare That you'll go there And like a guy like Ron White Drops in to do 15 minutes You know I mean that's That's really what it is Yeah And on the list Do 15 minutes Burr comes by All these people All hanging Don't you think If you move to Denver Your podcast would suffer Because you're not going to have As many big guests Maybe I don't know You can always find out Who doesn't care You know I can always fly in Like once a week And do That would get tired Every week And fly someone in Well no No no Well I could definitely Fly someone there If they were willing to go I could look for like Local people But that would run dry Very fast in Denver Yeah There's no better spot Than LA to do Podcasts And stand up And stand up You can't find better But there's also The vast numbers Of human beings That live in this place Yeah Shit Look at the numbers We're Denver It's not the same as here But how many people Are moving there

154:27I wouldn't live in Denver It's insane Oh you'd live back I'd live in like Evergreen I like Evergreen I like Broomfield's nice Yeah Broomfield's nice But Evergreen's in the mountains Yeah That's what I like There's some views in Evergreen Or Boulder I like Boulder a lot The Boulder thing Is a one note thing Everybody's so liberal They're so left wing I like like a little mixture I like some Too soft in Boulder for me Soft in what way Just bitches Oh Just bitches I remember I went to school I lived there Just bitches How so How so There's just A there's no diversity It's just all white Rich white people Just everyone's rich Super liberal rich white people If you see a black guy He plays football Other than that Their lives They live in this Pleasantville This weird bubble community Weird bubble Yeah Weird But Super nice people Yeah they're nice Educated It's easy to be nice Super educated When you got plenty of food No threats right

155:20I'm going to snitch Somebody made it already Did you make it Jamie made it Jamie made it While working on the show Jamie you're a genius Incredible The golden snitch That might be a young shop Jamie please Text me that Immediately That must go On the Instagram page The golden snitch That's That's Ultimate Fighter's Shop face That's perfect I don't know man There's Those two spots Are big candidates Please don't leave LA Those two spots Well I'm thinking about Like spending time In more than one place Right You know The only thing that Holds me back Really I mean it's not Really holding me back But having a family Like you have to Take them into consideration When you make any move You can't be bouncing Them around Kids don't like that Stability son Yeah Kids don't like that So I grew up They're my turn to me Yeah But I'll tell you one thing When they turn 18 If they decide to go to College somewhere And move somewhere else I'm a ghost

156:16There's no way I'm going to be doing this In ten years There's no way I'm going to Because I don't think This city's sustainable I think this city Is like a game Of musical chairs And I think After a while You're like It's going to be Mexico City I've been to Mexico City I know what it's like It's overwhelming The amount of people Like the traffic jams Are insane Like you go through them And you're like How is this real Nobody gives a fuck About a red light Or a green light And when they want to merge They just have to Jut themselves out Into traffic Nobody lets you in And I remember sitting there Thinking there Watching this Going here's this Beautiful city This crazy ancient city In the mountains In Mexico Like 7,000 feet Above sea level You know With 20 plus million people Stuffed in it And like LA's not that far off And LA's growth From the time I moved here In 1994 To today In 2016 Is unbelievable 22 years later Property values

157:09Are so exciting I know But that's going to happen Here You think it's just Going to keep going Keep going What's going to happen People are going to Wise up And become awesome No They're going to keep They're going to keep Moving here Because this is where Show business is See hopefully my dad I'm trying to convince My dad to move here Especially because His grandson's here And so he doesn't see him Like dad move man Well that's different though I mean That makes sense You know To live here with You know You're here Your business is here Your family's here That makes sense I think people will move though The thing is It's so expensive to live here Taxes ain't fun Like anything else What happens is You know what LA's great But you know There's this place Raleigh North Carolina They're really doing The building infrastructure And people move to those places Nashville Raleigh Austin Look what happened to Portland That secret got out

157:49People moved there So Yeah but the secret's out The winter sucks People moving back That's true But as you get Like one of the things I notice is Like I'll be in places Like that place We were in In Oklahoma Slash Arkansas In the middle of nowhere This tiny little Beautiful town We found the best coffee shop With the best Single source Single origin Shade grown coffee You know Designer fucking Coffee worthy of Keith Jardine This is the kind of shit That he gets excited about But I'm saying You wouldn't find But we ate great food So we had great restaurants I ate a croissant I loved it It made me think of France I know France I know Oklahoma Of France Of France I know what you're saying But here's the thing There's great places everywhere Small towns are not small towns From 20 years ago The internet is here And people are evolving And changing everywhere It's a different world You can find a lot of what you like

158:38From big cities in small towns Now more and more More and more And I think that It's important to note That Like the only reason to be in LA It's kind of retro To have all these people Jammed in together The idea is that like This is where the cool people are This is where we have to live This is where show business is But what kind of show business Are you really involved in anymore Other than the Goldbergs Exactly I guess that's like The last traditional thing No but you're right about that too And a lot of stuff Doesn't shoot in LA But also But you don't want to shoot anyway Your stuff that you're doing Most of it is you doing Stand up on the road Or you doing your podcast On the road Or you doing your podcast in town Unless you're doing auditions I told you the story about me Turning that thing down Before the show I'm not doing it That's gangsta I'm not interested It's not as fun There's only so much time

