Daniele Bolelli

00:14Ladies and gentlemen, the drunken Taoist himself, Daniele Bolelli. My friend, how are you? Pleasure and honor to be here again. Always a pleasure and honor to have you here, brother. How's it going? If you hear anything in the background, some giggling, Daniele's beautiful little daughter is here. Babysitting plans didn't work out, so we'll make it happen. But I'll feel weird about swearing, so that's all right. Well, you should see what comes out of her mouth on a regular basis. Yeah, my daughter gives me a hard time, or my wife, rather, gives me a hard time for swearing in front of our daughters. There's like some period where there's a certain point in time where you're not allowed to swear. When they hit like 18, you can say whatever the fuck you want. But anything before then, people get a little squirrely. Of course. No, but it's hilarious because, you know, you can't help it.

01:00You know, you're going to listen to some music. You're going to, not even crazy stuff, but like, oh, yeah, she liked Katy Perry at some point. And so I'm like, okay, whatever. You listen to your song. And then she was, still a couple of years ago, she was tiny. And she goes into school and she starts singing to her teacher. And her teacher is like, oh, cute song. You have such a beautiful voice. And she started going like, you PMS like a bitch. I should know. And I was like, no, no, no. Please don't say that. Do you know the PC police is trying to take the word bitch out of our vernacular? Bitch is the latest one. Bitch is the new retard. Retard. I won't let go of retard. I don't care what you say. It's not a medical term. It's, no. It's to retard is to slow down, is to be behind the curve. To be retarded is to be slow. It has nothing to do with Down syndrome or any diseases.

01:53I may have to abandon it eventually. But for right now, I'm fucking staying strong. I'm staying strong with retard and I'm staying strong with bitch. And what's bad with bitch exactly? Well, it's some derogatory term for females. It's part of the patriarchy. Don't you understand? You know, you don't understand because you're a white male. You need to check your privilege, Mr. Bolelli. Have you not checked your privilege? Oh, God. Yeah, I saw your tweet about checking your privilege. I was thinking about checking my privilege yesterday. I didn't, though. I thought about it. I thought about checking my privilege. What the fuck does that even mean? It's a way that people can silence you. I mean, that's essentially what it is. I mean, the idea behind it has some merit. You know, the idea that there are people that have privilege in life and they need to understand that.

02:41I think it's a valid term when you're talking about minorities and poor people and people on welfare and people in foreign countries that have, you know, no health care and they're poor. I believe, support 100% that. But it gets used as a crutch to silence people. It gets used as a crutch for people who lack the intellectual vigor to engage in an honest debate and discussion. They say, you need to check your privilege. I love watching videos of people that are really not that bright, but they're, like, getting involved in those debates. And they have that weapon. Check your privilege. It's like a fighter that doesn't really know how to box but has an awesome overhand right. Yeah. And they just swing that overhand right. The other boxer's like, bitch, get out of here with that overhand right. I didn't see that shit coming a mile away. Check your privilege. Oh, not that easy. Your fucking argument sucks.

03:35No, and I mean, I get it because there are the people who are, oh, you know, we live in a colorblind society. Everything. There is no more racism. We can all be equal. And if you are trying to argue anything but you are a reverse racist, then I can see how some of these guys are dicks themselves because they are, is, like, ignoring the fact that there's a whole history behind it. And when they say, we start the race evenly, it's like, well, somebody has their shoestrings tied together from 50 years of bullshit. No, for 10, 50, way more. And so it's like, no, there is no even race. That's bullshit. But at the same time, when you turn it into everything is about what happened 200 years ago, it's like, come on, man. It's like, it's a fine balance there. There's a website that, a Twitter handle that I don't, I don't follow them on Twitter because I don't want them to know that I follow them.

04:21But what I did is bookmark them and I go to her page all the time. And her thing is about being child free. Hashtag child free. And I mean this woman's entire fucking Twitter feed is all about how happy she is that she doesn't have a child. And it's one of those, you know, me thinks thou dost protest too much. You know, it's like when you go to it, it's like, oh my God, is this your whole existence? Is like being happy that you don't have a child? Like this is so bizarre. It's a bizarre hang up. But that bizarreness is a, that's a characteristic of human beings. Like they can get caught up in a bunch of different weird ways of thinking. And one of them can be just fucking meandering on and on constantly about racial issues. Oh yeah, of course. You know, and it works. By the way, have you seen Al Sharpton's girlfriend? Jesus Louisa. Really? Oh my God. That good. Oh my God. She's a fucking 10.

05:21I mean, a young 10 with her arms around this crusty old dinosaur fucking suitcase pimp. How old is Al Sharpton? He's dead. Yeah, seriously. Officially dead. I don't know. He's fucking thousand. He's a thousand and fifty. He's disgusting. But he's just a creep. He's just a suitcase pimp. You know, he's just one of those guys. He's just a hustler. He figured out his way through that Tawana Brawley case where it was some false rape accusation. He was blaming all these white people. It's again, it's the same thing. It's a race pimp. Look at her. Kapow! Ooh! Ah! E! And that's just one picture. By the way, this is a weird thing that happens with people's heads when they lose weight. You know, when people get really fat, their heads get big. That's Al Sharpton now? That's Al Sharpton now. He lost a lot of weight. He had his stomach stapled. And that's only one photo of her. She's 35. Yee-haw! Yee-haw! Good for Al. Damn. Yeah.

06:19What do they talk about? Crayons? Shit. She's not that young, actually. 35 is pretty. She's a stylist. She's beautiful. Somebody is not watching their little show. Somebody is sitting in Daniele Bolelli's lap. What are we doing? Are we watching little Krishna where Krishna kills demons or not? She's done, dude. Can I say hi to everybody? Because I'm really scared. Okay. I'll hug you the whole time. How about that? That's why I'm like, my new mom's right there. Okay. You can sit in my lap, watch your show. This will be the first show ever where a little kid is here during the podcast. Yeah, that should be. You're so cute, I'm going to have to let it slide. I'm going to have to. Just this one time. You sure you don't want to watch TV or anything? What time? What time? Well, right now it is 1.10. You can watch TV if you want. Do you want to? She's watching her show more or less. Let's see how that goes. Yeah.

07:16When my daughter was three, it's one of the cutest moments ever. My daughter was three when we went skiing. I took them skiing when one daughter was two and the other one was four. That's how I started them skiing. Yeah, I just think it's good to just get kids doing shit as much as possible. That's great. I take them to dance class and gymnastics and I teach martial arts. Awesome. But I think it's good to just get them used to traveling, get them used to doing things. But when she was three, we were putting all the stuff into her little bag. It's just a little bag she carries when we travel. And she likes to pull her own bag. And she didn't have her helmet in the bag. And she had everything zipped up. And right when she finished zipping it up, I'm like, honey, you didn't put your helmet in. And she goes, shit.

08:01It's just something so adorable about a three-year-old going, and my wife and I were just like, oh, no, she didn't. I mean, the thing is, kids are going to do it, right? So what happens is, the deal that I struck with her was, I don't care if you do it around me. I get it. Hell, I do it too. But there are places where you do it, places where you don't. At school, around other kids, in front of your teachers, no. At home. So one day, we're driving home from school and she let slip up something like that, where she goes, shit. Shit. And I'm like, is? What? And she looked at me and was like, don't worry. I don't say it at school. I just say it here. And I'm like, okay, that's fair. And so she sees that she had to go ahead. And so she went, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. Kind of got it out of her system. And that was that. Yeah. It's tricky.

08:50Because it's totally acceptable for adults in normal, rational conversations. Right. But, you know, it's not in certain circles. It's just so... That whole thing, the whole censorship and language thing is such a bizarre aspect of being a human being. These forbidden words that we use that essentially are interchangeable with words that are okay. Yeah. Like, what drives me crazy is when someone goes fricking. Oh, yeah. This fricking guy with his fricking thing. Like... I hate nuts. Whoa. What kind of bizarre corporate world. We live with Applebee's existence. Are we floating through here? Yeah. Fricking. No, it drives me nuts. I can't. It's weird. It's weird. And that's why, I mean, I don't overdo it. If I can check it, I'll try. But I don't try to censor myself around in anything. Yeah. You know, in anything that I do. It's kind of like, this is how I am, right? This is... I'm not going to...

09:41Out of my way to make it extra weird. But I'm like, how I am is how I am. Yeah. And I like talking to kids. Not exactly like they are adults. Because obviously they aren't. Right. But at the same time, not treating them like they are fucking stupid. Right. Or you just treat them like, oh, Google, Gaga kind of stuff all day long. It's like, come on, man. Kids are way smarter than you give them credit to. And if you work with them like that from the get-go, they will surprise you time and time again with the stuff that they can say back to you. Oh, without a doubt. I remember when I was a little kid, people... I still to this day remember people treating me like I was a moron and talking to me stupid. And I remember thinking, God, when I have kids, I'm never talking to them like that. So I talk to my kids like they're my friends. Like I'm very sweet to them. Yep. I'm very nice. And I'm like very understanding.

10:26If they're crying about something that doesn't make any sense. But when I explain something to them, I explain it to them like an adult. Yep. I know their head's only that big. So can't possibly be as smart as me. But they're smart, man. They are. My six-year-old can read now. Wow. Which is interesting because I had a shirt on the other day that said nine fucking oranges. Because I had this bit in my act that's based on a true story where I had my power cut off in my house because I didn't pay my bill back when I was young. I was very responsible. I wasn't even broke. I just didn't pay my bill. And so the guy came by and turned the power on. Seemed like a nice guy. And after he turned the power on, I go, hey, man, I had an orange tree in this yard of this house I was renting. And I go, if you want, I go, grab one of those oranges, man. I go, they're really delicious. And he goes, oh, okay, thanks.

11:14So the guy goes out there and he takes nine fucking oranges. And I swear to God, man, I was 20, I want to say maybe 26, 27 at the time. That was 20 years ago. And to this day, sometimes I'm in my car and I'll be driving around. I'll just go, nine fucking oranges. And I talked about it on stage. And it's really true. It is a true story. And so this dude gave me this t-shirt at one of my shows. It just said nine fucking oranges. Did he make it just for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it had oranges on it. I wish I had it on right now. That's great. But I wore it for one of the shows. One podcast I wore it for. But anyway, I brought it home. And my daughter goes, I know what that says. That's a bad word. Is that a bad word? That's a bad word. You're the bastard. Well, I didn't even know she knew that word. First of all. I mean, she's your daughter. Come on. Once in a time. My wife runs a tight ship. Really?

