Brendan Schaub & Bryan Callen

00:00Ropecia is bad for your dick, for your wang, for your dick. It's probably bad for a lot of things. You know what it else is bad for? For me, at least personally, my experience, when I got off of it, my endurance like upped really. Yeah. My strength like I felt stronger, like I felt like physically better like I would get tired like when I was on that. Yeah. I heard there's terrible side effects. Ari Shafir experienced severe depression from Propecia and didn't put the two and two together until after he got off of it. And uh he had like bad depression and it was all and he realized like oh my god it all started when I started taking propia. I heard your I messes with your sex drive too. You did I got to be honest with you guys. Killed my dick like a bullet. I'll be honest with you guys. I take it all the time and my dick is always hard right now. You're

00:47amazing. I am as you always like to say it's not testosterone. I'm just a pervert. I I need always tells me, "Dude, I think my testosterone is too high." Like, look at your built like this. This is you, dude. I took my shirt off. Don't ever say you you're what happened to you when I took my shirt off? You went like this. You go You held it in, but you went like this. You went immediately. You think I I shuddered? You went and then you were like, "Oh, you need to get in better shape." If I was a woman, I would be excited. You guys did have a pose off. We had a pose off just now. Two 48-year-old losers posing off. literally. I'm on my phone, Jo. Yeah, look at this. We We're making you We're making you judge us. Making you judge. You guys are both my friends. No, you both. You look great. Who looks younger? Didn't you think at some point in time you were going to

01:30grow up? Like I I always assumed that this would this would not be funny for me. Yeah. Like you would come where I wouldn't be with my friends going of course being would it never ends. Will we be like 80 and doing this? I think so. I think we'll always be attracted to round soft surfaces, uh, fightings, any kind of penetration, and it'll get our attention always like, "What happened? The guy punched him in the face." Well, listen to this crazy Dana White told me that the guy who invented Reenikine, Peter Welling, is that his name is in in Germany. Forget his Dudeldorf Germany. Is the one that Kobe Bryant, all those guys are flying out to Germany to uh this Regenicine procedure that regener it's amazing anti-inflammatory properties. He's figured out a way to regenerate collagen with an injection. With an injection, your body starts regenerating its own collagen like a 20-year-old. And

02:21he's saying wrinkles will just go away. Your skin will just tighten up. You are going to look like a much younger person. And this is all within like the next year. Really? Yep. They're on Congrats, Ken. I don't need it. Look at my face. You're beautiful. So tight. They're on the brink of doing this. They're that close. Like they're setting up the infrastructure and they're getting ready to roll with this stuff. And when they do invest in that right now hell yeah. When they do, it's going to be bonkers, man. That's pretty wild. You're going to see Barbara Walters looking hot as I know. But every time I True. They are doing crazy stuff with tissue regeneration. Well, what's I wonder when they're going to be able to do that to backs cuz people that have like really like I ran into my friend Alder who's won Eddie Bravo's black belts last night. Told me he

03:04hasn't been able to I haven't seen him in a while. Told me he hasn't been able to do jiu-jitsu in two years. His back has been up and it just doesn't get better. All disced up. Yeah, definitely. Well, I'm doing disc degeneration, you know. There are two girls I know who are in wheelchairs, you know, and and uh they are Are they Is it from your dick? It's from my dick. It's from my dick. And uh you them. They're both actually super attractive. I have to be honest. And I I'd be lying if I said I didn't have So, you're talking about spinal injuries, not discs. And um you know, obviously the the there's there's a long way to go before that. But there's a guy in San Diego, a doctor who I guess works with electrical pulses. Um, and he has had some success in sort of he shoots an electrical sort of uh I don't know pulse false hope. No, it it it's in some cases

03:51uh it's it's given some feeling back in their legs and stuff. So, it's it's promising, but I think No, they're going to fix all that stuff. They just can't figure out how to regenerate spinal tissue. They can't figure out how to connect what once your core is severed. They can't do anything about it. But they're they're very hopeful. They're doing they're doing it with penises. I mean, you're able to transplant a penis. Not only did the guy they transplanted his penis and he was success he got his girlfriend pregnant. Wow. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Well, the hardest thing for so many veterans is when they get their legs blown off, the first thing this doctor was saying, the first thing young men say is, "What's going on with my my my dick?" Of course. And of course. And it's so devastating. It's such a devastating wound. And one of the things

04:33that they they were trying to get money for it and they were like, "Look, we we legs are more important." He said, "You have no idea what you're talking about mentally for a young man when he gets an injury to his groin. That's more devastating than almost anything else." It's pretty devastating. Also, when your dick gets blown off with your balls, like you you don't have testosterone anymore, son. Exactly. So, it's obviously there's a lot of lot to say about that. Horrors of war. Yeah. The idea that you can just figure out how to fix bodies to the point where anything that's broken can just get repaired. You know, think about like 100 500 years ago, if you got a broken leg, like 500 years ago, you're a dead man. We're going to have to put you down. The thing is, you know, the one thing they can't figure out how to help your brain. It's the only thing they can't figure out.

05:20Everything else, you're good. I feel like why don't they just drill a hole and shoot some stem cells in there? I don't know, man. It's this crisper this crisper cast 9 is incredible. That that's the new frontier. And in 10 years we're going to be we're going to be literally taking your DNA and putting a gene in the area. Apparently just shooting a gene in the area of that when they snip your DNA. This is whole, you know, you know how it works. It's kind of wild. There's a great radio lab podcast on Christmas. I listened to it twice so I could figure out what they were saying. You know what the con is to all this though is all this advancement in medical and all that stuff and we're fixing everyone is it's everything's going to get overpop populated right people stop dying off so fast there will always be plain old death I think the biggest question average life is going

06:03to be way longer it's already increasing also how do you how do you pay for like there are certain cancer treatments that are $1,000 a pill I mean you can cure heepsi now and it's $1,000 a pill it'll cost you $84,000 but you'll cure it you will cure For sure. Pepsi is is a curable disease. It's not it's no longer a manageable disease. It used to be really hard. You'd have to take interferon, which would only work on Northern Europeans. The look on Brennan Shaw's face is he can still Pamela Anderson out. Hold on. With the collagen, the new tit. Sign me up, son. I can do it. We got to get her to do squats. I know. No ass at all. No ass at all. Nothing. Who? Anderson. I worked with her. She had an ass. Easy. When did you work with her? I did Stacked, the great TV shows. It may as well been stacked. She was She was 14. She was 38. Still very hot. How old is she now? Pepsi at the time. So,

07:05you're talking about like at least 10 years ago, right? Yeah. About 10 years ago, bro. I saw Sydney Crawford when I was coming out of yoga in Santa Monica. She is jaw-dropping gorgeous. She's beautiful. She had a long conversation with her and her husband like 6 months ago at a party. Yeah. She's She's hot as And she's like 50. Yes. 51. Something like that. I love it. She keeps it up, baby. Have you seen Christy Brinkley? Yes. 62. Have you seen her? Looks hot as She might be the hottest older lady. No, she is the hottest older lady. Raquel Welsh. I saw Raquel Welsh when she was in her 60s and a straightup dime piece. Some women are beautiful their whole life. They can hang in there. They can hang in there. Yeah. Very rare. You know how much effort it must take to keep that up? I mean, it's a it's a job. You don't think it's genetics? It's probably that, too. But also effort. I don't

07:55think there's any woman who looks that fantastic that doesn't do something like either they have fillers on their face or they work out like a demon, which is mandatory, or they go to they have to they have to they probably do cryogenics. Like that's Christy Brinkley. She's 62. That's nuts. My mom is very similar in age right now. I would go on a date with her 62-y old and that's not even a good picture because like the sun's behind her, her face is in the shade. Like she's legitimately high definition beautiful. That's crazy. She might fall apart though when you get in the sack. You know what I'm saying? Like bones. She probably just sleeps all the time. Just like a vampire regenerating. bathtub. It's filled with blood. I I started I started noticing I started noticing like for me like about about four years ago, maybe three years ago, like I noticed that girls

08:52just didn't look at me the same when I'd come off stage. Like I mean I talk about my wife and stuff, but when when you as a young man like you're doing standup, you would always have some female attention. It's it's died down quite a bit. Dried up. Dried up a little older. I'm old guy. Well, I'm I'm 48 and now if a girl who's 20 and she were to sleep with me, I'm sure like we were talking about it, her friends would probably be like, "How old?" E for sure. Yeah. Your fans now are more interested in bingo and I'm not very So when is that collagen coming out? Soon. Soon. I'm shooting that up by the gallon. Super soon. By the shooting it right into your face holes. I'm going to take my shirt off here cuz I got a tight shirt on. How about you take the headphones off, too? Yeah. But um they just don't like feeble old dudes, you know, with weird like hunches in their back. Gravity's

09:41winning. Some guys some guys let themselves go. I've never understood. You don't want that. Well, nobody want Christy Brinkley. She's like way older than us. Yeah. But we would all her. Yes. Give her a chance right now in the right circumstances. I'm taking my sports to a new level by the time I'm 16. Drugs. I'm playing tennis. What is this tennis thing? Why are you so obsessed with that? How about you take up something manly? Look at jiu-jitsu. Uh I box, bro. Oh yeah, you do, bro. Yeah, I go I go I go four rounds. Amazing. Don't Why are you looking at the last time you boxed? Ask Chris Vaneren. No, that's not the answer. That's not an answer to a question. Uh it was about I don't have to get all detailed stuff going on. Do you about It was about 3 weeks ago. Did you watch the UFC this weekend? I did. Did you Where were And by the way, not to brag. Yes. Not to brag, but I called

10:29every single fight, including the Rose Paige fight and the uh Frankie Edgar Edgar. Um, well, you didn't call the result. You didn't picked I picked the winners. I picked the winners. I don't think anybody I thought Frankie had a real good shot at decisioning. Like when my friends asked me like, "Who's going to win this? Who's going to win that?" I said, "Frankie has a real good shot at decisioning Chad, but Chad also has a good shot at knocking Frank." I thought if there's a knockout, it'd be Chad. The only reason I picked so hard, I mean, he knocked out Ricardo Llamas. I mean, he he bangs and he also loads up. Yes. You know, he's a power. I just figured I for me, I picked Frankie because I I knew Frankie wouldn't gas. And I think if anything, I thought if Chad had to keep up with Frankie's pace, he would gas toward, you know, Well, Chad actually came into this fight light

11:12because I think he anticipated that kind of pace that Frankie was going to put on him. So, I was talking to Justin Buckles and he said that Chad was way lighter for this fight. He did a ton of cardio. Like, he was embarrassed by the Connor fight that he gassed out so quick. obviously took that fight on two weeks notice, which is a joke. When you're a big guy like him and you got to cut weight to get down to 145, his entire camp is probably all about him losing weight, you know. But this this camp, he got in real good shape and he just got clipped. A lot of these fights are it's a tossup. Like, it's so close. The matchups were so close, so you could have went either way. So many people were so mad at me where after the the fight um they give suggestions like the UFC says um the truck will say who do you think should get the next shot in your ear? Yeah. They say it's

11:55the golden goalie ass. And so uh they had u this the footage based up for Frankie Edgar. And uh so I said um I said honestly I don't think that a rematch is the right Well, you definitely could do a rematch. The problem with doing a rematch is with Aldo, Conor McGregor and Aldo. The problem with doing a rematch is it'd be so hard to sell when a guy gets knocked out that quick. When you hype it up for as long as you did, you hype it up for two separate events, it dies off. And then the first punch Connor connects with it puts him out. But it's hard it's hard to sell that. But if you want to look at like like lineage and you look at look at his history, you'd say, "Yeah, a guy was a champion for 10 years. He should never he wants a But does he?" See, here's the thing. There's a giant list of people. People say that Kane got an immediate rematch after Jun

12:47Jun do Santos knocked him out, but he didn't. He fought Bigfoot Silva. He knocked out Bigfoot Silva and then he got a rematch. But traditionally traditionally in boxing, correct me if I'm wrong, we're not in boxing. We're not boxing that argument. Go off the UFC. So here here's the counter argument. I'm with you. As soon as some people were like rematch, I'm like, well, he just got merckked in 13 seconds. There's not much of a rematch. But if you look at the history of the UFC there, he should get a rematch just based off the the way they usually do things. So we look at we look at Barrow, right? We look at Barrow, he lost, immediate rematch. We look at Anderson Silva, immediate rematch. You know, there's there's ton in the history. Ronda Rousey, immediate rematch. Aldo's Yes. such a badass. He should get an immediate rematch according to what they've done before. Now, does it make

13:31sense? I don't think what they've done before is based I think a lot of it is based on like what kind of compelling contenders do they have for that title and especially compelling contenders where you look at their their style versus like the style of the guy who is now the current champion and if you wanted to pick like the most intriguing stylistic matchup I think it's Frankie Edgar Frankie Edgar a guy who fought at 55 won the title at 55 beat legends in BJ Penn just knocked out Chad Mendes this with one punch. Before that, beat the out of Cub Swanson. No doubt. I mean, he beat Uriah Faber. He's He's He's smooshed everybody they put in front of him for a few years now. He's a monster. But then how but how can you give someone say like Ronda an immediate rematch and make Holly wait? That's a very good question because you're saying and I'm not saying I'm not

14:21saying that Ronda should get an immediate rematch. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. You weren't. But for the most part, she's getting an immediate rematch, right? It's guaranteed. Well, that's the plan, but she has to pass the medical, make sure she's healthy and all that, but the plan is she's gonna get the rematch, but that's only financial. Like, financially, the Holly Holm fight with Ronda is the biggest fight for Holly Holm. Holly Holm is going to make like $7 million for the Ronda Rousey. If I was Holly Holm, I mean, she doesn't want to wait. She wants to stay active and I totally understand that. And I think, you know, it should be her prerogative as a champion to kind of choose, but financially that's the smart fight for her. Like it's she's going to make the most money. She does. She wants to fight Misha Tape before. Yes. That's what her and her camp want to do. And

15:07Misha wants that fight. UFC is saying no. So how can you grant This is all I'm saying. You can't play favorites cuz when the when the when the public smells favorites, then you're losing credibility. So if you give one champ favorites, is that favorites or is that smart financially? really good. What about Verdoom Kane? That's good rematch. Well, Kane and Verdoom were not going to have an immediate rematch. They offered Verdoom other fights and I don't know how they came to the conclusion of Kane fighting, but I apparently there was a bunch of other people in the mix and they came to settle on Kane. It might have been that it was Verdum's choice because financial reasons like the the Kane fight will be much more financially viable. I get it, man. So, what about Hen Bar? You know what I'm saying? You give Hen Bal, he's not a draw at all. But TJ whoops his ass like, "All right,