159:19I want to bow hunt I want to get my own food In the mountains I don't want to do any of that I want to shoot elk I want to act I want to hear elk go Fuck hunting He's only waiting behind a tree He wants to act Fuck hunting Yeah you say that Until you do it Let me tell you something Right now I take you bow and arrow hunting son You get addicted to archery I'll take you hunting You realize the rush Of taking out an elk And then eating it And then realizing All the guilt and weird shit That you have about food About buying it from a grocery store You can cut out like most of that Everything except restaurants I've cut it out Yeah When I'm eating meat It's all this It's so It's exciting It's a challenge Will you tell me when? Nah you're in I like it I'm in I wish it was a danger sandwich Hey look at me I wish it was a danger sandwich You do? Yeah You wish it was First of all I want a beer Elk will fuck you up

160:08Nah stop the fuck out of an elk Are you out of your mind? You'll go outside And look at that forest horse That I got sitting out there They would run They would run from this brother They might Sweetie Sweetie Me with an arrow He's not gonna be like What's up bro? First of all First of all He has to know That it's an arrow An elk might run A moose might run At you motherfucker And that's a big problem I said an elk son A moose I'm scared of a moose They're pretty close Pretty close in size Yeah Mooses fuck people up Elk fuck people up too I'm gonna have to watch some videos If we're gonna go I need to get more scared I need some videos Of elk fucking humans up Most likely They won't Moose are more aggressive Cause moose have to Moose are traditionally In climates that deal With a lot more grizzly bear too Yeah but dude See now If you're talking about Yeah son And wolves The one animal That scares the shit out of me Is an elk Oh my god

160:55Is an elk fucking up Some snowmen That's a snow You know what Dude Look at that fucking thing Look at the size of that thing You understand how big that is I think it's fucking big That's a thousand pound animal Yeah With giant swords Growing out of its head I need a machine gun bro Here's what terrifies me I didn't realize That grizzly bears Start eating you Before you die Ass first They start eating your ass Well they don't kill you They just eat you Oh You eventually die Jesus That's what I was gonna say Jesus Christ I was listening to your show Cause I'm scared of I've always been scared of horses But even more now I was listening to your show I'm like Mr. Hands I gotta look this up I went to that dark web Found that Mr. Hands video What's that? Mr. Hands is a guy He likes to have sex with horses Well This horse was just a little too A little too balls deep In that asshole Killed him You don't know about this? Killed him

161:41You talk about it on stage It's a great bit I stopped doing it Oh I'm sorry I didn't know No no no I mean a bit on stage Mr. Hands is a guy He would go into this place I did all this research I'm fucking weird But there's also It's obviously a three man mission Cause a cameraman Yeah The guy controlling that big old dick Wiener A big old horse wiener And then Mr. Hands is like this Yeah And so they just line that horse up He puts his hooves on And then they line that dick Into the asshole Well this horse was like Boom son And she They have it set up Where the guy's bending over It looks like bales of hay Or something like that Or some sort of a platform That they've designed So the guy can bend over And then the guy Puts his asshole out And the horse They lift the horse's legs up So his feet are on the platform And take his heart on They probably like Jerk the horse off first He came in about Two seconds That's how animals do it

162:30Like Kadoosh Animals don't like Fuck like Lexington Steel No no But this was like And the guy died No this was like Boom boom Kadoosh Yeah Like a gusher We played the noises We played in the Josh Zeps podcast We played the noises That he makes It's like But he's like Kind of like And he's like Oh man He doesn't die there though He doesn't die there He died at the hospital At the hospital His friends were like You gotta go to the hospital He's like no I'm fine Cause he works for Boeing He's like I'm not going Here's the thing though They don't know If that video Is of the time That killed him Because apparently There's hundreds of hours Of videos Of those guys Getting fucked by horses Hundreds of hours Now my thing is What the government Should do Is There's no sense In holding on to that Not making a profit Off of those hundreds of hours They should take that Make a DVD Put it up for sale And you know Put the money back Into the coffers

163:24Of the city I agree Make some money I'd kind of check it out It's interesting to see Because this horse's dick It looks like this mic It's literally this size It's like your arm And I'm not kidding And it goes He goes He goes balls deep Yeah This horse's ball It goes through His fucking Yeah It just rips him apart It tore his colon open What'd you think Was gonna happen Well apparently He'd done it A bunch of times And survived I don't know man Yeah Or done it With other animals And then maybe The horse is what Broke him Maybe he tried to Put a safety ring On that bad boy Put a safety ring Well the guy tries To hold on to it For a second Whose idea is that He tries to like You know like A high school girl When they're first Learning how to get BJ's They hold on to it They have like A little stopper Yeah Yeah that horse Is not buying that At all The horse said Just the tip Nah He's like Dirt Nah You gotta put An inflatable safety ring

164:13On that bad boy That ain't gonna stop That fucking mammal It's just weird It's weird because It's weird because They've met online In a forum Where people were Turned on by animals Yeah And then They met On this forum And then decided To meet In this place That was legal In Washington state It was legal Until recently As long as The animal's Penetrating you If you're Penetrating the animal That shit's Illegal son Like you can't Fuck a horse But it can fuck you But you're gonna Fuck a horse Fuck you The rules have Changed since Mr. Hand died I guess that makes sense That's like that That guy Jonathan I'm so balls deep in it But as soon as I Listened to that I was on the plane Just researching The shit out of it But there was this guy Jonathan Haid Who's a social scientist Talking about that Like certain things Are legal But they They elicit A disgust response Even though they Don't hurt anybody So like he does This example of

