David Lee Roth

00:04four three two one and we're live mr roth as live as live we'll ever possibly get on the intergrid international good to see you man you really do look great you look healthy you look vibrant you look surprised no don't look so surprised i haven't been to sleep since the late 80s i didn't miss a thing but i'm a little groggy but i'm good to go in my job you expect just dissipation and illness right you know kind of goes along with you you expect a disintegration right in my kind of job and lemmy for motorhead style do you know the term wabasabi do you know what that is no wabasabi is a japanese term that succinctly put means that which is perfect because it's a little up oh right your favorite jeans very well yes like a patina on an old car the guitar player in the rolling stones very well wasabi yes yes he's very wabasavi yeah and in new york city for example the old

01:07that starts to fall apart right next to the new that's part of the beauty there your favorite leather jacket yeah is that can you expect that to increase but uh i don't know i'm not really an athlete i don't really train i'm kind of a singer who always traded a celebrity to you know hey show me how you do that and how many times should i lift this and uh what happens if i fall off of this going this fast but you used to train right you used to didn't you train with benny arkites oh yeah i went through uh martial arts the first time um let me go back okay i lived in student housing up until i was just about a teenager okay and it was a time when you bought one paintbrush at a time okay and most of my values come from that public library i learned to swim in a public swimming pool and my dad finished medical school okay i happened i wasn't planned in the 50s that happened a lot okay

02:06and uh so we had a lot a lot of patients who were kind of on the periphery of pasadena california which is where we came okay i was born in indiana lived in massachusetts he was a resident grew up around the hospitals dinner meant going to the hospital meet dad you know and when we came out to l.a the japanese were kind of peripheral spanish-speaking people curiously enough you know the running story was that there were six spanish-speaking people at ucla and three of them were in gardening no really that back in the 60s that was the case today easily you know massive amounts of percentages of hablo sufficient okay it's not the second language it's kind of the first and a half now right things have really changed a mental yeah and i grew up in those neighborhoods okay so i can gang sign the whole alphabet can you really yeah i have two low riders i've got i really do

03:06i got a 51 mercury that's chop drop low and slow do you drive it oh yeah i got a 66 vw bug with a chevy engine a 383 up in the front and i can blow my arms you got to roll your arms and say what are you driving those things no we drive them all around you know it's it's southern california of course is different a lot of you are listening in with five layers and going hey i'm not driving anywhere for the next three days according to the weather map you know but uh here for example it's t-shirt weather so you know the great outdoors means how's that sound over the headphones good sounds like uh like an engine yep yeah but i always trade the first time i ever we were just uh playing with a sword there and that's not a summarize sort that's like calling a nine millimeter a police gun yeah it kind of is because they used but that's a cut on huh right and we're

04:06playing with that a little bit first time somebody handed me those we were at the buddhist temple in pasadena 19 you bet i remember 1965. and there was a demonstration of the japanese culture thank you and uh fella came out and demonstrated ito and you know the sword arts and stuff and then he said i'm gonna take somebody from the audience and my dad pushed me and i walked out in the middle of that floor and held it you know here hold that sword just like you said wow that's what is that a 100 year old sword it's from the 1500s whammo muramachi or something like this first time i held that story it's like out of a graphic novel lightning in a zuma it's japanese for lightning careful what you show your kids joe well you went and lived in like last time i talked to you you were living in japan nice you were doing kendo over there yes uh well you pitch a ball

05:04someday i'm gonna play for the yankees joke i loves the wrestling grappling someday i'm going to get in the middle of the ring and joe rogan's going to say my name and i'm working my way up through ed parker's american kenpo system and someday i'm going to japan i'm going to learn from the guys who invented this stuff now i'm putting on a pork barrel accent to make it entertaining but it did and i started exactly like i did in barham boulevard making rock and roll with the mighty v mighty van halen in the late 70s at the oakwood garden apartments in midtown tokyo i did not know a single person i didn't know a syllable of japanese i had no idea where i was and no i can't drive on the left side of the street i barely carry a cell phone carrot come on and uh i suspect that a lifetime of adventure you do all the traveling come on artists to artists you're at home everywhere now

06:07aren't you yeah in a lot of ways you are the comfortable one in the room especially if there's conflict which there always is and that's what's the most unsettling to the to the tour is travelers you're at home when you first start learning japanese comes in three stages first you watch kids shows on television because they pronounce everything and nobody interrupts then you watch the news everybody speaks with a perfect accent bigger words nobody interrupts and then you start going with me to the movies in the middle of the day on tuesday in tokyo at ginza and you're the only pale face in the room it's all in japanese and it's the movies everybody's interrupting everybody's shooting screaming sirens airplanes going by and if you can begin to decipher even one character then you'll develop yours maybe why do you know how to write it well you practice that certainly and

07:06think of it as cross-training all right there are a lot of schools for example uh hebrew school you always hear about hebrew school before you go to bar mitzvah class it's an ancient way of wait a minute you got to develop the side of your brain by correlating designs with language with meaning that may not actually be in english nobody's walking around speaking hebrew after only four summers of whack but you develop that side of your brain to where you start to have a capacity to learn in an accelerated way so all your best musicians speak a couple languages one of your best politicians speak a couple all your best artists architects all your best uh design folks and stuff speak a couple of language it's no secret that you develop that side of your brain if your kids don't speak spanish get after it i gotta learn a language it's never too late you'll see the difference you don't

08:02i did every single day every i called it roth university in tokyo every morning uh two hours japanese class you know speaking the language i can get things done for you but i'm not conversant right you follow uh the end result is that it's cross-training hmm all right long-term memory my short-term memory is a little too short it gets shorter but you'll see the difference in your ability to remember what you read you'll start remembering everything you see sometimes that's dangerous because of the fact that you're learning this new thing so you're activating this part of your brain oh yeah you'll start it off with little kids in art class for example where you take a pencil and you go this is just a pencil but what else could it be well in this environment it's a stick shift no it's not it's a kubotan he's got joe's wrist no the little girls go it's a bow dad

09:04me i'm a hero i'll save the day and you can start to think in those terms using actual language movements same thing at this point in your career with jiu jitsu and grappling you have a vocabulary that starts to expand expand by having to learn and challenge and challenge people marvel at anthony bourdain god bless him one of his biggest talent was to be at home everywhere no matter what somebody might say or posture or present he was able to let it go by win later or no we'll duke it out right here and he had the capacity to stay cool in the middle of all of it so maybe it's stay cool school what do you think well he just had a fascinating mind for travel and food and culture and he just wanted to know everything about how these people thought about the world and saw things differently and if you i feel i kind of feel bad now for people that don't travel i really do i just i feel

10:04like you're missing so much of what a human being is travel is a little bit perhaps like music or looking at art on the wall you kind of have to have somebody teach you how to do it a little bit yeah it's like the fight game yeah yo you know you somebody could sit with you and and get really bored with technical boxing it might be the best you've ever seen and it's not a slugfest or a brawl and you have to explain well see some jazz some jazz brew yeah conor mcgregor's is brew arguably one of the small symbols it's all over the place and listen and some is very contained like the disc jockey's voice yeah some people very mechanized the jazz thing is a really good analogy because you're either into jazz or you're not into jazz and i i've never i like i like it as background music but i have a good friend my friend alonzo bowden is a jazz aficionado and he like hosts jazz tours

11:08and stuff and he's a stand-up comic so he'll do like comedy on these things and he just loves it i mean he like lives for it well i see the look on your face just because nobody taught you how to taste beer beer works in three parts and like it says in the pickwick papers you don't taste it with a sip we tasted you got a gulp you got a quaff you got a something and when you describe well there's the finish to the taste of a cuban cigar you mean when it's finished in the at no the finish okay somebody explained these things to me all right what's the difference between scotch whiskey and tennessee bourbon well there's an e in the word right and bourbon whiskey there's an e and there is no e in the word in whiskey for scotch okay that simple sort of starts it jazz music somebody explains it to you in very simple digestible not lofty necktie terms okay you begin to understand a

12:07little bit of what's going on how do you get how do you explain it okay how would you explain just i'm gonna i'll really tighten up for you excuse me wow at least i got my health going for me um we'll do it in the beatles style here's the best way to go for somebody new and interested the mccartney note and the lennon note okay the mccartney note is always kind of happy i've actually bumped into sir paul over at henson studios and he's really happy okay and uh his note will go hear how pretty that sounds sounds pretty i'll do it again lennon he's the salt in the caramel baby he's got there's a darkness there's an edge there's a shadow listen to the last three notes and there's a little darkness in one of those last three notes is where you get that little little bit of pepper in the chocolate and it's a little wistful it's a little melancholy and eat life like that and

13:27when you put them together it doesn't sound like they do but if i could i'd sing both parts and it goes together and you go wow bittersweet like my career like my last three rela and here we go so you kind of have to listen to jazz like you would taste wine okay the best for this thelonious monk you know yeah same thing the right hand is paul left hand's john and he's working these things he can't tell is it happy or sad right i don't know how was dinner last night same yet it is uh indicative if that's what's around you because it's not just happy that's disney it's not just sad you know think of something somebody who's uh always tuning his guitar to sad there are some folks who did yeah leonard cohen since past is what those that sounded more like bowie but i know what you mean got any tattoos yeah two sleeves yeah both my arms same here i know i

14:33rarely show yeah okay then maybe that's a baby boomer thing you have them from the elbow up yeah i'm uh this is all japanese style right traditional tap style did you yeah yeah all my colors were tapped in and in front is horayoshi i have the tuxedo damn you do yeah the whole butt cheeks and everything yeah the whole thing wow interpreter had to sit on me and hold me down i'm not going to kid you you know it was a trial yeah i would imagine yeah is it much more painful to do with that top top way no it's uh overall i think what happens is tattoo when you get something that stings you can take it for a while it's the distance that counts you can take the cold for 30 seconds you can take immeasurable cold are you doing the cryo dunk yeah i do that's okay boom you can take anything for 30 seconds right you're in showbiz but man try holding that out in front of you for 15 seconds

15:39kind of is that your suit yeah wow look at that so there's some photos of it up yeah because you never really do uh show your tattoos anywhere no it's not part of the show it's not part of but behind the scenes my mom who was an art teacher was the the the healing happy side of my family came from my dad i learned a box from mom really oh yeah bad dave like my sisters call it comes from sybil roth okay wow if you if you you competed for the magnet for the refrigerator okay and mom would be doing something and you'd come up with your new drawing and she'd say should i go get the magnet and not look at it wow and you would look and go you're right stay here yes i'm not kidding harsh yeah and then before you would look at it go just clean up your paint box you see your brushes okay discipline in the roth family yes and when i got my tuxedo first thing mom

16:52said was i really like the colors what do you do when you're outdoors playing ball okay and that's you know part of what compels what we're doing here i invented ink the original okay and this is a whole series of things that didn't exist before so products to protect your your tattoo oh yeah yeah i i just whenever i go anywhere outside i spray down with sunscreen and people are like why are you doing that that's like because i don't want my tattoos to fade away like i have artwork on my body you have a rembrandt on your body it's probably more expensive than the paint you have on your car driving a ranger series oh for sure yeah i'm serious yeah and you won't think twice about it right okay because it's forever all right forever i'm 64. doctor says uh 64 is the new 90 for me i don't believe it take my word for him a little farther down range than a lot

17:53of you i can tell you what i see from here you look great if you wait until you're 55 to start hitting the weight stack you will look like a 55 year old who trains three times a week right if you start when you're two digits old you'll fool them you'll fool them yeah and that's kind of the fun you just got to keep moving oh yeah you start way early when did you start the tattoos uh i got my first one in 1977. all right came back from a uh delirious uh trip to the west indies uh and a handful of folks uh that were camping out on the beach i'm a combat hippie okay peace love and heavy weapons in case you know they don't want to feel the love and uh camping commune style somewhere in the it was in martinique the west indies and we all came back got a seahorse on the uh on the ankle oh boy how feminine yeah and then from there i waited you know most uh today what's popular

19:02for example hispanic style you you use the badges placas you document something here here's a name here's something we got when we went on spring break here's something when we got married you build like a mural and uh i waited to do the whole thing in one sweep you know thinking in terms of playing so i waited until you know i was well past that i was celebrating my 60th birthday but i got about 300 hours in on it and uh i'm still outdoors i'm still bouncing around and there's nothing out there i've been climbing i started off at joshua tree and climbing out at tockets in the 70s didn't know how it wasn't alex just on the show okay well same circuit from camp 4 to studio 54. i was on i was in both i was flavor of the week the first time when studio 54 was the happeningist okay at the same time i had just bought a winnebago that looked like something from uh breaking bad

20:06it's the same winnebago i saw it i used to own that that was for nothing but going to yosemite really you know how al in the documentary is living in his van part of me always looks back at that it's wow sleeping in the back of bobby hatch's pickup truck parked out in the middle of nowhere in joshua tree 1973 and you would be climbing even back then oh yeah what kind of equipment did you guys use back then the same stuff to use today no not nothing like it we used webbing for our harnessing and you used uh 11 millimeter kern mantle or manila rope all right and i remember the first time in 1972 you'll see his name john bald as pioneering a lot of the routes in joshua tree first time we watched him as seniors in high school go flagging you know where you pressure with can you see this on the screen there where you pull with your hands and push with your feet go

