John Wayne Parr

00:00yes that's my old DE Brody Stevens what's up brother how are you great to see you mate I can't believe I'm here again this is awesome I can't believe you're here again too I can't believe 5 days ago you were in a world title fight look at you you look great yeah I was um straight after the fight I had to go to hospital I spent about four hours in hospital I thought I broke my foot but uh luckily all the x-rays came back clear uh swelling's going down a lot now so I one stage I didn't think I was going to be able to fight December the 5th but it looks like I'm on now with um sorus oh wow okay so did you kick an elbow or something do you know kick knees I think I was KCK his knees about half a dozen times and then um I didn't hurt cuz my face was so um jacked up from all the cuts and then it wasn't until I was getting stitched up that I noticed my foot was starting to go

00:41elephant TI and then uh and then once the Stitch was done I I sidebo come to the change room to get a photo with me and as I stood up to get a photo with her then I realized the pain was rushing to my foot I like okay I think my foot's broken so straight well luckily there's an ambulance there we got straight into the emergency and then um yeah was got on to the uh the the T Killers which into a different dimension what did they give you stuff I don't know that's um different different names here in America to Australia but um oh okay like oxycodones or something like those lines it was trading with an injection oh probably morphine the good stuff uh this pink elephant came into the room and started chatting to me saying hey I don't think I don't think the your foot's not broken but uh you are in a different uh Galaxy now say welcome it's pretty cool was it really a pink

01:28elephant or you just around could be possibly around so you got you you've had 300 and how many stitches in your 15 now 315 315 now I broke I broke uh 300 about 4 weeks before I got to America with a an accident in the gym spiring and I thought okay 300 you beauty and then and then cozmo was cozmo was polite enough to give me another uh two cuts with another 15 stitches so so now I thought my my Plateau was 300 so now my next goal is I guess is 400 cuz I've already passed the 35 my goodness who's got the most stitches on their face ever in Muay Thai oh mate that's a good question I reckon I have to be close you got to be up there I'd have to be um but I'm starting to now now my doctor he said uh because I bring my own doctor with me when I come to fight everywhere around the world and he said it's just scars breing on scars now it's um I'm got the the Nick the ass sort of eyebrows so

02:23this one's had at least maybe 80 in it alone this this eye one left eye 80 80 well that's the main cuz that's the right elbow coming down so so um well that's the knock on Muay Thai as opposed to Glory which Unfortunately they just got they just uh lost their their deal with Spike TV or canceled their agreement with Spike TV I don't know what happens but they pulled Glory off Spike which is really very disappointing for me as a fan of uh kickboxing and I was just hoping that that would translate into um you just to people getting a more more understanding in this country of of uh high level kickboxing yeah you know um I was lucky um Glory Glory was the the one and then you had the line fight so I reached out to Scott Kent with the line fight and I said oh mate is there any chance you can put me on um I seen how much exposure they're having with Access

03:16TV and uh and with their with their deal with everyone in the world is paying attention to the line fight right now and because it's pure my tire as well I thought um this is this is definitely the show to try and be on to to raise the profile so um I jumped on board and then uh I'm so devastated that I lost it was it was such a tus fight and um but at the same time even though I'm lost and I'm sad I knew that I I gave 100% um and hopefully the the crow was entertained enough to hopefully invite me back and hopefully Scott was happy with my performance it was a it was a great fun fight but what I was going to say is that Glory doesn't have elbows and that the the the thing that people worry about with like line fight and and pure myay Thai is that there's a lot of cuts and a lot of people get cut and Prim get cut by elbows yes but you know the way I look at it is like that is a

04:05it's it's an excellent weapon and if you should be able to kick or if you're able to kick and you're able to knee to the face and you're able to do all the things that you can in MMA why can't you elbow in Muay Tha you know and why can't you clinch you know ex yeah exactly the same as MMA how can you how can you take away the the rules and water it down into one sort of category and then and then call yeah I think it's it's hard the same when the same deal when naan cor came over here um he's the elbow master um and then when he came over here to fight for Glory um he got beaten by Spong he got beaten by Saki and everyone saying well but if he had his elbows that would have changed the maybe who knows you'll never know but you certainly it's it makes you think and you know when you're thinking that's bad in in the cage or in the ring or wherever you're competing the idea is to

04:53train so hard and train exactly how you're going to fight so that it all comes out automatically and when your automatic Instinct for Nathan I mean how many fights has he had uh I think close to 70 yeah I mean think about all those fights that he had throwing elbows think about all those training sessions throwing elbows and then all of a sudden he's in positions where he's like okay don't throw an elbow because that's normal you're getting in the clinch and it just it it's just normal for you yes and then all of a sudden they tell you you can't do it I mean I it's problematic I mean it's it's nice for these guys to be able to have another Outlet you I know Tyrone uh Tyron Spong is um doing some boxing now just some straight boxing which I think probably at least has shoes on so he'll be just thinking that he's you know like it'll it'll help him not throw kicks and not

05:38thinking he can throw elbows and things but the guys who are the best and the guys who are the the best uh at that particular style of Muay Thai it'd be great to see them use all their weapons it'd be great to see them utilize all the techniques of Muay Thai you see how technical Muay Thai is you know I I don't think people from the outside um that are watching it appreciate it for what it really is it's it's incredibly intense and Technical martial art yeah well toland's uh how many hundred years old so it's already perfected to the to the rule set and then everyone's trying to water it down to them to make it their own specific sort of rule set and then um but it's not the authentic when you keep it as it is it's already the the product's already there you don't have to change it it's already it's already vient and perfect enough and fast and so it's a shame that uh

06:30different organizations trying to but I suppose people don't like the clinch as much sometimes they think it's getting a little bit boring and plus when you get two guys that aren't uh at a certain level it does seem a little bit sort of dull it's not entertaining but in the early levels but so does grappling at a very low level so does a lot of things at a low level but I don't think you should ever sort of make rules that are dictated just to make people that are at a low level fight in a more fan-friendly enjoyable way I think you should just allow the people that are watching it to see the difference between a novice and someone who's an expert and see someone who uses the clinch to their advantage and see all the the different techniques that can be landed from the clinch the uses of the knee the use of the knees the the elbows from the break you know

07:16there's a lot of beautiful techniques that can be used from the clinch that you don't see because what Glory has done is sort of adopt the rules of K1 which the Japanese had kind of decided hey there's got to be a way to make these guys fight in a more exciting and fast-paced way let's make the rounds you know just let's uh let's make the fight shorter instead of having like many rounds like 10 Rounds or 12 rounds or something like that like a boxing match let's just do like three rounds and have them go crazy for three rounds you know yeah when I fought in Europe uh that was I fought in a organization called Super League back in 2003 2004 and that was the same deal again we're not going to spend airfare money flying all the way from Australia and get cut in the first round have the fight stop 60 seconds in otherwise waste of money for us so so we'll we'll we'll keep the

08:04knees we'll keep everything else but we'll just eliminate elbows just in case that that does happen does um lion fight do drug testing uh there was no urine test after the M nothing no wow so and then I think I think they were were in Vegas and uh now they've moved to um tacul and then um I think they're on the other side as well I forget the other place they're at but um no there was no no one waiting for r now is uh Tula the it's it's a casino right you you guys read a casino Pachanga is that what it is and is that a um Native American reservation where they can do whatever they want they have their own regulations yes you know they kept uh martial arts alive mixed martial arts alive in California okay the Native American reservations did because they put on uh King of the cage in uh Native American reservations when you couldn't have MMA in California it was illegal

08:56okay and so we used to drive out to the middle of nowhere to these very small Native American casinos and uh that's where the king of the cage would be and that's that was like the primary way that that's how like Uriah Faber got started a lot ofy Quinton Jackson got started a lot of guys got started in King of the cage and in California because of uh this loophole that allows Native American reservations to put on the fights but boy I would like it if they drug tested guys yeah yeah yeah yeah i' definitely feel a lot safer if I knew I wasn't fighting uh pure animals just dude juice to the tits well Cosmo Alexander is a big fellow and um he's quite a bit larger than you the guy the guy that you fought was uh he's um he's about 63 when they announced him they said 61 but there's no way 61 when I was looking up at him when the referee brought us together it was like looking

09:46at uh Michael Jordan or somethingone I like holy and then uh and then once the fight starts too just just trying to bridge that Gap to get into his range it was either as you explode into try and try and land your combinations those knees are flying past past your head left and right it's uh yeah it just makes it so much so much harder when they're so big and and um the funny thing is he can make I think 70 is 155 he can he can cut all the way down what yeah um his last fight before he F fought me was 71 kilos and I know before that he's fought at 70 and um Ben he's not a skinny 70 either once he once he feels right out after a way he's um he's still got the muscles and he still looks like a V so he's um yeah and and he's and to his credit I beat him back in 2008 and um he's just improved leaps and Browns um the way that he fought me on Friday night he he fought really well he

10:39he used his range he used um good power his power was so crazy everything everything he hit me with was um loaded so yeah good full full credit to him I tried my best um but yeah he was just um on his game yeah he looked very very sharp there was some great moments in that fight it's really interesting man you have a way of moving a very uh very specific way of moving inside the Octagon or inside the the ring rather if I watched you like a just silhouette if someone someone showed me a silhouette of you moving I go oh that's John Wayne par like I could totally tell it's it's so interesting you have your own very specific style of uh of moving and I would imagine that that style is like I mean you do a lot of things that other Muay Thai guys do like you're very light on the front foot but there's a way you have of throwing punches and combinations and so heavy off that front

11:29left leg is very specific to you you know and I think that for a lot of guys that's got to present them you you're um It's very effective but it's Unique you know and like in your style of movement it's like I don't I can't think of another guy like if I watch certain guys I go oh well that guy fights like this guy or he kind of moves a little bit like him or Thiago Alves is sort of like that guy or you know you can kind of do that with with a lot of Fighters but not with you you got this weird sort of unusual ual timing you know especially that left leg man you're you're like one of the best guys I've ever seen at that front left leg counter like to the body when a guy's throwing a punch yeah no thank you um yeah all that time spending in Thailand that that was one of their main things telling me it's so hard to block of the back leg um cuz that lead leg so light and and majority of the

12:18time 90% of the people are throwing leg kicks so you got that lead leg ready but when that's time to to throw the left um it's really hard to block so i' I've perfected that left on the on the pads I'm throwing that 70% of the time and my right leg's my power leg my my left leg is my my counter so I'm throwing that more than anything and then uh I started off with a really strong right leg and my left leg was okay and I just worked at it worked at it worked at it to make it my main weapon and now um it's like a jab for Boxer becomes their main weapon yeah and then someone soon as someone comes in strike I throw that left leg and it's not only not am I trying to score but I'm using it as a break to try and stop you from throwing your combinations also if I if I don't land on your ribs I'm hitting your arms I'm pushing you off balance so you can't throw the right hand or I want to try

13:02and break that right hand down so that's taking the power away from your right punch and you're putting weight into it too and Landing with the shin which also keeps the knee and the the thigh bone from you to to them it creates a space and has a lot of power to it yes you you use that so effectively man and I should have used it more too because in the after fight speech Cosman was saying oh he was hurting me with that left leg and then um oh he said to the body right he said that on the after fight and I like ah damn it I should have um I should have used it more but there's a couple of unique moments in that fight one of them was in the third round when you uh you just opened up with this crazy flurry yes like what was going on there did you just have this feeling did you just just say I'm just going to put a a barrage on this and see what happens yeah my theory is if if I

13:48can get someone covering up there I'm not going to stop so if the opportunity comes in if it might take me 30 punches it might take me 50 punches but eventually if if I can find that Gap and I hit you hard enough I know I can drop you so I was just trying my hardest to try and land that big one to try and put him down and I knew that I've done enough work in the gym to to throw all night and my gas tank was full there was no way I was going to gas so I just kept throwing throwing throwing thinking come on just learn that good one to just give him give himself an 8 count to get himself back into the game but um yeah he I think he wore 30ish and then um he got out of the corner and they Shrugged it off it's like damn it now I'm screwed well you know you it's it's funny because you see a guy blocking punches and covering up but uh guys get knocked out through gloves all the time

14:34yes yes especially with kicks right and then it's um I'm also trying to get in your head as well to make you uh trying yeah trying to trying to break you down thinking this guy's a machine how can I stop him um yeah but unfortunately it didn't work hzmo was it was good he was very good yeah there's another unique moment in the fourth round you rocked him with a right hand and then he started like cleaning the bottom of his feet yes yes he was hurt he was hurt he's like oh something on my foot like you just got rocked I just I first first I thought he lost his mouthpiece no and then and then I as as I seen him sort of I've gone to jump in and whoa whoa whoa whoa and then I thought he lost his contact I don't know what was going but it was a fool like no no no you're wrong I'm right just a second and then and then I then it's like oh no he was I I should have I should have

15:24jumped on him but um he played a little mind game there it was effective veteran move it's like stop stop stop stop wait wait wait no yeah okay I'm good there guys opportunity and you tried to move in and the referee got him between referee did the referee up he didn't know what was going on either he got hustled as well yeah so two he credit he pulled that move yeah that could have been my my shot well you could tell too because after that he wasn't the same and then in the fourth round or the fifth round rather you came on strong in the fifth round the fifth round was all you cuz I think you hurt him bad in that fourth round I think you stung him that's what that's the only reason why a guy would ever do like a con move like that like hold on man I got to clean the bottom of my feet like the are you talking about you don't get to clean the bottom of your feet the

16:10guy stops there's no timeouts in kickboxing it it was very strange and then uh we were chatting afterwards and you came into the change room and we we we had our our uh chat um and then he goes oh man you wouldn't believe it the very last uh punch you through you broke my nose now I can't breathe so as I've gone into the hospital to the emergency he was in in one of the other rooms getting his nose put back in the together so well you could see his nose leaking when he was talking to Pat milit his nose was leaking but uh he's a tough guy and it seems like a really really nice guy too and we've fought each other three times now and then we've also fought on the same cards here in Jamaica and Australia and a few other places and um nicest BL he's uh just the most genuine and then even when we we we got uh put together for this fight uh we were messaging each other privately on

16:57Facebook and um just talking about different things so there's no animosity it's just it's just business right he's got to get paid I got to get paid we we beat and competitions competition we beat each other up and then at the end of it again we go on each other's change room we high five good fight thank you very much um you know that's interesting because that's a that's a a big part of fighting um is the camaraderie between Fighters but also a big part of fighting is the mental game when there is no camaraderie when guys are with each other and it becomes emotional and there's a lot of Fighters that been tripped up by emotions like uh Donald Cerrone was on the podcast we were talking about his fight with Nate Diaz and Nate Diaz talked all kinds of crazy to him knocked his cowboy hat off you know called him every name in the book and then when they fought

17:44Donald was all up emotionally he was so emotionally invested in beating this guy's ass and not losing to this guy that he just couldn't perform at his best just just was so tied up and Conor McGregor he does that to everybody talks with you so hard by the time you get in there you don't even know who you are he's got you convinced you're a totally different person you would just want to kill him and then you can't even hit them it's like the it's such a it's such a mind when you wind up hating someone so in that sense it's got to be a pleasure when you meet a gentleman like Cosmo Alexander who's a great fighter as well and you don't have to think about all that jazz you can just just be yourself yeah know i' I'm very lucky with the sport I I haven't had any Conor McGregor's or Nick Diaz's in uh that I've ever in all your fights uh there was one time I was on a television

18:33show called the contender and then there was a French gentleman that was sort of getting under everyone's skin and he was uh talking talking a lot of smack but at the same time yeah what was that guy's name uh rafic yeah rafic he um and then everyone was coming up to me saying you got to knock this B out you got to knock this B out and then even the film cre were coming behind the scenes saying oh you got to knock this B out you got to get this guy off this show cuz soon as you on our show as soon as you lost you went home mhm so um I put a lot of pressure on myself the and then again the harder you try and knock someone out the less it happens and then and then the more mentally drain you get too cuz why why haven't knocked him out yet instead of thinking okay just do the business and if something lands then it goes down but when the harder you try the less it happens then the more

19:11frustrated you get then the more tired you get because you're mentally drained so uh yeah it's a tough gig that it's that's it's that way with everything man it's that way with everything as soon as you get emotionally invested in something like that and just you're dealing with that other thing which is even bigger and more Central to your your thought thoughts than your actual task at hand you're dealing with this like this talk Jazz blah blah blah which is you're going to fight I mean you're going to you're you're going to engage in the most intense form of competition ever and you're concentrating on this like talking like what difference does it make what we say if we're going to fight well the difference is if you can with a guy's emotions he can't fight good it's crazy um uh on the at the way with Cosmo uh on at the airport I bought myself a a little

19:59Boomerang souvenir and then I presented that to Cosmo at the Wayne and then we we we hugged and shook hands and took a photo with the boomerang and it was just a a gentleman gesture it's like oh well at least you're going to remember me we and then but then you look at the UFC and then they get you got Dana White standing in the middle and they're holding guys back it's like well 24 hours time you're going to punch each other in the face anyway so why why why all the why all this acting it's not and then same with um Conor McGregor and Aldo every time get together it's like well you technically you can't really do it now you're both going to get in a lot of trouble or you're going to get fined by either the commission or Dana or UFC or so just can't you just be I know it sells tickets too I know it's in it's riveting it's so you can't you can't not watch it you can't not tune into the

20:46websites and the and the replays but uh yeah I suppose being a gentleman sometimes can be boring compared compared when you look at it like that it's kind of a catch 22 right it's like cuz you can make a lot of money by being an yes right I mean God people pay attention to you it becomes this this huge media selling point it's the story and look the Jon Jones Daniel Cormier fight I think I do believe that Jon Jones is the best light heavyweight on the planet and I think he beat Daniel Cormier because he's incredibly skillful and because he's just so good but I also believe that Daniel Cormier was up going into that fight emotionally cuz Jonna talked so much to him they got in a fight at the weigh-ins where they like literally were throwing punches at each other and they had to be separated it was a giant bra it wasn't a weighin rather it was a press conference

21:35giant brawl at the press conference knocking people over throwing shoes at each other I it was Madness but John can handle that stuff better than Daniel can like JN can still perform at the same level in in under those circumstances and I don't think Daniel did yep yep yeah no that was um that was insane that was that was crazy well that's just Connor too I mean part of what Conor's doing is with people like that's what Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali did to Sunny Liston when Muhammad Ali first fought Sunny Lon they he was screaming and yelling at him so bad at the weigh-ins that they weren't going to let him fight that they thought there was something wrong with him because his heart rate was so crazy and his his blood pressure was so high they were worried that like this guy's not fit to fight and then he calm down he's like just relax go ahead I'm I know what I'm

