Dave Smith

00:04Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan day hello Dave Smith hello Joe Rogan good to see you my friend you too always good to be here you have an air of seriousness about you like you PR prepared yourself for this conversation we've been [ __ ] around all night last night having a good time now I have to Transit now you like you there was an immediate shift I can see you're like all right here it is well [ __ ] going on well we got a a brand new war to end so uh that's you know gotta be uh so what when when I first started coming on your podcast what was I I just measur it in how many wars ago that was I think what was that how many wars ago was that we were still in Afghanistan back then so we did get out of one we did get out of one sort of we did it in Flawless fashion um but uh

00:59that's uh but yeah no that is true we did end one W and then I think we took like a two we break before we uh got into Ukraine and then uh and now now there's th this one is pretty serious and uh the there's a big possibility of like a wider War uh being started so pretty bad not great no not great it scares the [ __ ] out of me I've brought it up many times but when when I really get uh anxiety is like late at night when I'm alone I think about the world like that at any moment it could just go hate wire like think about October 7th right happens out of nowhere one one day Everything Changes right that can happen anywhere that can happen right here and people thinking that it can't and then people that are just not even inquisitive about anything that interferes with their narrative not even thinking okay what what is the big

02:04picture here what is actually going on I know this side says one thing and the other side says another thing so someone's got to be wrong so what is happening either Israel is evil or Hamas is totally evil you can't be there's a lot going on right for sure there's a lot going on but but this binary thinking that everybody has in our culture today where people we automatically subscribe to whatever one side thinks like if you're on the right you automatically subscribe to whatever the right-wing people think and if you're on the left you automatically subscribe to whatever the left one people which Wars are we supporting and they different different sides are supporting different Wars which is very strange right yeah it's it's bizarre like it's binary thinking that people just fall into but war is the worst of it War makes people so stupid I mean

02:56it's like the way they talk about these like you said it's like the side of pure good versus the side of pure bad it's like a seven-year-old boy playing with action figures like this is good guy this is bad guy and reality is almost never anything like that it's always enormously more complex than that and um I think that's you know that's the truth with the history of of Israel and Palestine is that it's not and I'm I'm Jewish so like I I grew up very much just only hearing the Israeli side of the story and it it's basically you can still get this in a Ben Shapiro video you know that millions of people watch but really will their story is just kind of like the Jews uh came here and we just said hey we want to be independent and then in response to that the all the Arab Nations attacked us and then we just keep offering you peace and they

03:42just keep saying no and they just want you know we just want to live in peace and they just want to kill Jews and that's the story and there's nothing else that you need to know that's relevant here but that's just so not true there's so much more to it than that and if you're going to if you're going to tell this story and you want to zoom out and really understand what's going on on here it's just if if you're going to ignore the fact that the creation of Israel involved kicking a whole lot of people out of where they were living at the time and had been living for hundreds of years um 750,000 Palestinian Arabs were were kicked out of their land they many of them were forced out many of them uh fled and then were never allowed to come back and then and this was in 47 and well it started in 1947 um so uh let me just say by the way and I'll just

04:39do this quickly but I just like like a disclaimer which I never did when we were talking about all the Ukraine stuff with uh because you know like when I the last few times I've been on the podcast we talked about the war in Ukraine a lot and I totally opposed America and and uh American involvement and I put a lot of blame on America and NATO for kind of provoking the the war and continuing the war and all types of people who disagree with me they say uh like you're a Putin supporter you're spewing Russian propaganda but I never felt the need to kind of be like no by the way I'm not a Putin you know agent or something because it's just so stupid there's like no Americans are sworn loyal to Vladimir Putin there's zero people like that but there are actually people who hate Jews and so just to be clear that's not my perspective at all I love I love Jewish

05:28people I I actually like I love Israelis I think there's lots of cool things about their society and what I'm saying if I say like hey the way you got your land was really [ __ ] up and you kill a lot of innocent people that's nothing I wouldn't say about my own government as well and I love America so just that as the first disclaimer there I know a guy who actually did move to Russia and all right fine so there's one but Jeff Monson he was an MMA fighter oh yeah he fought Tim Sylvia right M he fought a bunch of people fought Chuck Liddell um he fought Fedor and he uh he moved to Russia really speaks Russian yeah okay all right so I overstated my case a little bit Jeff mson nobody El he's got a hammer and sickle tattoo okay all right so there's there might be an exception he's a wild fellow Ru um no but so you said so yeah so in

06:181947 and this is uh like right in the aftermath of of World War II and the British Empire uh was basically crumbling and they had been they had been ruling the territory of Palestine under a a mandate and so they basically uh washed their hands of the situation the the there had been issues for years already um and they kicked it over to the United Nations and the United Nations was a brand new organization or like a year old or something like that and um they they had no authority to like create States out of nowhere they just it was a recommendation they go we recommend this partition plan that would have given uh 56% of the land to the Jews for a Jewish State and and 44% of the land to the Arabs to have an Arab State and at the time the Jews uh the Zionist settlers there they owned about 10% of the land and so this recommendation was that they get 56% of

07:18the land and so immediately the the Z settlers accepted they went yes great deal we'll take 56% of this and the Arabs were like no that's not a fair deal at all and then pretty immediately after that there's a great book uh by Sheldon Richmond called coming to Palestine if you're interested in the topic and you want to see but immediately after that a bunch of essentially like Zionist militias started kicking Arabs off of the land like hey the UN said this part's ours and like on at first a civil war broke out and in this process hundreds of thousand I mean between 1947 and 1948 the total number is around 750,000 uh Arabs who were forced out or or fled um and then in 1948 Israel declared independence and then in as a response to that outside Arab Nations invaded got involved in the fight Israel won and then after Israel won the war

08:17They seized about 80% of the land so they were they were offered 54% or recommended 54% they won a war and then they just took 80% of it and then in 1967 so this is in 1948 then uh but at that point at at the end of the war the the portion that is the the Palestinian territories today that was the West Bank and East Jerusalem that was controlled by uh Jordan and Gaza was controlled by Egypt and then in 1967 Israel launched a preemptive war and uh they won again and then they just took 100% of it then they just took control of the West Bank all of Jerusalem and Gaza and they've had it ever since Jes they won a war in 1967 and they've occupied these territories ever since and the Palestinians in these areas have Jo they just have no rights they have no natural rights they have no they're just nothing like they are the uh government of Israel um they for most

09:18of the time they were literally occupying it with with the IDF like of like not worse than marshal law cuz it's like a foreign military like foreign occupation um and that they've always maintained control of everything that goes in and out what supplies how much food how much water how much electricity all of these things and look it's just if you're going to talk about this situation as so many people do like so many people in like Ben Shapiro's Camp they talk about this conflict talk about October 7th and just leave all of that out and and if you do that you're just not really having a conversation about what's going on here you know what I mean like you can you can never really like grapple with the situation if you don't at Le acknowledge that this is what's going on and then they just get sucked into like the dumb George W bush

10:08you know they hate us for our freedom and you know all that and and you're either with us or you're with the terrorists it's the same mentality with that you either can you're either against Hamas or you're you know for Hamas or something like that which is pretty stupid isn't it fascinating that on two occasions 911 and in October 7 there's an initial response from the world like anger outrage hor horrific scenes and then because of the attack and the response to the attack then most young people now like when I was in New York City uh two weeks ago for the UFC and there was the free Palestine March it's wild dude I mean the [ __ ] streets were filled with people it looked very organized and uh they attacked the UFC bus and they slashed the tires of the bus while Robbie Lawler and Jamal Hill were on that bus really yeah yeah

11:06apparently there was a thing where they were blocking traffic and the bus tried to get through before they got there and they got angry at the bus and so they attacked the bus and smashed windows and slash tires jeez yeah they're so lucky that Jamal Hill and Robbie L didn't get off that bus and just start putting people into orbit dude I don't know how many protesters it would take to beat up those two guys D you have zero chance Jamal it's a lot dude Jamal can crack that's a big fella too he's a big F and he can crack people are running from him he's going to crack one or two people and everyone's going to run yeah Pro yes probably 100% my money is on professional someone's going to recognize Robbie Lawler yeah someone's going to recognize him yeah and they're going to realize oh my God these are UFC fighters they there's two

11:56of them oh my God and then you're going to realize like who else is on the Bus Let's Get the [ __ ] out of here yeah no well look it's uh probably for the best for those protesters that it didn't go down that way but yeah it's been pretty look look the protest and it's it's Global I mean they've been all over the world and in huge numbers H now let me ask you this how do they get organized you know I I don't know um I really don't know the answer to that and it does seem they're in large enough numbers that it seems hard to believe they're 100% organic you know like there's something there I'm sure people do feel passionately about this subject but it is uh you know it's pretty um I I I don't know I haven't seen any good reporting on like tracing like the money or like where it's coming from but I I'd be interested to see that but I do

12:50think that there is like the there look October 7th was uh was a huge you know horrifically awful uh terrorist attack but it was a big one like has never pulled anything like this off before this has never been pulled off I don't think in the history of Israel something on this scale and the response to it is also something that is like like Israel's never done before and so the the thing is just so kind of horrible and right in everybody's face that I do think at least to some degree there's an organic you know reaction to it and Elon had a very good point he said how many with these people die how many more future members of hamasa they creating yeah because of these attacks there's a uh there's a great clip of uh Pat Buchanan and it's a it was like around 15 years ago or something like that he was he was uh like debating on MSNBC uh

13:45with some uh with with some other guy like a pro-israeli guy and he just he made that point where he was like because something had just happened like Israel just did a a raid or a bombing campaign and some some innocent you know uh Palestinians died and he was he was just saying he was like what who are the like like a little girl died or something like that and he was like who are the brothers and the nephews and the cousins of that girl going to grow up to Bay yeah and you know the like if you look at the timing of it they're probably right around the age of the the Hamas Fighters there and you know that's not of course to justify terrorism at all because it's never Justified to go kill uh Target innocent civilians but you do have to understand where we're kind of Trapped In This cycle where when some of our people die we want to go

14:32kill some of their people and then we kill some of their people so they want to come kill some of our people and then and back and forth and back and forth um and that's the you know the awful thing about all of these wars on terrorism is that they always just become and you can see it look this is what Hamas this was the whole point of it too right it's like this is now the best propaganda and recruiting tool that Hamas has ever had because now they get look they terrorism is almost always about trying to provoke a reaction like this is why Osama Bin Laden did 911 is that he knew he couldn't like militarily defeat the United States of America but he thought he could pull the same trick on us that we taught him to play on the Russians and get us to invade Afghanistan and bankrupt ourselves and so what do you think Hamas look uh Hamas pulled off a

15:22fairly sophisticated attack I mean they came by like land sea and air they took out the Israeli surveillance which is supposed to be the big you know the greatest surveillance system in in the world um and they pulled this off does anyone think that they didn't expect an Israeli response from this like no of course they knew exactly what Israel would do and this is what they were trying to provoke them to do because Hamas doesn't care about innocent Palestinians dying but what they wanted was to turn you know the world against Israel and particularly turn the the Muslim world I mean not that it takes much to turn them against it but to really put pressure on some of these other governments who had you know signed on to the Abraham Accords um which basically was using us tax dollars to buy off these other Arab countries to sell out the Palestinians so the

16:16basically for for years the these other Arab countries like wouldn't recognize Israel wouldn't normalize relations with Israel because they were sitting there saying like hey this is totally unfair like you you kicked all of these people out and you don't really have a right to this land and they are they need to be you know treated with whatever given Independence or or something like that and so we won't normalize relations with you and then basically Trump's plan and Israel's plan was like well how about we just bribe you to normalize relations with Israel even though we're not giving the Palestinians their freedom and he got a bunch of them to sign on to it and so for the Palestinians this was like I mean you could almost imagine the hopelessness cuz now this was kind of your only hope that someone else was going to catch

17:03your back and now everybody's basically agreed like yeah look you're never getting your state you're never getting your Independence we're never going back to 67 borders you're just this is life forever and like like an open air prison yeah I mean you know people get people like get upset about that characterization and it's not perfect but it's not perfect but it's it's close it's containment yeah it's some kind of containment yeah well I mean look it's it's imagine you know if you all you got to do with all of these things this is why I would like Ron Paul is the greatest American hero in in my opinion because like this was his whole Central Point on foreign policy was always like you just have to try just try a little bit to put yourself in their shoes and how would you feel if you were like occupied by a foreign government which essentially

17:54isn't really a foreign government it's really your government because they're the ones who run who really run the place how would you feel about that you know in the in the West Bank where they're still under uh military occupation you know these guys the the IDF run in and scream curfew and you got to run inside your house when they do that I just like that even just that level of like that's crazy being controlled by a group of people who are not your people you know um isn't the most crazy thing that PE that human beings still behave in these patterns where we have groups of people that don't know at all have no personal interaction whatsoever with other groups of people and they're willing to murder them yeah like this it's it's sort of like a default mechanism of the default part of the human system like human beings when they have control of massive

18:47amounts of property and and and resources they they default into that mode and that's just what's really insane about all this is that I would have thought by now we'd have figured that out and moved past some of the most ridiculous ideas but we haven't it still battles over religion battles over territory like holy [ __ ] it could be the end of us over the dumbest battles and and it's just yeah it seems like you would think that just with what we have you know like the level of civilization that we have the level of technology and medical Innovation like all these things that you'd be like you would almost think if you didn't already know what the truth was you be like well War we don't do War anymore this what big mass murder campaigns with giant Machines of death we don't do that that's like a thing we did 3,000 years ago we've moved past

19:41that we have other ways of like resolving these disputes but uh but they still do it but we still do it do you think that Israel believes they can dismantle Hamas and install a government that they can reasonably discuss things with but even if there was a reasonable discretion like what would that entail well okay but here's this is what I'll say right I think that totally could happen I mean it's a little It's Tricky but the history of it is this will kind of blow your mind and by the way um for this is is going to sound like a um a conspiracy theory if you haven't heard this before but this is totally 100% true and it's been run in the the day after uh on on October 8th there was a big piece in the in the uh Times of Israel about this there was a front page of heret these are Big newspapers in Israel and if you want to you can go to antiwar.com uh my boy

20:37Scott Horton and Connor Friedman just wrote this great piece um about this and they've got all the quotes in it so you can just go read it for yourself and this is in their own words that that this is admitted that it was Benjamin netanyahu's strategy for years to prop up Hamas specifically because then there would be no negotiating estate for the Palestinians because no no one in the International Community is going to look at Hamas this terrorist organization and say yeah we recognize them so the plan was to undermine the more secular uh Palestinian Authority types so that they wouldn't be in control Hamas would be in control and then no one would ever negotiate their state so just to be clear here this is and and by the way I mean the you can find Direct quotes from Benjamin Netanyahu saying this in his own words saying that you must support

21:28Hamas we must continue funding and supporing Hamas so that they can never get a state specifically for that intended reason so basically what what Benjamin Netanyahu did was for years prop up this terrorist organization and then fail to defend his people from them uh on October 7th um and it's just you know I like again it's it's mindboggling to me that this element gets left out of the conversation in America but by the way it's not left out of the conversation in Israel like their newsp papers are all talking about this how this plan blew up in his face um but it's really you know this is what happened here it's not that there's this desire at the highest level of the Israeli governments because this is what they always say we have no partner for peace we have no one who's willing to negotiate with us but it's just not true