165:00Two things where he goes Sister are in the woods Having sex with a condom on There's nothing inherently Harmful to both of them But all of us go Ooh Or if a guy jerks off Or if a guy Fucks a chicken Then eats it We all go God damn But it's not really The chicken's already dead It's not And it elicits In a disgust reaction Even though Technically you can't Really define Why it's wrong Well you said I had to bet That bit about it About why is it okay To kill something But you can't fuck it After you kill it That's a great You can't do that But if you jerked off With a chicken cutlet I bet you wouldn't Go to jail Right If somebody caught you Fucking a chicken People would be really mad But if you just took The breast The chicken breast Wrapped around your dick And jerked off Right No one could say shit Right But we still have this Automatic disgust Especially if you're In like ground beef If you take ground beef And you know You just take

165:54Like raw ground beef And you warm it up To like body temperature In like a plastic Ziploc bag Wrap it around your dick And just start jerking yourself With this warm beef It's not a terrible idea Can you do that It's not a terrible idea I guess you can You can do that You're talking about Hot pocket What they call on the forum But people might not Invite you to their Cocktail party But if you get caught Fucking a pig Even if the pig's Having a great old time Like if you're Fucking a pig It's illegal And the pig's like Loving it Loving it Is that your pig impression Getting fucked This is my pig Just really hitting At the right spot That pig's like Oh shit baby That's illegal That's illegal Like even if the pig Like finds you And starts backing up Towards you Seeks you out But if you bend over And that pig's like Yo let me get that At that asshole It's legal Hey let's go back To Danville's area We're talking about No

166:42It's not necessarily legal And I don't think It's legal in Washington state anymore No not anymore Because Mr. Hand's dying But it's not like A proactive Active thing It's like It's I think it's illegal To just be engaging In sex Why though I don't know Isn't that weird Who gives a fuck But that's the question It's like Can you do body parts You know I don't know I don't get it Well what about the guy Who paid the guy To kill him And eat him And they ate They ate his genitals Together They ate his They ate his dick together Like technically There was a legal Quagmire there Where they were like Well the guy did Put an ad out And he did want to be Craigslist And you cannibalized him Together Yeah Did the guy Wind up dying Oh yes He wanted to be slaughtered Put an ad out In Craigslist And like Where was that To be slaughtered Somewhere And some dude was like Oh I'll do it I'll do it And he's like Listen but the deal is You gotta eat my dick first

167:33He's like Shit I'll eat that dick Like Kobayashi I'll barbecue that shit for you How strange Japanese man 22 Cooks his own genitals And serves them No this is a different one This is a different story That one's fucking nuts though This is a guy Who didn't like his gender He was asexual So he decided to cut his dick And balls off And then serve them Did the party know though Or is it like Hannibal style No They knew They were garnished with Mushrooms and parsley They paid 160 What is that Pounds I don't know Per person Way too much Way too much That's what it is Way too much To eat his severed genitalia At least they were garnished With mushrooms and parsley I like mine with lemon And capers You get everything though You get the shaft The testes And the scrotum Look at this He cooked the genitalia himself As he was supervised By a chef Whoa In a tweet he offered To cook his penis For a guest For whatever that squiggly mark is

168:26I'm offering my male genitals Full penis testes Scrotum As a meal for 100,000 yen That's 800 pounds So that's roughly What a thousand dollars Twelve hundred times A little Asian guy though That's a Is a pound more than a dollar Or less than a dollar now It varies Right It's more now It's worth more So 800 pounds Is like a thousand He decided to split the meal Between six guests So you're not getting A lot of dick for your money The organs were surgically Removed at age 22 I was tested to be free Of venereal diseases The organs were Of normal function I was not receiving Female hormone treatment So he took the The dick and balls away A year ago A year before this Kept that shit on ice Oh my god Well that's probably Going to tenderize it A little bit That works with elk meat Yeah it depends How you let it simmer Depends how you let it simmer No I mean it's freezing You freeze it for a year It actually breaks down Some of the tissue

169:19Especially that scrotum A lot of guys who hunt moose They don't eat it For like six months Oh really it breaks down Yeah Renella's brother told me that I feel like the dick Would be pretty soft Like a filet I feel sick It would be all fat I feel sick I feel really sick I know but so Because I'm thinking about The six people eating This tiny dick Like calamari Yeah not good The other guy Is a different story though Find about the guy Who hired someone To kill him and eat him Yeah that one's different But there's a lot of weird Dick eating people Who the fuck signed up To go to that dinner Maybe Are you guys going over Ching's eating that day Can you call him crazy Well do you guys know About the Japanese guy There's a Japanese guy Who killed a woman And ate her And did a little bit of time In jail And somehow or another Got off or got out And now is a celebrity And he jokes around About eating people He murdered some girl And ate her

170:06And now he does like Pictures Like the Japanese culture Is very different than ours And he does these like Pictures where he pretends To be like biting people And eating people Strange fetish Like a celebrity I'm trying to remember The dude's name Ozawa or something like that You find him I was looking for that But you started Almost saying I found this was even weirder What is this That article That damn thing's in the way Man slices Or woman slices Close down At the bottom of it You can get rid of it No you see the Right below that Audible Oh my god They're all popping up This is gross Oh my god Look at all these things That pop up Yeah I feel sick I feel physically sick Thinking of these Eating dick Ew You can't get rid of that ad No Oh my god Audible Oh there it goes Okay Oh it's like a Coding issue huh Yeah I see Interesting though It's going to things That you've Researched Like Richard Dawkins The God of the Illusion Meat Eater