21:08flagging all the way up the corner of a handball court at muir high school in pasadena all the way up to the top and then stood on the top and looked down showing incredible wow well nine incredible talents we've never seen such a thing and from that point uh you know we just floored it because living in uh up in yosemite in the various parts was something new traveling to joshua tree tackets down to the beaches and such that was a constant for me i've always tried to follow something as opposed to thinking of it as training even even the word training tastes like homework right so i've always tried to i i was running for a long period of time about seven years when i jogged and ran and i decided on the road i'll run across every bridge in america that we tour through so i probably 15 20 different bridges golden gate brooklyn that's where i ran now i did smoke a joint and run the new

22:16york city marathon and i came in right behind the wheelchairs in the back okay well some folks need the ribbon and they need to see the clock and everybody clapping and then there's some folks you know who just did okay and they had took down the clock but the line was still there on the cement in central park hopped over the line got the picture airborne went home took a nap and that night i went out and got drunk on tequila how long did it take you to finish the marathon about five and a half hours that's not bad that's very good it's better than burke crusher no no come on let's be complimentary it's the worst it's definitely the worst yes that's about the absolute worst did you what's the winner do it hour 20 i think they get it in around two hours like two hours in savage sack i think they're trying to break two hours isn't that what's going on yeah

23:08someone's trying to break two hours so but that's what i did for uh a period of time you know keep going kayaking you know so you just always been involved in physical activities that were fun in the early 90s kayaking was illegal in manhattan okay because it was dirty water and people would get trundled over under the ferry boats oh god so what we did is we cut a hole in the fence next to the 14th street sanitation department over by the uh west side highway you all know what i'm talking about if you're from there and we did it exactly like movie style like a great escape where we fitted the fence back with duct tape and we would drag our kayaks from union square west all the way down 14th street okay and you pick up your provisions for it all right you got to get uh your bagels you got to get jitters on the foot you know like this you gotta get something to drink get some gatorade you

24:08know not to drink the gatorade so you have something to whiz in serious and um we get the girlfriends okay to wait up is in the meat packing district right there it's dead silent it was a ghost town then it was not hip-hop it was not going which is what it's doing now right you know you go to shopping with your old idiot since della mccartney down there not been ghost town then it was great scary dangerous and one girlfriend would say i got to be careful of names they're all married now how did you manage it mine karen we'd always go north and wait around because if the cops come they would step out we would see them whatever and we would sneak our boats through the hole in the fence into the river right where sully landed his plane right there all right and then girls would come back jump in the boats and we would take off more than two or three times local pd would

25:10show up going hey what are you gonna touch that water back then no that was that was death inky black horror death like this did you ever dunk in it accidentally no not in not in that river particular but we started a number of the trips today you there's probably six different kayak clubs that you can do manhattan kayak club and brooklyn clock many many now the boomers with senses of humor figured it all out all right and we would go jesus we started trips we go at midnight under the verrazano bridge in the winter all right and you wear dry suits something you know you're uh long long john's inside of a dry suit like this and don't get me wrong i would be the dj i have um a tape player and i would bungee to take player like this and everybody would have this is primitive times you know it's 19 early 90s know like and we would have the little microphones and the

26:12earpieces that you use on motorcycles back then so you have communications from both about oh wow and i would put mine on the tape player and i'd be the dj oh yeah we listen to the ball game late at night sometimes you know when you hear laughing oh you couldn't see anybody in the swells and we go under the same bridge that john travolta sits and looks at with the girlfriend and saturday night fever same bridge you know that uh woody allen in manhattan looks at you know you ever wonder what's on the other side it's terrible imitation of either of them and we'd float under there full moon midnight february snow drifting like this and since it was illegal to do it we had a buddy who owned a plumbing company in brooklyn and he would bring his truck and park it right off of coney island near stillwell avenue where the ferris wheel is and he would blink his lights allied

27:06forces style blink blink like that and we'd be about a quarter mile off having come from under the verrazano bridge i wonder we'd see those lights blinking nowhere to turn left it started do you even want to hear this yes and and okay we'd have to make the left and we'd wait for the swells like give us another blink when all was clear and just beat ass all a quarter mile of row row row catch the wave get out of the boat and you know silently drag it all the way up the beach okay like you see in every war movie all right otherwise it's about i don't know 200 fine or something like this and we would put the boats big two-person kayaks into the back of the plumbing truck and onto the top of it drive it back to the coffee shop on union square west it's very well known like that and get drunk with pretty girls and tell them about adventure stories and all this was going on while you were

28:05you were air quotes david lee roth i mean this is the 90s you're huge you're still a rock star and you're going through polluted water in a kayak hiding from the cops with a tape player and a some sort of jury rigged microphone some of the best places that i went rock climbing uh we're on walls of hotels in europe we'd toss a toss a rope out the third floor of a bed and breakfast in san sebastian spain that's covered from flagstone with flagstone from the 1400s like that and then yo-yo you know one guy would stay up watch tv and work the belay and you climb up the outside you know jesus christ hardcore jollies and you were doing this all around the same time oh yeah i took my bicycles with me i mean outdoors is in the blood you know it's part of growing up without any real things my dad was a student so uh take this stick for you it'll be a bow and for me it'll be a baton

29:12when did you start working as an emt that was around the same time wasn't it emt was about 12 summers ago for me so i was turning 50. and i started going back to school for outdoor med response camping climbing what is it like when you go to one of those classes and they realize who you are how weird is a kid sometimes you can get a little bit uptight because i'm the oldest guy in the room okay and i want to clarify something okay when i became an emt shield number 327 466 47th precinct big shout out to all of you who taught me and tolerated me until i became an emt and put on that uniform i wasn't somebody somebody cleaned the truck up until i put on that uniform joe after training for how many months it's almost a year for me like this i wasn't someone someone clean up the truck and that was my job starting right off but uh i was also the somebody who dragged the

30:26oxygen box all 13 floors up in the edenwald projects and artist to artist how many times have you driven past something whether it's a huge building or a teepee i wonder what's in there um and then you go and i wonder what's in the refrigerator i wonder what they listen to in there and i wonder who they are i have a fascination for that my pop had a big sprawling i think is it simple empathy for people you know when the fellas started getting aids in the early 80s he started treating him he's an eye surgeon and everybody my sisters and stuff started saying but this is a time when you think you can catch that from breathing it popping whatever and he turned to me i'll never forget he said i don't get to choose my patients wow i don't get to choose my audience so what was the motivation to start doing that though let's go see what's in there refrigerator joe and you'll walk

31:32in first because you're way stronger than me in case there's trouble and you'll go ambulance and in case somebody comes at us you handle it oh i had a i had a mentor named keisha who had to pile her dreadlocks up so high that it was as long as from her shoulders to the top of her head her hair cut it was like she had to she put her hat up on top and keisha walked in that door first homie domestic disputes she dealt with the guys you had to be there for domestic support oh yeah oh those are the scariest very and you get an eye on your audience stops being an audience it starts being the neighborhood yeah and pretty soon you live in the neighborhood i was under the train once in the fulton street station talking to a homeless fella quick briefing act like nothing's wrong see if you can get them to come out hey you hungry train breathes okay subway became breathes it doesn't just sit there

32:41silently and you gotta go grilled cheese i'm laughing now but that's a nervous laugh yeah and now every one of those folks is in my voice when i sing oh i like that i like that thought process when you decided to do this was this a conscience a conscious effort to try to just enrich your experiences that's cross-training cross-training i'll give it the quick rationale and i also know it's going to change me don't know how but you got to get in it and after a certain point in your life maybe uh go where there is no shallow end challenge yourself as just as i move somewhere that's a foreign language you can't even read the street signs in japan for example um but you know you start off on the bunny slopes you don't surf 40 footers right away first you got to move to new york and go through that whole thing of what have i done but what's so what's the thought process

33:52when you're like i'm gonna be an emt i'm gonna study for a year i'm gonna train i'm gonna go out there and i'm gonna actually do it i okay sometimes when i go for a walk in the city my plan is just follow where the sun is beaming i get to an intersection the sun is on that far corner i'll cross over to that and then i'll look down the block and see where the sun is and i'll walk down the block and get into that part and you'll do a lot of this by yourself oh yeah i did the same thing with emt training geez my dad was a doctor the first thing merit badge i got as a boy scout was first aid i was that guy and i learned that for skinny guy like me real power probably came from being cool when everybody else is going yeah because my dad had to do that right i assisted him in surgeries at a very early age did you know oh yeah and you know and stuff that made everybody else

34:53like this pop good i have a good ambulance voice you want to hear it let me do that okay you're gonna be just fine can you imagine though being in an ambulance you look up and it's david lee roth telling you you're gonna be okay you're like oh i'm dead i must be dead i only twice has that actually happened because i only worked in the hood i only worked around it at night i only worked you know you would never expect to see me once was after oz festival football stadium yeah yeah some poor kid was uh you know uh drank too much or whatever and he was out of sorts and you know in the corner somebody phoned him in from the local liquor store and uh you could see the disbelief in his face you know when i leaned over yeah and said to him you're gonna be just fine like this is like the lyrics of an aussie song come to life yeah oh yeah you're bad so you know but beyond that

35:55no nobody ever really did and uh you know jesus i weighed 15 more pounds i was doing the arnold routine at the weight stack because i was somebody well somebody help me lift this my fourth day i'm not uh pretentious about you know what my fourth days were so you bulked up for the job oh yeah and uh i weighed 15 more pounds and i lifted man i could lift i lifted people out of bathtubs i lifted them out of the ocean i lifted them out of the projects i lifted them out of the truck i lifted them into the other truck because the first truck just broke down in the snow and uh what did you do oh sorry how long did you do this for i reserted once about four and a half summers four and a half years wow okay and i you know in between uh uh playing and whatever and again a big shout out to all my teachers and mentors not a day goes by i don't think about it and not a day goes by

36:56that uh i don't use some skill including that you know that'll level your head a little bit yeah somebody go make some coffee joe so you feel like for a guy like you who was such a gigantic superstar and you're just touring these huge arenas and people are freaking out every time they see you for you it was maybe a good way to balance things out too because you're seeing people in a life or death situation and dire straits when they're unhealthy and they need help and and you're out there in the down and dirty and the nitty-gritty like you know like you said trucks breaking down picking people up out of bathtubs well a lot of what you just described is the first response team yes we always describe our patients our friends and clients okay but the struggle for our i'll call it the uniform starts with military police fire first response i'll throw in nursing emergency room and

38:01those of us with bells and whistles she called the ambulance etc um you see that from the inside out yeah and that really will sharpen your vision okay um for example right off the bat i pay 52 in taxes just tear my dollar in half half for many many years um i'm all for tripling police fire medical paramedic emergency nursing etc like that starting pay should be about twenty five hundred dollars a week and on up i agree with you i would pay more tax happily i would too if that case would be and we would take what is a very uh set of very refined sciences and art forms everything i just described i call it the uniform because we put on a uniform when we go to work in there like that on it's time to go digital and you can start making real demands in terms of uh just the preparation you follow today being on the beat uh taking care of people whether you're in

39:17first response medical or answering fire calls is on par these days you have to make the decisions of a seal teamer where's the same training where's the same gear i went to uh i was out in palm springs at the international school for tactical medicine out there and the fellas we had game wardens from alaska we had heavy rescue from cleveland we had all manner of folks coming through there and they all discuss well sometimes we have to share one helmet what sometimes we don't have enough guys to do this and that so we just parked the car and let them think there's some these kinds of stories you follow and you start uh paying people what they're worth and start paying people according to what your expectations then a lot of things i don't go political to the nonsense like charlottesville and what's happening in a lot of areas around these states we'll go by the wayside

40:15as you move from no qualifications necessary to hey man you guys work just as hard and you endanger yourselves way more than a trial attorney yes i personally got out of jury duty recently by saying i didn't want to get out of jury duty in fact i raised my hand when the judge says anybody here think they can do jury duty you're all trying to get out of it and i raised my hand and she said why i said because i now can see that there are neighborhoods where everybody is i know of neighborhoods where everybody's a liar a cheat a and if they're not they're covering for somebody and she said what neighborhood is that i said the legal community in beverly hills the bailiff almost dropped his gun everybody was laughing they dismissed me okay too opinionated mr roth you've had too much life experience exactly don't let the door hit in the ass on the way out yup

41:16have you ever done jury duty no i have not if i uh if i did get in there i'd probably just tell them i think everyone's guilty when you have cop's eyes that's when you walk into the room and you know everybody's lying yeah not not really i mean i i probably should do it soon probably good experience for me do they ask you to do it i'm sure it's happened i i keep showing up the last time i actually showed up a fella uh i think it was a drivers two guys who were being accused of shooting somebody walks up he's i don't know he looks faintly slavic if you grew up with james bond movies everybody we know who you are you are very popular in the freshest cough kind of a thing where are you playing next you're in pasadena i think you're always there yeah to the ice house all the time yeah constantly there do you have a vibe about the ice house is there a mojo to it oh yeah please explain the

42:21oldest comedy club in the known universe that that place has been in operation since the 1960s it was originally an actual ice house where back before there was refrigeration they would bring in ice and people would go to buy ice they'd have a gigantic you know freezer type room it was insulated so it'd keep the ice for a long time then it became like a variety type place and then somewhere in the 60s it became a comedy club and it is now the oldest longest-running comedy club in the world 1973 i was working as a janitor slash tech and surgery at a hospital in pasadena this was night shift okay wow in the early 70s we did everything it was the stepping stone to going to medical school and i was playing acoustic guitar okay i still take lessons playing includes the guitar okay and on sunday nights audition night you would sign up for audition at the ice house