22:20every time they have had somebody who who who steps up and and look just to be clear here when I was talking about 1947 1948 how Israel like the the state of Israel was created then in 1967 what they when they took control of everything what everybody always says I shouldn't say what everybody always says there's people who say crazy stuff but what Arafat said once he rejected terrorism even what Hamas said when they first uh uh you know gained some power in in Gaza was 67 borders they want to go back to the 67 borders so they're not saying we want 100% of this back at least at those points in time they were just saying give us our 22% back you know what I mean and let us be an autonomous independent nation so what what would have to happen for that um well first of all that's that seems like there's no way Israel is going to

23:16accept something like that it seems it seems as long as the lud part is in I don't think so I mean I think what you really need is like the lud party and Hamas have got to go and like a new generation you know of leadership has to come into power somehow and there has to be like a desire to actually end this thing is there any support in Israel for this idea that they should give them more land and they should give land back oh yeah no I mean there has been for for years there's always been kind of like the liberal wing of of uh Israeli citizens who are totally who are totally against the building the settlements in the Palestinian territory who are oppose the occupation who are for return to 6 7 borders I mean look Yak Rabin uh if you remember he was the Prime Minister in the 9s and he was kind of he he was at least saying I don't know if I don't

24:08think this was like completely true but he was at least saying like that's what he wanted that he wanted to make a deal to give the Palestinians a state and there were this was at the beginning of the Oslo Accords and if you you remember when Arafat and Y Rabin came over and shook hands with Bill Clinton and stuff and and there was at least talk of like we're going to do this and he he had support from his people now a right-wing Israeli murdered him for that because they thought he was being too soft and you know negotiating so there's a like there's a split for sure but it's not as if there isn't any desire for this now I'm sure if you do polling you know on October 8th in Israel I'm sure they were very pissed off and you know what I mean like that isn't the dominant the dominant belief and if you do polling in Gaza right now I'm sure they're very

24:55pissed off at isra you know what I mean CU there's the the rally around the flag effect when there's terrorism or when there's war but there have been there have been people on on both sides of this who had had a desire for peace uh for a long time and that's just like you know by the way if you're if you're interested in this stuff if you want to do like a deep dive uh on the whole history uh Daryl Cooper he uh who um do you know did I ask you last night if you yes you did we talked about it last night but tell everybody who is so he's darl Cooper he his Twitter handle is Martyr made and he uh is he co-hosts the podcast with a jao um it's one of his podcasts that they they do together but he did on his on so on Daryl Cooper's solo podcast he did this deep dive into the history of of Israel and Palestine uh it's I mean it's it's a time commitment for sure it's

25:48like 25 hours or something like that long there's it's six it's six parts and they're all several hours long it's great but it is so good like if you I could not recommend it highly enough it is so good he knows he knows the history so well it's filled with all types of like these like little nuggets of information I thought I knew this stuff pretty well but I got all types of nuggets of information from him uh from over the years and he's totally you can just tell right away he's totally not that guy he's not the guy on Twitter who like thinks there's a Jewish conspiracy he has nothing but contempt for that kind of like stuff he's not taking he's not presenting it in a political way he's just being a historian the only thing that he kind of adds in of his own opinion is he kind of just insists throughout the whole thing that you put

26:36yourself in this group shoes and now put yourself in this group shoes and so you can understand why they feel this way and you can understand why they feel this way um but it's just a telling of the history of the story could I uh so anyway that the series is called uh um Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem uh and then then he did a follow-up podcast so that's basically the history from early Zionism in the late 1800s up to I think that gets you up to like the 194 I forget I'm going to order that up on my thing right now yeah yeah AB dude it's so good Fear and Jerusalem yeah double check me that trailer he made oh yeah okay yeah yeah doesn't seem like it explains anything I thought it might it's just visuals oh yeah I guess you're not really going to get yeah I thought it was going to be explaining something it's just visuals and okay I just

28:01subscribed to the Martyr made podcast yeah he's I you're going to love it dude it's so good and he's on point with with all of it it's just like a really detailed accurate like history of it and then of course like I as I always say I mean if you want to understand any of this stuff uh my my guy Scott Horton uh at antiwar.com is like I think the best the best voice in America when it comes to war and he's just he's just brilliant and uh he's he does a lot to make me look good cuz he's like this ultimate genius researcher and he has like all the details from every you know he's like every little quote of like uh that no that hanging them by their own words like he's done all the research of like look you know you read his books and you're like here it is in their own words here it is in their own words and so that's uh he's he's an incredible

28:48resource uh for understanding this stuff um before I forget this I wanted to bring this up earlier um you you were telling me last night you were explaining to me when net and Yahoo was being protested yeah so this was going on um literally right up to October 7th and I'm not like I'm not suggesting any conspiracy or anything like that but basically Netanyahu was making he was trying to make some pretty unprecedented moves um uh with like drastically changing the Supreme Court's level of power um within the Israeli government uh you know I'm I'm not the expert in this I don't know exactly what the moves he was but it was really stripping there were like these proposals to strip the Supreme Court of their power and drastically alter uh uh yes and there were protests in the hundreds of thousands so it says hundreds of thousands March in Israel against

29:44netanyahu's judicial overhaul yeah and so you see this giant group of people waving Israeli Flags walking down the highway now from what they were saying cuz I listened to it like what a lot of these uh uh people leading the protest were saying they were saying that this was was in effect going to be the end of democracy in Israel now I don't know if that's a little bit hyperbolic or not but they certainly felt that way and he was under enormous uh political pressure and in a in a kind of tragic sense he was somewhat rescued politically by October 7th so this is uh so whatever this overhaul was it actually it says Netanyahu postponed the final vote of the legislation that he had been slated for Monday in a national address last around 7 minutes he said he would hold discussions and bring the legislation up for a vote sometime after lawmakers

30:35return from a recess at the end of April so you knew it was horrifically unpopular with people obviously yes and then this was a three months of protests yeah oh yeah yeah no this was a big deal and and in huge huge numbers um and so he now Netanyahu in response to this for for his own political survival has Allied now with people who are even to the right of the the lud party cuz they were basically the only ones who supported this and so it's it's in effect made him even more of a right-winger well isn't that just always happens God damn yeah that's just what always people they're always trying to get more control over the people they're always that's yep that's the nature of of it seems like he came like to the brink of signing that oh oh there's no question I think he wanted to he wanted to sign it I think it's just that there was so much

31:35enormous pressure that he back down a it but then again there's like the white pill which is like the the case for optimism is that protest work well and not just protest but just I mean protest can work at times but also just if the percentage of the population is so against something then many times it doesn't get done like the the thing that I think gives me the most the most cause for optimism and hope is that there's a reason why the go governments use propaganda on their own people there's a reason why they propagandize us and it's because at least they believe and I think they're correct in this that they can't do what they want to do unless we at least tedly support it or we'll accept it and you've seen this several times before I've talked about it before on the show with you where there are these these instances where they try to push

32:31something and it's just there's so much resistance to it that they're just like they kind of dip their their toe in the water to see if maybe they float an idea and then everybody's just like no we're not doing this and then they go okay we're not going to do that now and and at the same time while we have that Dynamic um there's we now we're in a like a revolution in terms of the way people get ideas and stuff like that I mean you're a a pretty gigantic part of that but there is no longer this kind of Monopoly control on the means of information that the American people or people of the world can receive now and so we kind of like I do think we have a tremendous opportunity I mean you can look around at everything that's like going on that's really bad and I know I you know focus on that a lot but we have like a tremendous opportunity now unlike ever

33:25before to kind of counter the propaganda of governments and so I actually think there's a lot of hope uh for Humanity um and then you know AI will kill us all in a few years but in the me there there's the government is trying to in some way control things on social media and what was the latest with the Biden administration because I know they've instituted some [ __ ] in Canada that freaks people out and you know they're clearly trying to get regulatory power over internet content yeah well there uh because it's against their narrative too often yeah well they're and they're pretty furious with your boy Elon for uh for buying he did a he really committed a crime against the establishment by uh saying that not every single social media uh platform now will be on board with the program yeah um so that but you see the

34:16way they're kind of coming after him um well he kind of put his foot in his own mouth with that one with what with the the the Twitter uh thing exchange that he got in trouble for wait what the one they're tell saying that he's anti semetic oh oh oh what what was that specific one Jamie will find it oh oh it was one he like responded to an anti-semitic thing or something like that is that what it was and said you were saying the actual truth or something along those lines okay yeah yeah I I vaguely remember this yeah is like if you're shooting from the hip like that and saying things that are that's a that's if you have like an explanation for what you're saying are you saying the uh what it what are you saying the ADL like what is it what is what is the thing that you're you have a beef with yeah uh Elon boost anti-semitic tweet claims ADL and other groups Push

35:12anti-white Messaging see I don't because I think the Tweet said something about I don't think it's specifically mentioned the ADL so if it did specifically mention the ADL then I would say oh he's talking about the ADL doing this thing but I don't think that was exactly how the Tweet was Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectic hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them okay yeah said Jewish communities he's not saying the ADL right right yeah that wasn't that probably wasn't a good response and then so Elon says you have said the actual truth so if he said the ADL has been pushing these things then you could say yes but he's saying Jewish communities is the ad L Jun Community yes it is but you just can't lump them all into one group like that so like you could argue

36:05a case of onot technicality like they are a Jewish Community but still when you just say it that way that's such a blanket the most reasonable interpretation of that is not going to be that you're referring to the ADL so yeah he I agree with you he did put his foot in his mouth on that one but also to be clear that's not really what their beef with him is they saw this and then they go oh good we'll use this one to get him but they they've had a beef with Elon mus when Elon Musk was doing nothing but just simply saying I'm considering buying Twitter to make it a free speech platform which was what he initially said yeah they were furious at him for that so like yes it's true that probably was that was a bad tweet and he was not clear with what I don't think he meant to say what it sounded like he was saying there um I mean I don't know but

36:51they the point really is that they were furious at him already just for the the gal of saying you were going to come make this a free speech platform when as we know from the Twitter files right that this wasn't it wasn't simply that Jack dorsy was deciding he didn't want to hear anything that was skeptical about the covid vaac or lockdowns on his platform but it was literally that the FBI our federal government political campaigns three-letter agencies were telling Twitter colluding with them and making sure that again like I was saying before that their government propaganda that they felt was necessary in order to Institute these tyrannical policies of of the covid regime that that was not allowed to be dissented against on there and that's what his look his real crime against them was buying Twitter saying he's not GNA he's going to make it a

37:43free speech platform and releasing the Twitter files that's really what got the establishment turned on Elon Musk who as you probably remember was once a darling these people most certainly but even if those things didn't take place and he was the CEO of Twitter and he quoted that tweet it would still be the ADL would probably still write a piece about him yes it would still be the equal problem yeah okay that's fair that that's just that's just one of those things like if you have a specific if you me here's the other thing I don't know how the [ __ ] he even does what he does like how is he tweeting while he's making Rockets how's he tweeting while he's running Tesla so the amount of attention that he must be putting to each tweet has to be minimal yeah it's not like he's like going over a very complex Nuance subject

38:28and sitting there before he makes his tweet he's got [ __ ] people Elon what do we do with this you want the tip of the rocket pointy like space balls and you know the [ __ ] cyber trucks do you wanted 1100 horsepower or 1500 what do well I I mean I'm I'm not nearly as busy as Elon Musk and I know I mean I don't think I have one like that but I've definitely like replied to tweets before and then like realized I misread the Tweet right like and I I was like oh I misread that and I what I said I didn't actually mean I wasn't agreeing with you oh no I disagree with you you know so it's like you know I it's not unforgivable it's not like he tweeted something like that he replied to somebody else saying yeah that's right he you know but I agree with you it was not it was not good and that probably that will get you heat when you're that

39:12big and famous of a person no matter what with what's going on yeah so then he uh scores points on the other side by saying that agreeing that that phrase from The River To The Sea Palestine will be free that that is implying genocide he's saying yeah I mean I look there's definitely people who say it who mean that by it I don't know seen people that get interviewed when they're they're chanting and then these people interview them like what do you mean by to which river and which sea like what are you saying and they like what why are you asking me questions like I'm just trying to find out like what river are you talking about and what sea does it go to yeah but dude this is this is protest in general because I I remember videos of um the the March for our lives uh when they were marching for gun control they had like these big protests

40:02up in Boston and stuff and they'd go around interviewing them and just ask him you know they'd be like so uh you know what what is it that what policy do you want they're like we want a ban on assault weapons they'd be like what's an assault weapon and then you already see him being like um well it's the scary ones Joy bear was on The View talking about shooting a deer with an AR there'd be nothing left to the deer just she have no idea just has no idea 56 is small round yeah yeah ARS don't shoot a big round it's not like a 300 Win Mag it's not like a big rifle round it's a fairly small round a huge percentage of these guys because this is like so many times I've seen people make this mistake a huge percent of them think the AR15 is a machine gun like they you know what I mean like there there's a lot of them don't it just looks like a tactical gun

40:50and there's some people that like don't like the idea of using it for hunting because it's a semi-automatic but realistically a semi-automatic is more ethical for hunting than a bolt action Revol rifle a bolt action takes too much time to reload so if you hit an animal and then you want to hit it again while you can still see it you want to be able to go bang bang you want to be able to get a second shot into that animal it's more Humane right right so it's really a very good gun except for the round the round is not like that heavy one of the real problems in the gun control debate is that which kind of makes sense by the nature of it but the people who are on the side of gun control tend to not like guns and not be around guns right but then the problem is that you're having a debate about something that you just don't know anything about sure like

41:40saying that an AR15 would be terrible like people kill deers with way bigger rounds yeah yeah yeah yeah it's just a statement out of ignorance and by the way that's not a blanket statement for everyone like there are people who are for gun control who know a lot about guns but generally speaking the people who support that tend to be the ones who aren't around guns don't know people with guns live in blue cities where the only people who have guns are criminals and cops yeah well it's it's one of those things where you have an opinion and that opinion is often times just an opinion you have adopted from your ideology there's like a predetermined pattern of opinions and behavior that you've adopted this is acceptable for my tribe and you know and you say AR15 you don't even have to know anything you just don't tell people oh you're going

42:29to blow that deer to smithin there going to be nothing left Y and then the other the major to me like the major problem I think this is kind of like the fundamental libertarian Insight is that people remove themselves from what they're actually advocating for when they're advocating for like laws against things right and so you in in a lot of people's minds when they're advocating for gun control what they're advocating for is like less mass shootings you know what I mean like that's what I want I want less mass shooting so here's how we get it it's uh same same thing when people advocate for criminalizing drugs or prostitution or whatever it might be what they're advocating for their mind is like I want less drug use or I want less of but what the reality is but but the reality is and this is what I mean by the libertarian Insight is that what

43:16you're actually advocating for is that men with guns throw human beings in a cage for the crime of possessing a gun not doing anything to anybody not violating anybody's rights but just and in this country all throughout this country we have people who are sitting in cages for decades for the crime of just owning a weapon like many in many cases for self-defense in many cases they were just doing it to because they wanted to protect themselves you could bring you could just have a gun and bring it across a state line which in many cases people live right on the border and cross state lines all the time going to work or going to a friend's house or something and the crime of having that gun and bringing it over this State can land you like a 15-year jail sentence and so even it's true with with drugs and with all of this stuff the real question when you're