15:54this guy's been a champ for so long. We give him another." Well, I I see what you're saying that there should be consistency. There has to be I actually think Hold on. You don't know what you're talking about. You should be consistent. You You can't You can't play You know what I'm saying, Joe? Like, you can't play favorites when the such when you hold up your stay in your lane for a second. Hold up. You're interrupting him. So, but there just has to be some sort of consistency where you just can't play favorites. Well, this is good here. This is good here. You know what I'm saying? It's the same with the And Dame Mia brought this up. It's a great point. It's the same with the the rankings because who the where the are we rankings? Yeah. Here's one that doesn't make any sense to me. How come Uriah Hall knocked out Gageard Mousasi? But Gageard Mousasi was ahead

16:38of him in the rankings. Knocked him out of his last fight. There's a bunch like that. There's a bunch like that. That's the thing. So, but that's the most egregious in my opinion. There's been bigger ones that I've seen, but most of the fighters we laugh at the rankings. We used to laugh at the rankings. Like one and two, whatever. It takes It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out one, two. After that, who's voting on these fighters who votes on these things? It's the same thing with a lot of these title shots. I Okay, let me ask. You want to be taken serious? You It can't be WWE style. Let me ask you this. Do you think there's an inherent problem with the promotion being the UFC also being the ones who dictate what what who fights for titles? 100%. Because normally it's not like what do you mean by that? The WBC like is a a sanctioning body, right, for boxing. The

17:21WBC decides who's the mandatory contender and then Bob Arum or Don King or Golden Boy, those are the ones who promote the fight. The UFC is both, right? They're the sanctioning body and they're also the promoters of the fight. So, they have a vested interest in going with the best financial option. This is why Tyson Fury was just stripped of his heavyweight title. Tyson Fury just legitimately outboxed Vladimir Klitschko. Beat his ass just 100%. It's kind of weird clunky style. He has won every round. Won every round. Beat Vladimir Klitschko. Guys, lost in 10 years. And they had an immediate um uh defense of the title that they were imposing on him and he passed on. He said, "I'm not doing that." They stripped him of his title. This is within weeks of him beating Vladimir Klitschko for the title. So this is a drast drastic drastic contrast to what the UFC has. The UFC would say,

18:18"Look, you I don't care what the ratings are. You're fighting Vladimir Klitschko again because that's where all the money is, right? And that's what they would do." Well, think if the NFL and NBA did this, you'd or MLB if these other major leagues did this, you'd have the most popular teams. You'd have the Yankees in the playoffs all the time. You'd have the Cleveland. It's not a valid comparison. No, it's not because you're talking black and white. No, no, no. Because you're talking about teams. You're talking about teams versus individuals. It's not a valid comparison. Don't you think I disagree? I think you need to play for a championship, you have to go through a whole season. You go through a whole season, you have to win to even be in contention to play for the Super Bowl, to be in contention to play for the major leagues. True, but it's still not

18:57up in the world. It's very black and white. Win, you're in. But UFC is not black and white. Let me ask you guys a question about about Well, that's why it's not a valid comparison because you can't see if you want to get taken serious. You're going to have to come up with a formula where people can see the madness behind your reasoning like an algorithm or something, right? Yes. That's what Damen Mia was saying. Damen Mia was saying that after the the I think he's had like I don't know how many victories in a row he's had, but at welterweight he's been virtually like flawless. I mean, I think one person might have beaten him at welterweight. That's crazy. Who beat Damen Mia at welterweight? But look, Damemiah made a very good point. Dame Mia is so he's such a respectful gentleman and such a a a perfect representative of martial arts. That guy is a gem. The

19:42best. You see his quote? He goes, um, I I just do punching to set up my takedown so I can do jiu-jitsu because I don't want to hurt my opponent. I want to be able to train the next day. He goes, I just want to get in there and win by jiu-jitsu so I can go back train. They can go back to training. Wow. He's one of the good ones. that he's the young guy destroyer though. Hey, let's quit tossing these young upandcomers and he just rapes. No, but who cares about me Gunner? Just set it up. Set it up. Let him choke them all. Okay, so Rory McDonald beat him. That was the last guy at welterweight. And right before that was Jake Shields beat him, which was a great fight, man. But that was a split decision. Rory beat him. Unanimous decision. Split decisions are so weird because sometimes they are clear. You just got an idiot judge and I don't remember. How about Romero and Jocker?

20:30That was a very close fight. I thought I almost thought it was going to be a draw or split decision for Well, I thought it could have been a draw because I I think Yoel definitely got a 10-8 round the first round, but the question is will they scored a 10-8 round? When you got a guy completely on queer street, he's spinning back fist him in the jaw. knock him. And Joy was he got up to his after he took a prolonged beating on the ground. He got he got hit with some bombs by Yoel. He gets up to go to his corner and he is on wobbly legs. Like they could have easily stopped the fight. And I was thinking that they might should have stopped the fight. But Jacare being the stud that he is came back and reestablished himself in the second round partially because Yoel gassed. Cuz Yoel, who looks like a superhero, the most ridiculous. Good for not good for three. Three

21:23minutes. Exactly. That's why That's why if he fights If he fights Luke Rockold and tries to go five rounds, this is my thing, Joe. You can't give I I thought after that fight, whoever wins, you can't give those guys a title shot. There's You do Weidman Rockold two. You don't give the winner that fighter title shot. I don't think. Uh I think you can make a real good point to that. Um, but this sort of contradicts what you said about having a very clear algorithm as far as like who becomes the number one contender and who fights who. But this is the thing. I'm going based off past UFC history. You know what I think they should do? I really think this I think there should be a way where people sign in on Facebook, you know, like you sign in using your Facebook so we know you're a real person and the public votes. Then you also have the media vote. You have the mixed martial

22:08arts media like the the guys who like the Golden Globes almost. Yeah, something like that. And then you have fighters vote. So you have a good idea. So just like how you have three judges that score a fight, you have three sources that you use to to pick who the contenders are. That's a good idea and who the number one contender is. I like it. That's a wisdom of crowds. I I think it's a bad idea and I I think it's going to lead to a lot of trouble if you just leave it up to the UFC brass to make a lot of I don't know. I don't I don't even though I work for the UFC and I've worked for the UFC forever. Like people ask me questions. I don't know. I don't know. Look, when I get I don't know who the does it. I don't know who makes the rankings. I don't know When I get to work, this is what I do when I get to the UFC. I say hi to everybody. I hug everybody. I get excited. I go, I

22:49can't believe this. I I start going over the the matchups. I I um I've already watched video on everybody in the card pretty much by then. And when I say I don't do research, I'm kind of full of But it's not that I don't I don't do it as research. I just do it because I go, "Oh, Kobe Cington, how's he how's he going to handle this dude? This guy got a nasty Weary Alves got a wicked guillotine. Like if they go if if he tries to take this kid to the ground, he's going to shoot for that double. He's going to get caught in that guillotine. It's not your job. Alves is a nasty kickboxer. He's going to want to take this guy down. But it's it is my job sort of. But I shouldn't know like the rankings and how everyone decides. But I'm just saying that I would I would do everything that I do even if I wasn't working for the UFC just cuz I'm I'm freaking out about

23:32these events and that's just what I get into. But let me hold on a second. But I don't know what the is going on besides that. When I get there, when I show up, I say my highs, I get my they put the mic on me, I high five Goldberg, we hug each other. Here we go. You know what the thing is, though? I don't know what's going on. We care more about your opinion than, you know, especially the public. Well, some people are mad though. This is what we got into the beginning that I said that I don't think that it's smart to have Aldo fight right away. My opinion is that first of all, Aldo got knocked dead. Okay. When you get knocked dead like that, you need a long time off. You need at least 6 months off. Conor McGregor could fight next Tuesday. Yes. And I think that Frankie Edgar could also fight next Tuesday. I also think that that fight will be bananas. And for a fan, I am so excited

24:24to watch that fight because I think Frankie has a really dangerous style for a guy like Connor who's taken down repeatedly by Chad Mendes. True. This he's a nasty wrestler. His cardio is off the chain. His footwork is fantastic. He's got Mark Henry in his corner. They're going to come up with a badass game plan between Kenry Henry and Kavanaaugh and Frankie who's a winner and Connor who's a winner. Godamn. Right. What do you What would you be most excited about? Are you ready for this? Yes. Cowboy to beat Dos Sanchos. Dos Sanchos. Connor in Dublin in front of 80,000 fans. Oh yeah. 100% 100% 100%. You're right. Think about marketing. You're right. The title Donald Cerrone Connor. I know. But here's the problem. My dick is let me just say the giant if. Yeah. Hafel dos anos is a beast. And I think those two are going to clash. And who knows what's going to

25:18happen. Especially since Dosan just beat Cowboy the first fight. I think it's going to be a wild wicked fight. Drug testing. You're right. Oh, drug testing. Did you just say there's going to be that's the effect? But wait, wait, let's take me back for a second. Let me say one thing about you got to give Jos Aldo a rematch in my opinion for two reasons. One, I think that at the end of the day, he was the champion for 10 years and if anybody's earned a shot. Two, I know I believe I think Conor McGregor is has a secret, which is he's he's watching these guys strike and knows something they don't know. He's he somehow I don't know. Two doesn't matter. Hold on. Hold on. Because that's just saying who you think is going to win. What I'm saying is this. When you knock a champion who's been that dominant and that good for 10 years out in 14 seconds, there is the

26:06question. There is a question which is was that in some ways a fluke? Did he make one mistake and pay for it, which can happen in MMA with those small gloves? Does he get another shot to at least Conor goes, he's going to come out extremely aggressive. I'm going to counter. I know that it see him warming up in the dressing room and then in contrast like a split screen with him warming up right next to the actual fight itself. He was preparing exactly for that maneuver. He's mimicking he's mimicking Aldo's face first movement and he does this little slight step to his right hand side. He makes an adjustment. He throws the first left hand. The first land doesn't land. So if you watch him him moving, he throws that sidekick to the leg. Then he makes a very slight step to the right. Aldo moves to the right hand, counters him with the left. Boom. He knows something that that's

26:58what I'm saying is I think that he would fight him again and knock him out again. But that doesn't that's irrelevant. But I think I think the champion gets a rematch. I mean, I think he deserves it. I really do. Jose, here's the thing. It's It ties up the title for a long time and you have all these contenders. Yeah. You have an amazing list of contenders. How about this? How about you have Jose Aldo fight Max Holloway and you have a great fight between one of the top contenders and Max Holloway. This young, exciting kid, 24 years old, beating everybody. Just figured out Jeremy Stevens. He's elusive. He's slick. He puts on a show. He's a He has crazy cardio. He's driven and fired up and you can't quite have him fight for the title yet because Frankie's ahead of him. And it's, you know, the division is super exciting. Frankie cleared the way, man. Frank

27:47Frankie was pissed he didn't get the shot when Chad got it after he beat Uriah. He they thought that Frankie his safety first style against Uriah was boring. He wanted decision. He didn't try to finish him. Chad went out and blew Ricardo Llamas out of the water. Chad gets the shot and Frankie is like, "What the Look what I did to Cub Swanson. Look what I did to all these other people. So then what does he do? He goes out there and takes it out on Chad. Merks him. Puts him away. In my opinion, like as a fan, I'm excited to see that. Do I think here's another thing I really believe this wholeheartedly. And I think this is a very important point. Fighters should wait a long time after they get knocked out like that. True. He got cleaned. He got flatlined. And then he got hammerfisted while he was out. True. He he got up and he was asking what happened. What he was putting his hands

28:36up. He's going I don't know what he was saying because he was speaking in Portuguese because he was shaking his head and they were nodding their head. They were saying yes it happened. He goes, "No, no, no." And they were going, "Yes, yes, yes." Here's the other thing, Joe, that a lot of people aren't talking about. I hate to be a stickler and I took some for saying this. You're batshit crazy if you don't think Jose Aldo's body looked different. You're batshit crazy if you think he's going to fight the same. Also, and all these people want to give me all the for it. His camp I think is one and seven 0 and8 since his drug testing came out. So you're talking about a different fighter man. A completely different fighter. So for me that's a huge X factor. There was a leaked audio from inside the truck of me saying that um someone got when the when the audio goes

29:18out there's audio feed when the main event happens and when that main event audio feed goes out they um anybody could listen to it that it is picking up the feed to air it and broadcast. M and I said that his body looked deflated. It looked smooth. Wow. And that um I felt like he looked really nervous. I said he looked nervous as And I said I don't want to jump to conclusions. He might just be doing a lot of cardio, which is possible because one of Aldo's big problems and Dana White has said this a perfect way of describing it that Aldo's the very best fighter ever for two rounds and then he would always gas and then he would always sort of coast like Ricardo Llamas. He beat the out of Llamas in the first round. the end of the fifth round, Ricardo Llamos was on top grounding pound too. Mark Homik, same goddamn thing. Well, he was on antibiotics with homminic, but yeah,

30:03for staff, I think. So, that was I never heard that. He was I think when he fought homminic, he had just done he'd had staff and he Google that, Jame, see if that's true. Um, but but but well, how about Luke Rockold won the title on on antibiotics. Denny Propos won his first match in EBI yesterday. Um, he had was dying of staff. in the hospital. Denny was in the hospital for weeks. Like Denny was dying on sta from staff just a couple weeks. Were you surprised by the by Luke's domination like that? Totally surprised. Yeah, totally surprised by a lot of things. We we totally should get to that. But um the I I don't know if Aldo had concentrated more on cardio or if he had gotten off steroids, but I do know and this is with non-specific. There is a huge problem in MMA with steroids. is a huge problem and that problem is being cut away like cancer by this new program by Jeff

31:01Nitzky. I also know that they tried to test Aldo and camp and Aldo's people had the cops pulled on these people. They wanted to get him kicked out of the country. They were trying to deport them out of the country. Then when they finally did give him a urine sample, he tripped and spilled his piss. Is this not weird to anyone? That's insane. It doesn't take away and spilled piss in my entire career of piss have the thing is piss in cups all the time. It it doesn't take it turns out feathery alder was recovering from an undisclosed infection. It was on antibiotics. Call you guys. Come on guys. Well the thing is you should know that it doesn't take away every anything that all has done in his career. Even if he is I'm not saying he's never failed a test so who knows we needed Lance Armstrong. There you go. All I'm saying is all I'm saying is and same with Lance Armstrong. Same with

