Michael Yo

00:00will you go through all three of those no okay well no one other one is for you oh okay in case you wanted to good because oh yeah that's a piece you're big oh we're live you're trying to figure out how much i think these are 270 milligrams of caffeine if you drink three of these jamie that would kill you right they'll kill you no i wouldn't kill you you up i thought you walked in with three coffees i was like damn rogan you're gonna die like straight up die after the show one is for you hopefully we won't need both wow i don't know i've drank both of them before which is like 500 plus milligrams i'm addicted to coffee though man i will just drink it when i'm i don't even need a high i'll just drink it i love the smell of it it's so good in the morning man oh it's the best and i i i love it with cream i love it black i love espresso i love it all see i i

00:50got rid of drinking the whole coffee i'm now an espresso drinker really two shots in the morning a double shot a double shot and then like a couple hours later another i'll do like eight double shots throughout the day because to me that's better than drinking one coffee yes yeah but it's not it's not it's actually apparently espresso has less caffeine in it than coffee does even though it seems like it has a lot it doesn't but you have to drink more acidity like yeah it doesn't taste like but it's definitely an acquired taste i enjoy it but it's one of the rare things i drink that is that big and i'm holding my finger up like yeah two inches two inches yeah it's that it's two inches and it'll take me 10-15 minutes to drink it for an espresso yeah it should be like a slow oh my god why are you drinking so slow i like it i like to savor it like there's only one way to do it with these

01:42fat neanderthal fingers because if you're holding that little tiny little you can't get your whole hand in there you can't look like a man drinking an espresso right it's not like a beer stein out of a rhino horn it's it's a tiny little thing you cannot look tough drinking an expert but i i drink mine in like three seconds do you just i just pound them and then i go to the gym i can't well i do that too one time i uh i drank five i have a nespresso espresso maker and i put five capsules in there and i filled a mug up with it like a coffee mug and i drank it and i ran four miles no it wasn't as animal through the hills like i was being chased by wolves you're just howling i was like why did i drink so much so what is espresso at what does it say there jamie okay coffee brewed see but it all is all depends on the company because starbucks is extremely

02:36caffeinated yeah see starbucks is way up the chart look at it there starbucks tall is like closing in on 200 and what does it looks like about 270 yeah i think that's somewhere in the range of 270 milligrams of caffeine but that's a coffee that's not right so coffee it would be better to go to starbucks and get a tall coffee then there's an espresso see how low it is it's below 100. yeah so that's why i'm drinking so many so when i drank five i guess i think i had five i paid 500 milligrams which is basically less than drinking two of these things see yeah these caveman nitros these are the yeah i live off these goddamn things they're responsible for half my productivity basically i'm too chicken to go on adderall so i just i just drink this stuff all day well yeah it's a good move good move i i there's nothing wrong with coffee man i'm scared of adderall but people admit

03:30they're alert they're addicted to coffee and everyone's like ah me too if you go dude i am so addicted to adderall they're like okay joe dude i'm not calling you more like like you're gonna you you're gonna think i'm lame but until five years ago i didn't even know what adderall it was good no i think you're smart i did for you like all my friends in houston they do it and i asked my friend like i text him and i go hey man what you got uh what's your addie and he goes yeah we got adderall i was like what are you talking no your address to go to your house like literally he thought i was talking about adderall and then he explained to me like when you're in a club and you want to stay up and you want to stay like energized you take adderall and i was like oh okay but i i don't drink so i can stay up till 3 4 o'clock in the morning be fine what's fascinating about adderall is what

04:15they've essentially done is taken an amphetamine and made it so that if you prescribe it for a condition right like they give it to people who have what add is one of them right whatever the that means and it's very debatable whether or not you have it or don't have everybody i have it for sure if it's real if it's real i have it but they give you adderall which is speed and because it's a medication that you give to somebody who has supposedly has a condition and by the way i'm not diagnosing you if you're out there you're getting frustrated with me right now just listen to me it's speed maybe you need speed maybe you're that person that needs speed maybe you do need it legitimately as a medication but there's a load of people that are just doing speed so by somebody giving you speed it's supposed to slow you down so you won't have atd is that the reason

05:06they say legit if you have the legit add look i am not doubting that some people have what i have worse than i have yeah there's a spectrum right with everything but for some people when they take adderall or similar type of substances it actually lets them focus and they can they can actually be on track so by speeding it up somehow it focuses on edit i think i don't know the system it's i think the idea is that it's proof that their system is wired wrong which is why when you give them that speed they can center out and mellow out my friend my friend's a doctor and i was talking to him and i used to you know just pop by to say what's up and he goes hey man just to let you know the more you go to a doctor the faster you'll die and i'll go what yeah he's like i just want to let no yeah yeah he says the more you go to us you come to us the faster you'll die i was like what are

05:58you talking about because a lot of doctors are crooked and they'll give you something for what you think you got and then after that wears off they have to give you something else so now you just keep filling yourself with stuff to fix the other thing that was wrong and he goes some some doctors are not good people and he goes the more people go to doctors the faster they die put it in point my mom beat breast cancer twice right and my dad's never been to the doctor he's 75 years old never been to the doctor once because he's like well as soon as you go to doctor they tell you something wrong you die you know literally yeah but if you have cancer you should go to a well he didn't have cancer my mom did right but if he had cancer you should go to a doctor but i don't think he would go even if he had yeah he's just your mom beat it twice and she's still

06:40here yes she is she and the second time she she didn't even tell me she had it doesn't your dad want to beat it if he gets it no my dad is kind of dude's like hey i've been through a lot i'm fine like he's he hates going to the doctor the only time he went to the doctor he had a back problem like if that's old school doctor what if he met a good doctor like a doctor that he likes like a guy who plays golf with or some like my dad my dad is not social he's not no no no i'm totally weird you're so social i i'm totally opposite like my dad's story is crazy like he you know he went through segregation he got a phd in nuclear physics wow oh yeah my dad's a genius but oh but out there talking yeah i'm joking telling jokes i'm a failure but you're not because you're a success at it so he's got to go all right yeah yeah he's the one that told me to drop out of

07:30college really yeah i played football for you how did he say it though he said you need to drop out of college you're not smart like see that's not supportive it's not like michael you need to drop out of college chase your dreams oh no no no no no he was like my dad's whole thing is i got a phd in nuclear physics i know what wanting to be in school is and and you don't want to be in school and you you got a personality go do that but you're dumb like literally he would say that my parents were not supportive though they were just not support like my mom wanted me to be a doctor but she knew i wasn't bright enough to be a doctor so like my dad said you got to drop out see i don't think you're not bright enough to be a doctor i think you're not interested in being a doctor no see because i see how you pursue stand-up and show business you're you're a bright ambitious guy 100

08:19people don't want to be operating on people that are on anesthesia with head lamps on and and rubber gloves covered with blood get the out i don't want nobody dying on me that would be the worst having somebody die while you're working on them and then you got to go tell their fam hey man sorry my bad you know oh the pressure of those people jamie was it you that was telling me yesterday about the guy who's the emt who sees tell me tell me what you told me he's uh he said he was listening to the podcast we did with louis j gomez about people getting head injuries uh and he has been doing i believe for like 15 years or so like doesn't do it every single day because you don't work every single day but on a three-day basis or so every day he works he sees at least one person dead from a head injury whether it's an elderly person they slept on ice something people fall and hit their

09:06heads oh yeah like that's why please folks if you're listening to me and you want to punch somebody and knock them out please don't do it just go to a gym get your frustrations out don't fight on the street you could kill somebody or you can get killed even accidentally even if you really don't hate the guy that much you punch him in the face they go unconscious their head hits the ground people die all the time i mean i've told the story about when kevin james used to work as a bouncer in long island a guy that he was working with punched a guy and killed him really yeah kevin kevin wasn't there but he knew the guy and the guy accidentally killed a drunk guy drunk guy is coming at him he punched him i guess i don't know the whole story but that happens all the time i've seen guys and it's not about the punch though it's about when they hit their head you're getting hit by the world yeah

09:54think about that think of the world just dropped on your head that's what it's like your body mass bouncing off a completely especially concrete there's no give so your head just cluck it sounds horrible why listening to someone's head bounce off concrete is one of the scariest sounds it's horrible even if you do it to somebody and you wanted to hurt them when you hear their head bounce off concrete you're like oh like that's not as simple as like you punched them you punch them and then you know whatever they weigh 190 pounds with all the mass of gras all their mass and gravity pulling them towards the ground with nothing slowing it down but meat and head bang bone shoulder that reminds me when i was 10 years old i was sitting on the curb and this is the first time i saw death in real life from a head injury i was sitting with my friend on the curb and a

10:47guy was driving a motorcycle and he was speeding up and down the street and right on iriswood in houston texas he's flying down a car pulls out and he hits it back then they didn't wear helmets so he literally flew up in the air and landed about 20 feet from us his head hit first and exploded like a watermelon and this is like i was 10 years old watching this so the next morning you know the police come my parents get me to tell me don't look at it to put i i i go out there the next day it's just blood stains everywhere and his wife is picking up his hair that's stuck to the concrete and i remember it so vividly i was next door neighbor was eric and we were sitting on the curb watching this lady pick up her uh husband's hair that was stuck in and that's the first time i ever saw death and it it it was oh and it was a gnarly death too it was like that face of the dead stuff like it

11:40was bad it was bad i never rode a motorcycle because of that yeah there's no there's not a lot of reasons to ride a motorcycle other than it's awesome yeah just as the danger i took uh motorcycle safety classes and then two of my friends uh wiped out one of them got hit by a car and one of them uh fell uh going around a corner and his shoulder up i uh i after that accident probably about six years later you know when three wheelers were big back then yeah and my friend same friend that was on the curb we were three willing and and where i grew up there was a bunch of ditches so we're going and he thought he could go down in the ditch and come up the other side but i think he forgot that it's flat on the bottom of real ditches so literally we're going and we hit the bottom and i flew in literally half my face was like just wrecked i was in a hospital and

12:36and we didn't have helmets at that time and because we were young and dumb and just wanted to like stupid stupid stupid places you shouldn't like when you let boys just wander around it's never good it's never the dumb that they do that they think is okay let's try this hey take those fireworks and stick them in this tree this old rotted down tree let's blow it up and the problem is i think i think i think today parents at least we know more i feel we tell but like our parents at least my parents they didn't really give me guidance you know they were kind of like hey figure it out on your own mine too yeah yeah that was that generation though yeah yeah like my parents is the parents that didn't tell you they loved me till i was 29 and i forced them to it's that kind of thing wow yeah that's different yeah my parents tell me they love me all the time my parents are hippies

13:34my stepdad are hippies i i don't know maybe in a good way in a good way really nice people yeah but um yeah man that they didn't tell me though like what to do yeah why are your grades so bad i'm like i don't know what the do i do tell me someone what to do but they've worked man you know like when and you have like if you have a full-time job and the wife has a full-time job and you're raising children man how much time does that really leave i mean you don't get home until six seven like when you get out of work at five by the time you get home the kids have been home from school for three hours they're already exhausted they just wanna eat and go to sleep yeah like you're not learning anything about each other for like five days a week well i that's my my mom worked for my dad so i got to see my mom a lot but it was a type of relationship where when i

14:17was growing my mom's asian my dad's black i guess there wasn't that hey we love you i mean i knew they loved me but they didn't ever say it and the only reason they said it is because i was uh dating a girl at the time and they used the i love you thing all the time and i thought that was very strange because i've never heard people just say it all the hey i love you i love you i love you so i called my dad and i was like hey i love you and he goes and he hung up like literally he got like kind of like he was just like okay you know all right cool and then he hung up and then now after i got married and have a kid now we say i love you all the time you know so because i don't want my son to grow up with no i love you it's beautiful you know yeah yeah it's just this is a different time for them man it was a different time it's a foolish insecurity because if you say you love you if you

15:05say i love you to someone um either they love you back and it feels great or they don't you don't hang out with them anymore it's such a saying i love you to somebody they're like well i i reserve it for people that i love and usually they love you too yes there's something wrong with your wiring if you're looking at it wrong you know yeah i no that's never happened to me joe where i told somebody i loved them and they said nothing back it can happen is it dudes clam up sometimes tell a friend you love them hey i love you man they go yikes this is not for me awareness is too weird man i grew up in nebraska but i think it's also a young dude thing too when you're young you're macho you don't want to say i love you to another dude now when you get older especially if you live in nebraska yeah i'm just kidding nebraska don't get up tight somebody sent me a box in nebraska

15:55t-shirts like corn huskies like listen son i ain't wearing that my my wife's father is from nebraska is he yeah there you go yeah it's a good spot it's as good a spot as any all those spots that used to suck they don't suck as much anymore i mean the internet really i mean what's there to do in nebraska let's be serious like pheasant hunt i think it's a good pheasant hunting spot okay they got the corn huskers corn if you just want to be alone start a cult i think it's a good spot to start out it's great yeah if you want to start a cult though you've got to live in an attractive climate you know i think that's why uh that's why what's that place in arizona that everybody goes to scottsdale no no the other one sedona yeah that one that's the one where all the cult leaders go to how do you explain waco then that's the armpit of texas it is but it isn't you

16:46can get to dallas pretty quick from that's it you can recruit you can go to dallas sales you got a ranch out in waco go check out a cowboys game and come back yeah yeah i i couldn't this whole cult thing i don't get it sedona is a weird one right because it's all like crystals and healers it's all people looking to be spiritual they've given up on on traditional religion but they seem to need that sort of vibe yeah and so they they get into like spiritual stuff and channelers and healers have you gotten into that stuff yeah i knew it all day long what all about channeling bro that's my thing i'm into channeling yeah right i mean no no i think we i really do believe and i've been believing this more and more lately though that our understanding of what our memory is is uh very limited and that the reason why people are scared of things some things is probably because there's

17:44some sort of genetic memory of someone that they knew like i bet your kid will have somehow or another that knowledge of that motorcycle accident and that feat there's i think like that goes through dna really yeah i do i think that's why kids are scared of monsters you know why is kids scared of monsters why aren't they scared of uh bullets or fires or you know like why aren't they screaming they're they're scared of something that i was scared of growing up no just animals used to eat people yeah that's what i think i think monsters represent like jaguars and like you're going through the jungle and try to get some water and you get jacked that's our ancestors all of our ancestors every single human being on this planet came from africa all of us 100 percent of us everyone absolutely asian black white all of us got eaten all of our ancestors in our dna it's

18:37wired there's cats out there bro what are you afraid of monsters in the dark those are cats man we got jacked by cats like all the time yeah yeah so that's why everybody's scared of things under the bed what's in the closet they're hiding they're cats big cats looking to get you i don't know about that like this was very scary for a moment but i don't believe in that why do you think that animals have instincts right like here's a perfect example but we have instincts right but what kind of instincts animals have weird instincts like they all sniff each other's they all piss on spots where other animals did they don't nobody had to teach my dog how to do that my dog i got him when he was six weeks old and i've had him for two and a half years that will sniff something and he sees somebody peed on it he pees on it but he learned that from his he didn't learn that from nobody no he

19:31learned that from his dog people like when he came over here he didn't know jack so he's learning no i think it's in his dna okay yeah i get that but what is the dna like doesn't your dna carry some traces of information onto your own children like what i notice in my children okay they share certain weird traits that i have that i don't think like like uh obsessive compulsive traits that i don't think they see because i don't really bring that home like especially like the workout stuff and and like some some things that i really get kind of psychotic about martial arts stuff my my middle daughter has that in a crazy way and i'm like oh okay this is me if i was a girl okay like if i was a little girl this is me like what is it so is this my memory that's in her or is it do i have like some weird obsessive gene which is it it is the dna because i see

20:24my son he's only two he just turned two but he makes facial expressions and looks like he does certain looks that i do and and my wife goes he's acting like you right now do you think he's acting like you because he sees you act like that or is he acting like you because he knows in his head that that's how he's wired like that because when i watch it he doesn't know like a lot of this stuff he does i don't i don't even do he just does like my mom oh i'll come over and she'll watch him she go you know he's just like you when you were this age and it's so weird yeah it's in the dna it's in something right whatever it is whether it's in cellular memory dna some sort of genetic information gets passed on from the appearance to the child you could say that about athletics though like if you don't that's that's a little different though but it's in the dna

21:15yeah it is in the dna but it's not an ethereal thing like a thought you know what i mean yeah like some like here's one a fideophobia or arachnophobia fear of snakes or spiders those have you ever seen anybody who has that well you were on fear factor with me oh my god that was that was the worst i should say you were you made it out brother congratulations yes no do you remember season one episode one that was the pilot episode of the pilot episode that's where i met you for the first time 16 can you believe 16 what 2001 yeah what is that what 18 years ago we met because that was that was right after 9 11. yes yeah right after and they flew us down and the first time i met you it was that saddle ranch and you were like welcome to this dude okay this is later this is late this is way later when we did the new season of it in like 2011. yeah you tried to get