44:05talking about writing laws against something shouldn't be like how do you feel about that thing it should it should be like are you willing to throw another human being in a cage for that and I basically I think if you really ask yourself that and you're a decent person you get to a place of like the only thing that it would be morally acceptable to throw a human being in a cage for is a violent crime where somebody is victimized or some type of like property crime where you've like ber made off [ __ ] well yeah I mean because stealing from people or just like burning somebody's house down you know like stealing their money from them because when you steal when you take somebody's property that like it may not by the technical letter of the the statement be a violent crime but you have violated them in some sense like

44:55you in a sense like if you if you work all day and you make x amount of dollarss for that and then I steal x amount of dollars from you I basically stole your day like I almost retroactively enslaved you for a day that you just worked for me against your will so those but outside of that outside of like property crimes and violent crimes there's just like I just think there's no moral case that we should throw human beings in in a cage over it no matter how much you don't like their their behavior or their action well there's there's a lot of problems right one of the problems is that it's profitable to put people in cages that's with everything in this world when it becomes profitable they figure out a way to justify whatever the [ __ ] they have to do whether it's lie about side effects or lie about the dangers of certain food additives or lie

45:44about the effect of pesticides or herbicides whatever the [ __ ] it is they've always shown that they will find a way to justify what even if they if it's the sugar industry bribing scientists to pretend that saturated fat is the problem y we find they'll find a way if money's involved so if money's involved in that why would it be any different and it's not well right so and this is basically kind of the beauty of free market capitalism which we have so distorted with this kind of giant crony capitalist system that we live under is that in a in a free market um you're I if there's no government um involvement and you're in a free market there's still all of those incentives that you're talking about the all these companies want to make as much money as possible but what it kind of does is channel that into something we like all

46:33right how do we make as much money as possible well you got to make something that people really want to buy you got to make something that they really want you know what I mean and that I'm not suggesting there can't be any corruption in that type of system but once you get the government involved in it now the way the the way to make the most money is to force things on people you get the government to write a rule and now the people have no choice and so these incentives that can somewhat exist in harmony with doing good for society in some conditions is now totally corrupted right like it's totally so even if you think about something with like let's say there's uh you have like the vaccine or or a vaccine or something like that and theoretically there's no collusion between the government and pharmaceutical companies and you want to

47:19get people to take uh your vaccine well you're going to have to like convince them that it's really good for them you're going to have to sell them on like no look at look at this data look at how many how much this reduced the you know the rate of death from this look at all this great information about the vaccine but if you have the government involved then you're like well you know what just go Lobby the government to make it mandatory then then we'll rake in profits that's the that's so much more of a profitable direction to go and so you know this all these things get corrupted and particularly today we just um you know the size of the US federal government is it's the biggest organization in the history of the world it's there's nothing there's not even a close second and it's uh got survival instincts yeah it doesn't want to give

48:03up ground it doesn't want to give up power it wants to keep expanding it wants more funding for its projects it wants to hire more people to deal with something in an incompetent way and it's not like the free market where it like if it's incompetent like there's going to be a competitor that comes along does a better job and you're going to lose the market well you ever look at the um if you look at like the uh the list of the richest counties in in America and they're like I forget the exact numbers it's like it's all lob well it's like 10 of the they're all not all but the vast majority of them are right outside Washington DC and right outside New York City and so like what is that this is that is that capitalism do you go to Washington DC and you go oh there's all there's more millionaires there than there are in any other part of the world

48:45in the suburbs around Washington DC is that because there's great big factories and they're making so much stuff that everyone wants to buy it's like no that's because our centralized federal government spends over $6 trillion a year and where does that money go it goes into all the people who are connected to government and why is it outside of New York City is it because in New York City they have great big factories where they're making all the things that everyone wants it's like no and that's not because of capitalism that's because Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard and now it's just this phony Casino Wall Street money so it's everybody all the people at the top who are making all of this money they're not making it it'd be one thing if you're um if you're like uh John D Rockefeller before got in colluded with the

49:28government and you you created Standard Oil and now there's this big oil company and you're making the country richer by this but they're not making the country richer they're extracting wealth out of the rest of the population it's all just extracted out I mean literally the federal spending is extracting wealth out of people by taxing them and then spending it literally taking the money from people who work and giving it to politically connected people and then the the Wall Street money is just printing money and then making your dollar less valuable so just in another way extracting wealth from the people and this is basically why we live in this populist moment right now where so many people are so freaking furious at The Establishment because their right to be their right to be it's a [ __ ] system

50:15it's a [ __ ] scary system that you can never beat if it gets to make its own rules well it's not what it and it's not what America was supposed to be it's so wild the stock market is such a wild idea that it's based on confidence and you you bet on companies yeah essentially betting on buying and selling and you can wreck them and you can own them and you know and there's people that just play that game all they do is like chase after businesses short businesses you could short a country yeah yeah yeah yeah no it's it's pretty wild it's pretty wild and crazy gambling but this is also you know like to go back to like Ron Paul stuff this was like at the center of his campaign I don't think anybody else um outside of like the libert iian party will will put up candidates who like talk about this stuff but Ron Paul was the only one like

51:02in a major party who got like a huge amount of traction behind him but where he was like look this is all like when you go when you have a fiat currency system and you go off of any type of gold standard or anything that kind of limits the government's ability to just print as much money out of thin air as they want to you get this thing where we live in a cycle of constant inflation and this is something that people don't put that much thought into like you know if when you're talking to your grandma or something and she's like in my day a bottle of coke was a nickel we just take that almost as like yeah well that's how it works things over time get way more expensive that's just how CU because that's been so just how we've always experienced life that it's just a given that everything's always going to be a little more expensive and we may have a

51:45bad year where things are like 9% more expensive and then maybe we'll have a better year where things are only 2% more expensive but it's always going in this direction but that's not a law of nature that doesn't just have to be that way and in in fact if you looked at like from the year uh say 1800 to the year 1900 somebody talking to their grandparents would have had the complete opposite uh thing they would have been like oh my God it was so much more expensive when I was young and now things are getting cheaper and in fact the natural tendency in a society that's developing the natural pressure is for things to get cheaper because if you just think about it right like you get more efficient at making them you get you know what I'm saying like you get you get more efficient at making them you can make more things with less

52:28Manpower that would naturally put a downward pressure on prices but because the government keeps printing money the value of the money goes down and so we live in the system where things get more and more expensive but then when you have that right and then you have all types of government incentives on top of that right so it's like okay first of all you're gonna if you just hold your money because this is what people used to do many generations ago was the idea of just saving your money you save it but if you just save your money today Joe you're a sucker cuz of this system right like if you just hold your dollars well you're just losing money actively so you got to be chasing interest in order to just not lose money you have to be chasing an investment you know what I mean you have to be like gambling on something and so now and then of course

53:12there's also other like tax incentives where like you you can kind of defer taxes if you invest in things and so you're kind of like pushed into you know like well put it in your 401k put it in this put it in that and then you won't but just think about that like logic aside from being really good for Rich Bankers why would you think that it's a good for like an average you know say like couple who's just like working and making money and they don't know anything about stocks and bonds and trading for you know exchange traded funds and what to invest in and what not why would you say that you you should be working no you shouldn't be working in saving a little bit for your uh for your retirement what you should be doing is gambling you should always be gambling your money constantly isn't that sound financial advice Gamble and gamble on

54:01something that you don't understand right and you've done no research on yeah trust someone who works on Wall Street do you remember that time about a year or so ago where Banks started failing mhm remember that remember how spooky that was yeah where Banks started going under and there was a real concern that it would cause a you know a Cascade effect they were very very concerned about that yeah and it didn't but it got close and we had never heard about that many bank I mean there was a savings and loan crisis remember when a bunch of those places went under yeah I remember that I found out about that because Vinnie Penza the boxer lost a bunch of money in one of those oh really yeah like you know I think his life earnings I think he lost a shitload of money like quite a few people have lost a lot of money in these [ __ ] things

54:44where Banks go under all a sudden you lose everything like what you don't have my money well and of course in in 2008 was that was the big one you know in 2008 and they really set a predent there areil bailed of now BG they were then then they're really too big to fail now right so it kind of perpetuates this idea that we listen the banking system and everybody kind of knows this the banking system is built on a house of cards um and it could collapse at any moment and if it does the federal government's going to have to come rob you of your money to give to a bunch of Bankers again that's our system that's our financial system and the CEOs of those Banks still got bonuses oh yeah yeah yeah yeah they got said they had to give them bonuses otherwise they would leave and go other places and it's and it shows it shows a real um like eroding

55:44of something completely different than the political system just our culture that there wasn't at least like like enough shame of those people to just go yeah I'm going to not take my bonus this year CU I don't want to get Dred through the streets and like killed by the ciens of this country I don't want to feel like that and it's not as if these people didn't already have tens of millions of dollars like they really needed their bonus from this year or like little Timmy isn't going to get his Thanksgiving turkey yeah it's like no I want a fifth yacht it's like that level but the the the whole banking system is it what's the um oh man I'm going to get this what's the Christmas movie where they kind of go over fractional Reserve banking uh is it It's a Wonderful Life or the one where they're like where they all come into the bank there's like a

56:29bank run and they want their money and he's like oh but don't you see your money is over here at Frank's farm and then his money's over there and that's how but like uh I I can't remember which one it was but anyway was that it's a wonderful life is that what it was yes I think it was It's a Wonderful Life oh no maybe not old ass movie no yeah yeah it's an old one but there go but the whole system of fractional Reserve banking is really kind of this fascinating like thing cuz everybody still kind of has in their mind mind that if you you kind of have in your mind that the money in your bank account is your money and that you're holding it that they're holding it for you but that's not right that's not what's going on and if you ever actually read like the contract that you sign when you open uh a checking account that's not what it

57:16is it's more like you're loaning money to the bank and they owe that money to you but they don't have to give it to you they you could legally speaking you could walk in tomorrow uh to a bank I mean no one actually walks up to a teller anymore it's a wonderful life isn't a Christmas movie it's a banking movie oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so that is the scene I was right about that okay uh but so you you could walk into the bank tomorrow and you're checking you know account balance is whatever say it's $5,000 and you could go I'd like to take out $2,000 and they can say no you can't have it now they owe it to you technically but they don't have to give it to you they're not just holding it for you to give to you on demand now this system hasn't collapsed so they will give that to you today if you walk into a bank but but if too many people

58:01come in and they want too much money well they don't have it yeah is the point so when you open a bank account and I don't know exactly what the reserve rates are now because I know they did change this during Co but for a while it was 10% um was the what the Federal Reserve set as the reserve uh that you had to put away so when you come into your bank and you give them $100 to open a checking account just to make it an easy number they they hold $10 and loan out $90 and now so they they'll loan that money out and so essentially they owe you $100 but the the effect of this right is that now there's this this guy so let's say you open in the account with $100 now there's another guy who takes out a loan for $90 and you're now in the economy and kind of like you think you have $100 and he thinks he has $90 but really there's only there's not $190 there's

58:55only $100 that you you get what I'm saying but now here's where it gets even crazier than that this guy doesn't just hold his $90 he goes and puts it in the bank and so the bank holds 10% of that money and then loans out 90% of that to somebody else who then puts that money in the bank and then they take 10% of so when you actually look at the effect of it there's like not nearly as much money in the bank as we all think we have in the world so essentially if everybody came into the bank or even just too many people came into the bank and said we'd like to withdraw our money there's nowhere near enough money for them to give you so inherently the whole thing is kind of a house of cards it's like when you're going to a stadium you try to use your cell phone you realize there's no signal even though you have five bars because everyone's using their

59:46phone so there's no signal for you you can't get online you can't make a phone call right like this thing only works if we're not all trying to do it at the same time but if we do then we're in a lot of trouble yeah yeah cell phone towers get overwhelmed and they're [ __ ] yeah and you realize and then you realiz much well oh yeah yeah I have dude even just uh the other uh like a week ago I was on a a flight where the uh just like the wifi was out MH and so just like your phone's useless now you know and it's just it is such a weird feeling when you're just like like I guess I'll look on this TV thing now disconnected like it's like it's like you're almost instantly zoomed into like 15 years ago or something like it came back down you'd be excited let me check what I got yeah yeah what's my but it's but there was something kind of you know

60:36there is something kind of nice about it about putting your phone away for a little bit and just doing the old thing oh yeah no something very nice about it it's unfortunate but we're moving in that direction further and further and we're not coming back oh and you just got there's no fight in that you know when we were talking earlier about the gun control argument I think that is one of those other red and blue discussions where if you were on one side you're like we got to take all the guns away and it which is so crazy shortsighted it's the I mean it sounds like a [ __ ] up things to say but if things got way worse it could protect you from tyranny like it it's happened in the past it's a it's a real issue and to think it's not a real issue is so crazy it might not be a real issue with the current Administration but to give people more

61:21and more power as they acquire more and more power and then you see what happens at other countries that can happen here kids it can happen anywhere it is a a way human beings behave but but one of the things that is always stunning to me is this willingness this desire to ignore the fact that almost all these shooters are on psychiatric medications yeah and if you bring that up somehow or another you're a conspiracy theorist we are literally talking about chemicals that alter the way your mind works and there seems to be some connection whether it's because only a crazy person would wind up being a mass shooter maybe maybe that's it but the fact that there's no discussion of maybe there's a connection can it be it it it also might be because I don't know if if we actually know this or like if you're drug testing these shooters after but it

62:21could be also like being on this medication and then suddenly going off of the medication you know like it's hard to tell but that's still a concern about the medication itself is that like how are you going to make sure this person isn't going off it if that's the issue you can't control it right and then but look even on on a lot of these uh like SSRI uh uh psychotropic drugs they'll it they'll say in the disclaimer like side effects can be like uh um depression thoughts of suicide things like this like there are the the we're we're messing with chemicals in your brains and they're saying well for the most part we think it makes people feel less depressed but there are some people who it actually makes feel more depressed and then they'll even put Suicidal Thoughts on there and so you're like are you telling me that it's a

63:05crazy leap to think that if a drug might make you have Suicidal Thoughts it might make you have homicidal thoughts like is that is that crazy to say and then it's not crazy to say at all and look obviously like you're what you're saying here is like there's there's kind of like a circular like aspect to the argument because you could also make the point that you're like oh no the reason why so many of these Mass Shooters are on these drugs is because they're the type of people who would need these drugs but there's at least something to look at there where it's like yeah but is it possible that the drugs itself are making this worse because look we just when it comes at least to the school shooting you know stuff we did not have this problem before there there was a time in American history when this just was not happening and it was a time

63:47before we had this these drugs so there's at least at least raises the question of is it possible that this is actually what's going on and and how exactly can it be that like what like through all of human history it was just wrong and the truth is that children must be medicated like children must be on drugs as they're being raised up and it is it is um criminal it is Criminal how quickly the vast majority of of uh psychiatrists will just prescribe a little boy uh Aderall or you know I think that's more popular than rid and now or whatever the other one that new one that's the kind of Aderall is now they'll just put them on drugs like hey I can't sit still put them on drugs drug them that like you're not even talking about like like perhaps there is an argument to that there are there are certain people I think who need to be on medication I mean I've

64:38I've known people who have like a bipolar disorder and like if they don't take this medication they're going to be in a very bad place you know what I mean um but the idea that just like every little boy who can't sit still needs to be drugged is that's just insane if you've paid attention to the relationship between between pharmaceutical drugs and the salespeople and then the doctors and the the Cozy relationship that these people all have and you realize like well there's a lot of money to prescribing these drugs and as disgusting as that sounds people are willing to put people on drugs they may not even need that could have detrimental effects if it can be profitable and I think one of the things certainly I learned this in a very personal way um over the last few years and I think probably a lot of people listen did too is that a lot of doctors