22:25I know what I'm doing I'm just with this dude and if it turned out that he knew that Sunny Lon although he's terrifying and this this this massive hard puncher and knocked everybody dead he was scared of crazy people yeah yeah and that's what Muhammad Ali did he just acted like a crazy person he used to drive to Sunny lon's house he Park his car on sunny liston's lawn and yell out at him in the middle of the night just yell at him get up Sunny I'm gonna kick your ass Sunny he would say all kinds of crazy Sunny listen you ain't Sunny listen I'm The Man I'm The Champ The champ is here he would say all kinds of crazy on the lawn like on his lawn while the guy's trying to sleep he's doing the um Shannon Briggs well what Shannon brings does now yeah Shannon Briggs is hilarious isn't he let go champ do you do you P pay attention to his Instagram amazing I was for a while

23:20but then it's it's it's on Loop it's pretty much every single video you watch is exactly the same whereas Al had a bit of class about it oh same as Conor con is a genius as well oh yeah the break out the red panties like that's um that's gold that was pretty cool yeah break out the red panties yeah if you're fighting me break out the red panties honey we made it yeah no he's a he's a genius Connor is the best talker ever how even think of that you're lying in bed Lane on your P thinking you know what yeah what color panties do my mrss wear when we the red ones the red ones are probably the best ones I don't even think he's thinking it I think that's just him I think he just he's just free and just just thinks just thinks that way you know he's just an amazing talker he's so good at it yeah IAL um I talked to h a fair bit between um the last couple of days and he reckons he's

24:08such a good guy he re yeah yeah H said um when you talk to him one-onone he said he's just the the nicest politest gentleman you'll ever meet and then you put him in front of a stage and especially in front of those crowds that they're pulling at the Ws and press conferences and then he just he just um shines and just come becomes this different animal which is a marketing G Geniuses at the same time too they just a brilliant entrepreneur that's going to be set up for life and he wasn't like that earlier in his career you know he became like that really when he got to the UFC I mean he had a a hair of that before he had a little bit of that before where he was confident he would talk well and I've been following Connor for years I tweeted him a long time ago like uh several years ago back when he was uh fighting in England I believe it was I think it was England I'm not sure

24:56fighting at some overseas organization I watched it on YouTube and I was like this guy's talented he's talented he's got a clean left hand too his uh his his left-hand Power Punch W that's a good Night Irene punch man from the south pool yeah he he he's so good at measuring guys too very good at measuring he has a very offspeed movement his movement is unusual very difficult to time that's one of the things I I was thinking about when I was watching you fight unusual movement you know it's it's a very very um very difficult thing for guys to deal with like a lot of Fighters would tell you that um sparring with a person who has a very traditional style is almost like comforting sometimes but you spar with a guy who might not even be as skillful but is doing things all wrong but has a lot of power like does things like real weird like um the guy who just fought

25:48Sugar Shane Mosley that crazy guy who smokes cigarettes from Nicaragua yeah Ricardo Mayorga Ricardo Mayorga is a perfect example when he used to fight uh the late great Vernon Forest he beat that dude because Forest couldn't deal with his his his weird crazy punches coming from everywhere it was Madness those punches were coming from like behind his calf and over the top and hit you on the nose like what the like everything was winking and wild and with murderous intentions and so it was so Street you know everything it was it was not like skillful it was not like fighting uh like a Roberto Duran who was like incredibly skillful but also like raw too you know with Ricardo mayor everything was awkward it's like you didn't know what the you couldn't get into this Rhythm like you see like two very skillful boxers fight you know you you see they're looking for openings

26:39they're probing but you see like a a common Rhythm or a rhythm that you've seen before you know it's a conventional way of moving same in Bangkok you watch two professional ties and they train identical so when you put them against each other now you're you're watching a chess game and then now and but back in the '90s anyway then you Chuck in your Raymond Deckers or or or or luckily for myself um you throwing in that that the hands because they weren't really boxing back then and all of a sudden you've throwing out the Rhythm because they're not all of a sudden they're like what the hell's going on here yeah yeah Ramon Deckers used to do everything hard everything hard every punch was murder every kick was murder yes and but see the difference between you and him was that you've fought smart enough to get to 39 years old and still can World title fights yes whereas by the time he

27:30was in his late 30s his body had just been destroyed he destroyed his ankles like they say that by the time he had his last few fights like his ankles were so bad that his doctors told him if you break your ankle again we might have to amputate your foot yeah yeah and so he switched his stance he started kicking with his other leg but then the fight would get heated up and he' go it and he would go right back and hot throw that same kick over and over again just slaming the guy's arms slam to their knees slam to their Shin yeah he's a g he's a king I said that last time too he's he's still a king I still I still think he's he was amazing man half pound the greatest ever he's he was the man he he's someone I'm trying to implement still and I said that last time too and um yeah my whole every single every single time I have a fight I'm trying to emulate trying to walk in his footsteps

28:18to to become the next him so now how how have you gotten to 39 years of age though I mean with all your cuts and all that stuff but you you don't have any injur injuries that have stopped you from competing at the world class level uh just uh luck uh I've been so fortunate to have good genetics um and I still have the passion I still wake up every morning at 5:30 um I'm on the road at 6:30 I'm still running 12ks uh I'm still hitting the pads just as hard I'm still doing massive rounds uh for this last prep Bo I was running uh 100 km a week I ran for 10 weeks I worked out I ran 1,000 km for this Camp so that that's morning and night together what is that in American uh 600 mil 600 miles so 600 mil for the over 10 weeks that's a lot of miles dude um nine rounds on the pads sounds better when you say a thousand though yeah yeah sounds cool better I should go to

29:13meters um uh but nine rounds on the pads I was two two boxing five tie uh two or three leg Shields wow uh and then I'm I'm still running with the young kids I'm still sparring the young guys in Australia I got a couple young gentleman Jake Lon Elliot Compton to come to the on Su days um they're in their early 20s I'm still holding my own with them and they're they're like the the best projects Australia has and I'm and I'm I'm not losing so do you think that that's because of your passion do you think that's because of your enthusiasm that you truly love Muay Thai and I know you do I mean it's to to you it's just like it's so exciting and invigorating and fulfilling and do you think that that's what happens to Fighters um first the the the waning enthusiasm even before the body starts to to fail uh I'm not sure my no because I've had other students that I've because I run the gym

30:04I've had guys that have had 30 40 fights that are World beaters but their shoulder pops or their knee goes or their ankles goes and then it's not they have to retire it's not a not a case they want to they have to where I've been so fortunate that my knees are intacted my shoulders are good my my I've had a few problems with my hands but nothing really to stop me um I'm just surgeries with your hands at all no no nothing I no surgeries I've just had stitches just lots and lots and lots and lots of SES but um besides that uh I'm I'm just so blessed that um yeah no and then besides good genetics and and the passion that's um I just I just want to my life from the time I was 4 years old all I wanted to be was a martial artist and now I'm getting older and I know that my time is coming I I don't want to stop I want to ride the ra the wave all way until I pass but I know I can't but

30:54I want to if I had my way I I'd fight to the very day that I go to my grave do you are you more careful now that you're 39 years old are you more careful now about your diet about Rehabilitation about those kind of things I'm more more aware about losing weight before a fight before I was trying to do it tiway I was trying to lose 10 kilos in 3 4 days now I'm doing over a 10 we period so I'm only losing those last few kilos in the two days prior to the weight the Wayne do you think that though when you're fighting a really big guy like Cosmo Alexander who most likely lost a load of water weight the day before the fight and then IV um re rehydrated which is legal in Muay Tha still not legal in MMA anymore um at least in the UFC do you think that that is uh that that it's a detriment to you though this one I went upper weight division also I usually fight at middle well still the

31:48boxing boxing weight the boxing weight division this was 168 uh 167 67 so because I was flying to America I I didn't want to stab myself on the plane I didn't want to get here and I didn't want have to put the sweat on I didn't want to sa so I only had to lose uh 2 Kil 6B mhm so there's nothing so and then um and then come come come weighing time I felt comfortable but then come fight time the size difference was like oh my God it was different but it's interesting that you were the one who was coming on in the fourth and fifth round you know my fitness I I TR I I wanted it so I this is the I can't remember how long it's been since I've wanted the world title so bad I've been very fortunate enough to win 10 but I wanted this one because like I like I was saying last time I I was here um I want to try and reach I've been lucky enough to be famous in Australia and be

32:40famous in Thailand and make my name in Japan but America is like the Last Frontier where where I haven't really sort of excelled or or I want to I wanted that title to say America this is me right and then um and then I lost it's like ah but but I hope I put an entertaining fight enough defitely did you definitely did how many how many titles does uh lion fight have how many divisions uh do they have a 160 uh 160 yes I believe y sing GL holds that may POS oh no it was that other young Tai kid that I forgot his name joat possibly I think I think that's yes he's well he's one of the stars in lion fight I think I personally think that lion fight has some of the best skilled kickboxers in the world today I really enjoy watching those shows I mean they especially they'll they'll bring in some ties that are just murderous and they they the level of Muay Thai that they

33:31show like you get to see this beautiful execution of of the style Jina that just fought on the S main from Holland she's amazing she was and then that her fight against cyborg I I didn't hear about her until she fought Cyborg and then I was really intrigued to see how cyborg would fight against in pure M Tha rules and then um the Dutch girl came and who is this and then it's like whoa she's a beast there there's the difference of pure Muay Tha against pure m may it was just it was a beautiful to watch jorina bar is her name and she's uh tall and long you know Dutch people are among some of the tallest Europeans they the average height is six feet tall they're very big people you know and um yorina is uh like probably one of the most technical women in the world when it comes to Muay Thai and that you got to see that in that fight with cyar I when she push kicked her in the face and

34:21knocked her down I mean she's she's a beast man she's a beast do do you believe it has anything to to do with the the nutrients that are in pancakes pancakes D pancakes don't don't the Dutch people like pancakes and you smok and pig I don't know do I don't know I don't think so I think it probably has to do with marijuana Poss marijuana is making them grow no I think it's just you know probably hearty people you know Hardy it's gets cold as there you know the strong survived it's like Vikings why are they so big like those people in Iceland that always win those strongest man competitions why is that why is all these Iceland guys that keep winning but when you see them you go oh yeah I get it it's a Viking that's a that's a Viking that made it to 2015 with some Viking jeans they they got nothing else to do besides pick up big boulders and put put them 100 meters

35:16down the road but it's interesting what you said though about jorina when she fought a cyborg because I'll tell you what you know I was super impressed with her technique and super impressed with her skill level but I was impressed with Cyborg's Grit and determination because she was getting her ass kicked and she hung in there and she kept trying to win that fight she kept chasing that girl down and and she was getting beat she was getting beat and she was losing and she was technically outmatched you know I think there's a difference in um someone who's really good at hitting things hard and someone who's really good at Muay Tai someone who's really good at setting things up you know and I think that what she can do better than cyborg is set things up technically you know and it's not cyborg can't learn that she certainly can but when you see someone who's used to like

36:02takedowns and submissions and dealing with little gloves and dealing with uh fighting people that are nowhere near her technical level that was without a doubt the best Striker cyborgs ever faced cuz she's been fighting girls that literally there've been assaults you know you've seen a lot like the toughest girl she ever fought was Gina corano yes and you know she that was a good fight it was a good fight up until cyborg started beating her down but the level of Muay Thai like in something like line fight like the girl who's the girl who fought jorina this uh this past weekend she's very good from Czech yes yeah from the Czech Republic she all apologies I forget her name but she was very good as well very tough but that was a pleasure to watch that fight cuz those those girls were very technical you know and what Jina brought to the table with the cyborg fight was

36:50um a lot of front kicks to the face which which I don't think MMA people use um as as as effectively because they can't use it because they catches and the takedowns and also the straight up knees because dinina is so tall what what a normal person would throw to the body she can throw to the face no problem whatsoever so all of a sudden you have those two different elements coming at you and then uh and that's what kept Landing over and over they kept dropping her especially when she was holding the ropes and teing in the corner and and cbor was rushing in to try and knock her out and running straight into those front kicks so yeah she throws it to the body well too she did that in this fight too yeah that she throws that front kick to the body real well and she follow follows it up with nice straight punches and she's so long she keeps you at the end of her punches

37:32yeah I I man I get frustrated when I see that Muay Tha is not more popular in the United States I really do you know and I know I know I'm not the only one because the big thing that everybody always says about MMA which of course I disagree with because I have a background on Jiu-Jitsu but that when it goes to the ground that it's boring I don't think it's boring because I understand what's happening and to me it's fascinating I want to see like a guy like Damen MAA when he takes guys down and strangles him to me that's beautiful that's art I want to I want to see like how he's setting things up you know when he fought Neil Magny in his last fight I couldn't wait to interview him because he made some adjustments on the ground and and took the guys back and the guy was defending in the first uh first round I was like what adjustment did you did you make like how what did and he

38:14was explaining it to me and I could see the technique and the art in his in his words like to him it was a problem to be solved and and that's I see that in Muay Thai too and I think um for um you know everybody that like the the Meatheads that watch MMA I hate when it goes to the ground well why don't you like Muay Thai then why isn't Muay Thai like the biggest most popular combat sport in the world cuz it's all standup and if you watch lion fight man you might see five six Knockouts a night like uh dream killer balanos that kid with his spinning elbow KO in his last fight holy wild stuff man you know it's just I think also like Access TV is one of those weird stations Cuban owns it it's at the end of the dial on Direct TV you can't find it you know I mean I think that it's one of those things where somehow or another there has to be a Consciousness shift where people have

39:09to be able to appreciate it you know and I don't know what that shift is I don't know how to make that shift I don't know what it would be that would cause it to get on some big event on television you know yson cly maybe you and yson kly again again again you trying to get me killed come on you beat him well I was lucky I was very Australian judges I was lucky you are you're too you're too kind uh I think I just needs um exposure because what what I've what I've realized is um like I think I said this last time as well the UFC are so good at making Superstars and then when you for instance um Gloria lion fight uh you can say uh Tyran Spong is fighting GK and Sagi for instance amazing nobody knows who they are besides the hardcore Muay Tha guys but um because MMA is so big uh everyone knows the the cowboy Cerrone everyone knows the joy St Pier so when when they

40:03fight you already know their history you already know this guy is a killer this guy is this guy is going to talk this guy's going to it's yeah it's just but you know what that's only been the case for for 10 years yeah true in 2005 when Stefan boner and Forest Griffin fought on Spike TV nobody knew who the those guys were yep they they were they were fighting so hard that at one point in time I believe the statistics was the statistic was 10 million people were watching that fight which for a cable TV fight was insane and the reason why so many people watched it is they they started watching it it was like three million people or something like that because it was the finals of Spike TV and during the fight the numbers went up like substantially and they believed that people were literally calling people up and going you got these crazy white are beating the out of each other on

40:52Spike TV go turn this on right now and they literally believe that it was through word of mouth during the fight that changed MMA history because during that fight cuz it was so crazy and so wild and those guys just put the pedal to the metal and went nuts for the entire fight and it was they were so evenly matched that after it was over a sport was made I mean a sport was made by one fight that's not an exaggeration because to this day although it was a great performance by Diego Sanchez nobody talks about Diego Sanchez versus Kenny Florian yep Diego Sanchez fought Kenny floran for the 185lb title on that same night and Diego took Kenny down and beat the out of him stopped him but nobody talks about that fight it was the fight between those two guys between Forest Griffin and Stephan Bonner that literally made MMA and from then on the the numbers just started going crazy

41:45like everybody started tuning in and it just picked up and then The Ultimate Fighter took off and then it picked up more and more and more and more and then it became a huge sport but it literally was born out of one event yep like that was we need something like that for Muay Thai we need something like that for kickboxing one big thing where people go holy and if that can happen I think and you also need a promoter like Dana White and you know owners like the fertitas you need some some powerful organization that's got balls and money and really gets behind it and then you need a lot of luck yes well that's it I don't know how K up because um they had everything they had theu they had the money they had the TV they had the the slow motions they had the highlights they had the missing fingers they had the dudes with the bodysuits the body tattoos yeah I don't know man

42:42they they um they were gigantic in Japan since they've disappeared it's like where do we go where does the kickboxing go if I'm a young kid and I'm watching the TV do I UFC is the only only way to go hey do you want to be a MTI fighter why M I can I can be on a on a cereal box or now it's gone so far that you can you can be a a legitimate um household name whereas in Muay Thai oh you might get a few little medals or trophies to put on your your pool room but yeah there's no there's no no one driving Mercedes-Benz as a m fter there's no there's not even $100,000 Payday for a m guy if if if you get 10 grand you're like yeah 10 grand yeah but I still got to go to work Monday yeah so and for women it's even crazier I mean think about the small group of talent the depth of talent in women's MMA like there's a perfect example the UFC 115 pound strawweight champion Yan and J is a Muay Thai

43:45Champion six-time World Muay Thai champion and she's just murdering chicks just murdering them she's nasty she's business she is so nasty but other than her you know you have a bunch of people in her division that are really honestly there's a few with some experience that are getting better but they're not World Championship level yes you know they're just and if you're a girl who wants to make it in fighting and you look at the pool of talent that's in the UFC right now in the women's division especially 115 pound division you're going to be compelled to try to make it there yep at 135 you get that murderer Ronda Rousey flipping on their heads and snap arms that's a tough one because she's so Advanced you know she's so she's so Advanced that she's just smashing everybody they put in front of her so that's a that's a tough one because you would have to learn how to

44:39Grapple at a very high level to even be able to hang in there with her and now her her striking is getting way better too so it becomes problematic but what is the one thing that no one's ever done to Ronda Rousey KCK the out of her legs stri strike keep her away keep her away stuff the take down and kick the out of her legs we have haven't seen that at all like at all we've seen no how much would you like to see a world championship level mu thae fighter like yan yan J Who's fighting at 1 a natural 135 who fights Ronda Rousey someone who comes out there and you see this like super highlevel striking game with good takedown defense and sprawls now you got to fight now you got some crazy happening that's what we supposed to expect with K zagano that was supposed to happen in February yeah but Kat Zano's not world class then theill the the bill went she ran in