43:24at 6 30 they'd open the window and you would sign up so i'd take my dinner break and drive my opal cadet station wagon up to the ice house get there at about 6 15 wait they'd pop the window sign up so that i would be one of the first three to audition after the last act on sunday night which would happen right around 10 o'clock if you weren't one of the first three during audition night nobody was there and they shut it down and i would sign up go back to work and then come you know drive myself back change out of my hospital stuff you know put on the right clothes put my jeans or whatever and i auditioned there probably 15 times wow bob stain who owned and ran the place was just a voice over the intercom it was unforgiving bob was a famous non-smiler what's funny is there's a bob that owns it now bob fisher couldn't be more different the nicest guy on the planet

44:33earth always smiling hugging everybody super sweetheart of a guy okay yeah well bob stain was a voice over the intercom he was hardcore you know you go well here's a little song and the voice would say hopefully it's littler than the one preceding it yeah and you worked your chops according to bob he was your he was your ike turner oh boy yeah he was unforgiving and you learned quick of about timing in between transition segway you were allowed to do three songs and if you felt your song was too long or your your riff in between is he oh he called you on if you didn't like your shoes he talked about it you never saw him you heard it over the pa oh wow he was in the back as quite a ritual and i learned a tremendous amount about how you communicate with it with a crowd how do you talk to people as one how do you make eye contact what in fact are the wrong shoes

45:35what are the wrong shoes platforms oh yeah back in the day they were platforms that's right yeah yeah yeah okay david lee bowie will be singing us hopefully a shorter song than the last one he sang last sunday are you the same david lee bowie you would hear this over the uh over the pa system when kiss performs today do they still wear platforms i think it's in the contract joe it's part of the outfit mcenroe has to yell you got to be kidding like for kiss i'd never thought of that like they might be the last band that's wearing platforms until it wow everybody likes to make fun of platforms bell bottoms side burns until they come back around they oh there's there was something there sarge i don't know about platforms on guys but on the right girl yeah on the right girl look how you left the head yeah i'm fine with high heels right girls and platforms you know the

46:35right like oh wow that suggests different time frames right that's the 20s that's the 30s that could be the 70s you know there's something about those kiss ones though that was like they're inexorable right they're a part of the gig like with gene simmons he's got demon boots look at that they're still rocking them wait those are new and improved costumes too yeah those are digital they're definitely new and improved uh i like the boots i like it man that has got to be hell on your knees though that's got to be hell on your lower back everything yeah all the above okay i'm gonna leap ahead but look uh stanley's still in shape yeah oh he's he looks great he was here a couple years ago you know this is where i failed i should have gone kiss blue man group years ago to those of you who are my age lassie there should be four of me oh that's the move right because yeah

47:29yeah you think you know right no one can tell right that's the thing like you could replace a lot of those guys and if you didn't tell anybody and if long someone's have you ever heard the japanese gentleman that's uh he does a steve uh perry impression he's the new lead singer for journey oh he's i think he's from philippines oh is he he's japanese either way phenomenal yeah the guy sounds exactly like steve perry all right well this solicits an interesting subject perhaps compels it um are some bands like west side story where you can continually revitalize the production right with different actors with different actors okay a whole lot of shakespeare going on yeah okay um but you have to kind of replicate the initial sound or do you because i'm sure all of beethoven's early orchestras are dead that's fragile that's because i don't think you can say this because

48:24this is a part of my youth van halen was a part of my youth i mean we used to drew the the van halen logo on our notebooks in high school along with the rolling stones like the mouth and you know all the kiss logo when it switched over to sammy hagar it became a different thing it was a different thing there's a whole different pivot i mean it wasn't it wasn't a bad thing no no saying all of sam's lyrics contain love yes okay why can't this be love and i ain't talking about love we'll be right back with more fighting after this who do i jog with i don't i run who's my running partner yeah run with the devil hello okay you want to keep going yeah keep going should i jump should i jump should i might as well jump thank you yeah i mean come on you know it's a questions and love are a great uh classically that's sinatra yeah okay um but i'm i'm not well adjusted nobody in

49:36my job ever was much less kept it this long and i faced it embraced it like a brazilian storm yeah your phone put it choking so i know it's all right there in the lyrics yeah even using what are considered classic music parlor tricks taking a very sad lyric and positioning it against a very happy piece of music the music is ramping it's it's it's uh a heavy metal rumba doop and larry is she's crying yeah jamie's crying you didn't notice that yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's it there's a sense there's a sense of larceny this chaos in the lyric there's a sense of uh it's uh music for after midnight when we're all guilty joe yeah whereas uh again nothing wrong with the sami hagar thing but it moved into a mall crowd it was a different sort of a vibe it was it was a good vibe for a lot of folks but it was a different vibe um i mean i don't have anything against

50:39sammy hagar i think he's wonderful i always love that song can't drive 55 he's got some great but i never listened to the van halen with van hagar i just didn't listen to it to me it was like it was the end of an era for me it's two different folks yes i wanted to be the art project not just wear one yeah so by placing my everything we've discussed if you think of it as cross training that's a great rationale yeah why'd you do that and then you did this why it's cross-training it's going to reinform your sound it's going to reinform the way you your stagecraft how you even walk out on stage your choice of what to wear yeah to follow and your sense of humor especially well that's a great way to look at what you were talking about with the west side west side story analogy because it kind of went on but it kind of didn't it's like if you took west side story and you changed the story

51:34you can't change the story but you can change the voices okay but it would be a different story like the van halen story became a different story all right here i'll venture this okay uh one of my favorite freeze-dried bands in history is toto why why freeze-dried well all freeze-dried coffee looks the same and it's great okay i've been camping and man there's nothing better than just a cup of fresh freeze dried get it in the wrong in the wrongest places that's some context it's the best thing you could ever have that afterwards song is a good song it's an amazing song no that's smithsonian level yes song yes okay rosanna and so forth totals amazing any of the fellas could walk up to me and i wouldn't recognize him no you know what i said i would not recognize them say is the greatest genius in all of music in that regard steve miller nobody knows who the steve miller is steve

52:32yeah but i mean he had some everything he knows those songs and if you if you even uh start to play everybody getting ready to sing yeah jungle love i mean god damn he had some jams but that guy could go anywhere and then there are artists where you just can't replace it right stewart right arguably one of the best vocals in history of any genre all together oh yeah that's a no wait division thing and yeah one of the all-time greats the ali is probably rod stewart yeah okay um his songs you can have other people sing them but it becomes something other now journey i would recognize the guitar player but that's just because i listened to that kind that part of the band okay my favorite part of the orchestra is the gong just want to clarify that but uh uh steve perry who sang for journey okay um was not so much a personality as an eloquent sound yes all right so it's a

53:40universal sound and if you even get close to it it is part of every prom every wedding every going in and coming out party okay if you you're going into the into the army that's the last song the band's gonna play you're coming out of jail they're gonna your girlfriend's gonna play it you throw your bag to the side and run you've seen the movie yes okay even tony soprano we're not sure what happened but it happened to journey yes true that's right right okay that's very significant you can't play a david lee rather song and still worry about tony soprano right that's true half of your mind is gonna go wait a minute the lone ranger just walked into the same diner that tony is it's it's why i have no acting career i'm already a character lone ranger sits down next to you says joe there's a forest it's a dark forest and you're not getting lost in any story

54:42you're sitting here like you're going that's the lone ranger right right right right a good actor sit down and go a dark forest and you're scared right right right some people can become that other person oh yeah and then some people are stuck being david lee ross exactly you know denzel walks out and then it you go wow that's an astronaut he could be anything even now you know he's denzel washington you're bad look at that right dave roth comes and goes what's dave doing in a spacesuit right exactly yeah we're not buying it yeah yeah i'm already uh kind of a uh a cultural yeah you're already a thing you're already a thing yeah that's that's uh that's really interesting how there's all these great bands with great sounds and great vibes and they're all different well if you think in terms of the personality let's think of a band oh i just saw john mayer great

55:44show all right and when you think of john you think of who that is in the neighborhood and the vibe and the mood before perhaps you even think of a specific song okay um as soon as you know well i know his hits i know his songs but it was the same thing that the fellas in the grateful dead who said they're identifying that vibe it's what's more important the jokes or the person what's more important you or specific jokes because some of your jokes are bound to go flat i don't care it's joe yeah but some of the joke the only way they some of them the only way they work is with you like there's some people like mitch hedberg's perfect example like you couldn't separate mitch hedberg from the jokes because he was the jokes he was part of what made it funny you're right i ran into jeffrey ross the other day okay and he did mike bumps in and telling yeah who's managing them that's a movie

56:45happening those two right that's what that's all lemon fortune cookie yes okay that's only a billion dollar franchise is bernie brillstein still alive get after this i don't think bernie's a little you guys need an agent no it's stellar yes it is it is they were walking around in the park doing warm-up for their routine you know and the netflix special and i'm going uh i expect the clapboard and woody allen to walk out and go i think that's a take i think though that with guys like that especially those two guys the best product is them on stage yes i'm around you really don't want to make a movie just want to keep doing what they're doing with netflix well this is the this is the vibe you have them be there's there are some folks like uh jason stratham yeah he's okay yeah he's always the same same haircut yeah yeah he's always jason yes right but it's jason in a different time period

57:40right jason in a fast cars jason on a horse i don't know but he's he's always that and this is what compels me some folks are very joke dependent now take my wife please that kind of thing um yourself is the audience that you see when it's uh like at the comedy club i've seen you at the comedy club um it's the same audience as fight night no sometimes yeah yeah it's real similar in a weird way i was weird i see the i see uh george michael eyebrows because i'm always trying to figure it out um yeah they're real similar you know it's a weird crossover but what makes it weird it's weird that i do cage fighting commentary and stand-up comedy in the first place it's weird that those two things work together oh that doesn't that doesn't uh no that makes perfect sense for you no yeah but you're a wish i just shared with somebody i'm funny not happy yes yeah you're funny you ain't happy

58:43there's a big difference and the more unhappy you are the better the funny really think so absolutely really if you know how to channel it well that's certainly the case in some situations i'm open to all possibilities when it comes to comedy i know people that are really happy and really funny and i know people that are really dark and also really funny like i don't know it's just it's different it's different with different people just like music is different with different bands and different singers it's just it either works or it doesn't it really depends upon how much time and effort you take working on yourself your act your perspective the way you deliver it we always had to win in van halen we had no choice we had to win the battle of the bands it was competitive yeah we had to win over the club owner this was before there were dance systems sir when vega hadn't

59:36hadn't figured out those base bins yet you had to have a live band five 45 minutes that's a night place what was your closer song where you knew a band couldn't go on after you lagrange oh yeah uh we were pretty good at anything we had no development phase um i have tapes of us at the hilton hotel in pasadena in 1973 you would if i didn't tell you you know you would think it was three years ago wow kind of a sound there's virtually no development how'd that happen how did it work that way we had classical training all right and this kind of speaks to what we were discussing earlier in that a lot of my colleagues are having a great time making music and they celebrate and it's uh the word fun comes into it and we grew up in classical music backgrounds where you had to challenge for first chair saxophone every six eight months you got to go to the conductor and say i want first chair

60:39and if your first chair and he thinks i have a shot he's going to come over joey says roth's talking about you oh you both you both gonna play this piece in front of the orchestra next wednesday you best practice okay and we'll both get up and we'll both play 18 bars of the same piece you dig yeah there just may be a switch in front of 120 people all of them colleagues all right we learned from in music school you know the racy stuff was big band all right if you're in terms of you know uh we played rock and roll in parallel but big band it's got a square vibe to it because it wound up in elevators and restaurants and whatever but they had cutting contests and there was nothing more cuttin than benny goodman versus chickweb big band at roseland ballroom that is on people would bet on it they would play the same four songs you play your version of it and we'll play ours yeah all right

61:48wow a throw down a big band throw down oh yeah and it was furious too you know it wasn't like friendly right right and the dancers would stand in the middle of those sparks and that's where you get that yeah these postures that stuff like this okay and the dancers were competing the lindy hoppers could be wow frankie you know all these guys throw it um so it was competitive and we learned that's how you do it you know my two mentors in um uh music were uh first and second chair clarinet the la philharmonic and it comes from that also you know you have a whole different vibe that uh i'll take a grateful dead approach which is the complete opposite of that competition man leave that at home bro yeah you know whoa we're here to celebrate and so and i completely understand that's where i'll go aft work take my vest off put my guns down they took a totally

62:59different turn right they said go ahead tape all of our shows come come you know sell food in the parking lot man we had to win we or we didn't eat boxing for money it's different than boxing for fun right right i learned that very early and we learned it through music yeah you know some of the folks learn it in the ring other folks learn it in their first few days in a law firm or and they join a team it's interesting the way you describe it with music because i try to explain that to comedians i say think about how much time a musician has to spend practicing and how little we spend practicing we our practice is in front of the audience for the most part it's a simplified version of this 10 bigger pardon a simplified version of the how many hours rule is the ten thousand hour you've heard about yes that's a very simplified version okay that's digestible

63:56ten thousand hours i don't know you break that down was that take uh six years maybe something like this the true asian paradigm is ten hours a day every single day for ten years if you have a little a little kid and he's got to have heart surgery you want that guy right it's right around 30 000 hours if you're gonna go flying in a helicopter over new york city you want captain paulie try montana it's about 40 000 hours okay uh my dentist dr glassman who teaches is a forty thousand hour man okay uh so if you ever crash or get belted give me a call i will hook you up it's about thirty thousand hours and that's 10 hours a day every single day for 10 years and that's what creates uh a jet pilot a great surgeon a great writer yeah anything in the arts and letters that's the architect unless you're a prodigy and if you bungle that in typing it's tragedy very easily