65:29are let's just say totally reliant on whatever the institutions say and they will then come out in their white coat and be like I totally recommend this medication and it's just because one of these major institutions said it they're trusting them they have not done their own independent research on this at all I'm not sure if it's like how many cases it's because they're corrupt and it's actually it's profitable for them to do this or how many of the cases they've just kind of like accepted that the experts have them they themselves have accepted like the experts have figured this out and so it doesn't hurt that I'm making money off of this too but I'm going to tell you to do this but I had this experience um with with doctors telling me to uh not only telling me to get the covid vaccine but telling me to give it to my little children um

66:19starting it with my my boy was only a little over six months when they were were telling me to give him the covid vaccine and then I'm arguing with the doctor about it and I'm dominating him in the argument like he hasn't read half the [ __ ] that I've read about this and he has no response to like the the points that I'm bringing up and it's just very eye openening to be like damn man like I always just kind of trusted that my doctor knew more about medicine than I do and if he's recommending something it's because he's looked into it and knows that this is a you know Wise recommendation there's a lot of good doctors and there's a lot of doctors that are are not paying ATT attention and don't give a [ __ ] and are just working and shuffling patients in and out of their offices and they're in debt and then on top of that they're

67:04probably medicated the people that I know I know a couple people that are doctors that are shockingly medicated like they'll tell me that they're on this and that and that and this and this one for that and that one for this and this is a mood stabilized like whoa yeah so are you just like experimenting are you like going to your friend who's also a doctor and saying let's try that out let's try this out if you're just prescribing medication to people wouldn't it be even normal for you just to be taking a bunch of medication yeah well I guess so but dude I know I mean I know a lot of people I'm sure you do too I I bet everyone listening to this knows somebody who I know people who have like gone to therapy the first time had a 45 minute session and it ends with a prescription being put in their hand like they've talked to this person for

67:5445 minutes just had a like haven't even gotten to know them at all you know what I mean and just ends with the like here this is what you're on now we're going to try around with this and to me that sounds crazy by the way I should say just because the point you made and I like when you said there are a lot of good doctors out there I totally believe that too and doctors saved my son's life and those doctors are like the those doctors and nurses are like the greatest people I've ever met in my life and I I owe them everything I have like I owe them my house and my you know everything so I do I'm not like trying like say there aren't these amazing people particularly what's touched my life the most is like um pediatric uh cardiologists and and cardiac surgeons and stuff like that are freaking incredible um Neo uh Neo uh um excuse me

68:39niku nurses are literally the best group of people I've ever met in my entire life um so I'm not like trying to disparage the entire medical community it's just that there are so many like of your kind of family doctors pediatricians things like that who will just tell you to get your kids give your kids the co when there's no solid argument for that past the point when there even could have been an argument for that on top of that they fired those nurses that weren't willing to get vaccinated yeah even the ones that had had covid and got through it even the ones who were really good at Tik Tok dances they all got out they all got out they [ __ ] knew they knew that it imparted natural immunity and they're like no you got to be a part of the marked team yeah you got to get marked well and the you got be on the good side the craziest thing about that

69:24was that many of these these nurses at the point right cuz when when they were when the point when they were firing them was already well into 20121 I mean it must have been like in the summer of 2021 when that started happening and so these people had been working around covid positive people since what at the latest January of 2020 they went through the worst of it when there was no treatments available so 100% of these nurses had either either had Co and gotten over it or figured out how to protect themselves from getting Co by being you know like super careful with you know like n95 masks and washing their hands stff even that it's probably their antibodies it's probably their system that fought it off yes but I'm just saying none of them have not figured out how to like work under the conditions of the reality of of covid-19

70:16and so to then at that point and it was just what was amazing about it and it shows you a little bit about how the propaganda machine works is that the propaganda starts with and this happened several times throughout Co right where the propaganda starts being oh the nurses are the heroes every day at 600 p.m. in New York City we're going to open our windows and clap for them while we're all locked down because they're the healthcare workers and they're really on the front lines of this battle and then as soon as you're not compliant with uh with with the latest requirements of the regime your life's ruined end your there's no room for nuance there's no room for oh you've had it then you don't have to get it cuz then you're going to sell less vaccines right it's really that simple but there's also no loyalty to the like oh

70:59weren't they like our heroes last year and they're like nope they're not helping the current agenda but you saw that a lot with there there's a you can hear fouchy talking in 2020 about how we're never going to get a vaccine and even if we get a vaccine it's going to take a decade before we'd know it'd be safe and so blah because he was trying to sell the lockdown regime at the time and so he was saying like no no no no no don't think there's going to be something that gets us out of all of this we have to lock down that's the only way to do it but then as soon as that that switched and it was like okay now the plan is to push the vaccine it was like no you have to get the vaccine everybody has to get that no questions don't think about it don't do your own research I'm your own research yeah do you see what they're doing with

71:40soldiers so uh you know they fired a lot of soldiers who weren't willing to take the covid vaccine and now they're inviting them back yeah well they're having a a big recruitment issue in the military yeah well how many [ __ ] videos do you have of uh some Navy Soldier Navy who uh is doing a Tik Tok and he turns into a woman and dances around be like what I aren't you in the Navy yeah like shouldn't that [ __ ] be not what you're broadcasting like this is like what are you doing doing this for attention yeah you would like what's going on with the Navy you also would think and I'm not inside the mind of everybody who joins the military but I feel like that isn't what most of them get in it for you know what I mean like that would probably turn off a lot of the these uh these young Brave boys who want to like join the military to

72:28protect the Bill of Rights and defend our country and make sure your sister doesn't get attacked by a terrorist or something and they're not really like the wokest amongst us and uh yeah like that might win you some points in like Portland but I don't think that like most of the kids from like rural Texas or Alabama who want to sign up to enlist in the military uh they might be a little bit dissuaded by that culture I think you're going to turn them away oh [ __ ] the [ __ ] military's gone woke to yeah it's a Bud Light thing for the military yeah you know the military went Bud Light but it is look dude the the co stuff and the the woke stuff it all does just like it's like if you just try to like step out of a little bit of it and just like observe what's going on it's kind of easy to just be like oh like we're living through a moment of

73:18national Insanity yeah um let's hope this passes but this is this is craziness that for almost I think anyone else of any other generation it would be very easy to to describe exactly what you're seeing right now you'd be like oh this is insanity well it's the first time ever where propaganda has encountered New Media yeah it's the first time ever so everything seems so insane and if you're a person that's always gone like 100% mainstream news that's it you have narratives in your head like I know a lot of older people they have like very specific SE CNN or Fox News narratives in their head yeah well dude this is this is really to me very revealed with with Israel the with the war going on over there right now where you see that particular there's this huge generational Gap where it's like the older generation is like no I know

74:12what I know about this is this and I've always known that it's like the story here is that Israel just wants to exist and then these crazy barbaric uh Arabs just want to kill them and that's it and but you see amongst the younger generation a lot more of an understanding of of that that's not the entire story now I'm not saying they get everything right either but they at least know that like that's not the whole story um but look like well because of people like you that just laid it out and and here's the best thing about it what you're too many people believe that their side is correct and there's a solution if you really look at the whole thing you go boy that is insanely complicated and it's got such a history of horrific violence now and one of the other things I forgot to ask earlier the the origin of like when it was what what was it originally

75:05before it was Israel like what was it named like what's the history of that land well uh so was it ever a Jewish State before um I not I don't think a Jewish state but like Biblical times like the the Jews Like lived there but like uh but in the more like recent history um so before it was basically it was the Ottoman Empire ruled it for hundreds of years um and it was called Palestine but it was under the control of of the Turks of the Ottoman Empire um and so that was like I think for 400 years or something like that they controlled uh the area and then in uh so basically Zionism starts in the late 1800s uh this is when the first Zionist writers start and it starts uh mostly by uh or maybe exclusively but definitely mostly by Eastern European Jews uh and Zionism was uh reaction in my opinion a very understandable reaction to the pums

76:00which like dude if you ever want to not be able to sleep at night go read about the history of the pgrs it's the most disturbing thing in the world I'm not aware of it at all okay so basically there would be over and over and over again there were waves of what you would just describe as kind of state allowed in some cases State sanctioned um just waves of Mass violence against Jewish people in Eastern Europe and if you if you think like the um you know like if you ever like if you're in the dark recesses of the internet and you see some like anti-jewish conspiracy and you might kind of like roll your eyes at it and be like this is pretty stupid but the stuff back then it was like like a virus would come in and they would accuse the Jews of practicing black magic and that's why everyone's getting sick from this virus so like try arguing

76:52your way out of that one you know what I mean what year is this what time period this is this is happening um all throughout the uh the 1600s 1700s and and into the 1800s there waves of it over and over again and it's like I mean I'm talking about where like they would just storm Jewish areas and like literally the stuff that'll give you nightmares I mean it's like like like just rip your baby apart in front of you rape your wife make you watch and then beat you to death afterward and this happened over and over and over again and so the early zionists were basically like they were like we can't live like this anymore like we can't live with this just like waiting for the next pagum to happen so we're not doing this anymore and what we need is a Jewish homeland and that was kind of their conclusion and you can totally see where

77:39that's a totally reasonable conclusion in the face of that type of of violence now there were lots of other Jews who disagreed with them there were lots of Jews in fact at the time the only opponents of Zionism were Jews because they were the only ones who knew about this plan anyway it was only a small group of people but they were kind of like well no you're you're giving into the same anti-semitic narrative that we're trying to fight like because they'd be saying things like look we are different and we need to remove ourselves from society and they're like no that's what they're saying we disagree with that we just want to be you know members of the the society we live in and get we just want our like equal rights but anyway the Zionist took off one of the things that's really interesting if you read the early Zionist

78:20writings um they did not talk much about Arabs this is something Daryl Cooper did a really good job of covering in his uh series by the way but they were not talking about Arabs they they they very rarely mentioned them it was like they they kind of picked Israel because that was the place in their holy book um you know what I mean and that was like the history of oh this is where we started in Israel like those are our holy sites but none of the early zionists had been to Israel they or Palestine at the time they had never been to to this area they were just like this is the one in our holy book so like let's do it there and they don't talk much about s when they do they speak of them in pretty friendly terms they liked the Ottoman Empire the Ottoman Empire was was a lot cooler to the Jews than the Russian Empire where most of these Jews lived and they liked

79:04them the Ottoman Empire tended to let Jews practice their religion and work and stuff like that um and so their enemy was Europeans that's in the early Zionist writing the bad guy is the Europeans who keep oppressing us and then they're like look like let's let's they basically started organizing to like let's get people to go move to to Palestine and start a life there and over the years they started to gain um some influence over like some really wealthy Jewish financiers to kind of like back this is in what time period this is it starts in the late 1800s and then it kind of gets going in the in the first say like 15 years of of the of the 20th century they start building a little bit of momentum they start raising More Money More Jews start settling in Palestine and things were relatively peaceful there for for the beginning there were like there were

79:56incidents here and there but like relatively speaking the Jews who lived in in Palestine there were there were um Arab Christians and and Arab Muslims and they lived there and it wasn't like a disaster um and then things started getting much worse in uh during and and particularly after the first world war um there's the basically so in the first world war the Ottoman Empire goes to war with the British Empire and uh there were others involved as well but the Ottomans and the British Empire are fighting each other um and it's uh the first world war there's never been anything like it before in human history it's the biggest war at the time ever and it was very in doubt who was going to win I mean like the German like military was I think viewed as the the toughest at the time certainly their uh their their subs uh were like way more

80:51advanced than the other uh countries in there and Brit Brit Britain is uh pretty desperate at this point so the British uh they cut a deal with some of the the Arab Nations so the Arabs are are being ruled by the the Ottoman Empire at this point so the British convince them to rise up and fight against the ottoman uh Empire and then they say if you do that we'll grant you your Independence when the war is over and we've won but then at the same time they also uh um relas the B for declaration which is so this is in 1917 this is in the middle of World War I and they they write this B for declaration to the Rothchilds who were like a crazy Rich powerful banking family and they because they were they were zionists and so they write this letter or they were Pro the Zionist cause and so he writes this letter that says like um it pleases the king that

81:49there should be a Jewish homeland in Palestine so but he also said in the in the Declaration that um with respect to the rights of the non-jewish people there is kind of vague but it was kind of like the king basically saying like hey we Rothchilds we could really use some money for this war so here's like a declaration that like we'll support a Jewish homeland in in Palestine and then they also promis promised the French uh Syria when the war is over so they basically were just promising anyone whatever they can if you help our war effort and it's just like we got to win this war we'll figure it all out after that so then after the war there's all of these different groups who kind of feel entitled to it because they were promised and so the British Empire the the Ottoman Empire collapses after the war they lose then the British Empire uh

82:41takes control and they take control from the end of World War I up until uh 1947 and so the the land was uh you know under the control of European Empires for hundreds of years but if you ask me that's not really what counts like what really counts is like who was living there um you know I've heard uh again like Ben Shapiro uh kind of talk about this before I've heard um Laura ler who I just debated uh last week for uh for Zero Hedge um and they they'll both say they'll use this they'll be like there's no such thing as Palestine and there never was a thing as palestin you know like and basically what they're saying is that there was never an official government that this is the state government of Palestine it's just something a word people use to refer to this strip of land so they they don't have like a right to it cuz they

83:31never had like their government there but to me it's just like I don't know that's the most unamerican like way of looking at all you got to do is read our Declaration of Independence to know that that's complete [ __ ] it doesn't matter if that's not what counts doesn't matter if you had a government there just read the Declaration of Independence and that wipes all of that away sorry here's the deal we're free because God says so that is self-evident and doesn't need any more explanation than that that's the that's literally how the Declaration of Independence starts right it we we determine that it is self-evident that God gave us freedom so no argument about that we're free people and governments governments are just this thing that man institutes to protect our freedom and you know what if they're not doing a

84:14good job we have every goddamn right and maybe even a duty to overthrow them and create a new one so that destroys that case right there these people are there and they deserve natural rights just like everybody else does and there you know so anyway the things after this after the B for declaration and after World War I or when things start to get really really tense hold that thought I got to peek sure so we're going to come back we're going to come back from World War I okay sounds good all right we're back World War I okay well we were at I think the after World War I right so here's there's a little interesting uh detail of history that I always found that's really fascinating and so I don't again I'm I'm going to give Daryl Cooper Credit for this because I knew about this but I totally missed this aspect of it and I think yeah he covered it in one

85:02of in one of the uh episodes but so there was a after World War I there was this uh commission set up called the king crane commission and it was uh it was run by the Americans I believe if I'm not mistaken on this d double check me people who are listening on this but I believe initially the English and the French were supposed to be on board with it too but they pulled out and it just ended up being the Americans which is really a a shame because it probably would have held more weight if they had stayed in it but so the king crane commission basically was assigned to go on basically a fact-f finding mission to the Arab world because they're trying to figure out what we're going to do with these countries now you know like it's the Ottoman Empire used to rule them they've collapsed it the mentality there too was I mean this is like it's it's a

85:49pretty Colonial mentality too where it's like I mean obviously these people can't rule themselves so like what are we going to do who's going to figure it out you know um so they go they go to Syria and Palestine and they basically just interview thousands of people uh the interview thousands of people trying to figure out what's going on what people want I knew about this because one of the details that I always found really fascinating which I learned from uh Tom Woods who's a brilliant historian has an amazing podcast the Tom Woods show um that in in the king crane commission uh Syria overwhelmingly uh wanted the United States of America to be they asked them who what country would you like to rule over Syria under League of Nations mandate and they overwhelmingly wanted the USA and I just find that to be an interesting thing