45:30she dive into her arms okay what did you she's going to be laying in bed for a very long time going what did I do well cat andano also you have to think has never fought in that stage before that stage itself is just such a mind like the you're standing in that octagon the bright lights the cameras are on you and you're like you know I mean that's probably half the reason why she made that mad crazy bum rush across the octagon and just want to attack her yeah yeah um I heard the same thing from farz when I was training with George he says people don't understand that they they fight in the prelims and then you because George has done it so many times he's so used to the pressure but then you get the guys that are fighting George and then all of a sudden it's five FS you're you're in the posters you're doing all the all the media and then the the you have to walk out in

46:22front of that 25,000 people or or whatever them gym or or how about when he fought in Toronto Toronto 60 60,000 and you're the bad guy you're yeah in Canada and then uh yeah the pressure just breaks them before they even walk well breaks them probably weeks in advance and then and then the day comes you think you can handle it and the day comes and then you just you you implode on the inside or not or you're like Jon Jones you fight Shogun in your first world title fight you're 24 years old and you beat his ass you stop him and everybody goes holy look at this guy I mean I think John was 23 actually now that I think about it he was the youngest ever UFC champion and I believe that Josh Barnett won the UFC heavyweight title when he was 24 so I think I might be off by this but I think John was 23 but that's that's a special guy you know John just a special

47:15competitor and I think that for someone like Kat zingano that media pressure is just as much pressure having all those people ask you what's it like what's it going to be like when you get in there how you going to win who's how you going to beat bronda what are you going to do about her arm bars you know I mean think about that what are you going to do about her armar oh I'm not worried about that 15 seconds in your armar the only question the only question the only question yeah and then you get arred times that by 10,000 times over a period of of of of three months prep yeah it's a mind yeah driv insane but I think someone like Yanna who is a a world champion already she's so used to competing at an incredibly high level and then she had to get like her bearings in the UFC she had that uh one really tough fight with clauda gadea where it was neck and neck very very

48:03close fight and then from then on she's gone to just Dominate and I think that a woman like that like if you could find someone like that at 135 it would be very interesting because although Ronda is getting better at striking you very rarely if ever see her throw kicks it's very rare yes and for someone who's a good Moy TIE fighter man that is and also R has notoriously has had problems with her knees you know I think you have to find someone that can fight going backwards as well because soon as that Bell Wings run to charges across the cage and then anyone that's silly enough to stand in front of it and think they can strike standing on the spot they they're going to get taken down straight away so you're going to have to you going have to be mobile otherwise she's going to grab you and flip you upside down on your head and inside out and then you're also going to have to be

48:46world class as an athlete and I think that she is but I don't think anybody she's ever fought is except maybe Sarah um you could say well who is um um not Alexis Davis but uh Sarah McMahon who's was that her name the the Olympic gold medal the Olympic silver medalist in wrestling yeah she was obviously an excellent wrestler you know so you you've got that she was obviously an excellent wrestler but as an MMA fighter she just there's like some holes in her game you know and she's she's not very good off of her back either she gets put on her back and she doesn't do so well but I think Rhonda's she's a winner overall all like that's like the most important thing like that person like the Jon Jones mentality the person who just knows how to win and is not going to get rattled by the pressures not going to get rattled by all the hype and all the talk is going to be

49:39able to go in there and perform at their at their maximum level Rhonda obviously can do that you know and she even said recently she said The more up and crazy her life is more up and crazy things are the better she fights hey which is just nuts her last fight with um Beth um that that right hand you landed you don't you've never seen another girl knock out another girl with a single punch like that that was insane not an MMA at least the only time I've ever seen that in um in kickboxing well you know what Holly Holm has knock some is dead with head kicks head kicks but but but a single r hand that was that was nasty it wasn't like she just a flash knockdown either she was she was out oh she was dead she was dead she was hurt already and then you know she tagged her was up is she tagged her with the right hand then as she's going down Ronda was already

50:30throwing the left y you know and the left landed too as she was her body was already given out yes that was nasty that that was a wakeup call to a lot of people that she's like learning how to strike too but all with all due respect bch COA is a brawler like her technique is it's not that good she throws like kind of arm punches and she's like physically like Bulldog is you know she's tough and strong but she's not you know she's not moving like like y j you know what I'm saying like she's not moving like an elite Striker she's throwing barrages of punches and the pressure for her must have been off the charts in Brazil fighting Ronda Rousey talking so much and then she up and talked about ronda's Dad and suicide and all that and oh and the Brazilians kind of turned on her for that yeah and then at the weigh-ins the Brazilians were cheering Ronda which never happens

51:27like that's that's how much she's transcended she can go to Brazil and then the Brazilians will cheer her I've never seen that in my life wait till she eats Australia she's um she's she's she's a global phenomenon she's amazing I think once once she hits Australia I think the man of support she's going to get there is going to be off the CHS as well yeah that's going to be uh then I just wish Holly had more fights you know in the UFC I was going to ask her on the on the side what do you think about that fight and I think um a little bit early for poor Holly but she she she's amazing boxer she's to to win so many world titles and boxing but and then that that head Kick's a killer too but well it's not that I don't think that Holly is capable what I you know one of those things I said is like I don't I don't think that's a smart fight because I want to see her fight some more people I

52:10want to see her fight Mesa Tate I want to see her fight you know uh fill in the blank Amanda nunz I want to see her fight some tough girls and put on a show and then you know have everybody like clamor for it yeah I I believe you've mentioned Amanda before she's she's she's a terror she but she knocked out Sarah McMahon in her last fight she was awesome she's a beast dude yeah yeah and and you can tell she wants it to she's not she's not in there to be a statistic she wants that title built bad it is Sarah McMahon right am I saying that make sure I'm right I'm almost positive I am but for one for whatever reason I see her face in front of me and for whatever reason I Sarah seems like I up I have too many names in my head man I really do this yeah it is right thank you um uh but I think Holly is physically very capable without a doubt and technically very capable

52:59without a doubt should be the best Striker ronda's ever faced no no question about it it's whether or not she can keep the fight standing she can keep Ronda offer whether she could deal with the pressure when she goes out there and there's 70,000 people insane that's 10,000 more than we've ever done before so and it's already almost sold out I think it's crazy from fighting main events in Albuquerque to come to to come into Australia and fighting in front of their biggest football stadium in Melbourne and to look across the octagon that blonde demon coming out to that Joan Jet song Jesus Christ I don't think I've ever heard anyone call her the the blonde demon before she's a demon dude there's no no question about it when when you're locked in that thing with her and she goes after those girls that's a demon you know so so after we did the the podcast in February um I was

53:45lucky enough to go to the UFC here in the stable Center and then uh we went to the weigh-in and it was very cool and then uh so so Edmund and Ronda were walking down the the driveway to come into the hotel and as as a fanboy I had my my iPhone I was like oh should I go ask for a photo should I ask for a photo a it why not and then and then then I I I shimmed over like a little scared little boy and said ah excuse me R if I get a picture and she goes oh sorry no photos until after the fight and then um Edmund had his arm around her and and he's looked at me and then he stopped her and he goes hey this is the guy this is the guy and she's looked at Edmund is going oh so this is the guy and goes this is the guy so he's pushed her into my arms and said oh you got to get a photo with him this this is the guy well edmit knows who you are for sure yeah he was um he was amazing so then we took a

54:37photo and we uh she was she's amazing she's such a cool person um I was so scared I was so star strike and then um she was just normal and then uh and then afterwards I I come down and got some a couple of drinks at the hotel bar there and Edmund was there and he made his way over to to come and have a chat to me and then we just talked like um we long lost friends he was he was such a gentleman as well he was such a nice guy um yeah he people get a they have a for whatever reason they get there's a misconception about what he's like you know I think part of it is the Armenian thing you know Armenians are just so they're so masculine you know and they they have this certain way about them that a lot of people they misread that you know they just uh they're fun people man they're they're very proud very fun people I really I'm a fan of Armenians I really like them

55:26cuz I seen The Ultimate Fighter too so I was expecting a certain sort of presence but then when it was just he's a gentleman he's a he's he's awesome he was so coolent and then um and then we just started talking about Muay Thai and fighting and then um actually my wife used to fight on the same cards as him back in the day when he was competing so um yeah we where did he compete where did you ever see him compete uh no they fought on the same cards here in Cali in buen Park in Buena Park bu park that's when know you're fighting him just kidding blena Park um he's uh he's done some great things with other Fighters too like he's really improved Travis Brown's hands y you know he's done some real good work with him like you saw um in Travis Brown's fight against Brenda Shaw you saw some sharp combinations you know um but then again he got knocked out by rovski in the fight afterwards

56:19but that was just great chaos but I'd heard that like in the gym it's an interesting dynamic between Fighters like sometimes fights like when you look at guys on paper like Travis was ranked number three in the world and orlovski wasn't you know orlovski was a a guy that everybody thought was at the end of his you know his time but Arlovski has been a world class Striker for a long time arosi has been a heavyweight champion in the UFC had a nasty power in his punches you know nasty right hand and in the gym there's no pressure in the gym he could be himself and in the gym he had been used to bullying Travis around apparently he had been beating Travis up when they had had sparring sessions that was what the word was so when they'd gotten into the Octagon together like for everybody else it was like man Harlow's got a tough fight but for him he like I Spa this guy 100 times I'm

57:11going to go after him and so they went after each other and one point Travis had him down man had him down and hurt bad and Arlovski came back from that and knocked him out and like that was one of the craziest rounds in heavyweight history yeah that was mad Madness that was so cool wild wild round and then alosi goes and fights a Mia and I was expecting the same alosi the rock up and same I was expecting the same expecting the same fireworks and unfortunately was it was a little bit of um not not quite the same enthusiasm in in that one I think in that fight I think one of the things that happens in really high pressure fights and I think this correlates with what we were talking earlier about pressure and about like you you know we were talking about guys that put too much pressure on themselves from talking and get too much emot Ally wrapped up in it when a

57:58fight is a fight where they say the winner is going to be the number one Contender and will next fight for the title those fights suck at least 50% of the time because at least 50% of the time everybody locks up and nobody wants to do anything stupid because a win virtually guarantees you a shot at the title but but the fight wasn't good because neither guy pulled the trigger and it was like it was very lackluster it's like both guys were like hesitant and and even ARL even though he won the fight when I was interviewing him he wasn't happy yeah he was he was devastated he just crazy he won he won he he thought he was going to have the next shot of the title but then you know then the fight was bad so that's one of the weird things about the UFC that people don't like is that there isn't any like clear structure like when Mesa Tate won she was virtually guaranteed shot at the title beat

58:48Jessica ey you got a shot at the title she beats Jess ey's like listen surprise it's not you're not ready for that like what so she's she's actually she made some interview recently where she said that she should probably think about what she's going to do when she retires and she should probably at least consider that and I was like whoa she's like thinking about retiring that's an interesting thing when you look at the number one person in the division which is clearly Ronda who's made I think she made like $6 Million last year or $7 million something crazy like that and that's in fighting forget about her all these ads she's doing she's in a Million different commercials I mean she's probably made that much on top of that with just ads and endorsements and movies she's done two big movies she's making truckloads of money right and then there's Mesa Tate who's the number two

59:40girl in the division arguably I mean even though she's lost to Rhonda three times she's the number two girl in the division right yes and how much you think she makes I mean is it it's a fraction a small it's not like she's not hot she's hot as right she got a beautiful body great ass uh sorry I said that sorry Misha I'll due respect she's a great fighter too she's very tough I believe there's photos of you at the Wayne possibly I don't know if it was her I think it was looking at Rhonda's ass yeah I've looked at a few asses the he head bored there's nothing to do I'm just standing there they're in their underwear feet away from me not being a creep she doing my job um but you know Misha probably makes a very very small fraction of what Ronda makes and she's Elite she's an outstanding fighter she's tough as man and you know and people love her it's weird yeah oh I believe she's into

60:38the movies now as well her Cyborg and Holly did that last one on her Instagram and Facebook yeah but who's making that movie who's going to see that movie and what is that movie that movie some 3:00 a.m. Cinemax zombie movie with kicking zombies heads off or something you know it's like people when people tell me oh he's doing movies now I'm like look I know a lot of people doing movies like what kind of movie you know are they doing a BJ P did a couple movies and um yeah well even Gina Coran's done like she's done some big movies and she did that uh that one movie what was that movie that she was a star Haywire nobody saw it and then because nobody saw it nobody gave a about it it faded away and then you don't hear about her as a movie star anymore I me she was she was that close that close to being this runaway trained movie star and there's Fast and the

61:28Furious and there's all know Fast and the Furious was she Ronda was in that Rhonda was in one of those right and then also uh Deadpool I think that one's coming out she's got a major part as hopefully that might Skyrocket a career oh that the ads for the or the uh previews for Deadpool look bad out it's a tough my point is it's a tough racket the movie business is a tough racket yeah yeah yeah I remember uh Frank Shamrock saying to me once like he's he said he was going to get into acting he's I'm going to take over the world of acting same way I took over the world of I'm like good luck with that dude you can't even control that it's not like you can run Hills better than anybody and kick people's asses that you're when you're fighting you can be undeniable you know you're fighting they they lock you in that octagon or you hop over the ropes into that ring and when the

62:12referee says fight there's nothing that can save that guy you know you storm after him and knock him out and you're the King but in the world of acting my God there's so many hoops and ladders and so much doesn't matter if you're the best coming from you you know exactly what's going on you you sort of and I've done some acting but I've been very lucky to be like on the outside of it all looking in you know because I was always a stand-up comic I always had like that as my real career and then this acting thing was something I did when they offered me money to do it it's not something I really chased after that much and so when I watched other people that were chasing after it I got to see like the psychological aspect of it you see people kissing people's asses cuz you want everybody to like you cuz you want to get cast in these mov movies and you got to make friends with the right

62:58Social Circles you got to be on the right red carpets you got to support the right causes you have to have the right political affiliations it's it's a mess man it's a mess you can't say anything controversial can't can't do anything too up you know there's like there's certain things you can get away with as an athlete you could never get away with as an actor because if you did they would just write unless you're like some Johnny Depp style huge undeniable movie star you can get away with a lot of but that's just you become undeniable you have so much fan base yeah he's already he's already there so he can do what he wants now so doesn't matter but even like Tom Cruz Tom Cruz up and he started uh he did a bunch of wacky interviews where he was talking about Brook Shields and Scientology anpress yeah and anti-depressants and but dude his movie ticket sales dropped after

63:47that and it took a while for them to rebound took a couple of years from the rebound didn't didn't help things at all no that's whacky dude but it's it's again it's that weird world of acting and you know when Frank was telling me he was going to take over that world I'm like Jesus I mean not doubting you but good luck it's a different it's not the same world it's not like I'm going to take over the world of being a marathon runner well no one can stop you the everybody's at the starting line ready go you get an equal shot you running the same road yeah yeah you're not running the same road when you're acting man anybody ever talk to you about doing some karate movies kicking some John Wayne style kicks in movies we dabbled a fraction but only only for free but not only just like shorts for the YouTube but nothing nothing for fun just fun yeah yeah Australian stuff or American stuff uh

64:39after I did the documentary with the bus of Venom we we we played around a little bit and then we went to Thailand and then um I was lucky enough to work with some Ty stuntman and uh they' work with Tony jar and it was amazing that guy's incredible so these St that I got to work with um you you throw an inch punch an inch past their face and they literally throw themselves back 10t onto concrete onto their onto their back and you think that's and then and then they lay their dead they lay their dead for 3 seconds open their eyes okay do it again this time we're going to cut in a bit shorter and then they throw themselves again and again and again got really know how to fall man this is you don't have to do nothing they sell it they make it look amazing it's like this I mean the guys who fall you they got to really know how to fall and not hurt themselves that's Yeah a different

65:24different League it's like yeah I'd rather punch someone in the face it's a lot easier I'd rather make my money through violence instead of pretending to be violent and the documentary that you were talking about if people didn't understand you through your thick Aussie accent it's blessed with Venom yes and uh it's a great documentary and it details your life and learning Muay Thai and moving to Thailand and living there and fighting there and it's really cool documentary man than to you uh so many people were messaging me saying jogan sent me here on the on the YouTube comments saying um thank you very much for the for Joe Rogan uh great documentary so it's it's it's uh I was saying before like when it got released in Australia it was lucky enough to be open in cinemas so we had Cinema release and then yeah it just went nowhere so it's on YouTube now so if you want to

66:10have a look a bit a bit not only about uh my career but also about Thai culture so about Ani going to Thailand and learning the Thai customs and culture and learning how to speak thae and eating on the floor and sleep sleeping on the um wooden floor and training seven hours a day it's pretty and then fighting The Killers too I wasn't just going in there and making up enough numbers I was lucky enough to start at the bottom and then work my way up to winning um two World totals in Bangkok so it's it's a it's a happy ending yeah it's a a fascinating documentary too because like culturally it's such a it's such a unique thing for someone to do to immerse themselves in the world of the Thai and of these muay thai fighters and live like they live and train like they live and a guy coming from a Australia and moving there and doing that it's like a it's it's it's always to me

66:59amazing to watch someone just enter into a world that's so completely different than theirs and you you barely had a grasp at all of the language and you know you're training with these guys that have been essentially preparing for fights the way they have the way they did it with you for hundreds and hundreds of years before you were ever born yeah it's um and then what happened was so say I've moved into this camp and there's about 10 10 Fighters there and then uh one night I've had my fight I've won I've gone to patio with all the westerners hang out uh for a week's holiday and I've come back and all the other kids had run away so then there was only me and the Superstar so now that I was given them 50% of my prize money after every fight so now I was in the Camp's best interest to try and make me as as good as I could as fast as I could so I could win more fights to make

67:50more prize money so they get 50% more income so the only way they could the only way they could survive is for me to become the best that I could so they could get more money if that makes sense yeah it does that's what a fous roll of the dice for you yeah so I was throwing under the not under the bus but into theer looking back looking back it was like the biggest blessing that could happen because if there was 50 people there I would have been stuck in a bag by myself but because it was only me and the Superstar uh and then the Superstar sanoi the he had no one his name uh his fight name was the deadly kisser the deadly kisser dead kisser so why is that because there's so much gambling in Thailand so if he thought he was beating his opponent at the end of the round he'd give him a kiss on the cheek and that would show all the punters okay I got this so they' all bet on him so