65:17so yeah prodigies and tragedies often go hand in hand there's something about people that get things very easily that for whatever reason it slips through their fingers more quickly as well when my sister my dad was an eye surgeon okay did well and uh when my sisters wanted to go to college he said i think that's a great idea and made her pay for it oh yeah she wouldn't value it if she didn't pay for it herself that's probably right i signed my first contract when i was 13 150 stereo and three records i worked all summer shoveling at the local uh horse table that's where i learned spanish i don't know that you gotta do that you learn the same thing from sports yeah yeah your kids do sports yeah which ones um martial arts and uh one of them is really into gymnastics yeah yeah are they competitive in it or are they do they enjoy themselves are they on team like they're

66:19unturned tournaments or yeah and is that something that they get here i'll back up i'm leading up to something can you guess yeah i can i think you always are folks folks are starting to recognize certain traits in me as in i really like the getting ready more than the actual show really the actual show i'm making fun here i'm being poetic but uh the monitor blows the guitar players pissed the spotlight's on the wrong guy i have a cold but that six six weeks leading up to it i remember the rehearsal we did the thing and the right when we recorded the track over that they remember when we got measured for the shoes that oh that was great and it's where did we eat after that i got to go back there and and and i always sought to make those rehearsals and whatever as memorable as possible because you can do a whole lot more of getting ready than you are throwing the punch yeah ask

67:24anybody on one of your shows yes yeah yeah that's like you have such a great insight for that though you know some people they may even if they're aware of it they're not consciously aware of it they're not focusing on all these details the getting ready is as much of a if the band says they don't like rehearsing you're doing it wrong hey man it's like if you're sitting on your laurels you're wearing them on the wrong part of your body first off where are you rehearsing right as in miami no where are you training hawaii cleveland okay let's talk because even in cleveland you can turn it into your place do you follow what is your routine you thought what music did you listen to do you dig how did you warm up simple simple things you know most people are feared terrified of singing when they go into singing i don't care who it is the first verse is always a little tight

68:38and the second verse is a little better why because they didn't warm up right all right and the idea of well go in and sing along with a dozen of your favorite songs put your head gear on get the reverb to sound out for me that starts with motown i'm a soul growler i'm i'm closer to wilson pickett than the guy in the rolling stones that was loud baby don't know what that sounds like on the headphones but you know that's i spent many i'm gonna put the headphones on here there we go loud loud babe yeah that's right i started sounding like that when i was 12. i started practicing that when i was 12. i started imitating the persuasions jerry butler the singer um when i was 13. much to the cantor's chagrin in hebrew school okay again parallel existences you know i'm jewish but we always walked around little buttons back then that said never again i'm a combat hippie

69:50peace love and heavy weapons some people don't believe sometimes you got to get insistent did you ever realize while you were while you were in the middle of this especially in the beginning the early days that this was that you mean you guys had especially with van halen in the early days you guys had a massive impact on culture were you guys aware of that like while it was happening how i mean you when i was in high school i graduated in 1985 and you guys were the my girlfriend my sister's rather boyfriend's uh my sister's boyfriend's license plate i am the soundtrack yeah i'm the soundtrack to your okay i get this now absolutely i mean what was that that this was intentional it was intentional i can tell you now davine helens knew it but can't articulate it all right they're instrumentalists here comes the funny joke words am i my thing i understood yes

70:50words and my thing so you realize that while it was happening well your end game depends on how you started it's like chess right and we began very early on identifying that there's a whole lot of different neighborhoods in southern california i knew this from being with my dad all of his patience was like a benetton ad yeah you know that's part of the beauty of pasadena you got everybody okay and um okay what you play at the birthday party in the spanish-speaking neighborhood santana you got to change your evil ways broken yeah it's different than what we're going to play for the surfers out at venice beach that's aerosmith's stuff you know and dude like this and then you have the working man okay out in san bernardino and that's zz top huh right subtle but important geniuses in the details and how you uh interact with that crowd in between we would play out in pomona at a biker bar

72:10the guy got killed right in front of us and we finished the song what happened a couple of bike bike gangs went at it and uh there was a scrap and when everybody cleared out there was a fella right in the middle of the floor next night we came back vengeance had been sworn there were police everywhere we pulled the amps out from the wall so we could hide behind the amps 70s it was a mighty time wow and we played on the queen elizabeth for really fancy oh my god i remember sitting in that ballroom at four in the morning in the days when we carried our own equipment and stuff and thinking of all the people who'd been in there and everybody who'd performed there and so forth and dozens and dozens of places you know that were all a little bit different and our our thing was that we could play anywhere we had to otherwise uh we had to feed ourselves all right and

73:07that meant 5 45 minutes sets at night five six nights if you could get it and we would ping pong all over the uh southland anywhere we could drive for two hours two hours north south or east is how we would do and every neighborhood was a little different and that shows up in the music you know now you can take a look at something like dance the night away or jamie's crying there's a there's a latino influence in that okay that's ricky ricardo people say what's your favorite cuban expecting me to name a cigar i say ricky ricardo yeah you ain't kidding and if you listen to dance the night away the middle break is all cha cha chachki and stuff like because here this is you know you're surrounded by hispanic culture here and we had heavy metal influences okay we had uh super wealthy stuff so you have to be able to move to acoustic you got to be able to ease up if you get hired for a wedding

74:25and more importantly perhaps you know artist to artist i don't know springsteen better during the song or in between careful we're going to the broadway show yeah yeah that's about a 12 000 ticket now and i'm guessing i'm guessing before t-shirt right and uh i'm guessing that uh i haven't seen the whole show i saw some of it on netflix and the very pivot of it is the in-between songs yeah the songs are almost secondary you know uh they're almost peripheral to his uh narration and his descriptions and his poetry well he's such a deep guy like you have to hear the in-between stuff you want to hear him brood you want to hear him talk you want to hear him think about things yes and where do you learn that we're dealing with that ready i'm going to count to 30 000 joe yeah hours and hours and hours and when we're done you'll be able to you know joe that's not a good springsteen

75:33you're a good man joe we we what i was trying to get at was like does it ever freak you out like when you're ever alone and you think about what you guys did and what you've done in your career does it ever freak you out the impact that you've had that if you looked at the amount of human beings that have had the kind of impact that you've had it's a the tiniest tiniest fraction of a percent like the amount of human beings that can relate to your personal life experience i'll paraphrase the james brown movie there's two of them both of them were helpful helpfully produced by jagger okay and uh he does an interview he goes there's a little bit of me in every record you hear yeah he's in the dna yeah there's a little bit of david lee roth in there yeah there's a little bit whenever you see videos today it doesn't matter if it's hip-hop doesn't matter if it's rock and

76:26roll it doesn't matter if it's classic or pitbull there's a lid you can trace it back you follow right and it's not uh i don't think of it as impact that's a result what's the verb contribution yeah at family reunions whatever we go around everybody picks a word and uh my favorite word ever was contribution did you try you know go climb the tree here's my favorite poem i saw it inscribed on a rock by an anonymous poet at the base just sort of base camp on everest go climb the treasure mountain do not return empty-handed where are you now oh yeah that's some gps what's interesting about music that's different than anything else too is it brings you back to the moment where you heard it or when it was significant to you or where you know like if i hear dance the night away if i'm in my car and dance tonight away comes on it's just like god you get goosebumps you

77:32just have this feeling you feel like you're i'm back in newton massachusetts in high school my favorite audience is disbelieving non-believers non-smilers give me a room in north korea who hate everything about the trip starting with the airport yeah get this looks like this why don't you just stay hey rock and roll you give me two choruses son of a first we're going to drive away the evil spirits we might use a little volume to do that you know you might use a little this here we go and drive away the evil spirits and then i'm going to make you feel young and skinny how much is that worth for the live inestimable inestimable yeah that's the thing about music that's different than anything else it really does change your mood it elevates you well you can do that it gives you juice it's also we have like like a big glass bowl of you you're in all history and no movies don't do that

78:31books will if you used a paperback and you open it up and the pages are still dried from the vacation sun you know you were reading it at the beach and the salt there made the pages kind of old and dry and crackly and some sand comes out and you get the memory yeah all right music will take you right back right back right back the women will feel desirable you will feel invulnerable when you guys are making songs like saying running with the devil something like that how do you know when you're done no it's not when you're done it's how'd you get there right all right that informs the whole thing okay um somebody asked me once uh how long did it take you to write running with the devil that's an astute question i said well the true answer is if you watch a thousand movies many of them multiple times if you've played thousands and thousands of hours in clubs and bars

79:40if you've read i don't know 500 books tried to memorize all the good parts take about 18 minutes write the song see you guys are running with the devil in 18 minutes yeah really yes jesus christ okay but that's rhapsody in blue right right took 22 minutes to come up with the basic theme and the rest of its improvisation how would you guys write how would you guys get together the whole point is not the 18 minutes it's the whole lifetime before it it's everything that led up to that now vane helen we never took a demo tape around because we didn't get lost in the stack we said if we're as good as we think we are they'll come find us and if they don't we're not wow it's unforgiving instead of the requisite two and a half three years it takes for most acts we spent five and a half years working the clubs and the bars and everything like that so you know we we came in with scars and stars

80:55we've been we've done the state fair circuit like that i wasn't exactly new same thing for springsteen he'd done 10 years in the clubs and bars before yeah you know thunder road and whatnot right now and you'll see this routinely i think the beatles did four or five years of working in the red light district reaper bond and all the club shows and stuff like that and they're adding up they're getting that 10 000 and then ultimately that 30 000 hour mark yeah the beatles there's a i think it's malcolm gladwell's book where he's talking about uh the beatles and their their when they came up when they were performing in germany and they were doing these shows where they were doing multiple sets at night every night of the week and that this is really what made them so good is this constant performing that they were doing it so much and so often that they just became this

81:48smoothly oiled machine if you have a team that you're working together again this is another kind of thing i learned along the way um 40 hours a week is about your minimum if there's a team like we're a rugby team or a swat team or a emergency room kind of a c-block kind of you know intensive like that inner city intensive we call vietnam sometimes like that 40 hours a week is a batch of minimum that you need to train together in order to be going without looking at each other when the lights go out you don't lose velocity so to speak all right um ultimately you'll start to look like each other this is the nature of things the beatles look like each other van gaal and we look like each other we all have the same haircut we wear the same leather jackets the same as we became a team it's the golden times you know these are the golden years that most people look

82:57back on before the friction of time uh implicates itself you get married you have kids you bump your elbow now i got to get my elbow work done and it's you know and it's the friction of time the rent expands you know contracts etc um and people routinely look back on that as the golden years you know your gang everybody had one look back in in graphic arts you know the picassos and the dollies and everybody wandered around in gangs the great writers in new york all hung out together and they didn't get along you're always competing with each other you're pretending to love each other i just read in new york magazine some advice from the uh art critic jerry saltz it says create gangs and remember always treat the weakest one as your best friend because there's somebody else in the gang who thinks you're the weakest one and that's what you learn you know as

84:05you go what are you going to learn from working the clubs and the bars and stuff well my string just broke my nose is running i'm angry my girlfriend just ran off with two not one guy so i keep going i'm underpaid non-respected late and now i'm starting to sound like double dutch bus to top it off i'm late to work i got bad feet and my corns hurt and you're gonna play you will perform okay just as you will expect that surgeon at four in the morning this is my little baby girl that unforgiving apply that to your heart sage words sage words of advice you have expectations you may not have used them yet yeah when you guys wrote songs how did how did you put the lyrics to the music what was the process like how did you guys sort that out so you would you come to them with an idea would they come to you with a riff like how how would it work it'll work uh a number of ways but a mistake

85:23that a lot of young writers in my department the lyrics make is that they think of it as secondary they wait for the music or the track first and then you'll walk into a studio and hope that the hand of god will descend and grace you with uh amazing epiphanies i can't even spell amazing all right um and called upon to do it right away you know you'll work out a b and go dave you got some lyrics if i go walk into that room and try to create it right there nine times out of ten it's gonna be moon in june right moon in june really when sometime soon what time of day i'm thinking noon and it's literally i'm going to put my hands in the air why well because i just don't care you wind up there unless you're banking think like debate if you're gonna debate somebody you're banking your ideas right all right and whatever the subject is you can go you don't even have to have a

86:46subject it's okay i like what he just said i might even write that phrase i like what you just said could be a drake lyric any expressions ideas slogans uh anything that comes from other tunes in terms of their lyrics and is everybody contributing no that's just me just to have volumes of that those kinds of ideas ideas four songs story lines etc um you would never go into a fight without doing that collecting moves right from every other film of every other fighter that you possibly can so that when somebody goes like this you go oh i know what to do saw and suffer from results and then i'm going to visit like this and somebody says it's a song about they play a song i go wow it sounds kind of like cowboy music let's write about cowboys going through the banking giddy up that's a cool title i heard a cowboy say it on the tv set and i wrote it down literally okay

87:58and you start back i see the lights coming and you start banking okay somebody says something you dig um i heard somebody a waitress named pepper with an unlit palm all cigarette tell me oh honey nothing could have stopped us back then anyway that's a title that is a title i wrote a song to it did you oh yeah where was this waitress on the road just uh well she also had something else to say she'd lean over she showed that that cleavage a little bit and she'd look she'd go keep your fork honey there's pie and you write it down yeah banking yeah i like the term they use in debate you're banking banking your ideas so when you would go on the road and someone say something that you would physically write it down and go home and write it down today today all the time bank and it goes into the books and then when it's time to deal with a given such you listen to music if the music came first