31:49baseball. The guys throwing the pitch are on some Everyone's on some Aldo's great. No matter whether he's on it or not, he's greatness. Listen, Jose Aldo is one of the greatest pound-for-pound fighters ever. Ever. Ever. And to go on a 10-year run like that, you know, and the UFC has said like, hey, you know, he plays it safe and he goes to decisions. He shouldn't do that. But you know what else? He's great. But here's the thing, he wins. and like him risking losing like to unload on somebody like Uriah Faber did like Uriah Faber fought Frankie SCS and Uriah sort of faded in that fight but the reason why he faded is cuz he landed a bomb on Frankie SCS rocked him and then went after him. That Frankie SC guy is tough as cuz that this is a 35-year-old guy who's got like one other fight in the UFC maybe two. Okay, and then he's fighting Uriah Faber. Okay. Which is

32:43crazy. He's ranked 13. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's But Uriah Faber is like one of the most experienced guys and one of the best guys ever to not win a UFC title, right? He's only lost title fight. Yeah. So, he he bombs on this guy and nails him with a a a knee to the I think it was a temple. Hurts him. Hurts him bad. I mean, the kid is all over the place and Uriah's unloading on him. And somehow the guy survives and then Uriah's like he's like, "Oh boy." You know, you can see on his face like Jesus. He took a deep breath and kind of looked at the clock like you you know better than anybody that when you unload like that that's never how anybody fights. So when you unload like that you're going all in. You're pushing all your chips and this guy just pulls out four aces. You're like boom That's when you got to use Carwin Lesnar is the perfect example palm strike. You

33:30guys never use palm strike from the How about Uriah goes our friendship's done. TJ Dillashaw. Uriah what? Well, he was he was saying it's going to be like Rocky and the good guys going to win. Wait, why? What happened? Him and TJ, they had a falling out because TJ went to Muscle Farm. Muscle Farm offered him Damn it. I don't follow the Well, the reason one of the reasons why TJ went to Muscle Farm is two reasons. One, money, but two, Dwayne Lewig. Yeah, Dwayne Lwig and TJ have a fantastic working relationship. Dwayne Lewig is a he's got some crazy mental disorder that makes him concentrate on fighting every single second of every day. I think he's got a running thing. I think he could be hanging out with his wife, going to the movies, eating dinner, talking about baseball. In the back of his head, he's watching counteright hands, leg kicks, movements, obsession. He's like the

34:21Rainman of fighting. He's obsessed, man. He's obsessed. And that's exactly what you want from a trainer. TJ recognizes that. and his personality and Dwayne's personality jive. Whereas Uriah's personality and Dwayne's personality were water and oil. They clashed hardcore. And Uriah never wanted to have anything to do with that guy. He was like, "Fuck this guy." And and Dwayne and him didn't get along. And Dwayne was like, "Fuck him." And they argued about stupid And you know, here's something that a lot of people don't know. There was a point in time where we were considering buying that gym on it was going to On it. Yeah. We're going to we were going to buy the Ultimate Training Center. we were thinking about buying it and and making that team like an on it team and we were we were talking to those guys about how to make this work but it was right when they

35:03were starting to go at it when Dwayne and Uriah were trying to go at it and we were like first of all there's the like I was going to have to figure out like how how would I do this and be impartial right to do you know difficult you're like I love Cowboy Cerrone I love that guy he's awesome I hang out with him when I'm in Denver he's the best the best amazing personality. He's just I just want to hug him when I see you want to be around Cowboy and he's just a true badass to to his bone. I I I respect I deeply respect Hafael dos Anjos. I think he's a great fighter. I think he's a great guy. I when I see him he's very friendly and uh you know I was um who who was telling me that uh they were um who the was it? God damn it. I'm drawing a blank. Someone was telling me that they they were um hanging out with him somewhere and he was like helping them out and telling them where the best

35:53places to eat with me in Brazil. Oh, that's right. It was Thank Jesus Christ. Me, brother. Oh my god. I feel like the nicest guy ever. I also do UFC now with him every now and then. He's a great guy. But so I have to be completely impartial, you know? I have to I have to figure out how to separate myself. But is it even can you even ask can I ask myself to do that if I owned a gym and I had fighters that were fighting against guys who were like you're a team that you own basically. You know what I mean? I don't know man. So everybody always thinks that they're always going to feel people are always going to feel like you're biased in some way or another. If they find if they if you're rooting for if they're rooting for someone and you're calling the fight against that person that they're rooting for, they're going to consider it some sort of I think you do. I've never seen

36:36I've never heard you be biased when you Oh, when I fought Arloski, you were like, "Fuck that Russian." I was like, "Oh Joe. Damn, dog. Take his ass down." No one's ever been harder than you. It's the hard hardest fights ever to call cuz like you know when you lost to Travis, like I was broken up, man. It was hard. You turned to me and you said, "At least he didn't get hurt." That's the important thing. It was hard. That was hard. Ken was right behind me. He was sitting right behind me. That was a hard fight. I remember when the Arloi fight came in, you're like close. What the Well, it was close. It was super close. Super close fight, man. But again, you know, it's it's a tricky So, but so this is all we're just talking about Dwayne and and Uriah, like they just didn't get along, which is so it's so it's such a bummer because if their personalities did like I almost felt

37:29like, man, if there's a middleman here that comes in and sorts all this like what I felt like, what is the issue? Is this a financial thing? A personality thing. two alphas personalities, guys, guys who get territorial, guys who want Uriah is a really strong personality and he's also like super organized and super successful and super focused. Like Uriah is like, you know, he's a very admirable person. Like when you watch like how he conducts business and also look at the tight-knit bond that he's created with his team. Yeah. You know, you only create that kind of a bond when you're that kind of a leader. Yeah. You know, and that's what he is. And so for him, when TJ took off and went to this muscle farm camp, I'm sure there was like a knife in his back. It was devastating. Well, TJ and your eyes should fight no matter what happens with TJ and Dominic Cruz. That

38:20fight has to happen. You really think so? I'm so excited to teach for the excitement of it, the backstory. We love a good story. You know what I'm saying? be so dumb. Yeah, we do. I I want that Dominic Cruz TJ fight might be one of the greatest fights. What if Dominic What if Dominic wins and then Uriah and TJ fight for number one contender status? But Uriah and Dominic have a history, too. That's not a bad story either. It's not a bad story. Can you can you think of another more compelling contender that would be ahead of Uriah besides TJ? Like say if Dominic beats TJ or well whoever wins that fight who would be next in line for the title instead of Uriah. Who else? Pen and brow. Isn't it hard? You could make the argument, but he's have to win again. He got destroyed in his last fight. TJ didn't just destroyed. TJ didn't just beat him. He lit him up with a like a

39:15Christmas tree, covered him with gasoline, and lit him on fire. Drug testing. Yeah, drug testing. And threw him threw him off a cliff. I mean, there was no there was not a moment in that fight other than the first initial exchanges where he was like fired up and like bully BJ. I feel like I feel like TJ and Dominic Cruz have such similar styles. I almost feel like like Dwayne watched a lot of Dominic Cruz fights and kind of I mean, am I wrong about that? Well, there's a lot of guys that are employing that sort of neo footwork movement now, but I think Dominic was the best at it the earliest. He's he's so elusive. It's like so like like you get used to a guy like here's a different weight class but there's a a quintessential like Muay Thai style style striker like Thiago Silva stands right in front of you and he's got that rhythm and he's you know he's not not mobile. Then you got the

40:05complete polar opposite which is like Connor. Connor is like like when you see Connor fighting Aldo he's sliding in, he's sliding out. Like he's very difficult to judge. In my opinion the best ever at that is Dominic. Donic's all over the place. Like, he's moving. He's sliding. He's over here. He's over there. And you're trying to figure out when you can unccort a punch. Like, good luck timing that guy. Have you ever had a conversation with Dominic? No. Very, very smart guy. Have the highest MMA IQ I've ever seen. Wow. I agree with you. I agree with you. He's my favorite. He's my favorite out of those guys that breaks down fights and analyzes what went wrong and why I went wrong. And he's he's a real student. Uh, one time, uh, Dominic and Chel Sona and myself went to Unbreakable gym and we were training with Ches before Chale's fighting Jon Jones and we were training

40:49Chale and Dominic was breaking things down. I was like, "Holy God, this kid's an oracle." And also, he's had all this time. He's had all this time while he's been injured to think and work on things. And he's not It's not like he's stopped paying attention to MMA. Like, he's he's been focusing on it. Whereas, you know, if he hadn't been injured, he'd be in camps getting ready for fights. Like, almost might have benefited his MMA IQ to have that time off and to be obsessed with returning. What about his hands? He tore both ACL's and you've had that surgery. Can you get are when you get ACL surgery nowadays, is it is your knee as strong sometimes? Stronger. It's stronger. Stronger. Quite a bit stronger. My My right knee has a cadaavver graft. It had a cadaavver graft and what the cadaavver graft does is they take an Achilles tendon which is way thicker than a regular ACL and then

41:44they put it in place and then your body repoliferates that it acts as a scaffolding and your not stem cells your body's grows like they reest they connect it and your body starts putting blood through it and then growing new tissue. Wow. So your your ACL becomes your own. Like I had a I had a cadaavver graft, but those cells are not cadaavver cells that are in my knee. Those are my cells, but it's way thicker than it would have been. It's 150% stronger than a regular AC. So So that that's the case maybe with Dominic's knees now. He tore the same one twice and then tore the other one. Well, he also he to he tore one twice, tore the other one, then he tore his groin. Yes. And he broke both his hands. He's he's he's a fragile guy. Like when I had him on um one of those UFC interview shows, he was joking around. I was showing me scars in his hands. He's got I got

42:37hands. Just it is what it is. This guy Great Cook, this guy Gray Cook does full like the NFL now has what's called a full body screening or some functional body screening. The UFC's got that now too at their new campus cuz they were finding they would bring him in and he would find like they have all amazing athletes and one guy kept tearing he'd run and he kept tearing his groin. He kept hearing the tendon that attached his like to his pelvis to his quad and they couldn't figure it out. And he's the guy who comes in and goes, "I know what the problem is. You're offbalance. One side of your body is stronger than the other." And that's a huge issue. It's really common. Yes. So now they'll training centers around you know basically finding out where you're weak and you know you know that with pitchers u because you know you throw in with one arm and kickers like NFL kickers they

43:25have real problems with that like back problems and cuz you're always kicking that one leg the same way for Dominic though it's years of wrestling then he's a champion forever he's only had one loss he's it adds up you can chalk it up to imbalance No man. The only guy ever beat him was Uriah. Uriah caught him with a guillotine. So, well, Uriah gets your neck. You giant. People forget Don Mcruz beat Demetrius Johnson. He beat DJ. Did he? They did. Damn. But they also forget that was DJ that didn't live anywhere near Matt Hume. He was coming into town once a week. This is a fact. He wasn't training. Like the the Ian McCall fight was the big turnaround for DJ. Um and I had him on the podcast. He talked about it cuz you know Ian rattled his cage and he hurt him. He had vertigo after that fight. He was pretty up. And um Matt Hume pulled him aside and said, "Look, you got to stop

44:17around. Like we got to do this or you should maybe get an education. Like you should figure out what the you're going to do with your life, but this ain't it. Like you got to figure it out." And so he went all in. Moved near the the gym and now he's there 5 days a week. And look at him now. He's saying Dom beat him. That's all I'm saying. Different one though and different weight class different guy now. Yeah, I mean Demetri is a tiny guy. He's much smaller than Dominic. Dom's tiny too though. He is thin but he's taller and longer and bigger and like 135 is a cut for him. Demetrius Johnson has to put a rock in his pocket to make 135. Wow. He's not a big They're both different fighters. Completely different. Totally different fighters. They're much better now. Both of them are. Both of them are better now. I'm so excited for that fight. I'm going to be there. It's in

45:00January. Boston, right? Yep. TJ Are you doing the Florida card tomorrow or next week rather? Yeah, this weekend, Friday, Saturday, whatever it is. Yeah, that's a good card. That's a good card. Really good card. That's versus I mean, not Olowski. Juno Dos Santos versus Alistister Overim is on that card, too. Diaz Johnson. Mhm. Yeah. Michael Johnson versus Nate Diaz. Jury's on that fight card, too. Miles Miles Jury, is he? Is Miles Jury down to 145 now? Yeah. Do Anos. Look at the size of Doanjo's head. Look at that head. Yeah. My lord. Jury. Yeah, it is. Jury Olivia. It's a fight. My card. CB Dollway. Oh my god. I didn't even know that was on the card. Hey Nate, is that it? What do you want to tell him? Stop. I love him. It's been rough watching him the last few fights. Do you think CB CB just chases after him, puts it to him? Yes. Yeah. You kind of got it, right? Yeah. That's what you

45:58do. That's how you beat Nate. get on his back foot and throw bombs. He just seems like he's absorbed so much punishment after the la over the last few years. It's a bummer, man. It is a bummer. CB's been on he was on a streak till he got dealt with. Yeah, I mean CB uh Leoto beat him. He hurt him with that body kick bad. And uh who else beat him? The Doberman. Leoto really him up. That was that's what ended his streak. That left kick, man. That left kick of Leo. This card's super interesting, man. Do Santa's over him. I don't know what to tell you. again. Testing is going to be a Is that what you think? 100%. This fight should have happened three years ago when it was all the wild wild west. I thought they fought I thought they fought before. Didn't they fight before? Is this the first time they're fighting? No, Brian. This is the first time they're fighting. How do you know so

46:41much about Markick versus Jose? I know. I'll tell I'll make another call. I'll tell you something else. I'll tell you something else. I'll tell you something else. I'd like to see You're going to The guy's going to laugh at me. I'd like to see something. I'd like to see my boyfriend. I'm going to say it. I'd like to see my boyfriend. and he is my boyfriend Luke Rockold and my best friend cuz I've had dinner with him and hung out with him. Uh I'd like to see him fight Jon Jones. I said it, but he he's the he just won the middleweight title. Hey man, I know what he won, bro. Can you ask him to leave? I know what he won. Hey, John. John is going whatever weird fantasy that you have in your head. Yeah, it is fantasy So stay out of my head cuz it's dirty. So stay out of my head. But it's, you know, when you see uh Weidman versus Rockold and then Weidman wanted to fight Jon Jones for