68:34that'll bet him so if you're being kissed by him it means he's kick your ass oh no so yeah the deadly kiss did the opponents know this nickname was the deadly kisser if they if they gave yeah because after the round that Ding he'd walk up and just give you a kiss on the cheek and they were like what the man you're not kicking my ass fu did people try to take away they try to move away from the kiss dick he he fought dicka three times like no get away from me get those filthy lips away from so um how did the fights go with him and DEA uh it was two1 um DEA DEA won the last one um San won the first two the first one was Japan the second one was lini the third one was in Holland uh was very very close but um yeah Deca was uh s was about 36 37 it's like me vers Cosmo now Zang was a little bit older Deca was still in his prime so um he finally got one in his home

69:24country that was live on Tai Tai TV and Dutch TV so again making Deca the The Legend that is and how old was DEA at the time uh possibly about 34 35 um but yeah so that was towards the end of his run too right it he had a heart attack he was only like 42 or 43 right 44 44 in a park that's what the man yeah um how crazy he was riding his bike riding he's bikeing at Dutch Park and then um yeah he has a memorial there where they come later heaps a was and I think um they they've spray painted the the little tunnel that is's with a big um Memorial of De Decker and it's it's um it's very yeah what a crazy way to go for a world class athlete World Championship kickboxer riding a bike yeah and at a relatively young age yeah he was the king he came he came to Australia and he hung out with me at my gym cuz uh he was fighting a friend of M he was fighting uh he had a he was

70:19training a guy that was fighting fighting Nathan so they needed someone to train for the week to prepare so I was lucky enough they had the promoter rang me said do you mind if ROM comes and trains at your gym for a week it's like oh yes so um yeah I hung out with him morning and night and the just the dude he was just an animal uh and so many story it's like me and you I could just sit here and just listen to you all day like a little school boy just asking stories about what's about this fight what about that fight do you have any injuries and then you he just go on he just it yeah it was um just a little boy just listening to Greatness yeah so it was it was um it was really cool he gave me a pair of shorts that I have up in my gym that I'm so proud of that he's fought multiple times in uh but yeah just um the wars he's uh Muhammad Ali of moto pretty much

71:08he was the first the first one to put it on the map the to say look um there is a possibility for white people to beat tires at their own sport in Thailand at the big stadiums and not not only win but knock them out in devastating fashion his style was so aggressive too God it was so exciting to watch he's one of my alltime favorites and then Rob Cayman who was different because Rob was a bigger guy and uh but very technical God he has such a system I I had the honor of training with him quite a bit ni and um he's so technical man his system he has such a system for for uh Muay Thai you know for kickboxing for putting combinations together and you know and placement and movement and he's a interesting guy Rob Cayman man very interesting guy it was hard for him to get the same accolades as Raymond because Raymond was fighting the ties at their most craziest weight at the 63s

71:59the 61 the 63s so whereas whereas um you say that you mean kilos which is like what is that like 135 140 or something like that 135 13ish and then uh where whereas Rob was a little bit bigger and his fighting tires a little bit smaller so he was knocking him out but at the same time he should have been knocking him out because he he's a big and then when you're fighting Wester versus Wester you're not going to get the same worldwide sort of whereas Raymond was he was fighting like the pure at their at their weight and um not just beating them but knocking them out so and then when the when the tires are paying attention and the country is stopping to watch a Westerner come to their country to to to knock out their their best then you know you've made it yeah he was a real phenomenon and for and that's one of those things that for people that don't know the the sport

72:46aren't aware of it like you can go right now to YouTube and and go on a journey through the world of of one of the greatest combat sport ath ever and Ramon Deckers has so many fights on YouTube you can go and watch them and you'll understand what we're talking about when you just watch to that guy just slam those kicks in attack with a barrage of beautiful punches he was a monster a monster his pressure too he'd push guys into the corner onto the ropes and then it wouldn't matter if he got hit 14 times in the way in he he just give me one just give me one bang bang bang and then boom and then just knock him out unconscious his style it was so hard it was such a hard Style he he did a seminar at my gym there was um he said just have three or four of us we'll just keep it tiny we'll just keep it really small that's what he wanted three or four person yeah yeah he didn't want he

73:34didn't want the big 100 people he just said let's keep it six people Max wow no he said let's keep it an odd number so I can join in so and then he took a turns of going one by one with us and then uh he he'd say okay put your hands up I'm going to demonstrate a demonstration and he go one two hook Le kick and then you're thinking he's going to tap and that's it's like boom boom boom and then chop and then your eyes would go and what the hell was that and then so you hit your heart he sort of look at me as if it was he was shocked that I he hit me so hard my reaction he goes what I said oh that was crazy and he goes oh and in Holland this is normal this is what we do because on the ring there's no surprises so if we train like this on the ring there's there's and I'm just looking at him going dude there is no way in hell I'd like to train with like this for for especially every day for a

74:24couple hours every single day that'd be um detrimental to to my health well ultimately is do you think that that's part of what broke him down like as he got older like he was devastated like physically by the time he was done his ankles were gone yeah possibly possibly and I think he got to the stage where his body was so destroyed where he can only do pads he couldn't even um I don't think he could Spa I remember him telling us at lunch he said he I'll just do pads pads pads and then was and because he was fighting so regularly he didn't have to SP because he was fighting possibly every two weeks or so so yeah he was um yeah that's the Eternal debate because like in in MMA as well Joe Duffy was supposed to be fighting Dustin porier this past weekend in Ireland in a huge card in Dublin sold out in like an hour just Irish love fights right and Joe Duffy's the last

75:14guy to beat Conor McGregor and he's an Irishman so everybody's excited to see him the Saturday before the fight a week before the fight he gets a concussion hey yeah sparring hard baring hard going after it you know and um they pull out of the fight so he pulls out of the fight the week off tried to you know they they gave him some examinations and the doctor looked at him and said listen man you you got up like you need a lot of time off you need a few months off you can't fight yeah can't count back from 10 Apple orange lemon so when you that's the Eternal debate do you do you Spar like the Dutch do you go crazy like Melvin man H and Mike's gym you know you just attack attack attack and just take your lumps and deal with it and just and then when you fight you'll fight like that because you fight like that all the time or do you take a more intelligent approach like many fighters

76:10do like the ties do where they Spar and they don't Spar hard at all right well the ties don't even when I first got there there was no shin pads or um yeah it was no it was just it and then you could almost wear bag Ms and it was just tap tap tap tap and then it's just you're just working on movement no Shin pad it be Shin on Shin it' still be fast and then you pull out that like karate like Point karate style but it was toe boxing and then um you still know if you got God or got God or not so if the shin land across your ribs it' be pulled it' be just a tap it's like damn it and then um and then you you spy with the kids that were 10 years old and saying do want know shin pads and then no one got hurt and then after 3 hours you're still smiling you're still joking but you've learned so much you've learned that you just got your ice kicked by 10-year-old

76:53without getting um beat up if that Mak sense when we box when we box we Spire about 80 90% but when we when we when we kick and play and and and clinch uh it's a bit more control the clinch is harder I suppose but um longevity because you can do that in the clinch the same like Jiu-Jitsu you can go full blast yes and you don't have to worry about it cuz you're not striking each other yeah I've had um 122 fights now and I'm that's crazy I'm I'm sweet and then I've had listen to you you're talking you're fine you know there's no there's no dementia there's no slurring words have 100 22 boxing fights yeah Jesus Christ um yeah so and then you you hear about MMA guys and then if they have more than 30 fights it's a big it's a big deal because uh but yeah so but then Jeremy Horn had over 100 fights but very intelligent fought real smart very bright guy very technical didn't he not

77:44a like an athletic powerful super you know freak athlete everything he had to do his proper technique and intelligence and to this day over 100 fights Jeremy Horn like you would never know it talking to him or looking at him you know he looks great talks great yeah majority of the tires have had two 250 fights and and then um yeah it's just normal it's 250 fights out is crazy we had a 10-year-old kid in our camp that had 100 fights as a 10-year-old he he'd fight Monday Tuesday rest Wednesday fight Thursday Saturday possibly rest Sunday and then every time he fight he was making 500 B 500 B so then his parents didn't have to work almost he was making enough money as a junior fighting four times a week five times a week where um he could support the family just as as a as a 10-year-old wow so so yeah so for them over there it's a as a 10y old if you 25 kilos too

78:40you're not whacking with 100% power either you're scoring you're playing the game you're it's not until you get into your your 13s 14s and then you start using a bit more force and you starting to get more damage on The Shins and a bit more um you got to be a bit more wary of the punching power but as a as a Junior from say 7 till 10 you can definitely get away with fighting three four five times a week no problem well some people say that that's the best way to teach kids too because they learn before they can hurt each other yes and you you learn like how to move properly and your body develops like that you know your body develops like there's people that are um that started out like they had like a martial arts background when they were young and then they started putting on weight like muscle weight but they're still like super flexible and it's because their body

79:24sort of developed throwing kicks and their body developed doing those motions and if you can learn like there's a lot of people that believe that as as a boxer that if you don't start when you're young you'll never achieve like a Floyd Mayweather level or Roy Jones Jr level like it's not possible they say it's not like your body has to develop doing that yeah uh in Australia there's a big controversy right now because the athletic commission and the governments they're they're all talking they're talking um they don't want Juniors to compete in any former combat sport whatsoever until the age of 18 which I which I think is ludicrous because if that happens you've got the danger the rest of the world that have already excelled to a certain level and if we don't start competing until 18 we're already behind the eight ball we we're so far behind that but that's so

80:11ignorant that's ignorant on their part that's people don't understand Combat Sports because that's the time to learn yes yes and then and then it's also you're not learning it it's not about the fight it's about the culture it's about the lifestyle it's about living healthy and training and training the body and getting flexible and it's about getting over the fear of getting in competition as well it's about experiencing what young people are terrified of getting your ass kicked and um and experiencing it in the gym right my daughter was lucky enough to start fighting at the age of eight and that's hilarious how many people say that my daughter was lucky enough to start fighting at the age of eight and then uh from the I remember she walked in as a as a little baby girl and I was I was so petrified as a father but then she walked out like a woman woman she walked

80:55out as a warrior as 8-year-old Warrior and then ever since she's had this m passion for the fighting she loves collecting trophies she loves making the um magazines and and doing interviews and uh it it it makes you become a better person I believe I think it it makes you evolve um evolve is the right word yes sure yeah yeah it it definitely um people that never thought would never understand what it's like to to have that Bond against someone to compete for a couple minutes and then after that no matter what happens I've always with 122 people I can say um I'm not just a friend but I I've I've shared a moment in time where me and you we've we've went into a different dimension for that that time that we fought each other does that make sense does that ites you know what I mean there's nothing that can erase that memory of me and you um standing Toe to

81:48Toe and exchanging blows so yeah I think yeah I I this is why I love the sport so much because have such a deep passion for it well when I was watching that Cosmo Alexander fight I was actually thinking that I was like these guys are they sharing a crazy because I was also thinking like you're 39 years old and I don't know how much longer you can compete at this Elite world class level you know you're fighting in a world championship fight and I'm watching this I'm like man this is a this is an intense moment that these two guys are sharing and afterwards you guys are smiling and hugging each other and I was like wow those guys really did just share a very very intense experience and a very intense moment that very few people people will ever understand yeah it's um yeah such a such and then to to erase that from um childhood memories like for young kids not to have that

82:32experience I I think that's um so sad because um what's better especially coming from myself if to go to school on fighting on Saturday in a tournament and go to school on Monday and telling the boys um oh yeah I got a gold medal for whatever competition they it be Judo jiujitsu taond karate it doesn't matter if it's m it could be anything it's um or even so football you you've you've gone out in the weekend and and you've excelled at that um sport that you've uh um put your life into so and the boys come over to your house they have a sleepover you got four or five travies up on the Shelf nothing can make you more proud than to be and there from my fighting days so I think it also teaches you how to overcome very scary moments and very difficult moments and I think when you don't overcome difficult moments you always have that fear like how how would I do Under Pressure what

83:28would happen to me under pre I mean how would I do when the chips are down when I'm nervous I mean and people who compete they have the experience of doing that and I think that's where character is built character is built through adversity and I think to deny young kids the opportunity that especially out of ignorance because if they don't they don't understand that young kids don't get hurt the way adults do and you're fighting like you know you see a guy like uh Goan saki fighting Tyrone SP those are big boys big heavy throwing guys that are throwing bombs there's a big difference between that and two six-year-olds that are fighting Muay Thai with headgear on and big gloves and and and shin pads in an amateur fight what those kids are doing is they're learning how to do something that's very difficult yes and that overcoming that that moment the same the

84:16same fear but with a protection so it's almost the same I like what you said on uh I have I shared one of your quotations on my Instagram they they absolutely killed it about um people that have never been in a street fight um it's that same thing where your people that are you always oh I'm I'm just that guy pisses he's pissing me off if I'm just going to knock him out it's like no you're not yeah no you're not you have no idea if that guy hit you back you know how much is going to hurt well what I said was that I don't understand how people who have never had any martial arts experience at all are willing to fight yes like they're crazy like they're fighting on I've seen people fight on the streets that you could tell when they're fighting that they have no fighting experience at all they don't know anything and yet they're willing to take a chance and fight some

85:00guy they don't even know and they're going to somehow another they think they're going to kick this guy's ass like you don't even know you don't know anything they just just flailing I've seen it happen it's it's terrifying I don't understand it I don't know how people are willing to do that I'm so mad right now I'm just going to walk over there I'm just going to knock him out it's like it's not that it's not that it's not that easy and then and then once that confrontation starts if you hit that person and then you don't knock him out you're just going to piss him off or you break your hand you know I mean how many times have people done that throw a punch and hit a guy in the forehead and just smash your hand open or they they pull out they break a bottle or they pull something out of their pocket yeah and then it gets it's next level it's life or death

85:40now great and you don't know what how to fight at all and you're in a life or death situation where you just hope this guy doesn't kill you you know let's hope somebody that rescues you beforehand it's terrifying you know especially because the diff there's a there's a big difference and I think that's where a lot of people get confused when it comes to martial arts and they equate it with violence the the the the the competition of a fight or of a an event like a martial arts event is is a very very different thing because you're preparing for a skill contest and the skill contest may be dangerous and there's a there's possibly violent endings to these things but it's not violence in the sense of you're not like trying to go out and find someone and make them your victim what you're doing is you're trying to compete you're competing and in doing so you you learn something about yourself

86:30and you develop a confidence that for someone who's never competed like that you never totally understand yes a violent game of chess yeah and even more crazy than chess especially MMA because there's so many more there's so many moves there's so much going on there like if you if you're playing chess you have so much time to think about it unless you're playing that speed chess where you're hitting the clock but when when you're playing chess and you're overlooking this board I mean not taking anything away from chess cuz chess is a fascinating game and there's so much complexity to it and there's so many different moves so many different possible combinations but believe it or not there are more possible combinations in fighting there's more possible combinations the outcome is more terrifying more is at stake your physical health is at stake you're

87:19gambling your health on discipline you have to get up in the morning you have to overcome your body being tired and sore and you got to get up when you don't want to when that warm bed is calling you you got to put on your running shoes and you got to go do your road work and you got to do your strength and conditioning and you got to spar when you don't want to spar and your body's starting to get run down and you got to make sure you get the right amount of sleep you got to make sure you get the right amount of nutrition there's all these variables emotions the the physical fear the fear of your own demise not the nerves of a I'm sure chess players get nervous before they have a match but do you think they get nervous the way a fighter gets nervous I don't think it's possible they don't have to go in the hospital after then and then there's no fear oh am I going

88:03to get knocked out am I going to get cut um uh when I compete uh I try to tell people that are coming up through the sport oh what's it like to have your first fight it's it's like we was saying before once that Bell Rings everything goes numb and you don't have time to think so you have to take yourself everything's on that muscle memory so so many times i' I've been punched at or kicked at or an elbow shown and and and I've blocked it with a a quarter of a second ago and it's and I'm thinking in my head if that had a hit me flush I would have been knocked out but um somehow or rather my body knows the blocking time the countering time and then I don't hear anything I don't see anything besides my opponent uh I can't yeah I'm just in this different world and then the end of the end of the the fight the Bell Rings thing and all of a sudden it seems the world opens back up

88:50again I'm back on the chair I can hear voices again uh and and then I can't remember the fight the fight is just a blur um it's not till people say hey do you remember this or that or till you watch the replay on the on the on the phone or the internet or the replay but um it's yeah you just into a different realm completely it's um such a unique experience to to to turn off your brain and just rely on um pure Instinct it's a yeah it's a yeah again that's why I love it I love it so much well it's got to be an intensity that no one else could ever understand and that's probably a bond that you share with those people that you get into the ring with like Cosmo Alexander that the average person would just never be able to understand what you guys have gone through yeah and then the the idea you've been cut and you can the one ey blurry from the blood and you

89:40and you don't want to wipe it because that's a tell from your opponent that the blood's starting to annoy you so you got to try and stay there with one eye all red and bloody and yucky and you can feel the stickiness in your eye uh and you can feel the pain you can feel your eye throbbing and then you you got to turn off uh it's such a you got to take yourself such in the you got to go so much soul searching to to keep focused on on being violent and trying to win no matter how even though you're losing you know that you have to try and come back and still still knock this guy out and make adjustments and make adjustments and just and turn the pain off yet still trying to focus on how am I going to this what I'm doing is not working so I have to try and up the Annie and try something else and that might get me in more danger again where I might get even

90:24more cut or more or more beat up or another knee to the face so do you ever work with a hypnotist or psychologist or sports psychologist or anything like that uh I I I know uh Vinnie shanin I'm good friends with Vinnie but I I never work with anyone I know try it with Vinnie Vinnie's I didn't I I was I was wondering I was like what is this hypnosis and Vinnie put me under yeah Vinnie but I I knew I was under but I was like wao this is a strange State he puts you in he's a very interesting cat Vinnie's Vinnie's cool he came out to Australia with a friend of my Andy hon and then um they were they hang out for a week and we were good buddies but uh and then in Australia as well there's a lot of Mind coaches as well that I've noticed that are starting to appear out of somewhere but because I've been in Thailand so long I don't believe I I need mind coaching I believe I'm already