89:13and you i don't know what's this it'll remind you of something oh that sounds like kung fu that sounds like country that sounds like uh engines are coming it's uh and on and on you follow you might suggest an idea do you write things down physically or do you type them um i sh i print print yeah and i i paint and draw routinely okay as you know that's part of the martial arts okay sure musashi yep but uh when i was in japan uh two and three nights a week i what we call it training i did uh sumiye with uh sumiye teachers director it's um like calligraphy uh pen and ink in in the world of the digital future i spent two years practicing four shades of gray and two shades of black yeah you want to see my lesson can you can you focus a camera if i stand up uh yeah can you here's my lesson okay okay i'm gonna walk from here to here okay i'm here painting okay i'm

90:25the only guy in the room ready okay here we go no yeah okay after six months i heard better jesus christ after almost 10 months i that because mr roth i think you are my best student huh i said not my painting he said no not your painting he said you are most determined you are most sincere you really enjoy most like this thank you sir he said i wish to invite you to director's meeting of sumiye society whoa that's i made the same face i said whoa she said when is that he said right now we pulled out a bottle of sake two little cups became one of my best friends in tokyo wow first for six six six first six months i might have got seven words well for a guy like that in this day and age it must be insanely difficult to get someone to have that sort of appreciation for commitment well it's it's a national thing okay you learn that stuff in grade school and it's sort

91:58of like music lessons okay painting and calligraphy is as well known as perhaps piano lessons what were you thinking while you were doing all this while you're learning this and spending months and months i focus on specifically that knowing that at the end of the term i'm going to be a little i'm sharpening things a little bit and when i'm called upon even to have the discussion like this yeah i can bring a little contribution to it yeah it can be more entertaining for all of you listening to this it can you know that's an amazing recognition that you have though that you realized while you were doing this that even though consciously all you're doing is doing calligraphy you're working on other parts of your mind oh i knew i was never going to paint for 50 shades of dave but you were still focusing 100 of your energy on doing it while you're doing it yeah yeah and

92:56there's something to that no yeah it's it's the preparation what are you doing now that's weird oh well i went corporate you okay oh yeah i got 30 floor employees you do it i have offices at one park avenue and you seem like this type of guy who might go off the grid and be very difficult to find in the uh i got offices at the beach in my company is uh geez we're about eight million dollars into it here right and running that kind of a team and dealing with the people because it's art centric what is this team what's it about this is the tattoo it's the original this is my stuff and i didn't just hire a bunch of people to pass things in front of me i designed what that logo looks like i put together what the general and everything okay the at all and then i hired the architects and said build this create this so it's virtually everything that you know

93:54how to do as an artist because you have to keep everybody entertained you have to be creative on levels everything from adobe photoshop to social engineering and platforming dealing with marketing publishing all the way that publishing is changing magazines now makey digital are you approaching this the same way you approach calligraphy oh you bet art centric singing and dancing paid every penny for the company and this is what i bring to it mostly when you have a celeb get involved in something like i don't know j.lo does fashion she's not really taking a pen in ink and drawing out the words and drawing out the clothes somebody passes things in front of her and she makes sounds i'm assuming it goes like this i'm the guy who has to interpret those sounds yeah and and and and because there's got to be a sense of humor right mixed the name of my company is laugh to win

95:02and it doesn't have anything to do with mirth um all the best pirates laugh especially if it's the last one um few of these are going to detonate on the freeway home no i'm sure now when you're when you're creating this company i mean how much of your time how much your time is involved in this a significant amount of time or back and forth and uh so you're like a real professional now like a professional corporate dude like you're doing the 50-hour work week thing and no no it's art centric okay all right um it starts with what was the need what was it well the need it's like when al honold goes climbing he's gonna put on some sunblock and he doesn't want to touch that for another four hours right so i built it for him okay i i cracked my two molars and walked around for three years with no molars on this side of my head when i caught dengue fever whoa okay because the

96:12sunblock and the stuff that had the mosquito in it washed off when i got out of the ocean so i solved it and we are stripper friendly but we are not strippers so i don't want shiny okay so it's like i want i want satin glow okay i don't want shiny there's room for shiny like you know friday nights sure throw a little glitter on it and as far as fragrances thank you no okay um it took three years and more than you want to quote to solve that because every time you go and you smell something you crack the jar of anything somebody has played with that probably in new jersey okay think like this i'm already doing the pitch you like ice cream yes you don't your kids do gelato even better okay suppose you want to make uh coconut vanilla all right well if you're buying most products you got to just go to one factory in new jersey true story the l'oreals the neutrogenas and so

97:24forth and they're going to take the smell of coconut and the smell of vanilla and there's a mix and so forth this kind of a thing the fact is the cow lives in a very different place than the coconut lady who grows coconuts and the guy who's going to sell you your vanilla lives in a whole other country the reason that ice cream tastes so good is somebody got their ass on an airplane and flew to all three places and that's what my staff does our staff is artisanal it's like craft scotch from the carolinas put your put your uh pendleton on we're going to portland really and then we're going to go to seattle because that's just one product it's my artisanal art thing that i do there and it came from a need behind the scenes started years ago when we'd be climbing and stuff would get all over our hands and all over our ropes we'd be kayaking and somebody keep

98:24dropping yours because something was slippery you followed yeah so okay someday i'm going to solve this someday i'm going to solve this when you're in your 20s there's an aha moment when you're my age there's more than one and that's when we went aha again third time today and began to expand laugh to win makes inc the original and we have 60 other products coming up all of it developed for people who live in vans like alex arnold folks who live in transit at hotels people who live urban camping is what we do especially me and my tour bus everything i do is in the disco submarine we travel and you got to be familiar everywhere even canada even canada and and and today we travel the entire world with impunity you go to south america you go to europe and something as simple when you go to japan you're really going to go find dental floss on your own no you're not pale face you got to take

99:35me because otherwise you're doing pantomime yeah wait until you get a bad stomach and you gotta pan in mind that to the little lady okay um all of these things okay i gotta stabilize gotta fit in my backpack every container has to be able to be sat on in a third world airport you got to be able to stevie wonder it in your backpack it's an insensitive illusion analogy but every one of our containers is such that you can stick your hand in the bag while you're driving and find it i'm safety conscious what do you have kids in the car so this is done by design the shape of the package is done by design so you can absolutely absolutely what does it look like show pull it up jamie you can read our logos from across the atlantic ocean right having worked and played okay suppose your granddaddy doesn't speak english okay all of our products have this kind of logoing here

100:44all right so translate this to granddad into cambodian granddad you're going to water exercise everybody there is going to have their own gear take yours make sure grandma puts this one on and that works in 82 languages i like the logo okay thank you cool looking bottle of sunscreen thank you you got hand grip in case you're wearing gloves at work and a lot of times when we're waiting in the projects okay and the rainstorms you're wearing two gloves you got your rubber gloves and you got your duty gloves on all right you still got the no-slip grip on the side fair enough and you got a daughter right she's gonna grow up to be somebody right and hanging around with guys and controlling guys my dad worked in the prison system the last 20 years of his life okay did eye surgeries up in folsom san quentin norco pelican bag etc little skinny jewish doctor how do you

101:42control level four violent lifers theater okay you're going to tell your daughter don't pull anything pink out of your purse if you're sitting with a bunch of guys pull that stuff out it's the right color right if you're at a legal briefing you got to be a boss don't pull any cerulean blue especially if it's shiny vinyl out of your purse you can't have a purple pull that yeah it says boss yeah in 22 languages what's in it like what's in it that makes it work well like that makes it waterproof and it's 100 uh in the brightener for example it's organics okay it's a brightener well like it makes your tattoo shiny you bet and it stays on just shorter forever it's days on when you go swimming so forth okay and what do you always do when somebody goes hey what's that new piece symbol you lick your finger and you rub it and you show it before it dries out right right okay

102:53i'm going to deal with the vanities as guys you never want to say you give a right i would teach my kid to say that if i had one hey your tattoo's looking a little rusty i don't give a learn how to say that in a few languages but you know you give a otherwise you wouldn't have gotten the paint job right and you want the girls to know you got to pee symbol anyways because you look kind of mean like me great put your finger away will you we got to clean up that's a bacterial thing so what's in that stuff you're going to make all the mistakes too you're going to go out and you're going to try and find cheap moisturizers that you're going to put on there and you're going to smear it all over yourself and it's going gonna look like that scene from uh something about mary when she puts that and everybody's gonna think what's that all over bobby's arm like this and it's gonna get all over

103:49your t-shirt right and your wife has a 600 t-shirt doesn't she joe okay so you got to consider all of this okay i saw a nice car out there i'm guessing there's nice upholstery in it yeah i took that into consideration i got you covered oh okay on and on and it's the smell of victory there it goes nothing's vitamin c shea butter and coconut oil not tested on animals dermatologist reviews yeah man we're paraben free petroleum free full list of ingredients here we go oh what is all this jazz we are one of the few products here that is reef safe allowable in hawaii okay the limits of what's going into the oceans now and the tourist areas of the world in hawaii you can count on one hand the products they're allowing to be used on the beaches and even in the swimming pools and stuff now so that comes so this is a 100 organic stuff it's all waxes and butters yup when people talk about

104:55miracle ingredients i don't know i think in terms of there's water and then there's fiji uh butter eggs sugar flour that's all that there is in the bakery all right we invented the cronut okay you take the best of this and the best of that and the considerations again come from life experience i didn't just look at myself and go wow uh here's an idea to make money my fortune's been made what we did is find what we can use when we're living out of backpacks what we can use when we go dancing i still go dancing and i don't leave that floor for four hours where do you go dancing i'm not telling you no no oh yeah routine really oh you bet where are you where are you going to show that inc right follow today i know in new york city for example mr chin lives right next to mr gomez who they both live over mr katzenberg mr radakovich owns the building none of

106:14them can speak to each other they all speak a different language they're all different religions etc so there's two ways we communicate first is swearing you know how to do that right you learn seven eight words and swearing you can describe anything this shows the show you're the thank you what kind of are you doing lately that last fight that was the we're having a conversation right okay like so and the next is ink so you got a chicken on one arm and a cleaver you butcher and the girl down there's got cupcakes with funny noses let me guess he's got musical notes can i guess more right and and and in an esperanto you walk out in front of columbia university at lunchtime it's the future you would not know that it's united states it is a complete composite international just the smell of all the food trucks the last thing you smell is salami and yellow cheese on white bread thank god

107:21say thank god in a few other languages yeah really yeah okay so it's a communication and that's part of my fascination with it it's a constantly evolving esperanto art form i've visited tribes in new guinea who can't dance they don't have they don't dance but they did have tattooing they did have scarves you know iceman they found the glacier that guy uh you know they found his body i forget what they call i don't care what his name is but he had tattoos on him i mean he's thousands of years old that one time doesn't he go to your gym yeah fabio goes to jay we said i see him all the time he still looks good fabio still looks like fabio i mean he's very recognizable fabio is like sideburns and flares and uh easy listening we always make fun but there's one of them in your past that guy banked on his hair i mean if that guy went bald like me he'd be it still is the exact same

108:27fabulous right yeah amazing genetics he got a lucky break he's he's one of the characters who are other characters like that oh david hasselhoff sure now has a hassle book what is that well he has his own facebook thing and he's met so many jesus christ i got the disdain look from joe oh my god a hassle talk about a non-smiler oh my god hassle book jesus is cold out here holy who was uh any nicole smith yes there's three there's three phases yeah first phase pretty good the guest jeans ad correct right and then there's married to the old dude well i'm a little kinky i kind of like the last one too the rich right before she dies elvis had three faces yes okay yeah so uh yeah but there are folks also that don't have phases springsteen never had a phase he was always springsteen there he is looking good fabio he's about 85 years old still jack is that right yeah i mean i don't see him

109:42working out a lot but he's there what does he do if he's at the gym i don't know talking to women and oh damn still scoring no but in turn that's that's so cr you want to think about it but you don't but you do do but you don't yeah you want to think about the gal that wants a bang fabio super pumped about it he's coming over in five minutes i gotta get ready what are you watching on tv do you have television yes and what are you watching regularly because i don't have television i listen to siriusxm routinely well i listen to like six different channels over and over again there lately i'm watching the marvelous mrs maisel which is a uh it's a not netflix excuse me it's an amazon show it's an amazon original show about a stand-up comedian in the 1950s a woman stand-up comedian who hangs out with lenny bruce it's really good okay really good show women stand-up comedians there's a great

110:37subject sarah silverman yeah hooray spectacular yeah she has a real hurdle because one of the things that she does best is play the part of the character she's lampooning sure yeah yeah she plays the part beautifully of a witless racist whatever and her hurdle is that a large segment of the audience doesn't realize that it's an act well now now that's the hurdle especially now if you go back and look at some of her older bits and look at and especially if you looked at it written down as opposed to her saying it we're in such an overwhelmingly sensitive time when it comes to subject matter that yeah that would be a big hurdle for her now but it's the best work ever it made such an impact the first time i ever saw her do it and this is a tradition that goes all the way back back during lincoln there was a fellow who wrote the nasbie letters where he pretended to be a