12:12I try to keep it very PG. Sure. You can try only once. But there are ties. I remember when she was two or something where I dropped something. And for the rest of the day, she went on repeating duck, duck, duck. And I'm like, I'm glad you think it's a duck what I said. Yes, duck. That's what I said when I dropped it. But it's like, there's no way you can avoid it. No. There's no way. It's impossible. Yeah, there it is. Brian Callen. Brian Callen and I. Nine fucking oranges. You see, the fucking is covered by my name. Nice. That is what I said. That was when Brian Callen and I got back from hunting. That one was? That was before hunting? Before 58s, after, yeah. Yeah. We did two podcasts in a row. One before and one after hunting. We went up to this island, Prince of Wales, in the middle of Alaska. Terrible trip. Really? Why? It was beautiful, though. It was beautiful. It was a great trip.

13:09It was just unsuccessful hunting trip. But there was, what was great about it was, when I came back home, I really appreciated civilization. Oh, yeah. I really, we slept in a tent. It was wet. Everything was wet. Sleeping bag was wet. It was just, it was miserable. It was like 40 degrees. Just, it's poured every day. It was so much humidity that like, inside the tent, like I would turn, I had this little miners light kind of thing, like a forehead light. I'd turn it on and you'd see the entire tent was filled with little floating beads of water. There was just that much humidity in there. When did you guys go? Was it summer? It was the first week of October. It was too late. Yeah, it's late. Yeah. It was too late for the area that we were hunting in because the deer had already moved down. We were at the top where the water is, where the lakes are, and the deer had already moved down.

13:57There's water up there, lakes that have no fish. Giant lakes. There are lakes that are only there because of rainwater. Wow. Giant lakes of rainwater. And you drink it because there's no beavers. Right. You just dip your thing right in the water. We drink right out of the lake. That's beautiful in itself. It is beautiful. It is. It's amazing in that sense. Like I was prepared for diarrhea every day. I bet. But it never came. They were saying if you get giardia, like you wouldn't get giardia, but giardia comes from animal poop. And the only way you would get that is if there was a beaver up there. But you could like run into a bear and a bear could have pooped in there. Yeah, exactly. You could have got some bear poop in your mouth. Yeah. That would be. Yeah. I can see how things could be more fun. Yeah. But it's such an enormous lake. The odds of you getting any substantial amounts.

14:40I mean, the reality is, unfortunately, we're constantly getting fecal matter and dirt and stuff in your body. And like, even if you're a person who only eats plants, they say that one of the best ways that vegans get vitamin B12 is from bugs that they inadvertently eat that are on their food. Yeah. Which is kind of hilarious. I had that the other day. I handed out this glass of wine to this lovely lady. And she grabbed it. And she was about to sip it. And she looked. And she's like, oh, there's a bug inside. And she handed it back to me. And I think I was already buzzed enough that I took a look at it. And I was like, just shrug my shoulder and down the bug and wine. And it was tasty. It was nice. Bugs don't taste nearly as bad as people think they do. Take it from me. From my days at Fear Factor, I've eaten quite a few bugs. It's more in your head than it is anything.

15:31I mean, I wouldn't go for like nasty, weird looking cockroach from outer space kind of thing. But you know, little bugs, whatever. No big deal. I ate a Madagascar hissing cockroach. It's like the size. Remember pagers? That's serious. It's about the size of a pager. That's. Giant Madagascar hissing cockroach, I think they're referred to. That's pretty gross right there. It's not bad, man. No. It was. I guess, you know what it is? It's not the thing itself. It's what it has crawled through. It's all in your head. Yeah. It really is all in your head. Well, it's crawled through. Yeah. Disgusting. But the ones that we got, they were raised in a farm. You know, they were raised for movies and stuff like that. And for show business. Oh, wow. It's really. In that case, pass on the cockroaches and let's have a snack. Isn't that amazing that there's so many cockroaches?

16:15There's so much of a need for cockroaches that there's someone who raises them for television shows? That I've never heard before. It's crazy. That's interesting right there. And they would have millions of them, man. These guys had like vats of cockroaches. Wow. Yeah. But I was around them so often, it just became nothing. Right. And I watched people eat them and, you know, I forget what it was. Oh, it was one of the girls from a soap opera. It was like a celebrity fear factor. And I made her a deal that if she ate one of the cockroaches to move on, that I would eat a cockroach. Right. And she wouldn't even eat a cockroach. She ate a worm instead. Like, I would rather eat a roach than a worm. Yeah. I don't know. About even in my book. See, a worm, I think, is filled with dirt. Yeah, probably. I mean, they eat dirt. But then again, a cockroach is not exactly, you know, rubbing himself day and night and

17:03taking showers. I'm telling you, eating it was like, it was very, like, no taste at all. It was very mild. It exploded in my mouth and I crunched it. But it was very mild. Really? Like, if I had to, if I was starving, I would eat. Oh, yeah. I would eat a bowl of those things. No problem. If you're starving. Yeah. I don't think there are too many things that one doesn't eat. Yeah. It's like. It makes you gag a little just because it just feels gross in your mouth. Yeah. But the reality of, like, the actual flavor of it, it's not that bad. Not too bad. Nice. It's not. No worries. Yeah. People are saying that in other countries that bugs are becoming, like, a viable form of protein. Oh, yeah. They say it's really clean protein. It's less fattening than most other type of protein. So, yeah. If you can get over the, oh, this is gross, it's supposed to be actually good for you. Yeah. Probably. Not just less fat.

17:56I mean, how much fat is in a bug? Yeah. I would imagine next to nothing. Yeah. I mean, they're super lean, right? Yep. Yep. So. They even have, like, cricket, like, snacks that you can buy at, like, hiking places. They sell, like, these cricket bars. I've done that before. There was a friend of mine. Is that her sound coming out of her ears? Okay. Earbuds? It's too loud. I was wondering what that was. I thought maybe someone was outside cranking music. One of these things fell off her ear and I need to just. Okay. You can listen to the other one. I'll just plug this one up. She's so adorable. It's all right, man. Yeah. I had that before with a friend of mine was from Oaxaca, Mexico. And so one of their traditional thing, they will have these entire plates filled with crickets. And, you know, he didn't grow up there. He grew up out here, right? His parents were all into that stuff.

18:44So one day he's like, I have to try, I have to try. He orders it at his Oaxacan restaurant and he just look at it and I can see he's about to throw up like any second now, right? He's just like, and I'm like, come on, it's not that bad. And I have to say, I ate them. I mean, you can eat them, but I can think of about 10,572 things that are better than that. They are not the tastiest thing in the world. And they look at you, you know, they are not that tiny. So they have their eyes that you can clearly see. I'm crunching on some cricket eye right now. But why is that? Why is that gross? But like a lobster is okay. No, I feel, I mean, there are some stuff that I agree with you. Some things are, it's total social conditioning, you know, it's nothing else. You just brought up with the idea that that's normal and then it's normal, but otherwise it's not. It's just as weird as a bunch of other stuff. Yeah.

19:35Because I mean, essentially like crabs and lobsters and crustaceans, they're really like bugs. They're bugs that just live in the ocean. They're water bugs. And lobster are one of the few things that I can't quite, I mean, the whole thing of boiling them alive, that fills me out. Really? I mean, other stuff is like, I have no problem, you know, it's like the hunting thing. You know, you go out, you hunt, an animal is free, has a good life. You kill them, you eat them. Totally make perfect sense to me. Boiling alive something actually involving torture to make sure that you get to eat it. I feel like I can eat something else, you know, I can eat. And again, it doesn't have to be a vet. I can eat. I have no problem with the whole eating meat thing or hunting or any of that. I feel that the degree of pain part is like, come on, man.

20:19Well, if it makes you feel better, they say that lobsters lack the nerve endings to feel pain. Really? Yeah. Well, they also regenerate limbs. So if a lobster loses a leg, it just grows back. In that case, bring on the lobster. Yeah. So if you really wanted to humanely eat lobster, you just hack their arms off and they just keep letting them grow their arms back. Interesting. And then eat only their claws. You could do that. It would work. I don't know how long it would take to regenerate a claw, but they regenerate the same way like crocodiles do. They regenerate as well. Some lizards do. I remember when I was a kid, I went to my maternal grandfather's house by the seaside. And, you know, I would hardly ever see him. So it was kind of a new thing. And it was already weird enough. And one day, I'm thirsty. I wake up in the middle of the night. I go to the fridge. I open the fridge.

21:08And this fucking giant lobster jump out of the fridge and start running away because he had captured it and he kept it there alive. And I was like, what the hell is this? Freak the hell out of me forever. That's the weird thing about lobsters is that they live in the ocean, but you can ship them in a box. Oh, yeah. And they don't even have to be in water. And they get to you like from Maine and they're alive. Yep. Yep. Like every day in Vegas, they have lobsters shipped in from Maine to their restaurants. It's like, how the hell? Like, what are these things? Like, they don't even have to breathe? I know. Like, how many days can they go without breathing? I have no idea, but it's freaky. It's definitely freaky. Yeah, it's as freaky as it comes. She needs some sort of a television show for this to work. There is a television show right there. But she's not watching it. She's just not watching it.

21:57It's more interesting to interrupt us. We should have worked this out, man. I would have brought my kids over and then could have had a little party. I know. And we just would have heard yelling and fucking play next door. I've been wild and crazy over there. Yeah, I don't know what it feels. But the one thing I do know is when you throw a lobster in the water and the water boils, they try to get out. Yeah. So I'm not buying it. Yeah, I don't buy it either. It sounds a little weird to me. It's like a convenient thing that people say. Yeah. It's like, no, they don't feel anything. They like it, actually. It's like a sauna to them. You know, it's like they have this pleasant sauna. And all of a sudden they die peacefully and go to lobster heaven. They hear music. Yeah. They hear music and they just expire. They want to go to their dead relative lobster who has been in your pot before.

22:40And they are united in lobster heaven and all is well. Well, one thing that is interesting about like prey animals like deer and antelope and stuff is that they believe now that like when an antelope gets captured by like a lion or something like that, that when the lion bites down on it, that its brain floods with chemicals and it almost sort of gives up. Yeah. Like it kicks a little bit, but it just sort of gives up. Yeah. And it doesn't fight like say as if like if a lion captured like a predator, you know, some other predator. Right. Like a leopard or something like that. They would fight for their, they would go crazy and make screaming noises and everything like that. But antelopes are just like, oh, this is just my place in the world. I'm the prey. I got caught. Okay. I'll check out next life. We'll try again. See you soon. I'm going to come back as a giraffe for some shit.

23:29What's your take on that kind of stuff? Do you, do you actually semi believe in reincarnation? What's your take? Um, I don't not believe in it because I think the idea of life itself is so bizarre. The idea that we have a soul, that we have consciousness, that we can see through our eyes, that we navigate with sound and feel and memory. I mean, it's so, so, so bizarre that reincarnation is not outside of the question. I don't, I don't know if there is such a thing as a soul. I don't know what this life is. I don't know like, does this life, is this a finite experience where you, you're born and then you die? Or are you drifting in and out of parallel experiences every time you go to sleep and wake up? I mean, are you on the same timeline constantly? When you wake up and you have this memory of your existence in this life that you, are you sure that that's exactly how everything goes?