22:09me to eat that spider yeah what i was acting like feels bad bro dude dude that's not a normal and you just chomped it like a chance so this whole scene i'm acting like a little bee oh little fearful you gotta eat sheep's eyebrow eyeballs though what you had to eat dude now those were disgusting have you ever did you eat this i hate it because i felt bad for you guys that was before i had hardened i've been hardened to the world because you guys were episode one season one yeah and it didn't seem right for me that you guys would have to eat these things and i didn't eat it so i said all right if you guys eat it i'll eat it too but they didn't show it like they wouldn't show it on television that i ate it because they didn't they like they didn't want it to look too easy yeah it's so weird but yeah oh my god i remember biting down into it and it kind of like burst

22:55yeah and then that retina that you had to just yeah you had to chew on that red and we had to eat three of them yeah they weren't good no they were horrible but you know it was surprisingly mild i ate a roach i t i'm not not bragging because it's a please like much is this a roach no it doesn't taste like much like why would you eat a roach was that part of the show yeah it was um it was a celebrity fear factor and um there was a young lady who was scared to eat a roach and uh she was gonna get eliminated from the show and so i said listen i'll make you a deal i'll if you do it i'll do it and she's like you will i go yeah i will and she wouldn't do it so she made a deal like like three worms she decided i'll eat three worms like we negotiated with three women and so then i ate a roach i i remember when i was on that show the question they would ask you in the survey is

23:46what's your fear of dying and i wrote down dying on the water because that would be my biggest fear is dying underwater and so our last stunt was when they dumped us on the water and my friends still send me screenshots of that because that's when i had long hair and i put a bunch of gel in it and they dunked me under the tank and literally it looked like a squid shooting out oh my god you if you you could google it google michael yo uh fairfax and it's my friends will just screenshot that and they still play that to this day they still play that episode okay all of them they play them on um different like true tv or something like that one of those i remember shows i remember that when we were talking i would go because you were what show were you on at that time you were on news radio well that was a couple of years earlier there you are look at that what happened

24:36yeah and okay so that's the cheap eyeball michael yo look at you eating sheep's eyeballs so at the end at the end i go to joe and i go hey man i i can't do the last stunt look at that i can't okay so this is you talking to me because joe goes joe goes hey i go joe i'm not going to be able to make it through this whole stunt i can't hold my breath for that long and you go i'll just make it look great for the camera so what i did i was gonna try to talk you into it but i wasn't good enough at it then i did i had to figure out how to talk people into it because i knew there's some people that were just psyching themselves out yeah in the smoker won our episode the guy that we thought was going to lose no oxygen yeah his system he's used to having no oxygen so and that's when they casted fear factor off of personality and then it just became a hot fest like if you were

25:32sexy yeah it was also um you know they kept ramping up the difficulty of stuff like the last season scared the out of me when they were launching a car through a moving train and an explosion happens in the car it was like what you're gonna kill somebody like and when i came up to your uh i think it was the last season y'all were doing something with a donkey dong don't you come yeah that's who got us canceled yes because i remember showing up and joe says come here yo you're about to drink donkey kong like what was so crazy i thought everybody was gonna quit when i showed up that day and they brought the paper into my trailer and they told me what it was gonna be i don't think i knew about that one before some of them i had known about knew about before but i don't think i knew about that one i think when they brought that in i had no idea and i was like you can't do this i'm like no

26:24one's going to do it first of all they're all going to quit but what was hilarious is i'm sitting there next to you watching them drink this stuff and then we're just laughing but dude how about an intern how to drink it an intern had to drink it i think they only got like a hundred dollars what for what well it was like part of the thing is that they would have to test it when when they would like say here's some fear factor info so like say if you had to eat like a kidneys yeah right how many how many kidneys can someone eat in a minute you know like how much how much meat can you actually like disgusting dried meat can you consume and so what we had was certain interns that would volunteer for it and they would get like an extra hundred and something dollars and i would always give him money too i was given a couple hundred bucks on top of it but they would they would eat

27:15whatever the it was and then they would determine all right well mike usually can put it down like like like no one and if he could only get through three and then some other producer would come in and go this we're being making me four oh i would be like four you guys are crazy and this was like the debate the debate on the set would be like how much blood should they drink one gallon one gallon of blood like they never drank blood but you know what i'm saying like yeah how many horse dicks they never ate a horse stick but they did eat like it was dicks and elk dicks and deer dicks but the donkey was the worst oh yeah and i even remember after shoot you were like yeah i think the show's over after this like they didn't air it i think they didn't know it they heard it in other countries though oh did it really yeah so you could get it like in i think it's like dutch and so it's

28:02like you hear you hear us talk in english but then they have dutch subtitles yeah that that was that was such so stupid it's so dumb are you surprised how stupid people are to go no because i think people are like look it's an experience i'm here for the experience i'm gonna have some fun this is crazy but when you get to donkey kong you're kind of being rude yeah those folks you know you got donkey this donkey but then the donkey come is taking advantage of their need for fame in a weird way no you are yeah but hey they want to give it that's the game and i remember you showing it to me first it was in this large uh glass container and they and it wasn't a little they had to drink no no it was they had to drink a lot yeah it was like the aforementioned rhino horn beer it was a large chunk yeah you know what's even more offensive um donkeys are they're not fertile look

29:01at it there it is oh that's him yes so that is useless it's not just but imagine it's like it's it's come that could never even be babies okay but i i remember when y'all used to do stuff this is disgusting i remember y'all used to do stunts it was actually a delicate like people in other countries actually ate it sometimes oh sometimes yeah like baloo so that's not that's just being no that's just me and me okay that's no other country that's doing that just for fun they gave up on that whole uh this in other countries this is considered a delicacy yeah they gave up on that a long time ago yeah you had to push the envelope on that now one of the things that made things gross smell-wise was actually really expensive cheese they would go to this uh expensive was if a famagerie what do they call them what do they call one of those cheese places yeah that's like italian for cheese

29:55for majority it's also for mushrooms isn't it french too something like that i'm sure i'm proud yeah yeah yeah jamie's my that's my translation they both come from i'm dumb i'm dumb so there you go but anyway this cheese that we would use was disgusting it smelled so bad but apparently it tastes really good if you're into that kind of cheese like bourdain was really into stinky cheese like he would talk to me about it like with passion like that just the the stinkier the better like disgusting smelling cheese and the taste is fantastic i'd be like wow i would think that the smell would turn you off taste buds yeah absolutely i don't know it's like one of those things where i guess you catch like the right vibe like you go in it with the right attitude there is no attitude if it stinks that dude and they would squeegee it off into a blender nah and then they blend it up with the

30:50other stuff like worms and it would make the worms taste horrific or smell horrific oh so you were just messing with their uh smell sense so it could make it seem like it was worse it was really weird it can get worse because it smelled worse so it was making more like you'd smell it but people would just start wretching it was it's a ridiculous thing it's a ridiculous thing like to that show is really silly no but i i loved that these people wanted to be famous well you know too bro but i wasn't but no no no no but i was different me too me too that was different too no because how it happened i was in austin texas and there was an ad in the paper that goes hey have you ever done anything adventurous and i was like no let me go in for this guy i was a radio dj out there uh at this radio station so i go in and then mikey uh they called him the chimp he was the casting person yes and

31:50literally two weeks later three weeks later i'm in hollywood shooting this thing and then i meet you and then i remember going up to you because i was in awe it was the first time in hollywood go and i knew you from news radio i was like how do you do it and you go just be yourself you can be successful and that's what you're doing right now just being yourself that's what you're doing too we're we're trying we're trying man listen i did listen what a ridiculous piece of advice just be yourself just good luck whatever you do don't improve yeah just be who you are right now forever good luck just be yourself that's all you need bro that's it just how you're wrong just believe in your dreams and make a vision board joe was just trying to get me out of his face i'll just be you all right buddy it's that is the right advice especially if you want to be an entertainer if you

32:35can figure out how to be yourself as long as yourself is actually something interesting and if it's not working yourself yeah and then you even said that about acting he's like i remember specifically saying oh acting's not hard it's just you yourself and you play that emotion and i was like oh that sounds easy easy in comparison to stand up in some ways but it's not like i disrespect like the kind of that like daniel late daniel leonardo dicaprio well yeah when they when they get into a role and you're like god damn that guy just owned that like they get into what i'm talking about like sitcom sitcom acting yeah sitcom actually and they were hiring you to be so easy yeah so it was a slightly dumbed-down version of me who was into slightly more conspiracy theories than me when i was on news radio that's how it was yeah it was basically me like they wrote a lot

33:26of that conspiracy in after i talked to them about like jfk and you know ufos and stuff you believe in ufos oh yeah oh my god really yeah yeah i see i i believe in there's other other life forms out there i don't i don't think they're coming here they might here's the thing they might well why not think it but just because here's here's one thing i do believe most people are full of when it comes to like most of their stories like it's it's hard to find a person that could just tell you what happened based on what they really remember people want to jazz things up and they want to add salt and pepper they just sex with me don't they don't necessarily tell you the truth they tell you what they think is going to be an engaging story that kind of represents the truth maybe especially when it's a weird thing like you saw something in the sky what did you really see how long

34:23did you look at it for how many seconds was it well i mean here's the problem i have with ufos and i believe there are ufos but i don't think they're coming here because that means they're tech first of all if they're coming here that means their technology is far way more advanced than ours right so why would they care if people saw them they would show up if i was an alien and i was that far ahead of us i would lay in that right in the middle of times square and be like what we are here but why would you do that but why wouldn't i why am i hiding in fields where nobody can see us are you aware of how we treat uncontacted tribes yes to a point but but what i'm saying is if you're that far advanced they know if they're coming here they know they're they're way smarter than us right because they've traveled here right and we don't even know other from far distances we can't

35:18even imagine and they're here they don't have to hide it's just i think they do it because they have to hide or do you think maybe they do it because we can't handle it because we can't handle it why would they care if we could handle it or not because here's the problem whenever any civilization has ever encountered a civilization far superior to them the results have always been catastrophic every single time every time europeans have invaded north america every time the spanish visited the mexicans every time that this has happened it's been a disaster this is human beings if there was something that came down here from another planet was so unbelievably sophisticated that it could travel through vast distances in space and had insurmountable impossible technology that we would look to it for all of our answers it would become our new daddy it would completely disrupt all of our

36:13governments it would disrupt all of our religions it would disrupt every single belief system we have and people would fall apart they wouldn't know what to do psychologically it would be devastating look i'm not a doctor but but i know most people would not be able to handle it i understand that but why would they care because that's my whole point because why would they care about because they would be affecting our culture but they wouldn't care but why wouldn't they care but why would they care we care about animals bro there's a reason why we have wildlife protection agencies we have that because we care about animals and animals don't even know we're a thing okay if you're a deer living in the forest and you're two years old you might not have ever even seen a purse you don't even know what the we are but we're trying to keep those deer alive we spend billions of

36:55dollars every year protecting them we do that because we care about wildlife if we cared about a rare monkey that we found in indonesia for some strange monkey we would do whatever we could to make sure that monkeys populations thrived if there was a way to help them i mean that's one of the reasons why zoos exist they take rare animals they try to breed them in captivity and but we're also sharing the same earth well then maybe they look at the universe that way and maybe okay nuclear civilizations like our civilization i mean our civilization's a very dangerous one because we're a bunch of semi-hairless monkeys with nuclear weapons i mean we're nuts bro oh yeah we're obsessed with sex we jack off to our phones we're we're taking pills to keep our dick hard we're all on speed we all have this these are we're at and we lie we lie about we lie about things that

37:47people did to us we pretend people think did worse things we pretend that we didn't do things to people we lie about stealing we lie about money we lie about all kinds of things i mean people are so so you're crazy you're thinking aliens are thinking about all that before they come down of course they would why wouldn't they because why wouldn't they i guess i'm coming from a human point of view where we don't give a about anything but here's the thing that's not true we do give a about things that's why when you go to the galapagos islands you're not allowed to take your shoes yeah you walked around los angeles and walk around the galapagos island because people have done that and they've gotten seeds from their shoes stuck in the sand over there on the ground over there and then new plants grow that are invasive species we're worried about ecosystems that we

38:30really okay that's why humans that's where we're worried about invasive species when new species get introduced to new ecosystems it's like we were just talking about this yesterday uh everglades like people are doing whatever the they can to get the pythons and the evergreens these have released pythons and there's a real redneck jurassic park going on in the middle of florida yeah you know we we care yeah i lived in miami man and at the time i lived in miami talk about like you did radio out there right yeah why 100 it was after fear factor out after fear factor it landed me that big gig after i was on fear back there well radio was radio back there dude oh yeah real it was it was like huge man uh but i remember they had these lakes and if you go back like 10 years ago and look up florida people were just jogging around lakes getting snatched by alligators yeah like just alligators did

39:23not give a damn they were just snatching people yeah and i was like why are people jogging like like literally i like stop jogging well definitely don't jog near the water no and that's the thing i believe like eight people within six months got snatched just jogging real oh 100 probably about eight to ten years ago just jogging i didn't know that that there was that many deaths ever from alex oh yeah they were getting snatched one of my favorite ones was a guy who was running from the cops near miami and uh he was in a stolen car parked his car on a bridge jumped off the bridge and landed on an alligator alligator jacked him in front of the cops oh and they were just sitting there going well there you go guilty imagine the dude jumps off the bridge splash that would be look at this oh my god dude oh that guy didn't even notice until the last minute no that's

40:24what i'm saying like that happens in florida at that time that is so crazy that is such a big thing that eats deer and look at it opens its mouth on them but meanwhile it tries to get away from people well what's interesting to do didn't even speed up yeah like i would have took off probably really tired to these things man these things but the craziest thing is when we were showing it yesterday that pythons eat them alligators whole but now dude one python ate this big-ass alligator and it blew its body apart apparently another alligator came along while it had it in its body and tried to eat the python and so then it was like this disaster of a python with an alligator inside of it with no head oh yeah but the whole thing was that this python had ate the alligator and then once they eat it they can't move because they got a 900 pound alligator but you love that i can't

41:18kick out i i know you do you do i have a problem with um i just i you get some animals eating other animals i think it's important to recognize that we're we're we're very insulated from what the is going on by cities yes and that in houses and cities and even towns even if you have a town it's rare that a wild predator makes its way into your town but man that's the whole rest of the world that's the whole world including the ocean everywhere is all just predators and prey predators and prey predators and prey we figured out a way to insult but but in insulation the problem is when we're isolated from it we neglect it as an aspect of nature we put it in some weird box like oh my god this is weird no that's not weird that's normal yeah that's normal life normal life is big things eating little things and you don't respect it got it really don't respect it when you don't see it

42:06like yeah my parents want to go to africa on the safari i'm like man you can have that yeah i would go if i got one of them like jurassic park mobiles that they have with that's all you roll around you can't get in it you see these people are just in regular jeeps open air jeeps where a lion's just walking by like how dumb are you and most the time nothing happens no most most of it but it could be one or two times where if you're in it you know two years ago a woman who worked on game of thrones she was there on vacation and she got pulled out of her car she rolled down the window to take a picture and the cat came and snatched her out of the car but don't you think people kind of like that deserve it like people that roll down windows and not safer like that's like people jumping in the pit at the zoo the other day the roll down the windows thing i think is really just

42:57it's what we're talking about that you're not around it enough yeah so you don't understand what it is but do you have to be around it to know hey these are wild animals and i think they can get away with they've never had anything happen to them like if they've never been punched oh this is this is a cheetah cheetahs are actually not they're they're actually very curious and they're not dangerous to people so this dude has no idea this thing is in his back seat no he's filming it oh he's filming it so he's not moving don't move i think so man i think the move is don't move you don't you don't want to scare him you definitely don't want to go here you don't want to do that have a rip your face off they don't have claws they don't have claws like a cat does they're more like a dog yeah you know they're a weird animal they're like a weird cat dog thing you know they're super super fast

43:46like i've never seen one run in real life but apparently people who i know that have seen it say you can't believe how fast it is you know one thing that blew me away i was reading about it that hippopotamuses kill more people a year than all the animals combined all of them all of them yeah all of them and it's just like people just like don't respect hippopotamuses and they're fast and they're strong and they'll rip you apart they're they're like a giant pig yeah they're in the pig family it's like about cousin to a pig or some yeah and they're vegetarians yeah like they're just killing people estimated 500 people per year in ecuador they kill five or five people a year they're aggressive and they have very sharp teeth and not only that man people think there's 750 kilograms what what is that dude what's that in pounds that's more than 5 000 yeah 2.2 times

44:36that so yeah oh my god that's that's well people don't respect because they think they're slow too so when they see them i think they run like 24 or 25 miles per hour where like a 100 a person that runs 100 yard dash in the olympics i think averaged around like 29 to 30 miles per hour so this is getting away this hippos oh 19 miles okay so that's still fast yeah you're barely getting away well that's me i probably can't run 19 miles an hour i know i couldn't i'll probably get eaten can you imagine you're like 20 yards away from this thing you're like ah it's not gonna and then it just runs up on you well they say if you ever get chased by an alligator too the thing is to juke them go left and go right yeah oh that picture that one scares the out of me that scares the out of me i mean look at that guys he's airborne he's he's launching himself in the air trying to get away from this