170:59Sam Harris Woman slices off Rapist genitalia Forces him to eat it At gunpoint See that's a tight move That I'm cool with Cause this guy Came after her He raped her Keep going down Look at that guy's face And then she Convicted child molester She then approached Williams Tied him up In a bit of rage Grabbed a knife And castrated him Wow Is that the plot Of the tattoo girl Williams fell asleep After drinking massive amounts Of alcohol And Walt was able to Untie herself And then she Basically See I'm with that That's cool That's awesome She should have killed him I grabbed the gun That he had left On the kitchen counter Walked over to him Forced him to eat it I have no remorse And I am not sorry That bastard deserved it And he's going to hell Did she get in trouble I agree with her Eat that dick I'm 100% I'm 100% I'm 100% See now that's a case Where I think that girl Should get a medal Me too Me too Why are we not celebrating her Why is she not

171:50Have her own podcast Is she in trouble Find out if she's in trouble Hope not It'd be hilarious Cause she didn't kill him Right Just fed him that dick That's allowed That should be allowed Well she cut his dick off Hey man Fantastic Well you can't say Self defense Well she was tied up Got out Cut that dick off Forced him to eat it Yeah he needs to die Of course Well now he's It's almost better He's alive now With no dick No because he can Still hurt people Good luck in jail You know a lot of those guys What they're doing Is psychological You know Son of a bitch What False It's fake Yeah Oh damn it God damn Well the picture I was like well That picture Jamie snopes it False A fake news site Posing as a Los Angeles area Outlet KTLA Spread a fabricated But juicy tale That shit was juicy Of a woman's revenge That was a plot From the girl with the tattoo Whatever the fuck it was Oh girl with the dragon tattoo Yeah that's why

172:39I was like haven't I seen that That rapist She fucks him up She doesn't feed him his dick But she fucks him up And writes like Whore or whatever On his back And tattoo Good move Mmhmm Mad ass See we're all But we're all in agreement Of something like that Yeah we are You know you see Like the possibility Of someone actually doing that And how you support it I'm 100% in agreement Me too Brian are you checking the tweets See if people love you No I'm not I'm seeing when we have to be It's CAA You guys have a meeting Yeah What time is your meeting I don't know I just got a call from my agent I may have to listen to it Real quick What are you guys doing Got some fighter and a kid business Yeah we're big shots right now Hot in the streets right now Victim of cannibal Agreed to be eaten To the family next door Oh this is the guy Seems like the perfect neighbor He mowed their lawn Repaired their car Even invited them around for dinner

173:23Other residents in the small German town Of Rottenberg Also believed There was nothing odd About the 42 year old Computer expert Whose light burned Late into the night Inside his creaking mansion Yesterday however Muse appeared in court Charged with killing And then frying and eating Another man Wow Crazy shit right Yeah he met the 43 year old Berlin engineer Bern Brandes After advertising on the internet And had chopped him up And eaten him It was he said Something he had wanted to do For a long time Okay man I always wanted I always had the fantasy And in the end I fulfilled it Muse said to the court On his first day Of his trial for murder In the nearby city of Kessel Yesterday German prosecutors Described how Muse Had fantasized about Killing and devouring someone Including his classmates From the age of 8 The desire grew stronger After the death of his mother In 1999 Prosecutor Marcus Kohler said In March of 2001

174:25Muse advertised On the internet For a young Well built man Who wanted to be eaten Oh He advertised So he asked If anybody wants to be eaten Oh and this guy's like I'm down Yeah So it was the opposite In the evening of March 9th Two men went to the bedroom In Muse Rambling Tumbered farmhouse Mr. Brandis swallowed 20 sleeping tablets And half a bottle of schnapps Before Muse cut off Brandis' penis With his agreement And fried it For both of them to eat Fried dick Whoa Fried dick Brandis by this stage Bleeding heavily Then took a bath While Muse read A Star Trek novel Gangster The guy cut his dick off And he He went and read a book While the guy bled out In a tub Star Trek at that He said a bath Who reads a Star Trek novel How much blood Is coming out of this guy Like How do you even Okay In the early hours Of the morning He finished off his victim By stabbing him in the neck With a large kitchen knife Kissing him first Whoa Some weird shit

175:29The cannibal then Chopped Mr. Brandis' Into pieces And put several bits Of him in his freezer Next to a takeaway pizza And buried the skull In his garden Over the next few weeks He defrosted and cooked Parts of Mr. Brandis In olive oil and garlic Eventually consuming 20 kilograms Of human flesh Before police Finally turned up At his door With my every bite My memory of him Grew stronger That bitch is crazy Behind bars Muse told detectives That he first consumed His victim With a bottle Of South African red wine Had got out His best cutlery And decorated His dinner table With candles He toasted He tasted of pork He said He added Whoa Jesus Christ It's not illegal Yeah The unprecedented case Had proven problematic For German lawyers Who discovered That cannibalism Is not illegal In Germany But it's murder Okay so instead They've charged Muse with murder For the purposes Of sexual pleasure And with disturbing The peace of the dead Oh shit

176:31There's video of this What? Crucial to the case Is a gruesome Videotape made Of the entire evening During which Brandis Apparently makes clear His consent Whoa I'm trying to see That deep fried dick Go down Oh my god I want to see What that's like Oh my god Before setting off On his one way journey To Rottenberg Brandis was outwardly At least A successful Financially secure Professional With a live in girlfriend Jesus Christ Live in girlfriend Look at this After killing Brandis The German cannibal Met five other men Who responded To his internet advert Including one from London He did not however Kill them His girlfriend Broke up with him Because it revealed That he liked men Jesus Christ Well he likes to eat them I eat dicks girl Yeah Is that a problem for you? Listen to this In July of 2001 A student stumbled over Mew's chat room And lured the German authorities Who arrested him Last December So he was like Out running around For a while