24:27I mean, just because all the people in your life seem to think that that's how everything goes. How do you know that you didn't go to bed last night with a totally different existence and wake up with a memory of this life that you're living right now? Just completely embedded in your head. We don't know. So that's like the famous, uh, Chuan Su and the butterfly, right? The whole, uh, uh, Taoist, the sage, Chuan Su was all like, uh, they asked him about his dream and he say, yeah, this dream that I was a butterfly, but now I'm puzzled. Cause I don't remember anymore. I don't know if I'm really Chuan Su and I was dreaming that I was a butterfly or if I'm actually a butterfly. And this is the butterfly's dream thinking that she's Chuan Su. And, uh, that's like the paradox of you never fucking know, right? Yeah. You never fucking know.

25:09I had a really intense dream once that was so realistic that to this day it haunts me because I was some sort of an animal like a wolf or something along those lines. And we were sneaking up on this deer and the deer heard like a branch snap or a leaf move and I could smell fear. And I remember smelling fear, like smelling the tingling in this animal's body as it was thinking about bolting, as it was wondering whether or not it heard anything. And I also remember smelling water. I could smell the water that was dripping. And then I woke up. I remember thinking like, what the fuck is going on? Because I remember there was other similar animals near me, some wolf-like animals near me. And we were like communicating without words in some sort of strange, primitive way. It was a very short dream, but I woke up. But I remember thinking, wow, that was an intensely realistic experience.

26:06Because I didn't feel like while it was going on, I wasn't like, oh, I'm a person that thinks it's a wolf. You know, it was like I was in this animal's mind. Of course, it could easily be imagination. Sure. But then again, it's some of those dreams. I know exactly what you mean, because some of the things are weird. There's stuff that I know what I've experienced. And then sometimes there's something that clicks in that is like, this is not part of my life. This is what I'm feeling right now is way beyond the range of my experience. This is not part of the game. And that's what I find. I find it trippy. You know, I find it really interesting. Like, you ever see the movie Legends of the Fall? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I really like the movie. I could only watch it one time and I could never watch it again. Why? Because it freaked the hell out.

26:51There was one scene where if you guys haven't watched Legends of the Fall and you plan to do it, skip the next minute because I'm going to give spoilers. Spoiler alert! Spoiler from one movie from 20 years ago. Exactly right. Not exactly a big spoiler, but there's that scene where Brad Spitt's brother got killed in World War I. Yeah. He goes berserk and he kind of goes behind enemy lines. And the next scene you see is you see coming back into camp and he's covered in blood. He has German scalps all over him and he's walking through the camp and everybody's opening up to let him go through. Nobody's saying a word. There's this sense of... And there's the sense about him that he's kind of larger than life. He has done this crazy thing of going single-handedly again, killing probably 10, 15 guys, something insane. And yet there's this sense of extreme sadness. And yet there's this sense of extreme sadness.

27:44Like all that power, all that warrior ability doesn't give him what he truly needs, which is to get back his loved ones. You know, that... Right. And I think about it. I'm like, where do I know that feeling? You know, 20 years ago, whenever I saw Legends of the Fall, I mean, there's nothing in my life to mirror that, not even a tiny bit. Well, the imagination is such a wonderful, incredible thing. It's just, it's so impossible to really understand the boundaries of the imagination. And people can imagine memories. I mean, there's been moments where people have been talked into remembering things by, like, through experiments, like through with, you know, someone would counsel them and give them a memory of the past and then coach them through this memory and then time will go on and they'll think that that was a real memory. Oh, yeah. And what is that?

29:08I mean, the imagination itself is such a bizarre aspect of being a human being. The ability to, like, this wolf thing that I had in my mind. Essentially, that was my imagination. I mean, the only other option is, what is it? The suppressed memory from my genetics from a long time ago when I was some sort of an animal. But, you know, I mean, the idea of evolution is essentially that human beings in 2014 are the result of millions of years of change, of natural selection, of all these different slow processes that have led us to being this thing that we are today. But this thing has a direct link to whatever the fuck survived from that gigantic asteroid that hit the Yucatan and was, what, some, what, one and a half miles deep? Right. Like, slam, I think it was like five, no, five miles deep into the earth within the first second and a half. Killed everything.

30:10Everything larger than, you know, I think McKenna used the term a chicken. Everything larger than a chicken. So, just like, as a point of reference. And just weird little mammals, rat things survived. So, somehow or another, from 65 million years ago, those weird little rat things that survived became us. Everything you see around. Yeah, exactly. All the mammals around us, us, and everything else. Yeah. What is, you know, but there's no direct chain to any wolves. There's no direct chain to any, I mean, even the lower hominids, even the ones that ate meat. They weren't on all four. They weren't. So, there's no, I have no past with wolves. No. So, if that's the case, like, what is that thing? Is that just total imagination? Is it just the psychedelic chemicals that flood your brain during heavy REM sleep just creating a beautiful image for you to try to conceptualize and wrap your head around?

31:09Or are you drifting in and out of realities? Right. Are you, I mean, are you a monkey one day, you know? And then you go to sleep, you wake up, and you're Daniele Bolelli. You have your life, and everything is normal. But were you a monkey yesterday? Right. Well, probably some would argue that I'm a monkey right now, but. Well, everybody argues that I am. I mean, it's obviously one of those stoner conversations that you have. Like, how do you know? Not that we would know anything about that. I would know. I don't know what you're saying. Yeah. But those conversations are so common. Like, how do you know that, you know, when you go to bed and you wake up in the morning, you're the same person. But you don't know. And that's the weird thing about going to bed is that everyone wants to do it. Everyone wants to sleep, and everyone's scared to die.

31:58Everyone wants to shut off temporarily, but no one wants to shut off permanently. Oh, yeah. This is a very, very odd existence. Because, you know, if there were any guarantees, if truly people, that's why I don't really buy a lot of the religious people who think they say, I believe in this afterlife, this and that. It's like, if you really did, you would be way more relaxed about a lot of things in life because you wouldn't have that fear of that. It's like, what do I have to be afraid of? There's nothing to be afraid of. It would be cool. It's like, great. You know, I do my thing here. Whenever I check out, I check out, and I go to this other cool place. Everything is great. There's no reason to fear. The fact that people are obviously not thrilled with the notion of dying makes me think that they don't believe it half as much as they actually do. Well, belief systems are very strange.

32:42It can really seem, in your mind, to be absolutely real, and you will explain these beliefs to someone else, and they will tell you that you're an idiot. Like, I was on a set once. I was doing this thing, and I was talking to this girl and her sister. They seemed totally normal. And then the girl, I don't remember what we were talking about. It had something to do with gay people. I don't remember what it was. It was something, like, about gay marriage or gay people. They were talking about how the woman was saying that it's a sin. And I thought she was joking. I really thought she was joking. Because it was a set, like a television set. She's like, well, it's a sin. I was like, yeah, it's a sin. And then I realized she was serious. And I go, so you think that God created people that are gay, and then did it, like, as a goof? Like a trick? Like, what is that? And she goes, no, no, no. You don't understand.

33:39She said, the devil's scales are covering your eyes. Wow. And I said, the devil's scales are covering my eyes. I'll never forget that term. That's... The devil's scales. I didn't know the devil had scales. That's when you know it's time to run. No, no, no. I mean, she was friendly. She was just, who knows, man? Who knows? It was this girl and her sister. And the girl, the one that I was originally talking to, seemed totally normal. But her sister was just out to lizzanch. Right. And that's... The devil's scales are covering your eyes. Wow. What? And it was just about gay people. Yeah. That's... No. Yeah. That's quite freaky right there. Yeah, but it's like people pick and choose shit, man. All the time. I know this dude who's really religious, but he has religious tattoos. Like, motherfucker, you gotta read the whole Bible. You're not supposed to have it. Right, exactly. You gotta read all of it.

34:36You're not supposed to tattoo yourself. But that's why, in fact, to me, it's like when people say either they are pro or against any one religion, to me it's silly because it's like when somebody tells me they are Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever that may be, he's not telling me anything, really, because as you say, people pick and choose what they want out of that. So one guy's way of being Christian is totally awesome. Yeah. They're gonna be super nice people and their belief system helps them being nicer people. Yeah. The next guy, their way of being Christian, because they pick and choose the crappiest part out of the Bible, is scary as hell. And their way of being Christian is run for your life, you know? Yeah. So to me, the label itself, I'm not interested in arguing about whether one religion is good

35:17or bad, because the reality is that every one of them, you're gonna find at least some good part. In some, there's a lot more than in others, but you're gonna find at least a little bit that's good in just about everything. And you're gonna find also tons of crap. Mm-hmm. I'm interested in which parts you pick and how those parts inform your behavior. How do you behave based on your beliefs? That's what interests me. Yeah. It's like the idea of drugs. Like all drugs are not just drugs. The idea is like, you know, I'm a religious person or I'm a Christian. Right. Well, Fred Phelps was a Christian. Right. And then there's like Rupert Sheldrake is also a Christian. You know, there's two very different ideologies at work here, but they're both calling themselves Christian. Yeah. And Fred Phelps is just this evil, mean, creepy old fuck that eventually died, just rotted in his own filth and fucking anger. Yep.

36:11That's exactly how it is. That's why to me, even the whole anti-religious view of the world sometimes gets too dramatic because it's like, oh, Christians are terrible. Muslims are all evil. It's like, do you really think every single one out of millions of people who belong to those things, they are all bad people? Right. It's like, there's the nice lady who picked the parts that are all about being nice to your neighbor and charity and whatever. And that's her way of being Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever the hell it is. Yeah. And it's awesome. And there's nothing wrong with it. And it's actually pleasant. And I'm sure it actually helps her life. Other beliefs. Yes, those are scary. And anybody going by those beliefs, then you see it in action. And it's not helping a lady cross the street. It's chopping people's head off because they don't believe the same thing you do. That's where you get.

36:59That's the freaky part. But I don't even care what it's. People, again, always argue about which one is the one who does all this shit. And it's not even just religious alone. Because if you look at like communist dictatorship, Nazis, they've all done it in the name of it's totalitarianism. You know, it's that idea of everybody needs to live according to my way of life. And anybody who doesn't need to be squashed. That's the scary thing. Regardless of which label is attached to it, regardless of which set of clothes it's decided to wear is the same shit. Yeah, ideologies are problematic because when you force yourself into a framework, you force yourself into a pattern, anything that's outside of that framework is automatically not to be considered. And when you have rigid thinking, anytime you have a really, except rigid thinking like, hey, you shouldn't rob people.