111:34southern racist and making fun of southern racism pretending to be lincoln kept the articles clipped from the newspaper in his drawer so he could read them occasionally and laugh during the civil war you know this is a tradition of acting out the character that you are about to execute unfortunately there's a lot what what is the chemistry that folks don't understand that you are pretending they don't care it's not it's a dishonest approach they don't care whether or not you're pretending what they they see you have said something or there's something written that shows that you've said something that they feel is in violation and so they want to go after it it doesn't make any sense yes it's literal and it's also it's disingenuous because they know it could be parody and they don't care there's so much of that today it's really interesting it's really interesting because there's so many

112:29people that are they're just looking for things to be upset about it's recreational outrage and i think it's probably because things are going so well in this world i mean it's not i mean some people say it's not going that well you know there's a lot of things to be fixed for alert it's the safest time to be alive ever it just is this is undeniably the safest time i agree with that and i think people are more open-minded than ever more kind than ever there's less violence than ever you look at pinker's work all these things are trending in a very very clear and obvious direction and i think when you have coddled minds and you have more safety people start running around looking for things to be upset at and they and also a lot of young people that are very idealistic think they're going to change the world and one of the ways they're going to change the world is by

113:16policing language and policing the way people talk about things and discuss things and so stand up comedy which is you know you say a lot of things you don't really mean because they're funny you know that's the whole point behind it and so it's ripe as far as a target for that kind of recreational outrage the musical equivalent perhaps is really shitty songs written about important subjects yeah yeah really shitty songs written about important subjects are offensive right the melody sound reminds you of overdue dentist appointments the singing sounds like water hot water being thrown into a sick cat but it's about starving children right what's a good example no don't go there okay we don't need to we don't need to do that but we all know don't but you say it's just musically right that sounds like we shall overcome sure whoa that's about pets yeah

114:23i love pets beautiful you just and well there's movies like that too right there's movies about really important subjects that are terrible movies like how many are you you caused me to think that if it's a really really important subject it probably is a terrible movie yeah most likely why do i think that right well there's no way to really get an important subject and boil it down to two hours oh i didn't think of that i mean you know give me two hours and import your project yeah i mean especially like one thing that drives me crazy is when they take liberties with someone's biography like if they would do a biography on someone's life and they've changed things around or add things to it for theatrical flair did you see the queen movie no i did not see it i haven't seen it either i heard it's very good though you heard it's very good did you ask the

115:14person who told you that why it's good um yes yes and what did they share they said the first of all the guy who plays freddie mercury apparently is brilliant in it and it's have they seen origin have they seen freddie live no not live i saw freddie live at the forum i was in the maybe 20th row six in when bohemian rhapsody had just come out oh my goodness yeah i saw him at his absolute that is major major prime there so i'm very curious as to well stagecraft is one thing but what freddy was and what he brought was way more than what you saw on stage yeah yeah what was he bringing well his sensibilities in terms of music weren't just three chords in an attitude and don't fall for that either if keith ever sits here and tries that is all wrong you know you just need three three goals in an attitude yeah and you need to know the inversions of each one all seven modal that you keith

116:15cause he does know all those and the trick tunings and whatever yeah um freddy brought a whole wealth of listening to different kinds of music whether it was orchestral big band bistro you mean that yeah that's bistro uh what do you call it musette small uh something you might hear in a coffee shop in france well his music was so different his singing was so different than anything else from his era when you listen to we are the champions he didn't try to sing black okay he sang freddie mercury he sang european non-black what we're very used to even in country i had a very famous black producer african-american producer say to me david lee do you know what it means to be a black man in the united states today every time i step up to the mic i try that's what i grew up with right trying to sound like meltdown trying to sound like wilson pick it trying to sound like an on and on that that

117:28you know that voter block had such an impact on music much less the overall culture and comedy as well i mean if i had to vote one greatest all-time comedian would be prior the greatest of all time i would i would have to say it's he's in the running i mean if it's not him i don't know who it is i'll agree with you yeah there's so many some i mean when you look at african-american stand-up comedians and the contribution in terms of like the overall numbers the top 10 a giant chunk of them were black a giant chunk chappelle chris rock definitely prior guys forget about bernie mac bernie mac was a goddamn genius you know a lot of people don't know about robin harris robin harris was a huge influence to people in the 90s the 80s and the 90s when he died he died i think in the early 90s you're illuminating for the audience but here you're preaching to the already convinced judge

118:24well it's i think it's because of the i grew up with comedy records yeah okay red fox red fox and if you you can still hear red doing on the classic comedy channel on siriusxm and his is still funny still good and it's that's let's revisit is it the delivery system it's everything or the thing because you can't sound crazy i started imitating red flags when i was probably 12 years old yeah that is lit it wasn't walks in right yeah i should do it and you know i mean bill covey cosby was obviously a horrible person in retrospect but his art form his artwork was amazing i mean i listened to comedy records you memorized word for word you memorized richard pryor your memorized red fox you memorized bill cosby and you memorized rodney dangerfield oh yeah okay those are the four horsemen yeah and if when you run out of conversation at a beer soak frat party

119:28high school whatever which is in about two sentences you say you either quote your favorite movies yeah that's how you would converse as guys you know you know that scene where he blows them away they dude and you express ourselves or you go you started you know i can't get no respect yeah yeah and and doctor told me i have to run i i even try this with the staff i said david how you doing he said yeah man doctor told me i had to run ten a mile a day and then call him uh 10 days later and well i'm calling you i'm 10 miles away rodney dangerfield okay you learned comedy records and you sat around the record player and learned it i don't think people do that anymore no no no that was a thing man when i was a kid we used to listen to cheech and chong big bamboo would all sit around and listen to the record yeah man and that was a different one too because they weren't even doing

120:27stand-up there that was a completely unique thing they were doing sketch comedy on a record it's interesting that pot culture which is international now okay um started with an asian and a hispanic yeah they were the kings of it and you can again sideburns yeah and when it was all bottoms we make fun yeah but everybody on earth knows cheech how many decades later how many decades i went rock climbing as far away as humanly possible from anything ever made by a god man or others a place called aeropolis it's about four hours north of melbourne out in the middle of nowhere big sand drip castles you can dial it up and find our rappolies and we had a couple of campers like trucks that we parked and we put up a tarp in the middle and campfire and whatever and uh i had a little uh little television screen and we plugged that into the car battery okay and i went to the other campsites

121:38because we up not brought enough whatever it was water food or whatever that's a rappolies wow and i went to the different campsites and invited everybody you know hey man can i borrow this do you guys got any oatmeal or anything like this today yeah we're we're going to be watching cheech and chong over under the far edge over there you'll see us he'll come on over and join us from all over the world you got guys from thailand you got girls from england is it everybody knew chi chinchong it was the great leveler wow all right and we sat there in sub-zero temperatures swaddled and sleeping bags laughing in seven languages you don't even need subtitles yeah you don't need to read the movie they're back together doing it again which is amazing and i gotta get those guys in here as long as they're talking to each other to make sure you never know are they actually talking

122:34to each other or has this gone eddie and dave it went eddie and dave for a while it definitely won eddie and dave for a while but they're back yeah they're back together well they were touring quite a bit i think success brought them back together again they realized like everybody wants to see cheech and chong everybody doesn't really want to see chong or cheech you know what i'm saying like i mean not that everybody doesn't want to see them but that the numbers are so different the numbers of people that i mean tommy johnson beloved guy but the together they're they're exponentially more powerful it's the everly brothers yes yes yes yes it's uh but the culture changed a man of his times sometimes the times changes and look how the times now represent that which they you know pre yeah i mean those guys were whatever they were doing something that was illegal this was

123:24illegal comedy there was a legal subject matter today in studio city you could spend a 10-day vacation if you came from somewhere and just worked from the sushi bar to the dispensary on studio city there's a space that's about two miles long you could spend ten days come visit us from japan stay at the marriott all the way near uh whatever at a universal and you can each all just work from sushi bar to dispensary from sushi bar to dispensary they're touring look at that up on the screen there's a whole schedule and it where are they working i can't read it it says uh they're in richmond bc at the river rock casino in vancouver at the hard rocks south lake tahoe there's a bunch of places san juan puerto rico in the house what's the average age of comics today the best ones are in their 40s and 50s it seems like right now really yeah between chris rock dave chappelle oh you're right okay

124:24um yeah the best guy joey diaz all the best guys are in their 50s because it does change when you think like um i don't know there's a lot of gangster movies on netflix right yeah and when it's that then the fellas are older they're wearing tuxedos you know they're in nightclubs like cyril's kind of uh yeah the 21 club and then that changed to yeah uh comedy cellar and you know something like that today it's also about productivity like you you have to be able to put out material and uh because most of us are doing netflix specials now and most of us seem to be on a schedule of doing one every couple of years so you have to be able to turn over an hour every couple years and then take that hour and hammer that down to a samurai sword excuse me a katana polish that blade hammer it down polish that blade you have to have it and then you have to know when to release it

125:19which is one of the things that i ask like how do you know when you're writing a song like running with the devil how do you know when it's done because with a bit you kind of don't know because you do it differently all the time you around with it on stage and you know i'm uh how long does it take to do an hour it's just fascinating it changes it changes there's no real one thing i like sometimes i've come up with a new hour in like like four or five months and sometimes it's taking me a whole year it's just really it's really different every time depending upon how much effort i put into it and also depending upon how lucky i get with subjects like sometimes there's a subject that's just rich almost like it you hit a gold mine and like you know you follow that you hit that mind you're like oh there's so much here and there's so many also branching off little rivers

126:02from this mine this one initial mine so there's there's that you never know you never know it's it's it's hard to tell fascinating i don't mess around with it it moves and changes i do it differently all the time you know i'm i'm a giant fan of leonard skinner and one of the things that i always thought was crazy about skinnard was their riffs when they would do guitar riffs it was the same riff they when when they would do a solo their solos were like orchestrated like they don't get enough credit for bringing dynamic musical artists as well as these southern dudes that were just drinking and singing about whiskey and getting away from women like they're fat ugly dudes and most of their songs are about getting away from women like i gotta go i gotta be free i'm moving on call me the breeze it was so like i could get the out of here before you lock me

126:53down that was a big part of their music but when you see like um like some of their uh like free bird that free bird solo that gusta which is one of the greatest solos in the history of all music well there's some specific reasons for this yeah okay one of the more specific reasons is you had to build it has a beginning a middle a crescendo an end there there are specific names too yes okay um when we moved to more channels in recording when leonard skinner recorded all their early stuff as eight track and then you had to double up early van halen same thing you had to compile your tracks or whatever um you had to really walk in with your solo written okay and play and you would work it until it really had a thing in crescendos yeah okay once there were many tracks guys would come in and just wing it and go okay let's try one okay great that's fine let's do it again

127:52track two and they just make it up as they go okay and then when it's time to mix they'll put a little of track two and a little up track six and start moving those channels in a way that you would never think to play the guitar for example ed started doing that on a couple of tracks all right original solos running with the devil okay these are thematic solos most beetle solos thematic you follow yeah listen to the solo and ain't talking about like these are thematic solos when it started going like this he'd record six different versions of the solos okay and then just start move the channel like here turn this one on turn this one off turn this one on turn this and then he'd have to go learn the solo wow so you'll see his hand move from down here to up here and down there it became a gymnastic effort more elbow and shoulder to get his hand from the far end of the

129:01fretboard all the way up to the pickup and back to duplicate that wavasabi wow approach to making solos so it was a very oblique or unique kind of way of creating a solo it was utilizing the digital future multi-tracking and uh improvising if you follow as opposed to i'm gonna sit down and i'm gonna just i'm gonna create something like a book here's the beginning here's the scene here are the characters here's the conflict instead it's let's just mix that all up together in interesting ways in literary burrows came up with bill burrows many many years ago came up with the idea of writing a book then clipping the pages into pieces putting them all in a hat then pull the pieces out one by one this is piece number one this is piece number two pace number three and that's the way you actually remember a story huh i don't get that okay you remember a wedding yes you don't remember in sequence

130:10okay we had a batch party then i got measured for the tuxedo then i went here you remember batch party then putting the ring then i was throwing up back behind oh then there was a car right it doesn't come in sequential order right okay so it's another way of kind of a crafty way of writing an essay um perhaps a bit difficult to digest but movies are made that way now tarantino starts in the middle right get used to it yeah james bond always starts in the middle of a chase um door flies open yeah well these guys are yeah why is he catching off guard he's running across the top of a train because they started as opposed to here's the field horse walks onto the field i see the cabin what i'm getting from this one in regards to song making in particular the way eddie and you did it was there's no shortcuts you know and the fact that first of all you know he's one of the great masters

131:17right eddie van halen's one of the great masters if you have i mean a hundred of the greatest guitar artists of all time in the history of the human race he's in that group so he certainly made a contribution command shirt with that yeah 100 so you have to have that but then there's also no shortcuts even when you're a great master no there's no shortcuts no you will have to sharpen and sharpen and share you describe sharpening a sort um i visited a foundry where they make swords north of tokyo how was that his work is in the his work goes in the museums that is one of the things that i really want to do yeah the family old school foundry four guys with hammers super sweaty hot like things like visiting the 1600s okay that's not who sharpens and polishes the sword that's my other friend who's 55 years old lives in a suburb of tokyo and that's all he does for a living so they take

