Christina Sommers

00:01three two one and Booyah we're live so uh you have a wonderful nickname Miss Summers uh do people use still use Miz is Miz gone I don't see that anymore you see it on fors Ms as like a possib but like possibility Harvard was it Harvard what which one of the major Ivy League schools what adding a bunch of different gender right different gender neutral pronouns like z h e and they were adding a bunch of crazy new ones they have invented have you seen these yeah things like gyo americ that's a that's a good one what does that mean that's what I am a gyo americ I think I want to be one can I be a gyo American is that okay Aspire do you have to be one of your nicknames though is a based mom yes which is I know that term from the rap world like based like there's what's that dude Lil be the based God is that his name um and but I didn't know what based means but I've

01:00heard it used a bunch of times and it's always a positive yes descriptive right that's right so I had to Jamie's very he's into the hip-hop world if I have to go to him the young kids um so I had to Google it and there's an urban dictionary definition based is all about being yourself and not caring about what anybody else thinks right so they use it as anpt um sorry they use it as a um an example it's when you don't care like uh that bag looks gay on you I don't care I'm based ah I didn't know that that that seems like I didn't I thought that I thought it would be a different def I thought like based mom is like you're cool that's what I thought yeah and I said so because they called me that for quite a while it's mainly The Gamers and gamergate and uh then they explained that no it means to be authentic and you say what you think you're not hypocritical so it's a I mean I I think

02:04it's a great compliment being based and being a mom it seems quite positive yes but uh it it was a very funny nickname um so you got involved in this whole gamergate thing because I I found out about you through uh I guess through the whole gamergate thing because someone had called me an MRA once and I I don't remember what the context of it was but it was something involving something that had to do with feminism and uh they they called it to me as a pejorative and I was like what is that what is an MRA so I had to Google it and then when I realized it was men's rights Advocate and I was like I can't believe that a feminist is making fun of me it's using a negative term men's rights advocate so that like it's bad to care about men's rights like what what's going on here so that made me get deeper into the rabbit hole of Miss Christina Summers and then I started watching your

02:57factual feminism videos and I started listening to some of your conversations and I became very impressed but I I I also became very perplexed because you face a lot of backlash and uh I I found that perplexing because everything that I saw you seem to be very reasonable very measured uh very informed like how did you polite very polite how did you get on this kind of crazy Journey almost as like if I mean correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like I don't want to say you're redefining feminism but you're redefining it after it's been redefined does that they actually taking taking it back to its original Noble purpose which was about equality basic fairness to women that women and men should enjoy equal Liberty and dignity rights of course but feminism has drifted into I think a kind of female chauvinism and I became a feminist many years ago decades ago because I did not

03:59appreciate male chauvinism I still don't but I don't like female chauvinism that's what we have today too much of that and is there an origin of all this I mean there's there one thing that you could point to where this all started because it seems like the the origins of like if you go back and watch like old movies and take a look at old culture it's very clear there's a lot of sexism going on like men would smack women in old movies and it was it was like it seemed like that's like in other than reading books that's the the best interpretation of the time so if you go back to those 1950s films and look at how people treated each other it seems like there were much Clear definitions that women were struggling against like this this idea that women were inferior that the the whole stereotype of women belong barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen like this was this is what young

04:53women were fighting against or women period were fighting against when feminism sort of started its March that's right and then what happened particularly in the academy and I was teaching philosophy in the 1980s and the chairman of my department asked me to teach a course in feminist Theory and I thought fine I'm a theorist I'm a feminism I sent away for the textbooks I was shocked by what came through the mail I spent the summer reading these books and as a as a philosophy professor of many years I thought there was a sacred commandment about college teaching Thou shalt teach both sides of the argument it never occurred to me it was my job as a teacher to take my views about the world and and and implant them in the minds of my students I wanted to give them the the techniques to make their own decisions and you do that one way to do that is to give them the best

05:43that was thought and said on both sides of a contentious issue well these textbooks were not like that they were a series of mutually reinforcing readings and it was a conspiracy theory about the patriarchy butress by inflated statistics so I after spending a summer reading this books I wrote a paper and and gave I went to the American philosophical Association and presented it and I will tell you typically at the American philosophical Association if you give a paper people are it's very combative H but then you go out for drinks well we did not go out for drinks uh I gave this paper women mostly women in the audience were hissing and booing and I was excommunicated from a religion I didn't even know existed the Church of feminism I was I was I considered a that I'd committed an act of heresy what was your take on it that was so offensive well I said that uh that feminism should

06:40be about mutual respect it should be about equality not the demonization of men it was as if they had if you could reduce it to a few phrases it would be Women Are from Venus Men Are from hell and I thought that's absurd why would we want to teach courses like that the demonize men let's let's celebr humanity and have and you know and also accuracy because these texts were filled with what I've come to call advocacy statistics or in some cases hate statistics sort of designed to create uh just anger in women and they happen not to be true but they work very well as propaganda so as a philosophy Professor I was very upset to see classrooms being used to disseminate propaganda and twisted conspiracy theories about patriarchy so I tried to correct it and what happened was I the radicals were already there in the academy and they do not tolerate descent well I mean you see

07:38it today on campus what you're seeing happening on the campus today at Yale these terrible confrontations between these some are calling them cry bullies now um and and professors and so forth these these angry mobs I have can been confronting them for years but now the public is beginning to notice well you've been confronting them only from the standpoint of feminism right I mean what was going on in Yale was uh a a professor had written a letter saying that children should probably have the right to be a little bit outrageous and perhaps even offensive in their Halloween costumes right and just Halloween costumes this led to this massive outrage explosion anger what seems like to me something about it just seems really fake it something about it seems like there's people that have the green light this what I like there's a lot of these issues where I feel like

08:36the reaction that people have it's not a genuine reaction that what the reaction represents is a green light to be an it's like if you think that you be really mean they're really mean these people and they want people's jobs they want their heads on a PL I never argued with anybody that I wanted their you know to fire them you want to convince them but this is something different this is uh fanatical well it's because there's a certain amount of power that's involved in social media a certain amount of power involved in this it is in fact a mob mentality and a mob mentality is a very real real mentality whether it's an actual mob out on the street in the middle of a riot or whether it's a bunch of people on Twitter that get riled up into a frothy rage dangerous and start attacking people the way that this one girl was screaming at that Professor who was speaking in very logical and very

09:26measured tones and she was screaming at him and a mob can't be reasoned with and mo it's the worst possible display of irrationality and to have it on a campus and right now the Deans the college presidents they are so Craven and they are writing these you know self-abnegating letters and saying oh I'm so sorry and I honor this conversation honor the conversation with a with an angry mob I mean it's well it seems like what that woman did when she wrote that original letter was take take a little bit of a chance against the mob was take a little bit of a chance and this is the reaction the mob was like you you know no we're the mob and that woman screaming at her husband oh I believe it's her husband right a distinguished uh I think he's a sociologist yes and he was being very fair and and engaging them outside in the open in this incredibly large group

10:21but it it was funny how he he had to do it because there was so many people around and some of them couldn't hear what he was saying he's saying well well I will raise my voice so that you will be able to hear me but I'm not yelling at her I'm raising my voice it was so you can hear me and then they say don't yell at us whatever he would turn to one group of students because they would say you're not looking at us he would turn and then the students behind him would say you're not you know this man could not win he was in a terrible situation all because of Halloween costumes exactly these children these CH I call them children they I wouldn't have called college students children but now they they it's so they're so infantile but worse than that it's it's it's infantile yes but it's infused with bitter divisive Hardline politics that they learned in their classrooms and

11:10that's how I tie it to what I read in these textbooks these paranoid theories these theories that I read incited a fair amount of women not not most I mean I think most college women would read these texts and just move on but about 10 to 15% will become fixated and sort of intoxicated with rage and I T over the years and now I I mean the same similar things have gone on with race scholarship and um and gender politics there's similar phenomena well it seems to me that certain ideologies can become like they they can become contagious and they're also very intoxicating it's very intoxicating to be a part of a group that's being opposed and that is opposing you're on a team you're on you're in a war you're on an army and you're against the patriarchy you have an enemy and you're against whatever the hell it is like when those kids storm that did you see the uh the the latest

12:05one where they there was a study hall and these kids in there are studying and these guys came in there with signs screaming black lives matter black lives matter like what okay do you are these people who are studying are they the ones who are op pressing you are they who are you trying to impart this wisdom to I know they would it was ridiculous I saw it and and if if the students didn't get up and join them they came over and accused them it looked like a struggle SE session or something in a fanatical government and and they don't have power but what if they did yes they would be very scary well looked like an onion article come to life I know the world has become on campus is an onion art yeah it's almost impossible to distinguish so what what caused all this though how did this happen why are there not more measured intelligent people that are trying to raise children and

13:00and and teach them how to be measured and intelligent adults and look at things objectively like what is what is causing this underlying sort of theme that's this this delusional theme that's repeating itself well first of all there are lots of reasonable professors even in women's studies there are re reasonable professors but they are not the vocal uh there's a vocal minority of professors who are apparently for certain students charismatic and they have for years been teaching these these paranoid views of the world and inciting rage against men gender profiling of men and and they have a following and this little following has been there all along but about um two years ago the Department of Education sent out essentially an edict warning colleges that if you don't take strong measures against uh sexual harass harassment and and the rape culture they

14:01didn't use the word rape culture but they alluded to it if you do not take all of these measures uh you will be held accountable and can lose your funding now to the Department's credit they wanted to do something about campus assault that's fine but they went too far they believed the uh propaganda about what's happening on the college and they gave a cure that was worse than the disease I mean the Cure was to turn campuses into a little so pink police States some call them feminist police states where every joke is now monitored and and you're supposed to be reporting other students if you hear a remark that could be interpreted as sexist and this is happening at at public universities where the last time I looked were you know part of you know the the the US Constitution applies the students are being policed by people that have no right to do it but this was uh incited

14:55by the by the Department of Education How Bizarre uh so that's that's the original that's the root if you go back and look when did words like trigger warning safe space microaggression you know we didn't hear these three four years ago what happened was the these angry groups who've always been there they were empowered by um the assistant Secretary of Education the Department of Education she basically told them you can make a federal case out of uh you know someone walking by and you know a microaggression and they consider everything a man does a microaggression what is a microaggression like give me a definition of aggressive thing would be to punch somebody right uh or to use an obvious you know just intolerably sexist or racial slur a microaggression would be um what something that is demeaning but you don't person doesn't necessarily intend it and they they would say you know

15:53somebody saying hi beautiful that's a microagression oh yes a man holding oor open for a girl that would be that's benevolent sexism and those are microaggressive maybe not micro maybe uh Nano aggression what if you're a straight man and you hold open a door for a a lesbian well if she's a nice person she'll be grateful but what if you're a gay man you hold up at the door for a straight man do you get accused of microaggression there it seems like I you know you're trying to tease out the The Logical implications of their mess with you can't you yeah you said before it's a rabbit hole you will never emerge a sane person I I've p over the last two years or so uh when I started going down this Rabbit Hole I started visiting these websites and uh visiting a lot of forums that you could easily just called Echo Chambers and looking at what happens first of all when someone

16:51disagrees even politely they're banned instantly when someone had any there was a one was a a a topic about um sexual assault in terms of drinking about what is what is rape and the the the subject was they were discussing they were accusing someone a man of rape because he and a woman had gotten drunk together and had sex so the man had raped the woman and it was it was very bizarre because well they say that and and you'll say wait a minute what if they are both equally drunk they and do we and I asked this I was at a debate at the University of Virginia I debated a law professor I said then are you saying two people could rape each other at the same time you know they're both drunk she she thought that was a perfectly possible you know situation and that is such a degradation of language a trivialization of a serious crime but they have in expanded the meaning of

17:52terms so that now sexual assault encompasses just normal behavior that people enjoy which is uh it has been known to happen that people have drinks and then have sex well it's a giant percentage of the culture becomes rapist then um yes most of the people even even throughout history and throughout the world today yeah 90% of the adults of the world would probably be deemed rapists and I I also don't understand why it is automatically the the guy's fault if it's if it's consensual I'm not talking about someone being incapacitated blackout drunk that's reasonable people would see that as an as an assault but just that you're both really drunk and you have sex um why is he the rapist uh because that tends to be what happens on the campus they do blame the young man they don't say you raped each other they will take her side if if she can show they'd had drinks and I find this uh another

18:51strange thing that's happening with feminism today is that it's going I call it fainting couch feminism it's almost as if we're going back to the victoriia era where there was delicate ladies prayed upon by men and as if the women aren't moral agents I mean if you take a lot of drinks uh you're probably have made a decision to lower your inhibitions and be wild what all kinds of things are going on that would explain that you're still an agent in in charge of of your you know yourself self-mastery but they deny this of women it's all is though women have no agency and are you know constantly triggered need safe spaces at Brown University by the way they had two feminists debating one of them was a Libertarian uh great Wendy McElroy and she didn't believe the statistics and another was Jessica Valente Hardline feminist they were debating but that was fine it was a debate you think that

19:45would make everyone happy both sides well represented no the brown feminists were traumatized by the very idea that someone would be invalidating our experience they use that phrase and they they formed a safe room a safe space where you could go which had videotapes of frolicking puppies coloring books bubbles what stuffed animals no yes for adults and this was described in in uh the New York Times by one a cover story in the New York Times magazine by juli Judith schvitz and this was the safe space and you read it and you're you're astonished that the of the infantilization puppies puppies frolicking puppies bubbles coloring books yeah I I get it it's kindergarten for that's it hurts my brain I hurts I I just don't I I think there's there's a connection that a lot of people have that um somehow or another sex with regret is bad it's negative and that sex

20:51with regret when it comes to alcohol that perhaps since men are classically the pursuers that there's coer involved and even though the man is intoxicated he did that on his own he did that in order to sort of lure the girl in and then have sex with her but that's not rape and at the end of the day even though that's kind of sleazy Behavior at the end of the day it's just sex like why is sex so bad like it's sex is not terrible what's terrible is rape actual rape is terrible being terrified and you know thinking you're to be killed or whatever some a horrible experience and this is a bad date you know or a bad hookup I guess they would call it in where you were you know didn't know you maybe you'd regret it the next day and we do see on campus I've watched these cases where these young women will they wouldn't they don't report these things and sometimes they have to take a gender

21:43studies class A year later and then they bring charges and there is no way it's it's metaphysically impossible to have any evidence of what happened but if she can and and young men have been thrown off campus and or you know sort of tarred with the with the uh stigma of being a rapist I had Thaddius Russell on who's an author and a professor at ocidental and he was talking about how there was a case where uh a man and a woman who were going to school there got drunk and had sex and the man was accused of rape because of this and kicked out of school MH and the girl stayed they were both equally drunk she sent him Tex saying you know come on over do you have condoms like the whole deal it was but somehow or another you're not responsible for sexual activity when you're drunk but you are responsible for driving you're responsible if you commit violence

22:37you're not exonerated from any of those things if you're drunk but somehow if if a woman has sex when she's drunk with a man we'll try this out on on the LAPD you you uh you know you drink a lot and let's say I get stopped by the police and then I say he gave me drinks he gave me drinks I I have you oh then they arrest him I don't think so I think that we recognized that uh I would be the guilty party but when I in this article that I was or this uh Forum that I was reading where they were accusing this guy uh his name is Michael shurmer I don't know if you know who he is you know his story he a famous skeptic oh yes of course I know the story well he was he was uh the guy who was accused and he was accused of U being uh a womanizer a drunk and that he got some girl drunk and had sex with and they were calling it rape and uh one of the the P things that they were were saying