91:12at that stage in my life where I I know exactly what I want same with this world title with Cosmo I know I wanted it I didn't need someone to tell me that I wanted it I know I want it and when I lose it just pisses me off but I I think um a lot of people have that thought about what it is and I I did as well like oh well what you're going to do is it's going to solidify what you want and you go after it I don't necessarily think it's that what Vinnie instead of hypnosis what Vinnie likes to think of it as like you're optimizing the pathways for your focus and instead of like saying I know what I want I'm going to go get it it's sharpening that to a Razor's Edge and I think that um I think you should I think everyone should look into it not I'm not necessarily saying that everyone should implement it like like here's a perfect example like Roy Jones Jr in his prime I would say

92:03just do everything you're doing don't change a goddamn thing you know what I'm saying I mean when he was fighting and just moving like no one has ever moved before knocking guys out with combinations that were just ridiculous like how could you say that guy needs to go to a mind coach you can't right but I really honestly believe that even though I would say just do what ever you're doing if he did go to a mind coach it' probably take it to an even different level probably take it to an even higher level I think that everything you do everything you do as good as you're doing it you could do it better I think everything can be optimized you know and I think everything has layers and levels to it and to say this is good enough this we're done here I just think honestly it almost like it disrespects the process of evolution disrespects greatness like for Roy Jones

92:59J there's a guy watching Roy Jones Jr and thinking I got to figure out a way to beat that and training harder and maybe he has just as many physical gifts and maybe he has just a slight Edge in some sort of a weird strange way because he's been watching Roy Jones Jr compete I don't know man I think that this sport is all about like minute differences like all combats Sports just T like you know Nick kerson is strength and conditioning coach really highly highly respected trains um hael dos Andros who's the UFC lightweight champion and trains uh rousan provodnikov a famous boxer and bunch of uh other Elite athletes done some work with Joe Schilling now too he's doing some work with Joe Schilling and um he said something really interesting when um hael dos ano beat Anthony Pettis and he said you know one of the things that we did with him um these all these strength and

93:55conditioning drills it's about executing and getting there just slightly faster and he's like even though he dominated that fight think about those exchanges he dominated those exchanges by maybe a half a second like he landed a half a second quicker he was a half a second Rec his recovery was just a little quicker he was a able to re-engage just a little quicker and those little tiny edges little tiny edges means he lands first and it means he's dominating and even though his advant like physically his advantage of execution was so small it was enough those little advantages are enough to win a fight and it's incredible when you think about it that way that this sport is just it's a matter of like these incremental increases in ability incremental advances yeah so fascinating to me I never grow tired of it um I guess I'm sort of a in the caveman era too where I

94:50I believe that like I I think what the the Mind coaches are doing are awesome but at the same time I don't need someone to Pat my back and say hey you're doing a good job right okay I had I don't think they're doing that though yeah yeah I don't think they're doing that talk to Vinnie I mean maybe maybe um he can give you a bit of an Insight on it but I think you're right too you know I'm not saying he's right and you're wrong I think you're right too because you're a proven Champion you know and that mindset the Steely determination that you've developed like nobody needs to tell you how to do it you know I I I firmly believe you're one of those guys you can wake up at 3:00 in the morning and say it's go time and you put your shorts on wrap your hands and you don't know what the to do you're just going to fall into it you know it's your thing you've been doing

95:32it forever um I I cuz there's a gentleman in Australia that's doing it and then if someone's having a bad day I know they call him and say oh man I had a bad session what do I do oh mate don't worry tomorrow's a new day you where I know okay today I up tomorrow I'm going to I'm going to train harder and make sure that doesn't happen again you're your own mind coach yeah yeah so and then I got no one else to blame but myself too so um I'm very lucky in Australia that I I own the gym I'm My Own trainer my own manager I I do all my all my neg negotiations with uh promoters uh I I I have my friends that come in like Kevin from New Zealand here that um comes and helps me and we we work on different we talk I I give him ideas of what I want to do on the pads uh so so everything I'm I'm in control of my own destiny if that makes sense I've got no one dictating me what to do

96:21I'm I was the one that reached out the Scott Kent to try and get online for I'm the one that's reaching out to all these different guys so you like that but some people don't right some people like their they just don't want to train they don't want to think they want their manager to tell them who to fight they want everything set up for them and they just want to concentrate on training yeah um I'm yeah well cuz I finished thail when I moved back to Australia from Thailand there was there was no one for me there so I opened a gym because I needed somewhere to train so I had to teach classes to pay the rent so I could still have somewhere to train and that sort of blossomed into the gym started being successful so then I started having more guys training on the meet me that wanted to fight then all of a sudden I'm working their corners and learning how to wrap hands and and now

97:04I'm trying to do everything and then also at the same time trying to create my own career as well so I've been yeah so lucky that I've been yeah it just it's just sort of happened um it's not that I wanted it's not like I wanted a coach I'd love to have a coach but at the same time it's what I've been doing is been working and I've been lucky enough to be successful so where would you train if you if you didn't have to run your school and if you didn't have to where is there a place in the United States or in Thailand or anywhere in the world where you would train Tha Thailand was perfect for the um four or five years and then uh definitely definitely grew out of that and when it was time to come to Australia it was perfect and then but where would I train you grew out of it how so uh the the fights were so high for so small money so so high level fights very dangerous fight

97:53dangerous fights again with guys with 200 300 fights and then your prize money is enough for a Happy Meal so it was crazy and then by the time you convert that Happy Meal money to Australian money um yeah you're buying a pack of chewing gum God damn it what's the cheapest you ever fought for uh the cheapest I fought for was 1,000 B which was $25 oh oh my God yeah but then and then you have to pay money to the gym and then you got to think about training expenses food you're losing money a lot of money so yeah it sort of sucked but then I wor I worked my way up and then my last fight in Thailand was for a million but which was approximately 355,000 Australian and then uh that's not bad right yeah that's okay but it was probably like super Elite world class fight yeah and then from there I've been on the on the 30s the 40s for the last 10 years so so I've

98:45been very fortunate that way that I've enough to survive and live comfortably and and only have to train and look after the gym and uh we a lot of other people that i' manage and then um they're lucky to if they get $3,000 is they they've hit the jackpot so it's such a hard sport to try and become a a superstar it's so hard so if there was one place where you would train if you had you know it was totally up to you I guess I guess Holland Holland Holland which gym do you know good question I'd probably train with cor hammers cor hammers is a legend he's got the the writing on the the board with um Raymond and then uh uh what's the gentleman now that trains out of Glory um that's doing this K Nikki hson Nikki Hol I'm not sure I'm not sure he he with Co H he was for a while I don't know if he is anymore I I believe he's still with that that that Circle of

99:38gu Beast though God he's so good he's amazing he's excellent he's one of my dream fights I'm probably a little bit older fighting now because he's in his Peak and I'm a little bit older but he was one of the guys that it's always I always thought that we cross PA but we never did what wait he um he's Glory 76 I believe oh 77 George's weight uh wter okay so it's 170 I believe so yes yeah so he's yeah he's little heavier a little more like Cosmo Alexander Cosmo and and a killer too he's got Dynamite uh nasty left hook nasty nasty punches just like just like Raymond very similar Raymond dick mini me m so well he has a very technical style though very intelligent you know like when he fought Raymond Daniels a good high as well yes the need to the face is a killer when he fought Raymond Daniels Daniels throws all those wild combinations and crazy you know he just walked him down

100:31figured out to keep the pressure on him throw a lot of leg kicks throw combinations rip that left hook to the body and eventually he took him out and once he presses him into the corner too there's no escape and he's got he's got that nice switch knee to the face and well Raymond Daniels is an interesting case do you know who he is yes they twice yeah they fought twice and he stopped them both times you know Raymond Daniels is an interesting case because there's a guy who was Elite at a very odd style of fighting he was Elite at Point karate and if you watch his point karate fights online you realize like God this guy just blitzes in with this crazy and then they would stop it and point karate for people who don't know is like a a really high level game of tag with karate because once you touch the guy like literally touch them they stop it and they score the point so

101:16it's very difficult to transition from that into continuous fighting like when you fight in kickboxing or in Muay Thai or in MMA when you hit a guy once he hits you back you hit him again and it's all about hitting and not being hit and movement what what karate what they get really good at is this blitz where they jump on you and Tac but they have to get used to you hitting back and the referee not stopping the action so credit to Raymond Daniels he went from doing this one style of like jumping in and and hitting a guy once to this continuous style and then also factor in leg kicks because in these karate tournaments you can't kick the legs so he's jumping in with all these wild kicking and punching techniques and then he goes from that to this incredibly difficult grueling style of fighting the guys have their hands up very high they're throwing a lot of leg

102:13kicks and and he's excelled at it except at the very elite level when he's fought the very best guys like Joseph walini stopped him same thing attack the legs attack the legs get him to block the leg goes up high and head kicks him but it's utilizing the Muay Thai style to defeat this style where he just he's got so many tools but he doesn't quite have all of it together at a world class level yeah but if you let the guy fight on the outside man he's got that Blitz that Blitz and those wild kicks he's really interesting man yeah very unorthodox the the spins yeah and the jumping but you got a wonder man man with a guy with those type of skills if he could get his hands at the same level as like a n Nikki holin or a walini and get those leg kicks at the level that those guys have like poof man yeah it's crazy he's um yeah yeah but but Nikki holson he's uh I don't know anyone can

103:10fight him right now he's probably the the king at that weight division yeah there's a there's a lot of talent and Glory it's it really drives me nuts to seeing seeing that them leaving Spike TV i' really bus out I don't know what's going to happen now because the without them and the prize money and without again without the exposure where what happens now what happens line fight's the the only channel to go now I suppose and now Bellator is doing um the kickboxing version as well with that last show with the the ring in the cage MH so that was interesting but that was combined with Glory yeah oh I suppose yeah yeah I think that that was what they were doing you know I mean they were just trying to have like a big crazy like Japanese style event you know I don't know man it just bums me out it just bums me out that it for whatever reason it didn't catch on yep yep you

103:58know and Spike is obviously where the UFC took off so it's not like it can't happen there yep but whatever reason it just didn't yeah so yeah it's it's hard it's hard it's hard for our Strikers um they have to get the steel cup on the corners in between fights Jing Jing any got any change got pass the hat around what about in Holland is is it they make money in Holland f I believe uh they shut down all the big shows there's a massive show called Showtime where they used to have half a football stadium and I believe they had like 30 to 40,000 people um that would come to these events three four times a year and then apparently the the Hell's Angels were involved with a little bit of washing washing this and that and then um they got banned from doing the big shows so that's why there's nothing happening in Holland now yeah again again it was that that

104:50was the place to go Holland and Showtime and Cosmo was former um Showtime Champion also and badari badari badari love watching that guy fight he's crazy Sammy Shield all these crazy Killers all the Dutch it was such an amazing show and then because they knocked it on the head now there's where do he go like that was the besides um Thailand Holland was the place and now now that's dried up now it seems maybe Japanese can pick up the slack and come back with K1 again cuz I know they're trying to do a new MMA promotion they have Fator for New Year yes but here's a problem there's no heavyweight Talent out there they can't find Fedor an opponent someone said his opponent's four fights or something with two wins oh that guy they pulled that guy out apparently he's not in shape that was an Indian gentleman I believe from India um I don't even I know who he is but he's

105:40not it's just not world class he not not for a guy like Fedor yeah like you know you're talking about arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time and you're going to have him fight a guy who's just nowhere near his league for a New Year's Eve show that's crazy you need world class Talent there there was so much excitement when he he announced that he was coming back and then there was the he supposed to fight in the UFC what suppos to do there was talk of the UFC then there was talk of going to Bellator then he was going to make the big announcement and then um and then okay we're going to Japan well I think at least Spike TV is going to air the fight I think they they did something in conjunction with Spike TV for for this event so I believe uh I don't want to I'm I'm just pretty sure that it it's in conjunction Junction with Spike TV the Fedor but who the he going to

106:26fight there's no one out there unless Randy cure comes out of retirement and and ry's 50 whatever years old and you're going to need a a strong undercard to support it as well and everybody signed everyone sign with either Bator or UFC or it's crazy um or World Series of fighting between those three shows they they have everybody yeah so I mean Bellator doesn't even really have a heavyweight champion you never see their heavyweight champion fight who the is their heavyweight champion you know what I mean it's like I don't think the has fought I don't think their heavyweight champion has fought in like two years or something crazy like that y it's a mess man it really is a mess it's just just it's very unfortunate I would like just you know I'd like to see him fight a quality opponent if he's going to come back and yeah yeah definitely like the like the pr days that would

107:10have been amazing yeah well you know they did it before why can't they do it again you know I mean I think it it's got to be there's got to be some upstart some young upand cominging fighter out there all over the world that are very talented it's a matter of H having a quality talent scout who really is deep in the game who understands fighting who can go out there and recruit those guys at a young age and then have well the Japanese also there's another angle that must be considered is that the Japanese became big the the organizations by having pro wrestlers fight in MMA matches like Takata when Takata fought Hicks and Gracie Hicks and Gracie was the man in the Brazilian jiu-jitsu world right and he was the man in the Gracie world like when ho Gracie was winning the UFC he always said listen my brother's 10 times better than me and he always said that and then his

108:05brother goes and fights for Japan Valley tudo and becomes a superstar in Japan and then his brother people don't know Hixon fought in the very first Pride Hixon fought Takata and so when Hixon was fighting in Japan Hixon was a superstar Takata was a pro wrestling Superstar and that's what made Pride take off and then obviously they were doing these gigantic arena saana super Arena and this huge venues and New Year's Eve shows and they have to figure out how to rebuild that but I don't even think pro wrestling is where it's at in anymore in Japan I think Japan they get fickle you know these young kids they dress like Elvis they dye their hair purple and then next year you know they become accountants and they you know that's the new thing they have like these weird fads they get into um oh what's the gentleman that uh Yi sudo yeah he turned into the the

108:59singer Rockstar robot dancing yeah yeah exactly like you saying one day here MMA super myai well he was MMA as well he he was everything very good gra MMA and all of a sudden he's doing Rockstar yeah he's he's a character man he's a man he was he was uh what can he do that book that was awesome he B Bean in MMA he thought he um got him in butter bean yeah the big heavyweight boxer he did the the jumping back kick off the top rope and then um got him in a heel hook I believe or and then um that was nuts and he was outweigh by like man at least 150 lb right butterbeans got to be 300 lb yeah yeah Madness pure mad and then the I don't know how the promoter can stay they I got a good match what what was so how do you even justify putting that on and then sitting back and going oh this is going to be awesome they put on a lot of Freak Show in Japan a lot of frees that was one of the other

109:55things that they did to attract attention they had guys that were fighting guys way smaller than them y you know like um oh the tie remember the the tie kid I for Mighty Mo and he fought uh what's his name calay yes cal cal did the jumping jumping R kick to the head and then and then bought the leg back and hit him with the heel on the way down yeah I think he was outweigh by at least 70 kilos at least least at least Mighty Mo was a bomber too that was uh that was like a a you were going to see someone get killed I thought Mighty Mo was going to uh put him in would fight with his hands down too almost like a tawan do fighter he was crazy and then he was fighting them regularly he fought Hong man Choy from Korea he did that's right the 7 fo2 blue head monster and then and then should have beaten him too but they wanted to create him that they tried to

110:52build hogman TR up so he become the next K1 star but in theory if you watch the fight um cclaw should have won that one yeah a 70 76 kilo 5' 10 tie versus 7'2 Korean beast and and then landed a head kick too you see one of the photos where his legs completely ver completely split yeah yeah yeah what happened to K1 Max they had some wild fights over there remember when M was over there I was on K for two years and Co Vince Phillips came over the former uh boxing champion f m in a kickboxing fight got his legs destroyed he he fought um the handsome MMA guy as well uh he fights for UFC also oh what's his name can you please tell me his name uh handsome uh sexy Yama oh he F sexy Yama MMA really so what happened PHS did yeah oh how dare Vince was it Vince he fought one of the boxer one of the boxers from America so he's come over fought MMA fought MMA for

111:50the first time and then we're catching a LIF together in the hotel and I asked him I said oh I say what's your game plan have you been doing much MMA and he goes I'm just going to treat it like a street fight I'm just going to I'm just going to punch that in the face and once he realizes my power and it's like oh that always works yeah it's like I got him my tap on the shoulder it's like oh good luck with that and and then and then after the fight we caught the same lift back to the room and those Japanese set me up man they knew they knew damn right I had no chance in hell in that fight it's like what did he think expect of course you're going to get and then the funny thing was he was talking a whole lot of at the um press conference and then oh Fran Botha not Botha no no he fought Botha though there was uh he submitted him and Botha was a former boxing

112:36champion who fought K1 right he came from he was an American boxer from I believe it was Texas he fought Tama I think it was 2005 uh I for I don't know who the it was yeah yeah so any anyway um yeah had the press conference he talking all this stuff so during the fight there was so many times that the the American boxer was giv his arm and then he just pushed the arm out of the way and just ran ran down punches more and more and more he wanted to punish him and said of tapping him out it was oh really it was um it was quite quite crazy I don't know who the it was I'm looking at his um his record and I don't see anybody in there that I recognize as a uh as a boxer Michael luro I don't know who that is yeah it was like a special cuz because it was K1 card as well as K1 Max card and they they threw in an MMA fight there just for um K1 Max it was Michael LMA I don't

113:32know who that dude is though I don't know let me Google him real quick is there American flag beside it yep yeah he's a boxer yep visit page K1 yeah that's who it was that's who it was Iron Horse Boxing Club yep that's him I'm just gonna kick his ass bro just gonna kick his ass yeah that uh yeah do work so and then they they do it all the time the also they had a a Japanese boxer vers masado as well and the same deal as well he didn't learn how to check and masado just went in there and just destroyed his legs masado was an excellent fighter he was he's um he's uh he was the man that every single person wanted to fight because he he was the one that was rocking up to the Ws in a Ferrari he he was the Conor McGregor of MMA back of K1 sorry was he talking he didn't have to he was doing all the he he was actually silent he was like this you mean Conor McGregor I mean they was

114:30stylish and he had nice clothes on suits he was doing the Rolex commercials and he was driving like the Ferraris and he was he had the hairstyle where he had the the blonde tips and uh every single girl would that every single 40,000 seat Arena and um all dressed all dressed to pretty much and um the little golf clubs when they come out just a pure excitement of just being in the same room as him he was a beautiful man he um he was he retired young too yeah he and then once he retired K1 collapsed probably a year later because they didn't they didn't have the star anymore without that um that one one fighter he was the The Pinnacle he was and I I wanted to fight him and then every single person that wanted to fight him because uh if you beat him that was going to launch you to the stratosphere of just becoming an an over night uh phenomenon so he fought bcal right H yes