86:36because it really kind of destroys the whole they hate us for our freedom you know narrative it's like actually no before we started conducting Wars in this part of the world they loved us for our freedom they liked that we were viewed as we weren't the imperialist country right like you don't want the English or the French those guys are but the Americans they're all about limited government and freedom right that was the perception of us before you know this is this is World War I we're not like the Empire yet um but so I always thought that detail was interesting but I did I either I read and forgot or I I never read the part that they come back about uh the zionists and they basically they come back to woodro Wilson and they say Point Blank that they're just like look this thing in the belf for declaration about like the idea of a

87:25creation of a Jewish state that is also respects the political and and civil rights of the Arab population is just not going to work out and that it's going to take an overwhelming amount of force to do this they said they think it's going to be an army of 50,000 people in order to force these you know like Arabs out and create some type of Jewish State and that it's really going to be and he says to woodro Wilson they say Mr President you should know that if you side with the Zionist project here you're committing not only yourself but all Americans to the use of force against these people in order to create this state and in order to maintain it and uh woodro Wilson shortly after that has a stroke and uh this advice just doesn't you know like get taken or anything like that but so that's so that's in the immediate aftermath of of

88:12World War I then the British take it over they they rule it through World War II and then this is where so before World War II say in like the 1920s the zionists are not having that much success they're a tiny percentage of the population over in uh uh in what is Palestine what is today Israel and the it's um I mean they're living there but this there this call for all Jews around the world to move there is really not going good because it's a totally new world now and the there were a lot of Jews who were very involved um with the Bolshevik Revolution and so now it's not the Russian Empire anymore this is the Soviet Union um and the Jews and again I'm not saying any conspiracy like it was the Jews who did Communism this but there were Jews involved in it you know lots of them weren't at all but Jews now are like given positions in government

89:11and their their religious freedom is is like being respected at this point Stalin later turns on the Jews but at this point he's cool with them so that problem isn't really happening with pgrs in Eastern Europe anymore um this is the Roaring 20s now right so Jewish people in England uh Jewish people in in New York City they're doing pretty good so this call of like abandon your country forget everything you have ever known to go live in a desert you know like just isn't resonating with people and uh the zionists are very adamant that they're like no no you don't understand this is the calm but another storm's coming because another storm always comes you know like they're just oh you think you're being accepted into this Society now but wait and see you're going to regret your decision to not leave and come here and so and then you have the

90:03rise of the Nazis in the 1930s and then the Holocaust in the in the 1940s and so it the zionists were kind of proven right in a massive way like kind of like see we warned you and now look at you look what happened you know and so this has uh you know after World War to particularly there's a huge you know like influx of Zionist settlers into where Palestine is now so now they start actually getting their numbers up to um where they could you know be like have a chance at actually creating their their own State and then that takes us kind of to what we what I led with I guess I did this kind of backward here but then start to 1947 when the British uh dropped the whole thing and then uh you know them them taking over control of 80% of the land uh and then 100% of the land and then all the way up to to today and you know like so anyway all of that

91:03like to get back to like October 7th is it's like yo that was like a horrifically brutal attack and it's just like un it's like unfathomable and I know they you know a lot of people do compare that to the pgrs um or call that a pag grum but there there is like it is a different situation than what was happening in in Eastern Europe to Jews it's a different situation than what happened under the Holocaust it's just you know what was the original hatred from the original hatred in Eastern Europe um you know that I think it was there was a lot of anti-Semitism I'm not exactly sure in that in that culture what it was that they blamed the Jews for um I think that the Jews were they were a distinct minority who had a different religion and different traditions and kind of like you know what I mean and and I I you know I don't know I I i' have to read into that more

91:59like what the stated grievances were but I'm telling you that I know one of them was that when viruses were going around they'd blame the Jews for practicing black magic and so I do think some of them were just on that goofy level of it was just like tribalist hatred did you ever see that really old cartoon where at one point in time it was a a like a Jew dressed as a wolf oh what was that like a Nazi or wolf chest as a j no it was like [ __ ] like an old Mickey Mouse cartoon oh yeah I don't know if I've seen this one I can't remember but there was some this look at this oh yeah wow it's a wolf dressed as a I so no wasn't a w yes see there it is so he's oh it was a wolf pretending to be a Jew yes oh I took that all the wrong way at first I thought it was a Jew pretending to be a wolf no wolf with a Jew mask on but how crazy is that this is 1933

93:10yeah how Wild is that yeah it is it is pretty wild to say Three Little Pigs 1933 the Jew Peddler scene now didn't they change it in the future I think in the future they redid it and they turned it into just a wolf yeah so this is the one on the right see what it's the the cleaned up verse and they stopped having it be be a wolf pretending to be a person that was the the first iteration of wokeness was they were like yeah we can't really get away with that Jew thing anymore isn't that wild it is pretty wild you know it's wild about like uh that time um when you see like the uh the propaganda that was for adults clearly at that time um but it would be cartoons have you ever seen the one there's the one where it's uh Daffy Duck not is it Daffy Duck or wait I'm confusing the two ducks it's one of those Ducks but it's a whole like pay your

94:06taxes I think is it Donald yes Donald Duck sorry I always get I always get those confused and I got little kids I should be better and then there's the one duck that's like really rich who's the one duck that Scrooge McDuck I believe Scrooge un SC Uncle scro that's right yeah he was his uncle right uh but do you ever see the one I'm talking about is like pay your taxes I do believe I yes let me see that might be Disney War propaganda Donald Duck versus taxes it's just here it goes the video looks [ __ ] wow 1943 yes payday millions of dollars pouring into the hands of the American worker now in the mind of the average worker live two separate personalities one the Thrifty Scrooge wait a bit ly you're going to save a bit of that aren't you oh yeah yeah yeah yeah sure often times idle money Burns a hole in your pocket which brings up the other

95:06personality the spend Thrift look at this he's a pimp sh come on with me I'll show you how to spend your dates but ly I've got some better dates important ones too when every American should pay his or her income tax gladly and proudly this year thanks to Hitler and hito taxes are higher than ever before will you have enough money on hand to meet your payments when they fall you ah we'll take care of that later all right get it but you don't want to forget our fighting men do you no sir then you'll have to start saving right away to meet your tax payments listen CH spend it yeah it goes on I think for a while but isn't it like is it crazy this is for grown-ups yeah you must save for victory what's money for spend it shoot the works itend he trying to get him into the idol hour [Laughter] oh look it's a Nazi SW you see and that's what happens when you don't give

96:32your taxes you go through the idol hour Club it's a swastika for a front door yeah well you didn't pay your taxes support your boys look he's got swastikas in his eyes they made him look like Hitler oh my God they gave him a Hitler mustache and the little swoop and a swasti for a tie oh my God this is crazy and then how like well you know it was pretty easy to distribute propaganda back then yeah you could make cartoons for grown-ups and that would convince them look what they did with Reefer Madness oh yeah Reefer Madness in what was it the 30s when they put that out [ __ ] people up for a hundred years I know it's and it's amazing that it says something about how different our uh culture is though that like that type of propaganda would work back then and how much more sophisticated it has to be today you know like it was like a

97:23simpler time well now it's comedy if you watch Reefer Madness now it's a comedy like a thing that was meant to terrify you is now unintentionally hilarious yeah and and just imagine like if people if if someone from like say like you took someone from the 1930s and just showed them like an action movie today like like a high deaf action movie they'd be like what in the world is this like they would just blow their minds you know I mean fast in the Furious 15 or whatever or like they're used to a movie where it's like ah see hey we got a Dame coming and then like you just showed them this like just isn't it also interesting that we accepted a certain very specific way of talking that is completely unnatural for a narrator a narrator to be explaining what is happening to Donald Duck yeah I uh it's like a weird [ __ ] DJ voice thing I I

98:13was watching uh recently with my daughter the uh the original Frosty the Snowman movie and the movie just opens with some guy you know he just like was it was the fo snow of the season and all Frosty it come up you know what I mean it's just such a I actually found it kind of great cuz I was like this is just such a lost like thing I'm kind of glad she's seeing this you know what I mean CU it's just such a different time and a different you know what I mean like a a different voice and a like it's it's very strange it's it's kind of cool in a way I I'm interested in that time period I mean not so much the pay your tax propaganda that part I don't like but Frosty is snowman but Frosty Frosty was cool that that guy was all right the freeze Meister remember that dude I'm just I'm think how would you have seen this in 1943 when it came out like in movie

99:04theat like before something like just they played a bunch of [ __ ] yeah i' imagine theat they would play the news in movie theaters so you'd go to the movie theater and they would show you what is going on in World War II Allied troops they would show you like footage but you talk about how easy it would be to just capture the narrative completely back then you know like it was uh false Flags they were so easy to pull off look at the golf of tonan they're so so easy to pull off yeah they they would get away with a lot of that stuff and then you know look it's obviously you know world war in World War I like to me World War I is the big one I think woodro Wilson's the worst president in the history of the United States of America uh he did more damage to just the entire world and particularly our country it's the guy you know like I

99:50hate him because he created the Federal Federal Reserve in the income tax uh or sign them into law in his administration but he's the one getting us into World War I and this is why my thing isn't like oh I blame Israel for everything or I blame the Jews for everything I blame Washington DC for everything like I really I mean again not everything bad things happen in the world but there's so much responsibility on on the US federal government because basically World War I was a war that we never should have been involved in it had nothing to do with us um it was a war between Europe an monarchies you know what I mean battling over who runs the world and all of the advice of all of our founding fathers was like that's exactly why we're here to not be a part of that right like if you read anything that uh that Adams or Thomas Jefferson

100:39or George Washington said about foreign policy it was all like that is what you do not do do not get into entangling alliances between these despots that's not what we're here for what we're here is to be a city on a hill to have free people you know that's I mean short as they may have fallen of that Vision the whole slavery thing was a pretty big one but regardless that was what they said and then World War I comes along and it's like textbook like yes don't get involved in this and the war was basically thought to a stalemate before America got involved and then America got involved and tipped the balances over so much so that Not only was it not a stalemate anymore but they got an unconditional surrender out of the Germans and then because they got this unconditional surrender they forced the Treaty of Versailles on the Germans and

101:28totally like just you know devastated Germany and humiliated them in front of the world and then that's the ground by which the Nazis rise up and then that's the ground by which we're in a second world war you know what I mean uh and so and then these two things the first world war and the second world war just the biggest bloodbaths in human history just goddamn horrific I mean you know you think if we if we think now oh it's it's kind of depressing how bad things are going in this area or this area I mean man nothing is like the two world wars that we fought in the 20th century just nothing just people by the tens of millions dying I mean just to put in perspective and this this assault on Gaza is pretty damn awful and what are the estimates like 10,000 people died there it's it's horrific and I don't know if those numbers are exactly right

102:10or not a lot of that does come from Hamas so I don't know but a lot of people are dying thousands of people are dying for sure for sure but by the tens of millions people were dying in the world wars and it's just like the it's on a level can't even fathom right but the real fear is that that could escalate again and then we could have something like that again and it's much more scary now well yes but the prospect of a World War is we have um you know much more power and much more devastating military weapons than we ever did so yeah you really want to avoid one now even more than you wanted to avoid it there but I mean basically I I'd say that it's just like right and and look would you say there's the threat of it spreading to a wider conflict there's no question about that I mean you got you got Hezbollah right there in Lebanon they're a strong

102:56fighting force man and they really hate the Israelis because Israel occupied them for for a while and they successfully drove Israel out of Southern Lebanon and you've got Iran of course who the Israelis have have hated for years and they hate them right back too and there's been a whole bunch of people in Washington DC who have been have been dying for a war with Iran for a long time now I mean they wanted that war in Iran under George W bush they didn't get it um but they this was if you know we always go back to that um Wesley Clark the plan of all the countries they were going to topple Iran is the last one and they say that he says that specifically ending with Iran like that's the goal you know and so you have them in the region you have uh you know the the Saudi Saudis in the region you know there's all but the houthis now

103:42who have have are are flirting with joining into this conflict against uh Israel so there's a whole like possibility for this to spread to a wider war and I just think that it's like um the response so far from Israel and the response from the US government have basically saying yeah we'll we're going to back them no matter what they do is the most dangerous way to handle this because you are really now um risking this thing escalating and getting out of control and if you want an actual solution to this I just the only way to actually do it is you just like you just got to let these people go you just got to let them be free and I'm not saying that there's no I'm not like some type of hippie on this I'm not saying that like there should be no violence as a response to October 7th I mean OB obviously Israel has every right after

104:34that to try to kill those people who who came and did that to them obvious I think first you try to negotiate all the hostages out which there is some attempt to be to being done right now but they have every right to like find those people and kill them but you should do it in a way that absolutely leads to the least amount of Civilian casualties possible and not talking this rhetoric about flattening Gaza doing whatever it takes to to get rid of Hamas which is like what okay what does that even mean what would it take like how many tens of thousands of babies got to die in order for you to do that and that's a that's a much different thing than just saying like the people who did this attack you know what I mean like that we're going to flatten all of Gaza those are very different things and but the the reality is that people make you know like I was

105:18debating this Laura lomer uh uh lady and she's saying to me the whole time basically it's like it's like George W bush stuff it's like oh it's radical Islamic terrorism and it's the problem is Islam and the problem is that they're just so crazy and they're just so barbaric and they just hate us for our freedom and so you can't give them their freedom because blah then and it's like look man there's if the problem is just radical Islam well there's a there's a big issue with that right and it's that Israel has had peace with Egypt since the 1970s Israel has had peace with Saudi Arabia Israel has had peace with with Jordan Israel all of these surrounding like Arab countries haven't gone to war with Israel for decades you know and what do you didn't tell me there's not a radical Islam problem in Egypt you think there's not a radical Islam how about

106:08Saudi Arabia you know what I mean like there these are R there are plenty of issues with radical islamists in those countries but they're not constantly going to war with with Israel and part of that because Israel doesn't occupy them you know like they have the issues that Israel has had has been in southern Lebanon with Hezbollah and in Gaza with with uh Hamas and with years ago some terrorists in in the West Bank um there all the areas that they occupied you know and so like the only answer here is to just like let these people go let them have their freedom do what do whatever you can to like targeted operations to take out the people who were responsible for October 7th but you got to really offer them a deal and not like the deals that they pretended to offer them in the past cuz I know that's the other narrative too that that benot

106:55types like say all the time is we offered them everything we offered them everything they wanted and they said no which just on the face of it should sound a little ridiculous to you how many negotiations do you know that go that way right here's everything you want no I'll continue to be occupied like what this is ridiculous um and so what what is the solution like is there a solution in terms of like a percentage of land that you have to give back to them and creating a different relationship I think that uh the and is that even possible is if Hezbollah exists is that even possible well Hezbollah is over in in Lebanon ham if Hamas even exists is that even possible well look I mean right now obviously like we're in the M they're in the middle of a war um and so this is you know but I'll say this when Arafat um who was was the leader of