177:25How long was the time Between December And when he killed the dude? I don't know There are a lot of people Like to eat other people This guy is messed up He ate 20 kilograms Of the guy's body 20 kilograms Is 44 pounds? That's 44 meals A lot of it went to waste I don't know That's a 200 pound man But he didn't eat it all He still had some of it They caught him Before he could finish it What does this say? The pre-trial interview The cannibal said That after eating Brandis He felt much better And more stable This bitch said He fantasized about Having a blonde young brother Who could keep forever By consuming him Hey man You batshit crazy Oh yeah Whoa Although they say That serial killers Like they get The final step Is when they start eating And drinking the blood Of their victims Because it's their way Of consuming And having complete And total power over them Hey he only gets Five years in jail though What? How that fuck's

178:22Back on the streets In five years Well he's already Back on the street then Because I feel like This story was five years ago Scroll up Jimmy Longer than five years ago That bitch might have Got out today They made a movie about this 2013 So it was three Oh three 2003 Oh my god He's out He's out eating Yeah Google this motherfucker Armin Google that guy And put the word released Ooh look at him He looks like a guy That'd eat your dick Oh my god He's a terrifying dude Yeah He didn't win the lottery When it came to looks There you go sweetie Look at his fucking face An interview with a cat There's an interview with him Set of chompers on him Whoa Dude Dude Did they make a movie About this Yeah I don't think so They did Yeah they did Oh I gotta see it Video original No way No What is that That's the movie I think That's the movie Grim Love I'm not ready for the original Oh my god Yeah My mind's not right Is there a real video Oh Oh that's

179:15Those are clay puppets Yeah That shit look real though For a second Oh my god Yeah They show that guy With his dick cut off What the fuck is that Is that the real one Oh that's a shoulder Oh that's the real one man That's him splitting the guy Down the middle What I was taking him off Yeah don't show people But that's him That's him splitting the guy Down the middle That was sitting down the middle On YouTube I was just taking Yeah okay That was the real pictures That guy hung him by his ankles And split him down the middle Split him dick Yeah And bled him out Into buckets and shit Boy They say that the What was the guy He probably hung him up And stabbed He said he stabbed him in the neck That's probably how he killed him He probably hung him upside down And killed him He was already out of it God he's a hitman God he's a hitman Richard Ted Ted What was the guy's name Who was the ice man Kuklinski Yeah he said that What they would do

180:01Is they would hang the body Bleed it And then chop it up Take it out to a boat And just either drop it Off the boat Yeah Or they would bring it to One of those car mashing places And put the body under a car Fifteen other cars And you'd just be You know Disintegrated Yeah I read this book called Murder Machine Joey Diaz gave it to me Back in the day It was all about this Guy who was a mob Roy DeMeo I think his name was Who was a mob assassin Who just became a Fucking complete on Full on Psychopath Serial killer Who killed God knows how many people Just killed people Left and right For whatever fucking reason He wanted to And this place That they lived This bar area Where they had like An apartment upstairs They used to kill people In this apartment They just fucking killed Like a hundred people there Jesus He just got addicted To killing people And this is a book about Is it in his words Well it's his It's the story His story

180:55The investigators That caught him How they caught him But it's a disturbing book Man It's one of those books Where you go Whoa You just have to realize Those people are out there They're out there They're out there Stuff makes me sick It should That's why we need Tim Kennedy Can't read that shit Exactly Yeah Here it is An interview with a cannibal Documentary It says new light On one of Germany's Most infamous murders And this is from 2016 What the fuck This year it's on YouTube I was just looking at it So he's free What's the documentary called He was in jail for eight years It's what I found out He said he became a vegetarian While he was in jail as well Bitch please Right You can't eat dicks Until we just eat veggies Whatever He's gonna come out And he's gonna start Eating people again You're eating 40 pounds A man Then be like Nah man I'm not into meat anymore How much do you think The footage of the act itself

181:39Which was shown in a closed room During a trial Is described in the documentary As too disturbing to show And so shocking That only 19 minutes Of the four hour video Was shown Oh man Holy shit His behavior as a child Was described as Like most other children His age He loved animals And found country life idyllic Well God look at that fucking guy Some people are just crazy Is that the guy he ate? Yeah Yeah that's the guy he ate He looks stable That guy wanted to be butchered Huh? Because his girlfriend Caught him with men Is that what it was? The flesh tastes like pork But stronger Oh Jesus Christ It's just amazing That he's free now I almost wish I could speak German So I could understand What he's saying Bring his dumb ass In here with a translator You don't want to hear it? Well I don't know man He's not gonna kill you guys It's almost like a No bring him in No that's never happened Yeah yeah Bring him in with a translator

182:37Like a UFC interview In Germany I don't want that guy Knowing where I am Well he just knows Where your studio's at I'd have to kill him Maybe we bring him here Kill him Eat his ass I wanna start carrying Two guns That guy's not gonna kill you The gun That guy's not gonna kill you The gun He's not gonna kill you Everyone here can beat him up Yeah if you let him kill you He'll eat you If you give him any sort of light Like yeah you know I'm kinda depressed He's killing you There are people Depression is better served With wine But there are people In vans right now Trolling around Looking for someone to eat I don't think so There are definitely I mean it goes back to It goes back to What we were talking about When we were talking about Bathrooms and transgender people And the amount of creeps That are actually Not transgender Just sexual predators There's a small amount To come up with an angle A way to get into