132:15the first sword to him and then he sharpens it yes okay and he's the one who makes it get that chrome finish so the man who forges it does not sharpen it correct it's a different specialty has that always been the case yes and a short sword polisher does the sharpening and that's a specialty requires certain stones from different parts of japan you don't use wheels you use the old stones from the mountains etc use water from a wooden bucket and you rub it with your hands he's 55 years old this is all he does for a living museums from around the world is there a video of this oh yeah what's the gentleman's name it's you we'll find it i'm stalling for a sec right um uh he lives in a very little apartment and he's got two gun safes like you would use you know like liberty gun safes yeah and museums from all over the world send him swords oh here he goes okay that become uh rusty

133:18humidity there oh what is that okay this is a pain that's a paste and he's gonna be using that's what they use to laminate by putting paste on that sword parts of it will cool differently anyways uh so that sharpening that sword takes forever that's what makes your patterns oh so they do it so you want that edge a little different of hardness then you want the rest of the sword you clad it and what is that stuff she's pasting on it what was that stuff it's made of ash and it's made of uh uh or or wow and so when it heats up is that when it becomes a part of the sword wow he's gonna laminate that okay this is wild oh they got a scientist look at this with his lab coat he's examining you're going to ruin it get him out of there hit that scientist it's made from a certain kind of steel tom mahogany okay and when you do the little padding like that that's ash

134:23so he's putting little pieces of ash on it on purpose that's a stone that's how he's gonna sharpen that whoa he'll spend hundreds of hours doing that on a sword which is why they cost so much wow and there are many different kinds of of stones that they'll use on different parts of the sword can you dig the point at the top gets a different kind of stone in the middle of the sword etc it's amazing like japanese culture and especially when when you look into the ancient samurai culture like a book of five rings is one of my greatest all-time books i've read it like dozens of times in my life but just to put yourself in the mindset of someone with such a singular vision to to great to become a great samurai he needed to become a great artist a great poet he needed to be good at carpentry he needed to be good at calligraphy he needed to have all these different skills no just

135:21like your kids help out yeah your kids got to take chess lessons or go or go go lessons okay uh they got to learn to paint and draw yeah you got to learn some martial arts yeah multiple languages this is a liberal arts education as seen through the eyes of somebody in the 1500s it's just i'm so fascinated with japanese because so many things came from that one small island i mean in terms of like martial arts contributions i mean it is probably the there's a bunch of contributors brazilian jiu jitsu and chinese kung fu and western boxing but god damn you look at the contributions of japan i mean overwhelming we're just overwhelming between judo and jiu jitsu and so many different martial arts karate there's so many different styles that were perfected in this one small place okay it's an island i agree with you and that lends itself towards drilling down burrowing in really

136:25digging in yeah you follow if somebody is going to make a sword it takes six different people to make one sword the person who makes the handle is not the person who wraps the handle the person who makes the sword is not the one who sharpens it the collar the furniture on the sword the peg that holds it in that gold's collar that's a different person and the person who makes the scabbard for the sword is a different person you want me to keep going no yes i mean what's an age of specialization yeah started for them many many decades ago the idea of uh i'm one man and i'll build everything in the cabin alone in the wilderness great movie comes from 1960s the fella who builds the cabin and uses handmade tools to do it up in the woods right i'll dig the well i'll plant the potatoes i'll build the house i'll create the hearth i'll fish the fish i'll hunt the elk etcetera

137:30and then japanese perhaps you know as well as other neighborhoods said um i'm just gonna specialize in elk hmm yeah and somebody else said uh i'm i just like to cook if that's okay yeah and somebody else said i'm not even gonna cook it i'm gonna eat it raw have you ever around with archery oh a million years ago you know and scouts whatever but uh that seems like something that'll be right up your alley that's a it's a an act of doing it without doing it yes it is a mind cleansing thing too i think it'd be perfect for you this is one i saw you have a uh virtual reality range out there yeah oh wait a minute yeah all right officer i confess it's all coming back i s i saw you on tv uh filling the refrigerator or getting ready to fill the refrigerator with a bow and arrow or something yeah tell me about this no i bow hunt yeah i've been doing that you actually eat

138:40yeah what's your show right oh 100 yeah most of what i eat is elk meat or deer meat yeah that's the if you look at my diet on paper it's like 60 elk when did you begin this uh 2012 was the first hunting trip i went on my good friend steve vanella took me on a trip on his television show meat eater and then i became obsessed well i was i was trying to figure out what i was doing because i had seen a bunch of factory farming videos and i was like okay i'm either going to become a vegetarian or i'm going to become a hunter like this is i follow that'd be a part of this i follow that and so um i i became a hunter and uh first of all the nutrition that you get from wild games you see a difference you feel the difference yeah yeah yeah everybody does it you just feel better it just feels amazing yeah it's so nutrient dense and it's red and rich and so what you're

139:30eating an athlete and you're eating a wild athlete that's running away from wolves and mountain lions i mean it's just a different thing than a cow that's like locked up in a cage or a pig that's locked up in a stall it makes stellar sense and they live a free life it's a wild animal there's no one telling them what to do or where to go and you got to be able to sneak it up in on them on the right wind with the right conditions and and make sure you get a shot off on them fascinating yeah i love it how often do you go out a couple times a year usually and that provides for the freezer all the way uh-huh yeah i have three commercial freezers in the back i'll show you after we're done i have uh three elk or two elk rather that are parsed up and two elk and two axis deer in those freezers yeah each elk is several hundred pounds of meat you know and then i give a lot

140:18of it to my friends a good portion of my friends they always get little packages of elk for me elk sausage and elk roasts and all these different things i'm always giving people recipes showing them how to eat it show them how to cook it it's interesting that's the most modern way is the yeah is the classic i i eat what i call rabbit food it's the croco diet like a crocodile birds foliage one crocodile says the other would you have for breakfast a chicken what was it sitting in uh wheat what would you have fish what'd you catch it in seaweed but uh that seems to serve me yeah the brady diet everybody's talking about the tom brady diet what does he do well we call it eating clean he's not eating any processed flour he's not eating any white bread he's eating oatmeal and clean proteins you know no fried stuff he's in his 40s which is crazy yeah he's he's uh is he a miracle it's

141:25something he's special and when you look at his body he looks like a guy at the beach like a regular guy he doesn't look like a super athlete one of the greatest football players of all time are we seeing something because between him and alex honold and there are a couple of other stellar like whoa are we starting to see a trend because of better nutrition and better training and cross trainings and i think there's so many factors when you deal with football there's so many people are bigger people are stronger yeah well i think with with tom brady i think it's training intelligence dedication obsession and then also nutrition all those all those factors but you have to like really be there's no way to be as good as he is without being incredibly immersed in whatever you're trying to excel at there's no way and with alex honold i mean the guy lives out of his

142:14van because he wants to live out of his van because all he wants to do is just drive around to different mountains and climb them i mean that's his thing for me it was the surfers yeah 1960s exact same lifestyle they needed to be he's a vertical surfer conquistadors of the useless they call themselves some vertical surfer that's it yeah the verticals are for me it was you know we're going to go camp at san onofre yeah you know there's some if you talk to surfers there's something there's a weird corny way to put it but i i haven't talked to all of them obviously but a lot of high level surfers like kelly slater or like my good friend shane dorian they are they're spiritual in some strange way they're at peace in some strange way and i think part of it is because they're constantly on that ocean and i think the ocean is like a battery i think you get energy out of it i think it fits alive

143:08it feels alive i think it stimulates you in a very unique way and with those guys they're riding these immense waves these these creations of nature and gravity and force and mass and water and they're riding them and they're riding a living thing there's organisms in it it's it's filled with salt i mean it charges the body it's got a different frequency than the rest of the world and these guys they they seem different they have a there's a different vibe about them a more content vibe i've always said it's like there's something about beach towns like why is everybody by the beach so chill like what is that you're right something crazy beach music isn't chill yeah jack johnson is but you know what i'm saying classic surf music yeah i guess it sounds like the waves mimic the waves well the way i perhaps dick dale and the deltons were imitating the way waves made you feel

144:08and now they're playing what it feels like to sit around the campfire on the beach rhyme yeah that kind of that's kind of a beach tone yeah a little bit is it runner's high i don't know there's something because we used to walk into the running stores and you know everybody behind the counter goes today yeah and it stays with you that's today that stays with you i ride my bicycle everywhere i'm on two wheels i've successfully replaced the automobile in pasadena really i got to go to the 7-eleven i'm on the bicycle i got i'm still living in pasadena oh yeah i want to go to the you know wherever you get on the bicycle right in the rain doesn't matter really yeah you don't drive a car as in pasadena as infrequently as possible wow and this this is how i cross train as opposed to i'm gonna hire a coach and just stay on that bike what if you go to dinner

145:08somewhere don't laugh okay i'll take it to an extreme when i'm in new york city i have my bike and everything set up over there my bicycle and so forth got a little apartment there um i saw a scene in dr no careful what you let your kids see it could be for life sean connery comes out of the ocean in one of those black neoprene wetsuits right right and he peels it off and he's got a blue tuxedo on underneath without a drop of water on it do i have to finish this yeah no i got my i got my jumpsuits and i got my flight suits and everything like this more than once i've gone to a club or a dinner i give the door guy or the parking guy or the vale i should tell him that's my bike chained up over there in the corner is 20 keep an eye on don't let any pros snap that lock and i just stuff my backpack up under the bike like this and i do this in the rain i do it in the snow i do it every

146:07once somebody says the rain i go yeah like every kid in hawaii there are no snow days in hawaii right it's raining just assume it there are no snow days in the dakotas it's snowing yeah go to school yeah and uh i've done this all over the world i take my bicycles with me wherever i go so when you're in japan you took a bike oh i know all of tokyo bike like i know the roof of my mouth i know i can take you anywhere on those streets i know every alleyway i know all the ways downtown i would routinely make a two-hour trip to my art lessons from where i lived all the way downtown in japan zoo and all the way back like that when you drive around today as opposed to in the old days before cell phones do you notice a difference with people paying attention text moves yeah i know that getting off the line could take a week depending on you can see you know the light changes

147:03and counting on how long it takes is everybody's got to sign off their phone turn off the computer do as or whatever um by and large um what i have noticed is that when people are watching you they no longer have their uh hands in their pockets and pretend to be whistling now you pretend to stare into your cell phone that's true when a fan or somebody that's 1960s and now they look today more often than not i'm the only guy who's actually present in a place i walk into a car you don't carry a cell phone no i walk into a coffee shop or a restaurant or even a club which is quite essentially a social experience and everybody is staring into their cell phones at different band cats and different whatever i'm more often than not i'm the only one who's actually present looking seeing have you ever smelled with those things have you ever oh sure with them and you decided it's not for you i'm

148:13gonna let you in on a little secret please do i'm very digitally illiterate okay i can fly a six million dollar helicopter backwards can you really yes but it forces people to make eye contact you want to talk to me you have to sit just like this yeah okay and you can't text me because that's avoidance you can't uh there's a whole lot of off-ramps i take out of the program what about email i don't you don't email me nope i'm surrounded by individuals and i know exactly what to ask for and what to about so what if they want to get a hold of you they have to go find you at no point in my life like as a with yourself i'm assuming am i more than five feet away from somebody with a cell phone oh i was laughing it's like james bond or some secret agent where even miguel the gardener has a smartphone right everyone that's well like he's going to pull a gun and defend me did you ever

149:17carry them at one point and decide to stop carrying them yes and it became a constant uh as show people we are targets targets for love targets for greed targets for proximity etc and uh it became a constant interruption it became a constancy in an effort to find my way to where shane dorian is i want to be out on that wave man i want calm i want to live in new york city i want to live in the middle of the noise and the clamor and i want to be able to keep my heart rate down i want to be able to keep my waist down you dig yeah and uh i found myself constantly having to answer that phone and having to deal with hey man how are you just what cut to the crash right and uh getting texted is avoidance yeah nine and a half times out of ten it's just somebody didn't really want to talk on the phone you hear this of well i texted you i'd go you're the only plan i'm landing today yeah

150:31but at any given time the guy driving the car the assistant even the gardener has a smartphone and everybody knows you can find me yeah and you keep it that way oh yeah so what what year was it where you decided to do this mm-hmm how long ago about four years ago four years ago up until then you were carrying the phone doing the whole deal and you went i don't want this anymore it was constant phone ringing constant having to check in constant of uh i called you how come you didn't call me back right right right became a leash yeah it also indicates you know as you start to call over and over and over again it's it's uh like a tracer you follow um you have stalkers sure got a good one no not right now i got stalkers do you i got a stalker who makes prank calls oh i can tell you what time get to work i can tell you what time he goes home i can tell you if he went to church and

151:33then brunch and what time he got home from that i can tell you if you had something to drink the night before and went home and slept it off the next day it's the nature of communications right remember tracer bullets work both ways boy yeah yeah you're gonna indicate everywhere you are and everything you do and your entire thing of your life is very orwellian especially with social media right yeah and probably the last thing i want you to know about me is how boring i am i'm not kidding well there's also there's a thing of giving into this non-human device and and integrating it with your life you we and where people just they never leave it alone they're constantly on it they're checking it with you're not even getting anything out of it you're just checking it for nothing you're just checking your email checking your photos checking your instagram there's nothing

152:26coming nothing positive coming out of it it's just like this weird distraction from life you used to use the refrigerator for that yes right it's almost the same you're so right it's like a digital version of opening in the refrigerator when you know nothing's in there crazy that's so true it's so true it's like a boredom exercise yeah it's a habit you just gotta reach for it and reach for it do you have one just in case you have to use it i'm giving away all my secrets i am constantly in the grid okay okay um one of my closest colleagues that i work with two three nights a week colin smith has written 17 books on how to run adobe photoshop okay we've been working on an art project together for quite some time we'll debut that at another time okay um i love the internet i love what the digi future has brought to us my only real regret in life is that i didn't have this growing up