23:30during this whole thing was someone had come in and said why is it that when you're drunk you're you're responsible for all these other things but you're not responsible for sex and that person was immediately banned from the Forum they're immediately kicked out like you can't entertain that angle you can't entertain that possibility well that's what the that's that's why the it's I would call these people Fanatics because they it's not simply that they you know want to do all they can to promote their side they don't want the other side to get a hearing they they do not believe in intellectual pluralism or political pluralism it's my side and only my side and everyone is discredited IM immediately simply for not agreeing with them and they're being reinforced by these incredibly bizarre men the these male feminist men and not all of them I mean some of them are doing it for all

24:22the right reasons some of them are doing it because they want equality and they think that women should be treated as equals but there's a lot of them are doing it for social brownie points and they're they're doing it to be considered as like uh a higher ethical or moral standard to the the women that they're pursuing well I think a lot of them do it also because they believe it yeah and they maybe they had very feminist mothers reinforced by teachers and then if they took gender studies my goodness that that you know it's all there in the texts and so people I mean it I I forgive students because I know that they have gone through Relentless propaganda when it comes to gender because there's the the the gender police have the gender activists have not allowed dissident voices and that we're here there are many professors that agree with me people like Camille

25:14Pia and Wendy camer many journalists like the great you know Kathy young and and on and on but we have been uh you know demonized and and our voices are not you know we're not invited to the table well classically feminine women are also demonized women who wear skirts and like high heels and like the the just painted nails and makeup and things that you know people may enjoy that look for some reason that's a negative thing like some reason you're you're falling into what the patriarchy has set up for you you're you're you're fulfilling their self-d demeaning stereotypes in some way that's you can't like it you can't like lipstick you know you're not allowed to like fake eyelashes or whatever the hell you like wearing it's unless you're transsexual if you're transsexual you're allowed to go a full whole hog Betty Davis from the 1950s you could do whatever you want yeah there are

26:10different schools I mean some of them don't they don't go after that but they but they uh want you to know that femininity and masculinity are strictly performances that none of it has a basis in biology that's where it gets crazy right and it gets very crazy social constructs social a social construct well there it's partly a of course culture plays a role but biology does too and there's a kind of nature nurture divide and and it's just not sensible to teach students both and it's if you look at the biologist the physiologist you many of the psychologists they'll tell you there are very clear male female differences and not that everyone embodies them but most of us do and so they're denying what almost everyone can see with their own eyes so that's also people that can really buy into this this sort of gender intense gender activism they have to be able to believe

27:10what they're reading in the text and not what they see with their eyes or even in their own Hearts so that it's it has the makings of as I've said a sort of fanatical movement well it's Looney it's not just fanatical it's it's Biz like you're you're listening to some of the things that people say I watched a video where a woman was talking about gender being a social construct construct and she was talking about the differences that are often cited between men and women physically and they're just because of physical activity that the activities that the men choose versus the activities that the women choose and if the women engag in the same activities they would have the same physical abilities as the man I was like what the are you talking about that's denying testosterone the role it plays in muscle development and the difference in bone structure and just it's denying

27:58yeah yeah I mean people talk about oh on the right there's they're anti-science and there is some of that but on the left it's more consequential because these people are in the universities Cooks on right tend not to be on the campuses but these people are teaching in in in our most elite schools well gender is the only area where you it doesn't seem like you are allowed to have an objective conversation about the statistics or the facts like if you question things or if you have any questions about the facts or the statistics you become like you become questioned like you're you're you're a bad person you're you're you're a person with alternative motives like you can't just be looking at objective like how what is the number one like someone had told me one in four women have been raped and I'm like wow that that doesn't seem right like one in four women have

28:49met creeps 100% it's probably more like 90 90% of women have met creeps right uh how many have actually been raped is it one and four Is that real so we started Googling it and you know we found all these different numbers but there's no Hardline numbers and that could be attributed to a bunch of things first of all the very real fact that many women that have been involved in a horrible situation like that don't want to report it they they don't want to be shamed they don't want to they just they they would rather pretend it didn't happen and move on with their life they' rather bury it that is a certain percentage of the population and then what how many have actually been raped I mean how many have been how many have falsely accused men of rape when nothing really happened you can't even say that if you say that if you even admit that that's a reality

29:38you are some sort of an apologist you're a rape apologist you're a rape enabler rap yeah there's something but this is these are facts that's happened to friends of mine I've had friends that have absolutely not raped someone and been accused of it and had to go to court and had to deal with a bunch of things and hire lawyers and eventually the charges were dropped but the fact remains that they were accused right of course it happens this one in four and one in five it's been around for years what what is the origin of it oh it started with research uh promoted by Miz magazine it was one of the original what I call advocacy studies it was someone that did a study not to find the truth but to butress an ideology about patriarchy and in this case uh I don't want to keep going after her but it was a professor at the time uh well I think she's at the University of Arizona and she

30:28if you look at the survey she asked a series of questions so some of them were good and and she didn't ask were you ever raped if you ask people you get a very low number so you what they've learned to do is ask around and say have you ever been you know violently threatened and then someone had sex you know well that's fine but she also said have you ever had sex when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol and anybody that said yes was counted as a rape victim now I can imagine case is where you had sex when you didn't want to because you know you passed out no one denies that is rape but this question invited people that to well yeah I did have sex I really wish I hadn't had it and yeah I was drunk all those people now the this became the basis this study became the basis for the one and four number now it's one and five because there have been other

31:18studies that sort of copied this methodology the second thing she found the vast majority of the women did not think it was rape they thought it was miscommunication so they did not agree with that she was classifying it as rape and put that number out there and I think a majority dated their alleged rapist again not not what You' expect from someone who's a victim of a heinous you know crime so they ask vague questions and then they get they get their numbers and then it gets into the media and the media doesn't realize I think that the gender Scholars have an agenda and they're not like if you teach in a women studies I don't want to say women's studies because there are serious Scholars but if you're in a gender studies department or gender Theory your your views are not checked by objective Scholars they're just checked by other people that share your

32:10worldview so there hasn't been this quality control would be in the Sciences exactly so we're getting a lot of of of just specious statistics that are out there this one and four is the classic case when the Bureau of Justice statistics which sets the gold standard for research on on crime they find on the campus that the number is closer to 1 in 50 or 1 in 53 for sexual assault and they do they Define sexual assault by is that rape it's both rape and it's uh you know some kind of serious physical that's still pretty horrible it's terrifying that's every two one one in 50 is awful it is but but one in 50 versus one in four it's the difference between like War torn comgo and the you know in the United States right one in four is the Congo right it's probably not it's probably more like 90% probably Congo's pretty horrible well there are there are places in time

33:08of War where rape is used as a weapon of War and the rates are but swathmore college Yale University Berkeley they are not the war tour in Congo so yeah there is too much I always say there is too much sexual assault on campus and it is part probably part of the the combin of the hookup culture and the binge drinking culture it's a big problem but it's not a problem that of patriarchy it's probably you know just it needs a different solution but what they do is want to make it seem as though we have these sex criminals these Predators hunting for young women on the campus and it's probably you know an awkward 19-year-old boy who you know thought this girl liked him and they got drunk and had sex and then she can say that he was a rapist and he he had no intention and no awareness of doing anything wrong and he could be ruined I mean instantly ruined you I hear from some of these

34:08young men and I know of a psychologist psychology a psychologists are beginning to get these young men in their practice because they come in they are devastated you become a nonperson and and you are shamed and it's one of the worst things you can do to a person if you're a victim of a crime it's a horrible thing but people will sympathize with you and your dignity is intact but if you are accused of being like I mean it's like being accused of of being a a child molester or to be called a rapist it's not much better and people revile you and now we're doing this very casually young men on our campuses can be called a rapist because of a a drunken hookup and then he will bear that stigma for life because the internet never forgets and in some cases the colleges will put it on his record and when he goes to transfer I'm just going to get out of here and start over he can't because

35:04it's there so we've got to change this this is a terrible miscarriage of Justice now this person you don't have to name name her but the woman who created this study oh Mary C how dare you can't believe you just went actually she's become more reasonable lately with the but that's it's probably a blowback to people recognizing that her statistics are kind of shitty I think she's shocked by what's happened well she became quite famous and and quite sought after because of this yes well that's very intoxicating as well yes you can here's the thing to know about Academia you can make a career on documenting victimization especially if you can get high numbers uh victimization of women you can make a now if you come in with low numbers it's the opposite it can be career diminishing and there are very serious wonderful criminologists who did studies and came up with relatively low figures

35:58and they become demonized they found themselves not invited you know to apply for jobs and or or um denied tenure there are no motives there's no motive right now to tell the truth about women's victimization there are huge incentives to exaggerate it and so it stays there unchallenged and I think the journalists don't fully understand this they said but I got this from a scholar at the University of Arizona I got this from a scholar at Cornell but what don't know is this scholar may be an ideologue or had an agenda that's that got in the way of her or sometimes his objectivity well it seems like this is the type of cyclical thing this this this these reinforcing ideologies that you're going to teach these children these children will grow up to comp complete their education and become professors and continue that sort of cycle without ever breaking this pattern and it could

37:01be a real problem if if the universities continue to teach these ideologies without question without some sort of a some sort of a I would say peer review but it seems like their peers are just reinforcing ideologist so what what how does that how does this ever get fixed well I I don't know it has to fix maybe it gets fixed from you doing your well do those videos you're you're so calm and logical and you know you're very reasonable and they have a tremendous amount of views and I think I think there's a lot of people that when they get called a rape apologist or a bigot or what whatever that they don't when they don't agree with it they get angry and then they join the other team they were like well these feminists they're all crazy you know I'm on team men like Alfalfa join the manwoman Haters Club you know remember that our gang most people don't I'm old but the

38:03the reality is most people I think most people just want to be around nice people most peoplea most people and most people they don't want to discriminate I think most people don't want to discriminate by about when it comes to race or when it comes to gender or when it comes to anything most people just want people to rise through their life or get through whatever they're trying to get through by virtue of the quality of their their acts by virtue of their behavior by virtue of their work like you you want to treat people the way they deserve to be treated and we all want to sort of elevate through this existence so this idea that there's these teams the problem is you get you get pushed back from one side and then you just join the other team you know well it's making it's it it is creating blowback but it it most people I don't think even join another team they just withdraw not

38:55everybody's temperamentally suited to be in this it's it's combat right and believe me I did not I didn't consciously think oh I'm going to confront these people and be a you know a warrior I thought naively I'm going to confront them and then maybe I'm a little bit wrong but they're a little bit wrong and we'll we'll we'll meet in the middle or or who knows that didn't happen so that's why I I just don't like bullies and we are there's just this the gender studies is the result of of a massive endless bullying campaign by those who will not they just accept dissident voices yeah it's it's very strange it's a very strange predicament because I I don't see a clear exit strategy I look at this confusion and one of the things I also started doing after being called a men's rights Advocate is to find what are these crazy bastards into is men's rights and well then they've got some

39:55goddamn good points too unfortunately you know you go to men's rights advocacy websites and you see these horrible stories of these guys getting destroyed in divorce court and losing everything they have being prayed upon by unscrupulous women that go after them and marry them and take all their money and they have no recourse and that there were set up women set up some sort of a got some restrain restraining order against them by uh a judge and that that sets up the idea that there're some sort of an abuser and without any physical proof they can be accused of these things and then when they go to court this all comes to light and then I've seen some crazy that I've read online about child custody battles where the men were accused of sexually molesting their children by the woman where there was no evidence whatsoever and the women coached the the kids into

40:48saying these things horrific horrific stuff on both sides and then these men they all lump into these men's rights groups these guys that have been destroyed by women and they just decide that women are decide that women are are you know the enemy and that they just want to go to South America and get prostitutes you know I mean I've literally read these articles where these guys are talking about like this is how you do it you go to South America and you find a girl you know that she's willing to have sex with you for money they're way hotter than American women I'm like what the is going on here well you know they need to know a couple of things one is that believe it or not most women are still nice and they love men and I want to say most women it's a good percent a good percentage and 60% I don't know what a percentage but um let me put it this way

41:35it's unusual to be that carried away with gender politics now there may be more today because it's getting more currency and it's become sort of fashionable so to be snarky and and and unpleasant um but it's still it it doesn't you have to be tempor you have to be a little neurotic I think to be that vulnerable to the these hate ideology IES so it's not the average young woman that would be vulnerable to these ideologies but a lot are you have to stay away from them but there are many sweet women out there who will not behave that way and are fair-minded the other thing is that I don't call myself a men's rights activist I'm not I'm not advocating for men I'm advocating for truth it just happens that most of the misinformation not all of it but most of it is now uh targeted against men so I do this weekly video series that you know I just try to correct a myth each

42:33week and most of them are myths that are they're feminist myths um about how bad men are and they're almost always wrong and I correct them so people say well you're a men's rights activist no I'm a I'm a human rights activist I'm a truth activist a common sense activist and if you want to call me a men's right activist fine but that's not actually what I'm doing well I have a friend uh Cara Santa Maria who's a brilliant scientist and neurosurgeon or she was a neuroscientist rather and just uh not a surgeon she opera on brains but she called she said you're a feminist and I'm like I'm definitely not a feminist I'm not I'm I'm a I'm a humanist and that's a it's a it's a term that people like to use but I'm an I I I I like people I like smart people whether they're men or women I don't know me too I don't I don't want there to be only men in power or only women in power I

43:24think that's stupid I think it's like Chinese people I like people from Vietnam I like people from everywhere I just I like people that are interesting and I just want you to be I I want people to actually be judged or to be to be considered based on their merits not based like instantly judged or demonized because they happen to have a penis or instantly demeaned because they happen to have a vagina I think it's stupid it's stupid it's identity politics and it's it's going nowhere right except all it does is divide people and make people big yes and it has to stop now you say well how is it going to stop um Mom well I'm trying but I'm also optimistic that there there has to be a limit to irrationality and eventually it will fall I just wish it would be sooner rather than later well I think what we're dealing with today um with our new access to information that we've enjoyed

44:23over the last decade or so I think two decades but really it's sort of taking hold with social media where people don't just have access to information but they also have a voice um you're you're you're finding Echo Chambers like we discussed earlier where you get these groups these radical groups on both sides the red pill men's rights debate debate people and the people that are on the side of women's rights and then these male feminists and there's a thing called atheism plus which is hilarious I can't figure out atheism plus what is it you can't they can't figure it out I can't I thought is it a it's a religion oh it's basically a religion it's atheism it's no no well okay there's no they not they don't consider deities but they want a group of core ethical and moral values so I think if you wanted to boil it down a lot of people would be atheism plus inclined the idea being that you

45:18are want to be a good person and you don't want to be you don't want to sexually discriminate or racially discriminate and you uh also don't happen to believe in a magic person that lives in the clouds like that seems fairly reasonable until you listen to these talk and they give the most pedantic boring lectures oh my God I sat down I smoked a joint and I watched this one guy's lecture and I'm like this is like the longest you know they have those videos they do on dating sites where people hi I'm Mike I like to play tennis like this is like his version of it just saying you know how abor you know ual discrimination was or racial discrimination was is basically like just open it was duh that's what it was it was like duh you shouldn't murder people duh you shouldn't steal duh like you're who the are you talking to you're you're preaching to the choir I mean you are at a atheism plus