37:52Hey, you shouldn't go around stealing. You shouldn't go around stabbing people. You shouldn't, I mean, there's rigid things that in a sense that like are pretty clear cut. It makes sense because they're causing harm and there's, but there's also, there's ideologies that are just, you get locked into them and you're forced to think that way because of it. Like people that will tell you that this religion is correct because this religion is the truth. Like they'll, and they'll, they'll force themselves to like be stuck in that little box. Right. And you don't want to admit that you ever fucked up and lived 20 years of your life believing in some nonsense. So then you're stuck, you're stuck in this little box and that could be atheism just as much as it can be Christianity. Cause I've met a lot of atheists and I'm like, listen, you're in a religion.

38:37You're just in the religion called atheism and they like want you to proclaim that you're an atheist. Like I know this dude that's an atheist and like he gets upset if I say, I don't know, you know? Yeah. That to me is the most honest thing you can say is on a, about a lot about stuff of the universe is I don't know. Cause that's the reality of it. He hasn't had any really extreme psychedelic experiences either. He's had none. In fact, he's a very smart guy, but his ideas are like only based on his own personal experiences and what he's learned and what he's read. And he's a very smart person. He's very aware of religion, but he's like so adamant about proclaiming, proclaiming there is no God. And I'm like, look, dude, I have seen things on mushrooms that are way crazier than an old man with a book, checking your name in the cloud and leading you through pearly gates.

39:26And there's a bunch of people with wings. I've seen some shit that's way crazier than that. So that, I don't think that's real, but there's no evidence whatsoever in my, my estimation that that's, that exists. But the idea that there might be some universal consciousness that we want to describe as a God, and it's just, it's not this old man in the clouds wearing robes. It's just something maybe even beyond the realm of humanity, beyond the realm of the possibility of us understanding. I don't see any evidence for that, but I'm not, I'm not throwing it out. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if somebody is telling you some crappy fairy tale, that's obviously poorly written and it's bad screenwriting, it doesn't take a genius to figure out, okay, that's just bullshit and I can see it. But if you define God in some other way, then how the hell do you know that, you know, once

40:15you reject just the most basic, silly type of fairy tale, everything else is up for grabs because nobody really knows. I mean, the universe is, that's why to me, it's kind of hard to have the discussions about religions, even like the books I've written about religion, because usually people who don't like organized religion is because they are big fans of, you know, kind of a hardcore materialist worldview where it's all about what you can see and touch and nothing else exists. So then you write a book that pleases those guys and doesn't please the religious folks. That's great. You still have an audience. But if you argue for something more subtle, if you argue for something that's basically not dogmatic, either religiously dogmatic or in a hardcore materialistic form dogmatic, then you're shit out of luck in terms of fighting an audience because you are, there's no niche

41:02that you jump into right away, right? It's not just one simple, you know, there's those group of guys that are going to be right behind you. So you're asking people to be aware on a moment by moment basis. So rather than just simply, you know, buying into a dogma, spouting the ideology, spouting the this is what we believe, one, two, and three. You're asking people to live life without relying on a damn recipe that you apply at every little thing you run into. And instead you to use their nose to use their, I sniff the situation right now. I'm able to, uh, in this particular case, I'm going to do this thing in this other case, the same thing that work two minutes ago is not appropriate and is not the right thing to do. It's kind of like in fighting, you know, it's like, there's a rhythm to things. There's a timing to things.

41:50And going with a plan, a rigid plan, going with a plan is great, but going with a rigid plan that you're not going to change regardless of what's in front of you is the recipe for death. You know, you're going to screw up. Same thing. Why would life in general be any different? Rigidly applying this scheme to everything that comes your way. I mean, to me, real talent is, uh, is made able to judge things. We can hear that. Unfortunately, that her little ear buds are picking up on the, uh, the, the microphones. Okay. Let's try now. Are you sure you don't want to watch TV? That's ridiculous. My kids watch TV every chance they get because I don't want to watch TV. So I can always go, do you want to watch some TV? Like, yeah. That works, huh? Hook that up. That's the... Yeah. Yeah, this is... It's the greatest thing ever for travel, man.

42:39For travel, you put on one of those, uh, things behind the, the headset and people will go, oh, why do that? Why not have your kids, like, have a conversation with you? She's fucking four. Yeah. Right? That conversation only lasts so long, right? Not only that, there's like educational cartoons now. Yeah. There's cartoons that like teach them how to spell and teach them and they can sing along with it and learn, you know, phrases and words. Have you ever heard of, uh, well, there's atheism, obviously, but there's a thing called atheism plus. Have you ever heard of atheism plus? What's atheism plus? No tell. It's essentially a new religion. It's, uh, it's atheism plus a set of moral guidelines. I call it duh. Duh. This is why I call it duh. Because it's like, it's all be a good person. Right. But I just think that's duh, you know?

43:24And maybe like when it comes to things like racism and these sort of discussions or homophobia or any, any sort of discussion about, uh, inequality or treating people in a very negative way because of something that they can't control, like their sexual orientation or the way the skin they have, what color they are, what part of the world they're from. I think anybody who's a good person sees that in 2014 and recognizes that's a fucked up way to think. So these people, this atheism plus thing, they have like atheism. So they're all saying there's no God, there's no God, there's no God, but we want a set of moral guidelines to live our lives by no sexual harassment, the sexual harassment and feminist issues are a big aspect of that. Right. It's mostly a lot of like really weak men placating to a lot of like angry women and they, they

44:18formed this group where they all sort of get together and they have conferences and they just duh each other to death. They say duh. I mean, it's all just the same shit. It's like, it's all shit that you should already know. Right. Like don't be racist. Yes. Don't sexually harass women. Absolutely. Don't rape. Of course, you know, don't murder. Duh. You know, like, okay. Okay. How many times can we talk about this? I got a certain point. I've watched a bunch of their conferences online and it's hilarious. I bet. Because it's, it's so fucking pedantic at the end of like you, you get beaten to death by what they're fucking saying. It's like, you should already know this. Everyone should know this. This is, this is silly. And I think that depends on what audience you're speaking to. Cause you know, for anybody who's a semi decent human being should have learned this by the

45:05time they are five and it's like done and over with, are we still talking about it? Then of course there are a bunch of people who are not exactly semi decent human beings. So maybe for those guys is a good message, but I agree with you. It's like, to me, my thing is like, I've used this time and time again in podcasting and writing. I always write the whole idea that rules are for people who are too stupid to live without the rules. Cause you know, if you are smart, you don't need the damn rules because you know how to make the right call in every situation and you don't need anybody telling you, look, don't rape anybody. It's like, I don't need you to tell me I got it. You know, and in this situation and in the next and in the next, no, it's not going to apply. That's not that there's going to be the exception to the rule. Right. Right.

45:44Other things, there are going to be exceptions, but still you're going to have the intelligence to be able to make the right call is you are somebody who's coming to mug me. They may be punching you in the face is a good idea. You are somebody who's disagreeing with me, punching in the face. You're crazy. You are, you're a sociopath. You know, you don't need a rule telling you when is appropriate or not. You know, you, you are able to make the right call when it happens. Yeah. And that's where this freaking child is like. You're amazing that you can carry on a conversation with her squirming, crawling on you. This is not working out nearly as well as we were hoping it was going to. No, it's. We're hoping she was going to watch the television or watch their, her little video. Yeah. This is. I can do it. I mean, sorry for disturbing you. No. I deeply apologize. No, it's no worries, man.

46:30I honestly thought, yeah, I also had higher hopes than, than this. Then again, she's five. Yeah. That's my fault. Yeah. They just, they are what they are at five. Sometimes, you know, she surprised me because she'll do things that I'm like, really? How the hell? Like I had this conversation with her the other day where she's telling me, um, I don't like that. I'm so sensitive because every little thing, you know, I feel everything too much. And when I'm happy, I'm really happy. And when I'm sad, I'm really sad. And I'm like, you're five really? We're having this conversation. And then she goes even one step further. She goes, but you know what? It's okay. Because at least when I'm happy, I'm really super happy. So I'll take the pain of when I'm really sad. Wow. I'm thinking, Jesus, who are you again? Let's try this. So, you know, I get tricked in those conversation when I'm like, way, you are way bigger than

47:19five. I can take you to do this and that. And then I realized, no, she's a five-year-old girl. There are limits to the game, but. Well, there's, there's understanding that comes with being a human being and that's what she's got. It's just, she's, she's a human being with, you know, how many, what is it? A hundred months on the planet or something like that. You know, there's limited. Not even. Imagine. I mean, imagine trying to figure the world out with a hundred months of experience and I mean, a year of school or whatever she's been in. It's like impossible. Yeah. But you do have that little human brain and then you're also juggling around this, this collection of words that you've acquired. And so you're trying to express these ideas and thoughts and feelings. One of the things that freaked me out about her from the get-go is that she, not exactly

48:08now, cause she's not picking up on the frustration of it all of the discussion. But normally she has a insane level of empathy, not just for a kid, but like even for adults, I see her like, she's always, whenever she sees somebody who's having a bad day, it was really sad. And she instantly goes to them. She's trying to like, I've seen her at school where she'll go to a kid who's like, Hey, isn't that the kid that you don't like? Who's always giving you a hard time? And she's like, yeah, but I still feel bad. Look what a bad day these guys have. And she's going to like trying to comfort them and do this thing. I'm like, Jesus, man, you're really nice. You're nicer than me. I tell you that much. Maybe that's what it is. She sees, she, maybe they, I definitely think kids recognize things that their parents do that they don't think are the right way to handle things.

48:54And they come up with their own sort of workarounds. It's pretty hilarious. You see there in school where she was clearly quoting Bob Marley. She was going through a phase where Bob Marley was God. Bob Marley. Yeah. She was going, I know she loved Bob Marley to death. And she would, um, she went to this kid who was crying because his mom had left and, uh, it was like in preschool or something. She was four and she started rubbing the kids back as the kids is crying. And she said, don't worry about the thing. Every little thing is going to be all right. And I'm like, I know where you got that. That's three little birds. And, uh, that's hilarious. And then she'll have her own, uh, weird things on that one day. She's like, she asked, she in the car and she's asked me for the million time for Bob Marley. And I'm like, okay, no problem. What song do you want? And she's like, two little birds.

49:40I'm like, no, baby, it's three little birds. She's like, no, two. I'm like, what do you mean two? It's three. No, one got shot. So now there's two little birds. And I'm like, Jesus, that's morbid. Really? That's how we're going to play today. Wow. But yeah. My daughter, who's a four, keeps asking me to take her hunting. Really? Yeah. And I don't know if she's just serious or if she misses me when I go away and she wants to do, like, she's never heard a gunshot. Right. You know, there's a lot. I mean, there's obviously no way she's going to be able to pull back an arrow that's strong enough to kill an animal. Right. So it's like, that's not going to happen. No, of course, but step one will probably get used to wearing gunshots or things like that. Yeah, I don't know. She's just so bored. Tell me. What's the matter? Why the other time I left, I knew you pinch. I pinch you?