47:27the light heavyweight title. Yeah, Weidman's movement wasn't the same. We Weidman looked off to me. He lost a lot of weight. He was uh in the 190s and Why you looking at me like that? I'm just I don't think so. Me neither. I think he I think that was a strategy where he said, "I'm going to I'm going to give me that. He's on steroids like but that's just not the guy." No, this is the something's up. Something's up. I think I think Wyman I think Wyman said I'm going to come in there. I'm going to be light. I'm going to hit him with a pace, a cardio pace, and I'm going to wear him down. He didn't move. Well, that's he did. I think he did do that. I think that was what he was trying to do. I mean, he was throwing a lot of like not full power kicks to the body, but a lot of a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure with his grappling. He just up throwing that wheel kick, man. Stay in your lane,

48:08son. Oh my god. What the are you doing? That was one of the biggest mistakes in the history of MMA and championship fights. talking about like it's not like a mistake like you know you go throw a a leg kick and you get countered with the right hand you get hurt that's normal stuff this is a crazy acrobatic move that he's not good at that cost you the fight yeah he probably was right because that's what knocked out rock maybe he thought he's a sucker for wheel kicks but the grind is working for when he's taking him down it's starting to work starting to wear Luke out especially that we knew Luke was on antibiotics yeah keep doing that think he knew I don't He He knew that his Luke's pace was slowing down, right? You could tell. I think what happened was he realized that he was a lot stronger than Chris Weidman. He's he looked just stronger, bigger, and I think he went, "You know

48:56what? I wrestle with Kane Velasquez and and uh Daniel Cormier. I'm stronger and bigger than this guy." And that's what happened. I think he just started. That's not what happened at all. He he caught him. He made a mistake and he took him down. Like he threw a wheel kick and literally gave his body up. Yeah, he got taken down and when Rockhold gets you on the ground, his top game is nasty. Super nasty. You saw it against Leota Machito. Like, I would like to see Rock Hold in just straight up Brazilian jiu-jitsu competition. I bet he is at a very high level, I just think that that's why I'd like to see a rematch. Say that back kick doesn't happen, we got a hell of a fight on our head. That's a hell of a fight anyway cuz that back kick that happened in the third round. I mean, this is a fourth round stoppage. And I had it one to one. Yeah, I had it one to one. It was a really

49:40good fight. It's not like, you know, Weidman came out, guns blazing face first and Rockhold connected with straight left with like Connor and Aldo. This was like a war and then at the end of the war, you know, I mean, Rockold got the advantage, never let it go, but he was also hitting Weidman in the face more. I feel like he was I feel as though he was kind of standing on the edge of that pocket and he was he has hands down and I I felt like Rockhole seemed so confident. Maybe he was gassed, but he looked like he was just confident enough to just he knew where those shots were coming and they would counter. He was hitting him in the face more. Well, Widman was pressuring him and he was kicking him his body. It looked like Widman was putting more pressure on were really paying off to the body. He's throwing a lot of body kicks. So were Luke's though in the

50:21beginning of the fight they were hard, but then after he he didn't like land any flush. Oh god, he kicks hard. God your cage side. What does that look like? It must be He's one of the hardest kickers in the division for sure. Rocko's long. And you know what's interesting? When I talked to Javier Mendes, I said, "Did he have a traditional martial arts background?" He goes, "Nope. He came to me when he was 17." I'm like, "That's crazy." Yeah. Because when you watch like the flexibility and dexterity, like the looseness of his legs, like when he throws that question mark kick off the front leg, he's so loose. Cerrone style. Yeah. Yeah. It's like like Cerrone's had Muay Thai for years and years. But look at Rockhole's genetics. His dad was a professional basketball player. His brother's a professional surfer and you have this monster just looming waiting to find

51:07something. Then he found his call in MMA. I think what we get I think what what we're starting to see is we're getting guys who are martial artists but they're really good athletes and that's who's taking over. Holly home freak athlete. Jon Jones freak athlete. Look at all of them. All these I think you're totally right. Rockold freak athlete. Yep. I think you're totally right. I think um but it's just so shocking to me out of all those that I see well Holly obviously has a long extensive kickboxing background under WL John is a fantastic trainer but the thing that freaks me out the most about Rockhold is the the the flexibility and dexterity of his legs that takes so long to develop that kind of whip you know like his kicks aren't just hard like Weidman has strong kicks they're strong like he throws them but there's a stiffness to him that Rockhole doesn't have

51:53Rockhole's got like a taekwond do thing going big. He's a big guy. He was he was 216 in in in San Jose when we were hanging out. I said, "How much do you weigh?" He's like 216. Of course I did. I I took him in your face. I took him in. I took him in. Don't kid yourself. Had my hand on his back a couple times. I'm not making this up either. Brian came back from hanging out with Luke, got his haircut just like him. I went, "What the are you doing?" He goes, "Bro, I was around Luke, so I wanted to get my haircut like him." You're 48 copying a man. I looked him in the eye and I went, "I got tear cut exactly like Luke. We go to a bar and I looked at him. I went and we caught eyes and I looked at him and I went, "How tall are you?" And he goes, he smiled and he went, "63." And I go, "Of course you are." And I looked at his hair and I go, "I don't like how you got deeper with

52:39your voice." Creep. We had a moment, guys. We had a moment. And then I went right to Super Cuts for $12. $12. And I go, I want my haircut and I look terrible. A picture of Luke Rock that you prince fingers. My friend Tark, who trains Luke, goes, "Hey, Ken's here. I think you would suck Luke's dick if we asked him to." You can take You can take I think. You can take I think out of that sentence. All right, I'll do it just as a goof. Don't tell anybody. What a shocking moment. What a shocking turn of event. That one wheel kick changes the entire fight. Did you see Chris crying? Yeah. Was also the the pressure that Rockhold put on him, I think, surprised Weidman. Like when Rockold mounted him and you're for sure not gonna eat those on camera. I would never eat those. When Rockold mounted him and and he couldn't get him off of him. I think he was shocked. Especially when you know Widman

53:30has really good jiu-jitsu. And when he felt Rockhold's pressure, I think he's just It's first time we've he's ever been taken down. First time his back's been on the mat. He's like, "Oh, he's stronger. He's stronger than he technique, too, though. His technique was superior." It was amazing to see. Yeah, it was amazing to see. He's a beast. And I think there's You can't underestimate the benefit of training with Daniel Cormier and Kane Velasquez, the heavyweight, former heavyweight champion and the light heavyweight champ. Dude, there's a chance they're going to have there's a chance they could have the heavyweight champ, light heavyweight champ, and now middleweight champ all training together. All came up together. How crazy is that? It is a possibility. But the light heavyweight, you got to put a little asterisk next to Well, I'm just saying right now, son.

54:13I'm just saying right now, you got to pull a little aster little. No, that Especially now. Now that John's straight off, I follow him on Instagram and I watch him. I'm nervous. I throw my phone away. I run out the door. I don't want to be around him. It's crazy. John's a monster right now. He's He's also a monster that's overcoming a really bad moment in his life. And he's on the straight and narrow now. He's on the path. He got scared. Well, he should be. And those are good things to happen to you. You know, sometimes, you know, I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I love a comeback story. I I like a guy who who does the right thing and gets it all together and I I love that. But I also like a guy who his life up and then pulls it all together. I think you need that darkness though. Like I I don't think Jon should be someone who he's not. You know what I'm

54:59saying? Like doing all this stuff is great, but be the heel man. Be the Joker the UFC and destroy people. I think he wants to be Jon Jones. I don't think John thinks of himself as a bad guy. And I don't think he is a bad guy. I think he's a young guy who's trying to have fun and he's made some mistakes. That's what I think. I I don't think he's a bad person. I don't think he's a bad person. I don't think he's a bad person. I think he's a far cry from Holly Holm. You know what I'm saying? You're right. Holly far from Holly home is the perfect represent. I talked to her after the fight. Nice person of all time. Yeah. After the Oh, she's might be easily. I talked to her after the fight this weekend and you know, we're t hanging out her and her husband. We I said, "Congratulations. How's it feel?" She's like, "It just still feels weird. It doesn't feel real.

55:41I'm doing so many." She goes like, "But I don't even want to think about it." She goes, "I just want to get back to training cuz I don't want to get a big head." And you know, and she she knows the traps, right? And we were talking about the fight and she was, you know, saying, she said, "Look, the reality is what happened tonight to Jose Alder could have happened to me. It could happen to anybody." She goes, "You get caught with a punch and you get knocked out. It's happens." She's been the sport too long, I think, to get a big head. I think she realizes the traps and she's been fighting for world champions before. So, she doesn't want to fall in that same kind of rut that Ronda did. Also, if you're going to give this fight to, let's say they do do it in July, July, whatever, the UFC 200, you give Holly 6 months to know exactly what Ronda brings to the table and train for

56:22it. Come up with a better game plan than she had before and make sure that her conditioning is on point, make sure her body is healthy, rehabilitate any possible injuries she might have had. She just has to make sure she doesn't overtrain. But you got to remember Rhonda's shooting movies. Holly, but when has anybody ever overt trained at Jackson Winkle, John? They're super smart about that kind of Jackson is really smart about strategy. He's really smart about preparation. They've got some hardcore training ethics in that gym. Oh, yeah. And of course, you got WLJ who's Winkl John was a fantastic kickboxering and he's a really good coach. And Jackson is a really good strategist and they've got excellent training partners and you've got all this motivation. Think about their lineup. You got Greg Jackson, right? He's like the Yoda of MMA. He's been doing it forever. He's a

57:10genius game planner. Then you got Winkl John who's a phenomenal coach obviously. And then you got Izzy who does the wrestling who does Jon Jones Martinez. Izzy's a out of Chicago man. Outstanding wrestling instructor. He's good friends with my buddy Justin Milos who's my trainer. Yeah. all that experience game planning for for somebody just you know it's becoming what I love about MMA now is that it it really is about your team like just the brains behind you as well just the strategy has to be it has to be there are no lone wolves anymore you know and I had a conversation with John before he moved to Albuquerque we had this conversation we may or may not have been smoking marijuana and uh we were in my hotel room in Montreal and he was you know before he won the title like way before and I said look dude I So, you're an incredibly talented guy, but you got

57:59to get all the right people. The only way to do it right, you can't do it on your own. Cuz there's going to be a guy like you who's also incredibly talented, and that guy's going to have the best team effort, and that guy's going to get the best training partners, and that guy's going to have the best strategist, and that guy's going to beat you. And he might just beat you by an edge, but that edge you could have overcome if you had all that same coaching. And I think a guy like John also, he grew up with two super athlete brothers, one older, one younger. And I think he recognizes that he's he might be special compared to the average person to his brother, but not even in his own house. His own his brother Arthur was doing MMA on the side like while he was playing for the NFL and beating John's ass. God, I mean, and he's a heavyweight champ in high school,

58:43his brother just wrestling the out of John. And then the youngest brother is one of the best players in the NFL. What the First round draft pick. So I think I want in John had a unique point of view as to what freak athleticism really is and about hard work and talent, you know, and just I think he he just was getting by in the UFC without having to go 100%. As far as his training preparation, his 100's going to be horrific if he really does get if he really he'll be the best of all time. Didn't he say the worst thing that happened to him was not training for August and beating him anyway? Didn't he say that? That's probably where he was like he said it was trouble. He was just like, "God, I can I can do this and still get away with it." He said it added and he was like, "Fuck it. I'll just keep doing it cuz I just beat this guy who trained the best camp he's ever had in his life and

59:27I did nothing and still beat him." Such a freak. I'll tell you what, how many how many fighters going to uh incorporate a movement coach now after Connor doing all that They're making fun of him before I've been obsessed with Patara for a long time. Well, I'm I'm obsessed with him and I'm also obsessed with that guy that um Carlos Condet uses. He does that move stuff. I was watching a video on him training today. See if you can find it. I think I I'm pretty sure I retweeted it. Um, but he does all this crazy like he's like doing chin-ups with uh trees, like hanging off of trees and he's doing balance uh beam stuff and they're throwing uh sticks at him and he's catching them while he's balancing on stuff. He's he's even doing training specifically for bow hunting. He's got like reps that he does for bow hunting while he's squatting and standing up while holding a bow posture like to try

60:17to like solidify his balance in precarious positions on hillsides. I do that every morning. Like here's like some of the weird stuff that Carlos is doing. I mean Carlos is a really smart guy. Really articulate. So when he talk like let's play this so we could hear. Bring it to the beginning. Bring it to the beginning. He's also been doing the same training for about 20 years. So, this must be nice. Bring it to the beginning first, please. There you go. When somebody's watching a fight, there's the punches, the kicks, the takedowns, the grappling. But what people are less aware of is, you know, for a fighter to be in correct position to execute a strike effectively. They need to have mastery of their movement, of their position, of their balance. I think that's really what separates the elite fighters from somebody who's, you know, good enough. Irwin and I have been training for about

61:137 to 8 months. So people listening, he's doing he's walking on a log out balancing on a log. I think one of the most challenging things about training in nature is the unpredictability. He's talking about how he suffered an ACL miniscus tear while fighting. move definitely accelerated my recovery in that I was not only doing these movements and these different stretches in physical therapy but also in my training sessions when Irwin and myself started training. He looked at some of my previous fights and he saw some things that my head coach Greg Jackson saw independently. They saw the same exact thing. But what was great with working with Irwin and working in the the Movement app program is he specifically had exercises and drills to make those changes whereas, you know, some of my other coaches saw that it needed to be made but weren't sure how to get

62:06there. This was extremely challenging for me. We're trying to relearn something that we may have lost as adults having sat in chairs or having laid on a bench to do, you know, very linear stuff like bench press or squat or whatever. We've kind of lost that natural movement ability and to gain it, it takes a lot of focus. I come home after I I train with Irwin and I'm exhausted. But as we go on and I have made these adjustments and my body has adapted, it's less and less mentally taxing and, you know, more fun. Today, you know, today we had a blast. For my last fight, me and Irwin working specifically on positioning of my body, lower level stability in a in a lower stance position of my feet, which helped me move forward and backward quicker, which I think ultimately really helped me with the Victor. I was able to move in and out of range effectively and

63:04land strikes and ultimately get the win. Wow. I think that it's it's not just for elite athletes. It's for for anybody. It's, you know, it's, you know, anybody who wants to get in shape, anybody who wants to try something different. Maybe you're into lifting or you're into yoga or, you know, any different thing. I hear all the time, I'm plateauing. I'm strong, but I can't move. I'm flexible, but I have no power. Ultimately, we're trying to be the most functional, ablebodied, athlete, person, human that we can be. Boom. Interesting man. It is. I'm going to keep I'm going to stick with yoga. I love that guy's ponytail, though. I'm going I'm going out to Portal has a ponytail, too. He does. What the Please say Ido. Don't ever say his name Ido again like that. Is it? It is. Eido portal. Spelled Ido. Well, the E. Well, you'll call him. Does he have a ponytail? He certainly

63:59does. He's a beautiful man. I'm going to call him whatever I want. Hey, don't take don't put that his name in your mouth. Be respectful when you said Ido. Ido. When you put my second boyfriend's name in your mouth. I got two boyfriends. And by the way, Carlos Con is a third boyfriend. It's very hard for me to choose. You line all those guys up in a jail cell. I have no idea who I got to choose, but I would do their laundry. I don't think you get to choose. That's part of the program. I don't do I think that stuff is cool. I think that stuff is cool. I don't I don't you know for certain guys that Well, you don't know unless you're doing it. I won't train with vegans. Veto portal. Wow. Porttow. Pull him up. Excuse me, sir. Pull him up, please, and show what he does. Check this out. Watch. What does he do? Is there any videos of this? Great video. The same Now, how did

64:44um how did um go full screen? How did um uh Connor get connected to him? I wonder. Uh he said that he was very interested in Connor. He does some crazy stuff, man. Well, you know what? This is really similar to as far as I'm looking at it, movement natural, that stuff that Hicks and Gracie was really into. But watch what he does. He does which is interesting really when you go back to it cuz like we thought of it as yoga and it is yoga, but wow. Jesus Christ. Bodied up son. This dude is doing um handstand push-ups on the edge of a table. Oh, he's not he's not dropping his head below the table. Oh my god, look at these flips and Dude, he's Watch. It's What the Oh my god. This guy's a super athlete. Yes, he is. Like, what is his uh find another video, Jamie? That's called White People Break Dancing. Oh, this Oh, the same video. It keeps going. So, what is his background?