115:26the same year that I fought Bal I fought bcal first in in the first fight and then um it was masado Boral final and then Boral uh should have won after three they called it a draw and the mado's eyes closed um he had a limp he's probably I think he started urinating blood the next day and they called it an extension and a draw one more round and marsad looked at Bor house going oh no this isn't GNA be good so then um BC's gone out there and done the business for another three minutes and then they've awarded the the the K Max Title to um Bal but um then the next day you heard yeah masado wasn't healthy they should have stopped it but because he was Japanese they wanted wow they wanted to give him a chance to win yeah wow that's not good and a guy like that it's interesting that he never came back but M ended up winning the K1 Max twice so to his credit he's um he'll be

116:21undeniably the the greatest because in the heavyweights they had uh what was the what was the heavyweight champion's name not Champion the heavyweight uh uh uh Masashi Masashi Masashi yeah yeah yeah and he never sort of excel to their level where Mas did so for masado to win the K1 twice against legit World Killers um yeah he's a he well he was a real world championship caliber kickboxer was and really probably the only Japanese have fought at that level I think if it wasn't for K if it wasn't for M there would have been no K1 Max he was the he was the kid that shined that said yep we need to make a 70 kilo division because um this kid's going to take us all away and and put us on the wall stage as legitimate um as a country so but it's it's Unique in Combat Sports that he decided to stay retired yes you know I and I wonder what that was it just probably the punishment

117:17from some of those fights just got to a point where yeah money Fame I think got to the stage where he he' already uh conquered the sport and there was there was nowhere for him to go anymore he'd already done everything and had money in the bank and then I think get the stage where you don't want to wake up at 6:00 in the morning anymore you don't want to have to put ice on your knees and your and your shoulders after every session um so yeah everybody that fights in MMA or kickboxing there's always that one person in every sport that has that life whether it's Ronda Rousey in women's MMA you know and then the other girls are looking at her and they you know they're they're struggling or whether it's masato or whether it's Conor McGregor there's like this one person one the these a few outliers that sort of figure it out yeah and then Holly Holmes even

118:07come out and said um I want what Ronda has well I wanted what Mas had I would love to to Ferrari doing the um pull I remember one commercial he's in a Ferrari pulls up you see that pull up then the the door opens like a spaceship and then they focus in on his Rolex watch and it's like damn and he's in a suit and he's looking stylish and he's got yeah he's got uh just just the king it's like look at this guy this is what a what a hero so and as and because you're you're both playing the same game it's like how come I can't be him I'd love to be him that'd be so cool did the guys in K1 the heavyweight division K1 um did those guys make good money uh well they' had a eight-man tournament once a year and when it was at its uh Peak they had the Tokyo Dome 90,000 people and it would sell out in two hours uh and and then you'd have to fight three times in in approximately 3

119:01hours and the grand prize was 500,000 us so do you know how much profit they must have made if you have 90,000 people in an arena yes and you're selling those you know just think about it even if it's only 10 bucks yeah that is a fuckload of money that is a godamn fuckload of money and you're only P out 500 Grand to the winner and you have pay-per-view and Mr isue might have forgot to pay taxes for a few years in a row so then he had to do I think he believed he had to do a little bit of um time no he got uh stay home home detention oh that's it home detention for a few years oh that's great and that's when uh get pizza delivered watch TV it's better than jail man uh but yeah and then uh the other gentleman took over K1 and that's when that's when the side show started happen that's when the Bob saep started coming H man Choice started coming in oh is that what happened that's when

119:57the is is had this platform where everything was 990,000 people and then everything was perfect and then um yeah and then it sort of started declining from that moment on that's too bad because in the Glory Days of K1 you know back in the Ernesto H days and Peter Earths and just God Mike Bernardo it's like those fights were so technical so high level so great leaner I mean oh my god well we had Sam Greco that was fighting for Australia so he was the Australian hero and then uh yeah it was Sammy schel yes oh this is before the sh it was before yeah this the Golden Era where Smith um and then it just seemed to be those eight guys that would just keep knocking each other out year after year after year for about 10 years in a row and as a teenager there was there was just the someone would get a VHS of the latest Grand Pricks and then you you you watch it and then be so uh yeah you

120:54couldn't move all the boys were sitting around with the popcorn remember Andy hug Andy hug was an undersized guy under Andy hug remember those days yeah the spinning the spinning heel kicks to the thighs yeah wheel kick to the thigh yes nobody was doing that man no one was doing that yeah well he was a cushan right he was cushan yes that same as Sam GCO and a lot of wild kicks Samy sh Sammy uh Sammy shil Sam Greco Andy hug and they all had that kushin um yeah just that mentality of walk forward throw leg kicks but Andy Hook was only like 510 or something like that right he wasn't a big guy and he had to put on a lot of muscle yeah in order to fight those heavyweights very undersized when you see him fight yes a lot of those guys in that Division and um it would yeah today I'd knock you out and then a month later I'd knock them out and then how crazy is that they fought like that

121:44yeah yeah everyone would fight each other six seven eight times and it'd be a 5050 split who was ever on that day was going to win and whoever didn't get knocked out in training whoever who who got knocked out like the furthest amount of time from that tournament yes because there's guys were destroying their chins yes yes if you think about it I mean how could you get knocked out and they get knocked out again a month later that's crazy uh the mark hunts remember Mark hunt back when he was uh him and Ray seu standing Toe to Toe dropping their hands letting taking taking pot shots as each other's chin and just standing there and smiling and then another rally it was uh yeah that's the sort of stuff that I made leg and that was when Maro Marco crocop first started fighting K1 he was so skinny remember how thin he was yes yes yes that was I guess he wasn't lifting weights or

122:30anything back then maybe or just wasn't as much or he had to put on weight as well po Jer Lea was always the the bridesmaid always doing the business and then when it always came to the the eight man he'd never quite successfully get get close you remember when he uh he F he almost won but he broke his arm against host o shattered his uh shattered his forearm yep man those were some amazing amazing fights and again that's something that a lot of Americans just never experienced didn't air over here before the before the UFC era came that was the The Pinnacle that was the combat that was Combat Sports pretty much it was before the UFC CU it was before Pride it was before the UFC that was the big martial arts event was the K1 Grand Prix yes when you'd win you get that big trophy and the Fetti would come from the sky and the giant check you remember that the

123:27giant checks yes where did the giant checks go I got a giant check I would like to see a giant check come back I got I got a a million bot giant check my gym which I'm quite proud of from Thailand from Thailand so a milon b looks yeah it looks good Zer someone says how much is it don't ask that that doesn't matter it's not about money look at all that zeros who cares how much it's worth it and it's in ti so you're missing the point son it's not about money it's about giant checks yeah back in the yeah K1 was cool it's say but you think of K1 only paying out 500 Grand to the winner yes man that's a lot of money they're making at 990,000 seats yes so so I don't know I don't know what's 990,000 time 10 is that 9 million 90 million 900,000 No just add a zero oh right okay so it's more than 10 for the gate though like what's the gate it's usually I don't know probably 20 30 40

124:24bucks a ticket plus concessions and parking and all that extra ST so 90,000 time 10 is only 9,000 but it's way more than 10 bucks a ticket right bucks which is a $9 million gate but then ringside is probably way more than a 100 bucks like ring ringside of UFC could be as much as like 500 bucks maybe even more right oh for sure like a big boxing match I know that well a lot of this like scalpers too right you never know well MGM I paid uh to watch uh Joyce versus Hendrick I paid $500 and I was I was up in the bleaches my my my nose actually bled that's how high up I was your nose actually bled yeah I have a feeling that was cuz you probably got punched in that nose fairly recently I bet if my nose was up there it wouldn't have BL the oxygen levels were so low that I started getting dizzy that's ridiculous I had to duck under under a plane who the gets a nose bleed on a mountain is that

125:18real do you get nose beds when you go to a mountain uh I don't get nose you get a nose bleed on a plane well it's the the pressure right cabin right that makes sense but I've never heard anybody getting a nose bleed in the nose bleed when you when you jump out of a plane you don't get nose bleeds really when you parachute maybe you bro not me bro well you didn't know me man then man I would have hooked you up with better seats that's ridiculous see such an important fight you want to be close well I I think I told you last time the lady bought me my my ticket for free to go and be part of the cuz I wasn't going to go at all and then yeah the lady bought my ticket too but then I I bought the ticket to watch the fight so it was yeah but anyway anyway it was um fights are so interesting live because you get this energy from being there in that Arena that is you can't reproduce it

126:05watching it at home I I don't think people that see it at home will ever truly know what it's like to see a live fight because also there's something that gets like I remember the first time I went to see a boxing match I remember thinking like oh there's no commentary this is weird like there's something that's sterilizes it a little bit about hearing Jim Lampley here ABC Wide World of Sports or whatever the it was back in the day when I was watching boxing and then to go see a boxing match live you're like there's no one talking you know you just hearing th thp thp th bang you know you're seeing someone like I was there when Mickey War um Mickey War Mickey War Mickey Ward rather Micky confusing people Mickey uh Ward was uh coming up in L Massachusetts before he ever had those crazy fights a series of fights witho y I saw him fight when he was a really young professional and we

126:54saw him fight uh in L me and my buddy Jimmy Lawless went to see him fight live it was just like being there in in like a small Arena who you know with a local Hometown guy and see a local boxing match and hear the the slap of leather on faces and bodies it's such a different experience than watching it on television which is like so much more um seems like it's not really happening even if it's happening even if it's brutal you're not there you know um same with our our local promotion that I'm doing now with my wife with the CMT you you you feel meaning cage tire so so you actually you feel you feel the fight while you're in the in the room yeah not only watching it but um you're flinching as someone's get hit your your your um hairs are up on the on your body and back of your neck you got goosebumps uh you can't not look away from the cage because any given second some was going

127:51to get knocked out so but you don't have that when you're watching on TV you're looking at your phone you're looking up you're looking down but while while you're there live um yeah you can you feel the atmosphere you can smell the atmos you can smell the tile you can you yeah it's just it's a different beast when you're um when when you're present the Thai oil or that like lint what does that do does that do anything yeah it warms you up it's nice and warm so your MH out into the skin so that you're nice and loose so when you're Shadow Boxing your your body's on fire so you feel uh instead of skipping for 10 minutes you put the tile o on you rub it in and then you're already warm my friend who's a doctor told me listen man if that did anything it would get into your muscles itself and you'd be poisoned really I go really he goes yeah it's called a topical analgesic it heats

128:36up your skin doesn't do a damn thing yeah if you really if you if you got a light sweat and you put that stuff on um you want to you're on fire you're going to try and put yourself under a hose try yourself off okay but let me ask you this if that's the case how can you put that stuff on your skin and then you're clinch cling and if you're clinching that stuff can get in someone's eyes no maybe it does yeah it does but but you're massaging in um 15 minutes before you walk out then if you're grabbing and you're fighting for the plum right and you've got that on your forearms and this guy turning away and it gets in his eyes does that happen to you by the time you get onto the ring yeah it's it's absorbed so I don't know about all that that's why you can't use it in the UFC UFC in the early days man dudes which just greas yeah and we can put o Vaseline all

129:25over our body as well between the O the linament and the Vaseline all over so you you come out and and you're shining and you're glossy and and then we catching the kicks and you can pull out of the catches and and uh the only thing is if you're the last fight of the night so if you um T someone in the stomach and then you put your foot on the canvas and then you get oil by the time you're the last fight the the canvas is just a ice skating rink it's it's terrible and then and if you got logos on the canvas as well between the Vaseline and the stickers and then yeah it's it's a complete nightmare well that's a that was a nightmare in MMA for a while that they would have all these ads on the octagon and they would spray these ads down with you know spray paint essentially or like um U like an iron on and it would be wouldn't absorb like canvas like C for

130:12people who don't know canvas when you get it wet actually you get more traction it's actually kind of nice which is why when you watch MMA fights sometimes you see guys p pour water on the ground and then they'll move their feet on the water because maybe their skin is dry and they want to get their skin nice and moist and it actually give you like a little traction a dry canvas sometimes can be slippery especially a fresh canvas yes but those logos are the worst those things are terrible if they're stickers and not painted on yes if they're stickers that vinyl because it doesn't absorb any moisture so the moisture sits on if you step on it whoop and then you're scared to throwing and kick so for a kicker who's doesn't want to go to the ground oh it's a nightmare it's a mess then you're your one of your biggest weapons has been removed yeah it's it's good if you got a

130:56lazy eye cuz then you can watch one canvas and then watch your opponent the same he's joking you can't do that if you have a lazy eye right what the f do you have to pick which eye you look through did um I used to have a girlfriend that had a lazy o oh how dare you a joke's coming I had to get rid of her cuz she was seeing other people I knew that joke and you got me with it anyway you son of a how dare you yes how dare you I knew that one coming I knew that joke but I knew first of all I knew a joke was coming cuz you had a here's a joke coming look in your face and I I heard that one but I forgot it marijuana that's what it is forgot the long-term memory got me damn so so so I got to I got to try and keep my brain intact so I can try and be funny like you so that's that's that's why I one another thing on longevity in this sport well your brain's amazingly intact for

131:49120 fights that's incred if you tell most people what's a guy going to be like 39 years old he has 120 fights oh guy can't even wipe his own ass he's got to hire people to do that look at you you're fine yeah but what do you think that that is just uh because of all that sparring as well that that um you know very technical what we call playing where you're just tapping each other not hard you know Ramone Decker Dutch style fighting in the gym every day but instead just like working on technique working well I've heard different Tech um different um theories with with boxers for instance boxers will Spar for for twice a week three times a week leading up to a fight for 10 weeks and then that their brain damage is caused from the sparring and not not not actual fight but the actual preparation and then times that by 30 40 fights well how many fighters have more

132:37than 40 fights in boxing so so I don't know I've been hit with a lot of hard shots where a lot of people say how come a normal person would be knocked out and you didn't I guess it's just just luck I have nothing but luck do you have a good chance yeah lucky that it's not not um uh gone yet um yeah good chin is really for you know Cosmo whacked me high he certain he didn't miss he got me multiple times that flying knee man that one flying knee was at the second round that he caught you with that um I don't remember what round it was second or third round he he hit you with a flying knee but you know never had you hurt never had you down never had you wobbly yeah the cut the cuts hurt but at the same time know there's no there wasn't one one point in the fight where I thought oh I can't go on it's like no no every time he hit me hard I was more so I got to get it back

133:27there's a difference between the the phrase had you hurt and something hurt like uh people listen to that and they go well of course he got hurt he got hit he got he already said he had all these stitches when someone says in the fighting world he was hurt it means his body is not functioning right like you got whacked and all a sudden you see your legs go rubber or you see a guy cover up maybe to a liver shot and you realize HTT I was never I was never winded or never at a point where I thought if I get hit one more time I'm going to go down there's no point whatsoever during the fight that I I was I was getting hit but the same time I I there was never another a moment where I thought I can't not win this fight until the bill rent and it's like okay now I'm at of time when you watched the fight in the replay did that fourth round incident where you cracked him with that punch and he

134:13started cleaning his feet did that drive you nuts I haven't watched the fight yet I'm so I'm so disappointed in myself you're going to be very angry when you watch that fourth round the courage up to build the build the courage up to watch it cuz I'm still I'm still trying to get over it that I'm it's it's it's it's heartbreaking when you lose man it sucks I can only imagine youing you've invested that 10 weeks and then all you want I can taste it I want it I can feel the build around my waist I I want to and then when the the decision comes and the raise up position his hand it's just it's so heartbreaking and then and then look at people's faces that um believed in you as well like Hans with um uh he came on board with monster just before this fight come up so yeah again I got to thank them for coming on board as well but Monster Energy drink yeah monster like for them

135:01to sponsor a Muay Thai Guy it's like I want to I want to win to to be for them to be proud to have their logo on my shorts and then when you lose I got to look at Hans in the face and think man I'm I'm sorry I let you down oh listen man you didn't let anybody down you fought a great fight against an a world class fighter I mean Cosmo Alexander is a bad you know you fought a great fight but you know you know what I mean it's it's it's so many people and then and then my little girl she's 12 years old she's sitting front row and then um my wife said oh yeah she was in tears because when Dad she used to seeing dad winning so when dad's not not only did he lose but he's cut up and he's limping and he's um broken it's um it sucks yeah but it doesn't it doesn't diminish your enthusiasm for wanting to compete yeah yeah I I'm can't wait I'm fighting sorus on the 5th of December so so once once

135:52my foot's healed I'll get back to Australia I'll get back on the roads back on the pads and and now I'm more determined to make up for this sloth I want to make sure that I'm not only going to beat sorus um but I have to go out there and and destroy him to get back my credibility as one of the top guys are you still fighting that Black Dynamite dude yes yes sorus that's his name Sor so that's what is his full name sorus Washington sorus Cyrus s Cyrus okay that's where I got confused you were saying sorus I saying s o r o I was like who the is that but Cyrus it's goddamn Australian accent Cyrus Washington is uh he's a wild dude the accent if you were in my country you'd have the good point yes I'll be I'll be in your country soon I'll be in your country next month yeah so yeah cus in the cage in the cage MMA gloves uh Muay rules he's a killer too he's

136:45another killer he's uh he's he's exactly like the gentleman you're saying from Glory with the the the Daniel the spinny kicks and the hook kicks and the crazy sty and but he's more adapted to Muay Thai Cyrus has you know he's he's a wild guy to watch man he does a lot of crazy a lot of spinning back kicks the body a highlight reel of his on um Facebook the other day and the amount of people that watched it I'm just like what are you doing fighting this guy for it's cuz he's good why why do why do I want to fight him because he's awesome he's going to bring such an entertaining uh fight for the Australian crowd that um they they're going to be crazy if they don't come along and watch it because this going to be Madness yeah he's he's uh an interesting Guy and um he's a black belt in Taekwondo as well as being very proficient at Muay Thai at a world class level and combining those