183:23There's someone in a van right now There's a small amount Of people right now In this country Just this country That are fighting off The urge to commit Rape and murder Oh for sure Monsters right You told me a white van A group of dudes Is driving around LA Trying to eat people I don't mean Probably not But is there Is there likely Someone Look all he has to do Is one crime Where someone drinks Someone's blood And kills someone By biting them in the neck And then it becomes A copycat People are weird I met a girl Who She was We were talking And said Well I've had Trouble getting on my Yeah It's too much We're ruining Brendan We're ruining him I met a girl Who said She couldn't get She said She'd had a tough time The last two years And I was trying to ask her Finally she said Well my cousin was killed My first cousin was killed And I said How She said This guy was killing men He was spiking their drinks He would take them outside

184:14Have sex with them And then kill them And that happened Jesus Christ There are people That just do weird shit That they're just kind of predators They set their whole life up That way I'm aware of predators Yeah You guys told me There's people in vans Looking around to eat people There's people that are fucked over With puppies As lures And as Cadbury eggs And Twizzlers That's how you get him In the fucking van Just put some Twizzlers there I thought you were done What happened I am But if you put it in my face That's so weird If you crack the Cadbury egg I'm like Yo dog Look at this Oh shit What's this Goosh Wouldn't do a god damn thing to me Listen If you're really weak There's some chili mangoes I can't faze me I haven't cheated yet Doug Okay I'm just saying I said something If I opened that bag If I walked in there And you had fresh Cadbury eggs Peeled from the wrapper What about those chili mangoes

184:54What if I just opened one of those bags Let you smell it No it does nothing Really? No I get excited If you had to eat five You could only eat five foods What would they be? That Cadbury egg Five foods forever? Yep Well if I was restricted to that I would do it only based on nutrition So elk meat? Yeah I would eat something like that Avocado Like wild game meat Avocados Healthy vegetables like kale It would be all boring shit Well elk meat's not boring Sweet potato Bison Bison I would have to leave it at that But I think if you only ate five things You're probably going to get sick Unless you're supplementing yourself You know you got to make sure You're getting a proper amount of vitamin C You'd be fucked Yams I'd imagine yams Kale Avocado Elk You got a lot of stuff there right? I think people benefit more than other animals do On a variety of different foods Yeah sure On varying their diet Yeah

185:42Like animals have a problem with that Like dogs Like you can't switch up dog food If you give a dog one kind of food Then you give them something else You just get explosive diarrhea Can you get too much Babies do it the same way though? Like if you change the formula Baby goes what? And shit everywhere Can you get too much iron from eating meat every day? Too much iron? Yeah That's interesting I've never heard that before Because I had a high iron count one time When I went and got my blood done Well how much meat are you eating? But he said He said We eat a ton of red meat? Not a lot But he said You know what's fucking crazy? I was cooking from a cast iron Oh yeah Yeah And cast iron will actually Gives you iron in your food Yes Trace iron Because that's the only You get a lot of high ferrous levels Yeah I cook a lot in iron pans That's probably the best thing for you It's a good way to get iron Yeah

186:24Probably a good way for people to get iron too That are vegetarians Like even if you eat like eggs That's exactly what they tell vegetarians To cook in a cast iron skillet Yeah that's a good way to do it Because you get low iron if you're a vegetarian You also get a lot of creatine If you're eating a lot of red meat Like you don't need a dose on creatine I used to take so much creatine But because of this diet I eat a lot of red meat Stuff like that I don't take any creatine So you're doing your ketogenic right? Yeah I think creatine is a like legit supplement Me too It's one of the few legit supplements Super legit It actually does really increase your strength I've been taking it And recovery It does It's legit You know a lot of these things That like It goes back to the Yoel Romero thing And even the Jeff Nowitzki thing A lot of the stuff that we see in these stores Like GNCs and health stores

187:08That have these muscle building things A lot of those things are really steroids Really? Yeah Yeah Yeah Wow Different form Yeah Like Wow That's why guys keep pissing hot from them The USADA has a website That we When Nowitzki was here He sent us to the website And you go like A through Z You find whatever the supplement is And you list List to see if Whether or not People have been popped for it Right Like they test And they pull these things off the market And they just come back With some new name They switch up Molecules Remember Mark McGuire The stuff he was using You could buy at GNC And Drustin I took that shit For a long time I took that shit You could buy all that shit It was okay Was that a steroid? Yeah Well sort of It was a steroid hormone precursor But here's the deal He wasn't taking that Well hold up He was taking straight up steroids And fucking whatever I don't even think he was taking that

187:56I bet he popped him for the fuck of it Just to see how he felt Maybe But he was injecting straight testosterone Like this in his neck Yeah That Andrastine dial worked a little But the stuff he was taking Jason Giambi He was on the real Sammy Soho Do you see how big Like I It's been a lesson to me Where I look back And I realize When you play sports And you lift weights Nobody's 240 pounds And just that jacked I mean some people Some are Some people are Some are A lot of professionals But you don't You don't go from being That's true But you don't go from being 185 when you're 25 If you see a big dramatic difference Especially if they're like a veteran Yeah Something's up But there's a lot of The freaks out You can achieve some incredible results With discipline And the right protocol With hypertrophy You could eat a lot of food All day long And lift crazy weights And when you're young If your body holds up To the workload