50:30I pinch you because you were driving me crazy, puppy. That's why I pinch you. It was my way of saying, stop squirming. He's saying settle down. Yeah. We can't put on a show for you or something like that, a television show for you to watch? Yeah, baby, actually, let's do this. I'm serious. Sit down and watch your show because we can do it like this, okay? Well, unfortunately, this is being seen by thousands and heard by hundreds of thousands. The failing of Bollelli as a parent. That's today's podcast title. There's nothing failing about it at all. Like I said, you know, that's one thing of becoming a father and, you know, being around kids. When I was really young, like if I was like in my early 20s, I would never be able to deal with it. Like little kids, I'd be like, oh, the guy brought his little kid. But like when I'm on a plane and like little kids crying, it doesn't bother me at all. Really?

51:19It used to drive me crazy. But when you have kids, it's one of those things where you kind of recognize. One of the things that happened, the big shift that happened is I started thinking of everyone as being a baby. At one point in time, like one point in time, King Jong Il was a baby. You know? Right. That's fucked up. You know, like Idi Amin was a baby. All these weird people in the world, you know, that fucking prestigious guy that shot his girlfriend through the bathroom door. That guy was a baby. Yep. Okay? You know, all these creeps and fuck-ups and assholes. Babies. Gloria Allred was a baby. That was a cute little girl. Now she's fucking robbing people. Using the law, just straight up rob dudes. How much do you think is, how much do you believe in whether it is DNA or a soul or something, like something that's purely uniquely about that person when they are born and that's part of how they are?

52:15Or how much is culture? You know, the famous nurture versus culture debate. What's your take on what's more important in this? I don't know. Well, they have done studies where they've taken twins that were separated at birth, that were adopted, and they get them together after not seeing each other their entire life, and they find out they like the same kind of music. Really? Yeah. They have very similar likes and dislikes. Their personalities are very similar. There's a strong argument for nature over nurture. Right. But there's no denying that nurture plays a huge role as well. Sure. I don't think it's either or. Right. I think we live in a soup of possibilities. Mm-hmm. And I think that you can get super lucky with the amount of exposure that you have to positive and even to negative things. Like, there's an expression, hard times make good people. Mm-hmm.

53:05You know, and I do believe that in a certain sense that there's some experiences that children and adults even have that they get through, and it makes them more empathetic, it makes them kinder, it makes them more understanding, and it makes them stronger, like more character. Even that, too, is funny because you're right. I mean, there's part of that argument that's totally true, and you do see that happen a lot. And then you see somebody who goes through the exact same thing, and it makes them 10 times more of an asshole. Yeah. Because it's like, I got hurt, so I'm going to hurt everybody else in the process and screw them. And it's like, that's where you think, like, what is the make this one person make a right turn and go in a direction where they become kinder and nicer because they felt what it is to get hurt?

53:45And what is the other one make the complete opposite turn and go in a direction of, I got hurt, so I don't care for anybody else's feeling. Everybody has to pay for the fact that I got hurt once. Yeah. It's weird, right? It's like there's that moment where you can really make a 90-degree turn one way or another. What is the make people make the choices they make? It's a very good question, and it could be, a lot of it could be genetics. I mean, epigenetics, the concept that people are passing down ideas through their DNA to their children is not without merit. The idea that your ideas, that the lessons you've learned in your life are not just stored in your brain, but are stored in every cell in your body. Mm-hmm. And also stored in your genetic material that passes on to your woman who gives birth to the baby, and the baby has the genetic material from both the mother and the father.

54:39I mean, all of that is real stuff, man. Right. I mean, all of that is, those are all absolute real possibilities. Right. And it's really incredibly fascinating, the idea that we are this, you know, soup of possibilities. We do exist in this very strange world of so many different things being, going on at the same time. And there is something to, yeah, you're right, because that's the experience part of it all, where you get some kind of traumatic experience that really changes your makeup, the way you are as a person, as a human being. And it's like, and at that point, the kind, I mean, I've seen it even on myself, not, I'm dealing with it right now. I see how my brain has changed over the last three, four years, in some ways, in a good way, in some ways, really not in a good way. What ways in a bad way?

55:28I think I do have, I didn't think so, but now I'm coming to the realization that I do have some serious PTSD. You know, we're seeing, you know, my wife dying my arms wasn't quite as, oh, I can deal with it. Sure, I rationally understand the shit happens and everything else, but it did affect me to a different level. So to give you an example, I'll see that because the way it started with her is like when she got sick, the first thing that was, was like a tiny little thing. It was like, oh, my shoulder hurts. It's like big deal, right? It's like, well, you went to the gym and you lifted too much, whatever, something. Interesting. Seeing that transform in a matter of weeks to, oh, man, I can't move my arm anymore. Oh, I can barely walk. Death, all of that in such a short period of time.

56:11Now, every time there's something wrong with my body, I don't just think like, oh, look at that weird little symptom that I'm having. My mind immediately races through the whole sequence and I'm like, I'm going to die tomorrow of some horrible, terrible disease. And it's like, I know better, right? I know that that's stupid and I know that that's, if anything, that's like projecting things that are definitely not helping. And if anything, they are damaging. And I still can't help it. You know, there's still part of my brain that even though consciously I know it's stupid, I still go there every single time there's something wrong with my body. Wow. And so it's like, man, what do I need to do to change that? You know, because it's almost like Pavlos dogs, right? It's conditional response. It's immediately the second something goes their path, I go with it.

56:57And, you know, there are moments where I have control over it and I can kind of come to this place that's because I've seen horrible things can happen any moment. I actually transcend it and I'm like, look, I have no control over anything. So let's have fun right here, right now, because what the hell knows what happened tomorrow. Right. That's the empowering part of it. And I love it when I get that. And I don't love so much the other one, which is that terror of, oh, shit, something's going to happen, which, you know, inevitably something's going to happen at some point. Right. I mean, everybody dies. Everybody gets sick. That's just the nature of the business. But having that in the back of your mind as a sometimes paralyzing thought, that's a whole different game. That's part of the problem with being a human being, isn't it? The awareness. Yep.

57:41The awareness of the finite nature of your existence and the fact that it's coming, whether it's tomorrow or a hundred years from now. It's coming. You know, if you told someone that they're going to die in a thousand years, they'll still freak out. Of course. Of course. That's it. That's all I have. Yep. Every year passes. 999 left. Shit. Totally. And I mean, that's just, you know it, but there is somewhat removed, right? There's that intellectual existential anxiety. And then there's existential anxiety of sort of like people who have seen, whether because of war or sickness or whatever, people close to them die in horrible ways. It's not just an intellectual or some point in the future something bad is going to happen. It's in the past something bad is going to happen and any second now can happen. That's not a fun way to live. No, it's not the best way. It's not good in any sense of the word.

58:32Living in the moment and being happy in the moment is a very difficult thing to do. It requires discipline and it also requires that you develop like a pattern of thinking. Yep. And you get, that's one of the things we were talking about with young people. Like they automatically start blaming the world and hating on people for whatever has happened wrong to them. I'm going to make people feel the way I feel. There's patterns of thinking that you can fall into like almost automatically. Exactly. And once you have that pattern, it's a cut groove and that groove is very easy to slip into. It's very comfortable. It's very simple. One of the things that psychedelics do is pull you out of that groove. Exactly. They lift you above the motherboard and you get to see what the groove is. Oh, this is just a pattern that I've created and it doesn't, not only is it not empowering, it doesn't even make sense. Yep.

59:23It's, it's, it's, I'm going to live my life a fucking disaster. I'm going to, 60 more years of this and then my fucking heart's going to stop beating and I'm going to die an asshole. And that's very easy to fall into. It's very easy. It can happen to all of us. If I like, oh, sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say, it's, it's very hard to reset. And even when you do reset, it's hard to continue that new pattern. It's like it requires great discipline. And sometimes you got to write things down. Writing things down is big. Right. Writing things down, reading things, positive affirmations. Nobody likes the idea that you go over someone's house and they have fucking all these things written on their walls. They're like, today is a new day. Today we're going to go forth with strength and dignity. But doing stuff like that actually can, can benefit you. It can, it can.

60:13Writing things on walls and, you know, having positive affirmations can help you. Yeah. Cause I mean, some stuff just because you know it doesn't mean that you don't need to hear it again. Right, right, right. To really internalize it. Cause you know, most people know, I mean, if you have read books, if you have been alive long enough, you probably know what there is to know. You've heard it before. Yeah. The difference is transforming that from intellectual knowledge into actual, it's part of your being. It's part of something that affects how you behave. I believe both Aubrey and Amber Lyon gave me the lecture about psychedelics multiple times now regarding this is what you need now. Amber Lyon is a fascinating case. Boy, she has, I've never met anybody that I gave the suggestions to, like I gave to her where they just fucking ran with it like she did. That shit changed her life. Amber is a trip.

61:03She's a trip. I didn't meet her before, so I don't know what the before looked like. Before she was a very rational, serious journalist who was very concerned about the future of humanity and our culture and journalism. Because she had seen the ugly side of the beast where she had reported on some horrific events in Bahrain. And when she got back and tried to put together the CNN piece, they instead put out this fluff piece, like almost like a tourism propaganda video for Bahrain. Bahrain, depending on how you say it. But then when I talked to her about ayahuasca, which by the way, I've never even done. I totally go do ayahuasca. That was the funniest thing of the story that Amber tells. She's like, I'm in the middle of the jungle. I'm about to down it. And they say, you know that Joe never done it, right? And she's like. But I've done DMT a dozen times. At least. Probably. Nine, ten, or twelve.

61:58Yeah, something like that. But it's the same thing. I mean, it isn't, but it is. I mean, it's the same psychoactive substance. In fact, DMT, the smuggable form, is the stronger version of ayahuasca. Yeah. But ayahuasca tends to be a long spiritual trip, which I thought would really benefit her. You know, that she was struggling from it. Right. And it sure did. I mean, again, I haven't seen the before, but the after is insane. I mean, Amber is seriously one of those people that. She glows. Yeah. Every time I hang out with her, I feel happier. She's a drug. You know what I mean? It's like being in the same room improved the level of happiness. Yeah. I'm amazed by her every time. I'm just like, are you for real? I mean, it's like, I have never, I can't think of too many people that I've met that are that happy. Yeah. Well, she's doing psychedelics every couple months. I mean, she's fucking hit it so hard.

62:50From the moment I met her, like, I guess it was like two plus years ago, more than two years ago, because we didn't have this studio. So from that moment on, when she went to the jungle, I mean, she went to the jungle, like, a fucking month after I brought her up. Right. Maybe even less. Went to the jungle. Well. And even though they told her I didn't, had never done ayahuasca, she still fucking dove right in. I think I knew that, I mean, I told her to do it, and I knew that it was the thing that she needed. And some people really need that. They need to go to a place, and they need to experience this thing in this very alien form. And it's so transformative because of the fact that you're in that place. You know, I mean, I'm sure I could probably benefit from it, but my, what I like to do, I mean, my thing, I have a sensory deprivation tank in my basement.