153:30go look it up i should have that tattooed yeah and signed by my parents yeah it's a great time for finding things out if you need information if you want to learn the encyclopedia of britannica was what we had go look at it up and uh canterbury records in case you wanted some music which was an hour's bike ride each way okay and i can keep going and now you can get music instantly my god was just it's for somebody like me when i was flavor of the week the first time you know i did all the rock star stuff and one of the first things that i wanted to do because i'd read that elton john did this is you would get him to close the store uh at the record store yeah and you shop around by yourself yeah and no well no you gotta have a security guy of course who brings a pillow case ah you put the records on a pillow and you would any with impunity you pick your records and judge you

154:32don't even read the liners if you have a good cover you're in the cage what is this asian something yeah i remember that i used to buy records based on how cool the cover looked oh routinely give it a chance routinely yeah especially double album covers and i would routinely i would shop by weight okay i would do that at bookstores too as much as we could carry coming out of the bookstores because for example um i like many different kinds of music one of my favorites is danceable electronica okay r b disco anything that has i call it floor if it has anything to do with dancing it's floor and there were no floor stations here in the in california in the 70s you wanted to hear anything that's you know you had kj lh maybe you know some small am kind of a station but you went to new york you had let me put the headphones on i could do the voice this is paco wktu shadow traffic

155:47this time baby we're missing djs right sorry we're missing djs that's something that's missing from our culture with the best bet for the boss b to the top of the pop smash gold i'm diamond dave no time to waste making the taste baby shut up time to play the record baby yeah wolf man jack those guys are gone that that's like a missing segment of our culture i was in pasadena listening for the first fm radio underground station which was kppc it was metromedia i believe it was channel 5. tell me if this gets too boring um here's the history of it is during the cold war right around 1965 66 it became a legal imperative that all radio stations regular ones had to operate an fm band station fm had been around since the 1930s uncle manny remembered it okay but it never got used it was am radio kfwb channel 98 right right it was like the mighty 1090 you know okay

157:00that kind of screaming dj kind of thing why because in case there's a national emergency you were not allowed to take your normal programming though from kfwb and put it on your sister station on fm had to be different programming okay you can't just dominate fm because you got the advertisers you're channel five you've got a lot of advertisers you got a real shy car painter you have rinso you've got uh chase and sanborn coffee you're gonna squeeze me right right so you're not allowed to have the same programming and channel five they operate uh kppc which is uh 106.7 today it's k rock or whatever and it's like 1.06 right in there and uh uh they brought in literally all these fm stations you know the the bosses you know all said well uh my nephew he loves that rock stuff you know he's got a lot of records maybe he'll be a dj kind of thing or who who would be a dj

158:02for this kind of stuff i don't know who's a non-screamer the jazz guys okay they brought in big daddy tom donahue and his wife rachel and they came in and they started broadcasting on kppc and tom was a jazz dj and he would talk just kind of like this and he'd uh okay we got a new quicksilver here can't wait till it comes out in stereo take a listen now to first side see in a few yeah and we would practice that there's an art to that oh yeah there's an art to preparing you for a new song yeah okay got a brand new one here yeah and he used the velvet hand like djs you know like jazz yeah jazz guys back then a lot of them were uh doing things that cause you to slow down you know what i mean and we started doing those things too get a little little gauge here a little strength of patience joe knows what it'll be i do right after and then it would set you up for the

159:31music you'd actually enjoy the music a little bit more because of that guy oh yeah yeah would get into it enhanced it okay here's a little something you were kind of co-conspiring that if streaming services were smart they would bring that back they'd find someone you know because like streaming services are the new radio right i mean that's where a lot of people get their music agreed are you talking about like pandora yeah yeah but that's sort of what apple's pitch was they have a whole radio section on apple music and they have live dj's yeah they have shows and well the dj's influencers are running them but for the most part yeah but like as a sports niche what is it in the natural okay great movie probably yeah for duval duval's a writer yeah writer and they get into a little bit of an argument somebody says you don't play baseball he says yeah but on a good day i can make it look a

160:24little bit more interesting yeah get a little more exciting yeah to help you see what you to help you understand what you're paraphrasing sure that's what i do with uh color commentary yes exactly and that's an art form that implicates everything drama pathos hilarity all in one paragraph i've watched you go from zero yeah it's like flipping a channel seamlessly i grew up with the great scully kosil so tell me so tell me ollie yeah yeah so cash is pleasing it's all the cash okay and we would imitate that voice you know trying to get that kind of an eloquence out yeah you know um but you have djs they're not really djs they are representatives of a lifestyle for example i'm going into dj voice because i got the headphones this is why i don't wear the headphones because you come too aware yeah it's sun goes down i haven't been to sleep since the late 80s but um

161:40what was i talking about i started riffing there djs now djs now aren't really djs when you listen for example is sirius xm you have for example uh the country artist sure okay and it's no shoes radio and you know it's um he's not a humorist okay he's not even an interlocutor where he and and behold and so it came to pass like in greek tragedy and so it came to pass that the sun came and the war was one and he's not that it's kenny chesney going and i say it with respect you know hi this is kenny and i was just walking down here and paying them out city and my phone went dead no i walked inside and i asked these good fellas right here at the joe rogan barbecue to fire it up if i could just sort of charge it up and they said hell yeah so i just want to tell you i'll come down and wrote barbecue and see you can always find us right here on no cheese radio

162:41oh so there's something it's not really it's not the same and you follow it's not announcing he's kind of being right um tom petty he was a co-conspirator you know like hey man i'm down here in the basement man i'm listening to some wreck come on down we'll just fire up the bong and uh if i check this out this is tasty this is a it's an import i had friends like that yeah you did they could choose the music too that was the other thing about djs they would choose the music i don't know what taste makers oh well the fm radio did yeah yeah yes you bet and yeah that makes a big difference i did not think about it i was listening to wbcn in boston it was uh like 1980s and uh they wanted to play michael jackson and the guy said listen i know this isn't rock because wbcn was the rock of boston sure but they're like look i know this isn't rock but damn this is good music and

163:41they played billie jean i remember thinking wow what a bold choice well it's a bold choice in a certain sense okay and the certain sense is that after a while fm radio became very codified you know just like the horse races somewhere in the mid 70s late 70s it became a playlist and the dj's no longer picked their own records program directors picked the records okay and it became very specific target demo we want to home in and whatever now keep in mind when howard stern left regular radio terrestrial radio for the stratosphere i got his job in new york city oh that's right i was broadcasting in seven different cities i forgot you did that okay dallas new york philly i think i was in et cetera et cetera and it turns out i think what they wanted was a version of howard stern okay great it'll be a third class howard stern or a first class david lee my approach to it is very different

164:50than his would be we're two very different people right um he's talk he's a personality it's all about interaction i see myself as show people i'm music first okay so the first thing i'm going to pick when we throw a barbecue is not the food or the guest list but what's the music right well white people listen to bob marley when we're on vacation and when we celebrate things we listen to cool in the game right right and i would play those and the ratings were going up and they were pissing off management really well they said we feel that leonard skinner and nickelback are more appropriate for your audience so the ratings were going up and they were upset yes and because you couldn't reign me in okay now keep in mind i hired cool in the gang to open for van halen tour before last you have never seen so many people dancing in one place because that's the sound of every wedding bar

165:54mitzvah prom bachelor party cause this is ladies night right and the feeling oh oh what did i and you gotta sing that you look at each other as you're driving going so what did they say to you before you took the job like what was the the what was the conversation when you agreed to do it what did you think was going to happen as opposed to what did happen well what you say and what is real yes that's the problem right now we've discussed doing commercials for example and i don't feel comfortable doing commercials unless it's something i actually use i don't like sunglasses or cigarettes beyond that you know uh vermont care bear kind of a thing i don't know right so it was uncomfortable from the beginning i got fired for playing too much ethnic music and uh for late night humor too early in the morning but that was howard stern's whole deal was late-night humor no it's

166:53not it's a different kind of humor what was your deal as opposed to his well whenever we brought on porn stars i actually knew him i just there were no that i would have already gone through that getting to know you face right seasons earlier kind of did they expect you to do all talk or did they want you to play music as well just my sense of humor is different it's unique as as is his and as is yours okay you can't we have a league of imitations in our end of the business in broadcasting okay but um there's no snare drum in hi-hat nora is there for howard you follow um he's very he's again i start with the music i start with the ambiance and if humor arises or personalities arise or we have guests great if we don't that's fine too um and i think they expected other what i showed up with was it also ranged uh it wasn't always funny um okay do you think that it was just maybe something

168:06you would have excelled at if they'd had different expectations like instead of following howard stern they just did that david lee russia oh you better yeah do you think you'd still be doing it uh yes really yeah wow yeah their expectations was the funny the funny interview the guests have pop culture funny guests right in the subject matter just as we've touched on subjects here that are hilarious and subjects that are pretty dense yeah as i call it you're just going to detonate halfway down the turnpike oh that's what he meant that's not stuff that's going to go away real quick do you thought about doing that now like what if apple came to you or one of these streaming services came to you and wanted to do something like that they always arrive with expectations and the expectations uh just as we discussed three phases of ann and nicole smith and

168:58elvis yeah which dave are you referring to right right well i just think just with someone like you i mean i'm not a program director but if i was i would say just let him be him just figure it out just let it give it time to grow that's what people don't do they meddle they meddle they are like you're gonna do i look from what i know of you you're gonna do your best at everything everything you do you're gonna do your best if i was gonna hire you that's what i would say everybody get the away from him he's gonna do his best now let him hire who he wants to hire and do what he wants to do and put what he wants to put on and let him figure it out but you hired david lee roth he didn't hire mike fitzgerald and and and ken buchanan whoever the the other people are that work in the office that also want the jizz in the soup no you hired david lee roth let david lee roth be david lee

169:49roth and let it find his legs that's a difficult entity because it comes with a lot of history yeah you know and then the people will start folks will start conducting well you got to play this you got to play and it has a very specific expectation usually however in this age there's a lot a lot of freedoms there's a lot of uh you know what you're discussing is something that i think about occasionally so it seems like something you'd be open to yeah get you a job just from this particular interview i would be very open to it um i uh you know they've approached me before to talk about it um my interest in music is diverse but it's energized switched on do you know henry rollins of course you know he does his own radio show and he picks his own playlist it's like one of the last few things that a person like him is able to do like that and he does it once he once a week right does it

170:52he's going one night a week he does and he loves it i mean something else that people have approached me for is uh writing a column some of the good magazines have approached me big ones about becoming a writer that interesting to you you bet yeah it seems like it would be you bet it's it's a different uh sound when right right you know it's uh it's in a bit of a different voice it's um my sense of humor comes out a little bit more in terms of darkness okay i remember reading an article in new york magazines as far back as 1968 i don't remember the ele the fellow was the theater critic for new york magazine and the title was in defense of booing huh interesting why do we always have to tolerate clapping especially for shitty performances right there's the clapper who claps because they're part of the gang and there's the clapper who yells bravo so that they exist i am heard

171:54and he talks about how you know he gets thrown out of an opera for booing and everybody knew a theater critic for 36 years at new york magazine wow you know in italy they permit booing and i support that america stands a lot well that kind of sneaks in not just as a as a form of negative targeting okay but as a form of elevating you dig yeah you don't go to the golf swing guy put on all the electrodes they do the slow motion thing so you can go you're great joe no he wants to go see your wrist right right see what you're doing with the elbow you're making a mistake exactly yeah he's there to identify the flaw right if there's no flaws there's no booing you know a lot of folks are gonna go jesus man you concentrate on the negative i i love booing as much as going yay in fact i can think of certain heavy metal records that we could discuss on the airplane from la to new york

172:59that's five hour flight and i could discuss the record endlessly as long as we're going boop if we're discussing what's wrong with it you can go for five hours what's great about it how long are you gonna sustain that 20 minutes ah it's really smart and smart the criticism you know identifying the flaw is not negative right it's just reality over here yeah yeah it's sort of a good example is ed woods monster movies you see the string you see the smoke you see the flying saucer it looks fake that's a version you feel smugly superior you always say ah look at that thing that's you know that's a form of buoy yeah you know now today if people weren't doing that you wouldn't have black panther you wouldn't have spider-man you wouldn't have avengers in all the amazing special effects and cgi and everything because there's high expectations oh there's somebody going i see the string right

174:06right right yeah joe yeah all right let me invent computers and i'll get back to you david lee roth we just did three hours can you believe that time flies when you don't know what you're doing joe you know what you're doing you sly son of a without doing nothing means a little bit did we really nail three hours we really did tell people one more time about your product line and where what website it is inc the original and please say it that way ink the original pink the original not theatrical enough pink the original oh she's pretty there you go get a pretty girl we make it for everybody who's got ink anybody who's got tattoos and stuff virtually everything that you're going to use in the boudoir the bathroom anything you put in the locker but especially that brightener man that stuff's the that that will read boom no more rubbing it with your finger

175:00etc and we got a whole product line coming in laugh to win is the name i'm gonna order today i'm gonna order a bunch of you don't have to order it we'll have it delivered i'm gonna order just because i love you god bless david lee roth you're a bad thank you for being here joe that's a very special belt to wear thank you sir david lee rock ladies and gentlemen good night hey