137:32two things together is very interesting it's like we talking B boxing man now as well he's he's fighting with headbutts bare knuckle boxing with headbutts who where's he doing that uh either Cambodia uh Jesus Christ what happens when you get hurt and you got to go to the hospital in Cambodia they just give you your own chicken here do your own Voodoo they give you a a ball of yarn and a fish hook Stitch yourself together we're done oh man yeah so so hopefully he doesn't have his natural in strength to try and headbutt me in the clinch yeah no kidding right so yeah if how many fights does he do like that uh from from his Facebook record that I that I shared when I when the first when the match first got made um he was like 70 with 50 wins 47 knockouts so Jesus Christ but I believe he said a few more fights than that he said oh that's actually my older record it's

138:28actually this now but when I got off his Facebook and then people going what you're 39 uh you're not in your Prime anymore why would you fight someone so dangerous for us cuz I want to give the Australian public and the fans fights that you're going to not want to miss when people say that you're not in your Prime though you still fight like you're in your Prime I feel like I'm in my Prime you're not fighting like like when I watched you fight I'm watching you fight Cosmo who's a big strong guy and you're not fighting like a guy who's over the hill you're fighting like a cautious smart veteran who's facing a very dangerous fast guy and you fought very well it wasn't it wasn't like a fight like oh man this guy's lost a step it wasn't like that man you know I'm I'm an honest dude if I see someone Lo losing a step it makes me very concerned because that trying to pretend that that didn't

139:19happen is super dangerous I don't see that with you the only time that I feel old is when someone asks me because in the gym I feel like I'm still 25 but when someone says how old you and then when I leave when I hear the word leave my lips and I say 39 it's like that's do you attribute that to consistency or I mean you're very clean with your diet like what is it uh I don't know I I don't know just um what's your diet like uh it's okay uh my wife's um uh half Mexican American say she cooks me lot tacos and lot tacos T lots of T food lots of Asian lots of Japanese we uh do you avoid anything like do you avoid sugar or alcohol or uh opium heroin stay away from those good stay away from especially right before fight try I try well they're very compelling I hear no but no everything's I I eat hamburgers I'm I'm I can't say that I'm a saint I'm definitely but I don't drink

140:18I don't really I'm I'm lucky to have five beers year so I stay off the that'll help that'll help a lot that adds longevity do you get like um help hopeful when you see a guy like Bernard Hopkins 50 years old yes I do he's uh probably that guy and then also uh like you were saying before uh Randy Couture he's also a gentleman that's that's that's proving that you can still fight with the guys that are uh in their late 20s early 30s yeah he won like at a world championship level deep into his 40s yeah and and then again another gentleman that can put a conversation together that's had all all these fights and Bern Hopkins again um uh it's just yeah Randy is completely Lucid when you're talking to him he's articulate he's a gentleman entrepreneur he's he he's not silly he's making he's making money from different Avenues so I saw him hitting the pads the other day he

141:10was working out with Jay Glazer it's a guy who does the NFL for Fox and you know Jay was holding the paths for him and Randy was hitting him I was like I wonder what the he's doing I wonder if he sees Fedor and he's like you know listen man I'll take that one big fight cuz he could probably make a shitload of money yeah even Shane Mosley Shane Mosley um but Randy might still be under contract he might like still have like some UFC contract thing going on I don't know didn't Dana expelling from UFC where he's not allowed to enter the Arenas anymore or something I don't know know that's sad to me how do you do that that guy can do whatever the he wants if I'm running the UFC Randy go go fight your mom I don't give a you always get ringside seats you know that's Captain America I don't know I don't know but if he did come back it would be weird because he's he's been

142:03off for a long time and the last time he fought I believe was in Toronto at the Rogers Arena and he got jumping front kicked in the face by leoto Macha and he got knocked out ma that was the famous tag Steven Seagal mhm that was the the first time that anyone has ever won by a Frank to the face and Steven seal invented it well jumping front kick the face jumping Anderson had won by a front kick to the face before when he fought VOR I apologize that was this that was the Steven ago have you ever tried a jumping front kick to the face in a Muay Thai fight jumping front kick no but I I landed a front uh I I used to try and land one front kick to the face every fight as like a as a as a trademark thing back when I was in my early early yeah yeah that was my that was my thing to try and land one actually actually my wife uh she was known as j j j j hang on hang on hang on what is

142:57it so her her tie name translated was the beautiful face the beautiful front Ki kick face the beautiful beautiful Frank K face face teer I bet it sounds cooler In tha how do you say it in thap wowful language so her thing was um so much better than beautiful front kick face her and then uh she broke a couple of girls noses with um the heel striking to the nose and uh yeah she she's she was um she's awesome my wife's really amazing when it comes to fighting it's interesting because the ties use the teep to the face almost like the flat part of the foot more and almost like a push kick yes you know like to push you back yeah very rarely would you see someone get actually knocked out from a you see the head get snapped but you wouldn't see actually get knocked out so yeah they don't throw it like a karate style front kick like a say like a semi shult always used to throw it to the

143:55body he would throw it like a like a a Thrust kick a different style of kicking yes I wonder why the ties never threw it like that because obviously when you watch Anderson versus vtor it's the same kick it's just done with a slightly different style and it's very effective yeah it was weird it was it was nuts and then for Mach to replicate that same kick um not long later I was like damn these things are that's pretty cool never see it again I mean you see guys attempt it but there's not been a single knockout in Justin buckolz got a knockout I think in Ring of Fire I think that's where he fought which is um uh uh an organiz Sven beans organization in Colorado I think that's where Justin he's one of the uh um Alpha Male uh URI fabers Camp one of the trainers there one of the fighters I can't think he has a fight this weekend he might have fought this weekend um but you very

144:46rarely see guys knock guys out with it these days like it was those two fights Justin's fight and I can't remember uh another knockout since in the UFC people try it but it hasn't been uh hasn't been utilized uh as effectively what do you got there for me there we go there you are John Wayne par Cosmo Alexander bam T front kick to the face hey what is that that thing that they always do when when people K hey in um in Australia we call that a a high high five to the face with your foot oh okay that's a little awkward should try to make something a little more eloquent come up with a better name Monster must like that though you go highlighted the M on your shorts perfect that's a perfect picture for the wall I was I was um uh quite happy that Cosmo was kind enough to stand there for for me for the for the photo shoot to let me execute the front kick to that one very nice of what what

145:44a gentleman he is what a gentleman he is I'll have to uplo one to um Instagram later on so everyone going to check it out so your fight for cage Muay Thai um you guys are using the small gloves and using the the Muay Thai gloves is are you the only organization that has uh full striking with with Muay Thai rules but with uh MMA gloves I believe so and then a gentleman uh Martin hogman Hogan Hogan in um Ireland he's he's seen my uh promotion then he's started it as well and then he's done three shows so far in Ireland and his last show uh Conor McGregor and uh what's other gentleman from Iceland that uh that fights gun Nelson Gunner Gunner was there as well and they're both in the crowd and I think they're both Blown Away by the the adrenaline of of the the cage because it's so exciting and it's so fast and there's no ground and then if there's no action on the fence um within 5 seconds

146:37it's broken up so it's just continuous violence so um do you like the breaking it up though with the clench because in Muay Thai you know in real Muay Thai they don't break it up uh if there's no action so if you're throwing knees and it becomes a sty mate within five 2 or 3 seconds if there's no action they break it straight away where only if there's no action whereas in MMA you can press something against the fre hold and hold hold hold well the UFC usually will stop it and and separate you I honestly believe that especially in MMA since grappling is such an integral part of mixed martial arts I don't think they should ever break things up I think if a guy's got you down he's just holding you down that's tough you got to figure out how to get up I don't think it should score very well for the guy on top but I really don't I don't believe in standups cuz I feel like especially

147:25for a striker right you have five minutes and every round starts standing up every round starts with your advantage no round starts on the ground you never start where like okay this round John you're on top you know you start on top because he was no but every round starts standing up and that's the advantage of the striker the grappler has to figure out how to get a hold of them how to get them to the ground I think once you've done that it's the guy on the ground's business to try to get back up people go oh that's boring you're gay you like the guys I'm just saying there's only five minutes okay and for grappling 5 minutes is not that long you if you if you say if you were grappling with another guy who was also at your level in grappling and you guys were tangling for five minutes if you're both at the same level there's going to be a lot of stalemates

148:13and it takes little incremental in improvements and advances for you to get to a position where you finally get to a mount or you finally get an armar you finally get a choke it's hard to do and you can't do it if you keep standing people up when they stalemate yeah because that's stalemates a part of grappling it's like the it's your job to figure out if you're on the bottom how to get up or how to submit them from your back it's the guy's job on the top to hold you down and to figure out how to get you in a better position and to dominate you and to figure out how to submit you but it's not enough time five minutes is not enough time yeah they're saying when pressed against the fence when sometimes when you they they stuck there for uh for more than yeah 2 minutes when the guys get impatient then they make mistakes like if a guy's pressing you up against the cage and

148:58he's kneeing your legs and he's hitting you with short elbows and you're just waiting for the referee to to separate if the referee doesn't separate you might do something silly you might make a mistake you might and that's what they're trying to do like Randy cure was the master at that had a holding guys up against the cage but he didn't get it they didn't separate him very often because he was constantly moving he'd be constantly punching you constantly kn KN your body kneeing your legs he was working you and he was pushing on you and wearing you out that was a big part of his strategy and I just feel like um you know with MMA they're trying really hard to make it more fan friendly and they're trying really hard to make the action like more exciting to watch but I think in doing so you water down the art a little bit and there's an art with two guys trying to figure out what to do to

149:45each other to to defend and to attack and figure out who can win yep I don't know that's just my feeling but I think if you're going to have pure standup just pure standup striking I think what you're doing is the best way to do it I think small gloves and I think uh doing it in a cage and where you know you don't have to worry about guys falling through the ropes yes like I've seen that in a lot of events especially when guys start clinching and they get up against a rope and maybe their butt goes through like two ropes they slid back or maybe they're ducking away from a punch and they wind up falling out of the ropes it happens too much yeah I've seen um I was at a a local uh Muay Thai show in the ring and they had uh two gentlemen they clinching away and the other guys uh theyve Fallen straight through the center and then on they had the judges table right beside the the

150:32ring and they had all the trophies lined up and it was those trophies where the the angel was on top of the trophy with their hands clasped together and it was it was uh like razors and the and the guy's head uh missed the trophy by by inches and it flopped onto the desk and if it had have been a little bit to the left he would have pierced straight through his eye it it would have been the would they have sharp objects right next to the ring when guys are throwing each other around that would have been horrific oh it was definitely sickening so I always make sure with our shows now our trophies are under the table but that was a learning curve but Bernard Hopkins f um well no he didn't fall didn't he fall he fell out and broke his that's shoulder yeah um but with in the cage um from a personal experience I've had 18 19 fights in the ring but to be locked in that cage as a not as a

151:26spectator but as a fighter it's such a different uh atmosphere and a different Arena and um it definitely brings out a completely different beast and then when you know your opponents Runing those little gloves um yeah every single sense in in your body is is tingling because you know if you make a mistake you're going to be um completely dominated or wiped out or uh yeah knocked unconscious so it's do you think about bare knuckle bare knuckle I haven't tried it and um I sounds very painful yeah and then and then cuz my hands too I think the idea of smacking someone in the forehead with bare knuckle wouldn't be healthy for my longevity so I like the idea with having hand WPS and having the small gloves and having the cuz with my M uh CMT gloves uh it's half half padding half gel so and it's almost a 6 o instead of a four so it's not like a complete but it's

152:17still fingerless at the did you design them I had them um talked with a company in Australia to help design them make them thicker because I I as a promoter I didn't want to have someone dying on my show so I made it I made it uh a a thicker padding because there's no taking down there's no holding it's just uh complete trauma for for five rounds so um well the argument is I mean I I see what your point is but the argument is that you know you're saying you wouldn't want to break your hands on someone's forehead the argument is that you could throw a chin kick with full power so Shin which is much more powerful than a punch Shin to the head right knee to the Head elbows to the Head yes why do you allow someone to tape up their wrist and form an unnatural Bond right and then tape up their hands to make it nice and hard so you can punch full blast whereas the

153:07reality is the hands should be used judiciously because there's not a lot of room for error if you do make a mistake and you punch full blast you hit someone in an elbow they cover up like that and your knuckles slam into the elbow you might shatter your hand you might Shadow your hand on their forehead you might shatter your your hand a lot of different ways and you have to be way more clean with your strikes and it makes it more realistic and they think a lot of people think that that would actually alleviate a lot of the brain damage okay what do you think what do you think of that uh yeah just my my hands are sort of I've had a little bit of difficulties in the past with them so it's nice that's nice I it's reassuring that when I have the hand wraps on that that's keeping my wrist into a nice firm uh place so when I when I punch wrong that that I'm not going to break my hand

153:53okay and just having that cushioning over the top of the knuckles because the knuckles are so sensitive that um I've broken them before so uh just and and I know if my hands are wrapped properly that I can hit it with full force and not have any repercussions does that argument make sense to you though it does it does but um I think it there' be more open open hand slaps like bass B rooting and panas yeah yes well his style was pretty in insane they you definitely you wouldn't want to punch with a closed fish you definitely be wanting to um to the body maybe you would right to high five someone's face with your palm but then you'd have a lot of eye pokes that's a that's a real issue with MMA yes even CMT we've had few pokes as well so yeah man I wish they figured something out to fix that yeah that's the only danger what I'm doing with the CMT gloves is uh with the

154:43finger because a lot of people are saying well why are you doing it there's so many problems with the UFC and the Pikes why do you want to bring that same element into the what you're doing with the cage but at the same time if you wear boxing gloves in the in the cage it just looks looks so dumb it looks um it does because you you spend every single weekend watching UFC and then you're trying to get the same respect from the MMA fans for what you're doing in with what we're in the with K mu High rules and you got these big pillows on yet the UFC guys wearing the fingerless ones well is it possible that you could do something that's not fingerless but that's also very light that looks like a bag glove you know but it's the visual I think it's the visual that sells and and as a fighter as well I know when I put them on I I feel like I'm a warrior if it's a weird thing to try and explain

155:32but it's just um I I know that when I close my fists and and then when I clinch I know that I have my fingers and I can catch the the kicks a lot easier and manipulate the guard so I can throw elbows easier as well so it's um you also have it's a different element of fighting I've I've had so many fights with gloves and then you put these little things on and then the bell rings and and then I feel I feel free because when I'm training I train for 10 weeks with no gloves when I'm clinching I train uh when I play Spa with the kicks and then when I all of a sudden I'm restricted when I put boxing gloves on and then I'm not I can't execute the same game plan when I'm training to when I'm fighting if that does that make sense do you know what it does make sense but why wouldn't you just train with the gloves the the boxing gloves yeah uh in in in the in the cage though in

156:20the cage it's just um I don't I see your point about it not looking right I definitely see your point yeah I I want I want the MMA people to look at my promotion and say yeah yeah that's cool right it's well it's everything that they want out of MMA yes that especially like people that don't like the ground game it's everything they want they want wild crazy I'm not going to get their respect if I wear boxing gloves I I need to make it this the the same environment with everything the same just eliminate the ground so those Strikers have a a platform to to fight in that same Arena mhm because there so many go so I get so many emails from people that want to fight on the show because they want to they want to feel that Rush of the cage they want to feel like Russia MMA gloves but there's there's no platform platform for to uh to do it besides mine so yeah yeah it's

157:06um it's it's an interesting sort of a transition it's like the Gladiator days where you're fighting in the Coliseum don't they do that in Thailand they do like one where they wrap the hands they like big Crazy hand wraps yes they they they've just thoughted that in the last few years also um TI fight is called uh the same deal with the the hand wraps as well and uh but it's in a ring still so c a ring they have but big giant hand wraps they're not totally yeah I'm I've heard rumors that there there may or may not be an MMA glove similar sort of start underneath or or or if it's a softer cotton or it's not like pure well it's big yeah it's big those are big hand wraps it's not like as simple as like the regular wrap that you would wear when you're boxing yeah and it's not a cage under a glove no it's not a cage a cage you think the cage is a big selling element um I know

157:55when I walk into Arena I see a ring it's like yeah yeah the fight T night you beauty I'm excited I walk into Arena and I see a cage and it's like oh someone's going to get up tonight it's going to be it's it's yeah it's it's it's a different Beast you walk into the arena and it's a different it's a different animal it's funny to say that because that was always like a thing that people thought was holding MMA back because MMA was in a cage and people didn't like the idea of cage fighting in quotes cage fighting but look at it now it's a billion dollar business it's the well UFC UFC is not MMA in general only UFC you know there was an article that was recently out about the world series of fighting which has some really good fighters in it the world series of fighting you know there's some there's some super highlevel guys in in the world series of fighting you watch some

158:41real good fights and they're not making any money they're losing money they're on NBC Sports you know and I don't know how much NBC Sports pays them but there was some article on the Underground about them losing money and being in dire dire Financial Straits and for me as a fan I hate hearing that because I want guys to have options because when guys get cut from the UFC a lot of times they'll go to World Series of fighting one of these other organizations like Jake Shields or John Fitch and you know they build up win a few fights over there and maybe they can come back to the UFC and I like hearing that I want I want to see that that's what happened to Arlovski Anthony Johnson Anthony Johnson he fought orlovski in World Series of fighting yes um I like that that has to be available and it can't be available if these guys aren't making any money it's the same in Australia the the I I

159:26love UFC I love it I'm there every single weekend I'm buying all the pay-per-views I'm watching all the replays I I love your commentary uh I love every single thing about it and then I go to a local MMA show and I'm boy shitless uh they got two guys that and then it's Australia too cuz we don't wrestle so so within 10 seconds they're both on the ground and they don't have this skill set to stand back up and they sort of get stuck for 5 minutes uh but when you watch UFC they're at such a high level that it's it's like two worms next minute they're up again they're down the Jiu-Jitsu is so crazy the Striking so amazing you got the cerroni and it's it's it's it's such a and then what I want to do with the CMT too I've heard Dana White say in interviews if any um competition promotion was had any brains that'd steal everything that I'm doing in the UFC and try and replicate

160:18that for their own promotion because what we're doing is a winner formula so that's what I want to try and do with my show I'm trying to bring Internationals in I'm trying to to create the every single aspect as much as I can similar but in the Striking world so do you think that that's what You' be your primary focus when you retire promoting and promoting like cage Muay Thai uh yeah my life is fighting whether I'm doing it or promoting it or teaching it or seminars or I I I have no other interest outside of fighting that that is all I do and then that's my my wife's life as well between us um yeah that's yeah I don't know I didn't even know there is a world outside of fighting I he there is um do you when you watch MMA and say you watch like UFC high level UFC what what is the one thing that you think that uh when you see striking is there is there anything that bugs you is