46:15conference and you're you're you're preaching about the idea that you shouldn't sexually or racially discriminate did the audience react well um yes yes it's boring what he's saying is boring there's no original unique points it's just reinforcing the idea which is better than a hate rally it's better than going to see a bunch of skin heads talk about the white man needs to get back to Power it's definitely better than that but it's still a lot of duh and what's the point of it really they get together they have these conferences they have atheism conferences the point is these are social Gatherings where they all reinforce their ideas together what it is they drink and then they rape each other that's what happens they drink and then they have sex and they're both raping that's what happens it's a lot of what these things are social hookups these people get together and it becomes

47:03a main focus of them they also make a certain amount of money because they charge money for people to come to these gatherings so they come to these gatherings they rent out like a conference Hall somewhere and they come and they hand out pamphlets and they sell t-shirts and then they have these little parties and these little events and then they you know you have to pay money to get a badge and you go to this thing and these people talk and then they drink it's hilarious nothing gets done I mean literally absolutely nothing gets done but what they're doing is they're sort of reinforcing their ideas they're not negative ideas they're they're fairly positive ideas it's like it's not bad it's not horrible they're not bad people they're good people when the guy was standing there on that the Das and he was explaining all his core values and I'm like good I believe I I

47:47agree with you on everything but man you can't just say that I think you should eat healthy food I think you should get eight hour sleep sleep at night I think if you driving in your car and an old lady's on the road do not run her over yes don't run the old lady over you know what the man don't shoot puppies you know don't drown kittens it's a lot of du there's a there's a lot of that in I think in the academy where they will it will be just broides and pointless truisms then mixed in with harsher things so they'll say and we all agree you should you should be respectful of other people and not demean them with costumes and F I don't want to see someone in black face or humiliating someone with a costume but then they will so that sounds fine and we all agree but then they will go after a museum because they have an exhibit of of of you know uh kimonos and

48:41say that's cultural appropriation this is the new thing cultural appropriating costume so we can't well cultural appropriation that is what most of the history of culture is what was it kimono KN at a museum beautiful thing they were doing at the Museum of Fine Arts they were bringing in Exquisite kimonos public was learning to appreciate them and you could try one on which I certainly would have wanted to do and have a picture because they're so lovely and I'm sure the Japanese love this most people if other cultures are interested in yours art forms you're you're you're proud right well people with too much time on their hands staged an you know an angry intervention this was a microaggression or macroaggression and uh and and I think the museum had to apologize and they're not going to do so stupid it's like if you go to a Hawaiian Hotel a lot of times they'll

49:31give you one of those grass skirts they're pretty cool they don't get mad oh maybe we can't wear lays anymore when you wear when you get well they give them to you they put them on they say welcome even the if you go to um over the border around in California to Tijana there everyone's selling some Bros and it's they're going to drive them out of business with this well they go cultural misappropriation this is horrible this is the patriarchy well black lives matter what about Brown lives Brown lives matter the whole thing is ridiculous but it's I think a lot of it is what we're saying is that when when we have social media and when you see these people that are saying all these things on social media that are you know a lot of people agree with a lot of really relevant points when it comes to uh racism or sexism or all these things why are they saying these things are they saying these

50:28things because these things are actually important to them or are they saying these things because they know people are going to read them and they're going to like them because of what they said it's almost like it's almost like the whole world is becoming slowly but surely a giant reality show cuz if you watch reality television when those people behave on those shows and those cameras are on them they're very aware those cameras are on them so they say crazy they do crazy things like um I have a friend who has a friend who's one of those Housewives The Real Housewives right and it's a sad story the real story is sad she's just trying to get attention and she wants to write books and try to make money and she's a single mom like there's there's a lot of sadness behind it the reality but when you see her on the show you see this big boisterous you see a lot of acting out a

51:19lot of craziness and you would go oh well that girl is a this but if you in reality she's not she's not a bad person but she's being this bad person because she knows it's going to get a reaction it's not a good reaction it's not a very well calculated one but I think that's a lot of what you get from these so-called social justice warriors on Twitter these hashtag activists what you're getting from a lot of people is they are in a giant reality show they're in a giant reality show and their method of communication is through Twitter or through Facebook posts or through YouTube videos or whatever the it is but there whe there when they're saying these things they're not just communicating they're communicating to try to get likes they want to get up votes they want to they want people to favorite their twe their tweets and they're it's calculated it's fake there's a lot of to it and I

52:12think you get a version of that in college campuses because to become like a really radical Advocate and a radical activists and really become a part of this or to even I'm gonna have a hunger strike go for it Johnny yeah hunger strike you know women are making 75 cents in the dollar I'm going to starve myself like yeah you know let's let's fight back against white people whatever you doing you know well when they see this is the thing when they say women are only making 75 cents on the dollar I just want to politely raise my hand and say that's not quite accurate it's accurate in the sense there is a wage Gap but it can be explained innocently women major in different Topics in college they work they work fewer hours per week and the men take the more dangerous jobs with with impossible hours it's simply a difference when you do all those adjustments the wage Gap Narrows to the

53:04point of Vanishing so they're they're enraged they're virtue signaling one another is that true that's true so I thought though in specific occupations that women would make less money than men let's look at the occupations for example you will see doctors and male doctors make considerably more but then you look at the at the uh spe subpal men tend to go far more men go into the higher paying Specialties like Cardiology uh anesthesiology the lower paying fields are Pediatrics and Family Medicine women are more likely to work part-time they are more likely to take a few years out of the workplace or cut back way back these are differences that have to be calculated and and have to be factored into this calculation and the gender activist for years have have just put out this statistic women are being cheated out of almost a quarter of their salary uh by you know this this system

54:05rigged against them when in fact if there are innocent explanations look at what men and women major in in college it's amazing after all these years of feminism you will not make very much money if you want to go into early childhood education you will have a rewarding job if you love that and you know many people do love it and do very well personally but you will not make money if you want to close I I lectured at oberin college and they were hissing and booing and carrying up they went crazy on you didn't they they went crazy yes they safe room and I triggered them and for you I know in the first two rows there were young women with duct tape on their mouths what duct tape red duct tape it was I I didn't know what to say they duct taped their mouth and they stayed there for the whole lecture I mean how could you row two rows it's kind of hot why did they do that I still don't

54:56know I guess that I I I could only think of there was a a novel uh but I don't know what it was I still don't know I didn't ask you didn't ask I never saw them I mean they were oh oh then people rushed out I triggered people and they went to the safe room I Tri triggered about 30 people and a dog there was a therapy dog and they went to this safer I feel bad about the dog I do but uh this was at Oberlin College and they were and what was interesting is they had their safe room but the College administration was looking at their Faceook Facebook postings and their Antics and got worried about my safety I had to have armed guards I had two armed police women escort me around I love it how you police women though yeah like how they went with police women why did they go to police women they had to be they had to be perfectly correct if you get more correct than

55:50oberin College I mean you will vaporize and I don't I don't know what is the next step I'm just I think and I speak now as a I grew up in California I was there for well was my sister's generation a little older that was a free speech movement in Berkeley but it was all about Liberation leave us alone we did not want authority figures or Deans or you know assistant Librarians on committees making rules we did not want it we rebelled and there was this period when I was in college where we were just free we had I don't think I ever met a Dean you know except it was something academic but certainly not in my personal life and we we drove out the dorm advisers there was no dorm advisor we were there well maybe they were there we never saw them they had no power and now they want them there and again it's this going back but anyway I just want to finish about oand I told the oberin

56:43students they were saying but women are being cheated out of their salary and I explained and I said right now today you can take a step to closing the wage Gap you know no don't major in you know feminist dance therapy major in electrical engineering and then feminist dance therapy is so necessary for our culture well they think it's an injustice you should be why can't I be a dance therapist and you know why shouldn't I be rewarded for that and we you know people aren't paid for what their jobs are worth well um that's probably true and I said I mean I ad I agreed with them that I don't feel I'm paid as a philosophy PhD we are not well paid compared to other you know people with phds computer science or electrical engineering or petroleum engineering there's where the money is and um I said I'm consider it unfair as a philosopher because we should be valued but you know

57:37you realize there is something called the market there are forces that determine what people will that's why socialism is so important for them Summers well in socialism the the feminist dance therapists would get their due they get paid as much as the electrical engineer how much would you get well how much do you think it's worth for feminist dance therapy is that a real thing did you make something up I might well I'm being fanciful but there are crazy majors and you know and and they waste their time and I I was once speaking at Bren Mah well I was actually at haford and the brinar girls came is it still a women's college and they first of all they were knitting the whole time I was talking they were knitting and I didn't know what that meant if it was a and they turned to be a number of wicens in the audience but but they they were on my side they weren't against me they seemed to

58:28yeah they weren't mad at me so I didn't want any hex any any spells can I don't think they're really witches wickens yeah I don't think they're witches I think they are I think Wiccan is like a it's almost like a pagan worshiping the Earth sort of a thing here well they defend witches they do yeah because I I I tweeted something about the Witch Hunt on the campus and a wick and came was angry about it here's uh wian is a member of the Pagan revivalist religion known as wiah can be a male or female practitioner or lay follower either solitary or members of a coven um no no word witch no warlocks I'm sure there's more followers of neopagan religion wiccans are a polytheistic nature worship worshippers they worship a moon goddess and a horn God they observe eight sabbaths blah blah blah they are based off seasonal changes in harvests which are also represent

59:32changes in their God and godess wicens are not evil and generally do not do bad magic so I guess it's saying that they implying they do do magic they follow rule of three to belief that whatever you do comes back to you three times as bad or good depending on what it was you did in some respects Wick whatever blah well they sound fine these young women were fine I guess but um one of them not one of them but a young woman in the audience said are you telling me I a gender Studies major at binm are you telling me I've wasted four years and I didn't know what to say but then I just said yes oh and it's like and the audience would of laughed but I'm just telling anyone who's even thinking of wasting four years studying gender Theory which has not which has no basis in reality or in in serious scholarship I'm sure there's some exceptions but those exceptions uh

60:27don't come close to the rule which is that it's it's a waste of time I would have told young lady that anything that you do where you're thinking is not a waste of time right but if you're trying to make a lot of money gender studies is not necessarily where it's at right well this is the thing if you ask men and women what do you want and and we have great data on this from vocational counselors you remember in junior high there were vocation counselors that would tell you what you should be based on your abilities and interests we've been giving these tests for years and men and women answered somewhat differently and and women care more about fulfillment they care about more about uh jobs where they can be women are very attracted to jobs that involve caring and nurturing and Men considerably less so you do find far more men in sort of people free zones or

61:19jobs where they oh they ask people would you rather spend you know a week taking apart a machine and putting it back together or would you rather spend a week sitting with a group of people talking about their problems and far more men say they'd want to be with the machine and far more women say talk about the problem so you have to factor those in now it just turns out that overall if you are working with say computers and you're you're an engineer you're at that high level with the education you get paid well people need those skills if you have the skills of a nurturer you do need the education of the background but a lot there are a lot of people that want to do them and there aren't there just isn't where is the money who's going to pay you that kind of money so they do not earn as much and they resent that but as you say you would tell the young woman you I would tell them you

62:12know you're not going to make as much but she probably would say but but it interests me I mean I I someone could have told me don't major in philosophy major in Metallurgy or petroleum engineering I wouldn't even want to see the textbook i l my philosophy books and if they told me you w't as much it didn't if it do matter to you then change your major if you if you're going into one of these fields well I think what you're saying it highlights a real problem that human beings have in choosing an occupation and choosing what path they want to go to in their life and I think often times people they they go the way they think is going to earn them the most money instead of going the way that's going to make them fulfilled and happy and you you you're you got to there's a lot of things that I could do that I should maybe have done when I was younger if I wanted to make money just

63:01make money and there's a lot of people in my age that are way more successful than me and make way more money than me I don't know if they're happier than me though and I think what I figured out how to do somewhere along the line through trial and error is do things I actually enjoy and somehow or another that's lost in a lot of people and people say oh you got lucky and you can do that and this and that it's not available to everybody I don't know that that's true I don't know that that's true and I don't know that this is the only thing that what I wound up doing is the only thing that I actually love I love a lot of things I love writing I love art I love there's a lot of things that I love that I probably could have been equally happy pursuing I don't necessarily think that when you look at life you should look at it in terms of what is the best way to make the most

63:42amount of money so when we're talking about things like the the wage Gap what about the happiness Gap because men are much more likely to commit suicide that's one thing men uh I think a lot of men suffer from depression as I'm sure a lot of women do as well but I don't necessarily think we should look at it in terms of what is what's going to earn you the most money and is that what you're preparing for in school but every time someone uses that wage Gap statistic that's how they're judging society and they're saying women are cheated no what you want to know is what they should ask is how much do you like your job how fulfilled you are and then look at the sex difference and see what what it turns out maybe there is a happiness Gap there certainly is a fatality gap which is that men are vastly more likely to die on the job because men occupy the gritty dangerous

64:32jobs you know working as loggers and roofers and you know on out outside in in uh you know on uh you know fishing and on fisheries and things the dirty gritty jobs are done by men it's like there's an invisible Army of men doing all of this work there's a big construction site near where I live in in Washington DC and they're building a big complex I have seen dozens of men out there every not a single woman every day for a year could be cold it could be really hot they get there early they stay it's just hard back backbreaking work you never hear about that about the you know the unpleasantness gap or the or the danger Gap and all that has to be factored in when it is what you find is that in the United States for the most part people are able to doing what they want well are there jobs though that are closed off to women that are very difficult for women to enter into I'm

65:32sure that there are the old boy Network the glass ceiling those are the the there are but here's the thing about that people say well uh there aren't as many female uh physicists if you look in the Sciences women are flourishing in fields like biology that we've all been taken over veterinary medicine these used to be male dominated but women once women once the gates open and we could sort of do what we wanted there weren't these arbitrary barriers women just moved in into areas that had been once just more or less restricted to males they did not do that with engineering they didn't do it with computer science and what I I need to know is well are the computer scientists and the engineers are they really sexist in the way that like lawyers men used to be all the lawyers lawyers aren't known to be particularly sensitive were they so much more receptive to women because women

66:24are approaching parity with men now in law school for sure and so you have to look at the where men and women are in our society and I as a free society and an educated Society I credit it to personal aspiration and I think in the road to happiness men and women take somewhat different paths College seems like such a Mad Dash too A Mad Dash to figure out your path it's four years and then graduate school the but the four years of trying to figure it out like figure out what your occupation's going to be where you're going to go and what you're going to do and then you look at all these supposed barriers and boundaries that are in front of you that are going to prevent you from doing what you want to do or getting the way of you being justly rewarded for what you're going to do that's that's why I get mad at some of my feminist colleagues for constantly telling young women oh tech