63:38So I'm sort of experiencing, as removed as the jungle might be, I'm removing myself from reality itself on this daily basis. Not to say that I wouldn't still benefit from it, but I wouldn't subscribe what I do. Right. You know, I wouldn't prescribe, rather. I wouldn't say what you need to do is get a tank filled up with water, and you need to trip your fucking balls out and climb in that thing. I'm like, I'm not doing that. Right. You know, I even have friends that come over that don't want to do the tank. They're like, I'm not getting in there. Why? What's so scary about it? I mean. Reality's in that fucking thing. Oh, because they. It's a big fucking meat locker of reality. You know, I need to do them more. The times that I've done it, I mean, I've always liked it. I've always felt great. Sober or no? Yeah, maybe that's my mistake. Have you been sober? Yeah. Maybe the first time it's good to do a sober.

64:24But now it's time to. You know amateur. Right. Gotcha. You know amateur. Float tank with an asterisk. Gotcha. The asterisk is very important because whatever the asterisk can do, the asterisk can do in regular life. It's multiplied tenfold inside of there. Nice. It becomes, especially edibles. Edible marijuana becomes a full-blown psychedelic experience inside the tank. You know, I can deal with edibles for some reason. It's like as much as. 11-hydroxy metabolite. That's what it is. Maybe that's the, because I've tried, every time I've tried edibles, it's either too little where I don't feel it, or I feel like somebody grabbed the biggest basketball bat in the universe and just slagged me across the head. Not pleasurable, not fun. Just like, oh my God, where am I? What the hell is this? Those are my favorite trips. Really? You dig those? I do. I don't dig them while they're happening. Yeah.

65:13But when they're over, I learn the most from them. I like being scared like that because I know I'm going to be okay, but I don't know I'm going to be okay while it's happening. No. I think I got trouble. When I was maybe 15 or 16, something like that, I did this. I remember making this tea with Ashish and we got a little carried away because there were supposed to be a bunch of people doing that. And it turned out to be only two of us. And so the dose that was supposed to be for like, I think it was like half a gram per person and instead it was two and a half gram per person. That's a lot. So by the time we down it, you know, an hour goes by with teddy balls is also messy because you don't feel it right away. So an hour goes by and you're like, eh, nothing happening. Two hours goes by. I'm like, really? Nothing still? What a waste. We throw that stuff away. I go to sleep.

65:56I wake up two hours later and I'm just like, who am I? Where am I? And I pass out. And I open up my eyes again. I'm like, who am I? Where am I? And I pass out. And the next six hours go on like this where I basically lose consciousness every 30 seconds. And I wake up with this who am I or am I thing. After that, I was like, yeah, I don't think I'm doing too many animals. And even other times that I've done, it was always not quite that bad, but close. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think animals are meant for me. Well, there's so many religions that have cannabis and cannabis eating as the base of their religion. Right. Hinduism. There's so many passages in ancient Hindu scripts. And if you look up on Wikipedia, you can look up the entheogenic use of cannabis. It shows all these different times where people have used cannabis as a psychedelic. Like not just, oh, we'll smoke a joint and relax. Right.

66:57But when you eat it, you have these profound visions. If you eat enough, like McKenna used to say that eating like large doses of marijuana was equivalent to eating large doses of mushrooms. Right. It's just a matter of having the courage to eat too much. To go that route. Yeah. You never get the crazy fast heart rate on edibles? You can. Yeah. Well, you don't get a fast heart rate, but you get this panic sense like I'm never going to sober up. Oh, but not as a physical thing. No. Because I felt it as a physical thing. Like I've done. You get like a heart. Yeah. Where I feel my heart start pounding, where I'm just like, Jesus, I'm going like 120 beats per minute or something, which if you're not doing exercise, that's a bit much. I bet it's anxiety. That probably is. That probably is. Because it brings on a lot of anxiety. Oh, yeah. Heavy duty edibles make you really reconsider.

67:51It's very difficult to live in the moment on heavy duty edibles because it forces you to examine problematic aspects of your past behavior. Assuming you still have enough lucidity because there are really times where I'm just like, I'm not examining the table. I don't know who I am. Oh, yeah. You can go too deep. Yeah. I've done that with not too long ago with, you know, the Rick Simpson oil. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which is supposed to be great for health and everything, you know. The thing with the oil is that unless somebody's preparing it for you in capsules or something, it's such a guesswork of trying to figure out which one is which. How many drops you can put in. Yeah. So I've done it where I take a tiny bit and I feel nothing. And I'm assuming it's healthy, but whatever. I'm not feeling anything. And I take a tiny bit. And one day I take a tiny bit plus a minuscule tiny micro drop more.

68:40And I'm like hitting the trees, right? I'm just way out there. And I'm like, whoa. Well, it's also who's making those things. Right. Of course. It's not, you know, being made in the same place where they make Teslas. Yeah. No, that's part of the problem. That's why weed itself, you know, when it's the plant, you can kind of figure things out. And when you're smoking it, you can sort of feel how it's going and you can up it or stop it. Edibles is you take it and an hour later you're in for the surprise to see what it's like. I was listening to this radio show the other day where people were complaining about marijuana being stronger than it was when they were kids. Like this guy in his 50s who just recently tried marijuana again. And he was talking about how he overdosed. I overdosed on marijuana. What does that even mean? How do you exactly? I almost went to the hospital. I mean, I barely got through it.

69:29I mean, you can't overdose. I mean, it was like going on like about the pot today. Right. It's just dangerous. Like, shut the fuck up. What are you talking? Like the fact that someone can go on the air and say something like that. That's bullshit. It's not just like you could put a bad thought in someone's head and they really believe they could die from it. Of course. Unless they have a computer. How many people have died from marijuana? Zero? Ever? Oh. Never? I'm going to be the first one. I'm going to be the first one to die. Oh, shit. I'm going to fuck it all up for everybody else. I'm going to be the first one to die. There was a guy who died in Colorado because he jumped off a roof and they were trying to get rid of edibles because one fucking dipshit jumped off a roof. But even then, the thing is every single substance that's out there is even the most hell water.

70:20If you drink too much water, you can die from it. Right. I mean, it's like everything is how you use it, who's using it, what's the context. Every tool, cars, everything. Skateboards. Absolutely. Everything is how you lose it. I mean, if we based what kills you, you know, what's illegal, we would literally make everything illegal. Oh, yeah. Cars would be number one, right? How about computers? People have died from using computers. Computers have blown up on people. Right. And they've died. Right. Cell phones have blown up in people's pockets and they've been gravely injured. Has anybody died from a cell phone? Let's find out. Well, let's. It sounds good anyway. Killed by cell phones. I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say killed by cell phone. While you're finding out about the cell phone, let me take care of the tiny monkey. Okay. Okay. Don't answer the call while charging urban legends.

71:12Man takes woman's cell phone after she's killed by train. Wow. That's dark. Man killed by cell phone explosion. Okay. Let's see. Gizmodo. Man killed by cell phone explosion. A Korean man was apparently killed by his LG cell phone today. And this was, by the way, in 2007. They probably got old shit back then. He was carrying the phone in his shirt pocket when it exploded, puncturing his heart and lungs. It happened in North Cheong province of Korea as the man was working on a construction site. He was found dead by one of his coworkers. Whoa. Do you think his parents or his family got some money? Wait, this was North Korea? Yeah. No, South Korea. South Korea? Yeah. It says a Korean man. North Cheong, Cheong. It just says Korea. It doesn't say North or South Korea. I'm assuming it's South Korea. Yeah. Because in North Korea, I think they're about 252 years away from seeing cell phones. Yeah. This is... Yeah.

72:14No kidding, right? Poor bastards. That's like one of the craziest things about 2014. That we still have a real live communist dictator running an entire country that's terrified of this little goofy, chubby, moon-faced motherfucker. I know. Who's the son of another goofy, chubby, moon-faced motherfucker. Yeah. It's stuff like that. Just... Yeah. Or the ISIS guy. I mean, things that really belong to the Middle Ages. They're like, really? We're still doing this shit? Come on. Really? Yeah. This is where... And on one end, you see humanity and we are so damn advanced and we are doing these amazing things. And on the other end, we are doing still the same shit that we were doing 2,000 years ago. Those ISIS guys, they release videos on YouTube too. Graphic, horrific videos on YouTube and then they don't get pulled until weeks later. People find out about them. I don't know how a video gets pulled from YouTube.

73:06Someone has to flag it, I guess. Yeah. And maybe they're only sending it to the people that they know or whatever. And they'll survive a while before. But somebody put something up like, check this shit out. And I went and clicked on the link and I was like, Jesus, this is on YouTube? I know. It's these guys shooting each other, shooting these guys while they're on the ground and then cutting their heads off. Like, oh, very, very graphic. I was like, I can't believe this is on YouTube. There's stuff out there that makes you... I've seen one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen was this one thing in like somewhere in Africa or somebody suspected of being witches. And so they grab these three people and set them on fire and you see them. Oh. There's stuff. After a while, I was like, you know what? Why the hell am I watching this? Done. Over. You know, I know it happens. I don't need to see it in...

73:49It's nuts. It's like a video straight out of the 1300s or something. Yeah. In 2014. Yep. There's all the progress that we've gone through to get to this point in age. And there's still some people that just... You could take them. You could shove them back to the year zero and they would fit right in. Perfectly comfortable. Yes. Yeah. Well, there's that thing going on with human beings, man. That spectrum. The broad spectrum of behavior. We're... It almost seems like you have to have like shitty people to appreciate the good people. Mm-hmm. Like, I wonder if there's ever going to come a time where there's a legitimate biological utopia where like human beings, like where they achieve some form of enlightenment where everyone has reached the duh stage. You know, we're talking about like this atheism plus, like they rattle this onto themselves, but they should know better.

74:41They're all fucking educated and going to conferences and stuff like that. See, it's like they're preaching to the choir, essentially, or propping themselves up on a nice moral high ground in front of their peers. But there's going to come a time where the whole world is like that. Right. Is that possible? That would be. And I get, you know, what you're saying about you need the bad people to appreciate the good people. If there's a general improvement of humanity going in a more pleasant direction, we don't need the bad people. Just give us a DVD showing us what this is what the bad people experience is like. And then you go, whoa, really? And, you know, make people very, have a lot of empathy. So you watch movies and you get almost like the experience without having actually to deal with it. Because the whole rationale that you even hear religiously about how you need evil in order

75:29to appreciate the good. Like, to what degree, man? Because when you look about human history, there has been so much evil that is like, really? I could actually do with one hundred of that. I will learn the lesson. I don't need to learn that same lesson over and over again in such brutal, nasty fashion. Yeah. There's something about the design of human history or nature, for that matter. Because as you say multiple times, I mean, when you look at nature, it's like, it's not a soft, fuzzy, happy animals running around the forest. It's brutal. It's fangs and clothes on the whole thing. And it's like, yeah, maybe if it's about appreciating the good stuff, there will be a gentler way to go about it. Do we really have to go this hardcore to make it happen? Yeah. Nature is the most vicious motherfucker of all. Yep. My friend was telling me about watching this bear kill this female bear.