45:28do not look at that yeah they chase after boats in the water they swim fast yeah they're trying to you up man they try to you 500 people a year dude hippos husband sees hippo bite out wife's heart what oh my god oh my god imagine your wife falls into the water and that you see the hippo rip open a rib cage oh i would be a hippo punisher i would go back to africa every year and kill out every one kill every one of them i'd be responsible for hippo extinction they'd be like you can't do that i'm like but i'm gonna die don't stop me don't i'm killing all the hippos why not i'm killing all the snakes for if everybody anyone knew got killed the first day that something gets killed by a python in florida when a human gets jacked we should send in the marines just go through the swamp and kill them all just like they're the enemy you just get a giant line of human beings go

46:25through and kill those serpents they're in the bible okay yeah they're in the bible snakes will eat your baby they will go through kill them all i mean are they don't get cocky with monsters living in your neighborhood is there any purpose of them though yeah they kill rats but the problem is in that area it's not established for them so there was this rich ecosystem of mammals and reptiles so you're talking about everglades right now yeah okay it used to be there were some snakes like cotton mouths and stuff like that and there was alligators but then there was like marsh hares and raccoons and skunks gone they're all gone they're gone there's nothing left there's just anacondas look at that and pythons and nile crocodiles now if this got another one eating a well let me just she's an alligator and be honest with me if if that guy got eaten like a guy that actually tracks

47:19reptiles do you feel sorry for like if you put yourself in harm's way yeah because i want that guy to be out there gotta kill those goddamn monsters if you ever look into an eye of a snake and you go oh this thing doesn't give a about anybody it's like it doesn't i was watching this video of a crab and it's a crab a mother crab just sitting there eating its babies it had like thousands of babies all around it that had just hatched like a couple of weeks ago and it's just sitting there eating its babies and i'm like yeah yeah you yeah you you're going in the boiling water and i'm going to crack you open have you ever heard them scream when they go on a board oh yeah i don't think they're really screaming i think it's probably air escaping their body look at this eating their kids look at her she's eating their kids this is crazy i was i was at a friend's house

48:07and they caught crabs and they would throw them and i think they screamed man i think it's like no i feel like they have vocal cords no this is like what does that mean jamie for people that are just listening it says monster red crab eats babies the dark side of nature yeah she's announcing i'm telling you joe they make a noise when you put them in a hot boiling pot of water what is that bottom of her she's got a charcoal briquette stuck under her doesn't that looks like one of them where the babies go easy that's where they all came from she eats them and they come right back out that is so gross she's such an she's just sitting there eating her kids like that anybody would give a about crabs oh you know i mean it's not gonna want them to go extinct but that's one animal that we in our house kill ourselves and no one has a problem with it it's like if they brought home a

48:56rabbit and you you gotta throw it in the water like fatal attraction like that was the only way to keep nobody would eat rabbits no no no no and we throw them in like a lot a lot alive i'm telling you they're in the water yeah most of the time most people don't even bother taking off their lobsters and lobsters we do not give a about lobster you get in there you let's get in there get in there you bug what's crazy is uh the this whole animal kingdom thing but one thing that scares me that you were doing when i walked in is playing these shooter games dude that game is a real problem jamie and i have been going to war for the last what two months and this started like two months ago yeah yeah maybe like that i'm in full-blown addiction mode now what is the threat like i i what's the thrill yes do you see us we're all sweaty and adrenaline yeah no great ass time i

49:53walked in it looks like i just finished working out it was like crazy jamie and i were going to war we go to war we talk a lot of too we go to war oh mission i tried i tried it's fun it's fun when he kills me he talks to me it's rough you're like god damn it he got me is that a game where people can go online and play with you too no we don't play with other people no we jump online this is the game this is it this is the game yeah dude it is a fun ass game it's it's called quake champions okay and people right now listening and going god damn it he's talking about that but me and jamie have been um and and jeff our other employee been playing this season okay see this isn't bad because they're like characters like i was playing one where it's like human beings like when you shoot somebody like i got scared when you get scared to go into the next room

50:42because you're really that nervous like it's freaks me out these shooter games are too realistic i grew up with frogger dude this is like you're always in like some sort of a castle yeah and the the people that you're shooting against they don't look anything like a person they look like a cartoon character but the graphics are sensational but more importantly like the game play is very precise and um you you have to have like real hand-eye coordination and skills like you learn things like tactics you learn how to move around maps you learn how to control resources controlling resources is giant like that thing that guy just picked up yeah that's like 175 health and you want to get all the armor that you possibly can then you also want to be like clever about weapons choices because you're always engaging at different distances different kinds of fights like sometimes

51:30you're stuck in like a corridor and sometimes you know you're you're in an area where they can't shoot you but you can shoot them if you use the right weapon man you need to bring back the old school atari that one red button that ran that one red button did everything on the joystick no you never killed a guy with a rail gun once you kill a guy with a rail gun you'll understand wait i don't want to kill a guy with a real real person i mean he's laughing while you do it when i shoot jamie if he jumps at me and i shoot him in mid-air with a rail gun we both like he shot me in the face the other day with a rocket and i was like it was hilarious dude in the mug i was like in the mug it like right in my face and i exploded like my whole screen just becomes a big red splatter i'm like it's fun i i can't handle it man it's too much for me i'm a what the older i

52:20get i'm just a puss man i need a man up i used to be so aggressive you're a big dude you're strong that's why nobody messes with me oh so they leave you alone yeah and that's because of it yeah you know what it's like it's like um like like you you like fight and all that stuff like i can't even like if somebody punched me in the face today i don't know how i would react like i don't know i used to be a bouncer at clubs i played college football like i was a tough dude now you're falling apart dude gonna get you a gym no no no i'm in shape but i mean like a fight gym no no why no learn how to fight a little bit no not to fight people well why do you so you don't worry about it i never worry about it okay well then don't worry about it because i'm at home at 8 30 sleeping by night you do stand up i know i saw you at the improv the other night nobody's going to jump on stage i'm

53:07talking about family oh man you never know people are crazy dude jumped up on the wwf and uh attacked uh who did he attack he attacked bret hart during his like speedster that's crazy has got to be like how old is he now 61 and he's a stroke survivor so up and the guy tackled him yeah jesus christ but joe seriously you think anybody's going to jump on stage when you're on some dude could either dude you would kill him no this there's a lot of people that can kill me don't get confused i know a lot of them have them in here all the time yeah i get that but like i i i just don't see me doing stand up talking about family of love and a dude because i hate family and love i'ma jump up no it's not it's not rational no you're right i mean a rational person wouldn't do that but you're not worried about rational people anyway okay so so say i started to go to a fight gym like

53:56where would i start at like what would i do i would say you should try jiu jitsu because it's fun it's a really good exercise and you'll learn some stuff okay you learn how to do it it's it's a technique based art whereas like say if um if you like there's there's guys that i will uh do jiu jitsu spawn we call rolling okay there's guys that i will roll with that are weaker than me smaller than me and tap me every time i roll with them and i'm a black belt okay like that's reality like if there's there's guys out there that 150 pounds that i can roll with that i know will tap me virtually every time we roll because their technique is sharper they train more often than i am they're more focused they're more in the groove but i also heard you say like one of your podcasts you got to watch out who you train with because they might just try to hurt you that's true i need i need

54:42you got to go to a good school with good ethics because a good school with good ethics they get rid of those guys do you know do you know one in studio city i'll do it sure i'll get you yeah no i'll do it i want to learn there's a good spot just a little further than that in tarzana okay machado's where i got my black belt john jacques machado i trained there sometimes and um he used to have a place in malibu but it closed down because of the fires um but they um they have an outstanding gym it's like one of the best in the country and it's in that area like as far as teaching yeah top notch like but there's a lot of really good jiu jitsu schools now it's not like um like when i started in 96 it was hard to find a good gym there was only like five of them in all of california right because it was just starting out it's like 93 is when jiu jitsu sort of emerged in the public consciousness

55:31because of the ufc and then the gym started like popping up popping up but i was really lucky there was like hicks and gracies which is where i took my first class and then uh carlson gracie's i thought they were like the same and the other one was closer so i just switched to carlson's i didn't know you know i was a wipeout but and then there was machados and then like a couple other places how long does it take you to get to a black belt like for you some guy it took me a long time i was a brown belt for eight years but it was just because i wasn't training as much as i should have like they you don't they don't give them away like you have to be a real black belt but it means who decides what is somebody just watching instructors yeah and you do people know okay everyone knows it's like like you know when a guy is killing like like let's take like theo vaughn for example like theo i

56:16love him he hit a groove some time ago whether it's two years ago or whatever it was and i remember being in the back of the store and i was like dude this motherfucker's on fire yeah he started hitting that groove that where where you go and sit down you want to watch his set yeah you know and i think when that happens in jiu jitsu it's the same kind of thing guys start talking about like dude mike has been tapping everybody dude he's just his jiu jitsu is so sharp and you're like man i'm gonna watch them roll and then you watch them all you're like dude that pass that guard pass and guys start asking like wait how about half are you training i'm going five days a week now really yeah and i'm taking two privates and then you know like this guy is on the quest and you'll see a guy go from white belt to black belt in three years but they have to be ex super exceptional like really unusual

57:04athletes unusual mindset unusual discipline it can happen most of the time like a garden variety estimate is like 10 years is realistic from white belt to black belt for a regular person if you really train hard and you really dedicate yourself but freaks can get there quicker like bj penn he won the mundials which is the world championships after three years of training three years of training he was a black belt won the world championship i won't be doing that bj's a special guy though and he's also got legs that are like arms he he has leg dexterity like no one on the planet yeah i got chicken legs that's actually good is it really yeah you could cinch up triangles on people with chicken legs yeah for real and bar people everywhere just think about it in terms of leverage guys with longer limbs like uh roger gracie is a perfect example he's a really tall long guy he's

57:57one of the best jiu jitsu players ever they can do things with those limbs that a shorter person can't do in terms of like leverage from joints and stuff like this like there's advantages to every frame like there's a guy like husamar palhara is a famous like tank of a guy he's like five seven two hundred plus pounds and just rips guys legs apart and he uses this like short style to dive in on people's legs and get him in heel hooks and knee bars and rip their legs apart he's terrifying yeah and that that style heavily favors being built like a little tank whereas like that long like you are you're a tall long guy you would have like good dars chokes good rear nakeds good uh good arm bars good triangles you would have length and leverage with that length especially with triangles because long legged guys they can like sometimes a guy like me with short legs like i'll i'll get my

58:53legs crossed yeah and i have to adjust a lot to be able to cinch up by triangle whereas you might be able to just close it up right there so you'll have like more opportunities for triangles because of the length of your limbs have you would you have ever been at a point in your in your career when you were doing jiu-jitsu where you how would you have been in the ufc like at your prime like i have no idea i have no idea i would have had to have gotten way better like when i was fighting i was just kickboxing yeah i was kickboxing and first of all first it was taekwondo and then went to kickboxing and by the time the ufc came around like on the ground i was useless it was a straight white belt i would get ripped apart every day i would go to the gym and if i if i tapped anybody like if it was like a a week went by and i tapped one guy i'd be like whoa i tapped a guy yeah you know

59:45there wasn't that many people doing it you know so i was going with like there was a couple of white belts maybe and then there was like blue belts and purple belts and brown belts and those guys would always tap me and so that's just how it went for a long time when you're you know unless you're some kind of freak like some big ass football player or some like super athlete you're probably not gonna be able to hold these guys off they're gonna they're gonna choke you now was it true you're gonna uh fight wesley snipes that was way later though way later that was a brown belt by then and i've been doing a lot would you have beaten him i don't know because we didn't we never did everything he's a real martial artist i was a real martial artist but he doesn't know jiu jitsu the thing that must have been exciting though foreign knew that he was a real

60:29legitimate martial artist like he throws kicks and punches and it looks really good like he really does know his but i also know he never fought and there's a big difference between throwing kicks and and i haven't fought in a long time but i probably fought a hundred times yeah so like i've been i've felt that nerves i know what that's like it'll be crazy as to do it again that's what i was thinking it'll probably scare the out of me but i think i know what to do like i think i know how to like get in there and start fainting start giving some movement and see how he reacts and then the worst case scenario is like i'm like in a scramble i'm gonna strangle this guy like if this if this comes to a scramble yeah because the the average person really doesn't know how helpless they are until a jujitsu black belt grabs a hold of you and then you just go oh like i'm helpless

61:22because in a fight you really think like you might be able to punch a guy like maybe if he's running me and he's swinging at me and i'm swinging him maybe i hit him first you really think that but there's no swinging if it's a jiu jitsu fight if if you guys get into some sort of a tussle and that guy grabs you and trips you and boom and he's on the ground with his hand on your jacket and a knee on your chest you're a dead man you're a dead man because there's no lucky shots yeah a jiu jitsu black belt is just gonna close the distance like that evil crab and he's just gonna squeeze your neck and there's no way you're gonna avoid it and there's no way you're gonna survive it you're just not going to that's why you don't fight people like like you can't fight people like i'm just you can't fight random people on the streets like when you're young that was the thing you could go to

62:08bars yeah if you like i i i had some friends that like to throw down when i was younger and i i wouldn't do it i was watching but good for you now it's kind of like you got to watch everybody because you don't know what kind of training they're doing like everybody's so educated on and it's so big right now well some guy fought off a guy in the subway that was attacking with a knife with some moves that he learned watching the ufc never even trained before he just knew what to do yeah he like knew what to do because he had seen guys like get the mount and and drop ground and pound he like knew what to do based on watching it yeah i think it's good like when you mention it i think it's good just to learn so you would feel better about yourself in case danger comes yeah man you want to be the person that gets to make the decision here's the thing right if you

62:54don't know how to fight and there's some drunk who doesn't know how to fight either but he might come over and punch you in the face and sucker punch you and he could hurt you or knock you out in front of your woman you want to be the one who gets to decide yeah if i'm in a situation in some guy and he's like reasonably close to my size and he's being an and he's drunk and he gets aggressive with me i can decide what to do with him like i can it gets i don't want to hurt anybody but i'm not going to let you hurt me yeah and you get to decide like you don't want like you've we've all seen these 7 11 parking lot fights on youtube or some and both of them don't know how to fight but one guy might that guy up he might kick him in the face while he's down you don't want to be that guy yeah like you don't want to be in that situation and definitely walk away whenever you can

63:40always we are so opposite because i've only been in one fight in my life it was in ninth grade playing basketball it was against a dude named matama like i'll never his name is matama drake and i threw one punch and i hit him right in the face and he looks at me and goes what's up and i was like no no oh no oh we're good oh my god did we let you get away with it oh yeah we'd started playing best thank god like that's it that was it like literally i hit him as hard as i could i could take a shot oh and he was just like what's up i was like nothing nothing is up so that's the only did i hit you back no wow no because i then i started you know oh you okay it's your ball yeah that's packing it man yeah did not try to get you back i mean and then i i was there was a club in houston named power tools that i used to gay bar no it was no no it wasn't right

64:41houston the gay bar was called riches at the time but i worked at power tools and i was a bouncer so that's when i was like 250 pounds you know uh you were a lot bigger when i met you oh yeah because i played college football for arkansas so i played outside linebacker so i was did you just stop lifting weights or do you steal a little bit no i'm all cardio now because yeah you know like trainers any trainer i work with since i got a big frame they're like what put some no i want to stay lean right you know but it's good for old age too man you know what yeah back problem like i'm 44 years old now yeah am i crazy dude flies 51. see 55-0 dude it is so scary when you read stories about people just dropping dead like around your age luke perry that's what i'm saying basically my age well they said what what is the danger zone is like 45 to 55 with heart failure it's

65:34like cra and oh man dude i beat my body up i'm running that until the wheels fall off i'm always getting stem cell shots i'm out running hills and lifting weight i still lift heavy weights i'm yeah why don't you say that word i said it again trying to get that rid of that word out of my vocabulary it just comes out sometimes why are you still lifting weights like heavy like that like what does it do for you well it does a bunch of things first of all if you want to train jiu jitsu it's very good to be strong yeah it makes a big difference first of all for defense especially for defense you know like for offense for sure too but really you want to be able to defend you know like defending is you have to be strong but also you just like being bigger it helps yeah i like it yeah i like being able to pick up things i like the physical ability of being strong i like being in

66:21shape too yeah like being able to run for long distances i like knowing that i can go rounds on the bag like i'll do five hard rounds on the back so you can run my knees are messed up i can't like get on a treadmill and run i can do like i've done the stem and the knee and it's helped out a lot but i'm still that dude that's on i'm like on this super fortunate i'm super fortunate about my knee injuries i've had knee injuries but um my meniscus i only had one meniscus scope on my left knee and it wasn't terrible like i was back to full 100 function after that and my right knee i didn't i have a little baby tear that i got some stem cells shot into but i had both of them reconstructed their acls were replaced but um no problems they work they work great yeah see i i just need to i listen to you and it's like you always taking something and i'm like oh i got