65:36Is he like a gymnast? He's from Israel. He was a He was a capera guy. Oh my god. Insane. He boxes. He does gymnastics. He talks about how important rings are. You got to relax, Brian. I won't relax. I won't relax. There's a flip that he's doing. This is incredible. Doing a one-handed uh well, she's essentially doing like cir to sole type shape. They are dancing, right? They're just moving. What he'll do, what he'll do is he'll make you um he'll give you something that like he'll make you catch a stick and he gives you a toy and as soon as you get good at it, he changes it up on you. So, he always has you guessing. He always has you kind of deal. Well, he had Connor on the balance beams in Santa Monica the week before the fight doing all sorts of crazy on the beach. But look at this guy's ability to move his body. That's pretty shocking. Body up. Tell you right now,

66:22calls it movement patterns. Tell you right now, Connor wins with or without doing these movements. I don't know about that, man. I wonder if but listen, depending on who he's fighting, I think these benefit these movements and learning how to move your body like that will definitely benefit him. And benefits are all that keeps you from winning or losing. This is incredible. This guy, this is nuts, man. This kind of physical strength. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's balanced. That's some stupid core, man. Maybe I'm just a hater. I am not into this. I'm Hold on a second. What do you mean you're not into it? I'm just not into it. Like, what does that mean? I'm not. That's not impressive. It's cool, man. I've seen people in yoga do it all the time. Listen, you never seen a guy built like him. You never seen a guy built like him that does that with that kind of

67:04body mass? Yeah. I've never seen that in a million years. I've never seen a guy be able to hold those positions like that. That's impressive. Yeah. I mean, that's like a very small percentage of the human population is capable of moving their body like this. Like, look at this. I love it. I know. I'm sure that's great. That looks very hard. But why do you say you don't get it? I'm I'm saying I don't get the obsession with it. Look how fascinated you guys are into it. He's doing one handed up. Dude, you don't think that's incredible? That's insane. So, what why why are you hating? He gets jealous. He gets jealous when I'm He gets when I'm attracted to another. I'm not hating. He gets very This guy's body. That's what it is. That's what it is. You have body dis. That's good for your shoulder joint. Yeah, I agree. He gets super mad when I have a new boyfriend. And that's

67:51the truth. This isn't just a new boyfriend thing. It's him looking at this guy's body and I'm I'm freaking out. I know. I'm I just don't think it's that impressive. I go to yoga and I've seen gymnastics. This isn't anything new. You're out of your mind. out your mind if you don't think that guy's impressive. I was going to say and look at him meditating. Look at his traps. That's not impressive. I can do that. It's the only thing he's done so far that I could do. Hey, what's up everybody? The only thing that he's done so far that See, this stuff is all the Hicks and Gracie type Hixon was really into this stuff. Super into it as natural natural stuff um was essentially like this flowing yoga style that Hixom was really into that a lot of other jiu-jitsu guys got into. And it's so interesting to see it all come full circle now with guys like Connor incorporating that, but this is even

68:39another level. Yeah. But you you've seen those videos of Hixon doing those um full splits, standing full splits on a balance beam 20 years ago. Yeah. Holding his foot up in the air. Yeah. What are you trying Why you saying 20 years? I'm just saying this is You're hating on Hixon now. No, I love you have to qualify 20 years ago. Amazing. No, I'm saying Hixon was doing this. This isn't news. You can't let it enchant you. Boss Root was doing like that. You can't be enchanted. Boss Ruten was doing crazy He never did that. You can't be enchanted. Well, he was in on chains and like with his hair done. Look at my eyes, you know. Yeah. My bad. Wasn't doing that. What are you running from? What are you running from right now? Nothing. I just I just don't think you can give that guy that much credit. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you an honest question? We're not doing that.

69:21We're saying the guy's impressive physically and that it helped Connor to train with that guy. Obviously, Conor's not stupid. He's figured out how to become the world champion with one punch. True. I mean, he's not a stupid guy. Yeah. He's he's a a marketing genius. And I think Conor at 55 is even more trouble. He's not cutting weight. He's not cutting weight. I don't know about that cuz a big part of what gets him there is he cuts weight perfect. I mean, he's Oh, he looks like dog at 45. But whatever he does to rehydrate the next day, he looks amazing. And he's done it with no IV this time. Yeah. But think if he doesn't have to cut all that weight, so he doesn't deplete his body. He's faster than all these 50. Bigger guys, it's going to take him down like Chad did. Then you got a much bigger problem. Much bigger problem. Chad is a tiny guy in comparison to a lot of the

70:0455ers like Dosandros. Dosanos gets on top of you. That is a totally different world of physics and weight. I agree. But you look at matchups like Donald Cerrone, phenomenal matchup. Oh yeah. Anthony Pettis, dope ass match up. That was a great matchup. There's certain matchups at 55. You're right. You're right 100%. But um I think if uh Do you think if Doanos wins they'll fight? Nope. No. It's only if Cowboy wins. Really? Only if Cowboy wins has the money. That's the money for me. That's the mega fight. That is a mega mega. Why do you say why is that? Why do you guys say that it not if Jos wins? No, I'm I'm asking. I just don't think so. Because I I think like Joe mentioned that uh Doss Sanchos can put in that Chad Mendes game plan and take take Well, also Dos Anjos hits hard and he's got nasty jiu-jitsu and he's got a pressuring game, but you know, Connor

70:59might laugh at it. Connor might say, you know, like I got the solution to that. Look, Jeremy Stevens knocked that dude dead, you know, when dead. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's very possible that Connor might just see holes in his game that we're not seeing and he might be able to I just don't think it's a big payday. Like, do Mc McGregor's not a superstar fight. It's really not. But it is a superstar fight whenever Connor fights anybody and if he's got a big challenge in front of him fighting for the lightweight title, it'll be a gigantic. No, Connor's big no matter what. Connor Cowboy. What the If Cowboy can win next Saturday against Dosandos and become the lightweight champion of the world, that is the And I I guarantee they'll probably call Connor out, right? Unless they unless it was a crazy war and they want a rematch. Yeah. They don't like each other. But unless

71:43it's a crazy war and you know, everybody says like you got to do it again and they both say we got to do it again. The UFC says they have to do it again. But again, like this is like when people upset at me about the Frankie Edgar thing, like I don't get to call. It's not my choice. I'm not like my opinion is just an opinion. I just see a guy get knocked dead, I see, okay, that guy can't fight for at least 6 months at least and really shouldn't be fighting probably for a year. And it wasn't much of a fight, right? I agreed with right away. I was like, yeah, Joe's right. There's no way there's a rematch. But then I thought about like, well, they gave all these other champs instant rematch. But they didn't to Kane. Kane got knocked dead too against Junior Dos Santos. He had to fight Bigfoot. Keep people kept saying Kane got an instant rematch. No, he didn't. He did not. But

72:21there's been more instant rematches than not with these. But he fought Bigfoot Silver. And by the way, the Anderson Silva rematch too soon. And I said it. I mean, he got he got lucky that he broke his leg. How about that? Not obviously, not really. But he was getting beaten the up. He got hurt real bad in the clinch. Weidman caught him with a punch in the clinch. His legs went rubber. He went to the ground. He held on as much as he could. And We Widman beat the out of him for that first round. And then Anderson threw that kick and broke his leg. And it was almost fortunate that he went out like that because Widman's going to beat his ass. Anderson was not able to take a punch anymore the same way he used to. Well, Anderson used to eat punches. Watch the fight. You want to watch a crazy fight? Watch his fight with Jorge Rivera where he lets Rivera punch him in the face. Really lets him

73:07punch him in the face. Let guys just punch him in the face. Stood in front of Rivera let him punch pull it up. Jorge Rivera Jorge Rivera versus Anderson Silva in Cage Wars in the UK. This is before Anderson came to the like dude I was a gigantic Anderson Silva fan long before he ever won the title. I will you watch my um calling the fight against Chris Weidman. I was a kid in a candy store cuz he wasn't he wasn't a new guy to me when he fought Chris Lee cuz I say Weidman. I meant Leeben. Sorry. When he fought Chris Leeben when he came to such a beating it was crazy. I was a kid in a candy store cuz I was like this this guy is a different kind of striker. This is a whole different animal you're dealing with like and Leeban's gonna come forward face first tailor made as a Muay this so Jorge Rivera who's on the left who is a hard puncher good hands and Anderson is standing right in front of

73:59him and there's one point in the fight how long does this fight go Jamie 10 minutes 10 minutes there's one point in the fight before Anderson knocks him out where Anderson stands right in front of him and literally lets him punch him in the face and Mark Delgate who was with Jorge was like Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like, "What the fuck?" He's like, "You should hear Mark talk about it." Mark, it's hilarious when Mark talks about it because I love that guy. He's the best. So funny. By the way, Mark was also agreeing with me that Aldo looked different physically. He like he looked smooth. The entire world except for South America agreed with you, John. Well, there's some people on the underground that disagree. Exactly the same. idiots. Just when you see a guy, it's hard to tell from a a still photo as well. A lot of what you see is in movement. You see like in the like they don't look

74:46as not as explosive. Even in the still photo it shows a little bit but not much. It could like I said it could have been attributable to cardio. I mean let's say let's say well there's no evidence at all though ever did steroids, right? So let's say he never did steroids. Let's say he just did way more cardio for that fight and didn't do nearly as much strength training and that's what it is. There's a difference in the way it looks. Eric Silva was the the biggest contrast that and Vtor of course but Vtor we knew to look for it. We knew it was happening. We knew about the testing. We knew about everything with Eric Silva. You're like huh? Yeah. He was so bodied up with that apple bottom and everything. Dude, when he walked what's with Brian Kell and he when he walked into the octagon it was literally like a Scooby-Doo sound all across the globe. Penny dropper. panty

75:37drop or no and then he gets off to you. No, that's what I mean. I mean, in the last fight in the last fight, his last fight is like melted cheese. It just didn't make any sense. But again, it could have been that he changed his approach and decided he's gassing out in these fights like against Matt Brown. He gassed out and he has all this muscle and all this power and he's always going for it and he is a young guy. He's not even 30 years old. It is possible that he just changed his entire approach. No more strength and conditioning, only just training, only cardio from uh sparring and from, you know, repetition. I mean, it's totally possible. It's totally possible. Alistar Over when he got busted, it was in his protein shake. Dude, look how beautiful Anderson's movement was. Look how he checked that kick. I mean, it's all like automatic. This is when he was in his

76:25son. By the way, he didn't come to the UFC until I think he was like 35. Man, look at him. He was going to retire. He's going to retire. No, Ggera talked him out of it. How old was he when he came to the UFC? I thought he was 32. I thought he was 32. You might be right though, Joe. I know he's going to retire and uh Big Nog talked him out of it. Was like, you have to fight. Well, he had had some, you know, crazy tough fights. He also had a falling out with Shoot the Box. I'm surprised he's not retiring now. Why Why do you think he's Well, he went to Muay Thai Dream Team. It was like he they created a team and he didn't have good training partners and there was a lot of going on, but he pulled it together right when he came to the UFC. Did he ever? And well, he pulled it together in Cage Wars really. And then he came to the UFC after that. Remember he was about to fight Roy Jones

77:06and then everyone's like, "Nah, that would have been so ridiculous. Been awesome. He would have got lit up. It would have been awesome. It would have been a good wakeup call to a lot of MMA fighters. They think they can box with a guy like Jones." Speaking of Jones, she's ask get knocked out in the fourth round. Hey, let's stop doing that. You're a head lead commentator on HBO. Let's not do that. Yeah. And I think that's going to with his commentary for sure. Not going to be able to talk that good after that knockout. I mean, it'll be a while before he recovers from that. He's had like five of those. I mean, unless he's getting paid crazy amounts of money. I don't get why he does it. No one really watched it. The only reason we watched cuz he got highlight knockout, you know. Meanwhile, Jorge Rivera did a lot better than Rich Franklin. It's interesting. He

77:48sure did. Figured out how to Well, Jorge is a Muay Thai guy, so he figured out how to fight Anderson from the clinch. Anderson like at this point in the fight is sort of just chipping away at him. But, uh, how much more time is in this fight? How much Where are we at? There's uh the moment before the fight start. The nice knee to the body. See, this is Anderson like really in his prime. Did you see Anderson uh Jon Jones shadow box in New York? Yeah. Hilarious. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Interesting, right? Anderson against Luke Rockold. Does Luke Rockold beat him up? Oh god, it's horrible now. What's wrong with you? It's over now. Look at this. The champ, the new crown champ versus the old Anderson Silva. No, Anderson's It's over. Look at this. Look at him. Let me guess, Ken. Yeah, you're crunk for the Ken Shamrock Hoy Gracie fight, too. Listen, Anderson took him down. Unless