67:11tech is rigged against you no it's not the the guys in tech for the most part there are exceptions but for the most part are welcoming and many of them have you know want to have more women because they're it looks bad not to have them so they're doing what they can and and but we're telling young women oh you're not welcome in Tech well there was a time women weren't welcome in law or medicine or philosophy and things changed and and and I suspect by now that the reason you don't find a high percentage of women in Tech is because women just aren't as interested in Tech as they are in other things well and be careful what you wish for because I I have a friend who's executive at Google and she makes a ton of money but she works ungodly hours I mean it is essentially her life she is glued to her phone when she's not at work when she's at work she's there all

67:58day long 14 15 plus hours a day it's it's brutal it's backbreaking it becomes it's not it's not a career it's your life you're giving up you're what you have Afters I don't care if you make 5 million dollars a year whatever the you make what your life is non-existent I mean what are you going to do you're going to fill it up you going to buy a new Tesla you're going to feel great staring at your TV for the two hours that you're awake before you pass out and you have to go to work again you're you're never home I'm sure that for those who do it and get you know they're they're probably having a yeah a great ride here's what we do know and this has been shown over and over again by researchers including uh research at the at the Pew Research Center men and women um if you ask as as the Pew has done you ask mothers like what is your ideal life mothers of young children a large

68:46majority of well actually W I'll I'll first start with women because this was um a researcher at the London School of Economics she studied women in Western Europe what do women want she found out about 20% want to be full-time career like your friend at Google they are out there they want the money they want the power they want they want it all 20 20% about 20% want to be stay-at-home mothers they want to have a bunch of kids stay home be a house you know they and they will not work unless they're for 60% are she calls adaptiv they're sort of in the middle they want to work part-time when they have little kids they want to go in and out so I think that right now we have a women's movement that works very hard for that 20% for their life you know preferences and the majority of women are left out the majority of women don't want that what your friend has that's good but a

69:32lot of women won't will not want that and there are just about as many women that would want quite the opposite so what I want is a feminism that accommodates preference and a what do what do people want right if I found out that all these women wanted to work full-time and the men wanted to stay home with the kids fine but what you find is that that works for a few people but it's not something most people seem to want and it's regardless of gender really I mean don't we want that across the board I mean there's a wide variety of human beings on this planet yes for men too I yeah I call myself a feminist but I do it used to mean that you believed in equality of the Sexes right and um so I try to hang on to that its classical meaning but now it it's come to mean as I said female chauvinism you only care about women and I'm not that I do not want that kind of feminism one of

70:20the things that I I found that's hilarious it keeps getting repeated over and over again in feminist blog and websites is um they won't address men's issues until all women's issues are they believe that feminism addresses everything there's no needs for no need for men's rights advocacy because feminism addresses everything and once uh women are equal and treated equally and supported equally and you you won't have any problems with men oh that I don't understand the rational basis for that we can't do some good and and many many places at once of course you can well you can't even acknowledge that there's issues because until the women's issues which are overwhelming until they're addressed if you are if there a person out there that thinks that way that is a sign that you are fanatical well they certainly are but it's also a bit of trolling because it's

71:11uh you you're you're trolling for support from the people that read it and go yeah and you're also trolling for an overreaction from the men which will go see these men are and they hate women you know I I read this one woman's blog and she was uh she was she saved up all of her Mean Tweets that she got from all these Anonymous retards out there and uh she said uh the what do these men have in common these are all men who hate women no these are all men who tweeted you and you responded to them like they're trolling you they're saying mean you're a public figure you write a public blog you put your your public Twitter out there so every day you're going to if you have a net okay you throw that net in the ocean every day you're going to catch a certain amount of different species okay you're going to catch tuna you catch a Marlin or two and you're going to catch a few

72:02retards you're going to catch some really dumb people and those really dumb people are going to Tweet you and you're going to copy those down every day and accumulate them well how many really smart people read what you had to say disagreed agreed whatever and and didn't tweet you you know like what what you're what you're getting is is is a bias sampling yeah and by saving that bias sampling and putting up there it's not proof that you're being being somehow or another you're being oppressed it's proof that you're you're crazy and you're you're paying attention to these dummies you're you're tapping into a well of human beings if you have something that reaches a million people if you have a blog or a YouTube video and you read the comments on them you're reaching a phenomenal amount of human beings and you're always going to have a certain percentage of human beings who

72:49are unbalanced or they're up in the head in some way or they're really dumb and those people they're they're going to be more likely to comment you right so if you have a a million people that read a 1% is a lot of people that's a lot yeah you know if you have a hundred one person out of a hundred is going to be dumb you have a thousand you get to a 100,000 you get to a million that's a giant number of people that you're probably catching in your net that are really stupid and that's it's a part of this life we live it's a part of this new era of social media this new era of this open access to everyone and everything and I think it's beautiful in a lot of ways I think it's exposing all the holes and flaws in our culture it's exposing how there's there's marginalized and unrepresented people that are just sort of they feel disenfranchised they feel left out and

73:42they feel like the only way they can get attention is to scream or yell or to say misogynous things or hateful things and they're just trying to get attention at the end of the day that's a lot of what they're trying to do they're trying well and but I'll also say the things that write about because I do think uh I am just speaking common sense about gender that I have a lot of uh followers on Twitter and people that I encounter who were from the factual feminist who were just happy they were able to find someone and it it's sort of absurd that you could can't find a professor I mean I left the university to go to a think tank I could still be there teaching but it was lonely uh I didn't really have that many colleagues who were agree with me and I had some that were very annoyed with me so it wasn't a comfortable place so there's for a dissident feminist or

74:30just I think as I said the voice of moderation they will not hear that if they're on campus and now you don't hear it in the media so social media is a place where you can tell the truth and people can be exposed to ideas that have been edited out of the curriculum well you're an author and you've written books and you've written papers and people have read those but they're not going to have the near the immediacy that something like a YouTube video has so what's what's fantastic anything like these videos have had over 4 million views I think if you add them all up and some more than others but uh we have a good one coming out tonight on the myth of male power I think you might like it so men are in power well this whole thing men are supposed to uh well it's not it's not the myth of male power it's about male privilege they tell men Check Your Privilege so I look at Men's how

75:19privileged are men on our soci now in some ways they are just to be a man does afford you certain benefits but is being a woman like big time we're better educated we live longer we're women are better educated how so oh majority of degrees go to women women now earn 57% of Bachelors approaching 60% of Masters and um um 52% of phds wow it was used to be the reverse that you had more men getting the degrees and women were the Have Nots when was the shift well it started to shift actually in the 80s but in the in the '90s you know it's just was an upward trajectory for women and here's where it really counts among workingclass kids the girls are better educated than the boys or if you look at different ethnic groups African-Americans Latinos workingclass white kids um their sister the bo the girls are doing better the boys are in big trouble educationally

76:16and it's creeping into the middle class the the girls are way ahead they're winning the prizes there's a a gap in education and boys are on the wrong side do you attribute that to the women's rights movement and the the the gains that were made in Awareness like during the 70s and the ' 80s I attributed to a number of things first of all girls have always liked School better and teachers have liked liked girls girls have better behaved on average so it it was always a trick to interest a boy keep his attention um but teachers used to make a big effort they don't anymore if they go to a school of education they may be reading these fashionable texts about how women are the silenced privileged and so they think that they have to you know uh focus on the girls and the boys that the typical behavior of little boys has been redefined as pathology right yeah so you'll find little boys being

77:08you know suspended for playing cops and robbers or wanting to play a a a rockus game in the playground dodgeball or tag now girls like to play too uh outdoors and have recess but typically they will do a little bit of that they will also do that a lot of theatrical imaginative games playing House playing School sharing confidences with your best friend you know girls do that boys hardly ever do that they want to go out there in this rough housing or it's called Rough and Tumble play schools are making rules against it they don't understand that it's very different from aggression when boys are being mean and aggress violent let's say uh there's there are tears there's anger there's you know it's it's not a happy sight when when boys are rough and tumbling there's joy they're forging bonds they're learning limits it's a critical part of their socialization and we are a

78:03society that has lost touch with that and we are defining it as pathology and it happens as early as preschool and parents should know that when your little boy gets to you know the kindergarten class it is geared towards the girls what do you think is the cause of this lack of understanding between the difference between the way boys play and girls play because I have all daughters but I have a buddy that has all sons and when I'm around his house and I see his kids this house is chaos it's ch everything's broken yeah and and he's not an aggressive guy at all he's a he's a professor actually at Stanford and he's like super mellow and like he's he doesn't he barely exercises he rides his bike he's not aggressive he doesn't watch any sports and these kids are maniacs they run around they throw jumping Sidekicks against the couch and they're just crazy

78:55crazy that's how they my my little girls come over his house and they're like Jesus Christ like what is going on with these Apes well I have two sons and for years anybody would come the main thing they want to do is get a football and go outside and throw it around they want I just don't recall wanting to do that at someone's house I mean we might do that but we'd probably go into her room and you know be talking and listening to music or something but these and the other thing I learned too about boys with video games my parents were very disapproving teachers don't like them but I always remember remember i' would go and see my son downstairs and playing these games and uh I was writing my book the war against boys and people were worried about the games and but I looked at the boys and I didn't see and some of the games were wild and violent and I didn't like what I saw but they were

79:43cheering each other on they were teasing each other the way boys do I mean men show their Love by insults and razing you know it was it was camaraderie it was it was just bonding it was a happy you know group engagement and it it would have been terrible to say you stop playing these games and this is bad it wasn't bad behavior but people don't understand that they hear boys putting each other down and you have to listen because when men put each other down including men and it's often the way they show friendship you're telling me I'm a comedian that's all we ever do it's all you do if I ever based my own self-esteem on how my friends have talked to me right I'd be you no my two sons all they do they get together and it's immediately but it does it does make men funny because they learn it starting in you know first grade because of there's this the way boys are with each other

80:35but we have psychologists who say oh no it's a culture of Cruelty right and they think it's bullying you've got to know the difference between affectionate you know kind of joshing and teasing and violent bullying it's something we we again we're not making good distinctions yeah and I think there's also there's something to be gained from that type of insulting Behavior with boys and even teasing each other back and forth as long as it's good-natured because even though it does kind of Sting when someone mocks you and makes fun of you it also motivates you to do better at whatever they were mocking you at yeah and it strengthens you and men are a little more stoical and I I I I read this great study by these psychologists they they we always hear well men have to talk more about their feelings men have to be and they interviewed um hundreds of kids adolescents and they

81:26asked the boys and the girls how does it feel to talk about your problems and for most of the girls it made them feel better just talking about the problems the boys said didn't make them feel better and they and they said and it was weird and and they and and I thought oh the psychologists are going to say the boys have to learn to do it but they didn't what they said was H maybe it's adaptive for young men you know and and because they don't ruminate so much and there is a of depression in adolescent girls they may be too interiorized they they're ruminating they're going over and over and these psychologists said that they they thought it was probably maybe the girls should see what look what the boys are doing that you know it's not necessary the boys have to be like the girls and then they said something very interesting if a boy does have a problem

82:13he's got to talk about it don't say oh well let's sit down and talk sweet you know tell me your feelings he is going to re you know bolt you have to say you have to engage his problem solver you know and you have to say we got to do this we got to conquer it and turn it into a a challenge and then when I read that I thought my God there's probably a whole field of male psychology that's been ignored it's almost as if modern psychology and clinical counseling has been based on women and their needs and what works for them but what about what what works for guys fortunately the Australians are actually working on this Australians yeah they're working on male psychology and male you know counseling well school is a very strange place for everybody right I mean that you're you're forced to sit in a class and listen to uh a course and the teacher teaching you the facts and statistics

83:04and it might not be anything you're even remotely interested in and when you're seven years old or eight years old you're a little kid and you you want to play You're filled with energy you want to bounce off the wall it's strange to have to sit in some class and listen to someone talk to you about arithmetic or listen to you talk talk about listen to someone talk to you about grammar reading it's hard hard it's hard for kids to sit and pay attention and it's hard I think when if you are a boy and you have all this extra energy and you're told there's something wrong with you because of it like I had my my old next door neighbor they moved out but they had their kid on riddlin and uh I was around this kid all the time he wasn't he wasn't up he just had a lot of energy and he was kind of being ignored by both parents worked all the time and you know he was bouncing off

83:51the walls and he was just not paying attention in school and acting out and wasn't wasn't very disciplined like a lot of young boys are so they just medicated this kid oh this breaks my heart and and and it's so sad because a good teacher who was in TB with boys will find a way to capture his imagination but but right now for example most of the reading assignments are fiction and is one this wonderful guy who goes around teaching uh how to engage boys he said it's almost as if teachers only like kind of the confessional po you ask a 12-year-old boy to be a confessional poet he's oh he's not going to do it and he'll act out and he'll you know won't do the assignment but let him write what he wants and there was a what happens though is little boys five or six years old they'll be asked to write something and they want to write about something like you know I don't know a

84:44monster destroying a city or about their skateboard or their video games and the teachers don't like it they get mad they get mad and fortunately there are some that are beginning to notice because now people are getting worried about what's happening to boy education because it has all sorts of ramifications for the economy and you have to worry about having a large cohort of boys disengaged from education because they're not going to have a future in an information economy we've got to solve the problem so there are teachers thinking about it but one thing they noticed is you take a little boy and girls that are playing and play is the basis for learning I mean that's how we learn as as animals we learn from play but boys are disapproved of so they want to play superhero which every not every but most four five-year-old boys that's what they want and Vanquish the bad guys and there

85:33are there's a lot of you know sound effects and what seems to be violence it's actually something very different going on in his imagination but we are we we're policing the imagination of little boys and calling them pathological and I just never forgot the story I read about a little boy named Justin in California and he he was well behaved he loved swordfights and and Pirates the teacher called his parents she was very worried about Justin he'd written a story and Illustrated it with a scene with pirates having a a sword fight and there were there was chopped heads and all sorts of things Wild and the parents came in and said yeah what did he do they were shocked because he was never in trouble she said well look at this drawing as if Justin was a Proto sociopath and his father said yeah well he likes Pirates you know makes me read him Stories the teacher was very worried

86:25about his values well the father said I'm very worried about my son's fate in a classroom with a teacher that has no sympathy for his imagination what that father said about Justin that's that is pretty much describes the predicament of a majority of of boys in our schools right now the teachers don't have sympathy they haven't been taught now most teachers are just they'll adjust and they like boys they'll do their best but that is despite what they learned in a school of education does this coincide with larger classrooms because if you have 40 kids in a class and one of them is a rambunctious boy you want to silence that kid because he's disrupting you educating the the other 39 kids some of it it it's everywhere it's in it's in schools the majority of teachers it's a feminine profession and the classrooms have been feminized the readings the um I mean you there are books that are

87:17irresistible to a typical little boy but we don't assign them the British got so worried about the reading Gap because girls are way ahead in Reading they now have a list of books that teachers are aware of that of books that a kid can't a little boy can't resist we don't have that we would immediately have dozens of feminist groups there would be hearings on Capitol Hill what are the books or what are the subjects well this is just a few that I remember one is that uh boys like books boys a lot of little boys like non-fiction and if you give them the Guinness Book of Records he could be lost for days they like things like that lists of you know Arcane information give him give him a choice and and yeah sometimes stories about a monster devouring a city there are lots of books there there's actually a website called guys can read and they have books The