67:07to find out what that is and now i just want to get in better shape i'm in shape but i it's when you get older it's just like tough it's just it's just he is writing it down like you have to do it like do you do you keep a daily schedule no you have to do no i just wake up and go i i do have i wake up i work out like a cardio workout and then i do infrared sauna which has changed my life your life right every morning i infrared sauna amazing it's the best you sweat all that out you're like you feel great your skin glistens like i i think it's actually like changed the game for me i have more energy now everything's better it's so good for your body they did a study that showed a 40 decrease in mortality mortality amongst all causes heart attack stroke cancer 40 decrease with people that were doing the sauna four times a week well i will tell you this because the whole thing is

68:01everybody wants to feel young and when you were young the thing you did most was sweat and i feel like when i sweat it's just it's a it feels i don't know i just feel good sweating because it reminds me when i played sports it reminds me even though i'm not doing on the you know i sweat a little on the treadmill but when i do that infrared sign it makes me feel great i think it's there's a bunch of going on but there's that yeah for sure like it's good to feel good like you're sweating but there's heat shock proteins your body actually produces anti-inflammatory properties it's really good for you it's really good for joint aches and all kinds of like this i used to think of the saunas being nonsense like what do you what are you laying in the sauna for like what are you doing there just getting hot yeah yeah doing school workout but what kind of what kind of sauna do you do though i

68:42do a regular sauna okay see super hot regular slime i'm telling you you need to try the infrared yeah you can yeah i mean but look it's all just about getting your body hot yeah like it's good to try to infrared i'm sure i'm sure it works great but this study the 40 decreased mortality that was with a regular stauna song okay yeah that's why i got a regular sauna because uh dr rhonda patrick told me that the studies that have been done have all been done with regular sauna and she said there might be some benefit for infrared sauna but i don't know what's published what is see if there's a benefit see if this thing can say what's the benefit to infrared probably cooking my organs i don't even know it no i don't think so no i think it's great for you i just feel amazing after that that's supposedly what happens right it like gets deeper in your tissue yeah it's

69:24supposed to go deeper yeah i remember us texting back and forth i was like you got it like if you do the infrared sauna for like a week it's a game changer it's just son is two so i don't know i would like you to try regular sauna too how hot does the infrared get uh like a hundred and forty hundred forty four that's heating the air though too it's the difference yeah it's not it doesn't heat the air like you walk in and it feels it doesn't feel like it's that but that's just weird that's your microwave i'm not into that man that's like hot pockets you ain't turning me into a hot pocket that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying i'm probably burning up all my organs right now but i don't know i love it i like coming in and feeling that super heat you go in there and you're like oh it feels so good i love it yeah good for you do you with cold do you ever do

70:08like cryo or anything like that i tried that once yeah and it was right after the infrared sauna you're like try the call it's just i don't know man it wasn't my thing what do you mean it wasn't my thing i didn't think how so like it was freezing that's what i was like but it's just i don't want to i don't want to do it i don't know no i love heat but the cold thing is like nah i'm good i'm good on that i understand you know it's you love it i love it i do it too i i love both of them do you go back to back that's what they say you should do i have not gone back to back but i've gone and done both of them in a day yeah i like hot yoga too i like hot yoga and then doing the cryo which they say you shouldn't do because they'll give you a heart attack oh doing it hot i'm like says who yeah who's doing be a man who's getting a goddamn heart attack step up who's getting a heart attack not us

70:58i used to do hot yoga i need to get back into i just got to get flexible man it's just that's the tough thing about getting old and you know flexibility flexibility because what they say most most older people die on the toilet because they can't get up you know they they have some problem and they can't get up from wherever they are is that real oh yeah oh yeah that's a crazy way to go yeah just on the toilet you always imagine like elvis like as you're dying to be like cam you know i just don't want to die stupid right you know some stupid like you'll be reading uh in new york city some guy's just walking and something falls on them you know from oh or a person how about that suicidal person lands on your head i was at adidas and uh the flagship in new york adidas and like five minutes before i got there you know a person just jumped off and killed

71:47themselves right outside the store like out of residence jesus yeah that is that's one of the craziest ways to go like the the feeling of regret you must have when you feel the air under your feet and your phone you can't do nothing that's a wrap dude you made the decision you pulled the trigger here it comes the great beyond bang what goes through your mind when you're going down like that like and it's your choice you know what i mean probably filled with unbelievable terror unbelievable terror even though it's your choice there have been people that have survived jumps into the ocean they've jumped off like the golden gate bridge oh yeah all the time yeah i mean it's like one of the number one suicide spots in the u.s yeah but some of them make it they survive that would suck yeah like if you really wanted to die and you didn't die maybe not maybe you got a new

72:40lease on life like maybe you hit the water and you're like what i'm alive what the i i never could get myself to that place like i i like my life too much right now yeah well you're happy and that's an awesome thing but you know we were talking about spectrums yeah there's clearly a spectrum of that yeah you know and some people i think have it horrifically they just have whatever forever whatever reason chemical imbalance life experiences that are awful ptsd whatever the the formula is they have it to the point where it's almost unbearable everything 100 100 like my dad you know he was he he he uh served our country in the army and it didn't seem to affect him at all but uh you know he has friends that it's affected i have friends that have served they're affected by it and yeah what was that movie it was about benghazi um i forgot john krasinski did it but i

73:35had to interview the real guys that pulled off got the people out of benghazi and the normal world is so boring to him like literally they got excited when they talked about you know how it feels to have bullets whizzing by your head you know and you shooting at people like literally the real world is so and that's why they keep going back because that's the only way they can get that adrenaline rush which is you know to me i'm like that's crazy but to them that's where they get their high and that's that's life to them that's how they're living and i interviewed the three or four soldiers that went out there and saved these people and you saw that look in their eye you know what i mean it was like they would go back now if they could and they hated hearing how one of their own lost their lives out there yeah you know where they were like i could have done something about that

74:26and that's what they talked about it's like why we always want to go back is every time we hear one of our um one of our fallen soldiers they they fell we could have saved them and two of them were snipers and the other two were on the ground and they were like man it's just it's just real life is is very tame for us you know it's almost i'm putting what now i'm paraphrasing but i would say they think it's a bore just living our normal lives and unless they're fighting for our country and saving people's lives like everything else is just boring yeah i mean you're talking about literally life being turned up to ten there's yes nothing nothing else that compares it on the planet other than being a police officer yeah can you in a shootout or or just just imagine like a police officer walking up to a car that's freaky enough you don't know what's inside that's like you're playing

75:17roulette yep you don't know what's inside that car yeah you know like look there are some bad police out there but as just put yourself in that spot where you're a cop getting out your car walking to a car with tinted windows yep knocking on the window you don't know what you're gonna you don't know if it's a barrel with shotgun you don't know you have no idea you have no idea and people have to realize that that tension they carry with them all day they might have 20 of those interactions absolutely all day and and a couple could have been really bad for yeah and if you have you give them any or don't appreciate or respect that they're immediately going to go oh okay yeah you and you're the enemy now and it's horrible it's horrible that we give a person the kind of power that police officers have when they abuse it but it's also horrible that we create this

76:08relationship between fellow citizens a pro a cop is just a citizen it's just one of us where we are the enemy if we're not following the book especially when the book is stupid like it's pot laws or something dumb like that yeah or you're catching guys getting jerked off like jesus christ you know i've been pulled over a couple times and i i gotta say you know most of them like my dad you know they say a black thing to do when you have a black father they tell you very early on when a cop pulls you over hands out let them see it you know it's taught to us yes when we're when we're born and raised especially where i grew up so you know i even been profiled you know like and i'm half black you know you don't know what i really am a lot of people but i've been profiled so i know when i see when i hear the stories and i've been in cars with my friends that are dark

76:54skinned black and they've been pulled over and it's a thing where you're upset because you feel like you're being profiled but man once that cop walks over you need to show all due respect because they they control that game now it's a hundred percent their game once they pull up to your window you're in their card you also should think that they are entirely necessary for a civilized society 100 and if you want to be able to call the police if some is going down you should appreciate them when they're there and you know this does not discount all the bad costs oh yeah absolutely not discount all the things we've all seen the shootings are unjustified punchings are unjustified this is what we have to keep though perspective because there's so many interactions there's so many cops out there that are dealing with ptsd all day long because for a decade or two

77:44decades of their life they have been dealing with crime and violence all day long every day and they dress like the enemy they're not just a cop they're a cop who has to wear a cop outfit so everywhere you go like when you won't playing quake and you're playing team match here it goes quick the dude has a special flag over his head dude no that's a target i mean if you see if you see cops like bad guys see cops as the enemy you're being paid to be the enemy even if you've never had an interaction if you're a bad guy and that's a cop that's the enemy and that is a crazy position to ask people to be but even for people that don't have interactions with cops yeah a lot they still consider it the enemy sure because if they pull you over for speeding like it's gone through my mind it's like nobody's on the road right now why are you pulling me over for speeding like i'm not hurting

78:33anybody it's just a waste of time well you're trying to write a ticket because you have to write a certain amount and that's and that's when i think it goes over the top where it's like come on now i was talking to a cop about that i said okay now let me ask you this what if everybody agreed to never speed like we made up like a six-month agreement in this country where we would never speed and no one speeded in there was no more traffic violations in terms of speeding tickets what the would happen and he was like people would just get laid off left and right they were just really yeah you just they were like i think they would just slash the police department they put quotas on you because you're a glorified revenue collector i mean that's don't you think that's a problem though like when you're pulling people over and i think that it all look the problems with the police and people

79:19start from the core and that's a major problem if you have to pull over people even if you're a cop and go ah they're not really doing anything bad but i have to meet my quota of tickets that starts from a very negative place terrible terrible terrible place terrible place and terrible place for for both parties terrible place for the cop to bury his head in the sand and realize he's writing someone to ticket for no reason you know like you catch someone speed limit 65 they're sick they're going 69 you pull them over like kid the you can't even pay attention like there's no way unless i'm not looking at the road like unless i have cruise control or i'm not looking at the road oh i might get to 69 i might back up to 65 again even if i'm trying to go the speed limit but i know people that have been pulled over four miles over a hundred percent and but as a driver of

80:09that car going four miles over you're pissed yeah like automatically jacked yeah you just got jacked and then you're mining or protecting and we all know he's writing a ticket just to write a ticket yeah it's probably the 27th or 28th of the month yep and they got to meet their quota and he just put like that's where they driving to vegas is the worst they set up traps and especially close to the end of the month you know if you're driving to vegas go to speed limit because they're waiting for you i got pulled over by a plane have you seen this going to vegas they have planes that now radar you they don't even and then they send out cop cars so the plane radars you and then a cop car pulls you over yes oh my god yeah yeah and that was the last time we went to vega i went with my wife and son and we got pulled like a cop car came out of nowhere and my wife here's the difference

80:57you know this shows that my wife is white from wyoming right and this is the big difference that's real white that that's white pilgrim that's like casper the friendly ghost white that's like cowboy white right translucent literally right yeah only cowboys up there wyoming cowboys yeah did your your wife grow up on a ranch no no no no i think they have cities yeah they she grew up in gillette gillette wyoming what the is that gillette how many people there 80 i think 3 000. come on no seriously three thousand they're like the brady bunch i'm married into the brady bunch like seriously they're a real life friend it's like good morning michael how are you like they are those people it's kind of cool no it's great so a cop pulls us over for this vegas trip and this is the difference in cultures we have and this is why i try to tell my wife when the cop came over his name let's say officer

81:47andrew he comes over i'm very polite i said yes sir you got it no problem i was speeding no problem my wife and the cop goes we pulled you over by a plane so he gives me a ticket i'm like hey officer have a great day he's like you too sir my wife is in the back seat with my son rolls down the window when he's walking away and goes excuse me uh how do you know it was this black suv i see lots of black suvs passing us and it's from a plane are you serious i'm like i'm about to die the cop turns back around like comes to my side of the window and says excuse me ma'am and but just the privilege to be able to talk to a cop like that because she has no idea she has no idea that's the real white privilege that's the real one and i'm like babe and i'm like telling the guy tell me about i'm telling the cop i'm saying hey baby it's okay i was speeding did you talk about this on

82:41stage no you should i know dude that's hilarious and i'm like you should for sure about this on stage it's it's just it scared me because i was scared because she's the cop comes back around write that down right now okay kick that pad right down write it down you must talk about this on stage white wife yeah cop wyoming white wife cop plane radar black suv wyoming cowboy white people okay we got a whole feet we got a stain dude so shoehorn horseshoe he comes back over and he's trying to explain to my wife like about a plane and she's giving this cop attitude oh no yeah oh no and when we drive off i go baby you cannot do that like you almost killed me and she was like stop being ridiculous i'm like no no you really no you really you got me killed you never you never know wrong guy wrong place wrong time wrong history wrong background wrong state of mind that he's

83:45in what if he didn't like a black dude married to a white woman for sure yeah like and she didn't get that but now she gets that because we have a son you know what i mean so i think once you have a multi-ethnic son now she's like oh i'm all about moana i'm all about she doesn't like she's all about the ethnic cartoons and not the white ones but she's trying she's trying she's got a good mindset yeah she's trying and her family's trying you know it sucks that anybody has to ever worry about getting accidentally shot by a cop and the problem i think is not going to go away until the problem of crime goes away and that's not going to happen either so like what do we do to make life safer for everybody that's a real good question well i think awareness for sure like people being aware of all these videos that's one thing that i think that black black lives matter did that

84:36people don't want to accept but it's really important is it became a national thought yes it's not just another story in the news it's a national thought like this is a movement to try to eradicate this and all the times where you've seen guys plant guns on people after they've shot them like all these crazy videos yeah you see videos of black people with no guns getting shot and then here's the problem they go to court and then the cops are innocent did you see the one where the guy throws the gun down on the ground was it was it a taser what did he throw down on the ground there was like he shot him and then as he's coming into the body he dropped something on the ground when i was growing up at least i don't know when it changed but cops were supposed to shoot not to kill you but to handicap you like shoot you in the legs shoot you in the arms you guys are not

85:24that good a shot there's a lot of cops that are just not good at shooting guns i mean there's a lot of that are military trained that are very professional and very serious who are but it's like look i watched a video the other day of a guy getting into all altercations off-duty cop got into an altercation with this guy and he tried to pull his gun out the guy grabbed him grabbed his risk i did not know how to fight at all and probably only knew how to like shoot people yeah he gets taken down the guy obviously knew jiu jitsu took him down mounted him took the gun from him threw the gun away and beat the out of him from the mount pounding the guy turns his back he gets his back he's beating the out of him it's horrific because this cop thought he was safe and pulled his gun but this is like one example of like just because someone's a cop doesn't mean they're a

86:10well-trained prepared cop there are those out there first absolutely but there are also some slobs like i've seen some guys that are that are a cop i'm like bro you can't run a block how the are you a cop yeah yeah you know like this is a ridiculous position for you to put yourself in and anybody else you're trying to protect you're handicapped by gluttony you know but but at the same time we do need them we need the cops we need them to be more respected and appreciated they're not very respected and appreciated by a lot of people i think that's a huge mis-service what i hate about this conversation whatever side they're on with the cops they're going to pull whatever they want because we've talked negative well not negative we said some things about and i hate how we're in such a polar place where oh you're either form or against and that's like what everything and that's what i hate

86:58you can't have a conversation anymore yeah and that's where we're at right now it's like you can't say anything wrong with cops because then you don't support the cops if you support the cops then you'll get attacked by the other side going oh well they kill innocent people i know sure someone can take a clip of anything you've said today without further elaboration because most of what you said you further elaborated absolutely they could take that one snippet and just put a little clip up somewhere michael you said this or worse yet quote it this is what he said about cops people like him i thought he was pro cup like this well that's the world we live in today yeah this is the world we live in and that's why it's so horrible man well it isn't it's not it is that part is horrible but it's the best time to be alive ever the best time to be alive in terms of our ability to

87:45understand our effect on each other the best time to be alive in terms of our ability to access information the best time for for if something is going on you'll alert people that this thing like a crime is taking 100 we could spread the news of it so quick we just have to we're just not used to so much we're not used to so much that we have to deal with all day we're not designed for so much and it happened in 35 years yeah you know like like just think about like our parents right when we were growing up the tv was black and white and then it went color and that was the right thing for them for us there were no cell phones or internet yeah and then in our in like the last 35 years i i don't think you'll ever see a technology boom like in this last 35 years so many advancements happen so quick and that's why we today can't react to them fast enough we don't

88:36know like like now parents are doing like parents that are our age are doing the same things the kids are doing where my dad never cared about playing atari or doing anything he had totally different interests where now the kids that are coming up since this boom is so fast we're still learning new technology and now our kids are learning it with us and there's no separation i i agree and i think it's definitely like untreaded territory but i disagree that that we'll never see a boom in technology like we've already seen i think we're we haven't even scratched the surface really yeah we haven't even screamed but when you have but i i guess i'm saying things that changed the world like there was no internet joe now elon musk is working on called neural link and i don't know exactly how this works because he wouldn't exactly explain it but the concept is about increasing the