107:48Palestine for a while there when he came to the table and even what Hamas like I mentioned this earlier even what Hamas has said in the past is that they agree to recognize Israel in 67 borders and the 67 borders are referring to Before the War in 1967 1967 bers yes so what they refer to when they say that is you know when I said the UN recommended the Israel the Jews get 56% of it they fight this war they ended up getting closer to 80% of it that's 60 that's 67 borders Israel gets 80% of it but there's and they're now so they're willing to accept 8020 they they have said they're willing to accept 8020 on the record many times now they've also there's also been lots of rhetoric that you know like Hamas has used that's that kind of you know counters that but I think there's almost no question that they would take that deal if they were offer and if it's 8020

108:40what happens to all the Jewish settlers that live in the area that's now part of that 20 well how many people are we talking about um you know I don't know the exact numbers there's not they they already moved out the settlers who were in the Gaza area they do have uh settle settlements in the West Bank and I don't know what exactly the the negotiation of that would be but you know the truth is that it was illegal for Israel to build those settlements there's a violation of international law settlements yeah well they just kind of kept moving because this is basically the since the the late 1970s they've been in what they called the peace process where the government of Israel has kind of said that one day we're working toward giving them their own State at some point um but then they just kept building these settlements on

109:34Palestinian territory and like building these big Jewish settlements there and then it's like oh yeah no there's no this is just indicating that there's no plan to to move you know what I mean to ever move toward granting the Arabs Independence so is it individuals that are doing these settlements is are they being guided or funded or cuz what one of the things that I saw that was like super disturbing I don't know how accurate this is or what the actual story was was there was a Jewish settler who had taken over the home that a Palestinian family had had at one point in time yeah how does that work well you know that's uh there there have been cases of that well it works because the government allows them to do it and that those Palestinian people have no rights and if they decide they're going to do it they let them do it and this has kind

110:18of been what's going on the whole time Palestine or is it in Israel is it in Gaza that I I don't know the specific story you're talking about but I do know that the there's been in both for years in both Gaza and the West Bank which are basically you know the two the two big sections that are Palestinian territory but really controlled by the Israelis um that they've done there's been settlement building on both sides of them I don't know the specifics of that uh that story but there's been there's little stories of like really you know [ __ ] up things happening on on all of this and it's been it's been waves of that for a very long time so those people have all moved out since October 7th is that what you're saying wait you're settl no in Gaza no they moved out before that so they uh so in in 2005 the um the Israelis did move all

111:10those settlers out and they uh they if the way they'll say it is they ended the occupation of Gaza the a more accurate thing is that the IDF pull out of internally martial law style policing Gaza and it's like uh Sheldon Richmond who as I mentioned before wrote a great book uh on this topic Coming to America the way he described it is he goes it's kind of like if all the prison guards left the prison but they locked all of the doors and surrounded the perimeter you know and then they went see we freed you you know it's like no that's not so it's then so they pull out they still controlled the Border they still controlled what went in and out there's no Airport they they're have no sea port they're not allowed to come and go as they please they need permission from from the Israelis in order to do so they control the electricity the utilities

112:01the amount of medicine that gets in this is why International you know human rights organizations like uh Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch they they say they were like no this is still occupied territory like sorry that doesn't count that just because you're not doing martial law anymore it doesn't mean it's not an occupied territory but then it was so this was in 2005 and then in 2006 uh at the insistence of the Americans because this is George W Bush when we were going on that whole spreading democracy around the world thing remember how great that was that worked out um yeah it was fantastic and so condesa rice and George W bush they were the one that insisted that they should have elections in Gaza so they kind of like it was their idea and um that this is when Hamas won uh they won like a plurality uh and and took like most of

112:53the seats in their little like uh Parliament thing or whatever it is and um so that was and that's what a lot of people refer back to when they go you know um today a lot of the Hawks who are who are supporting the war you'll hear them say oh they voted for Hamas so this is kind of what they get because they voted for Hamas they're talking about back in 2005 um which is you know I mean half the population there I think is under 18 so none of them even voted in in that election you know what I mean and it's not like they won like uh like an overwhelming super majority or anything like that but so that's what uh so it was around that time in 2005 where they did get those settle uh those those settlements out the Israeli government forced them I think they kind of did like a um like I think they they paid them off to move type of thing so like

113:40an eminent domain deal like where you know here take this money you got to move but you don't have any choice about it you got to move right so that might be a necessary part of uh of some of this or maybe an arrangement could be worked out where those settlements are kept I do just think that it's um if you if you want to move toward any type of serious solution to this in in the same way you know like the other week that Osama Bin Laden's uh letter to America went like super viral on on Tik Tok and then they scrubbed it off of the Guardian as a response to it which is just number one like what is that doesn't that just say everything about our society is that that's the response to scrub it off the guardian take it down so people can't see it the guardian being the newspaper covered it yeah the they had uh they had published it and it

114:24had been up there I think since and what were they they were concerned that it was encouraging people to support it yeah like a bunch of a bunch of ticktockers like young Lefty ticktockers started like making these videos where they're like Osama Bin Laden was right about everything and then they were getting heat for it so they just took it down I mean you can still find it like on the archives and stuff but it's still a lot of people's videos are still up right it's a lot yeah I don't know I don't know about that I'm not on Tik Tok I kind of just saw on Twitter when people were sharing the Tik Tok videos so I don't know if they were taking him down I know Tik Tok takes down stuff pretty quickly but I don't know I don't know what they were doing with uh with that I don't why would they take that down though if I was a Chinese run

115:02propaganda corporation uh Tik Tok removes hashtag for Osama Bin Laden's letter to America after viral video circulate so it did just remove the hashtag the guardian also pulled the text of the al-Qaeda Founders letter from its website After People cited it on Tik Tock and X that's uh not the correct response yeah I I was I mean listen Osama Bin Laden was trained by the United States like the he was a part of our our thing to run the mujahadin to fight the Soviets and not just trained but trained for a specific uh uh reason trained to lure a superpower into a war in Afghanistan that will bankrupt them yeah I mean we trained about how to do it and then fell for it the idea that you shouldn't read that guy's words oh it's well it just shows you that like that's ifying September 11 it's just like understand that there's a lot of

115:57contributing factors to all these Global conflicts yeah educate yourself and look like the people were all arguing about it too because obviously it's kind of stupid for like a young Tik tocker to be like the takeway is that he was a good guy or something like that like that's pretty ridiculous but then people would like kind of point to what they want to in the situation but basically the letter says it's like I mean to sum it up it's kind of like um he goes you you know you may be wondering why we attack you well we attack you because you attack us and then a whole bunch of islamist talk a whole bunch of praise be to Allah and Sharia law she'll sweep the world and all of that and then a list of grievances along with that and one of the major ones is what it's that we we prop up Israel who has stolen the land from the Palestinian and keeps them

116:44under subjugation that we have military bases in their Holy Land in Saudi Arabia that we use those bases for the bombing and sanction campaigns that killed so many Iraqi babies and that we prop up these dictators in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and like I think the takeaway from that is not therefore Osama Bin Laden was right to kill a bunch of innocent people in the Twin Towers because that's stupid and evil and it's the it's the same justification in a way but I shouldn't even say this not in a way osam Bin Laden made the exact same argument that the people who are saying they voted for Hamas therefore can kill them or make it that's what he said he was like you vote for your government and your government does all this stuff to us so you American citizen are fair game for us to attack and any decent Persians to just immediately reject that

117:36like no it doesn't follow that because you have elections that therefore if any crime that Bill Clinton commits you can now go kill some baby for like that's insane that doesn't make any sense but in the same sense the idea that some Palestinian baby doesn't have any rights in his fair game to just be blown up and even if you want to make the argument that like okay but we're not trying to blow up that baby we're just willing to blow up that baby while we're trying to catch some bad guys it's just like that's just not right it's just like that's not fair that's not just that's we would never we would never accept that if we were talking about our kids you know what I mean like uh if if some murderer even a mass murderer ran into a care and you know held a bunch of people as hostages and said using them as human Shields let's say we would never say

118:29okay well the Sheriff's Department's going to come down and blow up the building we' be like wait what right like that's insane dude like what you couldn't even imagine if that was suggested if it was like our kids there you'd be like out what are you out of your mind okay take that option take that off the table what else you got you know and like but why should that be acceptable like in this case argument against it is that Hamas is doing this on purpose and that they're putting all of these uh military bases oh this is another thing you brought up you said that there was this talk of tunnels that were under one of the hospitals and you said some of it was computer generated images yeah well this is just uh just recently so the the alifa uh Hospital there right so the Israeli government said there was like a raid on the

119:19hospital and they uh they said that this was there was a huge like network of tunnels and that this was basically their Command Center was under this this hospital and they they created a computer generated like image of what they say it looks like what's under there um and it kind of you ever remember uh I think it was Coen Powell who had the ones of Osama bin Laden's layers it was like this crazy complicated none of it none of that was real um so but they that's right that was like there was like super sophisticated it's like yeah inside of like like looks like a volcano type thing this is where they're Wild by the way which one the colon Powell's uh diagram of Osama bin Laden's super sophisticated uh evil villain layer that was carved into the side of a mountain I think it was in the same UN speech where he brought the vials of I might be wrong about that I

120:14might have been from a different yeah yeah yeah I think it might have been a different one but uh yeah um but so so they release that and then they go in and they rate now part of I think you know the reason why they were suggesting that's what it is is because it would you know it would require such a justification because when you're going and attacking a hospital you know like you'd need something really crazy to be under there right um and then look it's kind of it's a little bit in doubt exactly what it is so they get there and the IDF releases videos of um in the hospital and there's like a couple rifles in the hospital wasn't there also videos of Hamas like funneling hostages through a hospital or something like that that one I have not seen um but in this video they just basically show you there are some weapons and then they

121:09showed you kind of like the opening of like what appears to be a tunnel underneath uh the hospital but they say oh it's booby trapped and so we can't go in there and no journalist can go in there so we don't actually see what's uh like you know what I mean like exactly what's going on like there certainly hasn't been any proof that it was exactly what the computer uh uh generated image was then another interesting uh little detail here is uh but there is a tunnel opening yes for sure but then Barack who was the former uh prime minister of of Israel he said recently in an interview uh he said we know that there's tunnels there because we built them them and so and the the interviewer questions him again she goes I'm sorry did you misspeak or did you say you know that there were tunnels there cuz you built them and he goes no no I'm saying

122:02we built them back when we were in when we were doing martial law and the IDF was in Gaza in the 80s we built this tunnel underneath this hospital so we know that it's there um so I guess they he said they built it to like expand the hospital or something like that um but it was a weird admission so it's like cuz he's saying we know it's there because we built it but then the real question isn't then so then if you say that well then just showing me the picture of a tunnel proves nothing at all cuz that's not even indicating that Hamas is using this as some type of central you know command station um so the question is what was being used there and by the way I am not at all to be clear I'm not saying like I wouldn't be shocked if I found out that there were Hamas people in yeah like all of this could be true but we have not seen

122:49any evidence to back up that claim just heard uh you know assertions made by the Israeli government um so that's you know what I mean that's did you find that Powell thing I found it the smallest picture of all time it's it wasn't very good picture at all and then I found the speech he had the speech didn't have the video or the pictures of it I'll show you what I found you know they found uh the uh the Temple of the first emperor of China and I think they found it in 1974 this is from they they buried him 2,200 years ago and they uh protected him with terracotta statues of soldiers you ever seen this and they're terrified to go into the the the tomb because there's all these writings about it having rivers of mercury and booby trapped and and it's supposed to be like unbelievable riches but it's so they're so concerned like trying to send a scientist through

123:47there and trying to open it up and find out what would I mean even to ,200 years later that there literally might be rivers of mercury that's pretty wild some [ __ ] Indiana Jones [ __ ] you ever seen what it looks like no I don't think so dude there's it's insane they I believe they found it in 74 somewhere around then okay and this is the very first emperor of China and as they uncovered more and more and more they found an a literal Army I don't know how many what the number of these terracotta St statues of soldiers but it's [ __ ] insane wow and this is all lined up in front of his tomb how many of them were there so find the the first emperor find uh Tomb of the first emperor of China uh 8,000 soldiers 130 chariots 520 horses 150 Cavalry horses the majority of which remain in situ in the pits near

124:49I don't know how to say that King shei hang's mum other non-military ter terracotta Figures were found in other pits including officials acrobats strong men and musicians D you think about how much effort it would have taken to make all of that 2,000 years ago here it is 100 flowing Rivers were simulated using mercury and above them the ceiling was decorated with Heavenly Bodies below which lay the features of the some translations of this passage refer to models or imitations however those those words were not used in the original text with which also makes no mention of the Terracotta Army hide levels of mercury were found in the soil of the Tomb Mound giving credence to I don't know how to say his name SEI Quan's account also the emperor is well documented for building Monumental statues in human form during his Reign such as the 12 metal colassi what is

125:49that click on that 12 metal colassi what is that 12 meters high oh let's find a picture why do they call it 12 metal 12 metal colassi 12 Bronze Statues cast let's see is there photos of these things it's not there but how crazy is that there's there is high levels of mercury in the soil and they're really concerned that if they open up a door rivers of mercury will flow out and kill everybody like how much mercury did they get yet where did you get all that mercury why were you storing all that mercury down there how did you store all that mercury how did how did you know that it would [ __ ] stay there and not kill everybody how did you get it there how many people died moving it there rivers of mercury see like you would say ordinarily that's nonsense but the amount of dedication they had towards their emperor that they were building

126:40this after and the fact that the soil tested high in mercury that the those two combined does make it enough where like I'm not opening it up Jesus Christ I'd like someone else to do it and bring a video camera but I'm not going to be there yeah can't we send some robots to open that up but imagine if it just flows out like that would be so wild get some GoPro footage of rivers of 2,200 year old Mercury yeah that would be pretty nuts how much would it take to do that like how much mercury would you need like what are we talking about where's Mercury come from I I how do you get it have no answer for you on how this possibly could be true how do you get Mercury like if you want to get Mercury for a thermometer where you getting that I don't know I've never even thought of it not until right now I never even thought where could one get

127:24Mercury thought a lot about it Chinese people they put a lot of thought into it the [ __ ] they did if they have rivers of mercury Wai waiting to kill you if you open up the tomb Mercury occurs naturally in the Earth's crust it's released into the environment from volcanic activity weathering of rocks and as a result of human activity so how would you produce Mercury how do you refine it it's a naturally occurring chemical element found in rock in the Earth's crust so they figured this out 2,000 years ago how to refine this what did they do like how did they refine it like how did they get it to the point where there's so much of it you have rivers of it that cinear stuff came up before when we were looking at stuff uh I think maybe with brimer ESU an ore in combination with cinear it tends to be found in high concentration and

128:15Geographic grinding cinear wow I know they used it for Red like anything red back for forever was imagine if that's your job and you know it's going to kill you you have to make mercury for the the emperor's Temple to to to set up a booby trap so you're out there just making Mercury all day just dying I bet I bet those people have pride in their job in their job they're like hey someone's got to make the emperor's Mercury you know I'm out here doing it I wonder you need a Mercury to get gold oh wow how's that I'm looking at something that says cinear is a mineral from which Mercury is extracted both are highly toxic few countries still permit cinear Mercury mining Mercury was very important in gold mining so they had a lot of gold back then right didn't they I yeah I think so that's I think that's when they were starting so that's probably a side

129:07effect of their gold mining is that they had all this Mercury does that make sense I don't know how do you getting how are you getting rivers of it yeah the rivers of it don't really make sense to me but that also may not be true what is yeah well it might be true though that's yeah if there's high levels of mercury that is I will say that would gives that gives you a little bit of pause yeah one thing I've heard that hasn't come up a lot is like when people there's all those uh puddles on the ground if not puddles are just like reservoirs of water to look at the stars it's easier to look down than look up all night so they would make something reflective to show the Stars coming like coming over in certain patterns or whatnot Mercury's also highly reflective so if they had oo puddles of mercury that they would use for like mirrors to look at the stars