88:09Best of Books for little boys with girls you really don't you know they there there are so many books written for them they're going to find them their teachers are going to assign them you can't assume that with your son I sympathize for teachers though in a lot of ways because if they are especially a lot of teachers don't don't have children um and if they they don't have children of their own and they're teaching a group of boys and there's 40 kids there and one of them is uh a really rambunctious boy who's a little maniac and he's running around being crazy I I could see how you would want this little kid to calm down and be silence you would have time I totally agree with you but what if it turns out that there are just ways to do this I that what if you had a lot of assignments where the kids have to stand up what if you instead of in desks they have to be sitting up

88:54boys if you use humor boys will love you boys like jokes teachers have to try to be funny even if they're not that funny there I read about this one male teacher he'd give back papers and you make them into paper airplanes I mean there are just things that are amusing to kids my favorite example was a school in uh West West Virginia the boys in that school were not reading they were the low of West Virginia is the low some of the lowest scores in this school was bad it's wonderful was a female teacher she started an all boys class and she uh had something called Battle of the books they had to read these books and then have a some kind of a I think it was like a Jeopardy battle or some kind of game the boys loved it and they they wanted extra books to read over summer and she said it was the first time in the history of West Virginia the boys asked for extra reading over the summer

89:48and they came back and the like the sixth grade boy class did better than the eighth grade co-ed class so this was working well the ACLU went in there because there were uh gender activist in the ACLU that said separating by gender is a kind of apartheid gender apartheid and they Su callar they call it gender apartheid or gender they compare it to discriminate it's crazy and they stopped this class there is no boys class with Battle of the books oh God so that's where we are there was a young boy that was recently uh suspended it was a uh big National story because he uh had a fake bow and arrow he was using an imaginary bow and arrow and shooting at boys in his class and so they suspended him I think he was he was very young he's very young than that but but even I've seen I've heard stories about six-year-olds that's how they're playing and then when they play

90:42they want to write stories so that's where you get kids like Justin he'll want to write about it future have a bunch of little boys the moment they set pen to paper there's disapproval that's prob the worst thing that we could be doing and that's what's happening when I was in high school I wanted to be a comic book illustrator even before high school and if any psychologist got a hold of any of my illustrations it was all like axe murderers like uh werewolves dragons it was all crazy like but I that's what I enjoyed I enjoyed reading those kind of comic books and I I enjoyed drawing those things like and uh I didn't turn out to be a serial killer they don't vast majority don't and it's but we treating them that way that's the argument about Gamers right I mean isn't that the argument about Gamers that was a big part of the whole gamergate um the the the response that Gamers had I was

91:36like no look just because we'd like engaging in this fantasy and just because we like we enjoy playing Grand Theft Auto doesn't mean we're going to go out and shoot people this is stupid it's it's fun to fake shoot people it's fun to play Call of Duty and have your friends on the other side you're shooting your friends you don't want to shoot your friends but guess what when you shoot your friends in the game nothing happens to them okay their family doesn't cry you know that there's no you know their children don't grow up without a father no they regenerate and they're back in the next round I mean this is it's this idea that when you play a game or when you engage in any sort of a fantasy activity that that automatically equates to how you're going to behave in society and that we have to stop that we have to limit that instead of just addressing like what is

92:23it about these fantasies that excite is exciting for people is there some sort of inherent need that men have for adventure for uh certain amount of vicarious violence you know even if it's just cathartic some sort of a fake release absolutely and there's not there is no good evidence that playing a violent video game makes you violent people but God knows people have tried to prove it and they have failed and they even tried to prove to the Supreme Court a few years ago and and Justice Scalia just said he wrote a beautiful you know opinion about how they just did not make their case and it's it's no one has been able to do it now they've come along and say oh well these games cause sexism well the first thing to know is since kids started playing video games it great numbers in the 90s video game Nation crime has actually gone down I'm not saying there's a correlation but

93:17there's certainly no correlation between playing games and viols or you would expect that it would have gone up games are addictive they spend all their time playing those games and they don't have time for violence that's what's going on possibly and and it's the millennial generation they're the less least sexist and homophobic and all that than other Generations so these games yeah they have more oh yeah sure so the newest kids coming up are the the most open-minded most Progressive abely you question their attitudes compared to kids from the 80s or whatever yeah or certainly Baby Boomers you'd find they're more open-minded isn't that amazing well that speaks to to my optimism because my optimism is that what we're getting out of the internet what we're getting out of this uh open Forum this ability to communicate with each other is even though there's like

94:02this the the sort of ganging up mentality on someone when they say something wrong the attacking But ultimately I think people are communicating in uh a Freer way and we're getting to understand what is offensive about racism what is offensive about homophobia or or sexism or or any of these things that were sort of uh cultural norms or they they had a place in your particular neighborhood or community and now your community is sort of the world and in doing so in in expanding our community like that and creating this one world Community I think we're we're learning the differences that we have between each other are more imagined than they are real yeah and I so I think that anyway about with the with the games uh they had just made all these false assumptions and I think people people try it they do for we hear oh the the people are being destroyed by the

95:00internet or people are being some people are some are but actually anything you do they're going to be some that are destroyed I mean playing cards there's some people people have addictive personalities and I once met a psychiatrist who told me he was studying uh people and their addictions he said almost anything people do about five you know if it's gambling or if it's bicycling or dog racing or about 5% will become uh compulsive well you know I work with a lot of uh Fighters and martial artists because I'm a commentator for the UFC and in the com in in working with these people you find correlations between people that are they become very excellent at at fighting or something like extremely extremely dangerous and they become more subject or more suspect it's it's they have more potential for addiction I think in a lot of ways outside of that like it's famous

95:51amongst Fighters like Joe Lewis went on to become a cocaine addict and he had a lot of issues before he died Sunny Liston got involved in heroin they become addictive behavior is extremely common with Fighters alcoholism is extremely common and um same with ballet dancers really well I certainly for a while they a lot of there's high levels of anorexia kind of obsession about food but also of uh cocaine use and so maybe that per a combination of obsessive perfectionism yes well I think the obsessive focusing on something even focusing on a negative thing like gambling it becomes a part of how they transition out of this world because the world of mixed martial arts or fighting in general is very it's very intense but very there's a short amount of time where you could do it and compete at a high level it's a percentage of your life and you if you get really lucky you

96:46can get 10 hard years in you know if you're an outlier you can stretch that out but a lot of people that compete like in the UF see they're gone within a couple years and you find that in a lot of sports the NFL as well like a couple years for most of them and their body just can't hang on anymore and they're gone and they had this one thing that occupied all their thoughts all the time now it's gone and they have to figure out a way to sort of transfer that energy in a positive manner and what makes you really good at things can also be a trap I I had a problem when I was young uh with video games and it's not the video games are bad but I have a very addicted personality and I used to play video games 8 to 10 hours a day I used to play online I used to play a game called Quake this Quake game online and I recognized I go okay there's this is I just can't do this like my brain

97:38and this this a fun game I love it but my brain is just not good for this because my brain had developed doing martial arts and comp and competing and I went from that to standup comedy and then this this other thing this video gamees thing got implanted in my brain and I recognize like okay this is not going to be productive for me it's enjoyable but I'm too crazy for this so I got to put it aside but for a lot of uh a lot of people that get involved in like these singular Pursuits where they become so dedicated and so focused on one thing it's extremely hard when that thing is taken away from them and sometimes they fall into negative things but that doesn't mean that the video games are negative it doesn't mean that video games are causing them to L their life what they need is sort of mental management and we need to recognize that there are certain people especially

98:29people that are that excel at certain things or people that become obsessed with perfection or obsessed with success that those things you can get diverted down these paths whether it's gambling or there's a lot of different I like that phrase mental management that that's right that's what they that should be more available yeah so it's not video games and it's not video video games don't turn you into sexist video games don't turn you violent it's it's nonsense I mean if this is arguably we have the most access to Violent information whether it's in in a media form online you know more more access to it than any human beings that have ever lived before we have more access to instantaneous violence seeing things online seeing thing being able to play video violent games but it's arguably the safest time to live ever and some of the most violent games I hear are in

99:18Japan and they're not very violent they play the most violent games I think they have some of the most violent video games they have a lot of uh a very permissive internet presentation of pornography and and wild things and violence they're at tentacles and stuff right I don't know anime no don't know I don't know what's going on but strange I'll check it out sometime yeah it's uh it's a weird culture Japan they also have um they have weird things that you could do like you can buy women's panties that women have worn you can buy them from vending machines certain places vending machines yeah ooh buying them at all is strange on vending machines is uh deranged it is whatever but is it I mean if I don't know I mean what is so horrible about that it seems like you know if you wanted to buy like severed feet yeah that'd be kind of up that be wor but like if a girl wants to wear p i I

100:13have a girl who's coming on soon who's a uh she's a professional humiliator she is hired by these um like uh CEOs and these people that have tremendous power and they want to be dominated they want to be Tak and she she has all these things that she does with them like she makes them give her their bank account information so she can she can she can steal money from them careful well I'm not saying anything horrible I'll Shield you from any unpleasant thoughts but it's some people like have these bizarre needs for like things that you or I would have no desire for but at the end of the day it's an agreement that these two have she does it professionally there's no confusion here it's like this is all I don't see what's bad about it I'm I'm trying to explore it have you heard about furries yes uh I don't know about it much but a nice furry told me on the

101:10internet that not to worry that most of them don't and I I don't know that every time I bring it up people are won't really tell me what it is and I don't fully want to know but from what I've learned there are many different kinds so believe some deep with it and some people it's just fun it's just fun yeah I was accidentally at a Furry Convention there was a time where I was in Pittsburgh and it coincided with a Furry Convention and while we were driving down the street we're looking out the window we're going what the is going on here so it's everyone wearing mascot costumes like they were all like big squirrels and rabbits and stuff and I like this is so strange and then when we got to the hotel the hotel one of the guys that worked there he uh he opened opened up to me as we uh as we stayed there and he started telling me the weirder aspects of Fes like that they

101:59requested a litter box I'm not going to Shield you nothing crazy the sexual stuff I'll Shield you from okay all right um they had requested a litter box for the lobby like they literally wanted to go to the bathroom in the lobby in a in a large litter box they were going to set it up and uh maybe I'd rather hear about the sex part well they own they not not owned but rather they rented out the entire Hotel except for a couple rooms and I was one of those rooms that they hadn't gotten because I I had made my reservation in advance and so I I'd done it like a few months out and the FES hadn't taken over the hotel yet that is so funny to imagine you had a Furry Convention it hilarious they're friendly they're all nice you know they high-f five me and stuff you know you don't know who you're high sure it's they could they could be making the meanest evil face in the world behind that big

102:49Smiley chipmunk mask but it was very strange requested bowls they wanted to eat out of bowls on the ground like a dog so they wanted their food to be served on the ground Human Being Human mind is H so complicated and yes it is you just don't know let's get back to your point of uh Focus um gender studies yeah um how did gender studies become like primarily like something that women focus on like CU gender studies is not really gender studies like gender studies is like when when you you talk to someone they say they're involved in gender studies it's either a guy who's some weirdo feminist dude or it's women right well it probably there's a healthy instinct to avoid a major that entails your you know just shaming you know feeling ashamed all the time but is that what it is why is it have to be that well also men don't major in the they don't major anywhere

103:47near the same numbers in these somewhat peripheral things men are more practical they come to college they they overwhelmingly are the engineering Majors the econ Majors the Practical Majors well but there's liberal arts Majors it's mostly women it's majority well philosophy is a little different uh but in the most of the humanities it's more men I mean I'm sorry more women French literature and I've often thought it's partly um sometimes people have said to me well you're suggesting that women are more interested in the humanities and men are more interested in the Sciences but in in Mexico or India you know they have just as many they give me some example of places where women have the same Majors they're typically societies that where people are um very at risk economically societies that are not as prosperous if you get to a prosperous you know Advanced democracy where you can there

104:46it can afford you the opportunity for sort of high levels of self-realization you then people do what they what they most want to do and so women get to College they don't have to be an engineering major they can be major in art history or feminist dance therapy if that exists or you know whatever they want and women I think that women feel a little Freer I think there are a lot of men that would prefer to do something other than what they're doing but they're a little more practical I think most men think they they are going to work a full-time job they don't have options I think a lot of women suspect that they might not have to so so that's why they're getting involved in gender studies because they don't think they're actually going to have to make a living I don't know what would what big generalization to say to look at it all if it is one person yeah I'm sure there

105:36are many different reasons actually now you you can make a a little career for yourself by working you know there's a little network of women's organization I mean quite a large Network so they'll find a place there they do conferences and stuff like that all that but you you know you can't expect to make much money right and if you care about that but maybe you be fulfilled if you care about carrying on this campaign this Twisted um propaganda written campaign against patriarchy um so and by the way I should add that it's too bad gender studies is that way because gender is interesting and we should study it but it should be done from by objective people who will can from different with different agendas we all have agendas but you want to have a field where you can kind of cancel out one another's agendas and get closer to True understanding yeah that

106:25was why I wanted to ask you about it because it is I mean the whole idea of men and women trying to figure each other out has always been problematic because we're doing it under the guise of trying to mate we're trying to mate with each other so we're trying to figure each other out while we're both bullshitting each other you know it's like both people are wearing a mask and you're trying to figure out what they look like underneath that mask and that's that's how a lot of people get to the point where they're married and even you know they get divorced well I'm never falling for that again and then they fall into another nice little trap and I think that it would be really fascinating to have an honest class on what is the difference between men and women and what are the biological reasons for certain reactions honest and helpful yes to know what to expect like

107:11when you you get married you know your husband's probably not going to be like your your college roommate they you know when you have children chances are for most women it's not all that majority this is uh the you know the most over you fall madly in love and you become obsessed and it really hurts you to go away for very long you know 40 hours a week and a man a lot of men can go away I mean they can go away forever men do abandon children or they're less fixated on them than women this is just a fact of our nature there are exceptions I'm just talking about overall you don't find women abandoning children unless there usually unless there's um mental illness or a drug a drug something but men do it all the time I think fatherhood you know it has to be supported and encouraged and it's better we're better all around but it can't be taken for granted and the worst thing we

108:04can do is to set people up just to be to be angry at each other because you're going to be married to a man who's not going to see the world exactly as you do who's not going to care as much about your I don't know your your your window uh treatments or whatever it's not going to care as much and especially after you have babies a lot of you can a lot of girls are slobs but when you have babies there's something that changes and you really you want the house clean and you want you Feathering the nest in your nest you're yeah and men don't seem to have quite the same experience so people need to learn about it and learn how to argue don't like people there's so much insulting like a lot of women I see this happening they become their their husband's mother they become nags yeah which is a recipe for either misery or divorce right because he doesn't want to

108:57be married to a nagging mother and women should know that it's going to be frustrating because he will not be as much help as you want uh but you're frustrating to him because he probably has to do a lot of things he doesn't want to do so it's a big compromise and young people should know this well the biological implications the the biological reality of being an animal is that most animals are raised by their mothers I mean we would all do much better if the father was a loving father and was around and it's a great thing to concentrate on but human beings and a lot of ways mirror the activities that we see in other mammals and in other mammals the women primarily or the females primarily take care of the babies I think that if we looked at gender studies from a biological standpoint and then looked at them from a sociological standpoint as well and tried to figure out like what's the