89:29bandwidth between human brain activity and information somehow or another to get information quicker to you and have you access it in a quicker manner i don't know what the that means it's something you wear on your head some dude just tried it jamie there's an article that just i just found i'm looking at it yeah some dude just said i might or might not have tried elon musk's neural link like he's kind of like bound by silence but there there is a real possibility that think about what here's here's how to look at it think about wi-fi right wi-fi is in this room we use it you can access you can shut your phone off and turn your wi-fi on and you'll be able to access all the information the internet where is that coming from where is that it's in the air it's in the sky it's all around us if you can wear something that picks up on that in the same way picks

90:21up on wi-fi in the same way it picks up on cellular signals whether it's 4g or 5g which is coming out soon which is supposed to be unstoppable yeah if that can feed information directly to your brain through something that you wear just the way they do these you know they have these um electrodes they put on your head and they send magnetic pulses different parts of the brain helps people with traumatic brain injuries helps people with depression they've been able to do this by taking these little things and they stick them to your head and they they'd send this pulsating magnet in there they could already affect the brain with external stimulation they already know how to do that if they can figure out how to do that in a much more sophisticated way we are on the edge of becoming cyborgs and it's not far away we're talking about within the next decade maybe two decades

91:13there's gonna be something that changes a person and makes you like if you're a person with a limited education and no phone think about how but then but think about how little access to the 100 knowledge base you had now if you're a person with limited access to information and education but you have a phone and that phone is online you have everything so that changes everything this person now can access all the knowledge i mean it's not perfect if you google things some of the things are yeah some articles are dumb they don't make sense but you have possibility of finding all the information now in the future i think that is going that's going to be escalated and it's going to be escalated exponentially there's going to be some new leaps in technology that happen that guys like you and i that don't work in the field we're not we're going to see it coming

92:06these people are working on these things right now and they're competing with people in china and russia and all over the world that are also working on these technologies and they're going to get through and they're going to make something and that something is going to change reality as we know it and it's probably right around the corner the same way cell phones and the internet changed our reality as compared to our parents this is going to change but the neuro thing is it i i get that your brain gets it right away but i don't know how it works but but let's say your brain gets it you put this machine on like this and then it sends it straight to your brain what's the difference of that besides quicker than you being on the computer and looking at you're still getting the same so i don't think that's the case but you're getting the same information

92:47i don't think that's how it works what does this guy say this is april fool's joke is it an april fool's job is it what is the title of the article elon musk might have let me try a neural link but oh release anything but but let's say and i know you don't know about but let's say you put on a device and all the information goes through your brain you're still getting the same information maybe not what have you ever seen someone use an exoskeleton you know what nexus what is that exoskeleton is like a suit that you put on that's like say if you work in a factory it'll allow you to pick up much heavier things like remember the movie aliens yes sigourney weaver she's up that thing she's inside that rope oh yeah okay get away from her you ferocious that's like a giant robotic exoskeleton this is an exoskeleton that they use for people that are paralyzed god actually helps them walk okay um

93:37they also are developing exoskeletons oh that's a chair huh there's seven of them here that one has extra legs oh that's pretty dope um there's things that help people like that gal right there is not a big person but she can work in a factory and you can carry things that are much heavier than what you would ordinarily be able to carry okay now they think that as technology moves and improves they're going to get to the point where they develop what's essentially like an iron man suit that's like an exoskeleton you know the iron man suit like when he wears that he's invincible he can flies he can smash things and pick things up and throw things that's going that that is entirely possible that this is going to be our future that there's going to be suits that we wear that make us impervious look at this guy's got one that lets him fly around and he's got

94:27rockets that come out of his head do you think the government would ever approve that for us today they don't have a chance it's not whether or not they improve approve it it doesn't have anything to do with them it has to do with the technologists it has to do with the scientists it has to do with the geniuses that are creating these type these things because they're going to come in waves and these dummies that don't even understand what facebook is yeah these are the same guys they're going to stop these people from putting out iron man suits they're not going to tell them until it's way too late too late already when they tell them they're going to make them for sale and they're not going to give them the option as to whether or not they regulate them they're just gonna they're gonna make them for people and then you're gonna have to figure out the laws once people

95:03have them and then once grandma has one and all of a sudden grandma's playing tennis again you tell me grandma can't play tennis because some bad guys want to use an exoskeleton to rob a bank because that shit's coming all of it's coming bulletproof exoskeletons i still everything you've said so far still to me is not bigger than not having internet well they aren't that tender but we don't know if that technology the thing that you can like talking to your phone and you could say hey siri when was uh the constitution formulated yeah you know hey siri what was the first draft of the declaration of independence written on you could you can ask those questions as serial will answer those questions google search will answer those questions for you but what if you just know it what if that thought interfaces with your brain in a way where it describes things maybe in symbols or direct feed

95:56of information through some unfathomable technology that literally just permeates language it just gets through all so if i speak to you information if i speak to you in a different language it'll automatically translate it things like that yes that's well they already could do that you know they have these google earbuds yeah these pixel buds i think they're called really if that worked would they just get rid of school or would school only be to tell you how to work that well you don't need scholars because you would need to know whether or not this this stuff is accurate you would need women and men who are educated in this and that's this is one of the reasons why the scientific method is so important one of the reasons why when people on like ridiculous things like like grievance studies and a lot of the things that are overcoming universities

96:39these days where you're taking away with your preposterous social justice ideology you're taking away from the real pursuit of knowledge and information because you want it to match up with your ideology this is a dangerous time to with information oh absolutely because people are already pooling up in these little echo chambers well they you know whether it's uh message boards or twitter groups that you're in and and they they feed off of each other and agree on each other with each other all the time you gotta be really careful with information these days and also you know what they have to keep scholars to keep the real information because it's just like that uh one show i forgot what it's called black something black box black black mirrors like they can change reality like literally like if you don't have scholars to oversee this stuff they can be like oh you know what slavery never

97:24happened or this never happened and it would go away because the people born today will never know there's people that to this day will deny the armenian genocide there's people to this day that deny that this is a real thing yeah there are certain human beings that deny that and what's it going to be like 100 years from now i mean how many of those people will exist then there's a lot of those circumstances in life where you have to be really careful about what information is what's processed like we have to you have to be 100 accurate if you're saying something that is a historical record and you can't with it at all but they are now but everybody has from history that's the reasons why all religions are different right because everybody has their own little version of history i mean this is one of the reasons why many different religions have stories of jesus but they very well

98:12they're very yeah he's telling the truth well i mean it's it's thing where where what's scary to me about this world today is that misinformation is out there all the time and people believe it and people just people don't read anymore they just listen to the bullet point and scream that out like literally and i don't want to get political or anything but but i remember when everybody was saying obama's going to raise taxes and they were interviewing people that didn't even make 30 000 saying oh he's going to raise my taxes like nah he's not even talking about you but you're yelling out a bullet point if you would have read the article you would have read you were fine that's the thing people are in today we want to yell out bullet points if fox news if you watch that and they say this you're just yelling at that but you never read like if cnn is your thing

98:59you're just yelling what they're saying but you don't read like me i watch both i actually read both articles i i could talk politics all day like i think i think there are good things that republicans do i think there's good things that uh democrats do i think democrats right now are in a state where they're they they fight amongst each other they're gonna crush each other before the election even comes it's it's like obama said it's a circling fire squad they're shooting at each other and and here's the thing the good thing about the republicans bad or good however you take it if one of them says let's go they go with democrats it's ah let's talk about it i mean it's more intelligent way to do it but they don't have each other's back i feel as much and that's why their messaging is always off that's why donald trump donald trump could have never been a democrat

99:49like if donald trump said i want to run for president and been a democrat they there's there's they wouldn't mesh well the republicans it works because oh we just want to stay in charge and whatever he says we're going to roll with you know george bush uh weapons about let's go you know it's just they're 100 behind it where i think why do you think that is uh i want us you know i when i was i grew up i voted for bush after 9 11 right because i'm from texas you know and i think it's the autolog uh idolatrous ideology that oh we want to pay back and it's i don't want to say good old boys but it's like hey rah-rah let's go yeah that's the whole thing it's it's amazing remember when the flags were in everybody's car oh yeah oh yeah and it was like we were all behind it dude that was the weirdest i remember i was driving somewhere and uh i made a turn on the street near

100:43my house and it was uh one or two days after 9 11 and i never saw more flags on cars in my life it was like the world changed oh like everybody had a flag on their car and everybody cared about each other or at least and that's the thing that's sad about the world today is i tell i tell everybody and i'm not a politician but i will say this when you have two different teams that are rivals they'll never come to the same conclusion unless there's tragedy um right when that was one of the things that reagan said once we was talking about they were meeting with gorbachev and he said i often wonder how we would put our differences aside if we were faced with an alien threat from another world oh we totally would the idea that this global conflict that we think about in terms of russia versus the united states but if there were some aliens coming down here wore a

101:38world style it would be independence day everybody would join forces everybody because now you have a common enemy and i also believe the way the our country's being ran right now you know trump is good at making an enemy that he survives off the enemy this person's the enemy right now everybody attack now this person's an enemy everybody attack him i'm not saying it's right or wrong i'm just saying that's the way it is yo he just with people apparently there's some dude that's his head of secret security or secret service that he calls dumbo because the dude has big ears he replaced him today he replaced him oh he fired him dude he is he's a wild man and he's probably on speed that's what i think but it's crazy man like i i'm just watching this and it's hilarious i mean if it wasn't the fact that you think that like the moral fiber of our country is deteriorating is just

102:27he does have big ears got some big massive ears wow well well but i know a lot of people with big ears that i like dearly but don't you but but don't you believe this joe let's be honest if america like the whole country could look in the mirror when donald trump was elected it's a reflection of america when he got it when he got voted it's a reflection of a percentage of us sure no no no but egotistical it's uh drama of some sort but i don't want to generalize like in terms of like say that's america i would i would for a joke yeah but i mean if you were being serious but i'm being but i am being serious well then why were there why was there the women's march where millions of women were well let me tell you let me tell you why because i think donald trump here's here's when everybody was depressed donald trump was president i go you got to look at the positives if hillary was elected

103:21those women would have never got together to march donald trump has brought more people together against him more we were marching americans were marching for muslims after donald trump became president the positivity that donald trump has created with the opposition and the in the togetherness you had a million women march because donald trump was president you had people marching for the muslims because donald trump was president he's brought for the first time i feel like they the side that opposes donald trump they're more together than ever and even though we say it's ripped the country apart you know because you know there's some problems in this country but it has brought a bunch of people together and i don't think if hillary was president you wouldn't have had the women march you wouldn't have had the marshfield muslims you wouldn't have people backing

104:09immigrants she just started executing men that's what she would do she'd take them all town square and start shooting them first with bill bill will be the first one she'd had him on television well that was the whole thing like you did public execution yeah just like iran are just like our allies in iran but but don't you but don't you think does iran do public executions or is it syria syria does right yeah but don't you think like when hillary didn't stand up to build that's where she lost everybody it started way before the election because women wanted her to stand up to him back then they don't know what she did or didn't right we just know what you did publicly and publicly why would she do that that's that seems like it's crazy to do like why are you you're you're a dignified person you're gonna publicly well not trash but you don't have to stand next to him even melania

104:59trump bounces on trump you know she's like she's like nah i think hillary without bill didn't exist i think that guy was a dick slinging buccaneer and he made his way into the white house and she rode that wave there was a giant v12 sucking gasoline like it was going out of style blowing a big wake behind it and she was hanging on to that wakeboard line jesus bill where are we going she wasn't gutting out of arkansas she wasn't getting in the white house she wasn't the secretary of state settle down what do you think nonsense so it's kind of like hey you know what you got yourself into is that what you're saying well there's that and there's also she's a liar yeah like and maybe it's she's a liar because she's a politician but when just you compare what was public like her knowledge of what went wrong with the email servers and all that jazz and many other instances too just one we'll

106:01talk about and what comey said when comey was examining the evidence and what what they did wrong and what she said they did wrong they're very different very different things very different things and this is politics right if your base hears you say something that isn't true but you say it with confidence even though the evidence doesn't support it that argument takes place and it blurs the gray area in the middle between guilt and innocent do you do you think when when uh somebody gets elected president they have a meeting and then they say these are the things you can go after and these are the things you can't because if you go after this we can't protect you from it i really believe those conversations happen in the white house like yeah when i say you think they they say they can't protect you i think like don't come after the jews no no no no no i'm saying like

106:50there's certain organizations like leave the rockefellers alone they're starting to get away from the rothschilds there's certain organizations don't talk about the cfr no i'm gonna say stay out of bohemian grove i just think there's a list of corporations big corporations that run america that they say you can't go after because a lot of presidents go in there saying i'm gonna do this against this court i'm not gonna even say the corporation because i want to live uh and i feel that secret service really calls these people in the presidents and go hey this is who you can't go after here's who you can't and if you do go after those you're kind of on your own because we won't be able to save you because they're too powerful but i believe in that giant corporations that have incredible influence on politicians because incredible reach yeah and spend so much

107:38money to keep them in power and get them into power and help contribute to the campaigns and then they scratch each other's backs if a president were to go in and say i'm gonna get rid of all lobbyists that president would not make it through his term um well it's hard to say that no it's not no there's too much money joe i mean i don't know what's too much money that's too much money if i'm gonna agree with you in this day and age it's hard to say that because you'd have to get everybody on board with killing a president i think they definitely did it with kennedy oh you mean i think 100 you know i was talking to uh you know do you have to get everybody bowers no but do you have to get everybody on board yeah i mean it's just to get everybody on board who knows about it because otherwise people are going to tell if you go and kill the president you you have to get a lot of people on

108:22board as we're probably going to get raided by the secret service right now but no i'm saying if you want to kill president it's not like it used to be i think it used to be less consequential not that it was always i mean like john wilkes booth days right way easier to kill the president you could just roll out yeah then kennedy way easier to kill a president in 1963 than it is to kill a president in 2019. could you still do it yeah but you're probably going to get caught like you would probably get caught it let you would have to have i mean there would have to be a you would have to have a tiny small circle of sociopaths and psychopaths and they all agree to keep it hush to me it's just one person calling another person saying do this pay them off and then you can get caught but one per look you have secret service you have uh military protecting them

109:10yeah it's different yeah because you'd have to get a lot of layers to get past all that you know and someone would have to make a mistake in mapping like that was one of the things they said about uh dealey plaza when they rolled kennedy through they're like what security person would ever agree to let someone roll through with a convertible with building all these buildings yeah yeah and then also you have to take that long slow turn where you know it's not like you just drive by going 50 miles an hour and you got to get your gun off and shoot them quick no the guy was driving slow it's ridiculous like you're asking for someone to get assassinated but i just i just really feel like there are rules like that we'll never ever know about but once you get in there they're like hey here's what you need to know here's what you need to know not to go against i would think that if anybody's

109:56going to tell us that it's trump i think the best thing that could ever happen is that trump gets out of his terms in the white house and just starts talking it starts writing books tell us everything yeah you want to be the king of the world write a a huge book on exactly what it's like the day you become the president that would be insane how how do you think he's going to be treated once he gets out though they'll love him you think so they love bush people hated bush they called bush a war criminal now he's an adorable grandpa who paints you know it's true it's true it's true look man whatever people hated obama when he was in office they're gonna love him within a few years i mean most people that were supporters of obama they love him now yeah i mean he's like he's an ionic figure yeah i mean i don't know i think they're gonna i think a certain percentage of

110:47the population loves trump right now period and you know they have reasons to back it up in terms of like the economy what they think is happening with job creation all these different things that he's doing that may or may not not have devastating implications depending on who you talk to that's an expert and i'm not one yeah i mean neither but there's obviously and then also people say well this is a trend that was actually going on during the obama administration he's just riding the wave maybe i'm too stupid i don't understand that stuff but i'm saying there's in terms of numbers it's not like the country is completely imploding right now i mean maybe some people by some people's metric it's not doing as well as he would like to pretend it is probably but my thing is it doesn't even matter like when they say the stocks are up and all that it's it's what matters

111:29is your personal life are you in a better place because he's president i think but for some people they're not right some people like if you get rounded up by ice no you're not yeah you're not no i mean that's it's horrible this is the worst time ever for perception of us in terms of like the way we handle immigrants well you know you know the the bad part about immigrants it's all bad but you know the problem is they've they've dealt with this problem what for the last 30 40 years i mean and if they make nicer facilities let's say they know they're coming so they don't have enough judges the facilities are horrible so let's say they make nicer facilities then the government thinks the the whole thinking of the government is if we do that then that's going to encourage more to come because now it's nice yeah they're like bro you get over there nice you get a shower

112:21they have delicious food yeah they have a taco stand you have a party over there bro margaritas you party with the guards once you get to know them they're good guys and that's the thing is like what do you do what do you do like i think i think this is a problem that will take generations to fix and it is a problem there is a problem the only way it's really gonna get fixed really is two ways one you gotta make drugs legal and two you gotta prop up all these countries all these countries that are third world countries where these people are fleeing because they don't have any possibility there's no hope for them wherever they are if they're in incredibly poor countries there's no future they don't they don't have the resources they don't have anything to do so the only way you can keep people happy on a global scale is you've got to figure out like we've the highs are the