129:48wow yeah maybe but so the amount of effort theoretically to collect all this Mercury rivers of it and store it in there for what purpose booby trap just so that you couldn't come in so if someone comes in they get flooded with Mercury and they never get to the emperor's riches okay apparently there's [ __ ] a gajillion dollars worth of [ __ ] in there oh all right see now you made it a little bit more interesting okay I didn't realize that's what they were keeping you from so now are you going to roll the dice on the rivers of mercury for a jillion dollar [ __ ] come on get a hazmat suit and a [ __ ] scuba let's go yeah don't they have those [ __ ] Dara robots get one them Dara robots to lift off the lid yeah I can't believe you couldn't like figure something out yeah like one of those robot those like

130:38the bomb you know robots you see them sometimes in like Time Square or something like that but if it's really River then you going to lose all the Terracotta statues which are like a National Treasure well you want to roll the dice on more treasure you got to risk some statues maybe you have to move the statues can you imagine I mean they they moved entire temples in in Egypt do you ever see what they did no oh my God what an undertaking massive enormous statues they saw them and move them I believe it was to make room for a dam oh okay I think that's what it was so they took it apart and then put it back they took it apart and put it back together again W and you know these epic works of stone art from thousands and thousands of years ago and they're [ __ ] sawing them and lifting them and moving them it's such a weird thing like find that

131:29footage cuz it's crazy what they did isn't it weird to think about the idea like like we we build some buildings to be cool looking buildings today you know what I mean like some of the new buildings we built but almost all of them are just built with like a purpose you know what I mean and it's so it's so like weird to think about a time when human beings were just like in the game of building gigantic monuments to look cuz like can you imagine in a world with like uh with with look I guess we don't know exactly what technology they had at the time but just like back then like to just go and see the pyramids or something like that would just be like whoa I I would if I had like a moment in history like they only pick one time where I could exist in like a bulletproof bubble where nothing could touch me but I could stand and observe I

132:16would want to be like right at the plateau like right in front of Great Pyramid what did you do yeah what what was your culture like how did you guys do this no one knows it's a 100% guesswork when they talk about the construction of it it's the dumbest theories none of them make any sense not a single one from the simple fact that they're cutting these things from a quarry that was hundreds of miles away and they're moving these [ __ ] giant Stones many of them weigh 50 tons plus through the mountains through the mountains 500 miles to get to Giza how and every like um attempted explanation always just falls short like they used pulleys and ropes and levers it's so spectacular what they did that it defies any conventional explanation if you told a a construction company that they had to do that and they had to do it within

133:11the life of a pharaoh which is the most ridiculous proposal because if you cut in place 10 stones a day I believe it is it would take you 66 64 years to make the pyramid cut and placed massive enor so this is it they they saw this [ __ ] face off they saw this whole thing it's it's crazy when you see the video footage of it cuz that thing they moved all of that and they moved it over a relatively short period of time couple years which is so nuts and so they sought it and moved it and sought it and moved it you know what's one of the most amazing things that I've um been uh educated on about uh Egypt is not even just the pyramids the pyramids are insane but their Pottery is nuts their Pottery is nuts they have taken um computer uh measurements of it so they've taken like you mean like their anci Pottery 3D some of their Pottery is not Pottery it's

134:15carved out of insanely hard Stone in perfect symmetry with a handle where if you spin it on a on a wheel it's perfect it's within a less than a human hair difference on each side and we have no idea how they did it yeah like how they're just the just these these c not ceramic these Stone vases that they buildt defy explanation well it's it's yeah and that's that's part of the thing about the pyramids too right it's the level of precision it's the level of like how they face true north east and west not just that the faces the faces are perfectly symmetrical and and from our understanding of what tech what technology they had like what the official historical kind of you know what they would say it's like well that just makes no sense you're saying with no technology they were able to do this thing that we with our modern technology

135:07can't figure out that doesn't make sense it's like something else and the thing and I learned I learned all the stuff from you like I didn't know nothing about this until I I heard you talk about it uh years ago but the water erosion on the Sphinx is a really big to that I've never heard of satisfactory like rebuttal too yeah these are the these are interesting things that they're making Jamie but the ones that are really [ __ ] insane I know but it says like they're keeping their ancestors Traditions alive here it shows them digging with these crazy tools into the ground they're also using steel supposedly steel what hadn't even been invented then they were just using copper these guys are all using steel I mean look it's this is all beautiful work but this is not those vases those impossibly symmetric vases the some of

135:50these things um that you see them they're like insanely hard and okay there's no evidence of a diamond use in ancient Egypt allthough substance like that must have been utilized some of these vases you know when they they find the perfectly intact ones they're impossibly symmetrical and they they seem to have been carved out where they have like a very small lip but they go inside and it's perfectly carved out in the center like how did you do that how did you do that and how did you make it perfectly symmetrical you're not even spinning it on a wheel because you have handles on it so how did you put the handles and how how' you make the handles perfectly symmetrical so do you think and by the way you know a lot more about this than me but do you think it is like the most cuz again the one I said the water erosion on the Sphinx is

136:31the one that gets me that I've never heard a a good rebuttal to CU it's it's clearly water erosion it's not just water it's thousands of years of rainfall right and if you and they know that there wasn't rainfall in that period from like 10,000 years or something like that right so do you think it's that the most plausible explanation is that all of this stuff is not the time period that we put ancient Egypt it's many many years before that and there must have been we must have been at some type of peak of technological advancement that is a different type of peak than we've arrived at today we don't really understand what that is and then all of that kind of that collapsed and what we think of as ancient Egypt is just kind of like what was left after that and basically people just walked into these things that they had already been built

137:20yes is that like the most reasonable exp the most reasonable and it's also the most reasonable when you consider what they did to the pyramid because the pyramid would the Great Pyramids the Great Pyramid was covered with smooth Limestone and they looted it to create Cairo so the same Knuckleheads that existed after the pyramids were built were so stupid they they took chunks of the pyramid off to build like [ __ ] shitty houses that was so that was your the uh you had the old bit about that it's like the same guy who built it is like is the guy with like the dog on a canoe you're like you're like I think that was the dummy who did that one I don't think yeah I think dudes just showed up and they just they showed up for Pay Day and the smart people were all dead that was my joke was that we're the idiot Stone the the children of the idiot Stone

138:04workers of Egypt but I think it's the younger D impact Theory I think that's the most plausible and that's because there's physical evidence of it and that's something that Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock have talked about extensively and then there's this whole group of uh actual scientists that are studying this impact Theory because they have physical evidence of in the core samples of aridium at high levels at 11,800 years ago and that's when they think it probably wiped out most of civilization and that's also probably one of the reasons why if you go way back in Civilization this 5,000 6,000 years ago people were barbaric because those are the people that survived so now go 6,000 years before that where there's no history there's nothing like ancient Sumer right that's 6,000 years ago Mesopotamia like that's where about as far back as we

138:53that's we used to believe before go Beckley we used to believe that was the origin of a sophisticated civilization that was capable of writing it was capable of mathematics it had some general understanding at least of our solar system in terms of like they had charted the not just the Sun but all the planets in the proper order they don't know why they did it or how they did that but that is 6,000 years ago and until recently it was pretty widely believed that that was the origins of civilization then when they found gockley tappy which is for sure carbon dated to have been covered up meaning someone either conquered it or someone decided [ __ ] these people we're going to cover it and they did that intentionally 11,600 years ago so they know that at least 11,000 years ago people were building these massive stone structures

139:47with 3D carving super complicated 3D carving where the the animal was carved out of the stone and the rest of the stone remained not carved into the stone so it's not like the old story of like oh we were basically like hunter gatherers until the ancient Sumerian society came along it's like no no no something much more than that was going on and they think that the 11,600 years ago thing was still thousands of years after people were building the pyramids the the people that are putting like the oldest date on the pyramids like John Anthony West who is this a renegade egyptologist that had this fantastic series called magical Egypt and this guy had this unb his life's work was studying Egypt and studying the history of Egypt and one of the more amazing things is that Egypt has a a written history in the hieroglyphs that go back 30,000 plus

140:42years but archaeologists conveniently dismiss that as myth and they say that no no no it's like 2,500 and that's what it all emerges but the problem with that is there's why why would they lie about that like just this is just so that you can put your timestamp where you think it should be and this is what you've been teaching in lectures' been teaching in books well that might be that might be part of the the motivations too is if you you know if you're the one who's been teaching this for a long time or if you're the one who even maybe discovered something and that's kind of what you hang your hat on for someone to discover that you've been teaching the wrong thing the whole time and you're wrong about all of that I'm sure you're going to counter some resistance that that's kind of true in almost any um in any field if you're coming in and going hey

141:28you guys all have it wrong this is right you're going to get a lot of resistance from people who are being like no my whole identity is that I'm right about this yeah so you don't get to just take that all away from me and now I got to go back and be like all right that thing I've been teaching all forget all of that let's move on to this but has been taken away from them for the most part in a lot of instances and the goly Tey one is where they're the most ridiculous cuz they want to believe that hunter gatherers built these structures yeah that's yeah that's tough to believe it's insane these things are F you've seen go backy [ __ ] huge and it's only one of many of these megalithic structures that they found that are still buried they've only uncovered that you know when they use ground penetrating lar I think

142:07they've I think they've uncovered 5% of it and it's [ __ ] insanely impressive so someone was doing something really wild at a time where we thought people were using stone tools to hunt you know deer and [ __ ] and perhaps they were in parts of the world definely they're doing it right now that's the thing we have to understand like right now there's indigenous people that live in the Amazon there's people that live on North Sentinel Island there's a lot of like very primitive tribes in terms of like the way we view ancient history they live the way people lived a long [ __ ] time ago and they coexist with people with iPhones and the idea that every every single moment in Era in history there was an equal distribution of technology and information is ridiculous cuz it doesn't exist now it doesn't exist in the most ubiquitous

142:53time in terms of like the access to information and cell phone usage and all [ __ ] most people on earth have a cell phone and yet still there's primitive tries 100% but even like we were talking about for a lot of this podcast the Israel Palestine thing I mean there's this huge divide versus the way those two live this crazy power imbalance and that's by the way I think that's why uh which maybe is unfair but I think that's why I kind of like I hold I hold the powerful to a higher standard in a sense because there is such this divide in power that's why it's like it's more like you know blaming the US Empire for all of these things it's like because you know even when people would say like oh you put all of this blame on you know uh um with the Ukraine war which by the way we're breaking up with now um so which oh I wanted to say

143:40something about that but that it's like well just because it's like well yeah after the collapse of the Soviet Union you know America's the sole superpower of the world so it's like you have so much more power than them like Now's the Time to not provoke them and pick a fight with them when they don't they're no threat to you you know what I mean and it's amazing the kind of like the power imbalance we have with all that the United States of America literally if we decided to and and we haven't for now and that's very good but we could disappear an entire country yeah if we wanted to with the snap of a finger we can just make you disappear and then the other things that we will use we can overthrow your government we can there are countries that are completely helpless simultaneously exist at the same time it only it kind of only makes sense that

144:28Egypt was the most advanced because Egypt was in Africa and Africa is where humans literally came from the idea that the the only humans that advanced were the ones that left Africa that was the idea that everybody had that you the the humans left Africa and then they founded Europe right but no it appears that that was the most sophisticated Society ever and what we are is a rebuilding of human society many many many many thousands of years later many thousands of years later after people had already achieved a level of sophistication Beyond where we're at now but through totally different methods right we haven't we haven't even invented yet we've gotten so far along on the combustion engine petrochemical products Electronics we've gotten so far down that road that we think it's the only technological path and it's not necessarily definitely not if these

145:22[ __ ] these people that made that Temple made rivers of mercury back then and that's all we know that's 2,200 years ago like what the [ __ ] did they do before the impact like what how how sophisticated was Society 20,000 years ago because we want to think it's not sophisticated at all but what John Anthony West West thinks is that the reason why the Sphinx was facing a very particular way he says I think it's 35,000 years ago 34,000 years ago that was facing the constellation Leo so he thinks that if you look at the thousands of years of rainfall that they believe is responsible for the fissures on the sidew walls like how many thousands like how many could it be 20 and if it if are they telling the truth about is it is it really a 34,000 year old structure that that indicates that 34,000 years ago people had achieved

146:17this insane level of sophistic a because they keep pushing back further and further and further the original age of a human being like the original Homo sapiens it keeps going it used to be 50,000 years now it's like hundreds of thousands of years like what happened yeah what happened well you think about cuz it's really interesting the way you say it I know you think about like um like the butterfly effect that idea which I don't even know like if I complet yeah [ __ ] wind patterns weather the idea flares the idea the wings of a butterfly can cause yeah but there is certainly some truth to the fact that if you like rewinding the tape and like starting and playing it there are different decisions that like one crucial decision could send your life in a whole different path or something like that right so like the idea that if we were like kind of

147:06running this whole start from scratch again yes it's not at all a given that we end up in even a similar place at the end of that and you think about like the process of time like I love this I used to talk about this in your act a bunch too which I always thought was a really interesting way to look at it like when you talk about uh where you had the bit where it was like 300 years is that's three people like could be the L people you I mean like that's really not that crazy this country was founded three people ago right and that's a really interesting way to look at it where if you just go like it's like you know um if you want to go you know 150 years ago like the oldest person I know is is 99 um so like me plus her is almost 150 years ago you know what I mean like that's that's not much and if you think about say that's preil War every right

147:58right so you're going back now to a time almost well well right just shy uh but you're but okay but it's pre just about pre-industrial Revolution right around that time basically is that the Industrial Revolution is basically me and the oldest person I know ago and that's everything what we talk about with our you know modern technology today that's the whole basis of it right there like before then it's night and day difference the way civilization like and that's it just that little bit of time that took us from you know literally like we're we're a an Agricultural Society to The Joe Rogan podcast you know what I mean in this little blip little blip of time it's wild yeah it's wild that it's not stopping we're in the center of it so it seems stable but it's it's accelerating at a [ __ ] super bizarre Pace a super

148:48bizarre pace yes it's just impossible for us to see it totally like all the Innovation that's happening simultaneous like the whole thing is wild and we're experiencing it from an individual perspective we're looking out at our eyes and getting a map of the world based on our neighborhood where we go and the things we do and the media we consume but what's really happening is if you could see all the babies that were born at the if you could if there was a giant screen where you could see every B B coming out of a person every time it happened it would just be like what just life pouring into this Dimension and if you could look at all the Innovation that was happening simultaneously on some sort of a chart it would be it' be just babies and Technology flooding our Dimension babies and Technology that's what's really going on and all this other stuff like

149:43the fighting for resources it's all an aspect of this constant movement towards New Life and innovating technology yeah and well and and like you were saying like we're kind of it's It's a te technology is we're in this period where it's like in exponential growth and so it's like we're just starting to kind of get like a little bit of a a vision of what that's going to look like flashes every time a baby is born in that country it's hundreds since I've been on it I'm just yeah the babies are just constantly coming out yeah that is that is kind every second babies are coming out 150 in like two seconds yeah bam they're just flooding out it's just a a dimensional portal where life is coming through vaginas into our Dimension [Music] just and that's all everybody wants to do is [ __ ] everybody wants to [ __ ] and