109:49comfortable middle ground and how can we better understand each other from the biological perspective and from the social perspective it be really interesting it becomes a Battleground for ideology more than anything else indoctrination or worse it's indoctrination as you say and and it's not what another thing we need to know is what's easy to change and what isn't for example males are we've got very good evidence they're greater risk-takers and Rule Breakers and you see this even evidence from the earliest ages little male toddlers have more access there more in the emergency rooms more they're doing crazier things it's more of a challenge so you need to know that and then what do you do with it and I I see the need to channel that you take that male risk-taking which is very valuable for our species that risk-taking and that rule and you direct it to good ends and a father is helpful

110:44or a male role model or a coach athlete you know they're all things sorts of things we do to socialize male energy and a society where the males are socialized to most of them to do good you'll build you know you'll build the you know the United States of America I mean you that's a healthy Society but if you have a society like we have these dysfunctional pathological societies you get destruction in mayam because there is a pathological masculinity most men aren't like that but it exists uh so you need healthy masculinity you need to nurture that so we need to understand it not resent it not pathologize it not criminalize it and yet we're doing this toxic masculinity is one of my favorite internet Expressions oh yeah but there's toxic femininity too there is but it's not as funny no toxic masculinity especially when men are using it when men use that term like oh

111:38Christ masculinity good Lord so silly how dare you it would have been interesting to study gender from objectively and get you know and it should be based in The Sciences you should have input from is it Universal that gender is taught in school that gender studies are feminist based ideologies I there could be exceptions I haven't seen them even you know even in Norway and Sweden and you go to the Departments and they're full of people that you know with degrees in sociology and but who are very soft and who are strongly IDE ideological well how do they get away with saying things like gender is a social construct because there's so much evidence the contrary the question is how do you get away with questioning it and and have a career in the academy me right that's the problem right I questioned it and um I had I had a colleague when I was I told you

112:30earlier about reading these feminist textbooks and being horrified I remember one of them first of all the author dedicated it to the women in my women's studies ular in the spring of whatever year it was 91 and I hadn't seen the word ular and I always like to look up new words and I hes I was about to look it up until it hit me there I would not find it she made it up she didn't like the word seminar with its root word associated with the very essence yeah don't ask yes yes don't think it through because don't think it through annoying but she wasn't you know the thing is she called it ular instead of sear oh good lord now the thing is how about group just forget gender neutral why does it have to be there was another woman who said she had a theory that we were all born bisexual and then through socialization our you know our parents and Society turn half of us into female

113:24human beings and half into male human beings and then she said one destined to command and the other to obey you know I remember reading that to my husband sounds like a fun date and he said like which one commands and which one obeys and but and no but I I'm just saying they have these these views that are that would not survive in any kind of functional academic environment where people could freely ex it's not that they can't voice them uh in because sometimes people that are have Kookie views sometimes you know people test it and they can't find fault and it you know it ends up they end up being right so you you you have to be polyamorous relationships things along those lines that actually do work for some people for some you have to be open to that you have to resist um closed-mindedness and that in the ideal University that's where you have some people you bring in people

114:17that challenge and you're constantly either reinforcing what we already know or challenging it or bringing in new ideas it's it's an exciting thing what we've done to our universities is so sad now it's still that what I just described that's going on in computer technology it's going on in the Sciences it's been shut down in the humanities and to some degree in the social sciences and in education is it possible that as we you said the Millennials today are the most open-minded least likely to be racist or Prejudice that the there's a good Trend going on is it possible that this same Trend could eventually extend to the universities where these kids will realize how Preposterous some of this behavior is and they'll reject some of this teaching and they'll they'll understand that like yes there is a certain amount of prejudice that some people have but

115:06let's get to the root of it and find out why they have these misconceptions why do they have these ideas in their head that are ultimately biased and wrong or or degrading or whatever it is but is it possible that through conversations like this through things like your YouTube video through more people discussing these ideas in an open form and more people mocking things like what happened at Yale or what happened at you name the college there's probably something going on right now where someone's screaming at someone because they want to go to a lecture that's you know being taught by a man who said something offensive about women's roles or wore the wrong shirt or something yeah oh like that scientist that wore that so silly yeah yes uh the problem is that these uh these bad ideas have tenure the the these ten they have tenure they are there I mean the the so

115:57it's it's going to be hard I think what's going to happen is the universities are maybe going to become obsolete I think a lot of education is going to move to web-based education and cyber where will people get laid I know I think it's sad if we lose our our colleges but the colleges I'm telling you they will vaporize Yale is at risk right now Amherst College some of our best universities they are in there it is so der it's so crazy what's going on there and they've they have it's as if they've weaponized the sensitivities of the most neurotic students on campus and these kids are now you know riding rough shot over everyone else that can't go on so they will become so dysfunctional well they need to film it like when they film it we need films we need films when they filmed that one kid who by the way was an Asian-American uh who was trying to take photographs of

116:54the African-American guy who was on the hunger strike and they were accusing him of being a part of the patriarchy and he was a student he was a student and then that professor she was a professor of communications she had some muscle over here oh that was nice she had requested the media come and cover this just the day before the day before she had question the she requested she made a tweet talking about this hunger strike you know this is really important cause can the media come and cover this so the media come in the form of student media comes this kid and this lady's like you have to leave you have to leave they had decided that a public place was now private because this guy had created a safe space and they were going to do a hunger strike there like what in the what are they protesting but the video but the video got out and the video got out the whole world responded

117:43she had to resign the whole world realized how Preposterous this behavior is and but when we get a chance to see it we meeting people on the outside get a chance to see that video and comment on it in in in you know from our own perspective not from the perspective of someone engrossed in that sort of ideological trap then you get to realize like that these kids get to see how crazy we all think it is I think that there's a benefit in that there's a benefit in that and but there's also a benefit in in uh kids on campus to join out you know who are sensible and who believe who who do not want to be the generation where Freedom came to die because believe me Millennials out there you are that generation now every gener ation has had big challenges to Liberty everybody finds new ways to challenge Liberty you're tested and you have to meet the test and we had we've been

118:29through you know the McCarthy era and you know all sorts of things that were in in the Vietnam era and it had to be worked out this is your challenge and I say start the resistance and there's a wonderful group called the foundation for individual rights and education fire what I like about it it's bipartisan it's it's liberals and conservatives love freedom because I think that's what unites most Americans is that we can have our political differences but we have this common commitment to freedom and to try to increase it and and preserve it now this group fire has replaced the ACLU for civil liberties the ACLU is asleep at the wheel you never hear from them about these campus you know this zealotry I think they don't know how to approach it because the the very people that are involved in that zealotry will also support the ACLU every step of the way because I think

119:23it's pretty universally acknowledged the ACL does great work they they're very important I I my mother was a member and I don't know if I've ever been a member but I love naen straon she used to be the president and we you know that it was it's great but it it it has been silent relatively silent they're scared the ACLU can't be scared they must be scared they can't be scared but they were scared I think they're intimidated in the same here's scared isn't it well it's a little more complicated because I think they also may be I I don't know I'm not a psychologist but I will tell you that there are groups like Libertarians I noticed atheists uh you know ACLU lawyers where they have a small cohort of very angry women and these are thoughtful the majority of people are thoughtful well-meaning and they listen to these angry wom they think maybe we should be

120:12respectful maybe they're maybe they really are and they don't realize that they that it's a small group of bitter people who believe Twisted theories and false statistics and they're imposing that on the whole but these these groups of women have been very divisive for Libertarians they did it to the atheists I think they did it to the ACLU the mighty ACLU fell before a small group of of zealots and they're more likely to be suing a school for having a boys class to help boys read than they are to be going on the campus and calling out hordes of you know vigilan groups there was one Professor that I follow who is a uh he's kind of a radical almost communist very socialistic but uh he was saying that the only mistake that the woman made was that she did it before she got tenure ah and I was like that is hilarious he's like you know what here she will get tenure this is

121:07this will not hurt her this will help her she's a celebrity yeah she'll get a better I I I have SE I mean I don't know but I didn't she resign oh no she was you're talking about the one with muscle no I think that she was asked she had a she has an appointment in the communications but I think she was teaching by invitation for the school of Journalism and University of Missouri has a story wonderful you know journalism school and I think they were horrified to have on a public university to have a a professor throwing out the police so she was disinvited from being part of that program but no no she'll be at the ne she'll be at uh at at at Wesleyan that's very cynical it's not cynical it's the factual feminist I that's horrifying though that someone with that kind of thinking that telling some person that a public do you remember the Duke lacrosse case how

122:01about the University of Virginia case that was in Rolling Stone magazine that but even before the Duke lacrosse these young men falsely accus a flagrant lie well 88 professors long before anything was known about it they came out with in a an advertisement I don't know if who was in the school paper or a local paper uh siding with the accuser against the boys and some of them in the were very viciously outspoken and and and they basically were part of a of a vigilante group that you know that conducted a the equivalent of a a Witch Hunt and they there were no consequences they've gone on to better jobs some of them wow really that's horrific that's absolutely horrific that was uh one of the things that made me hate Nancy Grace Nancy Grace was terrible I don't say hater cuz I don't know her I I hate what she represents on television maybe she's one of those people that's just like reality

122:54TV acting out and she's nice those Duke lacrosse boys yeah she was horrible on that and it turns out that she was absolutely wrong and never apologized and those those kids didn't well I don't know what they did really I'm just and that night they did nothing apparently I mean one no and one of them wasn't wasn't even there I mean he had proof that he was not there and it wasn't enough well it's again it's the Lynch Mob mentality and trying to keep them away from you you know and trying to turn them away from you so you have to say something that's going to exonerate you from from being Guilty By Association or Guilty By the way you know you you you you view the case you know that you you're not a part of the problem you're a part of the potential solution and but I I think liberal students and conservative students could unite on campus in just in favor of of

123:47free expression are they the most malign students on campus cons oh yeah conser here's the good thing for conservative students and libertarian students when you get to campus um you're going to have your ideas challenged morning noon and night and uh that's probably good you're going to become very conversent in the ideas of the other side which my one of my favorite philosophers John Stewart Mill said you can't understand your own position unless you understand your critics you have to understand your critics almost as well as you understand yourself to truly be able to defend a position so conservatives have that advantage and and they're professors the majority we have very good data vast majority liberals so they will hear that and then they're going to make good friends if they hang out with each other they'll make buddies that you know it's like comrades in war they'll be friends

124:35for life uh then there are uh liberal students that go there and they have to be careful because they're just going to be in an echo chamber you know and they'll hear it and it'll be reinforced and they better be careful and try to make a point of attending a lecture if someone comes it's offering a different point of view because they won't hear it and uh but they but the conservative kids up till now up till a couple of years ago they were fine I mean people would occasionally be mean but now I'm a little worried because the this this Outburst of fanaticism this outbreak of of of calies who could be they could be very punishing yeah I mean can you even have a young Republican conference on on a a major campus well it's an in question there are they do have college Republicans I was invited to um even though I'm still a registered Democrat um the college Republicans and

125:30Libertarians at oberin invited me and it was the college Republicans and CLA B loet after you had already been like triggered the dog triggered and you the people came with a tape over their face no that was the same they were the ones that invited me all these kids found out and same at Georgetown so you were invited to speak to Republicans yeah yeah and Libertarians well that's probably a big big part of what went wrong right they just assumed you're part of the problem because of who invited you they didn't even care about that it was my name and they what they and they'd seen a you know a snippet of something from the factual feminist and said that I was I don't know trigger them a bad person they didn't want to hear they just did not want me on campus and you know I try to I try I always try to put myself in the other person's position I think what would upset me

126:15like that what who would I there a lot of people I would be very upset you know if a Nazi were com or even someone who I I you know I just thought was Reckless and and defamed people first of all I don't I'm not like that at all I haven't done anything like that uh but I can imagine being upset but even then what would I do if someone invited a horrible person I would not I would I would write on our bad or have you know a a you on the campus you have to that's the place where you should learn to fight these things you fight bad ideas with good ideas right not by spitting on them which happened at Yale and not by intimidating them which happened at Yale and missoury and not by this kind of mob hysteria who got spit on it y I think it was um this is so this is typical of what happened some Greg Lucan off from this group fire that I urge people to check out because they're really taking

127:15they're they're Leading The Way fighting this nonsense on campus well he was speaking at Yale and as a and he's actually the one that filmed wait a minute am I confusing my schools he filmed the student oh yeah yeah it was at Yale he was speaking and he had an iPhone and he was with the professor whose wife had challenged the Halloween costumes and he actually was put on his iPhone not because he wanted to make a viral video but because he'd seen things like this happen and then students misrepresent what happened he was afraid they'd say that Dean got you know was screaming obscenities so he filmed it for that reason well before that he was giving a talk about free speech on campus and he was talking about some of the craziness going on and he just said in passing they're treating you know the Dean's wife I'm not sure this was an example but it was something like this they're

128:07treating the Dean's wife as if she's some kind of war criminal as if she burned down a Indian village that like she's a genocidal Mania some protesters said Indian village you're making a joke about genocide and then they they he went crazy and had to be removed from the room then word got out that somebody had joked about genocide and it was complete nonsense a complete mangling of what Greg lukanov had said this is what's happening they take a little Comet totally out of Campus then the hysteria spreads because they're just ready to be to be triggered well I think it's again what we said there's just people looking for the green light they just looking for there's a green light I see Indian go and they just decide to get angry it's not it's not a naal response to uh someone saying something that's callous or rude or prejudiced it's it's a green light it's this these

129:00are certain subjects where you're allowed to be offended and now what's anything will offend these groups so it's more and more you know there was a time where our campuses were so segregated and they were being integrated and these you know you see videos of you know well you see footage of what it was you know in photograph famous photographs when they first integrated the University of Mississippi and I guess it was James Meredith going on campus and just horrible beh behavior and now that is so offensive that is racism now that there it's has to be you know the tiny somebody Drives By in a truck and maybe shouted something that mobilizes the campus well it's it's interesting that decades later things have changed so much that they have to search to find things to really truly be upset about yeah I I think that's these are gance collectors they just want to

129:55they're chronically offended people I mean what is that that would motivate someone to want to have to be in that mode I don't I I I as I said I'm not a psychologist I'm a philosopher I recognize bad ideas and nonsense but I don't understand that attraction I assume that they need real problems I assume that they need real some real adversity in their life they need something real to to do battle and some have said it may be the result of that the helicopter parenting and the self-esteem education so they they hot overprotective kids were you know every little uh setback you know there were parents and teachers and everyone you know oh poor thing so they never developed that healthy resilience they go to campus they hear they a Dean's wife writes a an email about Halloween costumes they don't like and they flip out like does anybody really believe that that girl who screamed at the dean

130:49when yelled at this is my home you know like all that crazy that she was yelling out crazy would she have done that if they were alone does anybody believe that does anybody believe that if they had met in an office somewhere and had a rational discussion she was acting she was putting on a theatrical performance for all the people that were involved kind of by worked up by the energy of the crowd by and you have to be careful of that I just warn people be careful of that emotion of of Rage doesn't lead to good places and that and and you know feel feeling really self-righteous and grandstanding and grandstanding there was a lot of all of that behavior you have misinformation Twisted theories moral fervor history is one long lesson in the dangers of combining these things what we talked about before that life essentially has become some sort of a bizarre open-ended reality show and