113:11highs right yeah like wealthy people in the industrialized western world right and the lows the lows are people that lived in that are living in these places that are disease ridden poverty stricken horrible with no future you got we've got to figure out a way to bring everybody to a comfortable middle all over the world so that there's no extreme poverty in any location anywhere we want to eradicate diseases okay for sure we do right we all do don't we want to eradicate the the problem the dis-ease of poverty is a dis-ease it's a terrible feeling to be poor and scrounging for food in a crime-ridden environment and the only way to fix that is put attention on those areas and use money to try to raise it up they're not going to raise up on their own they never have no they never and never will yeah i just think globally if if if people ever could get their together and this is what i

114:06hope this is my if i had like a pipe dream of technology yes that technology gets us to a place where we can read each other's minds and i think this is possible and i think once we can read each other's minds we can understand that we're not that dissimilar we're not nearly as far apart as we think we are and that most of our problems that we have are problems of ego and problems of ideology and problems of ethics and morals and truth and lies and that reading each other's minds will sort a lot of that out and then we're going to figure out a way to i don't want to say like for redistribution of wealth i don't think you should just give people things what i think you should do is try to figure out a way to rebuild communities and give people opportunities to live better lives and we have to do that globally i think but i think the problem today is present it to because i listen to both

115:00sides when you travel as a comic you'll people just come up to you and tell you their views on just random things so you hear from both sides one side is like i don't want to just give out stuff for free you know i why should i give them stuff i worked hard for mine and the other you got other people that go we we need to help everyone out because we are the world type of situation you know they're both right this is why it's confusing yes yeah they're 100 both right but you don't want to give people stuff but you don't want to just you got lucky yeah you got lucky as you're born in america i mean you're from texas i'm from boston dude we're we're from like the industrialized western world in the the pinnacle of civilization in terms of like opportunity there's never been a place like this we're the luckiest people anybody who doesn't acknowledge that you

115:48got to be crazy man i was i became friends with this lady at a restaurant and me and my wife and son would always go in there and we got really close and she was just talking about like you know her family's from ecuador and her kids she can't afford her kids to be over here so she's sending a school over there and she keeps sending money over there but like it's riddled with gangs nothing but gangs out there and if they find out you're in america sending money back they'll hold your family hostage you know what i mean and it's and that's real people don't believe that they think they oh that's not it's real like this lady we've known for over like eight years and she tells these stories about like her sending her money and she has a person out there that that basically you know lives in a little house and keeps everything secret because if it comes out that she's

116:34sending money to them they'll they'll hold that family hostage and they'll have to figures off and yeah like it's really bad and we're living here you know we're lucky we're doing this podcast but there are people struggling and when i hear people go ah you know that's their problem nah that's that's terrible an awful human being yeah your perspective sucks for sure it's terrible and it's going on all over the world and it's creating this and i feel that you know we're creating this me me me yeah situation but i also think we need to also have conversations about it i did a i did a show in kansas city and i always talk about when i do stand up i don't talk politics so you know you do the local press and things and there were people that come out to my shows and trump hats like literally wearing trump hats sat front row and did that to with you i don't

117:27know but i thought we did also i don't care but they probably did they probably did yeah because because after the show literally and when i say trump supporters like they look i mean like the big husky guy hey how are you doing like that type of thing and they go we heard our wife said you weren't uh gonna talk politics so we want to see you know and and then she goes he's right you didn't you know and oh we wanted to see we're going to sit up front where our trump hat support our leader just in case you crack any funnies about his orange skin or his up hair but i didn't i did because that's not my comedy but they bought all basically they bought tons of merch because i didn't do it and they also said something that was important and i think this is important to know when you try to make a point to somebody when you start off yelling at him it's never going to go well if you can

118:14explain it to him through your eyes and not yell have a conversation because i talk a lot about like you know i i talk a lot about growing up in all white neighborhood in the racist things that i encountered and i didn't yell at them and i didn't say i i hate white people i just told my point of view and they actually were open in they actually respond i understand now you know nobody's ever explained it to us like that and i think it's about conversation not because when we watch tv it's all about you suck you suck well let me tell you why you know it's you got to start from a place put it like this have you i i don't know if you heard of this green deal where they want to take 70 percent of anyone that makes over 10 million 70 of their income that's hilarious that's hilarious it the dumbest thing that's aoc right yeah yeah it's the dumbest thing ever i don't

119:06mean i wasn't calling her no no no no no i i like her i say good luck as a expression yes i like her too i like her but i don't agree with her with that but i like her but what i'm saying is my friend was like oh you know if the democrats win that's going to get passed because we hate rich people and i go that's the problem we're starting at hate the reason why you think it's going to pass because you think people hate rich people see and that's you've got to have a conversation fix it here's another thing first of all you've got incompetent use of funds like where does the money go all our taxes where's this idea that if you tax the rich that all of a sudden all the problems will stop existing that is so silly you still have incompetent people that are distributing the money they'll just create more jobs there'll be more red tapes and we get more in debt yeah what we've got to do

119:52is figure out a real plan for engineering our civilization better that's that's what people have to do and there should be like real discussion from like real experts biologists historians people who really understand human psychologists people really understand human beings really understand what's wrong with our society today and we have an open discussion but you know that that never happened but that can never happen of course it can but no no no right now because of the government because they here's the thing what do you mean that can happen it's just we have to look at it in terms of a real priority but no it goes by it goes by the whoever parties in charge their priorities it's not like my problem somebody has to make it a priority for the nation that's what i'm saying but it's not impossible but until you have a person i believe everything can be fixed this

120:43is a simple fix if you just elect a person that takes some republican values and some democratic values the thing is right now in politics you have to be one or the other like if i ca if a person came in and go you know what i like these republican ideas i like these democratic ideas let's roll i'm gonna be down the middle and let's roll with both call being a centrist yeah yeah that exists yeah but it needs to win but that can happen it can happen all of it but until you see the right person but until that happens what does that mean though every four years we figure out what happens right and before trump won we never thought a reality show guy could win but that guy won yeah and you go okay well now we know that happens all this stuff can happen this is not like we're not asking for alchemy we're not trying to turn lead into gold we're trying to figure out a way but you're

121:29going against a system that that is is you are no we the si there's a new system the new system is the system of public opinion which is readily accessible absolutely and that's never happened before there's never been a time where everyone had a say in one way shape or form whether it's through commenting through instagram or twitter or social media that's one of the reasons why upholding the freedom of speech and these things is so important even if people are saying things you don't agree with yeah the only way this all gets sorted out is we get to figure out a way to express ourselves and there's going to be arguments back and forth but what you got to do is someone's got to put forth an educated plan like a plan that's based on science and reason and a plan that you can debate against opposers of that plan but when you have people that don't believe in science a

122:17lot of how do you how do you slowly but your league up to edge you got to get there it's going to take generations this is what i'm saying it's like the the momentum of our stubbornness and our our past and the the sort of the systems that we find ourselves stuck in systems of behavior and thinking and culture all that stuff is going to take a long time yeah we sort the wheat from the chaff we got to figure out what's good and what's bad and we're doing it we're doing it but we're doing it actively and it's frustrating because you're like god damn it this is the worst time we still have all these problems we still have cops shooting people we still have crime we still have wall street theft we still have all this stuff yeah but you know what i like it but you know what i like is we know about it now yeah where it's not hidden like 20 years ago like you heard in let's go 30 years ago

123:03you heard nwa make that song after police yeah and they're talking about the same things that are happening today except you would hear the song and go oh that's a great song that's about rodney king yeah rodney king you watched him get the beat out of him yeah on tv and here's the thing about the rodney king thing that guy apparently was a like he'd done a bunch of crazy right he got in a uh car chase with the cops he beat the out of somebody before that there was a lot going on you just got to see the end of it while this guy is was he on what was he on i don't know i don't know if he was he on a drug i think he was on pcp pcp apparently makes you look super human strong i had a buddy of mine who got his finger bitten off while he was on pcp so he didn't even know you're bitten off by who a street fight yeah it's like he didn't even realize his fit cause he was he was on pcp he

123:50didn't realize somebody bit his finger off then he went to yeah he had uh he had uh his toe removed and his toe uh put uh onto his finger where his finger used to be was it a thumb no it's his pinky fingers uh his um trigger finger so on one of his and he had it curved so he could always throw right hooks so his when you would shake his hand his uh he would give you like this weird handshake where he would shake your hand but there was always one finger that wouldn't be trying to tickle the middle it didn't move good yeah because they it was really his toe that they replaced his uh finger with a toe that must have looked weird it was weird it was real weird yeah but that's pcp son living that pcp life crazy people in boston man he was a boxing coach oh yeah i don't know man it's just we need to get to a better place yeah we're getting to a better place but i think it's a

124:47long slow process i think we are in the i mean there's people that say like hey to to minimize the suffering that people feel right now isn't just and for you to say that is outrageous and it's just a hallmark of your delusional perspective that's not true this is not denying the awful things of the world the awful things of the world exist but if you tried to look at this as a mathematical equation if you looked above you would say well there's a lot of problems here there's a lot of competing factors there's environmental factors like what are they doing in the world what are they doing to the ocean what are they doing in the air oh jesus everything's warming up and and people are fighting over what's causing it like they're not even paying attention this is madness but look how much knowledge there is look how much discussion there is movements are moving and growing and

125:33people are even when they're misinformed it's still there's activity there's all this stuff going on even when you know someone says hey we're gonna tax everybody that makes more than ten million dollars seventy percent like bitching tax and stop just stop stop stop stop stop just because someone works really hard you can't take all of it look stop people from stealing money stop people from but if you if people say well we wanted quality of outcome okay as soon as we get equality of effort talk to me yes as soon as we get because some people don't hustle they just don't and i don't know why maybe it's the way they're raised maybe they have poor nutrition maybe they have hookworm i don't know what the it is but don't say that everybody's supposed to hit the right spot yeah everyone's gonna get to this spot and then after that spot we're gonna divvy up all the

126:18money so nobody ever makes more than a hundred thousand dollars a year and the world's a better place that doesn't make the world better no that makes lazy people happy yeah that some juggernaut like mark cuban or one of these billionaire characters is like hustling constantly and gathering up massive resources yeah he's playing the game of monopoly but he's playing it 24 hours a day seven days a week that's his option he can do that you can't stop people from doing that what you can stop them is from doing injust things with that money and what maybe you can do is like help someone like lean towards like a bill gates type situation where he does so much good and so much charitable work and helps out so many people that you go oh well maybe it's not a bad thing for a guy like that to have all that money because you don't have to think of him as just mr money bags like

127:02maybe you think of him as he does have access to all this money but he's also this incredible resource for hope and change and and prosperity for some folks i think i think like i think people wouldn't mind giving money to something that they see being built like if there's work into it right people hate the idea of just giving money and not seeing something from it sure you know but when you've been giving it to people that don't know what the to do with it and they're just going to find a use for it because that's what bureaucracy is yeah i don't know man no no i don't know joe we just i don't know either but i do know that it's fashionable to say it sucks it's fashionable to say everything sucks well it's it's easy to say that but like you said but i i really think it starts with if the government is not on the same page and they're always fighting you can't you can't move forward

127:58all this great stuff you're saying can't move forward because it starts from the top joe that's true but it starts from the top what's interesting is one of the things that's cool about the government fighting is you get to see that like even the president can't do the things that he wants yes he has to consult with people and they have to agree on something and it has to be reasonable and they have to present it to the american people and so the people have to represent their constituents and so you're seeing this really fascinating thing because you've never had a guy like trump in office before so you see him say he's going to do things and then you see the rest doesn't happen the you are yeah the you are and then you watch this stalemate you watch this this go down and you watch these people being forced to negotiate and the way trump is forced to talk about nancy

128:39pelosi because she has so much power you know you know he wants to call her a oh yeah he wants to call her an old witch like the out of him but he has to pay the respect because he knows now she golf claps right in his face she's like using this man i it's so fun to watch it's so fun to watch right now it is a fun time man and what social media being so big how do you how do you deal with people like the the haters because there's so many people i call them thumb thugs but how do you deal you just they're they're hating in the dark i don't know what they're doing you don't read all those comments i don't read anymore man yeah i very very rarely go into mentions if i do it's usually a mistake i just i just do my best yeah i do my best i post and i go i post and ghost you don't even look at people's feeds do you no i look at some people's feedback on instagram

129:28when i'm bored yeah you know i'll read some things you know i want to look at some cool pictures i watch some inspirational i like going to the rocks seeing them lifting weights pumped up i want to go to the gym the rock is let me tell you i d fletcher i interviewed the rock the first time i met him was like 11 years ago during the game plan and we just hit it off right game playing the game plan that's where he played a quarterback he was a lot thinner oh here's his first breakout movie okay that put he did scorpion and then the game plan and after that interview uh he took some time and just talked to me he wasn't the rock then i mean and then over the years every time i interviewed him he would pull me aside and go are you going to my acting coach are you doing this are you doing that is there anything i can help you with and i'm like what like and then he got

130:12bigger and bigger and the last time i saw him same thing yo are you doing are you going to the acting coach are you working on your goals are you improving like literally his instagram but in real life and i'm and it's and he'll never know this but it's a thing that's for me just average shmo michael yo to take the time out every time i interview them to ask me if i'm achieving my goals if i'm moving forward in life giving me positive things positive thoughts to take that time like five minutes after every interview and this dude is booked non-stop but to actually take time and it's just so inspirational and to see him be the biggest movie star in the world and he knows everybody's name he's very respectful i don't know if he has an earpiece but like it's like he's like the president when he was he knows everybody's name he could be president he could oh 100 100 100 he

131:03could be president he could perform i would too because he beli he's just a heart also comes from humble beginnings yes i mean he's in hawaii right now and he's filming on his instagram he's talking about all the neighborhoods that he goes back to to check to see where he was where he's from when he was poor and starving yeah you know i mean he really is from humble beginnings i mean he he had only like you know it's the story like five dollars left in his account and then he got discovered in wrestling and i knew him in miami when he was doing wwe i interviewed him a couple times over there and and he played for the university of miami my favorite college football team so it's a thing where you know the history of 11 years but for him that big to take time to motivate me separately and you know i know if he sees me out he knows my name but it's not like i'm texting i'm not like kevin

131:51hart with him and just to be a random dude that he takes time out every time he sees me to make sure i'm hitting my goals and moving forward with my career and not back and then offering hey if you ever need anything get in touch with me you know i would never take him up on that but it's a thing where i'm nobody he's the rock and to be that inspiration i mean it just does so much man like it it it little things that big celebrities do or somebody that really inspires you like they don't know how much that means like it's just some just that little time he spends so much i think he does know i think he's a genuine leader he is you know that's 100 i think that's why so many people like him because what he says is it's authentic like it's really who he is there is nothing fake about that man you don't have to be fake you just have to be successful and if you want to work

132:41as hard as that guy you could be successful i i i asked one day i was like did you just take a bunch of pictures at the gym like and just post throughout the day because you don't get that big from taking pictures no man that guy's picking heavy up that's too big but you know what i left that's just too big joe it's not too big for him no but he's an action star dude and he's the first action star that looks like an actor like i would want him to save my life in real life wow he's what is he like six seven or something like that he's he's he's giant he's a little bit taller than me he's giant yeah he's giant he's built like a like a legitimate superhero like will smith was my guy but i left will smith for the ride you left him no no no i still he's still before no i didn't no no but like like you got to do what you got to do a burning building a burning building who's going to save you

133:29who's going to save you well smithfield save you too aliens coming at you uh independence day did you not see will smith save the world your look i love will smith but an earthquake an earthquake well if you want someone to hold one hand on the top of a building thank you and then hold your wrist with another and know that he's got you according to the movie poster that's the rock see i never saw will smith holding the top of a building will smith could shoot a gun by the hand well smith can shoot a gun those zombies he did i am legend oh man what a great movie oh my goodness great movie god yeah but will smith and the rock need to make a movie together they don't have several no that would be amazing that would be the biggest movie in the history of the history and they both tom cruise get them all together tom cruise will smith and the rock have you ever interviewed tom

134:25cruise uh no but only with my brain when i'm in my sensory deprivation tank he reaches out to me does he really makes a mind meld yeah he puts on his uh scientology ear buds any uh astral travels can i tell you it's amazing interview time cruise what's amazing about it it's it's because you hear so many different stories do you wake up with your pants off no i didn't no not not that time where am i he hypnotized me but he doesn't break eye contact with you that's what i like no he just like hey what's up yeah yeah and what he'll do is like get nervous no i'm not no no no no no no no that's what he's doing he's making you nervous well or he's just wants you to know he's like he's locked in right like he will not break eye contact like if you look over he'll be like probably makes it harder for you to ask up questions no what he does and i tell all my friends