78:34you are on testosterone replacement, when you hit your late 30s like that, there's just no way you can't compete. You're not competing with, you know, look, if you got Anderson on the Vtor Belelffort diet, I think Anderson goes back in there like a demon. And and who knows who he can beat until his, you know, 40th birthday or whatever it would be when the wheels fall off. But Anderson now you're talking about a guy who was brutally KO'ed by Chris Weidman and then in the second fight had a seriously hard time staying conscious from a punch in the clinch. You know, I just don't I don't think the body I think the body can only take so much, man. And I think he took it all. Vtor Anderson makes sense. Here's where it gets Here's towards the um end of the fight. This is the second round where I'm pretty sure he stopped him in the second round. But um there's a point

79:22where it's just Let me show show me how much time is left here. Yeah. Scoot ahead a little bit and see if we could find it because it's preposterous. Anderson is standing in front of him. Here it is right here. Watch this. Anderson just stands in front of him and lets Jorge tea off on his face. Look at this. Boom. Boom. Look. Standing in front of him. Boom. Boom. Oh my god. Dog just just ate it. just stood in front of him and ate it. Now, contrast that that series of punches that Jorge Rivera, who he hits hard. Yeah. To Chris Weidman's one punch in the clinch. Oh, night and day. That dropped him. Night and day. And Anderson just can't absorb shots like he used to. He used to have a phenomenal chin. Your body just shuts down. Your brain says, "Uh oh, here it comes." Chuck Liddell, same thing. Had a phenomenal chin. I mean, there was times in Chuck's life

80:13where you just weren't going to hurt him. Sorry. So there's a lot of I think Dan Dan Henderson pretty much until he got kicked by VTO. Same thing. Yeah, he can eat everything. Who do you guys have winning the Anderson Silva Vtor? That's not going to happen. Vtor won't fight him. I talked to Lorenzo. Why won't he fight him? Uh Vtor doesn't want to fight him. He wants a shot at the title. And they're like, "Dude, you you fought for the title and got smoked in the first round. You can't beat Dan Henderson and get a new title shot." The thing is Luke wants to fight him cuz he wants to fight Vtor. Yeah, he should. They said, "Who you want?" He goes, "I want I want Vtor on a silver platter." Yeah. He's going to Is that what he said? Yes. That's going to be ugly for Vtor, I feel. Set it up. You think? Well, you think you got to do We Widman Luke. A Weidman Weidman rematch would be very

81:00interesting. Um, a Rockold Yoel Romero fight would be very interesting. I think Yoel Romero is not doing anything in the fourth and fifth round. Don't forget Jesus. And remember, I was the guy. Gay Jesus. No, not gay Jesus. He's saying forget. He said forget Jesus. That drove me crazy when the whoever interviewed him didn't clarify that. They were like they didn't know either. I knew. I was listening to it. He's saying, "Forget he's Cuban. Don't forget when I speak to him, you notice when I speak to him, I look at him right in the eye. I speak very clearly and I try to clarify everything he says." Like when he fought uh Tim Kennedy. Yes. And there was that moment where he didn't get off the stool. I had a long conversation with him. I was talking to him nice and slowly. I'm looking at him trying to find out what he's saying. I'm trying to get to it. I've known a lot of Cuban

81:51people. I know what they sound like. They have that way of saying T's. It's a why. The T is a Y. And it's not for gay Jesus. Can we get a PR team on that? Can we get a PR team? I would have been the PR team if I was interviewing. I'm saying So you're saying don't forget Jesus. See C. See, don't forget Jesus. Sounds like for gay Jesus. No, he it sounds like he's saying no for gay Jesus. He's not a tall guy. How tall is he? He feels like he's like 5'8, 5'9. No. No. He's He's probably uh There's no gay Jesus. No poor guy. Yoel Romero had the flu for the last four days. Malkey. Just don't ever show that guy. Don't ever get him up here. That guy wanted to come on the podcast with Jon Jones and he's like, "I'll say some crazy John won't say." I'm like, "What? Who's Mali? Why would we want you there? Who's Mal? Why would they want you to John's manager? Um, great guy though, by the

82:48way. Just around. But he's the idea of like, what? Get out of here, son. But he's like, you're going to talk for John? That's exactly what I don't want. I want to know what what's going on in his mind. But the Jesus, poor guy. Oh my god. I got tortured. He got tortured online. Like people were mad at him. Like even like reputable like sports broadcasters were tweeting at how horrendous what he said was and terrible what he said was. I was yelling at my computer. He said forget he said the same that do the ranking and they can't even get yoy straight. No no I don't do the rankings might be an under might be a who's people are saying the internet journalist do the rankings. I'm pretty sure, right? Some some head journalist. But do you do that? Who did make more sense? They asked Ryan Serest. Exactly. Who who does the rankings? How weird is that? Like what

83:45what are the people? Who are the people? The rankings aren't that horrible. I just think that when you know someone like Uriah Hall knocks out Gegard Mousasi and he's below him on the rankings. That's stupid. Well, you know, the UFC brass is like we can't do the rankings because it's some Because remember they're going to do they were going to do pay dictate bas b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b based off your ranking. Remember that with Rebot? Then they're like, "Ah, We can't do that." Cuz Billy's a huge fan of whoever he's lost seven in a row and they want to rank him number 10. Do you have any idea? Do you guys have any idea how much a veteran makes off a UFC off the Reebok? Let's not even talk about it cuz I'll start throwing up on my keyboard. Yeah, me too. Yeah, it's not. You know what? You know, can can I

84:23do a positive spin though? I hate on Reebok so much. Can I do a positive one? I dug the McGregor trunks, the green and gold trunks, and all those uh black and gold for the first time ever. For the first time ever, I was like, "Those look good." Well, they, you know, they're responding to criticism and doing a good job of responding to criticism. I just think, you know, I think the the whole the reality of this whole situation is that it could have all been handled better. I think everybody will agree to that. And I think the fighters are very disappointed at their lack of ability to be autonomous as far as like how much money they can make from sponsors and like you're the perfect example. You know, I and I've used you as an example and you know, people said that you weren't telling the truth and you know, now we know that that's not not correct. You were telling Yeah. You brought me my

85:08your financials and I brought them to the top. Yes. And we had a nice conversation about it. I I think that it's a it's a it's an unfortunate reality that we're going to have to live with now. And I what I would like to see out of this is I mean the argument against it was like people are having condom depot on their trunks all that I'm like well how about don't have condom depot. How about you have you you make a very specific like listen you can get all the sponsors you want but you can't have anything that's going to be bad for the image of the UFC. This is what we think are bad. I don't know why condoms which is what they did by the way. I don't know why condoms would be bad. Is it bad to not get AIDS? Well I agree but what if it was Band-Aid Depot? Would that be okay? But the aspirin depot. Was that okay? What if it was that? You had to submit your sponsors ahead of time

85:53and have to check them off. So you weren't allowed alcohol, tobacco, anything competed with UFC. But did anybody did it really diminish the entertainment value for anybody when someone was walking in with dynamic fastener on their shirt? Did he give a at all? I never give a If Chris Wyman was walking to the octagon and he had muscle farm or fill in the blank, you know, Well, where are all those logos now? They're on the mat. That's what buns do. Some of them are. Yeah, most of them. The mat looks like a NASCAR. The fighters are in black and white unless you're a champ looking like not getting paid. That's the only issue I have with it. Well, there's there's definitely something to be that said about that because none of that money is going towards the fighters. None. And the because the only thing that's changed besides the fighters looking plain as in black and white is the mat looks

86:37like a Toys R Us now. Yeah. And I think there's a real uh option, a real possibility for fighters to get super involved in social media and put out a lot of um videos and get people excel. Like if you put out a lot of content, people respond and they love like there's a lot of people that I follow. Yeah. There's a lot of people that I follow. You know Ross training you Ross training guy on Instagram. you know, he is like some pretty intense uh personal trainer dude. He's got all these great workout things that he does on Instagram. I follow that guy all the time. If he was a fighter and he had all these people following him all the time or a lot of other guys that do these things or girls who do these things, too. There's a lot of people Well, girls, they do it. They won't look at their asses. I follow him. I know you do. I like to follow shaking his head. You

87:22sound You sound the way I talk when I'm talking about Portal. Your voice just got deeper. But I think that what it gives an opportunity for fighters to adjust and the adjustment is to concentrate or have someone that works for you concentrate on social media. Put out a lot of content. I know Miles Jury does a lot of It's a bummer though, man. It is a bummer. They shouldn't have to do it. It would be better if they didn't. There's so many fighters that That's why if I'm Conor McGregor, you ready for this? If I'm Conor McGregor, I say I'm not doing till you give me 20 million a fight. That's how much power I think that kid has right now. He has the most power I've ever seen a UFC fighter. He has a nation behind him. He could sell out 80,000. Okay. Well, I'm going to show you what kind of power he has behind him because I'm going to send these to Jamie and we're going to watch what it was

88:01like at the MGM because I have videos of Irish people going bonkers at a level that you've never seen in your entire life. We're talking about climbing on top of casino tables, screaming, taking their shirts off. There's thousands of them. When he was there when he won No, when he won, he's a bigger star than Lesnar now. They stormed the casino. And when they stormed the casino, nobody could do anything about it. Nobody could do anything about it. The security guards are all standing around. I'm going to show you some video. We've never seen a star like this. And for the first time, Connor's bigger than the UFC. He can go, I want this amount of money or I'm not doing for you. And he's just backed up everything he said. Yeah. I'm I'm going to send him Jamie right now. You You never seen nothing like this. You never seen nothing like this. Those Irish love him some fighting. Jamie, you

88:49got your uh your phone on? His tiger tattoo bums me out a little bit. I'm not gonna lie to you. What's up, Jame? Airdrop's not showing up. Airdrop is really wonky, man. I need to get on my computer. You need to get what on your computer? Airdrop. Don't you have a phone? Turn it on so I can show them. I can show Oh, yeah. Should I email it to you? Is that the better move? That'd be faster. Okay, let me email it to you. Um, you uh you wouldn't believe it. You're going to you're going to look at this and you're going to go, "What?" Okay. The mob. Two attachments maximum. All right, there. I'm just selling these. Guess where I wouldn't be? At that casino. Yeah, crowds make me nervous. You had to get out of there right away. I get out of there. I don't around. Yeah, you had to get out of there right away. I don't like mobs. It was so ridiculous. I get nervous. Here, I'm going to send

89:35you a couple other ones, Jamie. It's just so stupid. It was so crazy. It was um Have you ever seen anything like that, Joe? No. No. I'm going to pee out of my huge total new level of chaos and and and really it was amazing, man. I I tweeted right right when he knocked him out. I said, "Well, ladies and gentlemen, there's your biggest star in UFC history." How about arguably one of the biggest stars in the history of all combat sports because there's never been anybody that has won a fight that has had casinos overrun where the literally the security guard. Watch these videos. You're going to freak out. The security guards can't do Dudes are jumping up on tables. They're taking their shirts off. They're singing all together. I mean, not just one or two. Thousands and thousands of these guys. Did he come to you? Just now. He's a special dude, man. And my the the thing

90:28why I'm just drawn to Connor is cuz he's a good person. Like you see as soon as he beat Aldo Yeah. hugged him, got the mic like he's a great champion. There's a picture of them hugging in the back. Yeah, man. Like I saw it. Yeah, it's really cool, man. He's an amaz like he's just a good person. That'll all change again if they schedule a rematch. Yeah, he'll crank it right back up. Well, did you see the picture that he put on Twitter? Yes. That's so rude. There's a picture of him. We don't tell Wait, wait till Brian come back cuz Brian will How about we do Don't do it while Brian Do it while Brian's gone so Brian doesn't declare that his next boyfriend so he doesn't jack off. But there's a photo of Connor and Connor's looking down and uh the camera is like looking up at him. says, "Wake up, Jose. It's all over." God darn. He can do what he wants, though.

91:16Blooded, but it's a marketing thing. You know what I'm saying? It's brilliant. Of course, but it's also real, but it's real. Was that It's on his Twitter. It's cold blooded. It's cold. It's as cold blooded. That's That's like uh That's cryotherapy blood. It's so up. It's like Pluto. But that picture resurfaced cuz he posted that weeks ago. Oh, did he? Yeah. And then they just reposted it. Well, he posted he reposted. Wake up. It's all over. Have you seen that photo? Did you see the video of him calling it? Did you see that he tweeted that came out today and he's on the bike in Venice going? Have you seen that? Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. It's It's kind of hilarious. What are you looking for, Jamie? Picture. I don't see it on Just look it up. Google it, you Look right here. Yeah, him versus Frankie is a Maybe it's on Instagram. It wasn't there either. No way. He took it down. No way. H

92:22I didn't see it. You did. You look under media. Just this picture of this Russian hammer thing. How long is that from ago? How long ago? Day 11. Hm. There's no way he took it down. Did he take it down? Damn, he's using Square. There's no tweets from today. Just Was it an Instagram post? Let's see. Um, so down. Did he take it down? Is that possible? No, I just found it. Jamie, it's right there. That's it. I googled it in three seconds. How dare you? How dare you? Pull it up. Pull it up. Google it. the video, too. Okay, so this is Let's just play this while we're waiting for you to get your together. One thing at a time. Oh, damn. Look at this. That's the MGM. Holy. That's the front. That's the front of the MGM. Look at security. They can't do Now, um, show some of the other ones because there's some other ones in the actual casino itself. That's in the lobby of the casino.

93:32nuts. It's mad. That's the same thing the second series that I sent you. Is madness, man. Just absolutely madness. See anything like this with this following that Irish I mean, they just love fighting. It's in their blood. And then you have this the Muhammad Ali of Ireland now. And then some, right? Ireland was always a always at battle with itself. Ireland because of the topography of Ireland, it would break up into what they call tu, like little clans, the villages, and they would always fight with each other. Listen, I want to hear a history lesson, son. Look, here's the here's the image. See if you can find it. Okay, well, Ireland's never had a independent.co.uk. You can find it there. It's the whole thing. Wake up, Jose. It's all over. They've never had a star like this. They've always wanted it. Even Even guys who, you know, left on their shield would get knocked out

94:26but came back, they loved them. Like they were stars. Now you have a legit superstar. A murderer. Yeah. A guy who's murking people. I mean, to to go through all that, the crazy UFC promo with their meeting in the middle of the strip and the fans behind them and the million-doll production value of the commercial, the giant world tour. And then Aldo pulls out of the first fight, shows up for the second fight, and one punch deads him. I mean, that is, you can't write that You can't write that That is a movie and a half. That is the greatest superstar that country has ever known in all combat sports. This is Well, that's just the image. Pull. If you go to the actual website, it's right there, Jamie. Come on, man. I I just showed you how to get it. I Googled it while I'm talking. This ain't hard to do. You're not mad at that picture, Brian? No. No. He loves it. He loves it. No, he's no, but

95:21whatever. It says right there underneath it. By the way, Eve Edwards called me and left me a message. He goes, "Hey, dude. Um, I heard something weird. Um, did you come out of the closet? Are you gay?" And then I got another call from Kieran. Same thing going, "Hey dude, I heard you were gay." I was like, "Where are you hearing that I came out of the closet? How about you just got done for 20 minutes slobbering over Luke Rock?" Maybe it's me. Maybe people are portal. You think you think people are first of all, Ido Portal, don't make me say it again. You think people are reading it and know what I'm saying? You think Here it is. Wake up, Jose. It's all over. Oh, go back so you can see it all the way. Look at this. Oh, no. That's mean. Look at that photo. That is December 1st. That is just ridiculous. Wow. So, that's an old photo that he reposted. Yes.