76:22He was watching his grizzly bears. They were observing them. And this male was trying to mate with this female grizzly bear. And the grizzly bear didn't want to mate with him. She kept pushing him off and yelling at him. And he kept trying so hard to get her to mate with him. But she didn't want to do it. Right. And then a new grizzly bear, a new female, came into the picture. And the new female came into the picture and started trying to get him to mate with her. Right. And he got angry that she was distracting him. So he murdered her in front of the other bear. Just tore her apart. Just like that. Just ripped her to shreds. And he said it was the craziest thing because all of a sudden this bear had its feet up in the air and it was just dead. Right. Like within seconds. Like a few seconds ago it had wandered into the camp, you know, or into this little valley where these bears were.

77:10And tried to get this bear to mate. And he's a biologist. Right. So he was, you know, observing this stuff. Or if he's not a biologist, he works with biologists. And he was observing this stuff. And he said it was one of the most disturbing things he's ever seen in his life. He's a hunter. He's lived his whole life hunting. And, you know, death is a normal, natural part of life to him. But this, to him, freaked him out more than anything he'd ever seen. I bet. Because he said it was so brutal and it was so instantaneous. You know, it was just really crazy, man. Did I ever tell you about the rapist necrophiliac ducks? Ducks? I didn't tell you about the rapist necrophiliac ducks? I don't think so. I have to tell you that. God. So, you know, cute little ducks. They are adorable. I remember seeing ducks being born, hatching out of an egg. And I'm like, I'm never eating egg again then.

77:55You know, I'm never eating duck again. Poor little duck. You know, you got into this romanticized, cute, fuzzy thing. Right? Right. And then I start reading about ducks that apparently male ducks are particularly fond of raping female ducks. But this is where it gets interesting. So they go, I'm sure maybe you have seen them in these super high speed chases where the female is running and there's like two or three male flying right behind her. And during these high speed chases, occasionally the female take the wrong turn and she crashes into something, a tree or a wind or something. And then she break her neck and die immediately. But, you know, body's still warm. So the wannabe rapist ducks on poor sweets decide, ah, what the hell? We don't want to waste this. So, and they just get on and have sex with the dead corpse.

78:45After that, I'm like, ducks are back on the menu, motherfuckers, because you guys are mean and horrible and I'm going to eat you again. Maybe they should show that to all those people that are trying to keep you from eating fagwa. Right? You know, that's a weird thing that California has. California has a law where you're not allowed to eat duck liver, but you can eat ducks. Yeah. Because they were force feeding these ducks to get their liver to grow and people found out to be unbelievably cruel. Yeah. I guess crueler than killing them. Right. And eating them. Like, force feeding them to get their livers to grow larger was crueler than killing them and eating them. I'm fucking, okay.

79:22I mean, you know, the stuff that's done in raising animal at an industrial level tend to be pretty fucked up, which is why even people whine about that, but they do anything related to whether you have leather or you eat any kind of meat is ridiculous. Because it's like hunting is a lot cleaner that way. You know, you let an animal have its life, be free and everything else. Commercial farming. Yeah. There's some nasty stuff happening. At the same time, you know, there are limits to how far you want to take it because there are not too many simple, clean, painless, easy ways to do things that still deliver the goods that people rely on. So it's a very, that's why it's the same thing as the stuff we were saying earlier.

80:01Any kind of dogmatic position about this, either the screw animals, they are just here for us to use and who cares whether they suffer horribly or the poor little bunnies, you can't touch anything. I mean, they are both ridiculous, right? They both have a point and they are both ridiculous if taken too far. Have you ever seen the video of a woman? She walks into a restaurant and tells everyone in the restaurant that what they're eating is not food. It's violence. No. And she goes in and she tells everybody about her little girl. I want to tell you about my little girl. And it's a chicken she's talking about. Oh, God. And her name is Snow. Have you seen it? Have you seen it, Jamie? No. Oh, let me find it for you. We should play it because it's just so ridiculous. No, that's not food. It's violence. Are you done, kid? We can end this.

80:58And next time you come by, I'll bring my daughter, daughters, and we'll have a little party. Vegan rant goes viral. This isn't food. It's violence. Pull this up. Have you seen what Bill Cosby did yesterday? I was just telling you about it right before we started. Oh, good Lord. If you don't know what's going on about Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby, I've got to be very careful how I phrase this. Allegedly has raped a large number of women. And allegedly has drug these women. I mean, I find it hard to believe that 13 women would make something. Right. That's a large number. Right. I mean, there would have to be some massive conspiracy dating back to the 1970s that's just now being uncovered. Mm-hmm. So, he put this thing on his website yesterday. Like, go ahead and meme me with a photo of him and, you know, the meme being the print that you can add. A meme generator. And his said, happy Monday.

81:58And these people just went crazy. I mean, it went, it got so ugly. Like, I mean, one of them was, like, the first one was, like, more than a dozen women have accused me of rape. Like, how can I hear you say no? Because he's got, like, headphones on. What do you mean you're pressing charges? I mean, it's, it's, these are the mild ones. But, I mean, what was he thinking? You know, it's. He's a fucking idiot. What the hell was he thinking? Or, a lot of people believe that someone who works for him did it on purpose. Really? Yeah. That someone who works for him knew that it was going to, like, someone who is, like, a website designer. Yeah. Well, you got to think, like, website designers, a lot of times, younger people, and maybe even a woman. Right. You know, who, like, was, like, this fucking piece of shit. I can't believe I'm working for him. Or a guy who's sympathetic to what's going on.

82:51And says, look, how do I get this fucker? Or, that would actually be genius. Yeah. That's what happened. That's great. I mean, they put a bunch of them that were, like, really cute on his, on his website. Like, they, they took some of the ones that people had created that were PG rated. But, the amount that were rape related was staggering. Well, of course. Of course. I mean, what's if it, like, in the news, what's has been, like, what have you heard about him in the news over the last year has been this story, right? Yeah. So, it's, like, of course, that's what's going to pop up. Of course, that's what's going to happen. And, no one has pressed charges. It's, like, I wonder how you could. Because, it seems strange, you know? It seems like, like, if you don't have the physical evidence, like, but you have 13 people telling a similar story. Yeah. I wonder how that works. Depends also from how long ago it is.

83:42Yeah. Because that's also. Statue of limitations. Is there a statute of limitations on rape? Ah, I'm hesitant. You know what? I think it is. I think it is. I think there is. Isn't that what saved that seventh heaven guy? That's exactly what. It is, right? There's a statute of limitations on rape? That's what I think there is. Yeah. Why is there a statute of limitations on something so horrible? I know. I know. It becomes tricky, though, because, of course, once you wait to report it, all physical evidence is gone. And then you have to rely on a lot thinner kind of evidence. That's a lot harder to make the case. There's also that thing about memory that we discussed earlier. That human memory is one of the worst pieces of evidence you could ever get. There are people that I have had experiences with where they'll go, hey, remember when we did this and did that and blah, blah, blah.

84:27I'm like, we never even did that. Like, what are you talking about? I wasn't even there with you. Yep. No, you went with us. I'm like, listen, man, I've never been to South Dakota. Right. Stop. Like, it didn't happen. Yeah. Or they remember the wrong state. I mean, people's memories are fucking terrible. They're awful. Do you have this video? Yeah, yeah. Okay. We'll play this and then we'll give her a chance. Just look at her. She's done. We did in like an hour and a half. That's all good. You got to see this. Watch this video. Put your headphones on so you can hear this, though. It's not plugged in anymore? Yes, of course. Hold on a second. Give it a chance. Did she yank it out? Of course. It's like. Okay, we'll just play this and then we'll end it. This is just so ridiculous. This woman walks in this restaurant and there's a whole group of people behind her. Excuse me, everyone. Can I ask you a penny from an easy?

85:14She walked into a restaurant where people are eating. I have a little girl. She was very abused for her entire life. She was terrified. She has a very determined look in her eyes wherever she goes. And she was hurt and abused her entire life because of this establishment and because of establishments like it. She was locked away. She was hidden. She had nobody there for her. She was crying. She was scared every single moment. And because her usefulness had run out, she was going to be killed. Someone was going to murder her. And I can see you smiling. And I can see you laughing. But to her, this is not funny. I went in there with other humans and I took her out of there. And if I hadn't, she wouldn't be with me right now. She would be gone. Just like all of her sisters. Just like everybody who we left behind. And I'm here to tell you today that all of those other girls, but everyone who we left behind,

86:19they just wanted to live too. And they deserve their lives. And right now, their eggs and their milk and their bodies are on plates inside this restaurant. And that is so unfair to them. Dummy. My little girl's baby's snow. Yeah. And every time you see someone eating somebody else's eggs or somebody else's body, you are going to remember her name. Her name is Snow. She's a beautiful little girl and she just wants to live. This isn't food. It's violence. This is the best part. They all come in and they all have a sign. Like, it's not just to say it. They have to have a sign. They hold up a sign. It's not food. It's violence. Please think of her name every time you see somebody's body on a plate. These meek, fucking pathetic people that are just so lucky their ancestors ate meat to get them to 2014. Idealistic little kids. I love how in this video that you have the temptations in the background saying, My girl.

87:26And you're like, you have this old mellow. That's perfect. But it's crazy. She has this determined look in her eyes. I know. She goes, no, she doesn't. Okay. Her expression never changes. She's a fucking chicken. God damn it. Crazy lady. That is one of my favorite videos ever. Yeah. Because she's just so bonkers. Like, I see you smiling. Gee, I wonder why we're smiling. Maybe because you're kind of crazy. You're walking into a chicken restaurant with more people. Jamie's right. There's more people came with her that were in the restaurant. She must have caught it at like two in the afternoon. Some off hour. Right. It's like, it was just so strange. But she's a little girl. She has this determined look in her eye wherever she goes. And she just wants to live. And people are eating her eggs. Guess what? I eat my chicken's eggs. And they don't care at all. You know why? Because the eggs don't become a chicken. Right.