188:46You can put on some massive weight When you're young When your hormones are strong If you do it the right way Like say if you had Like a strength lifting coach And you said Hey I want to gain 20 pounds of muscle If you had to do it right now They would go Oh we gotta fuck with your hormones Right Like you're too old Yes At this point I've been told that But if you were 20 And you did the same thing It's a possibility It's a possibility Also you probably have to have The body type I don't really think I could do You know That's hard for me To put on any muscle Maybe But you're not a guy Who's ever tried Yeah You don't really know If you're young You're not frail You had like a strict program Yeah Yeah You're not frail No You know I mean No you're not skinny I don't call you skinny You're not like a weight lifting guy though Right Like you don't lift I do lift but not like that How often do you lift? Probably twice a week And it's not

189:30Oh that's Yeah Listen twice a week is fine Yeah When you lift Do you lift heavy weights? I try to Like where I'm At failure at 6 8 You know But you're guys doing more of a cardio Like circuit right? Like if I'm working out with that guy Like heavy deadlifts Squats Bench Well I'll do like Lately like I'll go from Deadlift to pull ups You know And the deadlift is By the 8th one I'm hurting You know But again I'll do that once a week You know And then I'll do Maybe some bench With like 60 pound dumbbells And then I'll do You're also 49 Yeah I'm also 49 Well you know One of the things about Pavel Tatsulin His interview with Tim Ferriss He was talking about his dad Getting involved in power lifting When he was in his 60s He taught his dad power lifting When his dad was in his 60s And like 6-7 years later He put on You know X amount of pounds of muscle And he said he looks like A 40 year old man now From like If you see his back

190:26And he didn't do any supplements I think if you did Power Look at my skeptical hippo face The fuck out of my face Skeptical hippo I didn't know about skeptical hippo Have you never seen skeptical hippo No Jamie bring that up Bring that up Yeah it's really funny Jamie bring that up By the way When you Power lifting Is good If you do it right I think it's probably Good for your hormones And good for your body Like I feel good When I lift heavy Like I have more energy That day I really do It releases testosterone And the next day Yeah it's good for you Well what Pavel thinks Skeptical hippo When you told me That six year old Put on LBs That's my face right now That's fucking hilarious You've never seen Some of the more skeptical That's the time too Well what he was talking about What Ferris was talking about Or Pavel was talking about Rather was his protocol Which is that Never more than five repetitions And never go to failure

191:12Oh really Yeah his idea is that If you Say if you lift something And like the most reps You can do is like seven Cut it off at five And put it down And that strength is a skill And that you want What he calls Greasing the groove Like doing something Over and over again Giving yourself plenty of time In between it So that you're strong You're fully recovered And you'll get stronger And you'll get stronger faster Who's this guy? Pavel Tatsoumine He's the godfather of kettlebells The guy that came to America And started kettlebell programs Like all kettlebell instruction Pretty much came out of that guy Does he live in LA? Because I would pay him Yes he does Really? Yeah he does He lives in Santa Monica I would pay him to work out The back of 75 year old deadlifter 100% drug free That's his dad Yeah Well I mean who knows I mean maybe his dad's Some fucking savage Maybe some freak Yeah I'm for sure gonna need him To piss in this Yeah

192:02Hey uh Golden snitch You gotta pee again? Get on it No I don't I'm saying I'd like Oh piss test Yeah When you work out With a guy like that guy Like how long is that work at? Is it an hour? It's a good question It's a good question If you're doing all that rest Well what I do is What I've been doing Over the last few weeks Since I listened to this podcast Is you know Because I have stuff at home I have a little gym in my house So what I'll do Is I just start working out Well not even in the garage Inside the house I have a weight gym So I'll go And I'll just lift weights During the day And then I'll do it later at night I'll like I'll lift weights Like I'll go home now And I'll do a few sets of chin-ups And some kettlebell swings And curls And stuff Or uh And cleans And stuff like that Then later that night I'll do like Clean squat press I'll do some Some different shit And I'll do My sets throughout the day Like that

192:50You're splitting it up Yeah Instead of smashing it in But my cardio I still do in one big set So like What I like to do for cardio Is I like to lift weights first And get really fucking tired Then once I'm really tired I do like Balls out cardio For a half hour That's cool So I'm already exhausted And then I It's like More of a mental thing I've been Hitting mitts for me Is my cardio That's great That's great It's great cardio I've been doing Getting my cardio in With my lifting So I'll do like Heavy deadlifts And the set is Whatever A set of 10 Of heavy deadlifts I go straight from there To the treadmill And I'll sprint as fast as I can For a minute On like level 10 11, 12 Literally as fast as I can And I go to pull-ups I just do that for 5 rounds What's heavy deadlift for you? That's awesome 315 If I'm doing 10 That's a lot Because you know You do 5 rounds It's a shit You know It gets exhausted Yeah But I get my Heavy deadlifts For me

193:43Cardio wise It wears me the fuck out Nothing feels better for me I do the crossbar Where I stand In the middle of it You know And I do deadlift With that That to me That's always my go-to Well they say Specifically That bar Like using that trap bar For deadlifts Is one of the best ways To like excite Your entire system Safest too One of the safest But it's also Like you're gripping it The way you're gripping it Like there's something weird About that over under grip That you do With a standard dumbbell And then you bang it off Your shins And straighten your back up But this motherfucker Is like right in the groove So you can have Really excellent posture It puts less of a load On your lower back And you can really Fucking stack up With some heavy weight You can do some cool stuff With it too Farmer's walks Oh yeah I was thumbing through a book Called The Supple Leopard How to become a supple leopard Oh yeah Did you see