96:07Cuz it came true. Wow. Interesting. Wow. That tattooed tiger's just too real to be cool. You know what I'm saying? It looks like 3D. Yeah. It's not a good placement. It's just when especially when you got abs like that, man. Yeah. Show the abs off. Yeah. I guess he doesn't give a what he looks like, though. As far as that goes, he doesn't have to do whatever he wants. Knocking out. Making money, telling the UFC what the to do. What is he going to do when he retires? I mean, the amount of juice that's going the amount of juice and adrenaline and excitement that's going through his veins right now, just the electricity right now. He'll be a promoter. He'll be a promoter. How do you ever shut the up? How do you ever How do you ever match that? It's all downhill from here. God, this is the It's all downhill. Well, he might go Lar style and die in a small plane crash. He

96:59might. I could see that. I just don't I don't know. Like a guy like this is like the the level of faith. Look at this. Some guy got on top of the lion in the MG. God, look at security. Uh-oh. Get off the line, sir. That's where we draw the line. They don't give a Did you see them in the streets beforehand? Did you hear about the Irish guys were on their way to Vegas and got they had to they got kicked off the flight for fighting? Yeah. They didn't even make the fight. Yeah, they didn't even make it to the fight. Conor McGregor fans. My my buddy went to a soccer game in Ireland. They they they didn't get to the stadium. There were so many fights. It was nuts. This is what they do, huh? Yeah. They're animals. Conor McGregor could be like a big ass movie star. Oh, yeah. He says he's gotten offers, but he's not interested. He goes, I don't have time for that. You know, what he's doing is

97:43smart and what Rondo did was not smart in that regard that she got distracted and spread herself thin. Took all that short money. You know, it's a lot of money, but took it all. Whereas Connor's like, "No thanks." I don't think it made a difference. I think Holly Holmes is a different fighter. I think she met a different fighter. Well, it certainly made a difference, Brian. When you distract yourself, you are distracted. That makes I don't think that's Rhonda's fault, though. I think it's the people. This is Brian standing up for distractions. No, Holly Holm is a high much higher level striker and and would have been regardless. I don't I don't think I just don't think uh you can compete with somebody like that who's that far advanced as a striker. Well, certainly not striking. And she's stronger than Ronda. That's what it looked like to me. Strong as Yeah. Well, you know,

98:28she's definitely leaner, you know, and looks looks more muscular and bigger. And she's fought as high as 152 pounds. Yeah. And Rhonda, correct me if I'm wrong, is not a big double leg, single leg shooter. She's she's a judo person. She's got to get her hips close to you. So, when she has people who in her camp, like this guy Izzy or whoever it is, who can neutralize that judo, push her hips away, drop level when she gets close, not no dropping levels, man. Here's the big thing. They just avoided that left arm. Rhonda always ties up with that left arm. I mean, she does the same approach in almost all of her fights and it works on this amateur and it's not that's a good way of putting it. It's not to say that like she doesn't have other approaches, but that is the approach that she's most comfortable with and she goes to more often and when it wasn't working, you know, you're

99:14You had you had you had that camp game planning and they've seen a lot and I feel like they've game planned for very very good fighters who are men who are a lot more complex and Ronda for those guys was probably much easier to game plan and then they had Holly Holm who's been striking with sexist and I'm not talking anymore sexist for men with with like men you know men like the guys I guys like me hey hey you don't know that. Well I just heard you came out of the closet. I I that's what I heard from Eve. See, I I don't Rhonda doing movies and distractions. I That's That's on her team. That's not on Ronda. That's people going, "You should do this. No, you're fine. You're so much better than this." We We know she's got some advice coming her way. But what is from a lot of people? Yes. What is her camp like? You've you've been close to her while she's training. What

100:04is her camp like? Uh you know, I'm not going to go into crazy detail. All I know is she works harder than anyone. So, if she gets with the right people, she's going to be a lot better. if she gets with the right team that says, "Maybe don't do this movie right now. Maybe let's save this move after you beat Holly. Maybe let's do this then." Isn't that a problem now, too? Because if she's prepping for the rematch, isn't she about to go do that Roadhouse movie? Yes. Yeah. And isn't it a problem that Roadhouse movie? Like movies are hard to sell when you're a badass when the world knows in the your last fight you got flatlined. I I would suggest it wouldn't be surprising to me the way Hollywood Hollywood works there where they go a lot of this movie was built on you being the baddest girl on the planet and undefeated. Don't be surprised if sometimes those kind of movies fall

100:47through they or they downgrade or maybe a little they just don't happen. I wonder what kind of contract is involved cuz she's got like big time movie agents like I wonder if there's like built-in protection against that I would assume there is. If I'm Dana White, I go look at me. You're not doing any movies. your contract with us. We're not giving you permission to do any of this. So, anyone who says, "Yes, you can make a movie and still beat Holly," I fire right now. Anyone who goes, "You can do this and still do and still be world champion" is full of It's just not true. What do you think about her fighting Holly in July? Uh, I I don't I don't I don't know, man. I What the is she going to do if she if she make if she's filming Roadhouse while Holly's focused? Like you just talked to Holly the other day, right? What she want to do? Train. She wants to go right back to the gym after

101:36the fight. Yes. She might have gone to her hotel room and hit pads. And Rhonda can't eat solid foods. And then she's going to make a movie and then jump into camp in the same camp that has been telling her to do all this stuff. Yeah. And the same, you know, it's tough, man. God God bless her. Hopefully works out. But it's a man. It is a right? If you wanted to get ready for a fight like that, you would want to go through a battery of physical tests. Like as far as your brain goes, CAT scans, MRIs, like that was a wall up she took. And when you know, I've had people on like uh Dr. Ronda Patrick and Dr. from Mark Gordon who talk about the damage to the pituitary gland and what happens when you get KO'ed like that and how important rest is in recovery and how long it takes to recover from something like that. And then we saw the the Anderson fight that we were just

102:30talking about how Anderson used to take this tremendous punch then he fought Wybin and you know wasn't the same guy anymore like to jump right back in like this. Look at look at Mendes too. Mendes gets knocked out by Connor gets right back in there. We've never seen him get dropped so easily. Not just drop flatline with one punch. Flat line man. Yeah. I mean, he came back and Frankie is not a, you know, Frankie is a man. He throws combos and he's very active and he stays, you know, he's more of a barrage of punches and combo puncher, but Frankie is not a knockout artist by any means. But there's also the factor of kind of getting I wonder I would imagine any fighter who gets in the ring and realizes that they are just that's a riddle that's very hard to solve right now. I would imagine for Rhonda, as great as she is and as athletic as she is, you know, there's no doubt that

103:16Holly Holm looked like she was just far advanced in h how to dispatch somebody with kicks and she was disguising her kicks, punching and stuff like that. I would imagine there's an emotional factor, which is can I even do this? Can I solve this riddle in 6 months? That's a that's not a lot of time to catch up to somebody who's that good. Also to let all the dust settle as far as like the devastation to your emotions, your confidence, or you know Rhonda's a very special kind of pitbull. Is she chomping at the bit to get back in there? I mean, is she like she's a special person. She's a special and I don't think there's a middle ground. Either I think she's going to come back and just be a demon or we're going to see a shell and she's just going to get kicked in the face again and we never see her again. I don't want to see that. I don't think there's a middle ground. Even if

104:02she comes back in phenomenal shape and gets fired up and motivated and does everything the right way and no distractions, Holly might still mark I agree. Still don't have the skills to stand there with with and move and have good footwork. If she can't take Holly down and not only that, what if Holly's game plan's even different this time? What if she Muay ties the out of those legs? Cuz let me tell you something about Holly home. That girl's got legs like a thoroughbred. You ever see her bouncing around the octagon and doing those flips? Well, who's got Brian rather have game plan for you, Greg Jackson, right now or the ladder over in Glendale. You know what I'm saying? You got You got six You got six months, son. You got six months of the mad scientist Greg Jackson going, "This is what we did this time. This is what we're going to do this time." And Mike Winkle, John and

104:49Izzy. And Izzy. Yikes. Yeah. Oh, and now she has confidence. Oh, and Jon Jones in her camp. And they train together. I know what I do. I'd fake an injury. That's what I do. Yeah. Misha wants to fight her. Misha thinks she's Misha's going to get Misha's going to get it's going to get eat she's going to get eaten up by Holly Holm. With all due respect with all due respect, Misha is not going to fight that way. She's not going to charge after all. It's a different animal. It's a different animal. It's a good fight. I don't know who wins. It's a good fight. Misha's Misha's got a different style of takedowns. She'll shoot for doubles. If she gets the clinch, she'll vary her approach. She's got Ricky Lendell working with her who's also an excellent grappling phenomenal coach grappling coach. She's got some good things going for her. And then you know what you're

105:34dealing with also is when you see a fighter get into the octagon, you don't know what kind of injuries they've had. You don't know what they're dealing with in training camp that they're trying to overcome. Like when Luke Rockold said after the fight that he had staff infection, like I talked to Bob Cook about it. Bob Cook right when they I I go, "Congratulations." He goes, "He almost pulled out of the fight." I go, "What?" He goes, "Yeah, he's had really bad staff. He's been on antibiotics for two weeks." I go, "Are you kidding me?" Crazy. So, you'd never know. Now, when Holly fought Raquel Pennington, she did not look very good. And that was one of the reasons why I didn't think that was a good fight to have right now. She had a split decision victory over Raquel Pennington. I mean, Raquel almost beat her. She came within a hair of beating her. Let me ask

106:13you this, Joe. With, you know, with these, I want to say more well-rounded athletes, whenever we see a fighter who charges, like it's almost no skill just to rush forward. They get up by the better fighter. All see Aldo up. Rhonda up. We see these people, they so fight so emotionally, come straight forward, and then you see the more talented fighter like, "What the fuck?" Yeah, you can't do that. Was way more successful than Aldo at it. And she she's fighting lesser competition, so it worked. Yeah. Well, Holly's a for women. Holly is very high level. As high level as it Well, not only didn't work, but she ate a lot of shots before that one that took her out, which that's why I'm saying you get these superior athletes who it's like, you're going to rush forward and do what? I'm going to you up. Right. Rhonda does have a phenomenal chin. If you look I hopefully

106:59still, but you look at the shots that she took that elbow that one elbow that clean as she's coming after her. She blasts her in the jaw. The first time we ever seen her get hit by a really good striker. And you know, it's one of the things that we were discussing before the fight of like, well, you got to watch out for Holly u when we're doing the the pre-fight breakdown. I was like, she's so good at shielding her kicks with punches. You don't see them coming. She's hitting you at the end of these punches and then the kicks already coming, you know, and you watch her RFA fight. Was it RFA she fought in? You watch all her other um MMA fights in smaller organizations. Those kicks come out of nowhere, man. You know, and she she knows when to land them, you know. She doesn't show them until she's ready to land them and then blam. Did you see her parade in Albuquerque? 20,000 people. Really?

107:4720,000 people came out to see her in Albuquerque. She told me, she told me she's happy to be in Vegas cuz at least it's relaxed cuz she can't go anywhere in Albuquerque. She said she tries to take a she tries to go to a restaurant to have a meal. There's a line of people at her table that want to take photos with her. They won't let her put food in her mouth. That's exhausting. That that's that's managing managing championship, managing. First of all, those people are rude. Don't don't mess with someone when they're eating. You later It's my first time. I can't believe I'm seeing you. I don't care about your steak. What about me? What about Oh, you think you're too good for me? Well, you deal you deal with it. You deal with that in a crazy way. Oh, I don't deal with it like she deals with it. Not like that. 70 people waiting in line. You deal with some though.

108:33At EBI, I was like, "Good lord, man. Are we ever going to get in here?" Yeah. It gets a little weird, but it doesn't get It's also different because I'm a man. Like, there's not a bunch of people looking to rape me, right? You know, I mean, like raping Holly home. She didn't kick you. She didn't kick you right in the dick. Right in the dick. Go ahead and try and rape her. She'll pancake that dick of yours. There's a couple girls you don't want to try and raise and scream and do that. Hike. That's That's why I'm hitting mids now. I make that I make Holly Holm. People like, "Is that Holly Holm?" No, it's Brian Kellen. Holy He's got the same legs. They can tell the difference when they hear the impact. I don't know, man. Yeah. I don't know. I'm I got crisp I got crisp crisp strikes. I've seen you kick the bag and it was very sad. That's not true. That's

109:10not true. Cuz I wasn't opening up. If I open up when I open up, dude, master and when I do this master studio, my next studio is going to have a full like gym set up and I'll I'll let you kick the bed. We'll videotape it. It's going to be scary. You're going to let me I'm going to record it. You're going to kick and then you're going to kick. We're going to have the fan. I definitely won't do that. I kick very hard. That'll make you sad. I kick very hard. They call me They call me Brian. My nickname when I f I'm not being a dick. Listen, I do. They call me Brian Luke Rockold count. They call me Brian Luke. You know what? Hey, you know on stage well they do that now. Oh is that Brian Lolton Luke Rock when we do the live shows everyone goes let's see a kick. Oh god do a kick my wheel kick is sick. What I need to do is get you some of these barbell jeans so you can throw kicks with tight.