135:15i tell all my friends when you interview tom cruise he will take ask him a question he'll try to make it three minutes long so he doesn't have you can't ask him that many so you got to learn you got to build a relationship with him so then you can ask him a bunch see i've interviewed him so many times i'll walk i remember one time i walked in the room i was like hey tom i got five minutes so we're gonna have to answer these questions so i got to that point but he he's a great nice guy did you ever get the scientology no never is that part of the deal you can't ask him about that well i i heard a part of scientology is for you to walk out the room saying how great they are and i just did sense i just did it right yeah so maybe it works it did it just well that's just a philosophy on like how to influence people right yeah positively influence people you want those people really

136:02thinking the best of you well good strategy well everybody was like oh he's crazy as this is that every time i interview he's great i love i mean i love tom cruise some of my favorite people are crazy yeah yeah you tell me someone's crazy that doesn't shake me i'm not like okay well everybody talks to them they're crazy my favorite people are all crazy yeah like literally crazy my favorite people so if someone tells me that someone's crazy i'm like okay what else you got it's crazy not scary to me like will smith is awesome he's got to be crazy will smith sure no no something's going on too nice two nights too smart no just get out of here no is he a scientologist i have no idea the problem is when i the problem i the problem i had dude the problem i have with being an entertainment reporter man they give you questions to ask and you have to ask them or literally it could be your job

136:56so they float out like a bunch of real dumb ones do they give you any room to like oh yeah you could do whatever you want but they'll be like hey you gotta ask this question and it's like if somebody just got divorced you gotta be like hey right what happened to divorce damn oh and it sucks you gotta ask women that yeah that's why i stopped doing it man i couldn't one time uh what's her name uh anna oh god what's her name uh shoot she was in devils where prada not meryl streep but and anne hathaway so they gave me the dumbest question to ask anna hathaway kim kardashian and kanye west were on the cover of vogue and right before that it was anne hathaway and so they told me they go hey why don't you ask her what she thinks about the cover because everybody was like oh this is bullcrap that kim kardashian i asked anne hathaway that question and she goes well you know i don't run the

137:49magazine so it really doesn't matter to me like fine so i finished the question i'm walking down the stairs and go then i hear it she goes why the would he ask me that question i don't give a who's on that magazine and i was about to turn back around because i kind of got mad but now i was like man she's right that was a dumb ass question well maybe you could say i'm sorry they made me ask you that question no it was too late man it was too late yeah that's a problem i just feel so stupid some producers like winding you up like a little robot click click click get out there ask the questions don't ask yeah oh they get so trouble oh yeah yeah they threaten your job with it well that's why those shows are always so canned you know when you have people talking to entertainers and everything's so canned it just seems so inauthentic like they wanted me to ask my first

138:34interview ever was with jennifer aniston and marley and me and this is right after she broke up with brad pitt they want you to ask about brad pitt they wanted me to ask about brad pitt and i was like no i can't do that did you tell him no no i no it's my first gig so you had to so no i didn't so i said what if i figure out a different way to ask so i found so what i they're like whatever you get we need a clip you know and this was when i was at e entertainment and this is my first big shoot ever jennifer aniston and they were like you're going to go out there so it was marley and me so she just broke up with brad pitt so i go uh since the movie's about a dog i go what's the uh what's the um what's the uh similarities between a dog and a man and she laughs and gives a great answer about you know one will be around but a dog is always forever you know like men

139:29can treat you wrong so i got a great answer from it and i didn't have to ask about brad pitt and that's the thing is if you find a smart way to ask it you can ask it but they just sometimes want you to be just so brutal it's it's i can't well it's because they don't have to do it and they don't keep the relationships exactly and they just don't they don't even care about you you're a little trained person that they send out a little monkey hey person little person listen to me little person you have to listen the person who signs the paper yeah gets to send you off and give you a little direction oh it's the grossest i mean it was amazing because i got to build relationships with people but like good for you for recognizing it oh 100 100 i knew they were doing it so once you i mean not even that but like recognize you got to get out of that oh 100 it's i i my soul couldn't do i couldn't

140:21i couldn't ask people about them breaking up or something tragic happening in their lives like how are you doing now is like run into some of them tmz dudes that feel bad i'm like look bro i feel bad too but i'm not talking to you like this yeah there's nothing good ever comes out of these like there's no disrespect to you i know you're doing a job i'd probably do the same job if i was in your place or probably if i was a kid when i was a kid if tmz was around i'd take that job yeah what we're going to do just try to ask some famous dude a funny question but it's just like it's not the way to discuss things no do we discuss things when you're coming out of the airport or you're on your way to a restaurant somewhere and someone sticks a camera in your face like come on well i i wasn't doing that i was i was we were going to junkies no no we're talking about tmz yeah yeah like but i

141:03mean there's these these junkets are a brutal assault on reality you're saying the same thing over and over and over again you're asking this everyone asks you the same question you know so tell us about this show yeah michael you play uh you play michael yo which is your real name this is crazy oh by the way write this down okay michael yo average smo that's your your first comedy special you're going to call it michael yo average michael yo average smoke because that's what you said when you're talking about the rock yeah it's like you like average yo average small so that would be my second one oh that's right you already have one i just came out with it yeah and when did it come out uh it on amazon prime it's free came out two and a half weeks ago oh it's called blasian blasian because i'm black in asia i get it yeah tiger would say something like that no

141:54he said he's cub blaze and went on oprah and told her told her she wasn't he wasn't black and black people got so that's a tough one to swallow well i tell you what's tougher is i was up for a job it is a very prominent black producer told me i wasn't black enough for the job hold on there's tanning booths close by i'll be back in four days and it'll rock your world because dude like if you go to like a tanning booth every day i could not get black you would get dark dark but i wouldn't get black i can get dark you could get dark but not black you couldn't get black well what do they want what they wanted for black like wesley snipes like yes no disrespect no disrespect but i i guess they said but i think it was more than just skin color but they wanted a certain there was a certain role yeah they wanted like i don't like when you see me you don't think oh straight up black dude

142:51right right yeah right yeah you know so i wanted something for me that's the thing man look if you're making a story and you want these characters in the story like say if you have some big goon who terrorizes people you can't get kevin hart to play that role that doesn't make any sense no that's where the rock comes in right he's a big giant dude you know i'm saying like i love him everybody has to have you know that's the weird thing about acting too is like man you gotta hope somebody has something that you would do good in you know like you have to always hope that someone's got a project that you could slot into that project yeah or you just gotta create your own yeah that's true the best is billy bob thornton that's sling blade thing yeah do you know what he did with there no he apparently he was like working on some movie like he had some part and some movie

143:39and uh he was like super depressed and started doing this character you know does that character from slinky and then would do it in the mirror and and practice it and decided to make a whole movie about it and that movie launched him like was his own idea well i mean it's kind of like what you're doing you just decided to do your own thing and now you control your own destiny that's where we all need to get to like honestly this you know i what i love about comedy right now is i like joe coy was my mentors and he's blown up in comedy you know so i see people like you joe and you know uh bill burr and just theo vaughn who took me out my very first time doing comedy ever did it really yeah madison wisconsin you know at uh i think it's called state on six or six on state that's the first time you ever got paid that's the first time i ever got paid and he's the first

144:31person to ever take me out absolutely and i remember we landed he goes you're not you're gonna see grown men eating cheese like like sharing bags of cheese as soon as we got off the plane literally two men on a bench sharing a bag of cheese and he was like i told you like it was very weird so but it is weird the culture of cheese in wisconsin anyway it's so you're they're making now now theo's blowing up like you're making your own path and i think with comedy now is the time where people can make their own path and control their own destiny and get paid really well i mean just go to comedy store and look at the parking lot now well it's what it is now is you're not dependent upon networks anymore yeah the networks that we've created or what i always like to refer to as an organic network like there's a network of friends like when you're talking about bill burr or tom segura ori shafir

145:25whoever these people are crystally all these like really successful popular comedians right now theo and so and so and so andrew santino these guys are all we're all friends with each other yeah and everyone knows like if someone says this guy is funny you're like well listen to the guys who are telling you these guys are all hilarious they know who the funny people are they know what the pretenders are too yeah they don't talk about them and they avoid them uh-huh and then you know who the funny people are and you just it's an organic network like there's no paperwork but everybody helps everybody and one of the beautiful things about it is no one's fighting for scraps anymore it's not like there's tv shows and there's only like if you and me are in the audition room and we're friends but we're both auditioning for the same role like i don't really wish you very well yeah i hope i might

146:09with you i'm like dude you're sweating what are you doing look nervous you okay it's an easy gig right you're not nervous about that right you're gonna go in there and perform so you're not eating each other you're not eating each other you're not you're not scratching and clawing for scraps everybody can support each other because first of all there's thousands of places to perform just in this country yeah thousands and there's not only a certain amount of comedians like there's plenty of room for everybody well what i love about uh like all you guys doing the podcast and blowing up it's jason siegel i used to interview him a lot when he was making movies and stuff and he said the thing about judd apatow is after freaks and geeks judd basically made his own network you know james franco and those guys and they supported each other no matter what and i see that same thing

146:58happening now and it's good with comedians like comedians are pairing up and saying this is our group and if you're funny you're funny and let's let's watch each other's back instead of competing it's now like for you know i've only been in it nine years you know i know you've been in a lot longer but my nine years i saw at the beginning a lot of hate and now i'm seeing people like now jump on each other's podcasts and actually encourage each other and push each other which i think is a great shift for comedy right now well that's the big difference between podcasts and radio because radio guys always hated other radio guys yeah they always thought of other radio guys like i want that morning spot and this guy's going to try to steal it from me and he's on oh he's across town him yeah podcasts don't do that we we get on each other's podcasts and we support each

147:43other's podcast it's like there's plenty of people man this this famine mentality is what everybody up it is but that's what hollywood puts out there you know it's just the circumstances it's not like it's an organized effort no it's not there this famine mentality it's just that this there was a like we were talking about earlier like if you're an actor you've got to hope somebody's got something that you fit into yeah so all the other dudes that are like you man you're competing against them and then you know you hear some james franco type dude got the role you're like of course yeah he's famous i can't i'm never gonna catch a break and this is the this is the feeling that a lot of like really depressed actors have well it's interesting because i was up for this huge hosting gig like last year and looked like i was gonna get it and then the night before they say oh we gave it to this

148:29bigger guy like he was a celebrity his name no i won't say his name no no no no spell it out nope nope just write it down no make it rhyme no no no no no you know me joe i'm very safe i'm very safe joe i'm still trying to make it like you and you gotta and then my agent goes you don't sound upset i was like no because the way i'm wired is i need to get to that level where i'm getting jobs i don't deserve you know what i mean so you're saying he doesn't deserve it i see why you wouldn't say his name no so you're playing it safe but you're not because he knows who he is no and he's out there listening but when they say you're better than you're better in the audition to him you did this better he said about you no no that's what they're telling me but your agents are telling you no no no no the casting people are telling me this and then but i don't try to you no no no no i'm positive

149:20i'm positive so when i get to that point i'm just like i reversed it i was like dude when you get to a certain level you get you don't necessarily he probably didn't even know he was going out for the show they were like hey we got a new contract and we heard you could do it you know what i mean yeah maybe but that's this industry once you get to a certain point you get gigs you start getting things once your podcast blew up you can people send you stuff you know and that's how this whole thing works and so my mentality is i need to get to that point right where people start giving me things and that means working harder okay great working harder building my brand doing stand-up i'll do that don't ever say building your brand don't say that ever again building my brand don't do it don't okay don't okay that's some nonsense talk that they throw around brand you're building your

150:06brand man hey dude i really love what you're doing with your brand that's like a hollywood thing that they say yeah yeah yeah i love what you're doing with your brand ew the yeah you don't think a brand is real well brands are real like yeah uh i'm wearing uh converse sneakers those are real but see to me when i hear actually i'm wearing under armour yeah i lied the rock you're always supporting this campaign my buddy campaign sent me these look at that i wear them they're nice wait a minute i like them no no no but but like when i you're probably even bragging but your your podcast is a brand i don't think of it that way really well but it is yeah why don't you think about it joe rogan experience is a brand but building my brand like literally there's zero thought of that okay gotcha you know you're just doing you i just just do what i want to do hey man just

150:57be yourself you should just be yourself it's possible you're like i am absolutely just doing that you know i'm just really lucky that there's a slot right like that i have interests that are like that i can act like like the fact that i do stand up comedy i also do cage fighting commentary yeah like that's not supposed to exist right but you created it but it exists because there's a slot i got lucky that there was a slot there you know that this exists this sport exists and i have an understanding of it and a deep appreciation for it and then the comedy exists too and i like that too like you don't have to do comedy nobody has to do comedy but for me it's like oh like you could do that but isn't it amazing like when like what i'll be honest with you when i came on i was like oh my god this is such a big show it's a huge show people get nervous i talk to a lot of people that come on

151:45the first time people get nervous coming to the show but that's why we got all that booze over there now yeah but what's amazing is do you ever think about like if somebody's on your show literally whatever they're selling or like you'll get somebody on this show that becomes a regular and now they're selling out all across the country and that's pretty amazing the power of that you hold you know what i mean which is great which is great which blows me away that you know like the last time i saw that uh i remember you know i was at chelsea lately at the beginning of it and when that show was at its peak i say chelsea lately chelsea handler was the american idol of comedy if you were on that show i didn't even do stand-up like literally i was three months in uh i would bring five comedians and do like 15 minutes in between everybody and bring and sell out shows

152:32because i was on that that's how much power like she brought comedians that were retired back she brought and that was the first time i saw like one show could be so powerful in a niche audience where if you love comedy you're gonna sell out all these people's shows while it's hot and now it seems like this shows that like comedians come on here and they're just selling out all over the place and that's that's a tribute to you man and your audience how they're so passionate about you and i'm not here to kiss your ass but well it's just not not bullshitting people and not having people on it suck yeah like doing your bet like i try to go after like to get guys on i like guys that i don't know yeah hear about them you know like andrew schultz or tim dillon i hear about these guys from new york and people tell me hey you gotta see this guy this guy's funny joe list

153:19yeah a lot of people told me get these guys on and you know look i'm uh whatever i can do to support comedy i'm a fan i'm a fan of comedy i love it even if i was never doing it even i've decided right now i don't ever want to tell jokes on stage ever again i will always watch i love it i love stand up i always love stand up so if i can do something to help stand up and helps comedians be successful and it helps encourage more people to try it because i think there's thousands and thousands of uh just unexplored stand-ups across the country they just never take a chance never do it never have anybody encourage them never think about about doing it have you ever been on say i i think it's a superpower i really do because your senses are so high i've never been in a situation where when you're on stage you're saying your act you're thinking about something else you're hearing

154:13conversations like like you're hearing a waitress take an order and you're noticing what people are doing like it's almost like an out of body experience like i in i can't think of any other normal time throughout the day that would ever happen where it's pretty amazing what your mind can do when you're on stage well you have to train it oh yeah i mean that's one of the reasons why i have to do so much stand up yeah like even for me after 30 years of doing it i still have to do stand up four days a week i do stand up four days oh yeah if i don't do stand-up four weeks or if i take a week off that's fine nothing wrong with the way i'll take a month off nothing wrong with that but understand that when it's time to roll again we're going four days a week we're going to do two three shows a night you're gonna go tuesday wednesday thursday friday or you're gonna do wednesday thursday

155:02friday saturday that's what you're doing and that's the only way to do it because if you don't do it that way and you don't do three sets a night two sets a night four sets a night if you don't do that you never stay you got to get laser beam sharp and the only way to get that that honed samurai sword edge you got to constantly be doing it it's you that thing that you're doing where you're talking about hearing all these things but concentrating on what you're saying and being in the moment the most critical because they know when you're not in the moment yeah they somehow another know when you're you could say the same words with the same inflection and it won't work oh that's what's amazing about it though that's what i love about it i love how you could do two sets in a night and get a totally different reaction it's so exciting yeah i was talking to darnell rollins he was

155:49like he was talking about one night he had a great set and the next one he didn't have too good of a set he says i went to a grocery store and got on the mic just to get a laugh you know i just needed that he's like i needed to get on a mic i needed to get one last because you can't go to bed on a bad show donnell is amazing on podcasts i try to talk him into doing a podcast oh he would be so good he's starting it he's already got a logo he's got it he's calls it too soon with donald we're always cause half his is too soon he is so funny manny he's such a good dude too just like a good dude you know who's who's who's a person that that i i know you're so established now you got your crowd but who's a person that like after they go on you're like oh i gotta bring it is that still that for you but because your crowd is so think about it with everybody but i don't think about

156:41it in terms like oh i like comedy this is the key to following people yeah like comedy enjoy it go on stage happy like you're laughing and then do your stuff because it's you're working on it anyway it's good right if you if you take enough time and enough effort enough care on your craft and put together an act that's good the people are going to enjoy it so don't worry yeah enjoy like if you like that's why i brought joey diaz on the road with me for so many years because i knew that he was just gonna erupt that place and by the way but when i went on stage they were already already in a great mood they're all laughing they're laughing hard this the keys just everybody should have a good time man everybody including your opening act in the middle of act you want murderers to go on in front absolutely i i you know like the comics i bring aren't as well known yet but leo