161:13thing that things that you watch that you see people doing wrong or things you would like to see them improve upon F no I I enjoy I enjoy Warriors I enjoy people that are willing to put it all on the line uh even a gentleman such as Diego Sanchez like his striking to me isn't Elite but at the same time he he he drops his hands he calls his opponent on he screams and he runs in for me that's excitement it doesn't it doesn't have to be technical or textbook but to have that uh that adrenaline dump of sitting there watching him for a whole round just going crazy he nuts for me that's that's amazing he's one of my alltime favorites for sure because of that and then Jones again like you're saying different elements of the elbow strikes Gerson for another example uh the everyone has their Anthony Johnson again he's his boxing you wouldn't say his textbook boxing but at the same time

162:09if he hits you you're out so I love that I love it that's why I I love him cuz I'm on the edge of my seat every single that's what UFC is so good too you don't have to wait till main event to watch the fights you can sit there from the prelims to the last fight and enjoy every single fight because you know that every single fight is going to be completely different to the last yeah but no question about that but as a worldclass striker when you watch guys in the UFC do you see holes in their their style or do when you watch MMA doesn't even have to be UFC like just any MMA but do you see like what what do you think about the level when you're coming from a world championship Muay Tha Fighters perspective what do you think about the level of kickboxing in MMA uh if if it was pure kickboxing rules it yeah it's it's different kettle of fish but um it's it's it's it's

162:55entertaining I I watch it for the yeah it's I can't I can't say it's good or bad because uh what they do works and also you have to consider the fact they're avoiding takedowns things along those L there's so many different elements and for me for me to say this is good this is bad um I would be disrespecting the sport so from I'd rather yeah it's end the day uh it's entertainment and and that's why I invested my money every single weekend because I love it I think it's amazing and I'm I'm a Muay Tha guy yet I love UFC so yeah um I just wish I was a young teenager that was starting out I know I know which path I'd definitely go you'd go down the MMA path I yeah I because it's so big I want to be the Anthony pentis on the witties box I'd love I'd love to be the George St Pierre driving around in my my my living in a penthouse and being in the in the NOS commercials and the Run Rousy and

163:53there there yeah it's do you plan on training MMA fighters do I mean I know you work with George quite a bit uh I've worked with him once for the two weeks that was pretty cool um I I worked with a couple of gentlemen in Australia um that are coming up so but if the opportunity arose and someone um would like to to yeah shoot me an email I'm happy to now all those training sessions that you did with George over that that two weeks which fight was that for again Hendrick's his very last one and what did you guys basically work on uh Hendrick was a southp so we're working on uh keeping everything basic and then lots of right hand left hws lots of inside thigh kicks with the right leg for the to take out that lead Southport leg uh moving away from the power left hand because he's a monster uh and then every time we spy I I replicate uh Johnny sparring style so lots of I'd

164:45throw lots of overhand lefts and just being that that craziness EXP bloating in um and then George was uh uh uh John Denair um after a week of having George on the pads um he was blowing away about how much power I I I I was starting to get out of George's um punches and kicks and then freestyling on the pads that he never done before and um yeah it was we had such a good time uh but then I came too late I came I came too early in the camp there was still 14 weeks between our training session and and the fight so by the time I went back to Australia uh he he sort of went back to the old um training regime and then what was the difference between your training man I had the pleasure of working out with you and one of the things that I found was really interesting is that even when you throw a jab you're throwing a jab almost like a right hand you're throwing a jab

165:37like you're pulling back with your right hand and thrusting with your left hand yes you know and was that like the style that you I had George George when when George was double jabbing before it was a long jab short Jab whereas I had him cocking that shoulder for both Jabs so both of them were were and they making big cracking noise bam bam yeah yeah they were the the power so you were trying to get him to be more aggressive with his power is that what you were concentrating on trying to execute um yeah a lot more power shots and just um keeping it simple so uh keeping it down to four or five different techniques against the Southpole because against the Southpole you can't do the crazy tricks you got to keep it basic but um smart so you don't want to run into that left power hand either and then I believe uh he fought the wrong fight against Johnny he was

166:24moving into the hand instead of away from the hand and then he took a lot of damage uh and I believe we talked about this last time as well I I believe George marginally just won that fight just um but I I think if I had stayed there for a little bit longer or closer to the fight I I I could have got him away with um less less damage um yeah do think sorry do you think that maybe he had one foot out the door because he was kind of saying after that fight that he's really you know he's he probably wants to take some time out and then he wanted retiring but he wanted to take some time away and that this was just you know it was too much for him do you think that coming into that fight maybe he had that in his head possibly possibly that's always a bad spot for a fighter to be at right have one foot out the door yeah I was saying to my friend Kevin uh that I I it was the highlight

167:15of my uh training as a person it was um training George first two weeks and the the first three days that I was with him it was so mindblowing that how famous he was people coming up morning taking photos we we're eating and then after the third day fourth day fifth then you realize this thing this machine doesn't turn off and then um he can't go to the chemist to buy shampoo he can't chemist uh let's that's what you guys call grocery store pharmacy oh he called the chemist you got like where the are you getting your shampoo he he might go he might go into the toilets to pass stool and you got people waiting at the side the cubicle to to wait to get a photo with him so he's and then we got it every time we went somewhere it'd always have to be through the VIP entrance he couldn't walk through the front door uh especially in Montreal right so one time

168:07we went to a nightclub and then we we've got in through the VIP and then we we're walking to our uh our table and then we're about maybe 15 ft from our table and someone said just Beach USP and without a word of a lie um the whole Dance Floor stopped dancing everyone's looked at us turned and then the whole clubs walk towards that table and and um without losing a beat we we've turned straight back around and walked straight back out of the nightclub because uh it was like a tsunami of fans that have just come in and he knew he wasn't going to be able to sit down yeah he said oh we'll come back here in a couple hours later when when they're distracted um I can't come in right now because it's like this every day is there doow yeah this is this is normal and he's got he has his uh good friends that are his bodyguards that stand around him the whole time because uh uh people say can

168:58I get a photo and the bodyguards will step in and say oh no no flash as soon as the flash goes off then the whole club's going to come and then George will say yes and then the body goes oh sorry but George say yes look mate you don't understand if the camera goes and we got a problem everybody's going to want a photo yeah every want photo so um and even a red light we're driving in the car me and George got the radio on hey pull over uh we stop we stopped by the red light and all you hear is GSP GSP and and for to his credit the champione is he always looks waves smiles and then slly just drifts forward just a fraction just so he's out of eyesight of of the fans but it's um but that's every every single he'd rather from your car park even he'd catch a taxi from the front gate to the back gate because it from walking 100 ft would be a half an are um with photos

169:51and handshakes and high fives and and people are rude people are crazy people just come up and they stick their phone in his face like this and and they don't oh you know what it's like you're a superstar um you'd have this every single day as well surely yeah I don't have anybody sticking their phone directly in my face too often but it's happened a few times but I think with George it's a totally different thing because he's a national hero as well I mean he won Sportsman of the Year award in Canada where hockey is like their national sport yes and he won over hockey players I mean he was on the he was in these Gatorade commercials I mean he had transcended the sport to the P to the fact the point where he was a international Superstar and he's from Canada and they're so proud of that in Canada Canada is such a proud country that a guy like George is probably at like hundred times more

170:38famous than me well we went we went to New York for for one week the train with d johen here in um at the Gracies Academy and even in New York it was it was no different Montreal New York was just as insane as each other it was just yeah when I would think Montreal would be probably a little bit more crazy but yeah at that level I mean George when he was a champion especially I wonder if he can get around now a little bit better yeah I I I hope so but maybe people just ask him questions when you come back George I hope you going to fight Anderson Sila George um yeah he and then even uh the websites you notice all uh I I read the MMA websites every single day and then it's always at least once a week There's Something about George is doing this or he might come back or this is happening and so he's still he's still relevant he still hasn't disappeared yet they still they they

171:23they still need him in that Circle well he's still training you I know Sage northcut was uh in um TriStar recently and he had done some training with George and I think you know George still has a little bit of the itch but yeah I'd love for him to come back I think he's a he's he he is UFC and he's such a great Ambassador as well he's not just a he's a gentleman not just a great fighter but he represents everything good that's about Combat Sports yeah I agree he everything good about martial arts and he started as a martial artist I mean that's really what he is and and then that's why he would always go to the into the octagon with his gon and you know the whole deal he's uh he's a really unique guy and no better Ambassador like in his time to carry the flag yes and then uh the even the a lot of people change after once they reach that super starom whereas George has

172:13always stay grounded and then people would come up and people had some majority of are great and then some people with the the time I spent with him hey every time I get a photo of a celebrity you um I get carried so pick me up and he's like uh okay there's your or or uh just just or people are so weird or especially every time I get a photo with celebrity I fart on them come on George get over here I'm fart on you real quick come on George they might had a few drinks and there's no politeness hey I want a photo give me a photo or or they just grab him like that Tyson highlight where they just grabing around NE give me a photo people there's no he doesn't change though he's like he doesn't like it but at the same time he does it yeah well he's uh he's a good man he's a good man yeah it's he's uh very open-minded too I've watched him train with people I think I've seen you

173:07in a few confrontations on YouTube where people are a bit aggressive when it comes to comes to uh asking for your stuff and you give have to give them a like hey just I don't know necessarily I don't think there's any YouTube videos people like asking for photos or anything like that it might be that I don't know but yeah people get drunk alcohol is the worst drug in the world it's the worst drug in the world for people to make mistakes under pressure too because they see a guy like George and they're like holy it's George St Pierre I ain't scared of him you know like whatever the stupid chocolate Dell used to get guys trying to pick fights with them with chocolate chocolate D has a murderer's eye like you look in his eyes there's killer in there and dudes get drunk and pick fights with them people are so stupid stupid Donald Cerrone was telling me some guy punch on the podcast tell some

173:52guy punched him in the face in the Whole Food's parking lot hey and he's like what the man it's like Jesus Christ like you just run into the wrong people man and booze and whatever else they're doing with their head yeah there's nothing it's a crap shoot out there when you meet the general public um yes so uh about uh YouTube holy me and you had that little Spa people are crazy why do people get um they stay Anonymous yet yet they have such an opinion that they have to me and you we we had understanding you had a saw back you didn't want to spar but you you said oh look it let's do it and then um we had the best three minutes we laugh we had fun it was no big deal I said oh you mind have upload it you said yeah go for it yet everyone thinks it's so serious well they also think we're somehow upset at each other or something it was it was just for me it was fun it

174:46was fun to be able to it was fun it was it was a highlight of uh we should have probably recorded the whole thing the it was a highlight of like an whatever an hour and a half of us training together I was I was really impressed with the a lot of the variations of techniques you do like the way you throw the knee especially I never saw anybody throw a knee with like it completely sideways the way you did it and the combinations in which you did it so I think in MMA or in in any martial art it's always cool when you get a chance to work with people and learn a bunch of different and at the end of it like throwing some light kicks and and you know and punches and stuff and moving around with each other to me it was just fun you had a suspected bulging disc yeah well it's it's definitely something up with it but it's better now so to to take it like like we were competing like like a

175:36UFC title it was it was a play SP in your garage for shits and giggles you can't read that though man you can't you're reading the comments you can't read those that's like opening yourself up to the retards of the world like hey retards how do you what do you how do you feel I should uh govern my life what should I do differently like you you don't know anything you loser you should kill yourself loser go eat some eat dicks you just can't you can't listen to that yeah I remember I think I sent you a private message about two weeks later going dude how do you how do you put up with it and you said you said just don't don't read it yeah how the did that guy get to be a world champion if he was Spa with me bro I'd open him up bro and people were correcting your Technique it was hilarious like you just please shut the up see there there was a segment of

176:25you showing me a particular combination and someone was saying that you were showing it wrong oh yeah I was reading that and I was like what am I reading this for what am I what am I doing I'm I'm not even taking my own advice and meanwhile if you if you found that guy he probably weighs six pounds he's in his mom's basement in his own pants like who knows who you're listening when you read a sentence on the the internet and it starts with a letter and it ends with a period it looks like a normal person wrote it and you just read it like if you wrote a sentence or if he wrote a sentence or some crazy dude who has no grasp of reality at all it still looks the same because it's a sentence and you don't know like when you read someone's opinion you don't know what the what's that guy like like that's the thing about opinions if you there's always guys and you know them everybody

177:13knows them there's always guys in the gym that'll see someone and they probably don't know what the they're doing but they'll see someone hitting the bag or they see someone doing a technique and they'll come over and correct them right there's always those morons you know there's a million of those morons right well when you meet that guy and you know he's an idiot and you know that guy from the gym you can just go oh Mike is the guy who gave you advice listen Mike's Mike's half he got shot in the head when he was two you know what I mean like there's there's a difference between that and like seeing the guy's written words like it's the beautiful thing about the internet is that anybody can say anything they can just that you you you you have a full open free forum for expressing yourself but the reality is if you have a million people okay at least 1% of those people are going to be

178:03out of their Mone at least 1% so if you got a hundred people that's one person but if you got a million people or a 100 million people look at the United States 300 million people how many of those people are out of their mind it's at least 3 million at least it's 3 million douchebags that are leaving comments on YouTube and they're getting John Wayne par to talk about them yeah yeah I was right it was right he could say it all you want your techniques dog bro I don't know how you got to be a world champion bro not not on my watch you ain't pulling that with me I'll tell you what that's what you're going to get man it's the world the world we live in it's a World though it's beautiful and it's chaos and it's it's fun but you got to I think we're all learning how to navigate this world in the world of comments on like I have friends that won't go on the

178:59Underground anymore you know Fighters they just won't go they go I can't it hurts my feelings they go I'll read what people are saying about me and it hurts me like it only hurts you if you don't know that if you if you knew that guy wouldn't hurt you you know if you were around him when he was saying that you'd be like oh you're a idiot you're an idiot with a typewriter you get the type Keys oh okay I get it but you don't get it when you see just a sentence a sentence it looks like a normal person wrote that um Sanchez read on wrote on Twitter saying um you bag me out but I bet if we met in person you'd be the first one to ask my for my autograph oh it's true they would say that to him yeah they talk all kinds of with him how can you talk about Diego Sanchez that guy has given more people the most crazy holy entertainment Diego's had more wild chaotic

179:49filled rounds and wild moments in MMA that wins fights in the third round when he's losing the first two rounds he's got his face hanging off and he doesn't give a and he still Comes Out Swinging you have to be a real piece of to talk bad about that guy real piece of and Melendez that third round was still that's still one of my favorite rounds how you dropped and win an uppercut in the third round after losing those first two rounds drops him almost has him out same thing with Jake Ellenberger back drop back man dude Diego's a warrior that guy's out my respect forever he's so crazy the Martin campman fight same thing first two rounds losing his face is falling off in the third round he's chasing Martin campman down crazy yeah yeah yeah you got to got to respect war is it's cool yeah I mean it's just there's a bunch of disrespectful out there and just do you think do you think it's

180:43because of the um with myai for instance uh we have a culture it's very Buddhism and it's very C and everything the whole business of this and that well explain that that means what you're saying uh yeah it's putting most of these people listening to this they clas their hands together in prayer yeah it's it's a way of showing that I'm unarmored that's the original instead of shaking hands the ties and then the males aren't touching the females either it's more of a it's a it's a real humility and a real honest appreciation of each other and then uh so they have this Century old culture whereas MMA is so Tap Out ridden uh Budweiser uh just so the the fans are it's a different sort of culture do you believe it's sort of well that bro dude was frowned upon in Taekwondo I mean I I grew up in Taekwondo and which is very I always spoke to my instructor I called him sir or Mister it was either

181:43Mr Kim or sir you know he said when he said something to me there was no question it was always yes sir and it was always it was this bowing respect type admiration that you had for your instructor and for fellow competitors and that was that's a big part of what martial arts is is is respect for each other on the other hand I like the talking I like like what Conor McGregor does I like the just bleed guy in the audience going it's fun too but I think you lose something where there's a there's a beautiful respect to Muay Thai and there another thing about mu Thai is the audiences are respectful when you go to those events like you very rarely hear stupid being yelled at even though people are drinking there's there's a Applause for both the winner and the loser there's a a tremendous amount of respect that's involved in it because because it's not that popular and

182:33because it's not mainstream those people in the audience have a a deep appreciation for the art of Muay Thai yeah they're hardcore they're there for a reason because they want to see it it's not like it's on TV and they're just watching it for the sake of watching it they're there because they want to be there yeah that's the only reason it's not a scene it's like they're there to see mu Thai yeah and then um yeah the the MMA culture is just well there's a lot of posing and fake and just and I mean my friends I I'll get my friends tickets you know and they'll go to the fights and they'll sit beside some guys like what is he I'm telling him do the kick I'm telling you know they people just yell out advice and they get drunk and they're stupid and they're posing because they're in Secure so they're drunk at these events and they're trying to pretend that they know

183:21more than the fighter know or yeah it's overwhelming I'm hoping that the human race survives this era I mean I'm really hoping that we just this internet era enlightens us to our douchy ways and we just we just slowly but surely Rise From the Ashes of what we've created but I don't know when I read comments I get confused you listen my brother we just did 3 hours we're out of time s 9:00 holy this is the John Wayne par experience M thank you my brother anytime man open invitation please my pleasure anytime and next time in town let's train some more let's do it again lot of fun lot of fun when are you going to be around again you have any plans uh I'm talking to Hans I'm talking to Scott Ken uh hopefully I'll be back sooner and later oh you they have to have you back man have and next time you come back we'll uh make sure probably try to get you in before too so people can tune

184:14in and know that the fight is coming John Wayne par ladies and gentlemen follow him on Twitter John Wayne par on Twitter cage cage tha.com Tha December the 5th I'm cus so yeah Cyrus sorus not whoever that other guy is that he invented Cyrus Washton Black Dynamite should be a lot of fun and can people watch that online or anything yes I'm going to have a it'll it'll uh fight tv.com fv.com I will tweet it I'll let you guys know about it December 5th thank you my brother I really appr much thank you than all right folks we'll be back tomorrow until then be nice to each other bye-bye all right