131:41that these people are jockeying for a great position on the social ladder and by being the person who yells at that guy on social media that girl got a lot of pounds the next day it's school girls would give her Knuckles and hug her that was amazing did you see you got 100 likes you know I'm just glad there was no social media when I was in college are you yes because I was a a were you crazy crazy and and not that crazy but a little crazy and I was on the periphery of a mob at NYU that occupied um a computer it was a big deal it was a big there was a computer you occupied a computer yeah it was well it was a big thing now they're occupying a whole street you occup no this was the Kant Institute and we were going to destroy D the computer what I hadn't thought it through why were you going to destroy the computer oh because we thought they were doing research for the war this is

132:29a long time ago okay this was 69 I believe maybe 70 and I was on the periphery of a crowd and I do think there was a moment where a Dean came and I may have had words with him and I am did you yell at him like that girl yelled at that no not like that but he just said something young lady and however the difference is once I knew he was a dean I ran away didn't want to uh I I don't know I'm just glad there isn't a videotape so how were they using the computer for the War I think that was the it was a mathematical Institute called The kurant Institute and they had a computer which was one you know a big deal it was huge and I think they thought they could go in and destroy it and but I'll tell you it was probably one of my first moments of awareness about the dangers of the left even though I was an enthusiastic participant we did break into the building and we were in someone's office

133:21and I was kind of thrilled ah I'm at the the the the military industrial complex and this is the brain Center and and I was in an office and somebody started punching out somebody's slides they were P you remember slides you put on they were punching them out and I thought oh what is that and I looked and it was like a professor's photographs of his kids and they were destroying them they were destroying them and then I looked around and thought this is just some person and I kind of slowly retreated I felt very as shamed I didn't know what I there were thousands of us there all right I'm not confessing to a crime right but I I was part of a crazy mob and I never forgot that and and then I started you know well I mean I still remained a protester for a while but never was I ever on the part of anything like that well I I think then you uniquely understand the the whole

134:14hysteria behind it and how you can get caught caught up in it and I understand something else some of the C eest ones are going to defect to to my side eventually because in in among the Marxist for example some of the best anti-marxist anti-ar were were former marxists some of the people that had the most penetrating analysis of what's wrong with totalitarian systems they were once people who were part of it I think there are a lot of smart kids who had a an education they've been robbed of a serious education they're going to realize it and they're going to reflect and they are going to be radicalized in a good way well you see that a lot of Truth people who are former cult members go on to become uh members of cult awareness groups or lead cult awareness groups I've actually had a couple on that have been in Cults and have talked openly about their I I think they they

135:09share something and that people love to be a part of a group it's it's a tribal thing it is tribal I remember chanting and and you know being and it was exhilarating you're like hell no no we won't go hell no hey hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today oh yeah yeah did that and um you went you march on Washington that's a cause though that made sense Vietnam was a up war is it was and it you know I don't think my understanding of it totally made sense but in retrospect it was a a messed up War oh you don't swear I do but just not on just be take it out on the very aware very aware interesting you have to worry about that that's a beautiful thing about being a comedian you have to worry about that you know I I don't worry about it because I I just worry about it because I it's been done so many times every little thing they'll take and then you know there's always my 92y old mother who

136:07will somehow she's on Facebook and she sees these things and she say what were you doing why you say that like she's gonna well she knows I but she's very leftwing yes so she yes she but she she totally agrees with me about uh my critic critique of feminism because she likes men she's never been that kind of a feminist she's a feminist who who she loves Humanity she's a little naive I think you know in her politics because she's still very left-wing but she's it comes from a good place so I'm sympathetic Not only was I once a radical but I'm sympathetic to leftist because the people probably some of the people closest to my heart are very leftwing but they're not haters they're not you know they don't take whole groups of people and impune them as evil well I'm I'm very sympathetic to a lot of the ideas that left-wing people have I don't know if I consider myself

137:00leftwing or libertarian or what but I'm kind of in the middle on a lot of probably me I'm homeless politically homeless I try to think well maybe I'm maybe I agree with the Republicans and then they'll say something that's so unacceptable yeah and then I think oh maybe Bernie Sanders and then 90% of all take all he'll say something and um and I thought I could be behind Hillary but she's kind of irritating and I think on these women's issues it's going to be um I don't know she could be very very bad for you know issues I care about how so she might not be but well in the current Administration there's an invisible government uh in all in all administrations there's an invisible government of uh people who you know regulators and people who work in little agencies in the government and they write policy they WR write regulation and so we've seen our schools a lot of

137:54the things I've been talking about that are contrary to the interests of boys this is coming out of government and it's coming out of these agencies and Democrats they they exist both Republicans can't stop it and they do it in other areas that I don't know as much about but in the Democratic the social issues the anything that affects education or media they're doing things that I just find very problematic and not in the interest of Liberty or well-being and um so that's what I worry that but she might not do it she might surpris us well I always assume that those directions are being prompted by special interest groups and people that have gotten people into power in the first place and by the time you get to be a president you have so many people you're beholden to so many people that have spent so much money you almost have very little time to think about anything

138:46other than reconciling that right and it's probably not your primary interest but you're you you're you want to help out the American Association of University women and you assign people to deal with that they run with it yeah and then they run with it and make policy that you may or may not even agree with but you kind of committed to some really bad policies in ed in my opinion in education so I worry about the Democrats there so there's a lot to worry about in both parties so I'm kind of homeless but but do you take satisfaction in what you're doing do you enjoy making these uh factual feminist videos and I do to this I wish I weren't doing it I I did not in this sense there's so many things I have a lot of interests and I would also like to spend some period of my life just being a diletant because I love music and literature and art I love to go to travel and this

139:38takes a lot of time it takes a lot of energy and not always good energy because you're dealing with once again I have to read something that is so problematic and sometimes it takes a long time to untie knots in the truth it's easier to tie a knot in the truth than untie one so I'll have to write a long article explaining why someone is so wrong and I have to do it over and over again so it's tedious on the other hand I don't like I don't want to see bullies winning and so I I'm I welcome the time where more people come forward but it does we do need to have more professors coming forward because you need Scholars and you need people who can look at the data you need statisticians it's not enough to have activists so this can't be done by pundits the hard you know the heavy lifting to push back the politic politically correct forces of unreason on campus it's going to have to be other

140:34Scholars that that um put up the stop sign or you know that that encourage uh a move towards uh you know more rational worldview but what's going to motivate them to do that to make a shift it's possible that things are getting so bad that more will be emboldened that more realize like what happened to the Yale guy now there's for example there's Steve Pinker at I guess yeah he's at Harvard and there's Jonathan height at I believe he's now at NYU was at the University of Virginia they've been outspoken for a long time but they are really starting to come out and call cry foul about what's going on and they're powerful and they're they're brilliant guys and tremendous command of you know the literature in their fields and they're able to bring that to Bear fantastic lectures and essays and books and so forth so there's Jonathan height there's stepen perer but I want more

141:33women I think that it's going to take women Scholars to challenge the hegemony of the this this Hardline you know male averse feminists that that you know have a monopoly now on gender studies going to take some women Scholars so I'm waiting for them to come I but they just so far it hasn't hasn't Happ there are a few but not very many do you is there a single man out there that teaches gender studies oh yeah really what are they like one of oh I'm thinking of one person I won't mention him but he's so frustrating you reacted so quickly there was it was such a a just a visceral built-in oh oh I'm thinking of a particular individual who's so frustrating why is it so frustrating you don't have to name his name but what's wrong with this poor bastard you know I will say what's wrong with him and his name is Michael Kimmel and what frustrates me he is a male

142:28feminist as radical as any that I've mentioned and he was given a fortune or maybe not a fortune but a sizable amount of money to start one of the first centers for the study of men so he's at I think it's Sunni or one of the New York campuses and he has all this money for a center to study men and he doesn't like men doesn't like well in my he's a Hardline feminist he believes that in toxic masculinity he loves to talk about things like that he takes the worst case male um you know a school shooter or some deranged sociopath and and and makes that a metaphor for all men he does that sort of thing you know the Coline Killers those are our boys all our boys no they're not they are Psychopathic Killers and they are extreme even among Psychopathic Killers they do not they don't they don't represent our boys and I'm overstating a little bit but not by much so we finally

143:25get a center that's going to study young men and and it's run by him and who does he put on the board he's got Eve enler who wrote The Vagina Monologues which was kind of male averse I don't think there's a very any any positive males in that ex said maybe vagina Bob but he's not very sympathetic and then there's uh glorious dyam and Carol Gilligan they it's it's not going to work so he's a male gender studies Professor he's a a feminist sociologist feminist sociologist what does this gentleman look like does he look like what you would expect uh I don't know what you're imagining is he overweight woman with pink hair no no he looks normal he looks just no I don't know what is I don't know what forces created but he that's what we're dealing with so there's a few a few of those they're like vampire familiars that's what they're like you see that movie Blade he would have these little

144:28uh these sycophants around them that were not really vampires but they wanted to be vampires they were hoping the vampires would turn them and they would say anything they'll well he believes it and he believes the statistics and and you know I was thinking maybe when he started this Center he'd become a little more sympathetic towards and I don't see evidence of that he's still well you could certainly if you looked around the the problem is the the the numbers of people that you're dealing with you're dealing with 300 plus million people in this country and Decades of news stories and if you wanted to look at the numbers in that way you could find a lot of evidence that men have done horrible I mean there's there's no doubt about it there no question you look at our prisons and I we talked before that male violence sure they are more violent and a society that doesn't take an

145:16account the male capacity for rule breaking risk-taking and wreaking me you you know boys who are insufficiently socialized have very unpleasant ways of making themselves noticed and you have to be careful and but it but it's this tiny minority and it usually takes other men to protect the rest of us from them and I always wonder like just the other day in Paris there was this horrible terrorist attack and there was a little story about in the news about uh this this Cafe and these people were slaughtered in the cafe and there's this lovely young woman who was in the hospital from trauma and there was this beautiful man who' thrown herself on him his Instinct was just to protect her and protect as many people as he could this beautiful guy and I thought why can't we take him as emblematic of what men can do you know but they the gender Scholars never we never find him we find serial

146:13killers they say well that's what men do well there certainly are a lot of men serial killers the problem is I think when you focus only on the negative aspects of it you also run the risk of self-de by the people that that listen to what he has to say and take his class you you become Guilty By Association you are a man like you you get those those guys who make those videos that I am apologizing for every man ever before me and they want to distinguish themselves as being different they want to go way out of the way have you ever seen that dear woman video oh God yes I have and it's it's and it it's the worst kind of gender profiling isn't it I mean the it's perfect it's perfect cuz those guys are those guys are the guys that wouldn't survive if you took those guys on like a Tre through the woods those the guys that would have the sprained ankles and they would start weeping

146:59those are the guys and those are the guys that if you left they would be at home with your wife and they would uh say horrible things about you and what a terrible person you are and try to get her to love them instead of loving you because they're weak they're what pardon my French weak that's what what what men like to call men like that and that's why they make those videos th those videos they're not made by normal why why would a man apologize for things that other men have done if you've done something horrible you should say dear women I I've done some up i' I made some horrible movies that portrayed women in a very unfavorable light and I didn't consider the fact that some women would watch those movies and it would somehow or another Define them in their own way I I shouldn't have done that well this isn't what they're doing they're doing they're apologizing

147:42for the other men right and they're therefore setting themselves up on a moral High Ground which is what a lot of male feminists do they're weak men they're really weak men they're unfavorable sexually and they're they're they're not the type of men that women would choose so what they have done is they've tried to figure out a way in the game to to be like the what men want is people to love them it's women wanted everybody wants people to love them and what when they don't have any particularly outright masculine characteristics they're not attractive they're not handsome they're not bold they're not daring they're not creative they're not profound or charismatic they become male feminists and that's what they do they become these sort of gender traitors that they they call out all the weakness of all the other men sort of highlight themselves as being

148:33different I'm not saying it's all male feminist because again I think there's a lot of male feminists that they take on this idea because they do see sexism they do see they they want people to be equal they want to be judged based on the merits of who they are as a human being I think I can respect them I just would like them to consider that things are not exactly the way they think and they might have been taught by a charismatic uh women studies Professor they might be more complicated and they should know that there was efforts to keep people like me and Camille poia and Wendy camer and a long list of us there were there were a group of feminists who were not male averse who were sex positive and we were driven you know we were not included we were not invited to the table and there's a reason why kids they they don't read us or if they do you know it's immediately just Savaged

149:26and and very selective and what they assign so they they haven't had the advantage on these issues of hearing from a a range of a full range of opinion yeah it's it's fascinating because what none of what you're saying is offensive none of what you're saying is derogatory and the idea that you would somehow or another trigger people or or cause the creation of safe spaces is is preposterous it's observ I need I need an armed guard me yeah to protect I love it how there were women I love that they women armed guards well they were protecting me because they both at and this happened at Georgetown they gave me security guards at Georgetown as well so you else was happening at Georgetown for whatever reason among social justice Warriors as they are sometimes called clapping is thought to be triggering and so when they approve of what you or their comrades say they do jazz hands or

150:15click clicking and yes if you watch some of the mobs on campus they're clicking their fingers yes you can see it and it's I just want to say even as a former radical like don't do that cuz clapping is like beating like like someone could be beating you is that what it is maybe it's this it's just whatever it's just upsetting stressing and otherizing it's otherizing maybe Is that real otherizing is that a real term otherizing treating as the other and by the way nobody does more otherizing and demonizing than these Hardline feminists it's like everything they say men do not everything but most of the things they say men do they do they stereotype demonize otherize and they don't just do microaggressions they're macro aggressive they're very rude what is this fashion now among so many feminists to be so snarky and mean yeah and I don't I don't think being mean I mean

151:13men didn't didn't succeed in the world in you know univer because they were mean and vicious I mean that's why do they think that that is a recipe for Success because it gets effect it has an effect today with in our social media climate the fact that we have this new world this new environment those snarky posts get the most reaction they get the most retweets and favorites and they get the most likes and that is seen as currency it's seen as like a social media currency and so by attacking people you can also get them to respond and engage you it's a way they seek out uh high-profile people that might be uh that might have a difference of opinion with them they'll seek them out and insult them and force them to engage because someone you read something insulting about you like whoa like I told you like when I'd been called a male rights Advocate by this really

152:06obese uh feminist woman I was like what is that mean what is an MRA and I had to read it I just blocked her I'm like I'm not going to engage with someone who just insults me and just says a bunch of insulting and calls me a and an and all these different things where I I never even communicated with them I had no communication with her whatsoever she just decided to single and it wasn't just one it was there was quite a few of them and um it's because a lot of people react you get that and it's your automatic reaction to react to them you know that's why they're yelling things at you they're trying to get you to react to them if they just talk to you in a normal way and there's a bunch of people talking I used to be drawn in on Twitter not not because I wanted to react I always I am uh is the mother and the professor in me if someone's carrying on and I I want to reason with them and you

152:53know and then it I have learned that it's a waste of time in some cases we're all learning we're all learning how to handle this this new world and definitely do not write engage late at night it keeps you up I I I I've been tweeting like at 3 in the morning I think this is insane because I'm I've gotten some exchange or or I'm watching an exchange it's it's not a good thing to do do not tweet after midnight wonderful in a lot of ways I and I I'm hope I have I hope that all this Ridiculousness is something that's going to be ironed out and I think that this is something that all human beings are starting to learn how to navigate the world of social media and that these this kind of behavior where someone just immediately gets snarky and uh becomes insulting just in order to get attention it's going to be laughed at I think that's a good point that we're going to