150:35everybody wants to make more babies let's didn't you feel like a I I remember feeling this way when I like first had kids um cuz I got little kids you have older kids than me but i' I've been my oldest is like about to turn five um but I remember when the first time we had a baby when my first got my wife pregnant and then when she had the baby and stuff like really feeling this weird um this connection to just the fact that like I am an animal you know what I mean like you're like I am an animal and this is what I'm here to do that like everything's kind of been working toward this and this was like the point of it all well certainly rewires your brain oh yeah for sure it rewires your brain and makes your brain concentrate on that above all and in a in a strange way it's like a [ __ ] and you Lou CK said it best once he said you

151:26just got to let it change you I'm like that's a very good way to put it because that's kind of what you got to just really just let it change you you can't resist it the GU you know you resisted it's like but it's it is a part of this biological super organism that's the human race and it's capable of amazing things but there's a constant battle and this constant battle you can call it good and evil and that's the simplistic way to to to look at it but there's forces that are moving and these forces are required in order for things to progress the even like even the forces of evil are required for someone to develop a system that combats evil that's more efficient and then yeah enforce the idea that Society should not be evil we have seen the negative aspects of evil we choose to never be evil I mean this was the you obviously

152:23there was a lot of flaws in the founding fathers like we discussed but that was their idea we're going to do something better we're going to do something we all believe that we want to be free everyone wants to be free that's why we're here let's set this up to keep it as free as possible from tyranny and let's resist any and all efforts to change that and that's what the like heavy duty constitutionalists feel like they're like listen there's a reason why they set it up this way because there's natural human impulses to control things and and you know that's what everybody was terrified about with Trump they're like he's a dictator he's going to get in the office he's goingon to [ __ ] ruin the Constitution and throw everyone in jail and none of those things happen no they they literally just saying the other day I literally just heard on

153:06MSNBC the other day they were just sitting there going you know if Donald Trump wins this time he is going to start Prosecuting his political enemies yeah they's going to execute people you're like but you're literally doing that to him right now right now so what are you talking about over some [ __ ] fesi price gouging scheme oh I did this is what I wanted to say before by the way I forgot so uh but this I don't know I found this kind of rewarding but uh so Joe Scaro who hosts uh Morning Joe on on MSNBC it's one of their biggest shows uh so it might get like a tenth of the listens of this show or something they're big they one of their big boys um and uh he called me out after the last time I was on here as being a pro Putin uh propagandist those prives are always really effective yeah and then he said something about how I uh you know I

154:00blamed America for um for 911 did you um that how dare you yeah was he said I didn't even know that get out of here and he said he said uh well this is my final show here guys uh we had a good run um no I can't remember exactly what he said but he took issue with me saying that you know Osama B Laden had had legitimate Grievances and took issue with me saying we should negotiate an end to the war in Iraq and I did I responded to him and I said well look if we can't agree that you know Osama Bin Laden was you know had some legitimate grievances with our our foreign policy can we at least agree that it was a bad idea for your wife's dad to bankroll him um so that probably didn't go over too well because he is his wife is M binski and her dad was a big new binski who was the guy who came up with the strategy to uh lure the Soviet Union into

154:48Afghanistan by funding uh the mujahadin Osama Ben Laden so he literally his wife's dad bankrolled Osama Ben Laden but he's very morally outraged at me because I said he might have some legitimate grievances anyway I did I will that this is all I'm building the end of the conversation I'm building up toward a compliment for uh scar yeah he didn't respond to that one uh we we tweeted back and forth a few times but that was the F that was the final one um but uh so but he did uh I I'll compliment him because I saw uh just yesterday he said that we need to think about cutting funding for Ukraine and encouraging zalinski to negotiate with Putin because now you're allowed to say that it doesn't make you a Putin supporter anymore to say that so finally after like the two years of getting called all those names it's just like all the stuff

155:34with covid like just one day your Lads talk about lab leak now yeah oh yeah no we all believe that don't work oh yeah yeah yeah oh I know we I ruined your life because you said that last week but no it's totally cool to say that we all agree with that now but it's literally and it is no coincidence that as soon as this war in Israel like popped off uh there's just immediately it was it was almost perfect timing there was this Time Magazine piece um that came out and it was the same author I'm blanking on his name but it was the same guy who wrote the the man of the year or person of the year they call it now they gave zalinsky the person of the year and this guy wrote that article and so I'd imagine he got like some access to zelinsky's top people uh from that and so now he just wrote another piece just a couple weeks ago that was just a

156:17devastating taked down of zalinsky and it basically was all of his top guys being like this guy has lost it and he's and and that the uh the military are actively refusing orders oh God because he's basically like telling them to go like get out there and they're just like we're going to get slaughtered we're not doing it anymore and so it's basically I I mean I'm just saying it's exactly what what I was saying uh on the last several times I've been on here and I'm not like trying to take the credit for it it's just I read smart people who say this stuff and I recognize that they're correct but it's like what really really great guys like what Scott Horton and all the guys at the the at antiwar.com and what Ron Paul and what like all the people who have been like so great on that John mimer just been incredible uh throughout this this whole thing nailing

157:01every but that all the the US do saying we're going to give you this blank check to fight this war and then going out of our way to break up active peace negotiations when they were happening we we'll give you a blank check to fund this war all it did was just ensure that more people particularly ukrainians were going to get slaughtered and this war that could have been negotiated away at the very beginning and then you know ironically all the same people who support this you know the the narrative the whole time was like uh Putin's a war criminal and he's violating international law and you can't get Land by War you can't we can't negotiate with him because then we would be letting him acquire this land by War and then the next day they're like and we have to support Israel who got the whole country by War and by the way I'm not like

157:51saying cuz sometime people uh have said this to me before like they'll be like oh sir you saying we should give all the land back to the Native Americans then or something like that but no I'm not saying that I'm not saying Israel should give all of Israel back like there's people there now and you're not going to do the same thing to them that they did to other people you know what I mean but if you're saying should we give the Native Americans the land back well like no that's not going to happen but should we make sure that the ones who are still here are free and their natural rights are protected like yeah definitely so that's all I'm saying about that but anyway they were outraged about Putin taking this this land by war look this thing like just the practicality of it he's going to end up keeping some of that territory and that's that Ukraine

158:34doesn't have the strength to take it back from him so well particularly if we cut them off yeah when you see zilinsky asking for credit you're like oh God oh my God that was that was drug addict Vibes wasn't it he was like scratching his neck and [ __ ] is just kind of like credit please I have an old boat I can sell you you know this about me Dave Smith but I like weapons dude it's just so oh man is that and that whole thing just unraveling and you know the problem like with so much of this stuff about like even like what I was saying with Israel Palestine and all that it's like look man if you just want to understand what's going on if you want to solve a problem you got to at least just like look at what's really happening here right they said that's the first step right to solving a problem is recognizing you have one um

159:17and it's just whole time the the the issue with the the war propaganda is that then you never solve it because you're just looking at something that like if you just say Osama Bin Laden hates us because we're free well what are we going to do stop being free so the the only answer here is go to war something like that you know but if you understand that like oh there's also like Osama Bin Laden attacked us for being free well why didn't he attack Sweden for being free or Denmark for being free you know was Al-Qaeda really happy in 2020 cuz they were like ah look they're locked down they don't have so much of that freedom that we hate so much right like that doesn't make any sense well these simplistic narratives like that you know the Putin's a war criminal that's that and this is it you can't do that and that we have to support Ukraine without any

160:01understanding of how it got to be that way in the first place that you described the the coup of 2014 and then NATO moving arms closer and closer and the red line that Putin had said established yeah long ago which was well and if you guys uh didn't listen to me the last couple times been on here I talked a whole lot about all that stuff but uh and also just the fact that and look I by the way I'll also say I do think Putin's a war criminal and like so I'm not denying that but the way we would paint Ukraine as this Bastion of democracy was just ridiculous did you ever see the Candace Owen thing it was amazing what did she what did she say New York Times tweets at Candace Owens because Candace Owens says that Ukraine is corrupt and they say to her what evidence do you have that New York Times corrupt and she says oh evidence from

160:45your [ __ ] newspaper and she quot quotes all these articles she posts all these articles from like 2017 they were talking about how in the New York Times how corrupt Ukraine is right because before um before Vladimir Putin invaded that lie hadn't even been told yet nobody was saying that Ukraine was a Bastion of democracy it was known as the most corrupt country in Europe the idea that that would even be especially for the New York Times that that would even be at all a controversial view it's young kids that are working there that are activists essentially yeah and they're they're fresh out of University they're they're doing their journalism and they don't have an understanding of the history ideological narratives a lot of the adults go along with it too um that you know what I mean because there does become this uh it's like this narrative

161:34that gets created um one of the things I remember uh um Scott Horton talked about this I think in one of his speeches or it might have been in one of his debates but he was talking about how in 1996 there was I think it was on C BBS they got like an interview with Osama Ben Laden and he was already you know like they had they were running Al-Qaeda and they had pulled off some small scale terrorist attacks I think this was the African Embassy bombing had happened then and stuff and and they were asking and they he said they just like reported it as a matter of fact like it was just like well they hate us for our military presence in the Middle East you know yeah back to back to weather or whatever like that was just a fact and that it wasn't until later that the LIE got told that it's oh they hate us for our freedom and so with that stuff no there

162:14were there were uh the New York Times was repor on the Nazi presence in Ukraine like that was a that was a known thing there nobody was disputing this but it was inconvenient yes until after this and then you got to go at this country that like he banned all the competing opposition parties to him he said they're probably not going to hold elections he nationalized the state media he's you know he's drafting people to fight in this war it's like no come on this isn't any that is representing like this perfectly free country um and whatever it's it's just uh we we would be way better off if we had never Pro provoked the thing to begin with and never just decided to fund it for these years and if you don't if you don't like look at that or or grapple with that then yeah you're like well this is perfect democracy versus evil war

163:02criminal so we have to just fund them forever and all that does is get tens of thousands of more people killed the problem is to figure all this stuff out you need alternative media you are never going to hear all this stuff laid out the way you just laid it out and people are going to fact check it and they're going to find out you're right and it's an eye opener yeah because and you're like well what what is wrong with the world that we're living in where we're never getting these straight narratives we're always getting this very distorted one-sided take whether it's from the right or the left on what's going on but that's what that I'll tell you that's what I'm so like encouraged by because like I remember I mean I was I was younger but I was an adult when uh we the war propaganda for the war in Iraq was being laid I mean I was a young

163:54adult I think I was like I was I guess 2003 was the start of the war so I think I was 20 yeah it was 20 in 2003 um so the the year before it 2002 which the whole year was a propaganda campaign to fight the war in Iraq and I was 19 I'm old enough I remember it quite well um and it was look the the whole thing was just dominant it was like look he's got weapons of mass destruction and he was on in he planned 9/11 with Osama Ben Laden he's friends with Al-Qaeda and he has this weapon that like and he could pass it off to Al-Qaeda at any point and then they drop a nuke on Kansas and if you don't believe this you're some type of anti-American queer you know who hates this country or something like that like we all know this is true and everybody and we just did not have anything like you back then there was no show that was like way bigger than

164:47anything in the corporate media that would have anybody on who was like breaking down how all of this is lies this is none of this is true and we're going down a horrible path right now and like today we we not only it's not like we just have you like you're the biggest but there's you have you and Tucker Carlson and then like on the other level like so many shows that are like just like really letting the other side get out there I mean I was literally just listening the other day to uh uh breaking points with uh a cigar and and Crystal and I mean the discussion they're having on on the war is just so many light years more like thoughtful and nuanced than anything you're you're seeing on Fox news or MSNBC or something like that and there's so many shows like that now you know like there's this weird thing in that you know I'm sure

165:34this happens to you all the time where you'll like discover a show that you never heard of before and you almost like look at like the view count on it and you're like oh I never heard about these guys what are they have it's like 700,000 views wow oh this a pretty big show you know I mean like I had never even heard of these guys there's so many shows at that level that people don't even and so and this is recent very very recent like this to to give a perspective of how recent it is this okay nothing like this existed when Barack Obama was running for president right not on this level no um when Donald Trump was running in 2016 still not even close to what it is now there were a few of them but there weren't like this many 2020 there there were some so we've been through like one presidential election cycle with actually having this and even this is a

166:23totally new Dynamic where there's just so many more people now there's so many more presidential candidates who are like coming on these podcasts like you've had RFK on rfk's on my podcast I've had vake ramaswami on like three times like these guys are now realizing that they got to get you know what I mean to like get in front of audiences they the real mainstream now yeah like when you're saying a video has 700,000 views you know what's on CNN CNN struggles to get anywhere near that Michael mice convinced me to stop using the term mainstream media yeah and I think he's absolutely right because he was like they're not the mainstream anymore it's corporate controlled media corporate media like that's call them what they are they're the corporate press you know and this is but no it's ridiculous to suggest that again like that somehow like uh Brian stelter is

167:08the mainstream and you are the alternative like that just doesn't make sense anymore well they thought that the case just a few years ago they really didn't understand they didn't understand the landscape yeah well it's pretty and and you know there comes with uh because they've they've had such control like with all monopolies there's this naturally growing like atrophy because you don't really have to win people over you know what I mean like you just don't develop these skills and then they almost just didn't they didn't have the skill to ever adjust to this changing landscape they can't because of the format yeah the format won't allow them also they can't speak freely because they they they'll lose advertisers especially if they do anything that's against either uh the corporate control like whatever whatever is funding these organizations and we

167:59know a large part of it is pharmaceutical drug companies a large part of it is food companies that are advertising [ __ ] that's [ __ ] terrible for you that's weapons companies so many different things and you're not going to change that you're not going to change the the structure they do it where they have a commercial every seven minutes so no conversation ever gets in depth everything is set up for people that have short attention spans because they thought that's what people had well again like I mentioned earlier when I was uh when I was bringing up this uh this awesome uh Daryl Cooper like series of podcast is it's like 20 hours long and you need like even in a even in a podcast like this like I can do no justice to telling the entire history of this story you need so much time but the idea that you would ever be like I mean

168:47I've literally seen segments like the debate I mentioned that I did the other day I think we went like two hours or something like that is like a reasonable amount of time okay you can get into some stuff and that but I've seen they'll do panels on the war in Israel vers Gaza that are seven minutes long yeah with that time being split between two people and a moderator like how so it just reduces everything down to like who can get the better sound bite off in a second and and and like what is this there's no way for adults communicate yeah Dave Smith you're a National Treasure I always appreciate you coming on here and freaking everybody out well thank you dude I put things into perspect it's it's incredible how much information you've stored in your [ __ ] head about all this stuff but well like like I said it's uh I just honestly I've just read a

169:32lot of the right people and I'm very lucky that I found like Ron Paul and the The misus Institute mises.org and antiwar.com my gu's over there Scott Horton being the the leader over there and so I literally I'm very lucky I found a lot of people who do a lot of really great research and made a lot of really great arguments and I'm not bad at at remembering it and stuff and I'm I'm like the you know I'm like the the smartest dumb guy or the dumbest smart guy or something where I'm like just smart enough to to kind of get it and then I'm I'm still one of you so I can come back and explain it you know what I mean in a good way that kind of makes sense but uh dude I mean like I'm so grateful for everything you've done for me and that I get to come on here all the time and talk talk about this stuff cuz I do think it's really important and

170:17uh so I'm very grateful to you I'm very grateful for you too appreciate you all [Music]