157:30flowers nick guerra orlando labor but i tell you any room they crush they crush in there's only one way for great comics to get great it's like playing all the guys see them they got to see them absolutely there's a lot of guys out there that people just haven't seen but they're good and i love coming in after energy what about what about the first time you went after a big comic when you were first starting and you did well and it kind of blew you away i don't even know when that happened i ate for so many years that's all i remember yeah i remember eating after everyone good i didn't have one good set for like mitzi used to set me up too she would do it on purpose um she would put you like one four spot in my 20s i was um young little cutie face and i would go on after murderers yeah like martin lawrence when he was in his prime oh my god dude when he was wearing

158:20leather jumpsuits on stage leather shirts merc in the room i mean merc in the room where people are falling out of chairs and throwing drinks at each other they couldn't even handle it martin lawrence was like church sin it was like a church he was an assassin man i'm telling you people forgot how good he was for a few years there was a few years where martin lawrence was nuking crowds just like boom yeah and i would get on after him and literally people just three quarters of the audience would get up and walk when he was off they were done they were done they were ready to go home they were they were they were crying they were holding their body like oh jesus and then i would get on say some nonsense people like let's get the out of it let's go eat and they would just leave and that was um the reality of my time at the comedy store where mitzi would she wanted you to know you ain't

159:09yeah don't get crazy and you gotta figure out how the can you go on after all these murderers well when did you figure it out it took a long time yeah i don't know when i came here i was only six years into comedy so i really i didn't have any seasoning i was really like a scrub you know i was like i had some material i had like i could do an hour on the road but it was half it was yeah i was trying to figure it out but i had a few good bits but they weren't good enough and i didn't have the confidence to go on after a martin lawrence or a dice clay or anybody who was really good you know anybody who was really famous i would get nervous like jesus you know but that's that but through that i figured out a way to do it you know i figured out a way like okay i have to figure out a way to grab people and let them know that i know the situation yep like oh this unknown loser has

159:56to follow martin lawrence what a thrill what a thrill for me watching everybody get up and so i developed material for like bombing like like inevitable bombing and recognizing the bombing and addressing it with all the rest of the audience and then people started laughing you know like uh i had a foul prior for five weeks in a row when he was at the comedy store at the comedy store when he was really sick and um uh the late great marilyn martinez her husband um and chewie who was the door guy at the comment store used to help richard pryor to the stage and it would take forever because they would walk him because you know it's yeah losing control of his body and um they sat him down and they would crank the microphone up to like as loud as it go so it's like he would hear the feedback like and he would drink what he probably wasn't supposed to be doing because he

160:46was on medication just drinking and just just talking and uh a lot of it was really sad because you realize like wow this is the greatest comic of our time i mean yeah he's on the wall here in the studio yeah i mean he's uh if he's not the greatest ever he's certainly in the conversation it's like who's the greatest i don't know but there's a handful of like super important pioneers there's lenny bruce and there's richard pryor those are the two top in my opinion those are the ones that are the most important for the art form this is obviously george carlin and kennison and he'd go down the line and nady murphy who we're talking about before the show too still to this day i think it was one of the all-time greats well like i was telling you before i i got a chance to talk to eddie like two years ago he came out with a serious movie more dramatic i forgot i

161:29forgot the name of it but it was really good and i asked him you know being a comment i was like why haven't you shot another special and he goes i have to put too much of my personal life in it and i'm not ready to do that yet and it kind of hit me where you know if you go back and listen to his comment he talked about his real life he talked about his parents he did a lot of what richard pryor did yeah you know he's very personal and you gotta remember eddie murphy a lot's gone on in his life over the last 15 20 years and i think if he didn't address things when he hit the stage people go why didn't he talk about that where chris rock and kevin hart they will address whatever story is out about them and go full steam ahead and i think eddie murphy probably respects the craft too much where he's like i can't do it halfway if i if i'm not going to do 100

162:16i'm not going to do it that's what i took from that conversation from him that makes sense and also just think about it he has two of the best specials probably ever made back like the two biggest where everybody still knows good and google like people still can say that's a vibe you know like people still quote those two no i'm looking at you yeah look he's a he's an all-time great even if he never does a joke again but he's still got it that's what's crazy 100 god did you ever see that thing that he did where he was roasting bill cosby when he took away his uh honorary degree yes dude his timing was sharp like you were like oh my god he could go do stand up right now but the pressure of that because he has two specials it's kind of like i compared to dr dre after dr dre made the crown a day i always say oh he's gonna come out with another one and then it got to a point

163:03where how do you back up i mean the greatness of those two specials i mean it's a lot to live up to not saying he ever couldn't but people are always going to say man you remember delirious and raw i wish she was like that you know and i think that's the fear maybe i mean you could make that argument about a lot of guys that did keep going you know you can get that argument a lot of guys but those guys that kept going have a delirious raw you know like two that were that like i remember first time going to a movie theater to see a stand-up comedy special two times delirious and raw like who does that kevin hart does it but like that's your that was my first oh my god eddie murphy yeah on the big screen and those are locked in the history of time people are going to know those two stand-up specials for raw for sure delirious i think was on hbo wasn't it i

163:55don't remember was ralph i i think delirious was underneath it i think it was an hbo special all i remember and i think raw was in the movie rob okay so rob was in movies but it's a kid like me going to the movies to see it and he was so big at the time and just to follow those up that might have been part of the problem with him too he might have got too big that happens to certain comedians like that happened to steve martin yeah you know steve martin talked about that uh-huh i mean i don't think either one of us is ever going to understand how famous eddie murphy is like what it's like to be eddie murphy at that time no i mean now man yeah people see him and they get weirded out i got weirded out when i met him they put it in theaters four years after they're on hbo delirious yeah i did see it in theaters yeah um a dice clay had an hbo or a movie theater uh film um he did um he did a

164:43misread that oh it didn't um dice clay had a movie theater one uh gabriel glacis has done one that's been in the movies of course kevin hart has um there's been a few guys have done them in the movies but yeah but i remember like you know kevin hearts was great everybody but i for some reason maybe because i was a kid it was so big to me but it to me it was like an event yeah you know i'm older now i'll go to see kevin hart in a movie theater but when i was a kid stand-up was an event i like that yeah because you're hearing curse words and you know you're hearing all these you're to this day still reciting stuff from and that's a lot of comedy specials you don't know the words 30 years later yeah well i the first special i ever saw for sure was richard pryor live in the sunset's trip i thought my parents took me to see it you were there yeah no no no no no watch

165:38it in the movie theater oh okay okay now i was watching in the movie theater my parents took me and i couldn't believe it like i had never seen anything that funny i couldn't imagine it it's so hard today for on anyone to understand what it was like to hear that stuff back in what i was at 79 or something when was uh when was live on the sunset's trip to that bear joke how about the fire yeah fire is inspirational he was doing jokes about burning himself and we were crying laughing same year's delirious what year is it uh released in 83. was it really yeah live in the center because it's live taped in 82 really okay so yeah that makes sense he had to tape it twice no i wasn't thirteen sixteen what it was like eighty forty five three fifteen fifteen i was fifteen years old let's see i was i was nine so i saw i saw both of those movies and i remember i remember

166:36richard pryor i was like wow eddie and richard you could tell eddie studied richard because they had the same mannerisms they had a couple of the same jokes too just in a different way you know what i mean so it was kind of a thing where i fell in love with richard pryor because that was my first six but i was nine you know and i saw sunset strip and then i saw the documentary where he had to shoot it two nights in a row the first night he bombed and he told everybody to come back the next night and that's the one they shot wow yeah he shot uh he shot it two nights in a row first one he apologized to the crowd it wasn't going well and the second night he said y'all need to come back and uh we're gonna try this again and so why would he want the same crowd because he felt like he did a disservice to them but but that's so weird he brought back the same yes

167:25and he means he's sure that's true 100 it's in his documentary you don't believe it i believe it i mean that's what was in the documentary yeah but comic wouldn't want the same crowd to come back well here's the same material unless he stopped it short well no he didn't finish the show he didn't finish what's wrong with him he said he was just off like it was him it was him and he goes in and they were talking about the first like 15 minutes of the set or 20 minutes of the set did not go well and he just stopped it and said look i'm not bringing it tonight it's off y'all come back tomorrow night jesus christ and they kept the cameras and they shot it the next night and that's and that's what you have in 19 so in 1983 i was either 14 or 15 and uh here it is sorry it came out 82 this the 32 episodes okay so it was 82 that means i was 14. yeah i was eight yeah i was either 14 or

168:2215. which makes sense documentary this is a fun fact i definitely know it was pre for me see the film was edited most of his material he apologized to the audience and ended the show early leaving the audience angry prior pulled himself together and gave a much better performance the next night most of the footage in the film was from the second performance completely messed up his performance during the first filming of the show yeah but that doesn't say he brought the same audience back well in the documentaries they said well because it was only one show what do you mean they didn't shoot two show specials like they only tape one night well he said they filmed one and then they filmed it yeah he filmed it again the next night right so that crowd i mean how are you gonna they get a crowd he can get a crowd anywhere he i in the documentary it said he used

169:09the same character he told everybody because he felt so bad that he right right like he cares though that he just stopped the show he stopped the show he's like i guess i'm not strange yeah and he brought what the document says he brought the same crowd back the next night and he murdered it and that's what you saw yeah wow and i i still remember that i mean those two like uh raw delirious in the sunset strip live from forever it will stand out in my mind it's just it's just amazing and then like bill burr special the the black and white one it's like incredible incredible you know and i just i love watching comedy of people with jokes that i know i never could do like that's my whole thing you know i i don't like watching because i'm a family comedian so i never watched like family what does that mean to me i talk about family most of the time like

169:59you're you're i don't i don't curse that much how often you curse an hour show twice maybe what words you use yeah you ever say no no no hmm but i don't know a person in real life freaking this freaking guy do you ever say that no don't say freaking whatever you do frick that's more offensive to me than yeah oh no i just freaking guy it's not in my i'm sure i cursed a couple times in this pod but i don't it's not in my normal conversation like i i even when i'm hanging out with my dudes i i don't really curse that much yeah hmm i don't know and i'm sensitive yeah it's like it's a lot going on i have my kid i'm so sensitive man i don't know that did you change oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it changes the out of you we'll see some biological change and it's also like girls all girls it's also it's a recognition change like you you kind of understand life in a different perspective that i

170:59don't know if it's really available to you if you don't have children i don't think it is i just think it's i don't think everybody has to have kids i'm not one of those zealots that says if you don't have kids you're in i don't i think that's offensive i don't think that's what life's all about i think you can affect people in a very meaningful way never have kids and there's nothing wrong with that but i think for me at least for being the caveman that i am it's like it was very important for me to see these little girls grow up and become you know human beings that are interfacing with the world and getting an understanding of what that means and like realizing that if you can do just a little bit to make the world a slightly better place that could greatly affect all the people that your own children will come in contact with as well and they can actually affect other people and have

171:50those other people treat the world in a different way and treat people with more respect and be nicer to people and you can we could have a better world for everybody well your kids my kids everybody's kids the thing that struck me right away as soon as my son was born is i've never had the feeling of you i would as soon as i would die for him like as soon as i met him you know i would die for as soon as he touched me it's like a goddamn prince song ah you know but it's like princess gone too soon yeah what about that guy god you want to talk about a super powerful entertainer one of a kind human being i remember i was a kid i was delivering newspapers i was driving around and i was uh i listened to out of cassette of uh i want to be your lover which is like his first big hit and i was like holy listen to this guy like listen to this guy and the cover is

172:55just him with his long hair with no shirt on looking beautiful in the car what is he like what is going on here and i was almost you know because i was like 18 or something i was almost like turned off by the cover that's it right there oh yeah i was like this is just i'm not buying this he's just too beautiful he's he's dreaming look at that goddamn mustache i'm having weird feelings right now then i listened to i would uh you know i mean uh i listened to i want to be your lover and i was like god damn what an unusual dude did you see purple rain i'm sure yeah of course like that whole morris day apollonia like that i wanted to be prince i bought an overcoat just to wear a long overcoat so that some prince would wear were you too old for the michael jackson the the i had the thriller jacket no i didn't wear that i thought it was i thought the michael jackson thing was

173:41interesting because i thought he's obviously a stunning incredibly talented performer but he was so weird and so unrelatable in every way like so oddly feminine and childlike even though he's in his 30s it was baffling to me i was like i get that he's super talented and then when the plastic surgery started happening his face started changing and morphing i'm like this is just strange did you ever see either one in concert no no i never said i saw jefferson or prince i saw prince that was an amazing i had an opportunity to see prince at the hard rock cafe and i blew it the hard rock in vegas and i blew it i should have seen him i never thought he was gonna die yeah and that's i'm seeing everybody now yeah you should like tom petty is another one i never saw tom petty yeah i went to one of those print shows at the palladium like uh four years ago a random seven nights

174:34there wasn't anybody there there was maybe 500 people there really the whole floor was empty i don't know if why i don't know why i don't know if nobody knew or something they didn't announce it at the right time or didn't make it to twitter whatever it was i only heard because my friend worked there i only that's the only reason i knew well i think when we're looking at prince now we're looking at prince as like a a dead legend i mean he's a legend that's gone and we think of him as like god damn it he was so good he had so many great songs but i think back then people thought of him as an older guy that they would didn't really care as much about anymore who hasn't put out real relatively popular music yeah for quite a while he he turned into an artist i guess they could say where the music was just for himself and he wasn't really nothing new yeah right it wasn't any new

175:21smash hits no you know it's like there's some guys right that like one of the things that keeps kanye west relevant is that he's constantly putting out music yeah he constantly puts out stuff that people love he constantly puts stuff that smashes and some guys lose their enthusiasm for productivity yeah prefer being prolific they lose that and then they don't put out stuff anymore and then they become like rod stewart yeah like rod stewart i'd like to see rod stewart i'm a giant rod steward fan like when maggie may comes on the radio i get excited i love that goddamn song i love a lot of his music he was but how many tickets we sell right now yeah i'm saying will he sell out the staples center i don't think he would no you know you know when you i know you're still working on kanye coming on the show and it's not even though you're not okay i mean i would if

176:10he wants to do it but i don't want to put any pressure on anybody absolutely and i don't necessarily know that podcasts are the best place for someone for everybody it might not be the best place to just talk about but did you get better to just do music did you get to talk to him at least on the phone yeah i talked to him yeah yeah very nice guy let me tell you man he is so opposite his persona like on the outside like that you see in like in gossip magazines and on tv i i i used to host his donda west foundation uh event in chicago and a lot of people don't know the good he did in chicago if they had perfect attendance he would go there uh every year through a huge concert bringing like a common and all different type of chicago artists he would uh bust everybody in from all over the city and throw a free concert for all these kids that had uh perfect attendance and it

176:59was good to interview him that way because he s at that time at that time when his mom was still alive he was such a down down to earth humble guy and actually shy and shy like he was really shy so when and this was at the time i would see stories about him yelling at sway yeah and i'm like this is not the dude that i interviewed he's volatile yeah he goes all over the place yeah that's part of why he's such an explosive artist oh he's incredible incredible those guys those the people who think different remember that stupid apple ad think different yeah there's people that really do think different differently that's one of the problems with that apple ad it's an incorrect grammar but there's people out there that just have a different vibe they're they're on a different frequency they're a different wavelength they're the ones who create great man he has a gift i mean he is you know

177:53a lot of people outside go oh he's out there he's definitely out there he's out there yeah yeah but he's a genius yeah he is a genius he's doing something in a different way and that's uh that moves our culture along that's what it's like that's what when you're doing stand-up right like if you're if you're nailing something if you really lock down something and boom you put out a live on the sunset or a delirious or something like that you're changing culture you're you're making people people are gonna spread out in these ripples yeah they're gonna go to their job in the morning like we saw michael yo holy he does this joke about his cat and yeah whatever the it is whatever the joke is people be crying laughing and then there's ripples to that it's positive ripples you change things it's amazing that like when you do stand up like what i love about it is when i was just a host doing

178:42the entertainment shows i would go into castings and i go oh you're a host go ahead now being a comedian it's the most i will say that it's the most respected thing in our industry like i was honestly the most balls yeah i was on the set of modern family when the show was huge and the actors were like oh my god you do stand up how do you do that and they're on the biggest television show at that time modern family even actors respected so how castings have changed i go in now they go oh we saw you at the improv we saw you here or there and you can host this is amazing you know so just the respect you get from doing good comedy you know it it's it's better to me than a taylor swift on stage because she has a whole band she's having a bad night she can kind of like lip sync singer songs they have i just saw a quote it says michael yo says he's better than taylor swift and all she

179:33does is lip sync god damn him you know when he was on e he respected her and now that he's gone he's flip-flopped he's flipped he's flipped we gotta wrap this up dude we already hit three hours isn't that crazy stop three o'clock dude what the what the three hours three o'clock bro no way three o'clock goddamn time warp in this room dude mike leo that was a lot of fun brother well thank you so much thank you thank you man tell people how to find you on instagram twitter everything at michael yo that's why oh my special is streaming free on amazon prime right now right now go to it blaze everybody's got prime yeah everybody's got prime check it out man i would appreciate it thank you my friend that was fun i'm glad we did this dude me too man michael yo folks you