194:31That looks really cool You see what D'Elia did D'Elia didn't know Who Kelly Starrett was He didn't know Kelly Starrett Is a famous Strength and condition guy He just saw A ridiculous photo of him He does look ridiculous So he did this long You know D'Elia has A hilarious Instagram Oh I saw that I saw that He has these long Like huge run on sentences Of how fucked up These guys are And he did it With Kelly Starrett And it's one of the Funniest things He's ever done Look at that photo Look at his head I mean this dude I can't stop laughing Does he know The camera can zoom out And he can put his head Regular He looks like He's trying to Peek into the lens Saying You guys fucking Or can I come in He just keeps going On and on And on And on This is the most Peeking-est Motherfucker ever Even Tom is like He peaks more than me He says I'm dying This guy looks like He hurt his neck Five seconds ago It's really funny Look how long he goes

195:24Yeah it keeps going I didn't want to Read it all But he said This is the look That you give a guy When you're fucking His wife After he fucked Your wife He's so stupid He's so funny I retweeted it But please go to Chris's account Go to Chris Delia And see it That's another funny Motherfucker Oh he's hilarious Jesus Christ He's another good dude Too man It's nice having him Around the store He's fun He's the best He's one of my favorite people That store That store is on fire Fire Fire You know what else is on fire The fighter and the kid This weekend Live in Boston Ladies and gentlemen The Wilbur Theater That's right The Truckadero The Truckadero In Philly And Saturday as well And don't forget Zany's in Nashville Tomorrow But we might be sold out Or almost We're in Nashville tomorrow Sold out in New York But not sold out At the Wilbur You guys are in Nashville tomorrow For the Vince Vaughn comedy tour Dude I'm there on Friday

196:18How long are you guys there for Just one night Then we go to New York Then we go to Boston Then we go to the Truckadero In Philly And then we come home I wish I was there with you guys Me too We should organize some gigs At least in the same town together Have you done The Helium in St. Louis Or is that in New York I've only done Helium In Portland Which is fucking outstanding And Helium in Philly Which is one of the best clubs The world has ever known I'm doing their club In St. Louis June 9th 10th and 11th So get your tickets I'm a big fan of Helium At TFATK I like that website Who did that website? My brother Your brother's a website designer? Yeah His brother's a genius He's a beast He does all my online stuff Your brother makes websites? Yeah Really? Does he do it professionally? Or does he just do it for you? No He just did it for us How long did it take him to do this? He uses Squarespace too Oh no Wow This is Squarespace? Aw

197:04Dude Yeah my brother's a beast This is really good Yeah super beast He did a great job The photographs in the background are awesome Where'd you get that hat? I did that's from a photo shoot An Abraham Lincoln karate movie? Uh huh Uh huh God damn right Abraham Lincoln vampire slayer Um So I guess we covered the UFC I knew this wasn't gonna be a UFC podcast We kind of did We covered some We watched some of the big fights We talked about it Yeah I just still don't want I wanna know That's hilarious D'Elia sent me a text Totally unrelated Like didn't know that we were doing a podcast Probably didn't know we were even talking about him And he sent me a text About Kelly Starrett Retweeting that thing Thinking it's hilarious And he said Guy seems cool I love that shit When people get jokes So D'Elia just sent me this Like we're kind of Psychic connection man There it is But that's what's crazy Is that like that picture That I put up

197:58Was days ago And the fact that he said it Literally texted me While we were talking about it That's so weird That is weird What are you gonna do? Dude It's spooky man It's like fucking Chemtrails The earth is flat He got owned He got owned by Chris D'Elia The earth is flat Yeah but he's Kelly's a good guy He's hilarious Yeah don't take pictures Knows his shit too Well I don't think I mean he's probably In the middle of a video And someone took a still of it And used it as a photo Or he was like Make sure you get this angle He's doing like mobility stuff He knows his shit huh Oh fuck yeah He's the guy that came up With the idea of using Those hard balls Like lacrosse balls To loosen up muscles Oh it's the best There's a lot of Good information out there man Fuck yeah there is More than ever before I'm gonna get huge With that Russian guy And I'm gonna work with I'm gonna be a I'm gonna be a fucking Big leopard A big supple leopard

198:46Yeah well he's all about mobility He's a big mobility Like it's all about Having a full range of motion Flexibility And full range of Of motion with all your tissues Nothing being tight And wound up And so he's all about Like breaking up scar tissue Stretching yourself out Making sure that You're strong In all these different areas So you don't create These vulnerable spots Ryan you should hit him up And spend a lot of time with him Well my neck I fucking injure the same Muscle on my neck man Once every three months Start jerking guys off Stop sucking them off Alright Something about head movement Let a guy fuck your head Just tell him I've been happy I'm happy to blow you All these years As long as he doesn't Butcher me and eat me afterwards We got a guy I got a guy I got a guy Who'll fuck you He kissed the guy in the face Right before he stabbed him In the neck What a gem of a person Wandering around Germany Sweetie Yeah

199:34You should dress him up like a Just die We're all gonna die We gotta get him on the show Dress him up like an infidel Send him to the Muslim neighborhoods For reals This fucking podcast Is over TFATK.com Brendan Schaub On Twitter Brian Callen With a Y On Twitter And see you fucker soon Thanks everybody Bye Oh I'll be back tonight Podcast at 9pm With Bobcat Goldway Oh I love Bobcat Just back from a Bigfoot convention