109:59I'm obsessed with those. Please. This is the man. Apparently Diesel makes some too. Look at the Diesel. I need some. I have a beautiful backside. Contact them. Get a hold of I'm sure they follow you. All right. Get a hold of me, you lazy All right. Jesus Christ. Or you could always just order them. It's Let's get these chairs and let's get some barbell jeans. Ero. Go to Erggo. Called Capiscoco. Capiscoco. The jeans. Stand up. Let me see how tight they are. They're not They're not They're tight. You got a dick on Rogan has a dick. I know he does. That's not bad, dude. They're like sweatpants. Look at that. Look at this, bro. You're basically wearing joggers, dude. You're like Anderson with those knees. There's like no They're joggers with jeans. No binding. You're ridiculously flexible. You really are. It's so stupid. Do you show off in yoga? No, I just do yoga. There's girls in my

110:44class that are 100 times more flexible than me. This is one Indian chick in my yoga class that does that uh bow pose where she gets her foot literally up in the air like way above her head. It's insane. When it gets crazy like that, I sit I just sit there like this. Dude, you get competitive. I don't get competitive. I don't want to blow my out, so I just sit there. I'm just like, nope. Ain't for the big How often you been doing this yoga? Three times a week. That's awesome, dude. Yeah. Oh, it's so good for your body, right? Do you feel like your body, like your back's loosening up and your For me, it's more of a mental thing. I just feel great after I do it. Me, too. More compassionate, relaxed. I'm bored. I'm bored, you know? I don't want to say I'm bored with jiu-jitsu, but it's it's all the same to me, you know, like I'm going with the same guy. So, I wasn't feeling

111:28like very Why don't you move around? Go to a different gym every now and then. True. But you ghee or all no ghee? Uh, just depends. I'll do both. I'll do both. A lot of lot of no gee, but I'll do both. Have you thought about doing jiu-jitsu competitions? Do you I don't know when I find the time to put the proper training into it. Right. And is because of doing the podcast or about to have a kid? Lot going on. Podcast, shows, everything, man. Takes a lot. It takes a lot of time. He does all merchandising and everything. And and I wouldn't want to do myself a disservice by showing up halfass. Like I would never do that. So unless I can be 100%. There's no way I'd sign up for one. What if like Metamorris came at you or one of those other organizations that's doing like EBI? If EBI, I I would help, you know, if Eddie approached me and we talked about it's the right timing, I

112:11would do it. I don't know if I'd do Metamorris again just cuz personal issues, but with with with Eddie, I I would if like some super fight type deal. I love Eddie if you if he said, "Hey, I want you to do a super fight here." And it was the right time, I'd do it. Would you fight me? Would you fight Cyborg again? Now, when I say Cyborg, for folks listening, we're not talking about Christina. Is it Chris? Yeah. Christina Cyborg, the female cyborg. Yeah. Well, used to be Santos and Justino, I think it is. I think you're right. Um, she's uh uh Invicta Women's 145B champion. We're talking about uh Ricardo Ibru. Yes. Who's also known as Cyborg, not to be confused with Cyborg Evangelista. He's also the number one grappler in the world. Yes. Well, he's very high. Is there a number one guy? He was number one because he beat Buchesa last year, I think, in Abu Dhabi. So, he technically

113:04he was he won absolute. He's a monster. He's a beast. He's a monster. And his tornado guard, god damn it, man. You watch that guy. He's he's amazing. And his strength and conditioning videos are also super inspirational. Like all the crazy that he does. That guy's a beast. I'm a fan, man. And you know what else I like about him? He's like a crazy world traveler. He goes all around the world like goes on like travels to see the world and he Yeah. Follow him on Instagram. He's really cool. Yeah. Like he's like talking about Wonderlust. Like he loves like going he was in South Africa. He goes to Africa. He goes all these different places. Like every couple months his Instagram is him in some new country like having a good time doing jiu-jitsu. Like he did does he post pictures of his girl on Instagram? I don't know. Her ass you could sit this coconut. Really? He walked by like, "God damn,

113:52you might have got the shop shut down, but you win, my man. Your girl is ridiculous." He's a big handsome. So is yours, by the way. Yeah, it's true. Both you guys shut him down there, too. It's a double shop shut down. Double shut down. Look at that. Oh Neutralized. Damn. Check out this LA ass sonow. Wow. That would be fascinating though to see you guys under that rule set, too. That EBI rule set is dope. I love the what when we're talking about Eddie Bravo put together this invitational tournament that Brendon and I went to yesterday and Joey Diaz and um it was sensational. Best best I've ever seen. I texted you this morning. I said, "Bro, I've been to a lot of jutsu competitions. I've been in, you know, high level one myself. I've never seen anything like that." From start to beginning, you're like, "Oh shit." This is what that's great about it. It cuts out all of the like there's

114:48no no one's going to be in danger. It's going to be, you know, like a total stalemate. Even if it's a total stalemate, which some of them were, at the end of 10 minutes, you go into positions like you remember in wrestling how you'd start off uh behind someone. Well, in this Eddie will start you off. You have a choice of one of two options. Either can take spiderweb. Spiderweb means someone's defending the armbar, but you have both legs locked on them on the ground. They're they're on their back flat. You're in side control with one arm hooked and you you're holding on to the leg. That's how you're allowed to start. Ready, set, go. And you start from there. Or the other position is you take the back. Both hooks in. Over under, not under the chin, but over under like this. They're allowed to hold on. They're defending. They they hold on to your hand. Ready, set, go. And then

115:33it's a battle for there. So everyone's in danger. Yeah. Everyone's in danger. Similar to college football overtime. Yeah. where they both you're both in a dangerous position. Whoever scores first and then the cool thing is is whoever got out fastest at the end actually won. So if there's no submission So if there's no submission so they'll do like three rounds of it. Is it three rounds? Three rounds back and forth. One you one you go he gets advantage. You go or whoever taps the person first gets it. But if you go and you tap him, he has an opportunity to tap you next cuz he gets positions like it's incredible. It's so good. So, there's We're at the Orium. It's sold out. There's thousands of people. They're jiu-jitsu fans and they're going crazy. We had so much fun. Good for Eddie Bravo. Eddie Bravo's killing it. He's killing it. It's Eddie Bravo's got 50

116:24schools. Okay. I think more now. I'm saying 50. That's the last count I know of. I think he opened up a couple more of them all across the country. He's got affiliates in other countries. How about the next show? Yeah, the next show is in Mexico City, son. Amazing. $50,000 grand prize. He's going to be a mogul for grappling. For grappling 50 grand. It's about It's such a good production. It's about doing what you do really well and focusing just on that. Look what happens. I'm loving it. And he's got the best personality ever. He's just such a character. It's just And he's he's joking around while he's like refereeing. He's saying funny things while he's refereing, but not trying. You know, like something happened, he jokes around about it. It was great, man. We enjoyed the out of it. It's just so nice to see someone figure out a way to make grappling really exciting. I

117:10was planning to leave early. I'm not going to lie to you. I was going I was like what lie can I get a little depressed but then but that you know cuz usually jiu-jitsu takes forever and it's like kind of boring. That was thrilling son. Yeah. Well, I wasn't going to miss it for the world. In fact, I I flew in from Vegas. I got up at 5 in the morning. I went from Vegas. I took the airplane to LA. Drove to Disneyland. hung out with my family till 4:00, got in my car, drove to Eddie's thing, went from 5 to 8:30 at Eddie's. That's nuts, man. You know how I think on the Whitney Cummings podcast, you said you look at Kevin Hart, and he makes you feel lazy, so you want to work harder. Yeah, I think you mentioned something like that. Like you look at Kevin, that's how you what that's what you do for me. Like we I was talking about it with someone the other day.

117:54You're talking to me about it. That's Yeah. I'm like, dude, what the on the podcast? Yeah, cuz sometimes on I'm I'm still in my uh fighter kind of mindset where it's like, okay, Monday through Friday you do work, Saturday you take off, Sunday you take completely off and then reset on Monday and then Wednesday's light days. So, you know, I'm kind of used to that. But there's none of that in this world I'm in now. Not when we're doing not when we're doing that web series. Not when we're doing coming up with ideas, but all this, man. Like, and then and then I text you. I'm like, dude, you're nuts. I can't believe you do that. And you text me. You said, I don't waste time. I don't I screenshot that. You were like, I don't waste time. Like, he's It was like when I somebody wanted your number who was, you know, and uh you were like, you know what? I don't have time for people like

118:36that. I I don't want to deal with that. Yeah. Well, that dude just Yeah. I I there's there's I enjoy a lot of things. And what I found that the best way to live my life for me, I'm not saying, you know, other people some people really love their life to sit around and off. When I sit around and off, I don't like me. I like to get things done. But the things that I do, they're recreational. They're all fun. Like Disneyland was fun as with my kids. Um Eddie Bravo Invitational was fun as The UFC was fun as My show, sold out show at the C Theater where they do the Cirto Sole at MGM with Joey Diaz and Jim Norton Friday night. Fun as is fun as too. Those are jobs, right? But those are fun things. And you know, training training is fun. Standup comedy couldn't be any funner. You know, the only real work work is like got to discipline myself to sometimes work out when I don't want to,

119:26right, when I don't want to. If I but but I this is this is how I feel. It's harder for me to not do what I'm supposed to do than it is for me to do what I'm supposed to do. Cuz if I don't do what I'm supposed to do, then I deal with regret and doubt. I don't I've done it before. I've done it a lot of my life. I've felt those feelings. I don't like it. So, what I do is I just don't do that. I just say, "Well, what is the difference? If I don't do it, then I'm gonna have to feel like I didn't do it and feel like a loser. So, get after it, Well, I think I think it's good for just for people to hear to know your schedule because you're at where you're at. You know what I'm saying? Because your work ethic. So, so for me, like if I look at someone, it's like, God, how' they get there? man. The schedule is insane. It's very rare that someone is successful that doesn't have a crazy

120:11schedule. And if they are, they're not going to appreciate it. They're going to, you know, like, but it's it's all like what what is where you're at? like is where you're at where you want to be? Like are you enjoying it? Because I'm what what I'm happy about the most is that I enjoy what I do. So when I'm doing like if I was working as a CEO of some corporation or something like that and I was putting all these crazy hours, like the same kind of hours I put in now, the same kind of effort, I'd probably be a miserable drunk pill popping psychopath who's just looking to escape and go bang hookers or something. I'd be looking for some sort of a release. You need to know why you're doing it. Like I think you got to get back to the why. Sometimes when you lose motivation, you've got to you've got to go back to the why. What are you really trying to do? You know, it's it's like

120:53with standup. I was thinking about this this weekend a lot and and you get to a point in standup and you know this is making a lot of people laugh for an hour is not really a lot of people can do that. Are you are you growing? Are you writing new stuff? Are you being thematic? Are you surprising yourself? Are you coming up with a whole new angle, a new idea? Or are you falling back on your old tricks? even if it's a variation on that theme and that that challenge never goes away. Yeah. There's that feeling when you don't do a new joke because you're like you're scared of it. It's not going so well. So, you go back to some old stuff you know works and it gets a lot of pills, but you feel hollow. You feel dead inside. Well, you can't can't fake yourself. You can't trick yourself. No. The guys who can are monsters. Terrible. I mean, I feel I feel unauthentic. And also when

121:42you do stand up and you have people coming back to see you three times or whatever, you owe it to them. I can't come back with the same bag of tricks and it's really hard to write new material. It's really hard to have a new hour and be thematic after a year. It's really really difficult. But part of me dies when I go back sometimes in my to to to old faithful just to get that laugh just but you also have to be entertaining. You know, one of the things I said I talked to Jim Jeff about this. I'm like, "When you do, not Jim Jeff, Jim Gaffigan, like when you do a new special, do you abandon all your own material?" He goes, "Yeah, a lot of it." But he goes, "It's important for me to do new stuff, but it's also important for me to do well. It's like the people pay a lot of money to come see me. I have to make sure the show is really good." And sometimes I get people shout

122:25out. They like some of the old stuff. They want to see the old the new the old songs. So, you'll give it to them and stuff, but Well, Jeff has or excuse me, Gaffigan, I keep doing that. Gaffigan has that with that Hot Pockets thing. It's almost like you can't do stand up without doing that hot pocket. People want to see it. Yeah. And sometimes Louis CK, they'll yell out the bag of dicks. You had some that bag of dicks joke, you know. Yeah, man. You miss some of those old beats and those old songs, you know, but but you you I think if you're not constantly a little bit uncomfortable, this is going to sound weird, but I was thinking about this. I I go and spar with Chris Vaner and he doesn't beat me up. He doesn't hit me. I mean, he'll hit me, but I say, "Just don't break my jaw. Don't, please don't hit me in the nose. But I'm nervous. I'm always nervous. I don't want to go spar.

123:07I don't want to do it. I'm nervous. And we move around and we'll go four rounds. I'm exhausted. I look like I get hit. I I'm I don't feel good. But when I do that and I feel uncomfortable and I sit in my car and I'm all sweaty and I'm and you know I I did a bad job, but I overcame that fear on a Saturday and I went and did it anyway. Something happens where I get more creative where I just start writing. I don't know what it is, but it opens up a different channel. Yeah, it's brain drama. Maybe. Maybe. It's also a lack of regret because you don't have the regret that you Yeah, you didn't you didn't shy away from something that was challenging to you. Instead, you embraced it and then you got excited to the fact that you did it. Hey, I did it. And being excited about things also is like creative fuel. I think it's so important to do that. I tell you what,

123:50I'm not finding that physically. I get it mentally from all the shows and our merchandise and doing all this and the podcast, but as far as physically, take this class. Take it. But you're you're getting it a little bit out of um I just realized that's a fighter in the kid t-shirt. The Metallica shirt. Yeah, you're not mad at that. That's our West Coast. Uh Well, I can't wait for Scrooge McDuck. There will be a Scrooge McDuck fighter in the Kid shirt. I will be wearing it on this podcast. It will be limited edition because Warner Brothers will find out about it and it will be a problem. But release it on the darkness. He's going to have to sell it only with Bitcoin. It's like so nobody could get money out of it. Huh, Sue? Huh? I didn't get any money for those. I got to We're out of here. I got to run 4:30. Come see me in the at the Atlanta improv this weekend. Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

124:36It's a great room. It's a great room. I I I love Atlanta. Love it. I'm doing the tabernacle there um in January, I think. Sold out. Sorry. You do theaters. Fire in the Kid Live. You know how I do. Fighting the Kid Live. Go to tfk.com. How we doing? We do. We got Seattle. How we doing? Seattle, Portland. We We uh Seattle, Portland, Vegas, San Diego. Everyone else sold out. Fighterintheidlive.com. Is that what it is? Uh, no. It's just tfatk.com. Tat improv this weekend. T FatK. And I'm at the Bobcat in Orlando on Friday night. All right. See you later, you See you later, you