153:45it's going to evolve and there will become uh sort of Unwritten rules yes of the game and I hope one of the rules is don't join a hitter a a Twitter hate mob yes and attack some Hess Professor or someone that you heard from somebody told a joke and and by the way can we just leave jokes alone altoe I mean let let comedians tell their jokes you can't now have a comedian on campus because everyone will be triggered well comedians are bullies if you make a joke about something you're a bully if someone dis disagrees up we people like George Carlin were that was where they were they were on campus and and you know yeah most of us won't work on campuses now I know yeah a big percentage of comics won't work on campuses and apparently they're little committees I read the story about little committees that who decide which comedian to invite and they have to try

154:38out and and there are so many ways you can strike out I mean forget the obvious ways you can everything is offensive yeah everything is offensive um jokes are offensive jokes are triggering I had a guy I mean this this is going way back this is going back to the early 90s I I used to do a lot of colleges when I was coming up but it was way easier back then there was no social media it was not hard to do and this was like um ear like 9091 92 pre- internet uh I used to do a lot of them because it was a great way to make money but uh I remember one time I I used to do this Q&A thing with kids they would ask me questions and you know I would just joke around after the show so I'd do my show like I didn't have anywhere to go so I and so the guy goes uh the guy goes I forget what what he said something about tell a joke so I said two Jews walk into a bar they buy it thank you very much

155:33you know it's a joke yeah it's a and he came up to me after the show and said that was really offensive what you said about and I could tell he was like testing the waters of whether or not he should actually be offended I go you really offended I go what's offens offensive by that it was a stereotype it's stereotypical and I'm like well it's about Jewish people buying things being successful in business like it's not negative at all like how and he was perplexed find it funny but but it's a stupid old Street joke but saying that it's offensive was an automatic reaction to this young kid that hadn't yet experienced this wave of social justice Warriors that were reinforcing these stupid ideas he has in his head like he had decided that since I was saying something about an ethnicity just even saying it yeah was a minority and just even saying a joke about it was

156:18offensive was it's clearly not an offensive joke it's it's about Jewish people being good at business I mean that's the whole it's it's not even a good joke it's it's terrible but I I'll never forget it him coming up to me and saying that I found that really offensive I'm like get the out of here you didn't think that was offensive that's not offensive it's just not it's not it's not good but it's certainly not offensive I hope he doesn't see any Mill Brooks movies or listen to Jackie Mason or you know well it's just it's that thing where you're young and you want to kind of establish your your Viewpoint and you want to separate yourself from the the the fools of the world and say that you know you're going to be different than your parents you're going to Branch out on your own and you're you know you're a young mind they're 18 years old 19 20 whatever they are

157:06they're they're off away on their own staying in dorms and reinforcing each other's terrible ideas together and some of them more sensitive than others and some of them grew up in a more suppressive environment than others some of them more easily LED than others and some of them will have ideas that they will nurture when they're 18 or 19 years old they will completely abandon when they get into their 20s and they they realize how Preposterous those ideas were unless they get completely indoctrinated and then they go on to become a part of the very system that indoctrinated them themselves I think that's a lot of the the fears that a lot of people looking at it from the outside like me that's a lot of the fears that we have like we we wonder like this is sort of a closed loop the the the closed loop of becoming an academic yourself and reinforcing these ideas without a

157:52whole lot of interaction with the real world without a whole lot of interaction with people that have differing opinions that may be just as intelligent as you and maybe you can learn from each other or come up with some sort of a middle ground but that's not tolerated there's no you you you don't tolerate anybody that looks at these ideas from a a different perspective or from a singular point of view like it it all has to be in this very rigid ideological predetermined pattern of behavior that everybody locks into yeah well we need a rebellion a youth Rebellion well is that that do you don't you think that's kind of going on though like the reaction to these videos there's a rebellion well it's it it is a rebellion and this will give you heart when you read in this as I do because on Twitter people send me these things you'll read an article in the Yale Daily News or the Amherst

158:44whatever newspaper they have um people will write something very annoying PC to the extreme and then you read the letters and those give you heart because you still see there is still very reasonable people in these colleges who are not buying it but they have to be somehow empowered I don't know how to do that yeah I don't know how to do that either but I think information and open discourse and just those that's that's exactly what's going on right now with the internet and with social media those two things are the most important aspects of a a society evolving and a society Without Really without anybody running it I mean the thing about colleges and the thing about a university course is that you have a professor you want to get a good grade the professor has an ideology that they're sort of passing on to you and you want to try to manipulate them a

159:41little bit and write in a way that you think that they will that will appeal to their sensibilities their ideology well the internet doesn't have that I mean you have you have giant groups of people but ultimately you just have people I mean that's really what it is there's a a lot of different kinds of ideas that are floating around out there and you're going to find people that resonate with your ideas and people that don't and along the way you're going to you're going to have people that read some of the things that you've written or some of the things that You' said and take it down and and and call you a fool and you're going to have to look at that and you're going to have to go wow maybe when I yelled at that Yale Dean I was being a idiot maybe that is Grand standing maybe that is preposterous you know and maybe I would not have done that if I was alone with

160:24him maybe that is just something that I did because I was caught up in the fervor of the group by the way that Professor who really shamed herself by acting out but and it got on the media the one from the University of Missouri the communications Professor um she did write she wrote an apology and I thought it was I mean I'm willing to forgive her uh because it was heartfelt and she did say that she was sort of horrified to watch herself and so I'm thinking now she may be just a but I thought people were saying oh she's just trying to keep her job well first of all I don't think we should be after people's jobs and you know in that way I mean not that she did teach a lot of weird courses she taught a course on abstinence and U no no 50 Shades of Gray is it 50 or whatever she taught us course on 50 Shades of Gray and she taught a course abstinence in the

161:14Twilight series oh she did yes about how Edward didn't have sex with her and she meanwhile she wrote Edward was 17 years old the he was okay he was 100 years old he just died when he was 17 he became a vampire that's a goddamn pedophile movie the the the saying he's 17 years old you should check your privilege lady yeah and her privilege but I did I didn't this I needed jazz hands it but it's hard to do that for audio most of our audience is Audio Only oh really massive am oh good they don't see my tick no no but I touch my hair too much and I I do it's not a bad thing uh I've had I had ha just constantly I'd throw it over my shoulders i' flip it don't you don't you hate sometimes seeing yourself I'm so used to it oh you're used to it so I I've watched some lectures and I have ticks and I sh I I don't know what to do and I thought oh but my age I'm not going to go change so

162:08I just got yeah I mean you learned a lot about what's annoying to you like a lot of people do things that are annoying to other people they don't know it you learn a lot about like speech ticks we were just talking about that on the last podcast as we did the the expression like like people say like all the time like there's like a thing like that you do like it's like a sophisticated version of um and there's another one when I'm lecturing I do a lot of Ms that's normal you're it's you're thinking you know we sort of accept accept that's why it's so impressive when you meet a guy like Sam Harris that can get through hours long conversation with no preparation whatsoever and never um and speak in perfect paragra perf yeah I don't know how the he does it yeah it's did you ever hear Christopher Hitchens no no never had I would have loved to get drunk with that guy would

162:52fun long as I didn't say anything stupid and have him eviscerate me I remember him with most deaf he was on Real Time with Bill Maher with most deaf and most deaf didn't know what the he was talking about he was who I love as a rapper he's an awesome musician but he was talking about the the difference between the Taliban and Al qaa he didn't understand the difference between the two and Hitchens just lit him up he was drunk he had a couple of drinks in him and he just decided like this is this is the problem these people with opinions that have never bothered to research exactly what they're talking about and he just lit them up yeah you do not want to be taken down by someone like Christopher Hitchens yeah he was he was very funny and provocative in a lot of ways too he he wrote that uh Vanity Fair piece which is very funny about women not being funny you know why women

163:38aren't funny which of course is not really true there's a lot of women that are really funny but he was pointing the fact that women that are funny are kind of like they're Butchy in almost like a masculine sort of a way yeah he's not really right about that but he he's not right about that cuz Sarah Silverman's one of the funniest people on the planet and she's very feminine she's not Butchy at all yeah but even going back people do you remember do you remember meline Khan sure she's so funny she was fabulous and you know and Jo Rivers I mean look Joan Rivers is one of the best all-time comedians she was you miss her yes I do we need her now what's going on in campus she would be so great yes well she was back then even she was talking about it I mean when she was alive she was talking about how ridiculous it is these kids are babies you know she would be and and young women need to

164:25see people like her I mean she's she was funny and she was smart she was fast and yeah there's a lot of young upand cominging comedians right now too that are women that are really hilarious that are very feminine it's you don't have to be and then they should be one thing they should they can be feminine but they shouldn't be politically correct it would be terrible if we had a group of feminists that did that actually practicing comedians that would then start policing I don't see that but it has happened in other professions well there are some male feminist Comedians and they're brutal they're brutal it's like are they listen to to no I mean they have small groups of people that subscribe to their ideas and you know they're happy to join in they think they're great and they're reinforced by the echo chamber but you know they're just they're saying nonsense but I would think comedians

165:14like and like the atheists these are these are Skeptics they are people who thought through for them you would think that they would not be vulnerable to um sort of a political hijacking by a a group that believes a lot of things that are demonstrably false and yet they were vulnerable there I think that not all of them I mean there was a division was very divisive well people don't like being criticized you know and if you're criticized and you're you're mocked and you're taken down because of your ideas you'll soften those ideas you'll Bend With the Wind yeah but I'm saying if it happens to comedians it'll be it won't happen they you know it just can't cuz it's going to be so tempting for someone to come in and you just blow it away well the way we got to be comedians in the first place is by resisting all that stuff what the real problem becomes when

166:00they become successful in maybe another Arena like maybe they become a talk show host or they have a a big important job with a network on some sitcom or something like that and they don't want to rock the boat like you'll notice like a lot of comedians they get sitcoms and then the sitcoms become really popular and they pretty much stop performing they they stopped doing standup that happened with a lot of them Jerry Seinfeld didn't perform for a long time um because you can be Tim Allen same thing you can get in trouble you can get like I know guys who had sitcoms where there the network actually told them to not do standup just put it aside for a while that was uh his name from uh the this John Stamos sitcom the Bob Saget Bob Saget who had like a really dirty act but was on like a family sit they look shut him down like he stopped doing standup for a long

166:53time well I wish we had George Carlin wish we had Mort sa my dad Mor is still around he's still around but I he tweeted at me a couple yeah he's on Twitter a year ago yeah on Twitter still doing some stuff there's a few of those guys that are still out there you know uh Dick Gregory is actually at The Comedy Store this Sunday I'm going man I'm going for sure I mean while he's still alive I want to come see him dick Gregor is the guy who Ian he's not just a comedian and activist but he actually is the guy who brought Heraldo Rivera this auder footage where he showed it on television like I think it was 10 years after Kennedy was assassinated that showed Kennedy's head violently going back into the left and made people start to consider the fact that maybe he was shot by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald and it start all those conspiracy theories so he's a fascinating kind of a

167:41guy he is my father was a big fan of his lately I know I don't know I he's he's taken some odd positions but you know Dick Gregory on what I don't remember I just remember thinking what happened with him but he but people do that and then they come back well also they get really old he just go but he could I'm sure he's he was in his prime he was so funny yeah and uh well he's a very important guy it goes back Lenny Bru I mean he's gone but but those that spirit it's I'm sure it's alive it's a spirit of coming there's a lot of those out Bill Burr's a great guy for that there's a lot of those people out there that are just they need to be mocked and you know for comedians that's fuel it's like we we we feed on dry wood you know and fire catches dry wood we need a a comedian invasion of the campuses if you can we're not going to do it it's not worth it there's like there's too many angry

168:32people like we'll crack one joke and we'll get angry you know quote unquote hashtag activists that'll attack days Chris Rock said that he said it's notth it I'm not gonna go you know it's not worth it they'll start chanting in the middle of your show and disrupt your performance they think that their sensibilities are more important than your performance it's just it's nonsense it's not the make them go out there and earn a living pay bills get drunk do stupid things get their car toad then come to a show come to a show when you understand reality come to a show when you understand bills and frustrations and you know come to a show when you're an adult right now you're a baby that's often some I mean you're you're a child who's essentially gone from your house to some sort of a holding Penitentiary they're they're indoctrinating you with all these wacky ideas and want to yell at

169:20people I don't know is there anything else you like to add before we wrap this thing up we just did three hours are you serious yeah oh my goodness flies by crazy that's how it goes it's been fun yeah it's been great in your man cave here have people seen this some people have seen this it's getting more manly that's a recent addition that mu deer head that's a recent one but uh yeah it's all stuff that either people have given me like this little biggie statue or this Buddha I don't know just sort of accumulates or stuff that I put here yeah yeah but this is where I I told you before the show started I I have to do this cuz in my house I'm a little my house has been completely wiif well that's I I recognize things that my sons or husband might have brought in and I would have pushed aside I found a place for them in the attic I have things like this in the Attic yeah well when I uh

170:09shot that elk that's out in the hallway my wife was like what are you going to do with this I'm like don't worry I'll bring it to the office Jesus Christ that's how it goes that's how it goes listen um thank you very much for doing this I really appreciate you flying out here and thank you for doing that that video series I think it's excellent I think it's really important it's important that for people to see that you are a a kind and thoughtful person who is just you you expressing yourself because you feel that there is an unchecked point or that there's a a position that a lot of people have sort of Taken on feminism that's not not necessarily in line with how you think the the the the true nature of it was supposed to be when it was originally established exactly and if they show me I'm wrong I'll change my point of view I'm open but don't cut off

170:54debate that's what happened so I had to go on YouTube you know I'm not on the I mean I I'll visit the campuses but mainly now I'm making videos for the maybe the kids younger than the Millennials they're going to come along and rebel against these people in college now I think very likely that's possible I think I think as we were saying before that these people that are just learning how to navigate social media we're learning sort of the the dos and don'ts the the etiquette that's involved and communicating with people online and I think the the more intelligent rational people are realizing well you should communicate with people online the way you should communicate with them if they were right there in front of you and if we start doing that and I also think that this technology that we're experiencing right now is really the beginning of some sort

171:41of a much more invasive interfacing between human beings invasive I should say instead of invasive uh to be much more comprehensive I think we're going to get some sort of a visual interaction with each other and maybe even some sort of a sharing of data where it's not even based on reading things but you're actually going to be able to transmit thoughts to each other they've already figured out a way to transtion of our minds and then there can be merging and oh my goodness what are we going to have in I I wish I I would like to live to be 500 or a thousand just to see what happens you might live to be 500 when you look at what science is doing today I think I'll be going to darn well if you do miss it I think what you're doing like I said is very important and I think you're opening up a lot of people's eyes and you're also you're a great spokesperson for it

172:29because you're balanced and rational and it's easy to accept you're a nice person so what you're saying it's like coming from your point of view it's like I don't no one you're not grading on people it's it's nice it's beautiful so I want to thank you thank you very much for your series and thank you for doing this and if you ever have anything you need permitted please just let us know be happy to happy to get it out there for you thank you Christina Summers ladies and gentlemen that's it show's over good night bye big kiss