88:14You fucking dunce. Yike. Oh. They're just eggs. When you have chickens, you can have chickens as pets. They provide you with free protein. You give them food. And they give you protein that doesn't hurt anybody. It doesn't harm them. They have chicken. They lay eggs every day. Right. This idea that, then they're milk. No. No. No. There's no chicken milk. I've never seen chicken milk. And if there is, stay away from it. Because that's bad news. Yeah. Yes. No. They don't breastfeed. But this, you know, that is the spectrum. That's the spectrum. I mean, sensitivity is important. And understanding of nature is important. I mean, I've been accused, especially lately, since I've, over the last couple of years since I started hunting, of being cruel, of doing it because you enjoy killing animals. I don't at all. I mean, I enjoy hunting. I enjoy bringing home the meat.

89:00I actually, I think that the killing of the animals, the worst part of it, the fact that you're able to take an animal out of nature, though, like in the most natural environment possible, like if I didn't exist, that animal would be doing the exact same thing until I came along. There was no influence whatsoever on its life. And then all of a sudden, boom, it ends, which is going to end by wolves. It's going to end by, especially where I was. I was up in Canada where they have, they have so many wolves up there. They have no limit on how many wolves you can shoot. Serious. That's that big of a wolf population. Huge population problem. Huge. Like they have elk, they have deer, they have moose, and wolves are just killing them left and right. When we were up there and we actually came upon, we saw all these ravens that were floating around this one area.

89:51So we're trying to figure out what it was that they were attracted to. So we went over to it and we found this moose calf that had been torn apart by wolves. This is the moose calf. I'll put it up on my Instagram later. So you guys can see, because you're not going to be able to see. Not much left. Oh, it's just mangled. It was crazy. And it was wolves. Wolves had taken it from its mother. Right. And they just figured out a way to get a hold of it and just ripped it apart. Of course. Devoured it. And there was hair all over the ground and everything. That's the reality of that life. Right. The wolves get it and then what's left, the coyotes get that. And then what's left, any other scavengers get that. That is a much more likely death than by hunter. Yeah. The hunter death is the least likely. Yeah, absolutely. And in that sense, again, to me, it's like everything is going to die.

90:41As long as you're not doing where you are wiping out the species and as long as you're not doing where you are adding unnecessary pain to the process, then that's the nature of the business. Well, what this woman is doing by running into that restaurant and saying, it's not food. It's violence. Like you're kind of, you're missing the whole point. You're missing. It's not violence. It's your end. They're ending life so that you could eat it. And yeah, it's kind of a crazy way to do it because we're detached from it. You're right about that. Yeah. But again, that's like a shitty communication strategy because I'm sure she can have part of a point where she's right because there are issues with commercial farming that are nasty. Terrible. But, you know, there's a way to communicate it where you or I would be like, oh, you're right. You make a good point.

91:26So maybe we can tweak the laws a tiny bit to do it in a more humane way. Totally agree. You go like this, you're preaching to the choir. You only have like 10 other people who feel the exact same way you do agree with you. Even if somebody is 80% your way, they're going to look at you and go like, whoa, you really went off the deep end there. Well, she's emotionally unbalanced. And on top of that, that leads people to want to kill more chickens. It really does. I mean, I have this guy that I'm friends with up in Alaska or in BC rather that runs this hunting camp and he would get these death threats from people because they would be hunting wolves. Right. And the reason why they hunt wolves, they had one of their cows torn apart by wolves. Right. These 30 wolves got a hold of a cow and ripped it apart while the people were in the house and they're hearing. Right.

92:13They look out the window and they see these wolves bringing down a cow and kill. That is crazy stuff, man. To look out your window and see this 2,000 pound animal get taken out by this pack of wild, murderous animals. Yep. It's got to be pretty cool, but also pretty goddamn terrifying. That fancy. And people do get killed by wolves and they certainly did in large numbers back in the day, which is why the Little Red Riding Hood, the Big Bad Wolf. We don't think about that today because it's not an issue, but there was many, many times throughout history where wolves had killed people. If you Google like wolf deaths by people, before we had eradicated like large populations of the wolves, there was actually a ceasefire in World War I. Yeah. I remember that story. Yeah. The Germans and the Russians actually called a ceasefire because so many of them were getting killed by wolves. Yep.

93:05They said, all right, let's just stop killing each other, fuck these wolves up, and then go back. First, then we can go back to killing each other. Yeah. Yes. That's how nutty wolves are. So these people were sending this guy death threats and he said, every time you send me a death threat, I'm going to shoot a wolf in the guts. Right. And so they stopped sending him death threats. They stopped posting it. This woman was like, I'm going to post on your page every day. If you ban me, I'm going to make a new name. Right. And he goes, okay, every time you do that, I'm going to shoot a wolf in the guts. Silence. Yeah. I figured. That take care of business. Yeah. I mean, there really is a way of communicating where it's just like, you think it's funny, don't you? She thinks it's funny. Ha ha, shooting the guts. Ha ha. So funny. I mean, there's really a way to communicate that gets the job across.

93:49It's like, most people like to communicate in a preach to the choir kind of way. Most people will communicate in a way that's not considering where you are coming from, the person they are talking with. Right. They're only considering where they are coming from. And they want you to feel what they're feeling and think what they're thinking. Exactly. Only. They want to force their ideology on you. Yeah. In that sense, like veganism or vegetarianism is sort of a religion, just like we're talking about atheism plus as a religion. Right. And so is being a Christian and so is being a Mormon and, you know, it's like, it's ideology. It's all thought processes. You could label it and call it a religion. You could label it, you know, call it a cult. You could call it whatever you want. But it's just thought processes, thought patterns that you want other people to think.

94:32You don't want them to express themselves and you can look at it from their point of view. No, you just want them to know, and you're right. This is not food. It's violence. No, it's food. It actually is food. It's fucking chicken and I'm about to eat. And you crazy bitch. You came in with all these meek fucking low blood sugar freaks holding up signs thinking you're going to change the world. You're not changing shit. Go get a job. What are you guys doing here at two o'clock in the afternoon? How are you feeding yourself? Do you have jobs? What are you doing? Your fucking parents are putting you through school. Is that what's going on here? And the thing there is like, how many people's minds have you just changed by doing that? Zero. Zero point zero. So it's like, even if you believe that you're 100% right in your message, go back to the drawing board and look at that.

95:14What you just did is bullshit because it doesn't lead to any single person being convinced. So figure out a better communication strategy because you suck. Yeah. She needs to get on some ayahuasca. The fucking elves would let her know. Chickens are going to die no matter what, bitch. Yeah. Last time I did DMT, I asked them about hunting. I asked and they were like, okay, whatever. That's literally what they said. They went, okay, whatever. I went into it and I had this thought in my head. I was like, is hunting, is it morally acceptable? Is there anything wrong with hunting? They're like, it's fine. Who cares? They're like showing me all these different things about life. Like, look, you're going to die. It all dies. Everything dies. It all goes into this thing. And they're showing me all these, you know, this fractal reality. And I felt silly for asking that question. I have to tell you about that.

96:03And my one and only DMT experience, which was pretty funny because I did it with Duncan. And, you know, Duncan is hitting it and he's like seeing God and the universe. And he has this beatific smile on his face. And he's just like, ah, it's, and I'm just like, I'm looking at him and I think you are the goofiest bastard I've ever seen. And I'm just laughing my ass off, but I'm not seeing, you know, I'm not having the same and I keep hitting it. So I'm like, there should be. And at one point I think, whoa, my perception is changing. I am beginning to vision because I see the Duncan ceiling is all warped and weird. And then eventually I come down from the experience and I realized that Duncan ceiling is really just warped and weird. That is just. So it wasn't working on you? I was working in the sense that it was like the biggest, it was like the biggest weed high in the universe.

96:51I had like big body high, you know, I felt it really like sinking into the couch and melting into the couch. And I felt it that like everything was hilarious, but I did not have a single visual. Nope. Not one. And, you know, I took as much as Duncan did. And again, he was out there, you know, spacing out with the creators of the cosmos and having a discussion. And you were like passing it back and forth. So it's like you're getting it the same time. That's what, you know, they do say that there's a certain percentage of people it doesn't work on. And I'm sure that maybe, you know, the next time you take one more. I mean, even with weed. It's like a lot. A lot. It was after a while I was getting mad. I was like, come on, man. It's like, you know, it's like, but I've seen it even with weed where I'm like, I'll smoke, I'll take a hit of weed and in the afternoon or in the evening.

97:41And I'm like, I barely affect me. It's pleasant. You know, it's really pleasant, but in a very mild kind of way. If I do it before lunch, I'm in another universe. I did it once. I made this horrible mistake with David Seaman, like before a podcast. He offered me a hit and I took a hit and I didn't eat before. And all of a sudden I'm in the middle of this podcast that he's like, I hear him talk and he, I hear that his voice is coming. The sentence is coming to an end. And I'm just like, oh, fuck. I have no idea what he just said. I don't know what I'm going to say. Oh my God. That's so funny. It's still me. Same substance. One hit versus 10 in another case. And the 10 were like, it's like, I don't know. It's also different kinds of weed too. You can get ahold of some really strong stuff, but that's the DMT thing. It's weird that it worked on Duncan and not you. Yeah.

98:29I wonder if maybe it's one of those things, man. One of those things where you have that thing where you don't, it doesn't work on you. I don't know. Maybe we'll find out. I'll report after the next one. Young lady, you have amazing patience. I'm very impressed with you. We're going to end this podcast now because you are just going to squirm yourself into a coma. You earned a kiss. Can I give you a kiss now? Give daddy a kiss. All right. Daniela, you're awesome. Next time we do this, let's do it again and we'll bring my kids and we'll have a little party. You'll hear a bunch of screaming back there. That's much more or less boring. Much more or less boring. I agree. What am I going to do to speak? I'm going to say, dad, could you now take me home? Yeah. That's how we're going to do it? All right. Thank you, brother. And your podcast, let people know how to get ahold of you on Twitter and your podcast.

99:17Um, the Bolelli as in my first initial Daniel as in D B O L E L L I on Twitter. And then a podcast is the drunken Taoist with a T T A O I S T. Uh, if you just look up danielebolelli.com, which is Daniel plus an E at the end B O L E L L I. That probably refers you to everything else. So that would be the easy route. And I'll just throw out there. Now I'm working on a second podcast. That's going to happen at some point. There's a, if you dig hardcore history, you may dig this, but you know, that's a right now is on the back burner because I have to finish writing a book. I have to 17,000 things to take care of, but hopefully by the beginning of the year, something moves. Beautiful. All right, man. Thank you, brother. I really appreciate you coming on here and especially under tight circumstances like this. We'll make it happen next time. Okay. I'll bring my kids. Thanks so much. Little kid party. Sound good?

100:12Yeah. Much better. Good night, everybody. We'll see you tomorrow. Tomorrow, uh, we'll, we'll be on with Dr. Mark Gordon, uh, who's going to talk about a traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder in soldiers. We're actually bringing on one of his patients. We're going to talk about his experiences and, uh, hopefully we could, uh, help some other folks out there that, uh, are experiencing a very similar, uh, similar situation. So tomorrow, much love. See you soon.